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Speaker 1: Oh good time. Steve task done. Tote tote toto totot time.

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Speaker 1: June nineteenth. Welcome everybody, John Murphy, Steve Dansker, Orchard Park,

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Speaker 1: New York, New Airfield, the home of the Buffalo Bills.

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Speaker 1: And they're almost uh well, they're taking their time, but

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Speaker 1: about that, uh it' said yeah, don't hang out. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I said, don't. You can't walk around on the on

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Speaker 1: the stuff and it has to cure for like forty

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Speaker 1: eight hours. They put this little pad thing they put

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Speaker 1: told us all don't go down and walk on this

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Speaker 1: to be right. And read all this. Yeah, I thought

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Speaker 1: you just skipped through all your email. Well I do yours,

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Speaker 1: but no, it must be cured. Because now there's a

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Speaker 1: The curator, so they got it's taken shape. Though now

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Speaker 1: that much attention to your email. I can't even remember

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Speaker 1: when I read that. Now I think I got the

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Speaker 1: email was like one of those I count on Thursday

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Speaker 1: welcome to the show. John Murphy was Steve Tasker on

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Speaker 1: this Wednesday afternoon. We got three hours of quality radio

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Speaker 1: programming for you here from now untill three pm. A

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Speaker 1: couple of I would qualify, well, they're a little bit

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Speaker 1: of news today and then a little bit of discussion today.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk at one o'clock with make Sure he

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Speaker 1: a divisional alignment in the NFL. What works, what doesn't work,

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Speaker 1: We've talked about a joint practice is coming up with

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Speaker 1: August to the Panthers training camp Wofford College, Spartanburg, South Carolina,

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Speaker 1: for joint practices on Tuesday, August thirteenth and Wednesday, August fourteenth.

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Speaker 1: On Thursday, the fifteenth day, will make to move up

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Speaker 1: So here's the deal. They'll host preseason game on one

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Speaker 1: then on Monday the twelfth, make their way down to

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Speaker 1: Carolina at Wofford College. You ever been to Wofford College, Steve,

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Speaker 1: I have not, neither. I know people who have attended

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about the guy who's been there. Joe

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Speaker 1: Person covers the Panthers for the Athletic dot Com. He's

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Speaker 1: going to join us today at two o'clock to talk

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Speaker 1: At Wolford's question here, where are we staying? Is this

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Speaker 1: and would make it more traditional and heat those rivalries up.

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Speaker 1: Now obviously, when you relign, it does away with rivalries,

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Speaker 1: you know. I mean there's some rivalries that just wouldn't

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Speaker 1: be anymore Bills Dolphins for instance. Yeah, it's and I

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Speaker 1: think rivalries are cyclical. A rivalry is two good teams

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Speaker 1: with something on the line to play for, and it

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Speaker 1: happens a lot. You know. That's a rivalry, um something

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Speaker 1: more than bragging. Right, It's hard to have a rivalry

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Speaker 1: when you're the Seattle Seahawks. It's hard to have a

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Speaker 1: rivalry with the Miami Dolphins, who you play once every

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Speaker 1: three years, you know, and it's a five thousand mile trip.

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Speaker 1: You know, your fans don't show up over there, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean. Yeah, and I got a couple.

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Speaker 1: I'm just looking travel costs, you said, is a consideration,

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Speaker 1: all right, I get that. But we got teams traveling

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Speaker 1: to joint two practices. They're sending one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: people to South Carolina. So who's worried about travel costs?

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Speaker 1: I get you nobody. And look, I've often said this,

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Speaker 1: I'm not in favor of realignment for the most part.

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Speaker 1: But if the Bills were to do it, if they

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Speaker 1: wanted to do it, if the league wanted them to

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Speaker 1: do it. I think it'd be beneficial to get into

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Speaker 1: division with Pittsburgh, Cleveland, and Cincinnati and flip with Baltimart.

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Speaker 1: That's all I need to see. Baltimart can go to

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Speaker 1: the AFC East, the Bills go to the AFC North,

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Speaker 1: and among other reasons, and you hit on most of them.

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Speaker 1: It would almost be a safeguard against when you got

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Speaker 1: a bad team and maybe your fans aren't coming out

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Pittsburgh Steelers fans come in and

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Speaker 1: snap up your tickets, or Cleveland Browns fans and you know,

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Speaker 1: you're kind of you're cushing the blow of maybe not

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Speaker 1: having the type of tickets Hills that. There's a ton

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Speaker 1: of ways to slice it. It could be. It could

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Speaker 1: be a you could have a Great Lakes Division with Detroit, Buffalo, Cleveland,

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Speaker 1: and Chicago. All those teams are sitting on the Great Lakes.

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Speaker 1: You know green Bay is in that group, but it'd

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Speaker 1: be green Bay, Minnesota, Kansas City, Denver or something like that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you could you could. One problem with that

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Speaker 1: is this, and I don't know if it's a problem

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Speaker 1: or not, but you'd have regional football. You know, you'd

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Speaker 1: have you know, New England, the Jets, the Giants and

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Speaker 1: Philly in one division, and they would never have to

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Speaker 1: go anywhere, right, and they'd all be in the Northeast.

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Speaker 1: The weather would be a huge factor in that division. Well,

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Speaker 1: it wouldn't be a factor in the division. If you

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Speaker 1: got Tampa Bay, Jacksonville, Miami and New Orleans or Carolina

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Speaker 1: in a division, they'd have great weather all the time.

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Speaker 1: So when you get into the playoffs, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: the weather is the deciding factor. You know, if you

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Speaker 1: have to go to the Northeast, you know, or if

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Speaker 1: you have to go to the South, whatever these teams,

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Speaker 1: the weather would become the thing that decides the game.

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Speaker 1: And I think the who knows and I forgot about this,

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Speaker 1: we were talking about this. I think I've been a

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Speaker 1: part of in my career. And you know, eighty five

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Speaker 1: is when I came into the league. I think they've

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Speaker 1: realigned twice since that time. Not major realignments though, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think one of them was two of them, but

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Speaker 1: they both were the first time I got in the league,

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Speaker 1: it was Houston Oilers with the Cleveland and Cincinnati and Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: Well there were three divisions, yeah, and there were only

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Speaker 1: three divisions, right, and they all had they had five

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Speaker 1: in them, or one had two had four and two

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Speaker 1: had five and one had four something like that. Right,

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Speaker 1: they were twenty eight teams. And then they realigned and

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Speaker 1: I can't remember how it went from there, but it

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Speaker 1: was still Buffalo Indianapolis, Miami Jets, the Jets in New England.

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Speaker 1: And then then they expanded an expansion brought in a

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Speaker 1: whole nother round of realignment, and Seattle has been AFC, NFC,

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Speaker 1: AFC again and back to NFC. They've they've switched conferences,

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Speaker 1: right twice. I guess that's more. I don't see a

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Speaker 1: need to do all this, and you've got rivalries de

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Speaker 1: velope again they switched, and it's a Buffalo thing that

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Speaker 1: I would love to see, would be the Bills flip

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Speaker 1: with Baltimore. The Bills go to the AFC North, And

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Speaker 1: that's the only one I really care about. I don't

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Speaker 1: care about. You know, geography doesn't matter, That's what I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to say, right, Geography doesn't matter. Cute names for divisions?

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Speaker 1: Who cares? Right? You know you have rivalries. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the Bears want to play the Packers twice a year, Right,

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Speaker 1: you think that's their big rival The Lions want to

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Speaker 1: play the Bears twice a year. Some teams don't have that.

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Speaker 1: You could argue the Bills don't have a real strong

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Speaker 1: rivalry with anyone. Right, people feel animosity towards the Patriots,

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Speaker 1: but the Dolphins rivalry is for the most part washed up.

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Speaker 1: I don't like the Jets, but I wouldn't tell you

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Speaker 1: that's one of the great NFL rivalries, you know. I

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Speaker 1: know the Saints and Atlanta have a pretty hot, strong

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Speaker 1: rivalry going on. They don't want to lose that. I

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Speaker 1: just don't know if I don't know if there's any

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Speaker 1: kind of crying need for realignment or even a nothing's

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Speaker 1: out of whack. I guess what I'm trying to say,

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Speaker 1: What are you trying to fix? Yeah, that's the thing,

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Speaker 1: and that's the thing. Would it mean? Yeah, you're right,

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Speaker 1: it would be, and I think it would be a difference.

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Speaker 1: It adds some interest for a minute at least, right

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Speaker 1: for the first couple of years, think, Okay, now we

522
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Speaker 1: gotta make this. You kind of feel out the road trips,

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Speaker 1: see which ones you liked and all that, but also

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Speaker 1: also would be interesting to see you know, because you

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Speaker 1: still got out of conference games, out of division games,

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Speaker 1: You're still gonna be traveling around. But I think it's

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Speaker 1: not so much about fixing anything for me, because I'm

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Speaker 1: like you, I'm with you, I'm fine with it. What

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Speaker 1: would be interesting, what would be something that would actually

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Speaker 1: make it really neat to be a part of And

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Speaker 1: I don't know that there is anything because you play

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Speaker 1: these teams all the time anyway, and I don't know

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Speaker 1: that it might be kind of cool to switch up

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Speaker 1: and listen, Historically, who doesn't want to be in a

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Speaker 1: division with the Bears and the Detroit Lions. Neither one

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Speaker 1: of those organizations. They have one good year and then

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Speaker 1: they drop off the map and that's it. The Detroit

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Speaker 1: Lions haven't been able to get together for years. The Bears,

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Speaker 1: you look at their record, they'll they'll win, they'll have

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Speaker 1: an up year, and then they'll be out of it

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Speaker 1: for four, and then they'll have one up year and

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Speaker 1: they'll be out of it for four or five. They

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Speaker 1: just they haven't been able to do it. They've been

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Speaker 1: like the Cleveland Browns were over the last fifteen sixteen years,

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Speaker 1: trying to find a quarterback and not being able to

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Speaker 1: do it some of these organizations. Yeah, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: you know, you realign, you kind of use your present

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Speaker 1: day consciousness. You know, nobody wants to be in a

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Speaker 1: division with the with the New England Patriots. You know,

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Speaker 1: they don't want to be the Bill's Jets, Dolphins. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Check yeah, check back in half a decade, see how

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Speaker 1: that sits. You know. So, and as for rivalries, I

553
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: said it before. Rivalries are about good teams playing for

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Speaker 1: something that means something, playing again means something that's where

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00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: they're born. Yeah. It has nothing to do with whether

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Speaker 1: or geography or proximity or anything like that. It has

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Speaker 1: to do with two teams who need this game and

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00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: it happens year after year after year. That's a rivalry.

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Speaker 1: We got a Twitter poll about this, and you're welcome

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Speaker 1: to weigh in. It's up on Twitter right now. The

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00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 1: question pretty simple, what would be your ideal Bill's division alignment?

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Speaker 1: We offer a couple of suggestions. A. Would it be

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Speaker 1: ideal for you if the Bills switch with a Ravens,

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Speaker 1: So the Bills go to the AFC North Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati,

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Speaker 1: Cleveland b add the Giants to the AFC East. So

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Speaker 1: you've got the Buffalo, Jets, Giants in New England, what

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Speaker 1: you lose Miami? I guess they're right. Would it be

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Speaker 1: c add the Browns to the AFC East so you'd

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Speaker 1: have Buffalo, Cleveland, Jets and New England lose the Dolphins?

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Speaker 1: Or can you leave it as is? On Twitter, we've

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Speaker 1: got four hundred twenty five votes in so far almost

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Speaker 1: half of you forty seven percent say Buffalo moves to

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Speaker 1: the AFC North, replacing Baltimore, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Cleveland thirty

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Speaker 1: two percent, About a third say just leave it as is,

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Speaker 1: twelve percent say bring the Browns to the AFC East,

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Speaker 1: eight percent say bring the Giants to the AFC's You know,

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Speaker 1: the Giants fans, they're not kind of want to lose

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Speaker 1: Washington and the Eagles and Dallas. I would think that

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Speaker 1: that's not like that happened. But what do you think

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Speaker 1: what would be your ideal bills division alignment? And we're

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Speaker 1: kind of speculating on this day, this offseason day, so

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Speaker 1: to think we'll take phone calls on this. I love

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Speaker 1: to hear your voice. Eight oh three five fifty toll

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Speaker 1: or you can vote send in a tweet. We might

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Speaker 1: read it on the tweet sheet. Your ideal Bills divisional alignment.

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Speaker 1: Let us know what you think, Steve Tasker, John Murphy,

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Speaker 1: just getting underway here One Bill's Live from One Bill's

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Speaker 1: Drive and this is Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome back, One

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Speaker 1: Bill's Live. I'm John Murphy to Steve Tasker. Where coming

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Speaker 1: to you live from One Bill's Drive from our one

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Speaker 1: Buffalo studio. Beautiful day here in Arch Park. Happy to

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Speaker 1: have it here with us. Kind of a quiet day

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Speaker 1: around the Bills. Rookies are in. They got their Rookie

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Speaker 1: Development Week going on. That will end soon. Veterans have

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Speaker 1: been gone since like last Thursday Friday when when Minicamp ended,

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Speaker 1: And of course we are I think training camp. What

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Speaker 1: do we say five weeks from tomorrow? First five weeks

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Speaker 1: I believe, so thirty days, thirty six days, six days

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Speaker 1: public math. But so it's coming, it's not coming. One, two, three, four,

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Speaker 1: five weeks away. First practice five weeks away and those

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Speaker 1: two practices with the Carolina Panthers in South Carolina on

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Speaker 1: August thirteenth. In August fourteenth, you we've talked about it

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Speaker 1: they've been having joint practices for decades, you know, and

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Speaker 1: there's been a story out now and they're getting a

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Speaker 1: little bit of pushback from their fans in Philadelphia because

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Speaker 1: Doug Peterson has said, listen, we're gonna open up one

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Speaker 1: practice to the fans this year and they're going to

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Speaker 1: charge admission. Now, the profits from that are gonna go

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Speaker 1: to charity, but they're selling them on StubHub and that

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Speaker 1: kind of thing, and some of the secondary markets and

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Speaker 1: those those entities take their fee off the top, of course,

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Speaker 1: but the rest of it's going to go to charity.

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Speaker 1: Fine and dandy, but they're getting some real pushback because

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Speaker 1: their fans are getting to see one practice of training camp.

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Speaker 1: That's it. That's that's unusual. I think I do. I

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Speaker 1: think I agree. I don't know what it's about either.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, the league's changing. It used to be

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Speaker 1: training camp. I think was viewed by the NFL forty

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Speaker 1: years ago as a way to promote interest in the

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Speaker 1: upcoming season. Let's get out there, have open public practices

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Speaker 1: and get people excited and we'll sell more tickets and

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Speaker 1: blah blah blah. That era is gone, right. Teams know

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Speaker 1: how many tickets are going to sell. Ticket sales are

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Speaker 1: less of a percentage of what team's revenue is. They

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Speaker 1: know pretty much to what their ticket bases and who's

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Speaker 1: gonna come and why they're gonna come, and so the

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Speaker 1: promotional aspect of training camp is over them. You know,

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Speaker 1: the hassle remains. And when you get a team, and

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Speaker 1: you can see it here, when a team has such

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Speaker 1: a good set up here with the brand new weight

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Speaker 1: room and the brand new conditioning and player performance center

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Speaker 1: they have, you cannot replicate that anywhere else and you

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Speaker 1: ben't going Yeah, well exactly now coaches, and Bill's coach

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00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: On McDermot makes this point too. There is a bonding

636
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: aspect I think a training camp. Talk to us about that, Steven.

637
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: You guys, you know, with the Bills, extremely close team,

638
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: extremely talented team, and you would spend you know, four

639
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: plus weeks at Fredonia every year. It's much longer than

640
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: any training camps nowadays. Did you get bonding out of

641
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: that aside from the football benefits where they're bonding was Yeah, absolutely.

642
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot of time, you know, in

643
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: the free time. We're notoriously we joke about it now

644
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: about how much time we spend downtown done Kirk or

645
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: Fredonia and or the of course, yeah whatever, doing the

646
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: stuff away from the field. But there's no doubt that

647
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: training camp from what it was in the sixties and

648
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: seventies was much different than when I came in the league.

649
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: They had at times guys that I played with, the

650
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: older guys that I came into the league with back

651
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: when they were young, they were like one hundred and

652
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: fifteen guys in camp. They just bring they rule guys in.

653
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: One hundred and twenty guys in training camp. And it

654
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: was six weeks long and they were like six preseason games,

655
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: and they used it to get in shape. It was

656
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: training camp. You had to train to get back into

657
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: football shape. Nobody was making enough money to be a

658
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: professional athlete. They were just getting paid to play football.

659
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: There's a difference. Now these guys are pro athletes. They

660
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: do it twelve months a year, They trained twelve months

661
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: a year. They do it on their own dime for

662
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: the most part. And it has evolved from that. Now

663
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: training camp is teaching. It's learning the offense, it's learning

664
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: taking reps, it's honing technique. It's a much different atmosphere

665
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: than it was, you know, certainly fifty years ago, but

666
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: even twenty five five years ago, it's it's a different

667
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: kind of atmosphere. No hitting, there's no two a days,

668
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: or maybe one two a day every three days. I

669
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: don't I can't even remember what it is. There's no

670
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 1: two a days. That's you know. There used to be

671
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: teams that would go out, have a walk through, a practice,

672
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: go back in, have a walkthrough, go back in, and

673
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: then come back out and have another practice. I mean

674
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: it was like three a days. They were on the

675
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 1: field all the time. That's all gone away, and it's

676
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: interesting to think about where it's headed. I mean, you

677
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: got a facility like we have a one Bill's Drive. Now,

678
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: why you leave? Why do you leave? There's got to

679
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: be something else. And one reason is that this franchise

680
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: has a plan to have a big regional footprint, you know,

681
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: and Rochester is an enormous part of that, and they

682
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: embrace that and they actively chase the Rochester market and

683
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: they send the team over there. And there's good reason

684
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: for it, I think because a lot of Bills fans

685
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: are from there, so there's a reason for that here.

686
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if New York in LA. I don't

687
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: know if they have the same reason for doing it.

688
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: You know, the Eagles have a really strong, committed, loyal

689
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: fan base, and it's pretty widespread too, at least all

690
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: over eastern Pennsylvania and into New Jersey as well. I

691
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: just think things are changing now in an economic sense

692
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: in the league. Where as much as they value I'm

693
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: sure the Eagle's value all those relationships, all those sponsors,

694
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: all their season ticket holders, and yet they might look

695
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 1: at training camp as not an important part of that relationship,

696
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: you know, like, oh, yeah, you come out and watch practice,

697
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: will make it available this one day. I assume that

698
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: one practice is at the stadium right at Lincoln Belle Idea. Yeah,

699
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: I'll get up, but you know, we can get sixty

700
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: five thousand people in there to watch one training camp

701
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: practice serves the same purpose of a charitable donation. Yeah,

702
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: fifteen days of two thousand people or three thousand of practice.

703
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: I get it. But it is evolving, and I don't

704
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: know whords headed. But I think let's take it from

705
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: when this first start happening, when a guy like Dan Schneider,

706
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: and I remember this vaguely in my past, and I

707
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: may get this wrong. But here's what I remember. He

708
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: bought the Redskins, and there was there's such and you

709
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,720
Speaker 1: remember the Redskins. They sold out one hundred and ninety

710
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: thousand games in a row, and in old RFK Stadium, remember,

711
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 1: and you couldn't get a ticket, and and everybody in

712
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: Washington wanted to see the Redskins and they were great.

713
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 1: So he was going to take advantage that he bought

714
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: the team, and he started charging mission prices and open

715
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: up every preseason practice, right, and he started charging admission.

716
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: So what did the Eagles and the Dallas Cowboys and

717
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: the Giants do? Fine? They sent there, They sent scouts

718
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: down there and watched every practice and filmed them. Yeah,

719
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 1: they bought a ticket and filmed them. And they lost

720
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: competitive advantage. I mean, these teams were filming their practices.

721
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: How are you going to get it? How are you

722
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: gonna keep anything secret from your division rivals when they

723
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,720
Speaker 1: can come in and film you. You know, it's crazy.

724
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 1: So that now it's kind of swinging back the other

725
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: way and say, listen, if they're doing it, we're doing it.

726
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: And now it's you know, it's common practice. They got

727
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: an open practice, you got somebody there watching you know,

728
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: it's just the way it works. So now the football

729
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: guys and the and the competitive nature of the game's

730
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: taken back over and they say, wait, wait, wait, let's

731
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: let's have some competitive secrets here if we can, even

732
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: through training camp. And the fans are nice even when

733
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: you give away free tickets, but you know, we gotta

734
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: we gotta have some things that are off limits as well. Yeah,

735
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: the value of training camp is I'm sure something that

736
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: every team thinks about, what are we getting out of this?

737
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: Why are we making this effort? And they think hard

738
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: about it. And you know, there was discussion last week

739
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: when the Bills training camp schedule came out and what

740
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: have they got? Eight? A total of eight open practices

741
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: in Rochester this year for six yeah, eight, And people say, well,

742
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: what's the point why you bother? Well, there is a

743
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 1: value there, and I think it's you know, and Sean

744
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: McDermot talked about it with us on the show last week.

745
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: What they get out of it, what they're looking to

746
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: get out of it. And yet there you know, as

747
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: McDermott said last week, I think his quote was, we're

748
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: constantly weighing it, We're constantly looking at it. The value

749
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: of being away, being in unfamiliar surroundings for a couple

750
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: of weeks, and this year it's about a week and

751
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: a half almost two weeks, versus being here. The work

752
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: you get done, how you get it done, and the

753
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: benefit that comes to marketing and fan support and season

754
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: ticket sales. I do think that side of it is

755
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: around the league, not just in Buffalo. Around the league.

756
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: That's gone down, right. Teams no longer need to be

757
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: six weeks at Niagara University in July and August, and

758
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: you know, to promote themselves and get people to buy

759
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: tickets at the rock Pile. It's just it's not a

760
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: factor anymore, that's right. And Plus you and I were

761
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: noticing today we're sitting around you think they don't just

762
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: go to Rochester and stop by for practice and show up.

763
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: They move to Rochester. Yeah, they're They're twenty four hours

764
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 1: a day, seven days for the week they're there. They

765
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: take weight rooms, they take training rooms, they takes personnel staff.

766
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 1: The whole operation gets loaded up and moved over there

767
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: for like a two week period, and then they moved.

768
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: Then they grind it all back here and they set

769
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: it up back here again and it's you know, when

770
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: you could just keep doing what you're doing in OTAs

771
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: and mini camps. You've got the facilities, you've got the

772
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: fields here, you don't have the viewing capacity, but and

773
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:23,280
Speaker 1: you don't have the dorms although, but that's on the horizon.

774
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: You're gonna put people over your house. But why would

775
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,760
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you build a hotel right here on property?

776
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 1: Who the bills? They got a few other projects, right

777
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: But you know what I mean, Yeah, I know what

778
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: you mean. I mean, game day be full. I mean,

779
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: people would stay. I mean, you know what I mean.

780
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: It's a profit set. You got the land, you put

781
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: a big high rise hotel. You can have training camp

782
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: right here. Period done, you know I mean and that

783
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: you know all this is going to evolve and it

784
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: may happen and some other teams are doing that. Yeah,

785
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: I think we are evolving here and not just here

786
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: around the league. I think we're in the process of involvement.

787
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: When it comes to training camps with the f FUER

788
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: will look like where they are now. We'll talk more

789
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: about that when we come back. We'll take a break here,

790
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 1: we'll talk more about division alignment as well. Give us

791
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: a call eight oh three five fifty toll free one

792
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty one Bill's

793
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,479
Speaker 1: Live from One Bill's Drive. And this is Buffalo Bill's Radio.

794
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: It's One Bell's Live. John Murphy was Steve Tasker on

795
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: this Wednesday afternoon, coming here from our one Buffalo studio

796
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 1: in Orchard Park. Here until three. We're gonna talk about

797
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 1: division realignment with you and with the guests coming up

798
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,720
Speaker 1: at one o'clock Max Kaplan, former researcher at NFL Network,

799
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: and we're gonna talk about the Bills practicing with Carolina

800
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: Panthers coming up at two with Joe Person covers the

801
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 1: Panthers for the Athletic dot Com. Let's get to the phones,

802
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 1: Andrew and go Wander New York. Hello Andrew, welcome, you're

803
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: on the air with us. Hey, guys, glad I could

804
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: call before you guys split up for a little bit. Here.

805
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: There you go, good timing. Yeah, I really want to

806
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: call because I know you guys have been talking about

807
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: the running backs from the running back room Alan what

808
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: that's gonna look like. And I talked to Joe Marino

809
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: of the Draft Network about it, and uh, we both

810
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 1: had two different theories. I wanted to go over both

811
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,919
Speaker 1: of them and uh see which one you guys think

812
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: is correct or maybe both are, maybe both aren't, but

813
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: go ahead. Yeah. First off, do you think it's fair

814
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 1: to say that we haven't yet seen Brian dables full

815
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: and best offense because of you know, all the things

816
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 1: last year, the four different quarterbacks? Yes, eminently fair, extremely fair. Yeah,

817
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: that's got a lot of sleeves. Okay. Um, for my

818
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: theories stemmed from a few different things. I got my

819
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: mind turning on it, and uh McDermott was on NFL

820
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: Live a few weeks ago and he talked about taking

821
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: a pay out of New England's book, and so that

822
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: got my mind going. Then Beasley, I'm sure you guys

823
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: saw the other week or a few days ago, talked

824
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 1: about how, um, you know, he's much more useful in

825
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: this offense. And then um, so with Dabo's obviously New

826
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: England background, I just my theory was that we want

827
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: to use our running backs and the skills that they're

828
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: good at. You know, it's always good to use use

829
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 1: them for the skill they're good at instead of teaching

830
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: them something out. And it's gonna it's gonna look a

831
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: lot more like, uh, with the way New England uses

832
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,760
Speaker 1: their running backs, you know, with with White, with Burkad

833
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 1: with Michelle you know, you know, So what's your point

834
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: about that? Well, I think it's gonna look we're our

835
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 1: running back room is gonna look a lot like that

836
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: instead of you know, where Joe's theory was. You know,

837
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: McCoy's still still the starter. McCoy and go are here

838
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 1: to help out a young Allan and you know everybody

839
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: else kind of just the backup plan. And so does

840
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: that have anything? So do you think who do you

841
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: think is gonna be on the roster running back? First

842
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: of all? McCoy, Gore, Singletary and t J. Yeldon. Okay,

843
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: and what about if they keep a fifth one, it'd

844
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: be probably U the fullback, right, yeah, either Patrick DeMarco,

845
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,439
Speaker 1: you know, maybe Perry, but yeah, I would think more

846
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,879
Speaker 1: of that fullback roll if you're gonna keep a fifth one,

847
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 1: all right, Okay, Yeah, I just think it's gonna look

848
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: a lot like that instead of this whole you know,

849
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: we're used to the one to punch with, you know,

850
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: with a starter, you know, McCoy and then the change

851
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: of pace guy or the short years guy, instead of

852
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: the one, two, three, maybe four punch. Yeah, like New

853
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,879
Speaker 1: England does. Yeah, I'll say I'll say this. I mean, yeah,

854
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,479
Speaker 1: if if our offense can be as prolific with Josh

855
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: Allen as it has been with Tom Brady, yeah, sign

856
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 1: us up, y'all do that. If your running backs can

857
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: be as versatile as the guys with the Patriots. Yeah,

858
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 1: I mean last year the Patriots ran the ball a

859
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: ton with those guys that you mentioned. They had an

860
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: offensive line that worked. And there's no doubt from the

861
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: first part of your phone call, we didn't. We don't

862
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: know what Brian Dable has up as sleeve with this

863
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: offense because the last offense, the offense last year was

864
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: limited so greatly by an inexperienced quarterback, a rovolving Dorritt quarterback,

865
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 1: and an offensive line that was not very good in

866
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: the run or the pass, and wide receivers who were

867
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: unproven and or unproductive are unable to get open. So

868
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 1: they had everything working against them last year. So to

869
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: think you're going to get an idea of what Brian

870
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: Dabole wants to do in an offense from last year, yeah, well,

871
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: there's no chance that it looks gonna look anything like

872
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: it did a year ago. So yeah, how those running

873
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,479
Speaker 1: backs are going to be used, it's a great theory.

874
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: It may be a lot like the New England guys.

875
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 1: If they're that flexible, they may be used that way.

876
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: Or they may go back and say, hey, we're gonna

877
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: run it on first and second down. If we have

878
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: to convert a third down, it's going to be a

879
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: third and one. Maybe that will be the philosophy. Maybe

880
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: they will run it a ton, But I think Josh

881
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: Allen is the focal point. I don't think the running

882
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: backs are the focal point. Last year I thought it was.

883
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: I think it was probably they were trying to make

884
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: it the reverse and it just didn't work. What do

885
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: you mean focal point? I think I think they wanted

886
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 1: to lean on Lashawn McCoy in a running game last

887
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: year with even with Nathan Peterman or whoever else was

888
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: in there. I think they wanted to run the football

889
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: and they just couldn't get it done and teams forced

890
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,280
Speaker 1: them to throw the football. And I think that running

891
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: backs were the first option last year. I think handing

892
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: it off was the thing they needed to do to

893
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: protect josh a little bit and drop him back when

894
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: they had to. I don't think that's going to be

895
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: the case this year. I think they're looking to be

896
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,879
Speaker 1: more balanced. Is that what you're saying. Yeah, I still

897
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: think they want to run the ball and run it

898
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: a lot, and maybe run it more than most team can. Yeah. Yeah,

899
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: but I think it's their goal. They're running more than

900
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: most teams. I think they're I think Josh, you're gonna

901
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: have more on his plate this year though, too. I

902
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 1: think I think he is, and I think they're gonna

903
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: be able to depend on him to make some plays,

904
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: where last year they didn't want to put that on

905
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: his plate, and maybe last year he wasn't ready for it.

906
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: And I think you and I have talked about this

907
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: a ton. Josh needs to make better decisions with the

908
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: ball in his hands. He can make the throws, but

909
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: he's got to choose to make the correct throw, not

910
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: the right that just correct throws. Throw it to the

911
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: open guy, short, take the take the first option. You

912
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: don't have to wait for that guy to go seventy

913
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: yards deep before you sling it. You know, get the

914
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: quick completion and let those guys work. I think they're

915
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: gonna do a lot more of that. I think he's

916
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: gonna get the ball out of his hands. Quicker. Hey,

917
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: we're talking a lot today about realignment of the divisions,

918
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: and our guests coming up after the Top of the

919
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: Eye has some thoughts on that. Max Kaplan, former researcher

920
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: at NFL Network, he'll be joining us to talk about this.

921
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: Come on back One Bill's Live from One Bill's Drive.

922
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bills Radio Bills Radio Network Sports Date.

923
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: The update comes from One Bill's Drive. The Bills announcing

924
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 1: today they've got a couple of practices. Officially announcing their

925
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 1: practice schedule with the Carolina Panthers coming up in Spartanburg,

926
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Speaker 1: South Carolina at Wofford College August thirteenth and fourteenth, Tuesday

927
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: and Wednesday that week leading up to their preseason game

928
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: against Carolina in Charlotte on Friday, August sixteenth. So two

929
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: joint practices with the Carolina Panthers announced by the Buffalo

930
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: Bills today. More football news, The Jets are expected to

931
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 1: announce that they've added Phil Savage to their front office.

932
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: NFL Network says the former Browns GM, the former executive

933
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: director of the Senior Bowls, is expected to join the

934
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: Jets personnel Staff's role not yet clear. Announcement is expected

935
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: this week. It as a reunion for Savage and new

936
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Speaker 1: Jets general manager Joe Douglas. They worked together in Baltimore.

937
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: Phil Savage, who left the Senior Bowl last year to

938
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Speaker 1: go to the Alliance American Football, coming back to the

939
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 1: NFL in a personnel role with the New York Jets.

940
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: That announcement expected to leader this week. Hockey, The NHL

941
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: Awards presented by Bridgetone take place tonight eight p m

942
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas. Saviors defenseman Restment Styleen, a finalist for

943
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 1: the Calder Trophy for Best Rookie by Leen, led all

944
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: defenseman rookies and points, assists, and power play points, and

945
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: finished second in goals with nine. Defenseman Justin Braun was

946
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 1: traded to the Flyers by the Sharks Chesterday for a

947
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: second round pick in the twenty nine NHL Draft and

948
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 1: a third round pick in the twenty twenty draft. He

949
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: had sixteen points, two goals, fourteen assists in seventy eight

950
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: games with San Jose this past season. The Anaheim Ducks

951
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 1: have bought out the contract of winger Corey Perry. He

952
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: won a Stanley Cup, at Olympic gold medal, the World Championship,

953
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: World Cup, at a Memorial Cup, a world junior title.

954
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: Only Perry and Scott Niedermeyer have accomplished that feat in

955
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,879
Speaker 1: hockey history. His contract brought out by the Anaheim Ducks

956
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 1: today and the Buffalo Bisen's in action tonight against Indianapolis

957
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: seven or five first pitch downtown at Salem Park. Bisens

958
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 1: fell to the Indians last night by a score of

959
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: five to two. And that's the update from One Bill's Drive,

960
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: John Murphy's team Tasker in our one Buffalo studio. We

961
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 1: started the show an hour ago talking about realignment, division realignment,

962
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: maybe conference realignment, your look at the NFL, what would work?

963
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: What would be your ideal bills division alignment? On the

964
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: line with us right now is a guy who's done

965
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,280
Speaker 1: a lot of research into this. He is a former

966
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: football researcher at NFL Network, Princeton Grad. Happy to have

967
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: Max Kaplan on the line with us. Hello Max, John

968
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: Murphy and Steve Tasker up here in Buffalo, Thank you

969
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: for joining us. Hey guys, thanks for having me. What

970
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: got you on this? What makes you think division realignment

971
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: is critical for the National Football League. Well, I mean

972
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 1: think about Miami. Why are you know, first of all,

973
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: I I looked into this for Earth Day. You know,

974
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense for the Bills to be traveling

975
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 1: to and from Miami every year. And you think about

976
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: the Colts in the in the South. I don't know

977
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: how that makes sense, the Chiefs in the West, um,

978
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: you know, Dallas in the east. So you know, basically

979
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: what I wanted to do was, well, you know, come

980
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: up with the geographically perfect NFL alignment. So what do

981
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: you guys think of that? It's it's okay, I get it.

982
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: But because you know, it'd make easy for easy fans

983
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: to go to road trips, particularly in the Northeast. You know,

984
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 1: you get you know, Buffalo fans going to Pittsburgh, Cleveland

985
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: or you know, New York or whatever, what have you.

986
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: The road trips would be easier for them to make

987
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 1: those drives. I still don't know, because one problem you

988
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: have is because they still got to play out of

989
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: conference games and out of division games that could be

990
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: you know, you know out in Seattle, in LA and

991
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: San Diego though kind of places, so um, you'd still

992
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 1: have to do that occasionally. So it wouldn't completely get

993
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: rid of it. Max, you said you wrote it in

994
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: conjecture where thirthday you viewed this realignment as an attempt

995
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: for energy conservation is yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean you

996
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: know that we all do our part. We you know,

997
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: we do paperless billing. You know, the natural next step

998
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: is to realign the NFL divisions, right are you? Are

999
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: you serious? Um? So? I guess you know, before before

1000
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 1: we even uh you know, realign the divisions. I guess

1001
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 1: what I personally would want to do is realign the

1002
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame balloting. You know, I'm a big Steve

1003
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: Tasker fan, and yeah, seven Pro Bowls and the best

1004
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: special teamer of all time. I don't think I think

1005
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: we need to give some fairness to the build in

1006
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,879
Speaker 1: northwestern Seoul. Have to hop in a car and drive

1007
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: to Canton, Ohio. What about you have to? Yeah? You

1008
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 1: have you better, You have better luck realigning the AFC

1009
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: NFC teams. Yeah, you put the you could put the

1010
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: Giants in the AFC West before you'd put you make

1011
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: that happen in the Hall of Fame. But I get

1012
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,399
Speaker 1: it one of the things, and I was wondered too.

1013
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: In the big picture. Some of these alliances and alignment

1014
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 1: things that are set in stone, like the old NFC

1015
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: East with Dallas, New York, Washington, Philly. You know, some

1016
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 1: of that stuff seems to be set in stone, and

1017
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: some of it harkens back to the days of the

1018
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: old TV contracts. They wanted the big market teams playing

1019
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: against each other for TV ratings so that it would

1020
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: drive revenue and it would drive interest. And at the

1021
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: big market level, do you think that still holds water.

1022
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: I think there's something to that. But then you know,

1023
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: at the time where I looked into this, the Jets

1024
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: and the Giants, they share a stadium, it would be

1025
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: a New York rivalry, and they'd only faced each other

1026
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: four times in twenty years, right, So you know, if

1027
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: you're thinking about TV ratings, those other matchups that probably

1028
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: stand out. Yeah, I get that, and one of other

1029
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: things that occurred to me as well. Say, for instance,

1030
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 1: you have a division with New England, the Jets, Buffalo

1031
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 1: and New York and the Jets and the Giants and

1032
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: Buffalo and New England. So you've got those four teams

1033
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: playing up there, and the division winner all of a

1034
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: sudden has to play one of the teams from either Miami,

1035
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay, Jacksonville, or New Orleans. Yep, home field would

1036
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: be an enormous giveaway. I mean, if if one of

1037
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 1: those southern teams has to go to the Northeast, maybe

1038
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 1: for the only time that season in January in the playoffs,

1039
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 1: you know, it becomes a regional sport then, where you know,

1040
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: if you have to go to their place, you will

1041
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: never win, and if they have to come down there,

1042
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 1: they will never win down down South. It's that kind

1043
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 1: of thing, right, Yeah, I think we're getting ahead of ourselves.

1044
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 1: I think the Bills need to make it to the

1045
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 1: playoffs first. Yeah, well, there you go. Well they did

1046
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: two years ago. Not two years ago. We did and

1047
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: we played in Jacksonville and got beat. So my point stands. Unfortunately,

1048
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: the you know, the geographically perfect divisions keep the Bills

1049
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: in with the Patriots. If that was the intention, well

1050
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 1: you know you'd be disappointed. Here's what would happen though,

1051
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: if you did do realignment and the Bills left the

1052
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: AFC East and the Patriots behind immediately, Tom Brady and

1053
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick would retire in Tanda, of course, and of

1054
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: course that would be it would render the whole the

1055
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Speaker 1: whole point moot, But what are some of the other

1056
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: things you've gotten on what the problem is too? And

1057
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: then you notice this, you've got to You've got your

1058
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: graphic there with lines on it. There's only seven teams

1059
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:34,760
Speaker 1: west of the Rockies. It's Denver, Arizona, Sandy, the Chargers,

1060
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: the Rams, the Niners, the oak the Raiders, and the Seahawks.

1061
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: There's only seven teams of the thirty two that are

1062
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: in the western half of the state. That really causes

1063
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 1: a problem for divisional rivalries because you've only got seven teams.

1064
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: You need eight out there too. Two divisions. Um, well,

1065
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 1: who who's gonna Who's gonna lose their team? Who's gonna

1066
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: forego their team for the eighth West? I don't know,

1067
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: there's you know, there's some there's some candidates, but still

1068
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: that's it's not set in stone and it doesn't make

1069
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: perfect geographic sense. Right. So the way the algorithm works

1070
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: is basically it's a nonlinear constrained optimization problem. So your

1071
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: constraints are, you know, four teams in a division and

1072
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: your objective function. The thing you're trying to minimize is

1073
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: the total divisional travel amongst all divisions. So it just

1074
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: so happens when you put these divisions together. Putting Dallas

1075
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: in the west is what makes kind of the most rational,

1076
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: you know, minimum travel distance over the course of the

1077
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:40,839
Speaker 1: entire across the entire league. So you know, I don't

1078
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 1: think that'll that'll be happy. That's not good news for

1079
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,800
Speaker 1: the guys in Dallas, but it's it's the way the

1080
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:51,359
Speaker 1: model works. Right Next, do you acknowledge that no one

1081
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 1: in position of power in the NFL gives a darn

1082
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: about geography? You know what I mean. Teams can get

1083
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:00,919
Speaker 1: place to place easily. I mean we're talking about earlier.

1084
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 1: The Bills are going to South Carolina for two days

1085
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: of practice this August. Yeah, yeah, I've heard this before.

1086
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 1: And um, you know when when this originally got published,

1087
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 1: I got a Reddit comment that said, I've switched sides

1088
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: and now support global warming if it means avoiding this. Right,

1089
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: Welcome to Welcome to social first time I've heard. Yeah,

1090
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: that's right. And and and I was telling we had

1091
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:29,359
Speaker 1: a conversation in preparation for you coming on the show.

1092
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: I got drafted in nineteen eighty five, and since I've

1093
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 1: gotten drafted, there has been at least two major overhauls

1094
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 1: in realignment, so it probably will in the future at

1095
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 1: some point happen again. Yeah, and uh, I mean, let

1096
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: me ask you, guys, where where would you want the

1097
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: bills to be? Uh? I heard you at a poll.

1098
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: How did that turn out? Well, it's it's ongoing. It's ongoing,

1099
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: and it is It's pretty interesting because it does shake

1100
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: out in some pretty interesting percentage. Just a lot of

1101
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 1: it has to do with, you know, history. People don't

1102
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: want to change and go away from where they've always

1103
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 1: been and are you know the Twitter poll kind of

1104
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: bears that out. We've got forty six percent of the

1105
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: people here in Buffalo, people who are listening to our show,

1106
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: they think Buffalo would go into the AFC North the

1107
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: way they's just a subtle change. Interesting, it would flip,

1108
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: it would flip Buffalo and Baltimore, so it would be Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Cleveland.

1109
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: Forty six percent of the people think that's the way

1110
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 1: it should go, and then ten percent say it should

1111
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: be Buffalo, the Jets, the Giants, and New England. And

1112
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: then of course then there's Buffalo, Cleveland, the Jets in

1113
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: New England. And then a third of the people the

1114
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: second most highest percentage. They think, you know what, leave

1115
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: it alone. They like it the way that and I

1116
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 1: think that that speaks to, yeah, the fearful, the fearful

1117
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 1: in us that don't want to change it up. But

1118
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: I you know, we've lived through it before the realignment,

1119
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: and I think it had up and the last couple

1120
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: of times because of expansion. But now that they're set

1121
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: at thirty two teams with sixteen teams in a conference,

1122
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: even numbers on both sides, they've got the the set

1123
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: schedule out in the future, you can kind of go

1124
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: out and look which divisions you're gonna be playing in

1125
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: the future is pretty symmetrical and pretty straightforward as to

1126
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: who you're gonna play, how it's gonna work, and you

1127
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: can kind of anticipate who your opponents are going to be.

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00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: I don't think any wants to topple that boat right

1129
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: at the present point in history. And if I can

1130
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: just throw this in there, Steve nmex to my mind,

1131
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: the number one determining factor on who plays whom and

1132
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: when and where they play is television. If you're gonna

1133
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 1: switch divisions, if you're gonna switch conferences, you're gonna have

1134
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 1: to sit down with Fox and NBC and CBS and

1135
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 1: say this is what we're thinking and let them sort

1136
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 1: it out because they're they're the ones, they are the

1137
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: most interested parties here. You're not gonna make any changes.

1138
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: It's the networks don't sign off on. Yeah, And I

1139
00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 1: wouldn't be the one to want to take away your

1140
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: one divisional game of sunshine every year. I don't want

1141
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 1: to have that on my plate. There's another aspect to

1142
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: this as well, even now with the new platforms and

1143
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: the new ways and the new entities that are entering

1144
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: into the television and the broadcast realm of the NFL,

1145
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: that may be the thing that drives realignment when you've

1146
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 1: got because now CBS, as the AFC rights holder, are

1147
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 1: now doing NFC NFC games because of the flex scheduling,

1148
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: and now flex scheduling is a big part of what

1149
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: happens in the second half of the season, and if

1150
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 1: they want to solidify and get some predictability for the

1151
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 1: television their television partners, realignment may be one way that

1152
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 1: they do it. Hey, Max, thanks for this interesting concept.

1153
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us on the show today to discuss YEP.

1154
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me guys. Max Gaflin, former football researcher

1155
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 1: and NFL network. We pose the question, what would be

1156
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: your ideal Bill's division realignment? Give us a call. I

1157
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 1: got phone lines open eight fifty toll free one eight

1158
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 1: eight eight by fifty two five fifty. You can vote

1159
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 1: in the Twitter poll. You can send in a tweet.

1160
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 1: We might read it in the tweet sheet, brought to

1161
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: you by Corgan Moving Systems, the official movers of the

1162
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. The tweet sheet, John writes in I would

1163
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 1: love for the Bills to be part of the AFC North.

1164
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: That would be a great division to watch. Switching now

1165
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 1: so close to Brady's retirement would stake just think the

1166
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 1: Bills could be the next AFC East juggernaut. Yeah, yeah,

1167
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 1: I get that. Um, I will say this, That's the

1168
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: only thing that I would even think about from the

1169
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 1: Bills perspective. Steve to get the flip with the Ravens,

1170
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 1: To get with Pittsburgh and Cincinnati and Cleveland, easy, simple.

1171
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 1: The Ravens would probably love it playing the Jet, the

1172
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 1: Jets and the Patriots and going down to Miami. And

1173
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 1: the only reason it's not geography, it certainly is not

1174
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 1: to save However, Jet fuel. Is he serious? He was

1175
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 1: serious with the right. I'm not actually started it, yeah,

1176
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 1: but it was. It was for Earth Day, so yeah,

1177
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 1: it was a conservation thing. He said. If the league

1178
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 1: wanted to do a public statement about saving energy and

1179
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 1: doing it all they could, that was what they would do. Yeah,

1180
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 1: it's far fetched. Yeah, that's not gonna move it. But

1181
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 1: for the offseason, we're struggling. Very true. The reason to

1182
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 1: make that switch Bills in Baltimore to me, is to

1183
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: get Bills fan bases Pittsburgh, Cleveland, maybe a little bit

1184
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati, to go back and forth with Buffalo. They

1185
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: would become instant rivals. And if you're having a down

1186
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 1: year in Cleveland, you're having a down year in Pittsburgh

1187
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 1: or Buffalo. Well, we got a game here and we'll

1188
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 1: get a couple thousand Steelers fans up here. We won't

1189
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 1: get hurt at at the box office. And that's that.

1190
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 1: I don't even know if that's enough for me. Right.

1191
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 1: That plays right into the tweet we got from Jeffrey

1192
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 1: on the tweet sheet. Any realignment where the Bills are

1193
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 1: without the Browns and Steelers makes no sense. Erie Pennsylvania

1194
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 1: would be in the sweet spot of divided fan bases

1195
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 1: less than two hour drive from all three venues. You

1196
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 1: talk about a joint practice, how about Pittsburgh, Cleveland and

1197
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: Buffalo in Erie, Pennsylvania for a three way joint practice.

1198
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 1: I mean they would, they'd get one hundred thousand people

1199
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: in that type. I mean, think about it, and that's

1200
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 1: what we're talking about. If if there was a way

1201
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 1: or a need for it. And I don't even think

1202
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 1: there's a need for it, Murf, Like you said, I

1203
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 1: mean that the NFL is not struggling to sell tickets

1204
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 1: for the most part. No, I mean sometimes late in

1205
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 1: the season, you know it's Christmas time and your team's

1206
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 1: out of it or whatever. But think about it. If

1207
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 1: Buffalo fans on a year, and we talked about this

1208
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the show, Buffalo fans boom, they're

1209
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 1: going to the Pittsburgh game this year, or they're going

1210
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 1: to the everybody drives in the Cleveland game. That's an

1211
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 1: easy drive. You know, it's just that simple. They're that close,

1212
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 1: and to have them division rivals, and you know you'd

1213
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 1: get Pittsburgh fans up here. You know, you'd get Cleveland

1214
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 1: fans up here. It's happened before it would be a

1215
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 1: routine thing that every year that that game would mean

1216
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,959
Speaker 1: a little bit more, and that to me, murf would

1217
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 1: stoke rivalries. I agree, right, I mean, that's that's I

1218
01:02:56,560 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 1: can see that working. I can't see it working too

1219
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 1: many for too many other teams in that way. Tweet

1220
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 1: from Jack choice a all day. It makes sense. The

1221
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 1: Ravens are on the East Coast like New England, New York,

1222
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 1: and Miami. Plus Buffalo could go to a division where

1223
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 1: all teams are less than a six hour drive from

1224
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 1: each other. Talk about building rivalries. That will happen. That

1225
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 1: will happen. I think it will, and you know, you'll

1226
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: start to think, oh, it's the Browns week, you know,

1227
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 1: and maybe the Browns are good some of yere. Maybe

1228
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 1: they're not same about Buffalo, but you'd always have that proximity.

1229
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:28,919
Speaker 1: You'd always have their fans coming here and vice versa.

1230
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 1: And when from sipping the kool aid, I voted A,

1231
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 1: which is the Bills flip with Baltimore. I voted A

1232
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 1: because I think geographic realignment would be great. Fans being

1233
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 1: able to travel to divisional games close to home would

1234
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 1: be outstanding. It would just add to the divisional rivalry.

1235
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 1: You know, maybe in Max Kaplan's plan if I'm having

1236
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 1: a hard time doing this getting around his jet fuel

1237
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 1: conservation plan, but maybe if you look at it, like

1238
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 1: who else would benefit from any switch like that where

1239
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 1: all of a sudden people are driving to games. I mean,

1240
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 1: first of all, there's not a whole lot of situations

1241
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 1: where teams are in such close proximity, right, I mean

1242
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 1: you have you know, in the New York with the

1243
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 1: Eastern Seaboard, you got Patriots, you got Jets, Giants, Eagles, Baltimore, Washington,

1244
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 1: those are all really close. But there's more than enough

1245
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 1: there for one division, right, so right that there are

1246
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 1: six teams there, Yeah, and you as a division and

1247
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 1: a half, and you have to go down maybe include

1248
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 1: Carolina or Atlanta. But you've got if if another real

1249
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 1: chance for rivalry is in Jacksonville, Tampa Bay in Miami,

1250
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 1: three teams in the same state, and you've got New

1251
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 1: Orleans across the Panhandle from Florida that you could also

1252
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 1: include in that division. Or you could go north and

1253
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 1: take Atlanta or Carolina into the three Florida teams. Would

1254
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 1: I would probably take the New Orleans over there, But

1255
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 1: you know there's a lot of fun ways to slice

1256
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 1: it up. I've alwaysn't been intrigued by it, and maybe

1257
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 1: it goes back to the times when I mean I

1258
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 1: came into the National Football League. There were twenty eight

1259
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 1: teams in the league, and it was two conferences, three

1260
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 1: divisions in each conference, and it was it was different,

1261
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: you know, it was just different. They had that kind

1262
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 1: of odd You had three divisions, So how you're gonna

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Speaker 1: work the playoffs? Right? You had to figure out how

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01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 1: that worked? And I can't even remember now, uh, and

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Speaker 1: I was and I was wildcard right, one wild card right,

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Speaker 1: and then he had just like divisional round the championship

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Speaker 1: game and that was in Super Bowl, shorter playoffs, and

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Speaker 1: now they added another round to the playoffs in the

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01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 1: wildcard round. So that's you know. I just think the

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Speaker 1: thirty two team model, sixteen game regular season is is crucial,

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01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:35,919
Speaker 1: although until you go to the eighteen games, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: get that. As soon as you said that, I thought,

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Speaker 1: does he does he come around? No? But it's great.

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01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 1: It's a great model. But it's always fun because, like

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Speaker 1: I said earlier, you always put this in context of

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01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 1: where we're at in the present moment and but timelessly speaking, Buffalo, Pittsburgh,

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01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 1: Cleveland and even even the Detroit you know those fourteen there.

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01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 1: You know, you could throw a rock and hit all

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01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 1: of those cities. You know, they're close and they're kind

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Speaker 1: of the you know, we always say they're kind of Midwest,

1281
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 1: same kind of cities. You know they used to call

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01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 1: they had the Rust Belt, you know, Buffalo, Detroit, Pittsburgh, Cleveland,

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01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 1: and that would be that would be a that would

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01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 1: be a bitter rival in that division with those three

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Speaker 1: four teams, that would be that would be emotion. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know about getting Detroit out of the NFC, right,

1287
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 1: they are kind of a flagship NFC franchise. Yes, they

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01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 1: haven't had much success, but I think my senses in Detroit,

1289
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Speaker 1: they'll tell you we're not giving up our series with

1290
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Speaker 1: Green Bay. We're not giving up our series with the Bears. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Those are important to them, and they're historic in their

1292
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:44,919
Speaker 1: own way, right, the lines have been around forever. Yeah,

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01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 1: they're an original team and no question about it, and

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01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 1: I get it, but um, yeah, that would be a

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01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 1: hard sell. And let's face it, the only audience here

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Speaker 1: that you're trying to sell if you're really serious about

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Speaker 1: doing something like this or the owners. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: that's the only you know, and they are answering, as

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Speaker 1: I said to Max, they are answering to the TV networks.

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01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:08,920
Speaker 1: The TV networks will say, no, you're not gonna We're

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01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 1: not going to eliminate you know, Baltimore Pittsburgh games. Those

1302
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 1: are big ratings. Here's for us. But here's the thing too, Murph.

1303
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 1: The TV networks, like I said, they may be the

1304
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 1: ones that are trying to sell this to the owners. Hey, listen,

1305
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:22,920
Speaker 1: we would love it if you'd put the Jets and

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01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 1: Giants in the same division, and the Raiders are the

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01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 1: Raiders in San Francisco in the same division, and the

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01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 1: Rams and the Chargers in the same division. They're more

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01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 1: likely to say, hey, do not separate the Giants and

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Speaker 1: the Redskins, or the Giants and the Eagles. Maybe Giants

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Speaker 1: of the Cowboys. Those are big games. Those are Sunday

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Speaker 1: night games. Those are some of the biggest, you know,

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Speaker 1: ratings games of the year. Yeah, phone call here from

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Speaker 1: Nathan and Niagara Falls. Hello, Nathan, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: Thanks very much, guys, appreciate you having me on. Sure. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to speak to the shake up that

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Speaker 1: you're talking about as a as a Ravens fan, Like

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01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 1: I live on this side of the border. I go

1319
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 1: to Build games and also go to Ravens games and

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01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:01,520
Speaker 1: the autumn because I love watching the Steelers and the

1321
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 1: Ravens hammer it out um and just you know, upsetting

1322
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 1: that rivalry is kind of at the fans, it's kind

1323
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 1: of unthinkable, just because of the bad blood they've had there,

1324
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 1: you know, not up breaking Roethlisberger's nose, all the signs,

1325
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 1: like if you guys have been to like a tailgate

1326
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 1: down there, it's insane. Yeah, So I totally agree that

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01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 1: something should be done, and for the fans, I agree.

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01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 1: It's like with a lot of what you're saying, but

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01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 1: it's just hard to imagine the Ravens being the old

1330
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:30,000
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns not being in the AfD North where it

1331
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 1: kind of got this identity as like, you know, a

1332
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:34,680
Speaker 1: ground and pound, tough defense kind of team, and no

1333
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 1: doubt the Bills could be in the AFC North. I

1334
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 1: just I guess it just got my Ravens feathers ruffled

1335
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 1: a little bit thinking about my team not being in

1336
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 1: that division with you guys, got to play the same. Yeah,

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01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 1: it's interesting. And one of the things too, we haven't

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Speaker 1: even discussed and you bring it up, is a good point.

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01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 1: Why not divide the league by divisions by market size?

1340
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 1: I say, you don't want you want those big markets.

1341
01:08:57,400 --> 01:09:01,920
Speaker 1: You'd have New York in a division with LA, Chicago

1342
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Speaker 1: and what Dallas is the third biggest one or is it? Yeah,

1343
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 1: there you go, that's your division, Houston, LA, New York

1344
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 1: and Chicago. We waste so much jet fuel. It'd be

1345
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 1: what about the jet fuel? And then the bottom of

1346
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 1: it would be New Orleans, Green Bay, Buffalo, and what

1347
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 1: is the other one? Teton, Nashville? Yeah, probably or maybe Jacksonville.

1348
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 1: Jacksonville is pretty small, you know. That would be that

1349
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:30,920
Speaker 1: division at the other end of the spectrum, and then

1350
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 1: everything else would would shift down from there, sift down

1351
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 1: from there. What would you accomplish by that move? Market

1352
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 1: sizes would be the you know, it'd be just defets

1353
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:41,640
Speaker 1: for the TV people. That's how we got into that.

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01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:43,560
Speaker 1: You know, the TV people say, okay, we need the

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Speaker 1: the you know, a whatever you want to call the division,

1356
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Speaker 1: the giant division and the midget division, whatever you want

1357
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:53,879
Speaker 1: to call it. You know, the small market yeah, the Peeweees,

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Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. But you know that

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Speaker 1: would the t That would be something think about it.

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Speaker 1: That would be something that the TV networks bring to

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01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 1: the owner and say, hey, how about it. They probably

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01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 1: maybe even say, you know what, you don't need these

1363
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:06,360
Speaker 1: teams at the bottom, get rid of these six dances

1364
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 1: and let us say this, go back to the twenty

1365
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:10,640
Speaker 1: Cowboys play on Sunday Night football every week. Right, they

1366
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:12,680
Speaker 1: already do that. I gotta break We're back but more

1367
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Speaker 1: in a moment. One Bills Live from One Bill's Drive

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Speaker 1: on Buffalo Bill's Radio, we' go back. One goes Live

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Speaker 1: from One Bills Drive, John Murphy see tasker coming to

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01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 1: it from our one Buffalo studio. I take this realignment

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01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 1: thing too seriously. I always had, you always have. So

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01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:39,439
Speaker 1: I've jetted out and did a list of I don't

1373
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 1: want to get off on this one. I did a

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01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:43,680
Speaker 1: list of what the more large market sizes are. And

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01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 1: the only reason that it even makes any sense is

1376
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 1: if the TV people want to do it this way,

1377
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 1: so they can, like we always say, we get tired

1378
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 1: of it. The Dallas Cowboys are on all the time.

1379
01:10:55,880 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 1: Team the Washington the new York Giants are on all

1380
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:03,760
Speaker 1: the time, The Washington Redskins are on all the time,

1381
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:07,679
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles are on all the time. Because they're

1382
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:12,960
Speaker 1: these big fat TV markets, right, And so the only

1383
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 1: way they would realign it by TV making it happen

1384
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 1: is because of that. They would take the list of

1385
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:20,800
Speaker 1: this list that I just printed, from one through thirty two,

1386
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 1: and they'd say, we want these guys in this division.

1387
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:27,080
Speaker 1: Then we want the second, the second, four biggest markets

1388
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:30,639
Speaker 1: in the next division, the third biggest market, four markets

1389
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:32,559
Speaker 1: in the fourth division. That kind of thing go all

1390
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:34,519
Speaker 1: the way down, and they would set it out by

1391
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:39,600
Speaker 1: market size in the rather than by geography or rivalry

1392
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:41,760
Speaker 1: or anything like that. It would all be about the

1393
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 1: numbers they get when they put them on TV. They

1394
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 1: still put the markets, that's right, but at least they

1395
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 1: those big markets would be in the same one and

1396
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 1: they'd have them like the second four would be New England, Philly, Carolina,

1397
01:11:54,400 --> 01:12:00,599
Speaker 1: and Dallas. See what I mean. Yeah, So what does

1398
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 1: it solve. It doesn't solve anything. It just puts more

1399
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 1: money in the TV, which means more money in the

1400
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 1: league because they could you know, but here's the thing,

1401
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 1: and and you know what, I'm where it goes. Buffalo

1402
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:15,800
Speaker 1: gets one national TV game every five years. Yeah, and

1403
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:18,519
Speaker 1: so does New Orleans, I mean in Kansas City. And

1404
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 1: doesn't solve anything, but it puts more money in. And

1405
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:23,120
Speaker 1: that's the one thing I think that the owners would

1406
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:25,760
Speaker 1: listen to about realignment. I guess you know what I mean,

1407
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:29,720
Speaker 1: because yeah, because that's, let's face it, there's thirty two

1408
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 1: audiences and it's one guy, it's thirty two owners. That's

1409
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 1: the only people you got to convince. And that's and

1410
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:38,080
Speaker 1: it's the only people who could convince them would be TV.

1411
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:42,680
Speaker 1: They drive it. They drive TV drives the scheduling, and

1412
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 1: you're not switching teams conference a conference or division to

1413
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 1: division without TV weighing in. Yet. That's right, that's exactly right.

1414
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 1: We got into this because as Max Kaplan wanted to

1415
01:12:55,200 --> 01:13:00,479
Speaker 1: save jet fuel on Earth Day, all of a sudden

1416
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 1: we're in this. I'm out on this ledge shouting about

1417
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 1: TV revenues. What would be your guilty? How do you

1418
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 1: get me? I didn't. I've kind of been quiet all day.

1419
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:12,640
Speaker 1: I don't understand that we're talking about it. I'm kind

1420
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 1: of taking a back seat trying to I'm trying to

1421
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 1: catch up at where the show is all day. Now

1422
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 1: we're on the we're on the topic realignment, and I

1423
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 1: think I like I like the AFCAS the way it is.

1424
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 1: I like the Miami component where everybody goes down south

1425
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 1: and plays a hot game and then they have to

1426
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 1: come up and play three Northeast games. It's traditional, It's

1427
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 1: got the big city venue in it. New England in

1428
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:39,800
Speaker 1: the past twenty years has been the crown jewelry the

1429
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:41,720
Speaker 1: entire league. And to have him in our division is

1430
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:44,800
Speaker 1: both a curse and a blessing. Yeah, I get it.

1431
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 1: It's the only change I've said this since noon. The

1432
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:50,599
Speaker 1: only change I would even think about would be flipping

1433
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 1: with the Ravens. Why do you like it so much?

1434
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 1: The way it is? Just tradition, Yeah, playing and there's

1435
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 1: no problems. There really are no problems. The biggest problem

1436
01:13:58,200 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 1: is the Patriots half Tom Brady and they win to

1437
01:13:59,920 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 1: a vision every year. Yeah, that's fact, and fix it

1438
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:05,280
Speaker 1: on the football field. Other than that, I have no

1439
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:07,640
Speaker 1: problem with the AFC East. I hate the Jets, I

1440
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 1: don't like the Patriots, and I'm not crazy about the Dolphins.

1441
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 1: And that's fine. And you don't really care about any

1442
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 1: of the other teams, any other divisions. Really, I think

1443
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:18,720
Speaker 1: the AFC norths would be interesting, just not because of

1444
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:22,800
Speaker 1: jet fuel, just to have the possibility of fans from

1445
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:26,040
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh and Cleveland primarily making the trip here and vice versa.

1446
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:29,280
Speaker 1: I think that would be an interesting, fun spice element

1447
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 1: to alignment like that. I totally agree, and for this

1448
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:36,680
Speaker 1: reason alone. It it makes the game bigger in those

1449
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 1: cities on that weekend. Mean, you were doing the Bills

1450
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:46,280
Speaker 1: game down in Nashville about three years ago, Sunday afternoon game.

1451
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:49,040
Speaker 1: We've talked about this before on the show. That city

1452
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 1: was packed with Bills fans. It was the first kind

1453
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:54,720
Speaker 1: of the first time that had an away game down

1454
01:14:54,840 --> 01:15:01,920
Speaker 1: there in a while. And it was the whole city

1455
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:04,200
Speaker 1: was I was doing the game for CBS. The whole

1456
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:06,840
Speaker 1: city was packed. And the hockey game the night before,

1457
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:09,640
Speaker 1: the Saturday night game for the Predators, and it was

1458
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 1: like it was like the Devils or somebody. It wasn't

1459
01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:15,160
Speaker 1: even it wasn't even the Sabers. It was full of

1460
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 1: Sabers fans. The whole arena, arena was and I thought, man,

1461
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:25,360
Speaker 1: so to have it Bill's Bill Steelers, Bill's Brown's Bill's

1462
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:29,960
Speaker 1: Bengals be huge. I think on those weekends and having

1463
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:33,360
Speaker 1: at home and away because you know, Bills fans are

1464
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 1: traveling these days, and it was just getting more and

1465
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:37,760
Speaker 1: more common, and those are good places to watch a game,

1466
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:42,880
Speaker 1: and fans are fine. I agree, I think both of them.

1467
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:45,559
Speaker 1: But there's only so many teams, you know, thirty two,

1468
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:48,240
Speaker 1: But there's only so many teams and regions where that

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01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:54,479
Speaker 1: would work. You know, New York, Philly, Washington or Washington, Baltimore, Philly,

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01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:57,160
Speaker 1: those kind of places. I mean, But then you got

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Speaker 1: three teams that don't have to travel play at division games,

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01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:04,760
Speaker 1: and that doesn't seem fair either. Yeah. Hey, let's go

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Speaker 1: to the tweet sheet. It is brought to you by

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01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:09,280
Speaker 1: Corrigan Moving Systems, the official movers of the Buffalo Bills.

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01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:13,720
Speaker 1: Your ideal Bill's division alignment from Bill's Fan three sixty five,

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01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:17,479
Speaker 1: Miami should be in the AFC South, move Baltimore to

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01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:20,559
Speaker 1: the AFC East, in Indianapolis to the AFC North. Bills

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01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:23,559
Speaker 1: not in his plan. Miami goes to the AFC South,

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01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 1: Baltimore goes to the AFC East, indeed to the AFC North. Yeah,

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01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 1: I guess does geography matter? Does it? Matter. I don't

1481
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 1: think it does. I think they're against geography. I don't

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01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:39,680
Speaker 1: think they want to regionalize divisions. Well, I don't know

1483
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:43,240
Speaker 1: about that. I don't know about that. I think it's

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01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:47,000
Speaker 1: more a function of history, like who's been playing at home?

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01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 1: But I mean, I don't think there's an anti regionalization

1486
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 1: thing because that's what they do. It's AFC North, it's

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01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:55,720
Speaker 1: AFC East. There have been stuff that's happened along the

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01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:58,599
Speaker 1: way that changes that. But I don't know why would

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01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:02,479
Speaker 1: they be against Look, you only play six of your

1490
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 1: sixteen games against division rivals, so it's not like you

1491
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:08,200
Speaker 1: are destined to not get out of this division. Here's

1492
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 1: an interesting tweet from Kevin get rid of divisions altogether.

1493
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:15,280
Speaker 1: They aren't needed two sixteen team conferences can easily create

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01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 1: a sixteen game schedule formula, no question about that. Yeah,

1495
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:21,800
Speaker 1: that's an interesting thought. Yeah, and there's been This has

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01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:24,280
Speaker 1: been addressed over the years as well. There's a there's

1497
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:27,000
Speaker 1: a article that goes back all the way to twenty

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01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 1: and sixteen where he laid it out and said, listen,

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01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 1: you have four instead of two conferences, you have four

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01:17:31,479 --> 01:17:35,040
Speaker 1: conferences with eight teams in each conference. And you go

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01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 1: from there. You know, there's a there's an East, West, North,

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01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:43,880
Speaker 1: and South Conference with eight teams in each conference divisions

1503
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:47,160
Speaker 1: of four, and you go from there and you and you,

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01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:49,640
Speaker 1: and you break it down further into AFC instead of

1505
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 1: AFC NFC, it's East, West, South, and North and you

1506
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 1: have eight eight team conferences. That's a little bit more

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01:17:56,040 --> 01:18:00,120
Speaker 1: collegiate for me than than normal. But there's with like

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01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:02,679
Speaker 1: I said before, thirty two teams makes it really easy

1509
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 1: to break this up a number of different ways. The

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01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 1: thing that gets in the way if you are going

1511
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:10,960
Speaker 1: to do anything geographically that it's not set up for that.

1512
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:14,840
Speaker 1: You have ten teams in the northeast. You have seven

1513
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 1: that are west in the western half of the state

1514
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 1: of the country. I mean, it's just so vast in

1515
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:23,120
Speaker 1: the western side of the country and they're so compact

1516
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 1: up in the northeast. Geography doesn't work out with thirty

1517
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:28,439
Speaker 1: two teams and how that works. So you can just

1518
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:30,519
Speaker 1: get off of that. You got to do it some

1519
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 1: other way in my opinion, and I just I'm kind

1520
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:36,360
Speaker 1: of with you. You're not trying. There's nothing to fix,

1521
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:38,639
Speaker 1: nothing to solve here, and you're trying to think you're

1522
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:42,519
Speaker 1: trying to improve something that's you know, that's the eight

1523
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 1: hundred pound gorilla already. I mean, what are you gonna do?

1524
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:48,320
Speaker 1: And I'm a little bit of the mind that if

1525
01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:50,600
Speaker 1: it's not broken, let's let's not try and fix it.

1526
01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:52,720
Speaker 1: I'd go for it. I'd be all right with it.

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01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:54,680
Speaker 1: We are and we'll listen. We're just there's no plan

1528
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:57,840
Speaker 1: to fix it. This is just an article that came

1529
01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:00,600
Speaker 1: out and he said, you know, you thought would be

1530
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:03,320
Speaker 1: fun to think about day And I'm not laughing an

1531
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 1: Earth Day or fuel conservation, that's very important. But these trips,

1532
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:09,600
Speaker 1: the's NFL teams taking the big picture. Yeah, this is

1533
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 1: dropping the bucket. Don't amount to much in terms of

1534
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:16,080
Speaker 1: fuel consumption. Come on, man, come on and listen. I

1535
01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:20,160
Speaker 1: don't even think the Patriots used two different planes to travel,

1536
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:23,679
Speaker 1: So does the Billy forget one plane anymore? They're using

1537
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 1: two planes ones you know that? Yeah, the money the

1538
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 1: Bills are going for five days on a road trip

1539
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 1: during training camp with everyone and they're taking everybody, me

1540
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:45,800
Speaker 1: and you we're going. I mean, we're like, we're like,

1541
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:50,040
Speaker 1: you know, we could we could do our show from

1542
01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:54,800
Speaker 1: a phone booth, right. I used to and they're taking

1543
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:57,760
Speaker 1: what we kind of need to be there to be live.

1544
01:19:57,800 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 1: But you know what I mean, I mean, yeah, the

1545
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:05,240
Speaker 1: travel is irrelevant. One more from the tweet sheet from Aaron,

1546
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:08,280
Speaker 1: who's given us a little thought. He goes, I'm fifty

1547
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 1: fifty on moving out of the AFC East. Just doesn't

1548
01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 1: feel like the division means as much as when we

1549
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 1: were all at each other's throats in the eighties and nineties.

1550
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:19,639
Speaker 1: Could all just be a symptom of Patriots dominance, which

1551
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:23,280
Speaker 1: has rendered the rivalries meaningless squished the fish used to

1552
01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:25,960
Speaker 1: have somebody, Aaron, I think you're you're you're onto something.

1553
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:27,720
Speaker 1: I think you're partly right. It is, I think a

1554
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:30,479
Speaker 1: symptom of the Patriots dominance. They haven't just rolled the

1555
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:32,360
Speaker 1: bills for the last twenty years. They've done it to

1556
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:35,080
Speaker 1: the Jets, They've done it to the Dolphins as well

1557
01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 1: the Patriots. We were all at each other others throats

1558
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:40,479
Speaker 1: in the eighties and nineties. You played in the eighties

1559
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:43,320
Speaker 1: and nineties, did you care about the Patriots back then?

1560
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 1: I mean, did you consider them a major arrival? Or

1561
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:47,200
Speaker 1: how are we going to beat the Patriots? Where you're

1562
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:49,599
Speaker 1: thinking about the Patriots and in the middle of June

1563
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 1: back in the eighties and nineties, I don't think so.

1564
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:53,360
Speaker 1: Do you really think the Patriots think of the Bills

1565
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:56,200
Speaker 1: as arrival? No, I don't write, and they don't think

1566
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:58,639
Speaker 1: of the Dolphins as arrival either because of the Patriots.

1567
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 1: It is not because of the Patriots. I think it's

1568
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:02,880
Speaker 1: that the division doesn't mean as much. Like I'm pretty

1569
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:06,400
Speaker 1: certain in the NFC North that the Bears and the

1570
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:09,000
Speaker 1: Packers and the Vikings and the Lions, maybe to a

1571
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:12,800
Speaker 1: lesser extent, they consider each other rivals, their historic rivals, right,

1572
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:16,240
Speaker 1: they consider each other rivals when what happens, and I

1573
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:20,080
Speaker 1: said it, I'll say it again. Rivalries happen when two

1574
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:24,880
Speaker 1: teams are playing for something that matters, and the Packers

1575
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 1: and the Bears it matters because they've been playing for

1576
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:33,439
Speaker 1: so long. It's it's like a collegiate rivalry almost. You know,

1577
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:36,360
Speaker 1: it's one hundred and hundredth meeting of these two teams.

1578
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 1: I get that, but man, it's been forever since they

1579
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:44,639
Speaker 1: played for a playoff spot. You know, it's been forever

1580
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:47,080
Speaker 1: when they when they've played where the division was actually

1581
01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 1: on the line between one or two of them, one

1582
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 1: of them could have clinched the division, but the other

1583
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:54,080
Speaker 1: one had nothing riding I don't except to spoil the

1584
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:56,400
Speaker 1: other season. It wasn't like those two are playing for

1585
01:21:56,439 --> 01:21:59,599
Speaker 1: the division title that week in Week fifteen or week seventeen.

1586
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 1: That hasn't happened in decades, if ever, you know, rivalries

1587
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:07,840
Speaker 1: happened when you got a two teams that are trying

1588
01:22:07,880 --> 01:22:09,280
Speaker 1: to get in the playoffs and one of them is

1589
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:12,000
Speaker 1: and one of them isn't, or one I'm gonna advance

1590
01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:15,040
Speaker 1: in the playoffs and the other one isn't. In history matters,

1591
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:17,519
Speaker 1: I think too. History. I was just thinking a couple

1592
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:20,080
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, we had Howard Eskin on right sideline

1593
01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:22,720
Speaker 1: reporter talking about the Eagles, and I think we asked

1594
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 1: him something about Washington the Redskins. He just trashed him

1595
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:28,400
Speaker 1: because it was like a reflex as Washington, and I

1596
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:31,120
Speaker 1: thought he hates him. Yeah, and that's a function of

1597
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:35,719
Speaker 1: those two teams being true historic rivalry rivals for for years,

1598
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:39,840
Speaker 1: for decades, for decades. That that that matters. You're right

1599
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:44,200
Speaker 1: on Twitter, Aaron. We don't have that in the MC East,

1600
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:46,880
Speaker 1: and it's because the Patriots have just steamrolled everybody. Ye

1601
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:49,879
Speaker 1: for twenty years that there's nobody. There's nobody the Patriots

1602
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:52,040
Speaker 1: feel like, Okay, that's our game. This year they were

1603
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:56,040
Speaker 1: circling that game on the collum. I mean the Patriots

1604
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 1: and Colts were rivals different divisions for during that My

1605
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:02,599
Speaker 1: time is as a bill. It was the Dolphins constantly.

1606
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:04,439
Speaker 1: The last couple of years. The Patriots in chiefs have

1607
01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:06,680
Speaker 1: a pretty good rivalry going in and it was the

1608
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:09,920
Speaker 1: Patriots and the Patriots would go to Baltimore, went there twice.

1609
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:15,160
Speaker 1: Uh No, it wasn't. It was I'm thinking. I'm thinking

1610
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:18,160
Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens, the Pittsburgh Steelers. They met into you know,

1611
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 1: championship games. You know, I mean divisional rivalry games, so

1612
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:25,360
Speaker 1: in the playoffs two years in a row. So it

1613
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:28,479
Speaker 1: those games matter. One team goes home and the other

1614
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:31,800
Speaker 1: one keeps going. That that sticks with you in the offseason.

1615
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:34,400
Speaker 1: Your fan base wants a piece of those guys next year.

1616
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:38,720
Speaker 1: That brings them, you know, that stokes some passion. You know,

1617
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:41,920
Speaker 1: trying to win one out of the sixteen games you've

1618
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 1: played in these guys in the last eight years, it

1619
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:46,719
Speaker 1: does not really stoke the passion. You know what I'm saying.

1620
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:48,920
Speaker 1: Ye all right, a break, We're back with more One

1621
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Speaker 1: Bill's Live from One Bill's Driving. This is Buffalo Bill's Ready,

1622
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:05,360
Speaker 1: Welcome back, John Murphy, Steve Tasker muscling through this day,

1623
01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:09,120
Speaker 1: this Wednesday show here talking about realignment, division re enroignment

1624
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:12,559
Speaker 1: for no reason. It's not happening fun to think about.

1625
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:17,599
Speaker 1: I don't done as much as I do obviously, I've

1626
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:21,080
Speaker 1: always thought about it. Why just because I think, I

1627
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:24,360
Speaker 1: think what it would be like for fans to be

1628
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:27,200
Speaker 1: to go to different cities, or I have different teams

1629
01:24:27,240 --> 01:24:29,880
Speaker 1: come in and the ram, the ripple effects and that

1630
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:32,120
Speaker 1: those things we always talk about with rule changes, like

1631
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 1: unintended consequences. What it would What would it be like

1632
01:24:35,240 --> 01:24:39,280
Speaker 1: in a big picture if every team was in the

1633
01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:42,479
Speaker 1: division with its four closest proximit people, you know, teams

1634
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:46,479
Speaker 1: in cities in proximity, So it would be Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Buffalo,

1635
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:48,880
Speaker 1: and who else? Would it be Detroit or would it

1636
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:52,560
Speaker 1: be Indianapolis or Cincinnati one of those two? You know?

1637
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:57,959
Speaker 1: But yeah, okay, sort of be Detroit, Buffalo, Pittsburgh and Cleveland.

1638
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:02,439
Speaker 1: And then think of the jet fuel. Yeah, but I

1639
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:04,679
Speaker 1: think I think of the road trips that the fans

1640
01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:07,519
Speaker 1: would have. You would get so familiar with the difference

1641
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:12,000
Speaker 1: between Detroit fans and Cleveland fans and Pittsburgh fans and

1642
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:16,360
Speaker 1: vice versa, and it you'd get so familiar, like you

1643
01:25:16,439 --> 01:25:19,479
Speaker 1: get so familiar with roads stadiums too, because you'd be

1644
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:21,880
Speaker 1: going to those stadiums. Now you go like you go

1645
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:24,120
Speaker 1: to Dolphins games. Nobody you know, I don't see a

1646
01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:26,439
Speaker 1: lot of bills fans going to New England, you know,

1647
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:28,880
Speaker 1: you know, go too much to the Jet games, you

1648
01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:31,759
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Everybody goes to Miami. That's the destination,

1649
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 1: the one road trip they're gonna take because they go

1650
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 1: down and get hit the beach in the in the

1651
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:37,519
Speaker 1: October and November. Yeah, I've got a lot of bills.

1652
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:39,800
Speaker 1: Fans would look at bar closing times is maybe the

1653
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:42,040
Speaker 1: determining factor. Who do you want in the division? What

1654
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:44,360
Speaker 1: time of the bars closed there? What I am I'm

1655
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:46,439
Speaker 1: on board with I'm on board with that. But you

1656
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:48,479
Speaker 1: would know that. But because you go there every year,

1657
01:25:48,520 --> 01:25:51,360
Speaker 1: you know, you can make every trip to Detroit. It'd

1658
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:53,200
Speaker 1: be you say, yeah, we're gonna make our while we

1659
01:25:53,240 --> 01:25:55,000
Speaker 1: were there, before we left, we made our reservations for

1660
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:57,400
Speaker 1: next year. You know the kind of thing, right, Yeah,

1661
01:25:57,520 --> 01:25:59,800
Speaker 1: So I think it'd be a lot of fun for

1662
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:01,640
Speaker 1: that reason. So I think about it a lot. And

1663
01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:03,800
Speaker 1: and you look at the map, you know where all

1664
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:05,880
Speaker 1: the arrows are that we had, you know, all those

1665
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:09,519
Speaker 1: teams are, and you got like New England, New York,

1666
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:13,160
Speaker 1: New York, Philly and there's you know, they're close enough,

1667
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:15,320
Speaker 1: but you know who cares about them anyway, you know

1668
01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:17,200
Speaker 1: what I mean, So you kind of you kind of

1669
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:19,280
Speaker 1: get selfish. You know, it'd be good for us, for

1670
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:21,280
Speaker 1: Kansas City, it kind of stinks because they're having to

1671
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:25,840
Speaker 1: go to Seattle or someplace, right, So you know, there's

1672
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:28,160
Speaker 1: both sides of that story. So I've always thought about it,

1673
01:26:28,160 --> 01:26:30,960
Speaker 1: always thought it was fun, and living through it a

1674
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:35,080
Speaker 1: couple of times, was it. I gotta I gotta say,

1675
01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:38,160
Speaker 1: I'm thinking back on it's like, wow, it seems traumatic now.

1676
01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:42,320
Speaker 1: But think about Seattle fans. They started out in the

1677
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:49,040
Speaker 1: AFC AFC West, then they went to the NFC. Now

1678
01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:51,320
Speaker 1: they're in the NFC West, so they you know, they

1679
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:55,479
Speaker 1: switched conferences and everything and they or whatever, and so

1680
01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:58,519
Speaker 1: did the Colts went from from the Baltimore Colts the

1681
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:01,840
Speaker 1: old NFC now they're in the AFE. That's I don't

1682
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:04,880
Speaker 1: know met in Lancaster. Hello, Matt, Welcome to the show.

1683
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:09,320
Speaker 1: Al you guys love the conversation and I love the

1684
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:13,680
Speaker 1: unintended consequences. A task are always talks about. I'm gonna rehash. Yeah,

1685
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:15,519
Speaker 1: it might have been my old buddy tells so that

1686
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:17,680
Speaker 1: through and out there, years and years ago. Well, my

1687
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:20,760
Speaker 1: question is simple, and it actually there are issues. I

1688
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:22,519
Speaker 1: guess you said, well, there's no problem. What are we

1689
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:24,960
Speaker 1: trying to solve? I think there are some problems. Well,

1690
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:28,880
Speaker 1: my solution is to say, why do we need divisions?

1691
01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:32,080
Speaker 1: Why can't we can have the NF seed and everybody

1692
01:27:32,240 --> 01:27:35,280
Speaker 1: play everybody in the NFC and then you know that

1693
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:38,760
Speaker 1: the top six teams are making the playoffs. Yeah, a

1694
01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:41,120
Speaker 1: round robin thing in the conference. Then you don't play

1695
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:43,840
Speaker 1: any out of conference games like no NFC games on

1696
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:47,200
Speaker 1: the bill schedule. You're gonna need You're gonna need an

1697
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:48,960
Speaker 1: extra gift or two in there. The thing on how

1698
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:50,720
Speaker 1: what they do with the contending the schedule, and you

1699
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:54,000
Speaker 1: could work that in. But to me, while it's cool

1700
01:27:54,040 --> 01:27:57,320
Speaker 1: to go down to Tennessee once every twelve years, find

1701
01:27:57,360 --> 01:27:59,680
Speaker 1: a family down there, I'd like to go down every here.

1702
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:02,960
Speaker 1: Why do I need to have Miami twice? Why don't

1703
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:05,320
Speaker 1: I just had in Miami once? And we literally did

1704
01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:08,080
Speaker 1: every team and the as T plays every other team

1705
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:09,679
Speaker 1: in the ASC. And you can mix this a couple

1706
01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 1: of NFC games in there, get still in weeks. But

1707
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:14,320
Speaker 1: then the playoff picture, it's a whole act a lot

1708
01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:16,880
Speaker 1: easier because now it's just it's got the best top

1709
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:21,240
Speaker 1: six records. And that I said to head, well, there'd

1710
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:24,839
Speaker 1: be fifteen games on your schedule right there within AFC teams.

1711
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:30,080
Speaker 1: You'd have like one out of conference game. Um sure, yeah, yeah,

1712
01:28:30,439 --> 01:28:33,599
Speaker 1: I mean I get it. And I think that makes

1713
01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:35,559
Speaker 1: a little more sense than some of the realignment talking

1714
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:37,519
Speaker 1: things we're talking about. If you just get rid of

1715
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:38,880
Speaker 1: it and make it a round robin and make it

1716
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:41,960
Speaker 1: like it's an enormous pyramid, you'd have to you'd have

1717
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 1: to win. But um wow, tiebreakers would be a crusher. Maybe,

1718
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:51,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. Anybody would have common opponents though, your

1719
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:53,840
Speaker 1: only common opponents, so that it's just head to head.

1720
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:56,840
Speaker 1: You know, a couple of teams tied for six place, well,

1721
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:00,960
Speaker 1: and that de terms, there's no more charities. Your point

1722
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:04,280
Speaker 1: scored or all these trazy third and fourth level tiber

1723
01:29:04,280 --> 01:29:08,599
Speaker 1: ankers because everybody's played everybody, and I mean, it would

1724
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:11,479
Speaker 1: just make it simple. The other thing, don't make it fair.

1725
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 1: As Burke just brought up with always having to go

1726
01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:17,439
Speaker 1: fire distances, Well, this takes care of that because the

1727
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:20,439
Speaker 1: team is traveling roughly the same out of distance you're

1728
01:29:20,479 --> 01:29:23,840
Speaker 1: going back and forth to all the others. What problem

1729
01:29:23,880 --> 01:29:25,479
Speaker 1: are you trying to solve here? I guess Matt. You

1730
01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:27,639
Speaker 1: said there are problems to be solved at the front

1731
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:32,719
Speaker 1: end of your comments. What are we trying to fix, Matt?

1732
01:29:34,439 --> 01:29:37,439
Speaker 1: We'll never know. Robing and Road, I have another Rob

1733
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:41,880
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. Thanks guys. Um. I'm all for

1734
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:43,960
Speaker 1: not changing it, but if I had to, I would

1735
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:46,519
Speaker 1: do with geography and keep all the state, all the

1736
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:49,600
Speaker 1: teams in New York together. There was only one in

1737
01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:53,200
Speaker 1: New York. No, you got two New York's in Buffalo.

1738
01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:56,160
Speaker 1: You got two New Jerseys in Buffalo. Well, they play

1739
01:29:56,200 --> 01:29:58,880
Speaker 1: in New Jersey, but New York. They practice in New

1740
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:03,519
Speaker 1: Jersey too. They can call themselves Alaskan. Go ahead, though,

1741
01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:06,280
Speaker 1: I get you, Jersey, I hear you. But the teams

1742
01:30:06,360 --> 01:30:09,920
Speaker 1: that play there right, just graphically I do it for that,

1743
01:30:10,120 --> 01:30:13,160
Speaker 1: I guess, But I mean a Patriots fan, the rivalry,

1744
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:15,720
Speaker 1: it's we don't like the Jets speak on the f

1745
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:19,120
Speaker 1: and Jets after that, we don't like Buffalo and Miami. Similar.

1746
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:21,519
Speaker 1: But I like having a rivalry, so it doesn't really

1747
01:30:21,640 --> 01:30:24,600
Speaker 1: matter to me about distance. But if I had to

1748
01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:27,840
Speaker 1: do it, I guess lumping as many teams close together,

1749
01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:31,400
Speaker 1: just close together, so this North places the South. And

1750
01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:33,720
Speaker 1: do you think that's Do you think that's would help

1751
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:35,880
Speaker 1: fans like make road trips, It would make it more

1752
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:38,600
Speaker 1: you make it more passionate, dur in the city, in

1753
01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:42,000
Speaker 1: the stadium with the ability for other fans to drive

1754
01:30:42,120 --> 01:30:44,160
Speaker 1: over in a day and get there and go to

1755
01:30:44,240 --> 01:30:46,960
Speaker 1: the game. Yeah, I think that was great. When you're

1756
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:50,840
Speaker 1: even saying about you said, Cleveland and Pittsburgh come on

1757
01:30:50,920 --> 01:30:55,519
Speaker 1: to fly Buffalo, I get that, but I mean I

1758
01:30:55,640 --> 01:30:58,559
Speaker 1: think it's it's not broke, don't fix it. I really

1759
01:30:58,600 --> 01:31:02,160
Speaker 1: don't see that rival reason aren't a thing. And then

1760
01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:06,240
Speaker 1: Dallas plays Philadelphia they hate each other. When you know

1761
01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:08,840
Speaker 1: the Rams play even when they play forty nine is

1762
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:10,760
Speaker 1: when they're good and they hate each other. You know what,

1763
01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:14,080
Speaker 1: that's good already. I don't think it needs to be changed.

1764
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:16,240
Speaker 1: But if you're really going to try to just well

1765
01:31:16,680 --> 01:31:19,599
Speaker 1: like murvous Joe can see gas, well, I guess put

1766
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:22,560
Speaker 1: them all together. Yeah, yeah, you're right, Robin. And the

1767
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:24,680
Speaker 1: crux of this whole thing is this, if you can

1768
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:28,320
Speaker 1: come up with a compelling reason to change it now,

1769
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:31,320
Speaker 1: when it really doesn't seem broken, I'd like to hear it,

1770
01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:34,160
Speaker 1: you know, because I don't think saving jet fuel is

1771
01:31:34,200 --> 01:31:37,800
Speaker 1: an answer. I certainly you know, don't think that. I'm

1772
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:42,040
Speaker 1: you know, it's the juggernaut on TV. They pull ratings

1773
01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:44,880
Speaker 1: like nobody's business. It's the most valuable commodity in the

1774
01:31:45,240 --> 01:31:49,840
Speaker 1: American media, as live NFL football games. I don't think

1775
01:31:49,880 --> 01:31:54,840
Speaker 1: there's you know, there's nothing that is glaring, glaringly wrong

1776
01:31:54,920 --> 01:31:57,559
Speaker 1: with it. If you can give me one of two things,

1777
01:31:58,479 --> 01:32:02,360
Speaker 1: a compelling reason to change it, because there would be, um,

1778
01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:06,160
Speaker 1: there's something to fix, or two if it would make

1779
01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:09,320
Speaker 1: it ten times better or significantly better than it is now,

1780
01:32:09,439 --> 01:32:12,439
Speaker 1: I'd listen. But I don't know that there that's out there.

1781
01:32:12,479 --> 01:32:16,280
Speaker 1: Even in all the all the possibilities we talked about today,

1782
01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:18,840
Speaker 1: all the crazy ones as well as the logical ones,

1783
01:32:19,200 --> 01:32:22,439
Speaker 1: there's nothing to fix, right, It really isn't. Yeah, it's fine,

1784
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:26,080
Speaker 1: it works fine. There are historical rivalries that have been preserved.

1785
01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:31,120
Speaker 1: There are some geographic weird notes that really don't matter. Yeah, yeah,

1786
01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:33,640
Speaker 1: the geography is beside the point. But we're used to

1787
01:32:33,720 --> 01:32:36,120
Speaker 1: jet travel. Right a break, We're back in a moment.

1788
01:32:36,160 --> 01:32:38,800
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about the Bills joint practices with

1789
01:32:39,040 --> 01:32:41,680
Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers. When we returned. Joe Person is going

1790
01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:44,679
Speaker 1: to join us from the Athletic in Charlotte. That's coming

1791
01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:46,560
Speaker 1: up next. One Bills Live from One Wheels Drive on

1792
01:32:46,640 --> 01:33:00,200
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills hellow Hills Radio Network. Stories. Update up comes

1793
01:33:00,200 --> 01:33:02,639
Speaker 1: from One Bills Drive. The Buffalo Bills making an announcement

1794
01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:04,360
Speaker 1: today about a couple of days in the middle of

1795
01:33:04,439 --> 01:33:07,799
Speaker 1: their training camp. They're headed south to Spartanburg, South Carolina

1796
01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:10,519
Speaker 1: at Wofford College where they will practice for two days

1797
01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:14,040
Speaker 1: joint practices with the Carolina Panthers at their training camp

1798
01:33:14,360 --> 01:33:18,519
Speaker 1: and Spartanburg August thirteen and fourteen, Tuesday and Wednesday that week.

1799
01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:21,000
Speaker 1: On Friday of that week, the Bills played their second

1800
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:24,720
Speaker 1: preseason game up against the Carolina Panthers, so joint practices

1801
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:28,599
Speaker 1: with the Carolina Panthers on Tuesday, August thirteenth, and Wednesday,

1802
01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:31,320
Speaker 1: August fourteenth for the Buffalo Bills. More on that coming

1803
01:33:31,400 --> 01:33:34,080
Speaker 1: up at just a moment Elsewhere in the NFL. Phil Savage,

1804
01:33:34,120 --> 01:33:37,240
Speaker 1: former executive director of the Senior Bowl, former Cleveland Browns

1805
01:33:37,320 --> 01:33:39,800
Speaker 1: General manager, is expected to join the New York Jets

1806
01:33:40,120 --> 01:33:42,880
Speaker 1: personnel staff. His role his title not yet clear, but

1807
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:46,120
Speaker 1: the announcement is expected this week. It is a reunion

1808
01:33:46,160 --> 01:33:48,439
Speaker 1: for Savage and the new GM of the Jets, Joe Douglas.

1809
01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:51,880
Speaker 1: They worked together in Baltimore from two thousand until two

1810
01:33:51,960 --> 01:33:55,200
Speaker 1: thousand and five. Savage left the Senior Bowl last year

1811
01:33:55,280 --> 01:33:57,360
Speaker 1: for a chance to read the GM of the Arizona

1812
01:33:57,400 --> 01:34:00,320
Speaker 1: team in the Alliance of American Football, which folded before

1813
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:02,840
Speaker 1: the end of its first season. Phil Savage signing on

1814
01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:07,040
Speaker 1: with the New York Jets Hockey the NHL Awards coming

1815
01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:10,120
Speaker 1: up tonight, the bridgestone NHL Awards taking place tonight eight

1816
01:34:10,160 --> 01:34:13,240
Speaker 1: o'clock in Las Vegas. Sabers defenseman rest Mus Doling, a

1817
01:34:13,400 --> 01:34:15,800
Speaker 1: finalist for the Calder Trophy, is the best rookie in

1818
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:19,000
Speaker 1: the year. He led all defenseman rookies in points with

1819
01:34:19,160 --> 01:34:22,960
Speaker 1: forty four assists with thirty five and power play points

1820
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:26,120
Speaker 1: with twenty last year, finished second in goals with nine.

1821
01:34:26,439 --> 01:34:29,800
Speaker 1: NHL Awards Night coming up tonight, NBA Awards Night coming

1822
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:32,879
Speaker 1: up tomorrow night, and the Buffalo Bisens continue their homestand

1823
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:36,320
Speaker 1: tonight seven O five first pitch home against the Indianapolis Indians.

1824
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:38,760
Speaker 1: The herd loss of the Indians last night by a

1825
01:34:38,840 --> 01:34:41,680
Speaker 1: score of five to two. And that's the update from

1826
01:34:41,720 --> 01:34:44,439
Speaker 1: One Wheels Drive, Gen Murpheed Steve Tasker in our one

1827
01:34:44,520 --> 01:34:47,040
Speaker 1: Buffalo studio. We're gonna talk a little bit now about

1828
01:34:47,080 --> 01:34:50,439
Speaker 1: that joint practice schedule of Bills and the Carolina Panthers

1829
01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:53,120
Speaker 1: coming up in mid August. Joining us on the line

1830
01:34:53,200 --> 01:34:55,240
Speaker 1: right now, man who's been around the Panthers, covering them

1831
01:34:55,280 --> 01:34:57,880
Speaker 1: for the last decade, formerly with a Charlotte Observer, now

1832
01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:01,599
Speaker 1: staff writer for the Athletic dot Com in Charlotte, North Carolina.

1833
01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:04,040
Speaker 1: Joe Person online with us. Hello Joe, John Murphy and

1834
01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:07,360
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker up here in Buffalo. Thanks for joining us, Hey, gentlemen,

1835
01:35:07,439 --> 01:35:09,640
Speaker 1: thanks for having me on another opportunity for us to

1836
01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:12,160
Speaker 1: talk with you about all the many connections between the

1837
01:35:12,240 --> 01:35:17,160
Speaker 1: Bills and the Panthers. This one should come as no surprise, right, Yeah, this, Uh,

1838
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:19,960
Speaker 1: in a way, I'm a little surprised that it took

1839
01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:22,920
Speaker 1: so long to happen, But but it actually makes sense

1840
01:35:23,040 --> 01:35:25,879
Speaker 1: this year with of course the Bills coming to Charlotte

1841
01:35:26,200 --> 01:35:29,479
Speaker 1: to play in that I guess it's the second preseason game,

1842
01:35:29,720 --> 01:35:33,519
Speaker 1: and given Brandon Bean and Sewn mc dermott's and for

1843
01:35:33,640 --> 01:35:37,719
Speaker 1: that matter, Dan Morgan's familiarity with you know, with Wafford

1844
01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:41,080
Speaker 1: and the set up the Panthers having Spartanburg, South Carolina,

1845
01:35:42,280 --> 01:35:44,479
Speaker 1: it's a no brainer for sure. Yeah, it seems like

1846
01:35:44,760 --> 01:35:47,280
Speaker 1: a lot of the Bills personnel coming down, they're going

1847
01:35:47,320 --> 01:35:49,000
Speaker 1: to have some experience of what it's like to get

1848
01:35:49,040 --> 01:35:52,639
Speaker 1: around in at Watford campus. Uh, what do you expect

1849
01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:55,160
Speaker 1: this to? This to be like a couple of practices

1850
01:35:55,320 --> 01:35:57,439
Speaker 1: and you know, just a chance to get a look

1851
01:35:57,479 --> 01:35:59,200
Speaker 1: at some other faces. How's it going to affect the

1852
01:35:59,240 --> 01:36:00,640
Speaker 1: game that they're gonna play at the end of these

1853
01:36:00,680 --> 01:36:04,559
Speaker 1: two practices? Yeah, you know what I mean. I haven't

1854
01:36:04,600 --> 01:36:08,280
Speaker 1: done a deep dive into the Bills kind of roster machinations,

1855
01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:11,200
Speaker 1: but I could tell you from the Panthers perspective, Ron

1856
01:36:11,320 --> 01:36:15,280
Speaker 1: Rivera is installed, you know, pretty well overhauled his defense

1857
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:18,840
Speaker 1: this off season, going from a base four three to

1858
01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:23,160
Speaker 1: a three four base and you know, with with plenty

1859
01:36:23,240 --> 01:36:26,680
Speaker 1: of hybrid and variations of each. But but make no

1860
01:36:27,040 --> 01:36:29,400
Speaker 1: mistake about it, like a first a lot of first

1861
01:36:29,439 --> 01:36:31,200
Speaker 1: and second downs, they're going to be in a three

1862
01:36:31,240 --> 01:36:34,200
Speaker 1: man front. And so I think that's going to be

1863
01:36:34,520 --> 01:36:38,840
Speaker 1: really key for the Panthers, uh, you know, DEFENSEI front,

1864
01:36:38,880 --> 01:36:43,479
Speaker 1: their linebackers all involved, to get a real look in

1865
01:36:43,640 --> 01:36:47,840
Speaker 1: real time drills, you know, against some big boy offensive lineman,

1866
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:50,439
Speaker 1: you know, not just going you know, against their own

1867
01:36:50,520 --> 01:36:54,479
Speaker 1: guys in sort of such drills the first week or two.

1868
01:36:54,640 --> 01:36:57,519
Speaker 1: But I think I think more than anything, and you know,

1869
01:36:57,640 --> 01:37:00,720
Speaker 1: obviously we'll see at that point kind of where Cam

1870
01:37:00,840 --> 01:37:04,280
Speaker 1: Newton's shoulder is. You know, all the all the quarterbacks

1871
01:37:04,360 --> 01:37:07,000
Speaker 1: will have the red jersey's gone where they're off limits

1872
01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:10,800
Speaker 1: and in the practices. But but but it'll be a

1873
01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:14,120
Speaker 1: chance potentially for Cam Newton to work on his timing

1874
01:37:14,439 --> 01:37:17,080
Speaker 1: after sitting out all of OTAs in mini camp. What

1875
01:37:17,439 --> 01:37:20,599
Speaker 1: do you anticipate, like, well, Newton get a full workload

1876
01:37:20,840 --> 01:37:22,840
Speaker 1: in the two weeks of camp before the Bills get there,

1877
01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:25,280
Speaker 1: or he'll be still slowly getting back into the swing

1878
01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:27,719
Speaker 1: of things. What's the plan for him this summer. Well,

1879
01:37:27,800 --> 01:37:29,840
Speaker 1: it's hard to tell. It's a great question because two

1880
01:37:29,960 --> 01:37:33,080
Speaker 1: years ago, after his first shoulder soldiery, he was on

1881
01:37:33,200 --> 01:37:35,280
Speaker 1: a pitch count for the first couple two and a

1882
01:37:35,320 --> 01:37:38,960
Speaker 1: half weeks of camp, for most of camp, and uh,

1883
01:37:39,400 --> 01:37:41,880
Speaker 1: you know, ended up being fine. You know, it didn't

1884
01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:46,200
Speaker 1: miss anytime during the regular season, but that that offseason

1885
01:37:46,280 --> 01:37:50,479
Speaker 1: he had soldiers in March. This year, they did it earlier.

1886
01:37:51,120 --> 01:37:53,880
Speaker 1: They made the determination in January, and he went ahead

1887
01:37:53,880 --> 01:37:56,360
Speaker 1: and went under the knife. So he is ahead of schedule.

1888
01:37:56,840 --> 01:37:59,519
Speaker 1: So you know, i'd hate the guests, but I would

1889
01:37:59,600 --> 01:38:02,400
Speaker 1: think that, you know, it's just based on what I

1890
01:38:02,520 --> 01:38:06,120
Speaker 1: saw him throwing on the side in a very limited

1891
01:38:06,160 --> 01:38:09,920
Speaker 1: basis in individual drills last week with minicamp, that he

1892
01:38:10,240 --> 01:38:13,040
Speaker 1: that he might be uh, you know, green lighted for

1893
01:38:13,160 --> 01:38:15,599
Speaker 1: the most part when the Bills come to him. One

1894
01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:17,320
Speaker 1: of the guys that helped him get through that first

1895
01:38:17,360 --> 01:38:20,519
Speaker 1: sold shoulder surgery was his quarterback coach Ken Dorsey used

1896
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:23,080
Speaker 1: Now with the Bills. What does Ken Dorsey bring to

1897
01:38:23,200 --> 01:38:26,160
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills and their young quarterback Josh Allen that

1898
01:38:26,280 --> 01:38:29,720
Speaker 1: he brought to cam Newton so many years ago. You know,

1899
01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:34,080
Speaker 1: I think Dorsey's pretty relatable. You know, it's you know,

1900
01:38:34,240 --> 01:38:36,960
Speaker 1: like you're talking to a guy that played forty years ago.

1901
01:38:37,040 --> 01:38:39,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, he's he didn't play yesterday. I

1902
01:38:39,280 --> 01:38:42,519
Speaker 1: get it, But but you know, he had very you know,

1903
01:38:42,640 --> 01:38:45,000
Speaker 1: he had success at the high level, at the highest

1904
01:38:45,080 --> 01:38:48,320
Speaker 1: level at the collegiate game. I mean, you know whatever

1905
01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:53,160
Speaker 1: that record was fully eight wins at Miami was Pully

1906
01:38:53,320 --> 01:38:58,240
Speaker 1: Stoller and kenas was respective Europe and still is. I mean,

1907
01:38:58,280 --> 01:39:00,639
Speaker 1: he you know, they they got to a point where

1908
01:39:00,880 --> 01:39:05,720
Speaker 1: Cam Newton and the offense at stagnated a bill and

1909
01:39:06,200 --> 01:39:09,360
Speaker 1: and you know, Mike Schuler was kind of was certainly

1910
01:39:09,400 --> 01:39:12,120
Speaker 1: going to be the first to go, but Dorsey kind

1911
01:39:12,160 --> 01:39:14,880
Speaker 1: of got swapped off in that, you know, in that

1912
01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:17,439
Speaker 1: same transaction, and you weren't going to get rid of

1913
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:21,360
Speaker 1: the Panthers, uh, weren't going to get rid of offensive

1914
01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:25,760
Speaker 1: coordinator Mike Schuler and lead Ken Dorsey here. So it

1915
01:39:25,960 --> 01:39:28,560
Speaker 1: was it was a package deal in replacing them with

1916
01:39:28,760 --> 01:39:32,880
Speaker 1: Nork and Scott Turner, which the Panthers obviously is so

1917
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:36,160
Speaker 1: good about. But but you know, I think most people

1918
01:39:36,200 --> 01:39:38,800
Speaker 1: will talk to around Charlotte at good things say about

1919
01:39:38,840 --> 01:39:41,559
Speaker 1: Ken Dorson on the line with Joe Person, staff writer

1920
01:39:41,720 --> 01:39:44,040
Speaker 1: for the Athletic Covers of Carolina Panthers. The Bills are

1921
01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:46,639
Speaker 1: going there to practice with the Panthers in mid August

1922
01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:48,600
Speaker 1: for a couple of days before they play him in

1923
01:39:48,640 --> 01:39:51,760
Speaker 1: a preseason game. Joe is round Rivera and his team

1924
01:39:51,920 --> 01:39:54,519
Speaker 1: done this with other teams in the past. Because McDermott

1925
01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:57,000
Speaker 1: is not in his two plus years here with the

1926
01:39:57,040 --> 01:39:59,560
Speaker 1: Bills so far as is h Rivera done this in

1927
01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:02,599
Speaker 1: the past. What do you anticipating? How much advance work

1928
01:40:02,640 --> 01:40:05,280
Speaker 1: do they do getting ready and kind of informing of

1929
01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:08,280
Speaker 1: each other what their plans are for these practices. Yeah,

1930
01:40:08,439 --> 01:40:11,000
Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting. It was the two thoughts of

1931
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:15,120
Speaker 1: the fifteen season and that was the last and only

1932
01:40:15,200 --> 01:40:18,040
Speaker 1: time the Panthers have done this, and the Dolphins came in.

1933
01:40:18,160 --> 01:40:20,040
Speaker 1: It was right around the same time at camp. I

1934
01:40:20,120 --> 01:40:23,519
Speaker 1: think it was the second preseason week, and you know,

1935
01:40:23,640 --> 01:40:26,200
Speaker 1: it's just made sense to kind of close camp against

1936
01:40:26,240 --> 01:40:30,400
Speaker 1: the Dolphins before they played in Charlotte. And the Dolphins

1937
01:40:30,479 --> 01:40:35,680
Speaker 1: defensive line, which I'm pretty sure and don to can

1938
01:40:35,720 --> 01:40:39,479
Speaker 1: sue and uh, you know, they're great art rushers. They

1939
01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:43,040
Speaker 1: just really hate the Panthers lunch that week, to the

1940
01:40:43,160 --> 01:40:46,040
Speaker 1: point that there was a story from the Miami side

1941
01:40:46,080 --> 01:40:50,280
Speaker 1: of things that you know, Rivera had kind of asked

1942
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:54,160
Speaker 1: to do a few journals, not full speed when they

1943
01:40:54,200 --> 01:40:58,720
Speaker 1: were going against both offensive and defensive lines. Rivera adamantly

1944
01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:01,439
Speaker 1: denied that. But the point of the matter being, the

1945
01:41:01,600 --> 01:41:05,280
Speaker 1: Panthers look like they couldn't handle anybody that that that

1946
01:41:05,520 --> 01:41:08,200
Speaker 1: Jew and August love and behold they end up, you know,

1947
01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:10,840
Speaker 1: going on fifteen and one and going on to the

1948
01:41:10,920 --> 01:41:14,479
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I think the Dolphins, uh, you know, I think,

1949
01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:17,160
Speaker 1: I don't. They kicked around maybe six and ten, seven nine,

1950
01:41:17,200 --> 01:41:19,760
Speaker 1: if memory serves, so you never know, you know, you

1951
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:22,000
Speaker 1: don't want to put it. I learned a lesson that

1952
01:41:22,160 --> 01:41:24,760
Speaker 1: year that don't put too much stock and you know,

1953
01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:30,000
Speaker 1: I don't whoever looks like the All Star team in middle. Yeah. Well,

1954
01:41:30,479 --> 01:41:32,439
Speaker 1: and that's true because there's there's a lot of things

1955
01:41:32,479 --> 01:41:36,040
Speaker 1: that happened between training camp and let in your fourth

1956
01:41:36,120 --> 01:41:38,840
Speaker 1: preseason game, let alone your second one, were I ask

1957
01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:42,479
Speaker 1: you about Cam Newton, what are the expectations for him

1958
01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:44,720
Speaker 1: coming into his ninth season with Carolina? Mean, he's the

1959
01:41:44,760 --> 01:41:48,160
Speaker 1: first overall guy in two thousand and eleven. A couple

1960
01:41:48,200 --> 01:41:50,880
Speaker 1: of shoulder surgeries, he's been to a Super Bowl. What

1961
01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:55,760
Speaker 1: are the expectations for him? Yeah, I mean yeah, hi,

1962
01:41:56,080 --> 01:41:58,560
Speaker 1: I mean they just like the said, I mean that

1963
01:41:58,760 --> 01:42:01,680
Speaker 1: this guy was the number one overall pick. He's been

1964
01:42:01,720 --> 01:42:04,240
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl, he's been an MVP, he's had played

1965
01:42:04,240 --> 01:42:07,000
Speaker 1: in one Super Bowl, and they've got to get him

1966
01:42:07,080 --> 01:42:10,479
Speaker 1: healthy and back to that level or or he who

1967
01:42:10,560 --> 01:42:13,200
Speaker 1: knows he may not be the quarterback in the future anymore.

1968
01:42:13,240 --> 01:42:16,320
Speaker 1: He is coming up in a contract year in uh

1969
01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:20,280
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. Uh. There's a very important year for him

1970
01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:23,000
Speaker 1: for Ron Rivera, and and it starts with, you know,

1971
01:42:23,160 --> 01:42:26,560
Speaker 1: the state and health of his right shoulder. As I

1972
01:42:26,680 --> 01:42:29,320
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, I think all the signs are pretty positive.

1973
01:42:29,720 --> 01:42:32,400
Speaker 1: But I don't know if that anybody knows in the

1974
01:42:32,439 --> 01:42:37,400
Speaker 1: Pantoms organization or Newton himself until he starts cranking it

1975
01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:40,679
Speaker 1: up and trying to throw full speed and to throw,

1976
01:42:41,040 --> 01:42:44,120
Speaker 1: you know, sixty yards down field. That's the biggest thing

1977
01:42:44,280 --> 01:42:47,160
Speaker 1: since his first shoulder certainty that I've seen. This was

1978
01:42:47,200 --> 01:42:49,719
Speaker 1: a guy who early in his career. I mean, yes, y'all,

1979
01:42:50,040 --> 01:42:53,120
Speaker 1: you know saw the you know, the improvisational plays he

1980
01:42:53,160 --> 01:42:56,160
Speaker 1: would make with his feet. But throwing the football wise,

1981
01:42:56,840 --> 01:42:59,680
Speaker 1: he had a cannon that was that was probably his

1982
01:43:00,200 --> 01:43:04,160
Speaker 1: his weapon. Again the downfield, he lacked the touch on

1983
01:43:04,680 --> 01:43:08,080
Speaker 1: underneaths and some of the intermediate throws. But since that

1984
01:43:08,240 --> 01:43:12,120
Speaker 1: first injury, they're down field passing game has been you know,

1985
01:43:12,320 --> 01:43:16,160
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily not existent, but certainly in effect and

1986
01:43:16,680 --> 01:43:19,639
Speaker 1: in the flip side is or Turner at least got

1987
01:43:19,720 --> 01:43:22,519
Speaker 1: Tom a little more efficient last year on some of

1988
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:25,160
Speaker 1: the shoulder balls to McCaffrey and the tight end and

1989
01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:28,040
Speaker 1: you know, kind of the underneath cross that I was

1990
01:43:28,080 --> 01:43:31,000
Speaker 1: talking about. So it's a huge you for Cam and

1991
01:43:31,400 --> 01:43:34,360
Speaker 1: for the Panthers. I'd be world can't overstate it enough.

1992
01:43:34,520 --> 01:43:37,360
Speaker 1: And you know, all eyes are going to be on him, right,

1993
01:43:37,880 --> 01:43:40,439
Speaker 1: I mean they are anyway, but even more so the

1994
01:43:40,479 --> 01:43:42,960
Speaker 1: issue Joe and know those will come up that week

1995
01:43:43,080 --> 01:43:44,840
Speaker 1: when we're down there in mid August. A lot of

1996
01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:48,360
Speaker 1: some people have compared the Bills Josh Allen to Cam

1997
01:43:48,439 --> 01:43:51,160
Speaker 1: Newton in style of play and maybe skill set. Do

1998
01:43:51,240 --> 01:43:53,679
Speaker 1: you see that? I don't, but I listen when people

1999
01:43:53,720 --> 01:43:56,280
Speaker 1: say that. Do you see that at all? Yeah? I

2000
01:43:56,360 --> 01:43:59,559
Speaker 1: mean I know he's not afraid to take off and run,

2001
01:43:59,640 --> 01:44:03,280
Speaker 1: and I'm pretty athletic for his size. But you know,

2002
01:44:03,400 --> 01:44:06,280
Speaker 1: I have a hard time comparing anyone to Cam Newton.

2003
01:44:06,400 --> 01:44:09,719
Speaker 1: I mean he's a different type of a different type

2004
01:44:09,760 --> 01:44:12,760
Speaker 1: of quarterback. I mean, you guys have seen him, I

2005
01:44:12,840 --> 01:44:16,120
Speaker 1: mean to walk you know if you want to cross

2006
01:44:16,240 --> 01:44:19,040
Speaker 1: him in the mall. And and someone said that's an

2007
01:44:19,120 --> 01:44:22,000
Speaker 1: NFL player. I guess he was a tight end or

2008
01:44:22,240 --> 01:44:25,439
Speaker 1: I mean like in an outside linebacker. I mean, uh,

2009
01:44:25,880 --> 01:44:28,160
Speaker 1: and you know, like I said, a lot of people

2010
01:44:28,320 --> 01:44:31,080
Speaker 1: take the shots at him over the course his chol

2011
01:44:31,320 --> 01:44:33,680
Speaker 1: You know that he's not this, He's not that, and

2012
01:44:33,800 --> 01:44:35,519
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to be. I mean Cam is sort

2013
01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:38,880
Speaker 1: of redefine I won't say he's redefine the position, but

2014
01:44:38,960 --> 01:44:40,439
Speaker 1: he sort of made it his own. I mean, he

2015
01:44:41,000 --> 01:44:43,320
Speaker 1: he knows what he's good at. He's trying to get

2016
01:44:43,400 --> 01:44:47,080
Speaker 1: better at the things that he has lacked in, and uh,

2017
01:44:47,520 --> 01:44:50,639
Speaker 1: you know it's gonna he is going to be very

2018
01:44:50,760 --> 01:44:53,760
Speaker 1: motivated this year. You can already be on his Instagram

2019
01:44:54,320 --> 01:44:57,400
Speaker 1: and when he's a few kind of media stuff that

2020
01:44:57,520 --> 01:45:02,320
Speaker 1: he's done this offseason. Don't believes to mean nobody thinks

2021
01:45:02,360 --> 01:45:04,640
Speaker 1: I can come back from this shoulder surgery. I mean,

2022
01:45:05,160 --> 01:45:08,160
Speaker 1: you know, whether he does or not. He definitely is

2023
01:45:08,160 --> 01:45:09,920
Speaker 1: going to play with the ship on his whole of

2024
01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:13,400
Speaker 1: this whole twenty nineteenth seasons where we are likely to

2025
01:45:13,479 --> 01:45:17,000
Speaker 1: see the rookie quarterback right the third rounder from West Virginia,

2026
01:45:17,040 --> 01:45:20,200
Speaker 1: Will Greer, pretty highly regarded guy. What are the hopes

2027
01:45:20,200 --> 01:45:21,400
Speaker 1: for him and what do he maybe do you think

2028
01:45:21,439 --> 01:45:25,000
Speaker 1: the ceiling is for him? Yeah? For sure. Also top

2029
01:45:25,040 --> 01:45:28,479
Speaker 1: guys just like here for the Athletic and was talking

2030
01:45:28,479 --> 01:45:32,320
Speaker 1: about Will grew and the story just uh, you know, No,

2031
01:45:32,520 --> 01:45:34,360
Speaker 1: I get that they didn't draft him in the first

2032
01:45:34,479 --> 01:45:36,840
Speaker 1: round of the top ten. I mean, but but that

2033
01:45:37,040 --> 01:45:40,040
Speaker 1: doesn't mean they don't have plans for him. I mean,

2034
01:45:40,320 --> 01:45:42,160
Speaker 1: so I think they feel like they got a pretty

2035
01:45:42,200 --> 01:45:45,040
Speaker 1: good value of getting Will Career with the hundredth pit

2036
01:45:45,240 --> 01:45:48,479
Speaker 1: late in the third round. I mean, he threw the

2037
01:45:48,560 --> 01:45:52,479
Speaker 1: ball all over the field at West Virginia and planted

2038
01:45:53,120 --> 01:45:56,320
Speaker 1: you know, the big twelve. It's not well regarded for

2039
01:45:56,400 --> 01:46:00,760
Speaker 1: his defenses. But but he's a he grew dad was

2040
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:03,960
Speaker 1: a high school very decorated high school coaching and show

2041
01:46:04,080 --> 01:46:07,560
Speaker 1: that he grew up around the game. Football is important

2042
01:46:07,600 --> 01:46:10,800
Speaker 1: to him. And you know, I think I think he

2043
01:46:11,360 --> 01:46:12,960
Speaker 1: certainly is going to get a lot of time to

2044
01:46:13,080 --> 01:46:15,519
Speaker 1: spring of this summer. He did get a lot of

2045
01:46:15,600 --> 01:46:19,679
Speaker 1: time to spring with Camp down, and I thought Pap

2046
01:46:19,840 --> 01:46:22,080
Speaker 1: was a really interested to see what they've got with

2047
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:25,920
Speaker 1: There's no real reason for Cam Newton to be motivated

2048
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:30,400
Speaker 1: by the presence of Will Greer, correct, No, I mean,

2049
01:46:30,479 --> 01:46:33,679
Speaker 1: I don't think it's necessarily a quarterback competition or anything

2050
01:46:33,800 --> 01:46:38,200
Speaker 1: like that. Um, but you know, they didn't have much

2051
01:46:38,400 --> 01:46:41,760
Speaker 1: that they didn't really have any bona fide NFL back

2052
01:46:41,880 --> 01:46:46,120
Speaker 1: up last year. They they Derek Anderson, you know, did

2053
01:46:46,240 --> 01:46:48,439
Speaker 1: not come back here and ended up, as you guys know,

2054
01:46:48,520 --> 01:46:51,240
Speaker 1: in Buffalo, and so they went kind of a young,

2055
01:46:51,360 --> 01:46:54,400
Speaker 1: untested room. They brought in a kid named Kaylor Heineke,

2056
01:46:54,600 --> 01:46:58,960
Speaker 1: who North had had in Minnesota, who was okay, you know,

2057
01:46:59,080 --> 01:47:02,320
Speaker 1: he you know, and it ended up kind of coming

2058
01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:04,760
Speaker 1: up late in the year because they finally had to

2059
01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:07,760
Speaker 1: shut Cam down and and maybe they would have a

2060
01:47:07,840 --> 01:47:11,120
Speaker 1: little earlier if they had had a veteran quarterback behind him.

2061
01:47:11,200 --> 01:47:14,479
Speaker 1: But and then in week seventeen they played Heineke got

2062
01:47:14,560 --> 01:47:17,200
Speaker 1: hurt in week sixteen, and then week seventeen they played

2063
01:47:17,200 --> 01:47:21,560
Speaker 1: a kid named Kyle Allen, who years ago was like

2064
01:47:21,760 --> 01:47:26,559
Speaker 1: the nation's number one quarterback prospect out of Phoenix went

2065
01:47:26,640 --> 01:47:29,280
Speaker 1: to Texas A and m transfer he was there with

2066
01:47:29,560 --> 01:47:32,680
Speaker 1: with with Kyler Murray. Actually both of them ended up

2067
01:47:32,720 --> 01:47:37,360
Speaker 1: transferring out. Kyle Allen had an undistinguished career at Houston then,

2068
01:47:37,479 --> 01:47:41,280
Speaker 1: but but you know, he looked good Week seventeen against

2069
01:47:41,320 --> 01:47:43,760
Speaker 1: the Saints team that was kind of pres not kind

2070
01:47:43,800 --> 01:47:47,320
Speaker 1: of they were preparing for the playoffs. You know, they

2071
01:47:47,400 --> 01:47:50,120
Speaker 1: didn't rest their defensive starters, but but you know, it

2072
01:47:50,280 --> 01:47:53,559
Speaker 1: wasn't the same kind of atmosphere in New Orleans. Guys

2073
01:47:53,640 --> 01:47:56,200
Speaker 1: I think will be battling for that number two position,

2074
01:47:56,320 --> 01:47:58,960
Speaker 1: and you know, at worst case scenario, would think they

2075
01:47:59,000 --> 01:48:02,840
Speaker 1: would plup will Greer on the practice squad. But they

2076
01:48:02,920 --> 01:48:05,080
Speaker 1: did that, there'd be a good chance someone would would

2077
01:48:05,160 --> 01:48:08,320
Speaker 1: swoop in and take him. How much work have Carolina?

2078
01:48:08,560 --> 01:48:12,479
Speaker 1: Has Carolina done on their offensive line? You know, not

2079
01:48:12,640 --> 01:48:14,800
Speaker 1: as much as you would think they made. They did

2080
01:48:14,840 --> 01:48:17,360
Speaker 1: a lot of work in the off season in terms

2081
01:48:17,439 --> 01:48:22,839
Speaker 1: of cutting Matt Khalil, Ryan Khalil retired. Uh, they signed

2082
01:48:22,920 --> 01:48:27,679
Speaker 1: Matt Paradise as center out of Denver. They resigned Darryl Williams,

2083
01:48:27,760 --> 01:48:29,760
Speaker 1: But none of those guys, A lot of those guys

2084
01:48:29,840 --> 01:48:33,040
Speaker 1: weren't able to work together in the spring, both Paradise

2085
01:48:33,280 --> 01:48:37,040
Speaker 1: and Daryl Williams there coming off of surgery front that

2086
01:48:37,160 --> 01:48:43,200
Speaker 1: that shortened their twenty eighteen seasons. So that was one thing.

2087
01:48:43,360 --> 01:48:46,240
Speaker 1: Ron Rivera said he was a little disappointed in at

2088
01:48:46,720 --> 01:48:49,240
Speaker 1: in terms of OTAs in minicamp that he just did

2089
01:48:49,320 --> 01:48:52,719
Speaker 1: not get a chance to really evaluate the offensive line

2090
01:48:53,040 --> 01:48:55,599
Speaker 1: and the one guy and this guy will be big

2091
01:48:55,960 --> 01:48:59,519
Speaker 1: the week Bills are in town. They drafted Greg Little,

2092
01:49:00,720 --> 01:49:03,840
Speaker 1: old Miss offensive tackle in the second round and they

2093
01:49:03,960 --> 01:49:06,360
Speaker 1: really hope he can be the left tackle. I mean,

2094
01:49:06,439 --> 01:49:09,320
Speaker 1: they haven't had a real solid left tackle here since

2095
01:49:09,479 --> 01:49:13,200
Speaker 1: Jordan Gross left about five years ago. Michael or had

2096
01:49:13,400 --> 01:49:15,200
Speaker 1: had a good year of the Super Bowl season, but

2097
01:49:15,280 --> 01:49:19,880
Speaker 1: then he had to retire due to concussion. But Greg Little,

2098
01:49:19,960 --> 01:49:22,640
Speaker 1: that's a lot to put on a rookie plate and

2099
01:49:22,880 --> 01:49:26,519
Speaker 1: on his shoulders, but it's basically he might hold the

2100
01:49:26,640 --> 01:49:29,040
Speaker 1: key to their success on the offensive line. Did you

2101
01:49:29,080 --> 01:49:32,160
Speaker 1: know how much if any pressure is on Ron Rivera

2102
01:49:32,240 --> 01:49:35,120
Speaker 1: to really advance and go deep this year in the playoffs?

2103
01:49:35,640 --> 01:49:37,720
Speaker 1: A lot, a lot for sure. I mean, you know,

2104
01:49:38,040 --> 01:49:40,479
Speaker 1: you guys know there's a new owner, David Temper, who

2105
01:49:40,560 --> 01:49:44,439
Speaker 1: came in last year. He's already done a lot on

2106
01:49:44,560 --> 01:49:48,880
Speaker 1: the business side of the organization. He was patient on

2107
01:49:49,000 --> 01:49:52,960
Speaker 1: the football side, other than you know, Rivera taking over

2108
01:49:53,040 --> 01:49:55,400
Speaker 1: the defense, and they got rid of a couple low

2109
01:49:55,520 --> 01:49:58,919
Speaker 1: level defensive coaches, but nothing like the kind of sweeping

2110
01:49:59,000 --> 01:50:03,560
Speaker 1: changes that you would see if if Ron Rivera and

2111
01:50:03,680 --> 01:50:07,160
Speaker 1: general manager Marty Herney aren't able to kind of author

2112
01:50:07,360 --> 01:50:10,479
Speaker 1: a you know, a return to the playoffs type of year.

2113
01:50:10,520 --> 01:50:14,160
Speaker 1: I mean, Dave Tapper came from the Steelers organization. He

2114
01:50:14,320 --> 01:50:17,839
Speaker 1: spent a record, you know, two point two billion dollars

2115
01:50:17,920 --> 01:50:21,479
Speaker 1: on this franchise. He didn't do that to go seven

2116
01:50:21,520 --> 01:50:24,519
Speaker 1: to nine and be sitting at home in January. What

2117
01:50:24,640 --> 01:50:26,760
Speaker 1: do they need to do before training camp starts? Is

2118
01:50:26,800 --> 01:50:29,839
Speaker 1: there any last minute buttoning up for the Carolina Panthers

2119
01:50:29,920 --> 01:50:34,080
Speaker 1: before they take tea it up? You know, not really.

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01:50:34,360 --> 01:50:36,280
Speaker 1: I mean, they've got a couple of you know, a

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01:50:36,360 --> 01:50:38,720
Speaker 1: couple of injured guys that you know that I think

2122
01:50:38,840 --> 01:50:42,120
Speaker 1: they're hoping they won't have to start, uh, you know,

2123
01:50:42,439 --> 01:50:46,720
Speaker 1: on the injured list at camp. Uh. They've got a

2124
01:50:46,800 --> 01:50:50,040
Speaker 1: young tight end, Ian Thomas, who missed all of OTA's

2125
01:50:50,080 --> 01:50:54,360
Speaker 1: who's really actually a good player. He really shined at

2126
01:50:54,479 --> 01:50:57,160
Speaker 1: parts of last year when when Greg Olsen was digged

2127
01:50:57,240 --> 01:51:01,400
Speaker 1: up with the foot injury. But yeah, they signed Greg Little.

2128
01:51:01,479 --> 01:51:03,880
Speaker 1: Today they've got you know, they've got one their first

2129
01:51:04,000 --> 01:51:06,840
Speaker 1: round pick, Brian Burns out of Florida State, the edge Rusher.

2130
01:51:07,120 --> 01:51:10,679
Speaker 1: He still has to sign. But but no, I don't

2131
01:51:10,720 --> 01:51:14,040
Speaker 1: you know. And really, and that's what I asked Ron Rivera,

2132
01:51:14,040 --> 01:51:16,080
Speaker 1: And he was a little last week and he was

2133
01:51:16,120 --> 01:51:18,600
Speaker 1: a little coy about what it would look like. But

2134
01:51:19,360 --> 01:51:24,240
Speaker 1: Cam Newton's continued rehab and continued progress is you know,

2135
01:51:24,479 --> 01:51:28,519
Speaker 1: really the story of of this summer. And I think

2136
01:51:28,600 --> 01:51:31,360
Speaker 1: some of it will happen here in Charlotte, but Cam

2137
01:51:31,520 --> 01:51:34,479
Speaker 1: spends some time too in Atlanta, where he grew up

2138
01:51:34,520 --> 01:51:37,120
Speaker 1: and where he has a house. I'm sure he's got

2139
01:51:37,280 --> 01:51:40,080
Speaker 1: plenty of facilities, maybe one in his own house where

2140
01:51:40,080 --> 01:51:42,479
Speaker 1: he can do do that kind of rehab. But the

2141
01:51:42,560 --> 01:51:45,360
Speaker 1: Panthers doctors and trainers are going to want to have

2142
01:51:45,439 --> 01:51:48,040
Speaker 1: a look at him at various two points between now

2143
01:51:48,160 --> 01:51:51,719
Speaker 1: in July twenty fourth, when the Panthers report, so lessing

2144
01:51:51,760 --> 01:51:55,720
Speaker 1: I have for you, Um, it's about the camp itself. Spartanburg.

2145
01:51:55,800 --> 01:51:59,880
Speaker 1: Everybody I've talked to including former Panthers GM Bill Polian says, Spartan,

2146
01:52:00,160 --> 01:52:03,960
Speaker 1: South Carolina, middle of August, get ready to sweat. Yeah,

2147
01:52:04,160 --> 01:52:07,360
Speaker 1: you know what's funny. It's funny. Ron Rivera made a

2148
01:52:07,400 --> 01:52:09,960
Speaker 1: pretty good point last week, and you guys will see

2149
01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:13,719
Speaker 1: it when you're here. Uh in Spartanburg. That the fields

2150
01:52:13,800 --> 01:52:16,960
Speaker 1: which Jerry Richardson, who by the way, was you know,

2151
01:52:17,040 --> 01:52:20,719
Speaker 1: a big time Wafford alumnus, who that he's the reason

2152
01:52:20,800 --> 01:52:23,519
Speaker 1: the camp is there. Richardson played at Watford, gave a

2153
01:52:23,640 --> 01:52:26,080
Speaker 1: ton of money for them to build this, you know,

2154
01:52:26,280 --> 01:52:29,679
Speaker 1: improve their facility. But it does sort of sit down

2155
01:52:29,960 --> 01:52:33,519
Speaker 1: in a just sort of a little Rivera called it

2156
01:52:33,680 --> 01:52:37,600
Speaker 1: a dent, but it makes it sort of subterranean and

2157
01:52:37,640 --> 01:52:39,920
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of breede that comes through there,

2158
01:52:40,040 --> 01:52:43,280
Speaker 1: so it is very hot. Uh, you know, it's it's

2159
01:52:43,400 --> 01:52:45,840
Speaker 1: you know, they'll I'm sure they'll practice first thing in

2160
01:52:45,920 --> 01:52:49,960
Speaker 1: the morning before it gets too terribly steamy. But Spartanburg

2161
01:52:50,080 --> 01:52:53,280
Speaker 1: pretty cool town. Man. There's I think you guys, uh,

2162
01:52:53,600 --> 01:52:55,240
Speaker 1: you know, as much as you're able to get out,

2163
01:52:55,320 --> 01:52:57,759
Speaker 1: I mean, there's some decent and for Bills fans listening,

2164
01:52:57,800 --> 01:53:00,840
Speaker 1: there's some really good restaurant. It's not to sound like

2165
01:53:00,960 --> 01:53:03,240
Speaker 1: I'm on their chamber of commerce, but the good places

2166
01:53:04,200 --> 01:53:06,599
Speaker 1: after you go sweat in the morning, there's plenty of places,

2167
01:53:06,640 --> 01:53:08,280
Speaker 1: and you can go wet you're with the later in

2168
01:53:08,320 --> 01:53:11,360
Speaker 1: the day rehydra. That's what I'm talking about. Hey, somebody

2169
01:53:11,439 --> 01:53:14,960
Speaker 1: told me this last thing. I promise the bills anticipate.

2170
01:53:15,040 --> 01:53:17,719
Speaker 1: I think that with all of the transplants from upstate

2171
01:53:17,840 --> 01:53:20,600
Speaker 1: New York, Western New York that lived down in Carolina

2172
01:53:20,680 --> 01:53:23,040
Speaker 1: these days, there could be a big contingent of bills

2173
01:53:23,080 --> 01:53:26,280
Speaker 1: fans watching these workouts. Huh, guys checked us out. When

2174
01:53:26,280 --> 01:53:29,320
Speaker 1: I first moved to Charlotte about nine years ago, I

2175
01:53:29,640 --> 01:53:32,840
Speaker 1: was very surprised to learn that there was not one

2176
01:53:33,200 --> 01:53:37,519
Speaker 1: bills bar for Sunday afternoons, but three different buffalo bills

2177
01:53:37,600 --> 01:53:41,200
Speaker 1: bars in Charlotte. I think someone told me, and I

2178
01:53:41,320 --> 01:53:44,080
Speaker 1: certainly didn't do the research that. Like, I think there

2179
01:53:44,120 --> 01:53:47,360
Speaker 1: are a lot of Kodak Eastman people that transferred down

2180
01:53:47,479 --> 01:53:50,760
Speaker 1: here however many years ago, and sort of they called

2181
01:53:50,840 --> 01:53:53,519
Speaker 1: their friends or their cousins and like, hey, it's the

2182
01:53:53,920 --> 01:53:56,640
Speaker 1: cost of livings cheap, and the weather's great, and so

2183
01:53:56,920 --> 01:53:59,240
Speaker 1: there are a lot of There are a lot of

2184
01:53:59,520 --> 01:54:04,719
Speaker 1: buffalo transplants down here, and a couple of different bars

2185
01:54:04,800 --> 01:54:07,000
Speaker 1: that'll serve you a little beef on whack and some

2186
01:54:07,200 --> 01:54:10,680
Speaker 1: Genesee beer and and maybe even take a stab at

2187
01:54:10,760 --> 01:54:13,160
Speaker 1: some some chicken wings. Yeah, I got to be careful

2188
01:54:13,160 --> 01:54:15,800
Speaker 1: with those. The wings are Yeah, the bar is high.

2189
01:54:16,840 --> 01:54:18,439
Speaker 1: You know the rule, Joe, the further way you get

2190
01:54:18,479 --> 01:54:20,439
Speaker 1: from Buffalo, the worst of the wings get. It's it's

2191
01:54:20,479 --> 01:54:24,839
Speaker 1: almost a mathematical formula. I hear you. That sounds very technical.

2192
01:54:24,960 --> 01:54:28,040
Speaker 1: I'm not good at math. Joe, thanks for this. Go

2193
01:54:28,200 --> 01:54:30,800
Speaker 1: to chocolate. They have a great summer. Yeah you guys too,

2194
01:54:31,040 --> 01:54:33,360
Speaker 1: Joe person staff writer for the Athletic dot Com and

2195
01:54:33,520 --> 01:54:36,240
Speaker 1: Charlotte or we're a writer for the Charlotte Observer. You know.

2196
01:54:36,440 --> 01:54:38,400
Speaker 1: And I recall this, and I don't have the stat

2197
01:54:38,760 --> 01:54:40,800
Speaker 1: in front of mine here, but when the bills went there,

2198
01:54:41,280 --> 01:54:43,520
Speaker 1: what two years ago, right, two seasons ago? I think

2199
01:54:43,520 --> 01:54:45,840
Speaker 1: it was week two. I remember seeing the stat. There

2200
01:54:45,920 --> 01:54:49,800
Speaker 1: are more transplants from upsolutely, from Buffalo and Rochester in

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01:54:50,040 --> 01:54:52,560
Speaker 1: Charlotte than any other city in America. In other words,

2202
01:54:52,920 --> 01:54:55,720
Speaker 1: more people who've left Buffalo is transplants in the last

2203
01:54:55,720 --> 01:54:58,320
Speaker 1: twenty years Buffalo and Rochester. I have gone to Charlotte

2204
01:54:58,320 --> 01:55:00,480
Speaker 1: than anywhere else. I remember that. We'll see it. You

2205
01:55:00,560 --> 01:55:02,120
Speaker 1: do see it once in a while. I remember when

2206
01:55:02,120 --> 01:55:03,880
Speaker 1: I played one time, we went down to Tampa Bay

2207
01:55:04,280 --> 01:55:06,960
Speaker 1: and we played the Buccaneers in nineteen I think it

2208
01:55:07,040 --> 01:55:11,560
Speaker 1: was eighty eight. Maybe I can't remember when it when

2209
01:55:11,560 --> 01:55:13,880
Speaker 1: it was, well, Keith mckeller was on the on the team,

2210
01:55:14,200 --> 01:55:16,520
Speaker 1: so anyway, we're in Tampa Bay playing him in the

2211
01:55:16,560 --> 01:55:19,800
Speaker 1: old sombrero. So it was in the eighties, and I

2212
01:55:19,920 --> 01:55:24,480
Speaker 1: remember seeing it was the the seat, the middle two

2213
01:55:24,560 --> 01:55:27,800
Speaker 1: sections of the stadium were full of orange and the

2214
01:55:27,880 --> 01:55:30,920
Speaker 1: old cream sickle colors, and the whole place was full

2215
01:55:30,960 --> 01:55:33,240
Speaker 1: of red, white and blue jersey because you know, there's

2216
01:55:33,280 --> 01:55:35,360
Speaker 1: so many transplants down there. It was a Bill's home game.

2217
01:55:35,880 --> 01:55:37,920
Speaker 1: It was. It was the craziest thing I had ever

2218
01:55:38,000 --> 01:55:40,440
Speaker 1: seen to that point. I saw a bunch of crazier

2219
01:55:40,480 --> 01:55:43,320
Speaker 1: stuff after that, but I was I was impressive. It

2220
01:55:43,440 --> 01:55:45,320
Speaker 1: was really impressive. Likely to be that way, I would

2221
01:55:45,360 --> 01:55:48,200
Speaker 1: think that these practices in Spartanburg. You know who else

2222
01:55:48,320 --> 01:55:51,480
Speaker 1: is there playing on the Panthers raster, Chris Hogan. There

2223
01:55:51,520 --> 01:55:53,640
Speaker 1: you go, fan favorite of a lot of Bill's playing

2224
01:55:53,640 --> 01:55:56,280
Speaker 1: for the Panthers these days. So you know the Droe

2225
01:55:56,360 --> 01:55:59,960
Speaker 1: right announce today August thirteen and fourteen, Spartanburg, South Carolina,

2226
01:56:00,040 --> 01:56:02,120
Speaker 1: which is about an hour and forty forty five minutes

2227
01:56:02,120 --> 01:56:05,720
Speaker 1: southwest of Charlotte. It's the Bills in Carolina, a couple

2228
01:56:05,760 --> 01:56:07,920
Speaker 1: of joint practices nine twenty five in the morning. It

2229
01:56:08,000 --> 01:56:10,600
Speaker 1: says on our schedule each day that they'll stick around

2230
01:56:10,840 --> 01:56:14,080
Speaker 1: in that part of the country and play at Carolina

2231
01:56:14,440 --> 01:56:16,480
Speaker 1: in Charlotte on Friday night. So what do you do,

2232
01:56:16,640 --> 01:56:20,080
Speaker 1: Murph week You get the RV, load it up, and

2233
01:56:20,160 --> 01:56:23,760
Speaker 1: you take that week off. You two talk about us. Yeah,

2234
01:56:24,000 --> 01:56:27,000
Speaker 1: Tutelon down there is the retired couple who we are,

2235
01:56:27,440 --> 01:56:29,600
Speaker 1: and you go down there and you set up shop

2236
01:56:29,680 --> 01:56:32,600
Speaker 1: with the with the RV down in Spartansburg, watch the

2237
01:56:32,640 --> 01:56:35,160
Speaker 1: Bills practice all week, go to the preseason game. Yeah,

2238
01:56:35,320 --> 01:56:38,600
Speaker 1: that weekend and Vetrley should I mean we're looking for

2239
01:56:38,680 --> 01:56:40,440
Speaker 1: a place to broadcast. We're gonna be down there doing

2240
01:56:40,480 --> 01:56:44,720
Speaker 1: shows at least Tuesday Wednesday in Spartanburg and maybe even Monday.

2241
01:56:44,760 --> 01:56:47,040
Speaker 1: Do you have an RV? I don't. I don't either.

2242
01:56:47,080 --> 01:56:49,840
Speaker 1: A week in rent one and have somebody driving. When

2243
01:56:49,880 --> 01:56:51,840
Speaker 1: you say you got a mouse in your pocket. You're

2244
01:56:51,840 --> 01:56:54,600
Speaker 1: gonna we have a Buffalo Bills the Bills rent us

2245
01:56:54,640 --> 01:56:58,440
Speaker 1: in RV and do the show in there. Chill. You know,

2246
01:56:59,320 --> 01:57:01,480
Speaker 1: have for the plane tickets. We wouldn't have to fly,

2247
01:57:01,760 --> 01:57:08,200
Speaker 1: of course, we have to, man, we would burn that

2248
01:57:08,280 --> 01:57:11,960
Speaker 1: jet fuel. We're gonna burn some jet fuel, that's right,

2249
01:57:12,040 --> 01:57:15,200
Speaker 1: and so yeah, but I could see that being a

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01:57:15,240 --> 01:57:17,960
Speaker 1: little road roady trip. You'll make fun out of it.

2251
01:57:18,240 --> 01:57:20,960
Speaker 1: We're not gonna do it. Listen, you heard him. Restaurants,

2252
01:57:21,200 --> 01:57:25,080
Speaker 1: bars town, You and me if you pops over the

2253
01:57:25,160 --> 01:57:29,720
Speaker 1: hair rehydrating, will you hang with us? Me and Jay?

2254
01:57:29,880 --> 01:57:32,320
Speaker 1: Can you hang with me? Yes? We can, and we

2255
01:57:32,400 --> 01:57:35,240
Speaker 1: will here we will actually we will take a break.

2256
01:57:35,240 --> 01:57:37,600
Speaker 1: We got NFL truin falls and some other stuff coming up.

2257
01:57:37,680 --> 01:57:39,720
Speaker 1: Come on back One Bill's Live, presented by Collid to

2258
01:57:39,800 --> 01:57:42,800
Speaker 1: Health from One Bill's Driving. This is Buffalo Bill's Radio.

2259
01:57:53,880 --> 01:57:56,280
Speaker 1: I'll come back One Bill's Live, John Murphy, Steve Tansker

2260
01:57:56,720 --> 01:57:58,320
Speaker 1: in the home stretch of the show. As we work

2261
01:57:58,360 --> 01:58:02,040
Speaker 1: our way up to three pm today and yes, Steve

2262
01:58:02,160 --> 01:58:04,280
Speaker 1: is back tomorrow. Let's talk a little bit about our

2263
01:58:04,920 --> 01:58:08,160
Speaker 1: Twitter poll, which I think we liked. It's a lot

2264
01:58:08,200 --> 01:58:11,040
Speaker 1: of discussion. I don't know where it came from, but

2265
01:58:12,000 --> 01:58:13,840
Speaker 1: if you look at the Twitter pole and try to

2266
01:58:13,840 --> 01:58:16,440
Speaker 1: figure out where Bills fans are thinking, you come up.

2267
01:58:16,520 --> 01:58:18,800
Speaker 1: I come up with the situation, the sense that most

2268
01:58:18,840 --> 01:58:21,560
Speaker 1: people are pretty happy with the divisional alignment for the Bills.

2269
01:58:21,640 --> 01:58:23,960
Speaker 1: But let's see, we're gonna get back into it here.

2270
01:58:24,000 --> 01:58:28,200
Speaker 1: What would be your ideal Buffalo Bills division alignment? Forty

2271
01:58:28,240 --> 01:58:30,480
Speaker 1: six percent of you say would be flipping with Baltimore

2272
01:58:30,520 --> 01:58:33,440
Speaker 1: and being in the AFC North. Thirty three percent of

2273
01:58:33,480 --> 01:58:36,560
Speaker 1: you say keep it as it is, Eleven percent say

2274
01:58:36,640 --> 01:58:39,200
Speaker 1: have the Bills go in with Cleveland, the Jets and

2275
01:58:39,400 --> 01:58:43,440
Speaker 1: New England bring Cleveland into the what AFCAST? I don't know.

2276
01:58:43,480 --> 01:58:46,240
Speaker 1: Ten percent say the Bills, Jets, Giants, Patriots. What do

2277
01:58:46,320 --> 01:58:49,160
Speaker 1: you think? Eight h three five fifty toll free one

2278
01:58:49,320 --> 01:58:52,040
Speaker 1: eight eight five fifty two five little bit of a

2279
01:58:52,080 --> 01:58:55,000
Speaker 1: night charts, Yeah, that's a lot. Just tell us where

2280
01:58:55,040 --> 01:59:00,320
Speaker 1: you wanted to play. Yeah, if you had to, how

2281
01:59:00,360 --> 01:59:02,440
Speaker 1: would you realign the NFL? I don't know if I would,

2282
01:59:02,880 --> 01:59:06,000
Speaker 1: But but if you had to, how likely is it

2283
01:59:06,040 --> 01:59:07,440
Speaker 1: that it would end up just like it is now?

2284
01:59:07,760 --> 01:59:11,680
Speaker 1: Probably not very There's no reason to realign I know,

2285
01:59:11,800 --> 01:59:14,200
Speaker 1: But if you had to, what if you started from scratch,

2286
01:59:14,280 --> 01:59:15,960
Speaker 1: like if the league was just starting out, how would

2287
01:59:15,960 --> 01:59:18,200
Speaker 1: you do it? That might be a better question, because

2288
01:59:18,240 --> 01:59:19,960
Speaker 1: then there wouldn't build. Yeah, but then there wouldn't be

2289
01:59:20,000 --> 01:59:21,960
Speaker 1: all this history and all this year that you have

2290
01:59:22,040 --> 01:59:23,400
Speaker 1: to deal with, you know what I mean? Well, the

2291
01:59:23,440 --> 01:59:25,600
Speaker 1: history means something, I know, and it does. It does

2292
01:59:25,680 --> 01:59:28,840
Speaker 1: mean something, But would it doesn't make logical sense? I

2293
01:59:28,960 --> 01:59:31,960
Speaker 1: probably not. History never does but in the present day.

2294
01:59:32,360 --> 01:59:34,480
Speaker 1: But now you look back at it and it's again,

2295
01:59:34,480 --> 01:59:37,720
Speaker 1: it's kind of In fact, it's probably the only thing

2296
01:59:37,800 --> 01:59:40,400
Speaker 1: that keeps it the way it is, right, it's a

2297
01:59:40,480 --> 01:59:44,360
Speaker 1: major factory. Yeah, yeah, rivalries I call from Kevin and

2298
01:59:44,440 --> 01:59:47,600
Speaker 1: Hamburg on this topic. Kevin, go ahead, you're on the air, Okay.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to see if you're gonna drop the Dolphins

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01:59:51,000 --> 01:59:53,080
Speaker 1: out of the South, like the one guy called about,

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01:59:53,760 --> 01:59:56,240
Speaker 1: bring the Calls back in like they used to be

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01:59:56,320 --> 02:00:01,680
Speaker 1: when they had Dickerson and Burt Jones against Ferguson, and

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02:00:02,240 --> 02:00:05,800
Speaker 1: bring the Colts back in the way they used to be. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I can see that that's you know, I'd

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02:00:07,600 --> 02:00:10,200
Speaker 1: be just a flip flop and one of our choices

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02:00:10,320 --> 02:00:13,040
Speaker 1: was to flip flop Miami with Cleveland and bring them

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Speaker 1: into the AFC East, which is you know, I mean,

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02:00:15,480 --> 02:00:18,680
Speaker 1: this is you're talking about flip flopping one team in

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02:00:18,760 --> 02:00:21,960
Speaker 1: one division, two teams in two divisions, and that that

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02:00:22,120 --> 02:00:24,840
Speaker 1: just trade them out and I'd be small, a small thing.

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Speaker 1: Even the Indianapolis thing bringing them back. That's still you know,

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02:00:28,960 --> 02:00:34,720
Speaker 1: that's history talking. That's not you know, current day. Yeah, exactly.

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02:00:34,840 --> 02:00:37,200
Speaker 1: Bill's Colts. Yeah, I mean there's not much of history,

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Speaker 1: not much, but they were. They were in the same

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02:00:39,160 --> 02:00:41,440
Speaker 1: division for a long long time. Does anybody have any

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02:00:41,480 --> 02:00:43,960
Speaker 1: fun memories of that rivalry? I mean that was when

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02:00:44,000 --> 02:00:49,080
Speaker 1: the you know, yeah, exactly, No, don't I restaurants. I'd

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02:00:49,120 --> 02:00:52,120
Speaker 1: be into that. See, Indie's a great city. Yeah, it's great. See,

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Speaker 1: if you're gonna do that, here's what I want, Buffalo

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02:00:54,240 --> 02:00:57,880
Speaker 1: in the same division as Indie, Miami, New Orleans and

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Speaker 1: picking up one. Kansas City. Nah, I'd got a good

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02:01:04,520 --> 02:01:06,960
Speaker 1: I don't got Arizona. Still go to the desert for

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02:01:07,040 --> 02:01:11,760
Speaker 1: a minute, you know, it's too far southwards southwest fair. Yeah,

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02:01:11,800 --> 02:01:15,840
Speaker 1: that'd be good. Kansas City really barbecue my head, Nah,

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02:01:16,080 --> 02:01:18,720
Speaker 1: not Kansas City. You want to go. That's why you

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02:01:18,760 --> 02:01:23,400
Speaker 1: want to do it. You want to go Providence, New England. Really,

2327
02:01:23,600 --> 02:01:25,880
Speaker 1: why is there something? What's going on there? I don't know.

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02:01:25,960 --> 02:01:27,320
Speaker 1: I just like that part of the country. You don't

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02:01:27,320 --> 02:01:32,720
Speaker 1: like Primanence, trod Island, No, why, why? What? I don't know.

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02:01:32,800 --> 02:01:35,640
Speaker 1: It's just a cool little, you know, a town. I

2331
02:01:35,680 --> 02:01:37,840
Speaker 1: will say this, we went. I did have a good

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02:01:37,880 --> 02:01:40,160
Speaker 1: experience there last year. We did a game and we

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02:01:40,280 --> 02:01:43,000
Speaker 1: got out away from the went down the little river

2334
02:01:43,120 --> 02:01:46,240
Speaker 1: thing there. Yeah, that's I will tip my hat to that.

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Speaker 1: That was pretty cool. Hey, let's play NFL True or Falls.

2336
02:01:49,680 --> 02:01:52,400
Speaker 1: It is brought to you by Yancey's Fancy New York's

2337
02:01:52,560 --> 02:01:56,400
Speaker 1: artists and Cheese. Here we go, True or Falls? What

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02:01:56,520 --> 02:02:00,320
Speaker 1: are you laughing about? Nothing? Yeah, you almost can get

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02:02:00,360 --> 02:02:02,879
Speaker 1: that out. I could do. Matthew Stafford is the toughest

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02:02:03,000 --> 02:02:06,600
Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFL, so says NFL dot Com. He

2341
02:02:06,680 --> 02:02:09,280
Speaker 1: played through a broken back last year. You know a

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02:02:09,360 --> 02:02:11,880
Speaker 1: little bit of a broken back. Is Matthew Stafford the

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02:02:11,960 --> 02:02:15,200
Speaker 1: toughest quarterback in the NFL? True? False? I don't know

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02:02:15,200 --> 02:02:16,840
Speaker 1: if I have an opinion on this, Steve, I'd have

2345
02:02:16,920 --> 02:02:18,800
Speaker 1: to think hard. There are a lot of tough guys

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02:02:19,200 --> 02:02:23,760
Speaker 1: playing quarterback in the league these days. I'll say false,

2347
02:02:23,840 --> 02:02:25,440
Speaker 1: just because if you give me a minute, I'll find

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02:02:25,480 --> 02:02:28,040
Speaker 1: somebody I like better. It's the toughest. Tom Brady's not

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02:02:28,080 --> 02:02:30,080
Speaker 1: too bad. He's a forty year old guy playing. He

2350
02:02:30,160 --> 02:02:33,560
Speaker 1: never misses a game. Eli Manning same thing. He and

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02:02:33,640 --> 02:02:35,520
Speaker 1: they stand in the pocket and they take hits, even

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02:02:35,560 --> 02:02:37,320
Speaker 1: at that age. I mean they do it now. The

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02:02:37,440 --> 02:02:40,160
Speaker 1: reason they said Matthew Stafford was because he had some

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02:02:40,280 --> 02:02:43,600
Speaker 1: micro factors in his spine last year, and obviously that

2355
02:02:43,680 --> 02:02:45,720
Speaker 1: seemed to be really painful. He was also dealing with

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02:02:45,840 --> 02:02:48,160
Speaker 1: some other stuff. The problem with being and I said

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02:02:48,240 --> 02:02:50,480
Speaker 1: this way back in the day, the problem with being

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02:02:50,520 --> 02:02:52,440
Speaker 1: the toughest quarterback in the NFL you got to go

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02:02:52,480 --> 02:02:56,680
Speaker 1: out and prove it every week because you're getting beat

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02:02:56,800 --> 02:02:58,840
Speaker 1: up every week. And that's kind of what makes it,

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02:02:59,160 --> 02:03:02,120
Speaker 1: because you gotta show up every week. Steve McNair had this,

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02:03:02,600 --> 02:03:05,880
Speaker 1: had this reputation for a long time because he walked

2363
02:03:05,920 --> 02:03:08,440
Speaker 1: in there like a you know, a fife and drum corps.

2364
02:03:08,480 --> 02:03:10,720
Speaker 1: You know, he's limping with the bandages all over him.

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02:03:11,680 --> 02:03:13,920
Speaker 1: So the problem with being the toughest quarterback in the

2366
02:03:14,000 --> 02:03:16,240
Speaker 1: league is if it wasn't for the honor of the thing,

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02:03:16,320 --> 02:03:19,360
Speaker 1: you'd rather do without it because you got approved once

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02:03:19,400 --> 02:03:21,720
Speaker 1: as one. Yeah right, it's it's I don't want it,

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02:03:21,760 --> 02:03:25,160
Speaker 1: you take it. But saying one guy's tougher than another,

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02:03:26,560 --> 02:03:29,680
Speaker 1: now I say false. I think they're all pretty tough.

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02:03:29,880 --> 02:03:32,600
Speaker 1: Now if you're not to if you're not lasting quarterback,

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02:03:32,680 --> 02:03:35,840
Speaker 1: especially exactly, so I say false, Yeah, me too. Part two,

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02:03:36,000 --> 02:03:39,400
Speaker 1: NFL True or false? After Belichick, Andy Reid is the

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02:03:39,440 --> 02:03:41,560
Speaker 1: best coach in the NFL. A USA to the article

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02:03:41,640 --> 02:03:46,000
Speaker 1: they ranked coaches UM Sean McDermott ranked fourteenth. Let me

2376
02:03:46,040 --> 02:03:48,920
Speaker 1: read you what they wrote about Sean McDermott. USA Today

2377
02:03:48,960 --> 02:03:50,560
Speaker 1: says should have gotten a few Coach of the Year

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02:03:50,640 --> 02:03:52,360
Speaker 1: votes for the job he did last year. The Bills.

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02:03:52,640 --> 02:03:55,200
Speaker 1: We're getting some oh and sixteen talk before the season

2380
02:03:55,320 --> 02:03:57,920
Speaker 1: that was ridiculous, but they right. Mcdermotty had to pick

2381
02:03:57,960 --> 02:04:02,000
Speaker 1: his starting quarterback from Peterman, mc karen and Josh Allen. Somehow,

2382
02:04:02,040 --> 02:04:04,880
Speaker 1: Buffalo's receiving group group was even worse. The offensive line

2383
02:04:04,920 --> 02:04:07,080
Speaker 1: was a mess, but mcdermot's defense is good enough to

2384
02:04:07,120 --> 02:04:09,760
Speaker 1: carry the Bills to six wins. McDermot can coach I

2385
02:04:09,840 --> 02:04:12,080
Speaker 1: think most people here believe that best coach in the

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02:04:12,240 --> 02:04:18,800
Speaker 1: NFL after Belichick Andy Reid. True false. I'm gonna say false.

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02:04:19,760 --> 02:04:21,880
Speaker 1: And I don't like Sean Payton, but I think he's

2388
02:04:21,960 --> 02:04:24,120
Speaker 1: got his team. I think he knows what he's doing

2389
02:04:24,200 --> 02:04:28,600
Speaker 1: on offense. In particular, he creates a culture around his team.

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02:04:28,640 --> 02:04:30,880
Speaker 1: It's not a culture that I would admire or like,

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02:04:31,160 --> 02:04:34,480
Speaker 1: but I think Sean Payton deserves some consideration as the

2392
02:04:34,560 --> 02:04:37,080
Speaker 1: best coach in the league after Belichick. I think that's

2393
02:04:37,120 --> 02:04:40,400
Speaker 1: a that's a great point. Certainly, Andy Reid is in

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02:04:40,480 --> 02:04:42,680
Speaker 1: that conversation and he's one of the names on the

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02:04:42,720 --> 02:04:46,200
Speaker 1: short list. But you know, Sean Payton has won a

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02:04:46,320 --> 02:04:49,400
Speaker 1: World championship and last year he got non called out

2397
02:04:49,440 --> 02:04:54,200
Speaker 1: of another Super Bowl appearance. I think he would. But

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02:04:54,440 --> 02:04:58,000
Speaker 1: Andy Reid also got a decrepid laughing stock of a

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02:04:58,080 --> 02:05:01,600
Speaker 1: franchise in philadel Way back in the day when he

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02:05:01,720 --> 02:05:05,120
Speaker 1: took over in Philadelphia, before they drafted Donovan McNabb, that

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02:05:05,560 --> 02:05:09,840
Speaker 1: franchise was an absolute laughing stock. It sounds crazy now

2402
02:05:09,880 --> 02:05:11,600
Speaker 1: that the Philadelphi Eiels have won the Super Bowl in

2403
02:05:11,600 --> 02:05:13,840
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. Back then, they were laughing

2404
02:05:13,880 --> 02:05:17,280
Speaker 1: stock and Andy Reid got in there, drafted Donovan McNabb,

2405
02:05:17,560 --> 02:05:20,200
Speaker 1: got him to all of those NFC championship games and

2406
02:05:20,320 --> 02:05:23,160
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. He didn't win it, but then he

2407
02:05:23,240 --> 02:05:25,280
Speaker 1: went to Kansas City. Now he's got one of the

2408
02:05:25,640 --> 02:05:28,240
Speaker 1: elite teams in the league. Again, he's got to be

2409
02:05:28,320 --> 02:05:30,040
Speaker 1: in the conversation for one of the best coaches in

2410
02:05:30,080 --> 02:05:32,480
Speaker 1: the league. But when you look at who's done it,

2411
02:05:34,080 --> 02:05:36,280
Speaker 1: I might give it to him because he's more consistent

2412
02:05:36,480 --> 02:05:40,680
Speaker 1: than Sean Sean Payton. I would say, yeah, I would

2413
02:05:40,720 --> 02:05:42,320
Speaker 1: give the nod to Andy Reid. He did it with

2414
02:05:42,360 --> 02:05:46,440
Speaker 1: Donovan McNabb and he's doing it with Pat Mahomes. And

2415
02:05:46,760 --> 02:05:49,600
Speaker 1: Sean Payton has had Drew Brees one of the greatest

2416
02:05:49,600 --> 02:05:51,600
Speaker 1: of all time the entire time he's been a head coach,

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02:05:51,800 --> 02:05:54,960
Speaker 1: Belichick as his quarterback too. Well, yeah, and I will

2418
02:05:55,000 --> 02:05:57,800
Speaker 1: say this about Peyton. I mean they've been they've been

2419
02:05:57,840 --> 02:06:00,360
Speaker 1: a Harris breadth away from the Super Bowl, right Nickel

2420
02:06:00,440 --> 02:06:02,400
Speaker 1: Robie Coleman call number one, and then two years ago

2421
02:06:02,480 --> 02:06:05,520
Speaker 1: the crazy play against Minnesota. Right, at least they had

2422
02:06:05,520 --> 02:06:07,520
Speaker 1: to win one after that. But I mean they got

2423
02:06:07,600 --> 02:06:09,839
Speaker 1: knocked out of the playoffs twice by kind of flukey

2424
02:06:10,200 --> 02:06:13,880
Speaker 1: and in some cases really bad calls. Right, Yeah, but

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02:06:13,960 --> 02:06:16,160
Speaker 1: I and I agree with you there. I think those

2426
02:06:16,200 --> 02:06:17,760
Speaker 1: are the two guys were talking about. I think both

2427
02:06:17,760 --> 02:06:20,200
Speaker 1: of us agree. It's it's Sean Payton and Andy Reid.

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02:06:20,920 --> 02:06:22,600
Speaker 1: Both of them are great coaches, and both of them

2429
02:06:22,640 --> 02:06:24,920
Speaker 1: had a lot of success. Andy Reid, though, did it

2430
02:06:25,000 --> 02:06:28,800
Speaker 1: with two different franchises and different quarterbacks. So I think

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02:06:28,840 --> 02:06:32,440
Speaker 1: i'd lean towards him rather than Sean Payton. M Eagles

2432
02:06:32,520 --> 02:06:37,160
Speaker 1: coach Peterson. Yeah, Doug Peterson top five, top ten, somewhere

2433
02:06:37,200 --> 02:06:39,400
Speaker 1: in the top ten, right, got a World championship. Yeah,

2434
02:06:39,440 --> 02:06:40,960
Speaker 1: there's not too many of those guys eleven or five

2435
02:06:42,720 --> 02:06:46,440
Speaker 1: maybe maybe maybe it currently, Well, what about Sean mcvayh

2436
02:06:46,840 --> 02:06:49,280
Speaker 1: top five, second or third guy, second, third year guy

2437
02:06:49,360 --> 02:06:52,200
Speaker 1: getting his team, you know, to the super Bowl after

2438
02:06:52,320 --> 02:06:56,480
Speaker 1: taking over a team that was horrible. Yeah, pretty good.

2439
02:06:56,680 --> 02:06:59,280
Speaker 1: There's a lot of guys in that conversation, Carol top

2440
02:06:59,360 --> 02:07:02,440
Speaker 1: ten really consistent, Yep. I mean it's hard. I mean,

2441
02:07:02,720 --> 02:07:04,880
Speaker 1: if you're building a franchise, even him, he's like in

2442
02:07:04,960 --> 02:07:08,320
Speaker 1: his seventies, right, yep, I'd still hire that guy. Yep,

2443
02:07:08,440 --> 02:07:12,480
Speaker 1: you know, absolutely. Yeah, there's some guys, Yes, there's some

2444
02:07:12,600 --> 02:07:14,640
Speaker 1: really proven commodities out there. Of course, there's none of

2445
02:07:14,680 --> 02:07:18,280
Speaker 1: them are available, but one more for NFL true and false.

2446
02:07:18,360 --> 02:07:21,200
Speaker 1: Interesting one and this comes from Pete Priscoe's Top one

2447
02:07:21,280 --> 02:07:28,040
Speaker 1: hundred players of twenty nineteen. There's no bills on this list.

2448
02:07:28,080 --> 02:07:30,240
Speaker 1: We talk about it briefly yesterday, which is kind of stunning,

2449
02:07:30,840 --> 02:07:33,800
Speaker 1: and we'll have this discussion, if not today, someday about

2450
02:07:34,080 --> 02:07:36,960
Speaker 1: who would be most deserving to be in a top

2451
02:07:37,000 --> 02:07:39,040
Speaker 1: one under player in the NFL. But at the top

2452
02:07:39,120 --> 02:07:42,560
Speaker 1: of his list, best player in the NFL Aaron Donald.

2453
02:07:43,040 --> 02:07:46,160
Speaker 1: He's got Aaron Donald defensive tackle, and he writes about

2454
02:07:46,160 --> 02:07:48,720
Speaker 1: a little bit at times. Donald cannot be blocked clearly

2455
02:07:48,760 --> 02:07:50,640
Speaker 1: the best defensive player in the league. But I think

2456
02:07:50,640 --> 02:07:53,840
Speaker 1: he's the best player period. He's got Pat Mahomes at

2457
02:07:53,960 --> 02:07:56,840
Speaker 1: number two. Edges Pat Mahomes for the best player in

2458
02:07:56,880 --> 02:07:59,920
Speaker 1: the league. Aaron Donald best player in the NFL. True false.

2459
02:08:00,000 --> 02:08:02,640
Speaker 1: I'm saying true. I'm I'm good with that. I'm I

2460
02:08:02,800 --> 02:08:06,480
Speaker 1: think the reason he gets called that is because between

2461
02:08:06,680 --> 02:08:11,000
Speaker 1: he plays defensive tackle. The difference between Aaron Donald and

2462
02:08:11,120 --> 02:08:15,440
Speaker 1: the next best defensive tackle is vast in my opinion.

2463
02:08:15,960 --> 02:08:18,640
Speaker 1: There are some other good ones, but he's way way

2464
02:08:18,760 --> 02:08:21,720
Speaker 1: better than the second best guy. And I think that

2465
02:08:21,920 --> 02:08:25,400
Speaker 1: difference between players at other positions who are the best

2466
02:08:25,440 --> 02:08:28,120
Speaker 1: at their position and the second best players at their

2467
02:08:28,200 --> 02:08:31,080
Speaker 1: position is much smaller than it is for Aaron Donald

2468
02:08:31,120 --> 02:08:33,840
Speaker 1: and the rest of the defensive tackles. So for that reason,

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02:08:33,840 --> 02:08:37,080
Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, that is probably true. He's doing

2470
02:08:37,200 --> 02:08:41,000
Speaker 1: some things that nobody's ever done. He's getting seventeen nineteen

2471
02:08:41,080 --> 02:08:44,600
Speaker 1: sacks from a defensive tackle spot. Nobody has ever been

2472
02:08:44,600 --> 02:08:47,800
Speaker 1: able to do that before. And that to me, when

2473
02:08:47,840 --> 02:08:50,040
Speaker 1: you're the not only the best guy to be doing something,

2474
02:08:50,160 --> 02:08:53,760
Speaker 1: but also doing it for the first time ever from

2475
02:08:53,800 --> 02:08:56,960
Speaker 1: that position, I think that's pretty special. Pete Prisco's list

2476
02:08:57,120 --> 02:08:59,920
Speaker 1: is interesting, and look, he's the he's not he does

2477
02:09:00,120 --> 02:09:02,760
Speaker 1: know everything, but he gave it some thought, Pete Prisco,

2478
02:09:03,120 --> 02:09:05,960
Speaker 1: and he said the Chargers have the most players in

2479
02:09:06,040 --> 02:09:08,040
Speaker 1: his top one hundred for twenty nineteen. He has got

2480
02:09:08,160 --> 02:09:11,120
Speaker 1: eight Los Angeles Chargers, which, by the way, you know,

2481
02:09:11,200 --> 02:09:13,960
Speaker 1: we had the factor yesterday about who's the best most

2482
02:09:14,000 --> 02:09:16,640
Speaker 1: talented team, it probably is the Chargers, and he's got

2483
02:09:16,720 --> 02:09:18,680
Speaker 1: eight in his top one hundred. The Cowboys have seven

2484
02:09:19,080 --> 02:09:21,160
Speaker 1: Saints and the Chiefs with six each in his top

2485
02:09:21,240 --> 02:09:28,120
Speaker 1: one hundred and no Buffalo Bills Jerry Hughes White. Yeah,

2486
02:09:28,360 --> 02:09:30,520
Speaker 1: somebody's got to be in top one hundred. Those would

2487
02:09:30,520 --> 02:09:32,240
Speaker 1: be the guys I would lean towards. And you know,

2488
02:09:32,320 --> 02:09:35,040
Speaker 1: and I get it, Hey, it's a big league and

2489
02:09:35,880 --> 02:09:37,720
Speaker 1: the Bills were six and ten last year. I get it.

2490
02:09:37,840 --> 02:09:40,400
Speaker 1: It's hard. It's hard to break into that, particularly from

2491
02:09:40,440 --> 02:09:43,440
Speaker 1: a guy who you know has no skin in the game. Yeah,

2492
02:09:43,840 --> 02:09:46,680
Speaker 1: I squeeze in one call. That's Yancey's Fancy New York's

2493
02:09:46,720 --> 02:09:49,120
Speaker 1: Artists and Cheese bringing you NFL True or False call

2494
02:09:49,200 --> 02:09:51,440
Speaker 1: here from John and Rochester. Go ahead, John, welcome, you're

2495
02:09:51,440 --> 02:09:55,080
Speaker 1: on the show. Quote you guys. I am enjoying the

2496
02:09:55,200 --> 02:10:00,520
Speaker 1: program today. Thank you. I like the conversation about the

2497
02:10:00,800 --> 02:10:09,920
Speaker 1: UH changing the vision. Yeah, thank you. And but I'm

2498
02:10:09,960 --> 02:10:12,760
Speaker 1: not I'm not in favor of it because unless the

2499
02:10:12,920 --> 02:10:17,360
Speaker 1: NFL does it, and it's mandatory because it's a loyal

2500
02:10:17,760 --> 02:10:22,640
Speaker 1: long time Bills fan. You guys got fans coming back,

2501
02:10:23,040 --> 02:10:26,760
Speaker 1: and you know they are UH. For us to beat

2502
02:10:26,840 --> 02:10:30,720
Speaker 1: New England or sweep New England is a big deal,

2503
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah, So why do they

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Speaker 1: do it? What are we gonna do to get that,

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Speaker 1: make that happen. It would be a big deal. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it would be a big deal. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Look

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Speaker 1: I like sweeping the Jets and the Dolphins too. I

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Speaker 1: can't believe the Bills lost the games to the Jets

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Speaker 1: last year. I still can't believe it. Anyway, thank you

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Speaker 1: for hearing me. And uh, okay, it stayed the same.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, stay the same. I get it a lot

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Speaker 1: of what about a third of the votes, so we'll check.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I at it. Yeah, all right, a break,

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Speaker 1: We're back One Bill's Live from One Bill's Drive on

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills Radio. All right, so what have we learned?

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Speaker 1: What have we learned? Well, let's tell you what we learned.

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Speaker 1: Let me find it. We talked with Joe Person earlier

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Speaker 1: this hour. He covers the Carolina Panthers for the Athletic

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Speaker 1: Dot Com and Charlotte. Of course, the Bills are gonna

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Speaker 1: practice with the Panthers for a couple of days in

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Speaker 1: mid August and announcement coming today and that camp, he said,

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Speaker 1: is all about Cam Newton. Carolina Panthers summer camp when

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Speaker 1: they get the training camp all about Cam Newton and

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Speaker 1: his health coming off surgery. Here's what Joe Person said

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Speaker 1: about that. Two years ago after his first shoulder surgery.

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Speaker 1: He was on a pitch count for the first couple

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Speaker 1: two and a half weeks of camp, for most of camp,

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Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I ended up being fine. You know,

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Speaker 1: it didn't miss anytime during the regular season, but that

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Speaker 1: that offseason he had sentery in March this year that

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Speaker 1: they did it earlier. They made the determination in January,

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Speaker 1: and he went ahead and went on to the knife.

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Speaker 1: So he is ahead of schedule. So you know, i'd

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Speaker 1: hate the guests, but I would think that, you know,

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Speaker 1: it just based on what I saw him growing on

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Speaker 1: the side in a very limited basis in individuals trills

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Speaker 1: last week's minicamp, that he that he might be, you know,

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Speaker 1: green lighted for the most part. When the Bills come

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Speaker 1: to town, we'll find out. It'll be the big story,

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Speaker 1: one of the big stories when the Bills and Panthers

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Speaker 1: get together and practice together in mid August. Our Twitter

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Speaker 1: poll today was interesting, kind of a off season off

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Speaker 1: day question, what would be your ideal Bills division alignment?

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Speaker 1: Forty six percent of you Almost half of you say

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Speaker 1: it's the flip with Baltimore, where the Bills go to

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Speaker 1: the AFC North and the Ravens go to the AFC East.

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Speaker 1: Thirty three percent of you say leave it as it is,

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Speaker 1: and then a couple of other suggestions got about ten

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Speaker 1: percent each. Interesting discussion. I'm right where I started. I

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Speaker 1: don't see a need to change anything, but I get

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Speaker 1: it something fun to Yeah, you almost dig your mind

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Speaker 1: and said, okay, if you had to do it and

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Speaker 1: history was not an issue, Yeah, yeah, then if you

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Speaker 1: started from scratch and it's hard to get in one

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Speaker 1: hundredth year of the league, it's hard to envision it's

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Speaker 1: starting from scratch again, you know. Right, So that's where

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Speaker 1: we kind of sat. But it's interesting to think about

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Speaker 1: what would it mean to each you know, fans, you know,

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Speaker 1: to be able to drive to every single division game

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Speaker 1: in a single day kind of thing. Cool, it would

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Speaker 1: be different. They steve I him out of here for

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Speaker 1: a little while after today, and I'll be back. I am.

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Speaker 1: I plan on coming back. I won't be here when

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Speaker 1: you get back. I'll be on it. No, no, I will.

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Speaker 1: We do it. We have to sprinkle in. We can't

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Speaker 1: be gone at the same time a lot, right, And

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Speaker 1: the good news is when we come back, we're like

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Speaker 1: a week or two away from training. Yeah, will be

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Speaker 1: shifting gears, ready to go. Have a good time. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for having good it'd be a good bit to

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Speaker 1: get away. Thank you. Production assistance George blast Cheff, Colton Thomas,

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Speaker 1: honald Or, Kelly Rude, j j Rito, Kevin Gargis, James Robell,

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Speaker 1: our producer Jay Harris Stevius. Here tomorrow at noon. One

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Speaker 1: Bill's Live from One Bill's Drive on Buffalo Bill's Radio