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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we get

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Speaker 1: to the heart of the issues that matter to you. Today,

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Speaker 1: we've got Senator Dave McCormick from the great State of Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about the ongoing government shutdown fight,

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Speaker 1: How does it end? Why are Democrats digging in their heels.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about that. Also, President Trump's got big momentum

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Speaker 1: after getting a Moss to release the Israeli hostages and

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Speaker 1: pushing for peace in the Middle East. What does this

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Speaker 1: mean for Europe? Will he be able to get peace

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Speaker 1: between Russia and Ukraine as well? Also a lot of

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Speaker 1: people don't know this, but do you know that school

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Speaker 1: choice is in the big beautiful bill? What does that

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Speaker 1: mean for you? What does it mean for your kids?

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask Senator McCormick about that. Also, his governor,

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Speaker 1: Governor Josh Shapiro, a man just pled guilty for ourson

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Speaker 1: for trying to burn down the governor's house. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: about the political violence in this country.

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Speaker 2: Will it stop?

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Speaker 1: Stay tuned for my interview with Senator Dave McCormick. Senator McCormick,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you taking time to come on show. How

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Speaker 1: do you when you were running for Senate. So congratulations

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Speaker 1: on a winning So glad to have you in the Senate.

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Speaker 1: A great thank thank you so much for coming on.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you. That was a it was a wild ride,

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Speaker 2: but we ended in the right place.

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Speaker 1: Are you enjoying it so far?

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Speaker 2: I really am. You know, I feel like to be

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Speaker 2: to be the Senator from Pennsylvania at any time is

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Speaker 2: you know, a real privilege. But at this moment it's

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Speaker 2: so consequential. There's so much going on and everything from

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Speaker 2: you know, peace break down the Middle East to this

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Speaker 2: you know, landmark legislation that we put in place with

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Speaker 2: the big beautiful bill. And I'm the fifty fourth elected

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Speaker 2: Senator in the history of Pennsylvania and the ninth senator

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Speaker 2: who's ad in the history of America that's a graduate

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Speaker 2: of West Point. So I really feel like it's an

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Speaker 2: honor to be here. I really do.

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Speaker 1: You know, you're a business guy, a military guy, so

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Speaker 1: you know, you're used to getting things done. That doesn't

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Speaker 1: always has in Congress no, So I imagine you know

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Speaker 1: that part's a little bit frustrating. You know, right now

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Speaker 1: the government's been shut down. You know, not quite the

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Speaker 1: longest shutdown we've had so far, but potentially it could

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Speaker 1: head that direction. How do you think this thing ends? Like,

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Speaker 1: how does this shutdown fight end?

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Speaker 2: Well? To start with, I mean, this is I think

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Speaker 2: good reason and good evidence. Why you know, the majority

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Speaker 2: of Americans don't like Washington and don't like the people

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Speaker 2: that serve in Washington. Because here you have this, what

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Speaker 2: I think is clearly political gimmickstry to try to use

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Speaker 2: opening the government is leverage as a way to hold

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Speaker 2: the Republicans hostage and blackmail to get things that the

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Speaker 2: Democrats want. So it's the Schumer shutdown, and it's truly

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Speaker 2: going out of the normal course. Continuing resolution, a clean resolution,

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Speaker 2: which is what we put forward, is a way to

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Speaker 2: keep funding the government while we're going through the pro

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Speaker 2: process of appropriations. It happened fourteen times under Biden, and

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Speaker 2: the Democrats are now trying to use it as a

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Speaker 2: way to negotiate the extension of the healthcare subsidies that

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Speaker 2: were put in place during COVID. So I think it's

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Speaker 2: a it's bad policy. I think it's it's bad politics.

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Speaker 2: I'm really disgusted by the whole thing, and I don't

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Speaker 2: know how it ends. I think ultimately the Democrats and

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Speaker 2: Chuck Schumer, I think this is the Schumer shutdown. Chuck

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Speaker 2: Schumer is in a call to sack the left wing

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Speaker 2: of his party is insisting that he fight back against

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Speaker 2: President Trump. So this is an effort to poke President

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Speaker 2: going to be blackmailed into making some sort of negotiation

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Speaker 2: that we don't think makes sense. And so I think ultimately,

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Speaker 2: when the pressure grows when young men and women in

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Speaker 2: the armed services and in the boarder Patrol, in the

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Speaker 2: FAA and TSA aren't getting paid, I think that's the

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Speaker 2: fever will break. But it's really a bad idea. You know,

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Speaker 2: my fellow Republican, or my fellow a Pennsylvania Senator John

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Speaker 2: Fetterman has voted to open the government, and I of

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Speaker 2: course have voted nine times to open the government, and

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Speaker 2: he says that he would never vote to close the government.

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Speaker 2: He thinks it's a bad leadership, bad policy, regardless of

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Speaker 2: If roles were reversed and there were Democrats leading the

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Speaker 2: I would not vote to shut the government down. I

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Speaker 2: think it's it's really a disgrace.

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Speaker 1: Did you know Fetterman before he ran for Senate, Because

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to lie. During his election, I thought

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Speaker 1: he was like super progressive, like very liberal. So I've

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Speaker 2: You know, I did not I know him. He campaigned

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Speaker 2: against me, so we we've had a bad, sort of

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Speaker 2: a rough start. Yeah. Yeah, but I went to see

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Speaker 2: him after I had won, and you know, we were

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Speaker 2: And we don't agree on a lot of things, but

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Speaker 2: what we agree on we work together. I'm he's very trustworthy.

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Speaker 2: We have a great relationship, and I'd say we're friends.

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Speaker 2: And you know, the thing I admire about him is

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Speaker 2: he's authentic, but he's also common sense and he just

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Speaker 2: you know, he told me in the first day I

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Speaker 2: sat down with him, I'm never going to vote to

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Speaker 2: shut down the government. You know, fent and all is

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Speaker 2: a huge problem in Pennsylvania, so we co sponsored legislation

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Speaker 2: of ways to work together. And I think it's because

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Speaker 2: that's who he is, but I think it's also because Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 2: You know, the people expect that I'm a Republican, he's

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Speaker 2: a Democrat. But the people expect us to work together

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Speaker 2: to get things done on their behalf. And I feel

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Speaker 2: like we're off to a great start in doing that.

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Speaker 1: Do you think there's beefed up subsidies extended or what

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Speaker 1: do you thinks can it?

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Speaker 2: Well? I think the starting point is you have to

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Speaker 2: say Obamacare, which was fifteen years ago, was designed to

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Speaker 2: lower prices, improve quality, and increase access. It has failed

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Speaker 2: on all counts. It's been you know, we've seen huge

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Speaker 2: growth and healthcare costs. And what happened during COVID, of course,

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Speaker 2: is the Obamacare subsidies were increased fairly dramatically, and you

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Speaker 2: now have a situation where there's people that make five

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Speaker 2: still getting additional subsidies. So something that was put in

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Speaker 2: place during COVID was not meant to be extended into perpetuity.

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Speaker 2: So you know, that's what that's where Republicans are coming from,

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Speaker 2: We can look at it with a gun to our

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Speaker 2: head and be blackmailed with the government shutdown. I think

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Speaker 2: there'll be, you know, varying views among Republicans. My view

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Speaker 2: We got to make sure healthcare is available to those

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Speaker 2: among us that have the most vulnerability, but we also

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Speaker 2: The President's trying to do that with pharmaceutical cost and

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Speaker 2: a bunch of other things. And so we'll look at

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Speaker 2: it closely, but it's it's going to be a tough issue.

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Speaker 2: And we've got to stop throwing money at a very

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Speaker 2: failed program in Obamacare.

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Speaker 1: Got to take a quick break. If you like what

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Speaker 1: you're hearing, please you're on social media or maybe send

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Speaker 1: it to a friend or a family member. You look

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Speaker 1: at President Trump. You've served in Iraq, you've served in

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Speaker 1: the Middle East. You know, President Trump coming off of

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Speaker 1: getting those really hostages released, taking steps towards peace in

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Speaker 1: does that give him the party? And then also what

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Speaker 2: I think it gives him enormous momentum. I think it's

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Speaker 2: incredible what's happening. Only Donald Trump, I think could have

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Speaker 2: more profound than that. It's deep seated support for Israel

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Speaker 2: And it's it's the candor and the fair mindedness, all

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Speaker 2: of those things, and the and the steadfastness and saying

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Speaker 2: to this moment, building on on Abraham Accords one from

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Speaker 2: his first administration. So this is an incredible moment of opportunity.

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Speaker 2: I think it's historic. In our lifetimes, there's never been

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Speaker 2: This is really about opportunity for everybody, including the innocent

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Speaker 2: what I'm hoping we'll see.

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Speaker 1: You know, I know school choice is important to you,

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Speaker 1: and you engaged in a press conference recently. I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of people don't understand that school choice was

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Speaker 1: in the Big Beautiful Bill. There's this one hundred percent

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Speaker 1: scholarship fund. Why don't Why don't you think that's sort

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's it's such a it's such a

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Speaker 2: if you think about what the American dreams all about,

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Speaker 2: the American dream is creating opportunity, equality of opportunity for everybody.

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Speaker 2: And right now, many of our kids are are stranded.

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Speaker 2: They're hostage to a school system, often public schools and

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Speaker 2: urban areas or some rural areas where they're just disadvantage

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Speaker 2: from day one because of a very poor education. We're

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Speaker 2: losing the battle globally on math and science and engineering

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Speaker 2: fix the system. And the only way to fix it

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Speaker 2: is to create competition and opportunity for for every student

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Speaker 2: to choose a school, it's best for them. For parents

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Speaker 2: to choose a school, it's best for them in terms

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Speaker 2: There is school choice in our country, it's just for

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Speaker 2: rich people. Rich people can send their kids wherever they want.

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Speaker 2: So the reason this legislation was so important it allows

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Speaker 2: a tax exemption for donors that are donating to a

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Speaker 2: school choice, whether it's tutors or actual tuition programs. We

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Speaker 2: think it's going to generate billions and billions of dollars

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Speaker 2: that people will philanthropically give to school choice programs, and

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Speaker 2: it will not take a single dollar away from existing schools,

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Speaker 2: existing programs. So this is all additive to create school

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Speaker 2: choice Now what it requires is for the democratic governors

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Speaker 2: and Democrats. It is all the Republican governs are going

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Speaker 2: to opt into this. It requires the democratic governors to

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Speaker 2: opt in. And this will be a real test. What

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Speaker 2: are you for? Are you for an educational opportunity for everybody?

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Speaker 2: Are you? Are you four giving disadvantaged children the opportunity

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Speaker 2: to be held accountable and held to the talking points

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Speaker 2: of the teachers' unions? And this is the moment we're in,

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Speaker 2: and I think I think it's a real test and

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Speaker 2: on this. None of this would have been possible without COVID,

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Speaker 2: I don't think. Because during COVID, what happened when kids

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Speaker 2: were getting schooled from home, their parents were looking over

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Speaker 2: the education system was, how hijacked it had been by

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Speaker 2: an ideological lefty progressive agenda in many cases. And now

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Speaker 2: with this legislation, we have a chance to really provide

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Speaker 1: And Senator, before we go, you're governor of Pennsylvania, the

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Speaker 1: governor of Pennsylvania. A man recently pleaded guilty to assented

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Speaker 1: murder aggravated arson, as well twenty two counts of arson,

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Speaker 1: We're seeing a lot of this, right, you know, Charlie

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Speaker 1: Kirk murdered the attack on ice in Dallas. This with

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Speaker 1: your governor, So a lot of political violence, like where

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Speaker 1: is this heading?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's it's entirely unacceptable. Political violence of any kind

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Speaker 2: is something that we need to have public officials like

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Speaker 2: I'm I was on the stage a minute before Trump,

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Speaker 2: when the arsonists came in. I was. I was friendly

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Speaker 2: it's getting worse. It's something that we have to stand

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Speaker 2: up against. The bypart artisanship that I'm demonstrating with Center

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Speaker 2: Fetterman as an example, you can disagree with the other

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Speaker 2: I think this dehumanizing language, particularly on the left, to

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Speaker 2: because that dehumanization is an imitation to go to the

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Speaker 2: next step. We got to stop it. We've got to

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Speaker 2: stand strongly against it. And you know, I can't solve

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Speaker 2: that with the wave of a hand. But what I

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Speaker 2: can do and I try to do, is be a

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Speaker 2: great example of the kind of mutual respect we need

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Speaker 2: to have if we have very very different views on

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Speaker 2: the direction to take our great country.

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Speaker 1: Center day, McCormick, appreciate you for making the time, sir,

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thanks for having me