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Speaker 1: Savannah Humoller, Everson Walls, and Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 3: All right, here we go three out of four. Ain't
Speaker 3: bad today? Bill Jones dnps today with an illness. It
Speaker 3: seems to be going around this building of late. But
Speaker 3: we are here, Everson Walls, Savannah Humollor and myself Mickey
Speaker 3: Spagnola here on Mick Shots on a Wednesday. But there's
Speaker 3: no football players on the football field.
Speaker 2: What's going on? Dude?
Speaker 3: And practice is supposed to start right now, so I'm
Speaker 3: guessing they are indoors.
Speaker 4: I would assume.
Speaker 3: So it's not chill the weather. I don't think it's
Speaker 3: not bad.
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 3: Maybe in the forties.
Speaker 5: Now, No, No, it's up to it's almost up to
Speaker 5: the upper fifty fifties. And the wind is warm. The
Speaker 5: wind is warm. It's not a cold breeze at all.
Speaker 3: So you know what's going on? Right?
Speaker 2: What's going on?
Speaker 3: We got secrets? Does mean that means he doesn't want
Speaker 3: anybody watching practice that's not supposed to be watching.
Speaker 6: Okay, I got you playoff there you go, keep it
Speaker 6: all locked in rights.
Speaker 5: The old school Redskins would come to town and we
Speaker 5: would go to Washington and we had to buy out
Speaker 5: the entire side of the holiday. Wait the eight days
Speaker 5: in it was a days the days in hotel they
Speaker 5: bought out the entire side.
Speaker 3: The second floor because it opened up.
Speaker 4: They did this for for what reason?
Speaker 2: For Washington Week because they didn't Redskins. Well, it was
Speaker 2: George Allen's.
Speaker 5: Yeah, George Allen's old school coach for the Redskins. After
Speaker 5: was saying Redskins because that's what they were at the time,
Speaker 5: and uh.
Speaker 2: He was. He was a cheat. Let's just say what
Speaker 2: it was. He was a cheat.
Speaker 5: And when it came to the Cowboys Redskins wife, we I.
Speaker 2: Think both of them were cheating. I think we just
Speaker 2: didn't hear much about it. On the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: On the other side, I texted and trust them.
Speaker 5: So he brought out the side and then you would
Speaker 5: have security was walking back and forth on the second
Speaker 5: floor making sure no one tried to sneak up in video.
Speaker 3: Our practices not with any other team just washing.
Speaker 2: As if Philly was above boy.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, yeah, absolutely, So the Cowboys are indoors practicing today.
Speaker 3: And speaking of practice, Savannah, why don't we give a
Speaker 3: little Cowboys injury updates.
Speaker 4: Let's do it.
Speaker 6: We were in the press conference with Mike McCarthy and
Speaker 6: obviously there's a few people that were in question for
Speaker 6: this week. Zach Martin, who was out with an illness
Speaker 6: against the Commanders. He is back in the facility today.
Speaker 4: He is feeling better.
Speaker 6: He will be participating in practiced today. He's improved. But
Speaker 6: I guess there are a couple staff members, staff members
Speaker 6: who Mike quoted they don't count out with illness.
Speaker 3: Just keep them away.
Speaker 5: Okay, he's deafinitely ill, but yeah he's not playing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Tyler Smith limited and Stefan Gilmour. He will rehab Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,
Speaker 6: and the hope is to have him line up on Saturday.
Speaker 3: And kind of see what he can do. Get him
Speaker 3: to the game the best they can. And so with
Speaker 3: the shoulder injury that he suffered, so he'll continue rehabbing
Speaker 3: and you just want him to be ready to play
Speaker 3: in the game. And it's good news on Tyler that
Speaker 3: he's going to be limited.
Speaker 2: So he was.
Speaker 3: Somewhat limited last week and didn't play, so we'll see
Speaker 3: what he's able to do. But you know, the good
Speaker 3: thing about him being limited and then last week and
Speaker 3: then Zach on his normal schedule not practicing.
Speaker 2: On Zach no, he was ill. Remember, I know he's ill,
Speaker 2: but I'm still.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they haven't I haven't met that come up. And
Speaker 3: the good thing about that is that TJ. Bass and
Speaker 3: brock Hoffman were able to practice almost fully last week,
Speaker 3: so when they had to play in the game, they
Speaker 3: were prepared, which is normally that doesn't happen, right, those
Speaker 3: guys get a handful of snaps normally. Uh, you don't
Speaker 3: know what that's like because you we never got any
Speaker 3: snaps off in.
Speaker 2: Practice, right, didn't. We didn't do that.
Speaker 3: So so anyway, I would imagine that if Tyler's limited,
Speaker 3: then TJ. Bass will get a share of the snaps
Speaker 3: and Zach will get what he normally gets, but that's
Speaker 3: not a lot because they don't want to wear him out,
Speaker 3: So brock Hoffman will get more, and you know, and
Speaker 3: then Hoffman also, by the way, if if Zach whatever
Speaker 3: Zach was getting, he would be getting backup snaps at
Speaker 3: center because he is the backup center. Okay, yeah, he's
Speaker 3: both Okay, so yeah, So anyway, that's kind of an
Speaker 3: injury update. I did notice that if I can find
Speaker 3: it in all my scribbles here. The Packers have a
Speaker 3: couple of things going on. They're leading receiver Romeo Dobbs
Speaker 3: injured his chest in the game this past Sunday. He
Speaker 3: ended up going to the hospital, but he was released
Speaker 3: the next day or that night.
Speaker 2: So and he's their leading receiver.
Speaker 3: He's their leading receiver. And then he's got six sixty
Speaker 3: four no I'm sorry, second leading receiver, fifty nine catches
Speaker 3: for six hundred and seventy four yards eight touchdowns. So
Speaker 3: he's kind of the guy they go to. Also, Christian Watson,
Speaker 3: Bill's guy, has missed the last five games with a hamstring,
Speaker 3: so his production obviously this year has gone down significantly,
Speaker 3: but if.
Speaker 2: You remember, it's still playing well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you remember last year, Watson had a
Speaker 3: big day against the Cowboys in that thirty one twenty
Speaker 3: eight overtime victory. And running back AJ Dylan has a
Speaker 3: These two don't go together, a thumb and stinger, so
Speaker 3: I guess that's two separate things. He missed the last
Speaker 3: game and so did Isaiah McDuffie concussion neck, So we'll
Speaker 3: see how those go when we get an injury report today.
Speaker 3: But from a health standpoint, you know, that's not too
Speaker 3: bad this time of the season when the injuries do
Speaker 3: pile up after especially after seventeen games and going for
Speaker 3: eighteen games, So we'll see how this turns out. I
Speaker 3: also saw another little note. The NFL PA had their
Speaker 3: players vote for their All Pro team. Very very very interesting.
Speaker 3: Did you see that? No? I did not, So here's
Speaker 3: the significant ones for the Cowboys. Obviously, Doron Bland was
Speaker 3: one of the two starting cornerbacks on their All Pro team.
Speaker 3: The one was Patrick Certain Obviously Ceedee Lamb was one
Speaker 3: of the wide receivers with Tyree Kill. But I thought
Speaker 3: from a player vote, this one was most interesting. The
Speaker 3: starting guards Tyler Smith and Zach Martin the awesome The
Speaker 3: players knew, players knew what Tyler Smith was doing this year.
Speaker 3: Obviously Brandon Aubrey was the kicker. So that's how the
Speaker 3: players kind of voted on you know what's happening with
Speaker 3: this team. So thought we talk a little, you know,
Speaker 3: we did it yesterday. I can't remember if it was
Speaker 3: what you were worried about going into this game, but
Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy even mentioned it today in his press conference
Speaker 3: when he was talking about you know, he said, this
Speaker 3: is what it's all about, stopping the run, and it
Speaker 3: is every week and if you notice the specific playoff time, right,
Speaker 3: the Packers have been running the ball pretty well these
Speaker 3: last three weeks. So that was one of his concerns.
Speaker 3: And I don't know it was my concern. I don't
Speaker 3: know about you guys.
Speaker 2: Mine was mine was penalties, that's right now.
Speaker 5: That was something that that really got me. We've been
Speaker 5: doing very well, if I'm not mistaken the last three games,
Speaker 5: especially this last game. But you know, when you look
Speaker 5: at the caliber of play of who we're playing against,
Speaker 5: if you're not pressured that much, then you won't get
Speaker 5: many penalties.
Speaker 2: That's why I liked our.
Speaker 5: Position with the Detroit game because we didn't have a
Speaker 5: lot of penalties in that game. Okay, and they had some,
Speaker 5: but we didn't have a lot that really hurt us
Speaker 5: that much. We kind of trended downward in that regard.
Speaker 5: So you can see it. There's an emphasis emphasis there
Speaker 5: on not having his made penalties from the Dallas Cowboy.
Speaker 3: Side, and you'll be glad to know that we have
Speaker 3: some numbers to back up your perception.
Speaker 2: Okay, So.
Speaker 3: In the victory over Philadelphia, for what it's worth, they
Speaker 3: had seven. Well let's go back one more. Are we
Speaker 3: talking about the Cowboys penalties? Yeah, they had nine against Seattle,
Speaker 3: seven against the bottom Philadelphia, and then it went down
Speaker 3: in the last four games, even though two of them
Speaker 3: were losses. Five for forty eight in Buffalo, six for
Speaker 3: thirty eight in Miami, five for thirty four against Detroit,
Speaker 3: and then this last game only two for twenty yards.
Speaker 2: Minimal, very minimal. I like that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So that was one of the things that got mentioned
Speaker 3: sort of in the walk off, and McCarthy was pretty
Speaker 3: happy about that.
Speaker 5: And you should be, because you're talking about you know,
Speaker 5: we've got enough issues right now trying to stop the run.
Speaker 5: I mean, we don't need anything to compound that, right
Speaker 5: and we haven't compounded on that so far. So that's
Speaker 5: a good thing. We deal with one problem at a time. Okay,
Speaker 5: we got the penalties. Now we're trying to work on
Speaker 5: stopping the run, and we're not having to deal with
Speaker 5: two problems at once.
Speaker 3: Also speaking of the run, he mentioned that he thought
Speaker 3: Hankins did well in the game, although they regulated as
Speaker 3: snaps so they didn't want to overdo it.
Speaker 4: Between him and Mazie.
Speaker 3: I assumed, Yeah, I guess I could have looked that up.
Speaker 3: As you guys talk amongst yourselves, Well.
Speaker 2: Well you're looking up.
Speaker 3: I was going to look up how many snaps he
Speaker 3: had in the game.
Speaker 4: Hankins versus Mazzi.
Speaker 6: One of the things that I wanted to bring up
Speaker 6: was Micah Parsons and I believe it's forty eight now,
Speaker 6: consecutive quarters without a holding call.
Speaker 2: That's not good.
Speaker 4: People on Twitter, I've been reaching out about it.
Speaker 6: I mean, I see text coming in with questions about it,
Speaker 6: and it's almost like, you know that streaks lasting longer
Speaker 6: than Brandon Aubrey's.
Speaker 2: Yes, not cool at all. No, No, that is not cool.
Speaker 5: You're talking about the number one pressure defender, a rusher,
Speaker 5: the number one pressure rusher.
Speaker 2: He hadn't gotten any holding.
Speaker 4: Calls in forty eight.
Speaker 2: Come on, that's just ridiculous.
Speaker 5: That makes no sense at all, And no matter how
Speaker 5: much he fusses, it's almost like they close their ears
Speaker 5: and eyes to it. Because I saw how many other
Speaker 5: guys face the other day pleading with him. Hey, the
Speaker 5: guys are holding me and I don't know what he's
Speaker 5: said back to him, but it doesn't matter. What the
Speaker 5: crap if you ain't throwing flags.
Speaker 3: Right and we're talking, Yeah, no holding calls.
Speaker 2: If you can believe that, that's crazy, man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it just it just continued. And by the
Speaker 3: way it was pointed out, I think when someone didn't
Speaker 3: went on the walk off that the head referee would
Speaker 3: be Ron Tolbert in this game. So if anybody wants
Speaker 3: to look up his history.
Speaker 2: And I heard that they were, they were. They were
Speaker 2: flag happy Tolbert's crew.
Speaker 3: But see now what happens is it's the all star
Speaker 3: crews for the playoffs, so they kind of get the
Speaker 3: best guys to do the other positions. Not totally his crew, yeah,
Speaker 3: but I think there's a kind of a thinking in
Speaker 3: the NFL that whoever the the guys that are helping
Speaker 3: the officials, they follow the lead of the head referee.
Speaker 3: So probably however he goes through a season, that's probably
Speaker 3: what will influence his guys. So we'll see if he
Speaker 3: can see penalties and that history.
Speaker 2: Man, we gotta find out that history.
Speaker 3: Look at that crew, and yeah, if they called any
Speaker 3: offensive holding calls right, goodness gracious. Well, you know, when
Speaker 3: we talked about yesterday the uh, the influence of penalty,
Speaker 3: especially if they're on your offense. We talked about how
Speaker 3: in the championship game, the college championship game Washington, it
Speaker 3: seemed like every time they took two steps forward, they
Speaker 3: ended up taking three steps back with a penalty.
Speaker 5: Well, number one, the pressure was about four or five
Speaker 5: steps out into his backfield as well. And every time
Speaker 5: he's throwing it, he never threw it comfortably off his
Speaker 5: back foot. Every time he's throwing the box, like hey,
Speaker 5: you know, he's just kind of flipped it out there
Speaker 5: because someone was either in his face here, he's got
Speaker 5: to flip it under, they're down here at his feet.
Speaker 5: He's flipped it over. So now I think they said
Speaker 5: his uh penix's stock may have dropped during the game.
Speaker 5: I thought it pretty much looked it was the same.
Speaker 5: You could just see that he was under durest the
Speaker 5: entire time. And I was a bit in pressed on
Speaker 5: how he was able to get the ball off. Really
Speaker 5: when it comes down to not only.
Speaker 4: That, but he was hurting out there.
Speaker 6: You could tell he was in he was in pain,
Speaker 6: and he was like, I am staying in this game.
Speaker 2: I would not have let him finish that game. I
Speaker 2: would not have let him.
Speaker 3: Well, that might say something to who the back was. Plus,
Speaker 3: you know, Covern quarterbacks are stubborn, right, they don't want
Speaker 3: to come out well to finish on this this running.
Speaker 3: The Cowboys have done a pretty good job over this
Speaker 3: last month. If you look at they held Seattle, which
Speaker 3: likes to run the ball to seventy two yards rushing,
Speaker 3: Philadelphia one hundred and six, and that's you know, when
Speaker 3: you add in what the quarterback is going to do,
Speaker 3: that's that's reasonable. The problem down the stretch was Buffalo
Speaker 3: where they gave up the two sixty six, but they
Speaker 3: also ran it forty nine times, so but they averaged
Speaker 3: five point four. They held Miami the ninety one Detroit
Speaker 3: to one twenty five on thirty one carries, so that's
Speaker 3: just four yards of carry. And then in this last game,
Speaker 3: and I'm sure Washington wanted to do it fifty yards
Speaker 3: rushing and they only ran the ball seventeen times.
Speaker 5: Well, now a lot of that was dictated by our offense. Right,
Speaker 5: because we were pretty much moving the ball, and a
Speaker 5: lot of times it was in catchup mode by the opposition,
Speaker 5: so they could have been running the ball a little
Speaker 5: bit more because the game got a little bit wide
Speaker 5: open at that time.
Speaker 2: Miami's game didn't start off like that. It started off
Speaker 2: where Miami was in control.
Speaker 5: But then once we saw that we had to score
Speaker 5: and the game became a passing game, everybody abandoned the
Speaker 5: running game. And now you could say that in a
Speaker 5: couple of those games to figure out your numbers.
Speaker 3: I wanted to look up and I can do it
Speaker 3: when we come back from the break. But in the
Speaker 3: regular season game last year against Green Bay, I had
Speaker 3: this idea, you know, the one they won thirty one
Speaker 3: twenty eight, that they ran the ball pretty well against
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Speaker 3: In the Packers thirty one twenty eight overtime victory against
Speaker 3: the Cowboys last year. During the regular season, the Packers
Speaker 3: ran the ball thirty nine times for two hundred and
Speaker 3: seven yards, so I would imagine the Cowboys will be
Speaker 3: very focused on stopping the run.
Speaker 5: Every time we bring up failures of the Cowboys in postseason,
Speaker 5: the running game seems to coincide with that. Anytime we
Speaker 5: give up a lot of yards running, it seems to
Speaker 5: be our doom and.
Speaker 2: Our downfall for the playoffs. So we got to make
Speaker 2: sure we understand that.
Speaker 3: So and Savannah brought this up on Aaron Jones and
Speaker 3: AJ Dillon that there are two running backs that we
Speaker 3: probably need to point out. Do you have their season
Speaker 3: stats there right.
Speaker 2: In front of me?
Speaker 4: Right now?
Speaker 6: I have Aaron Jones, So let me pull his everything
Speaker 6: from the season. But in his last game against the Bears,
Speaker 6: he averaged five yards per carry. He had one hundred
Speaker 6: and eleven rushing yards, twenty two attempts, no rushing touchdowns,
Speaker 6: and overall this season, let's see six hundred fifty six yards.
Speaker 5: Now, he was injured this year, it wasn't. I don't
Speaker 5: know if he played the entire season.
Speaker 2: Let me see what you're doing though with U s bags.
Speaker 3: I was getting ready to sneeze and I think I
Speaker 3: knocked out my headset. But other than that, I.
Speaker 4: Don't know about injuries.
Speaker 6: It does say that he has played since September tenth,
Speaker 6: and that was when he was you know, it was
Speaker 6: like a couple games eighteen yards, thirty five yards, twenty nine,
Speaker 6: so he may have been.
Speaker 3: They used both guys, okay, so Aaron Jones ended up
Speaker 3: with six hundred and fifty six yards rushing and aj
Speaker 3: Dillon six hundred and thirteen yards. But I thought what
Speaker 3: was significant was that in the last three games they've
Speaker 3: Aaron Jones has run for three hundred and fifty eight
Speaker 3: yards in the last three games and Dylan one hundred
Speaker 3: and sixty nine yards in the last three games. So
Speaker 3: if you add that up, it looks like it's about
Speaker 3: four hundred and twenty seven yards between the two of them.
Speaker 3: So they've run the ball pretty well in the last
Speaker 3: three games.
Speaker 5: So you got to look at the offensive line. Then
Speaker 5: they must be clicking really well together.
Speaker 3: And probably the game that they need is previously. So
Speaker 3: in the last three games, and it was against Carolina,
Speaker 3: the team ran for one hundred and sixty two. Against
Speaker 3: Minnesota won seventy seven, and against the Bears won twenty four.
Speaker 5: And during that time, Jordan Love has been playing some
Speaker 5: of his best.
Speaker 3: Footbeah So and he's played better too, and probably coincides
Speaker 3: with what's been going on out there. So yeah, that's
Speaker 3: one of the things that Cowboys definitely have to concentrate
Speaker 3: on because, as we know, the last two times they
Speaker 3: were eliminated in the playoffs by San Francisco, San Francisco
Speaker 3: ran for one hundred more than one hundred yards in
Speaker 3: both of those games. And then if we go back
Speaker 3: to twenty eighteen when they got beat by the Rams, Yeah,
Speaker 3: oh wow, I think that was It's like it sticks
Speaker 3: in my mind. It was two hundred and seventy Yeah. Bye,
Speaker 3: we came off the bench, right, came off the couch,
Speaker 3: not the men the couch, right. So yeah, being able
Speaker 3: to stop the run is going to be vital, uh
Speaker 3: in this game, and that normally happens. You know, when
Speaker 3: you're on the road, you want to be able to
Speaker 3: run the ball, even though it's in you to take
Speaker 3: the crowd out of the game, right, Yeah, exactly, And
Speaker 3: that was another topic that came up today, the home crowd.
Speaker 3: I see you guys want to white out? Is that
Speaker 3: what I heard?
Speaker 4: We are white out where white. We're gonna have white
Speaker 4: towels on all of the.
Speaker 6: Seats for everybody. We're bringing the energy, Cowboys fans bring
Speaker 6: the energy.
Speaker 2: That was they brought a lot of energy to last game.
Speaker 2: That was nice. It was exciting too for that game
Speaker 2: that was Detroit.
Speaker 3: I just hope that green doesn't really show up with
Speaker 3: all the white because you know, the big cheese pose
Speaker 3: people move down here.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they're gonna be here.
Speaker 5: They're gonna be They're gonna represent very well and they
Speaker 5: have a proud tradition in green back.
Speaker 3: So let me ask you, does the home crowd do
Speaker 3: anything for you?
Speaker 2: And it does again, it does well.
Speaker 5: First of all, it affects the communication by the opponents.
Speaker 5: It affects communication big time. And it's just human nature.
Speaker 5: You know, people ask me a question. You've asked me
Speaker 5: the question about you know, playing away from home versus
Speaker 5: versus on the road. First of all, you love to
Speaker 5: kick somebody's ass at their place. That's always a nice
Speaker 5: little present. But at the same time, when you go there,
Speaker 5: you better be ready because they are going to bring everything.
Speaker 5: First of all, you know, people talking bad about you.
Speaker 5: You can hear them talking bad about you in the stands.
Speaker 5: You can hear them when you come out. You can
Speaker 5: tell that those cheers are not for you. You know,
Speaker 5: you can try to fool yourself. Yeah, they're cheering for me. No,
Speaker 5: you can't even fool yourself in that regard. You know
Speaker 5: whose side the fans are on. And if you're weak enough,
Speaker 5: they'll get to you. If you're weak enough, they'll get
Speaker 5: to you as a team. If you're weak enough, then
Speaker 5: they will break you down. That's why I always always
Speaker 5: wanted this team to not be front runners. I want
Speaker 5: them to be able to go win whatever they need
Speaker 5: to win. That's the way it was back in the
Speaker 5: eighties with the Cowboys. That's the way it was in
Speaker 5: the nineties when I was with the Giants. I know
Speaker 5: that feeling, and you know when you step into the
Speaker 5: stadium if it's going to affect you or not. You
Speaker 5: can tell sometimes when the Cowboys step into a hostile
Speaker 5: environment that they are affected by it. You can also
Speaker 5: tell when the opponents come into at and T Stadium
Speaker 5: that they are affected by it.
Speaker 3: Especially I would imagine offensively right with the snap count
Speaker 3: and trying to make play calls at the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 5: It seems to affect everything. It seems to affect the
Speaker 5: play calls by the referee. It seems like the referees
Speaker 5: are fairly by home field. They are they're just human. Basketball, football,
Speaker 5: it doesn't.
Speaker 3: Matter, especially basketball, especially right there. Did you notice it
Speaker 3: when you were playing basketball, the crowd if you were
Speaker 3: at an away game.
Speaker 5: No, no, not basketball. Basketball is a different sport. It's
Speaker 5: not so physical. Yeah, you know, when you're talking football,
Speaker 5: you got the crowd. Then you got somebody trying to
Speaker 5: knock your head off. That's a whole different story. And
Speaker 5: basketball is basketball. What you're gonna do?
Speaker 2: You foul me? Okay I could. My jump is still pretty,
Speaker 2: my jump is still bothered.
Speaker 3: So playing playing junior high basketball. Uh, I think the
Speaker 3: only time I realized the crowd was there when I
Speaker 3: was sitting wherever you sit to check into the game
Speaker 3: and somebody stuck a pin in my shorts from behind.
Speaker 4: Stop.
Speaker 3: Yes, they would only pick on you because little guy
Speaker 3: was in there. They figured.
Speaker 2: Some accident. Well they knew who to do.
Speaker 3: Like there were a lot of brothers in there where
Speaker 3: we were playing. But that was the one time I said,
Speaker 3: oh this is serious, right. Uh. When we played adult
Speaker 3: hockey and we played our charity challenge game, the one
Speaker 3: game that we played at the AC, I was telling
Speaker 3: Savannah about it and there was thirteen thousand people there
Speaker 3: for charity.
Speaker 2: Wow, and when you're repressing.
Speaker 3: When you're on the ice skating. The only time I
Speaker 3: could hear the crowd is like anticipating something good.
Speaker 2: Was going to happen.
Speaker 4: It's about to go in the.
Speaker 3: Right hurry up and something. But that was the only time.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I was just wondering, uh, because I didn't
Speaker 3: play enough.
Speaker 5: But you could tell that it affects the Cowboys. You
Speaker 5: can tell it effects other teams because we are we
Speaker 5: we are extremely aggressive at home and we don't show
Speaker 5: that aggression.
Speaker 2: I'm talking defensively on the road, right, We are extremely
Speaker 2: aggressive at home.
Speaker 5: I mean Jordan Lewis making the play he made, Dnathan
Speaker 5: Wilson playing his butter off at home. Those are the
Speaker 5: kind of thing we need, that same anticipation, that same positivity,
Speaker 5: because when you're on the road, you're mentally you're more pessimistic.
Speaker 5: When you're at home, the optimism just rains from everywhere.
Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: When you're on the roads, you have to create your optimism.
Speaker 5: I mean, you have to make a play even when
Speaker 5: you you know everyone's against you. It takes a tough mentality.
Speaker 3: So maybe that's why they played so well. In Washington
Speaker 3: this past Sunday because it was a.
Speaker 2: Home I feel that. Hear it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely so again Lighting and ask you, did you
Speaker 3: ever play sports that you were in front of a crowd?
Speaker 2: Did you play?
Speaker 4: I did? I played soccer. Okay, you played soccer. I
Speaker 4: don't like running now because of it. I won't run.
Speaker 6: But and also I did because obviously I'm from San
Speaker 6: Diego surfing.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, would go out in the.
Speaker 6: Morning, so there'd be no crowd, no crowd on the
Speaker 6: beach really, so it's more of a peaceful type of thing.
Speaker 6: But soccer soccer, yes, you obviously have have the crowd.
Speaker 6: But we had a really really great home stadium and
Speaker 6: our crowd support was next level, just our home team.
Speaker 3: But no, wait a minute, you said stadium. This was
Speaker 3: high school. You had a high.
Speaker 6: School like huge, Yeah, pretty big facility out there.
Speaker 2: In California, California.
Speaker 4: This is a big, big, old.
Speaker 2: Public Yeah soccer, No, this is California.
Speaker 3: I didn't know anything about soccer till I got to
Speaker 3: college because Saint Louis was a big soccer hub, and
Speaker 3: Saint Louis you great soccer teams, right, But the high
Speaker 3: schools all played soccer and I got to we You
Speaker 3: know what, I don't think I ever played soccer. I
Speaker 3: don't even know if we ever had a soccer ball, right,
Speaker 3: the only soccer we would have done is in the street.
Speaker 5: And if I'm not mistaken, Bergner High School was good
Speaker 5: at soccer back in the seventies and eight right.
Speaker 3: So when we were in college, the intermural soccer was
Speaker 3: a pretty high level because all those kids from Saint
Speaker 3: Louis knew how to play, right, And then I ended
Speaker 3: up doing I was officiating inner murals and when we
Speaker 3: got to soccer, and they knew I didn't know. But
Speaker 3: it's like you just called the lines on the outside,
Speaker 3: who got the ball, who gets the ball after it
Speaker 3: goes out of bounds.
Speaker 5: The only soccer I played was my mom was she
Speaker 5: was at this camp and I guess she was a
Speaker 5: camp mother or whatever. So she I need a job
Speaker 5: for the summer. So then they hired me to hang
Speaker 5: out with the kids, and so soccer was one of
Speaker 5: our activities so we could waste time. Yeah, you don't
Speaker 5: have nothing else to do before lunch. I remember beating
Speaker 5: up on the kids. I don't know what got into me.
Speaker 2: I got a little too uh.
Speaker 5: I got a little aggressive man getting into the gate
Speaker 5: kicking me. They staid start kicking the ball. They were
Speaker 5: kicking me. So yeah, I was not a good camp
Speaker 5: whatever was a good camp worker.
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Speaker 3: Very nice, all right, continue on this Green Bay Packer subject.
Speaker 3: This will be the ninth time the Cowboys have played
Speaker 3: the Packers in the playoffs. Guess what the overall record
Speaker 3: is for the two teams.
Speaker 2: Tell us four and four.
Speaker 3: There you go.
Speaker 2: I gather it right, Thank you teacher.
Speaker 3: And that started with the Cowboys losing the first two
Speaker 3: meetings and the NFC title games in nineteen sixty six
Speaker 3: at the Cotton Bowl and nineteen sixty seven at the
Speaker 3: Ice Bowl or in Green Bay at lambeau Field the Packers,
Speaker 3: and then they met four times and consecutively, and the
Speaker 3: no three times consecutively and the one time when Everson
Speaker 3: was playing in eighty two right the tournament, so the
Speaker 3: Cowboys beat him four times in a row, and then
Speaker 3: the Packers have won the last two meetings for four
Speaker 3: and four. But how's this for streaks? Since November fifteenth
Speaker 3: of two thousand and nine, the Packers have won nine
Speaker 3: of the last meetings with the Cowboys, and that includes
Speaker 3: the two playoff games. But prior to that, to show
Speaker 3: you how unbalanced this whole thing was, Dallas won eleven
Speaker 3: of thirteen meetings against the Packers from nineteen ninety one
Speaker 3: through two thousand and eight, and eight straight from ninety
Speaker 3: one to ninety six. The Packers got very tired of
Speaker 3: having to play the Cowboys in the playoffs in the
Speaker 3: nineties and here, and they played always here. Why we're
Speaker 3: always gonna play there? And then then they finally that
Speaker 3: streak of home games against the Packers was broken in
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety seven when the Cowboys went there and got clobbered.
Speaker 3: And I believe they were six and five at that point,
Speaker 3: and they did not win another game, leading to Barry
Speaker 3: Switzer getting fired. So the down it was a downhill
Speaker 3: run there, and they got clobbered in that game at
Speaker 3: Lambeau and it was so cold. I remember that, not
Speaker 3: Ice Bowl cold, but so old and old and old enough. Right,
Speaker 3: So at least though, it's kind of even, and this
Speaker 3: will be the ninth playoff game against these two teams.
Speaker 6: So ever, since yesterday I was telling Mickey one of
Speaker 6: my very good family friends growing up from Carlsbad, California.
Speaker 6: He was a wide receiver for the Packers when they
Speaker 6: won the Super Bowl here with Mike McCarthy in the
Speaker 6: twenty two or twenty ten eleven season.
Speaker 4: His name's Brett Swain. So I texted him yesterday.
Speaker 6: I said, can't believe we're playing the pack this weekend
Speaker 6: in Dallas, And he said, two world class organizations ran
Speaker 6: by great people.
Speaker 4: Cowboys might have this in the bag.
Speaker 2: So it's hard for to say that.
Speaker 4: It's hard for him to.
Speaker 6: Say that with a Super Bowl ring, but you know,
Speaker 6: it's it's great to see. But I posed this question
Speaker 6: yesterday to you guys, playoff games. Which playoff games stands
Speaker 6: out in your mind? Just one that is like that
Speaker 6: is the one that I always think about when I'm
Speaker 6: thinking about the playoffs.
Speaker 4: Any anyone that was just very the mine is a negative.
Speaker 3: Let's start here. How many how many three playoff game?
Speaker 3: Four playoff games in your career with.
Speaker 2: The Cowboys with the Cowboys?
Speaker 3: Yeah, three eighty five?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, okay, I wasn't in this game. No, this
Speaker 2: is just as a fan, Okay. No.
Speaker 5: I just remember I thought that this was going to
Speaker 5: be Romo's year to go to the Super Bowl, that
Speaker 5: they had everything on lockdown. They had such a good team,
Speaker 5: good running game and everything. It was when they lost
Speaker 5: to the New York.
Speaker 3: Giants two thousand and seven, season.
Speaker 5: Thirteen and three, right, yes, and all I remember in
Speaker 5: the first.
Speaker 2: Round, by by the way, yes, yes.
Speaker 5: And it ended up being not the Cowboys year. It
Speaker 5: ended up being the Giants year, you know, because then
Speaker 5: they went from Dallas and then they went to beat
Speaker 5: Green Bay in Green Bay. Brett fav I just remember
Speaker 5: sitting on the couch and my my best friend was like,
Speaker 5: Brett fav is gonna throw an interception.
Speaker 2: They're gonna lose this game. And sure enough, right after
Speaker 2: it came up.
Speaker 5: His mouth, Brett did with Brett Dues at the end, right, yeah,
Speaker 5: right at the end, because they were driving, they would
Speaker 5: driving and he throws out this, He just threw it
Speaker 5: out there.
Speaker 2: But That was so crazy.
Speaker 5: But before that, I always remember Patrick crighton the man.
Speaker 5: I loved Creighton. He was a hell of a player.
Speaker 5: But when he missed that ball, it was a quick
Speaker 5: slamt going across the middle, a lot tyreek hill, you know,
Speaker 5: running too fast for his hands, and it slipped through
Speaker 5: his hands. That would have been a touchdown, yes, and
Speaker 5: that would have iced the game. I believe that would
Speaker 5: have iced the game if he would have scored that.
Speaker 5: I really felt bad for Cowboy fans at that time
Speaker 5: because I wasn't all the ways sold back in after
Speaker 5: retiring and things of that nature, but my family was
Speaker 5: and bought.
Speaker 2: That hurt everybody in the house.
Speaker 3: So I remember that play, and I can't remember if
Speaker 3: Troy was doing the game or if he had just
Speaker 3: mentioned this about that play to Creighton. He goes, he
Speaker 3: catches that ball, He's going to hit his head on
Speaker 3: the crossbar.
Speaker 5: I mean it was. It was wide open. There was
Speaker 5: no one there. And I don't know if I keep
Speaker 5: trying to you know, you want to give give a
Speaker 5: guy some grace, maybe threw it too hard or whatever.
Speaker 5: Perfect pass and he caught. He was our mister reliable, right,
Speaker 5: He was our mister reliable on third downs all year
Speaker 5: long from the slot, and that was his moment.
Speaker 3: And the other part of that game, Terrell Owens played
Speaker 3: with a high ankle sprain and he was not Terryll Owen.
Speaker 5: Well, that's why we needed Creighton. That's why we needed him,
Speaker 5: and we leaned on him more so that game than in.
Speaker 3: The Remember they tried to just run, run, run in
Speaker 3: the first half, and they ran for one hundred yards
Speaker 3: of the first half, but they only scored fourteen points, right,
Speaker 3: and they just got away from what they were good at,
Speaker 3: meaning throwing the football. But then Owens just he was
Speaker 3: just a shadow of himself in that game.
Speaker 2: You have to give the Giants credit. In that game.
Speaker 5: They had a very good defense that kind of kept
Speaker 5: Eli and the Giants in every game. And they were
Speaker 5: that kind of like what we have now but a
Speaker 5: little bit better being but don't break. They weren't dominating now,
Speaker 5: but they made the plays they needed to make at
Speaker 5: the time.
Speaker 2: Then they got a little luck.
Speaker 3: The other thing I remember about it was that that
Speaker 3: second half they decided that Tony Romo could beat them
Speaker 3: by them by himself, and they decided, Okay, we're gonna
Speaker 3: put pressure on him. But they did it with their
Speaker 3: front four, right, they did.
Speaker 5: It, and that's why they were good. That front four
Speaker 5: was good. That was a straight hand, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: God, they had a couple other really solid players in
Speaker 5: there that were doing this all year long. So it
Speaker 5: was a team that was very unique and it was
Speaker 5: put together very well. And I think they that's the
Speaker 5: only team that they favor over the nineteen ninety Giants
Speaker 5: team that I was on that team from from that year.
Speaker 5: That's one of the favorite Giants organization, favorite teams that
Speaker 5: the Giants had in the organization.
Speaker 3: So I realized when I was thinking about games and
Speaker 3: I mentioned that they've played the Packers eight times. I
Speaker 3: saw the first two times on television because at the
Speaker 3: time I grew up in Chicago, but I was not
Speaker 3: a Bears fan. I was a Packers fan, right, So
Speaker 3: I watched those two games intensely, and really the only
Speaker 3: other games they played in the playoffs against the Packers.
Speaker 3: I would have missed the eighty two one. I don't
Speaker 3: know what I was doing, but I didn't watch it
Speaker 3: on TV. It wasn't a priority. But everyone after that
Speaker 3: I've seen, but the first two with the Packers looking
Speaker 3: like they're getting ready to lose on the last play
Speaker 3: of each of those games. The Ice Bowl. I can
Speaker 3: remember sitting there and when bart Starr came out, I
Speaker 3: am I was watching it. I can tell you exactly
Speaker 3: where I was sitting, sitting there watching my father. And
Speaker 3: it's seventeen fourteen and they got the ball on the
Speaker 3: one yard line, the Packers do, and there's sixteen seconds
Speaker 3: left to go. They do not have a time out,
Speaker 3: and I'm sitting there going, Okay, it's really hard to
Speaker 3: throw the ball. If they run and don't score, they're
Speaker 3: gonna lose. You got to kick the field goal, right,
Speaker 3: I'm telling my dad, you got to kick the field goals.
Speaker 3: So I was a teenager, early teenage years and I'm
Speaker 3: sitting there going, oh no, They're gonna snap the ball
Speaker 3: and run it. And it was like that. They scored
Speaker 3: right with I think there was well the play took
Speaker 3: like two seconds or whatever was left in the game,
Speaker 3: but it was minus thirteen. That's why they called it
Speaker 3: the ice Ball, and I was reading up on it,
Speaker 3: and by time they got to sixteen seconds left and
Speaker 3: it was inside the one, it was minus eighteen, by
Speaker 3: the way, and the two previous plays to that. They
Speaker 3: he didn't get a yard, they didn't move it, uh
Speaker 3: and uh, and so they score on basically what was
Speaker 3: gonna because if they don't score, game's over. Yeah, right,
Speaker 3: the Cowboys win. And to this day, and I remember
Speaker 3: one of the last interviews I did with Tech Shram
Speaker 3: when he was retiring from the Cowboys. We were talking
Speaker 3: about different things and and I brought up the ice
Speaker 3: ball and he goes with his real gruff voice that
Speaker 3: he'd talk with, He goes, Wow, that was like the
Speaker 3: dumbest call I've ever seen in football.
Speaker 2: Going for the touchdown.
Speaker 3: You got to kick the ball, get a field goal,
Speaker 3: going to overtime.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: He was still but hurt by that play, right it was.
Speaker 5: And they're still they're still trying to take credit for
Speaker 5: who made the block. You tell me, since you're the fan,
Speaker 5: who made the block? Was it Kramer or it was
Speaker 5: another who's the other guy it was?
Speaker 3: I thought it was I mean ken Bowman was the center.
Speaker 3: I thought he made one of the key blocks and there,
Speaker 3: but Kramer got the credit or he took the credit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he took the credit.
Speaker 3: To opening the whole field was a quarterback snack by
Speaker 3: Bart Starr.
Speaker 2: Theyre going to their graves with this. Yeah, I made
Speaker 2: the I played the block. No, I made the block.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna look up the highlight and I'll guarantee you
Speaker 3: No one expected bart Star to run with the ball,
Speaker 3: but they couldn't get any footing because it was frozen.
Speaker 3: The field was frozen, so it was easier for the
Speaker 3: quarterback just to lunge forward after he got the snap. Uh.
Speaker 3: The other game would have been the nineteen ninety four
Speaker 3: season NFC title game at San Francisco. The Cowboys got
Speaker 3: beat thirty eight twenty eight, another rainy, misty, soggy field.
Speaker 3: And what impressed me the most, so they're two time
Speaker 3: Super Bowl champs right ninety two, ninety three, ninety four,
Speaker 3: San Francisco at home field advantage and Cowboys finished twelve
Speaker 3: and four. They finished thirteen and three, and the first
Speaker 3: basically three times the Cowboys had the ball, Troy Aikman
Speaker 3: on the third play of the game gets intercepted return
Speaker 3: for a touchdown. On the next possession, on the third
Speaker 3: play of the possession, Michael Irvin catches a pass, he
Speaker 3: gets hit, they fumble. San Francisco recovers it and scores
Speaker 3: a touchdown, and then on the ensuing kickoff, Kevin Williams
Speaker 3: returns it like twenty two yards, fumbles and sets up
Speaker 3: their third touchdown.
Speaker 4: Do you think that haunts them today? Yeah, with like
Speaker 4: keep them up a nightsto.
Speaker 3: Six minutes gone in the game. It's twenty one to
Speaker 3: nothing already, right, and they fought back, fought back, got
Speaker 3: it to thirty eight twenty eight, and they're driving inside.
Speaker 3: They're about the forty three yard line. They're driving inside
Speaker 3: San Francisco territory and Troy was a honey of a
Speaker 3: pass to Michael Irvin. Dion comes over the top and
Speaker 3: chops Michael's hand, arms out no interference call. It's gonna
Speaker 3: be a catch, and he's gonna be inside the five
Speaker 3: yard lane. And I guarantee you had they scored that
Speaker 3: touchdown and got it to within three, they stopped San
Speaker 3: Francisco on the next possession, and they couldn't deal with
Speaker 3: the Cowboys offense in that game.
Speaker 5: That is the only time I have ever seen Dion
Speaker 5: Sanders look beaten, right, the only time I've ever seen
Speaker 5: him look beaten in his career. And that's when you
Speaker 5: knew that Michael Irvin was a Savage because he wore
Speaker 5: him out the entire game because as they're coming back,
Speaker 5: Mike's he's the target. Oh yeah, he's a target every time.
Speaker 5: It's like CD and they've had Dion on him the
Speaker 5: entire game.
Speaker 3: The second half because what they did the first half,
Speaker 3: what they did was they thought they can single Elvin
Speaker 3: Harper would with Dion take him out of the game
Speaker 3: and double Michael and it wasn't working. Yeah, so they said, okay,
Speaker 3: d On, you've got to cover Michael and that wasn't working.
Speaker 3: Akerman ended up throwing for three hundred and eighty yards,
Speaker 3: Steve Young one hundred and fifty five, right, I mean,
Speaker 3: all statistics were in the cowboys favor, but after the loot,
Speaker 3: getting behind twenty one nothing. I remember going down to
Speaker 3: the field. There was like a couple of minutes to go.
Speaker 3: The Cowboys were out of timeouts. They were beaten. Emmett
Speaker 3: I think was out of the game. He had a hamstring.
Speaker 3: Larry Allen couldn't go. They had to put a backup
Speaker 3: in for him. It was like, you know, Washington crossing
Speaker 3: the Delaware, you know. But they were still to the
Speaker 3: last second throwing the ball, trying to catch up when
Speaker 3: they were ten points down, right, And I thought it
Speaker 3: was the most valiant thing I'd ever seen. And it
Speaker 3: taught me a lesson about the heart of a champion
Speaker 3: because they weren't going to give in. To this day,
Speaker 3: Troy did a recent interview I was reading. They quoted him.
Speaker 3: He says, he said, it's the game I'm most proud
Speaker 3: of because they didn't quit.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And just sitting in the end zone, I remember
Speaker 3: getting chills watching this. My god, this thing's over with,
Speaker 3: but it's muddy. Everybody's beat up and they're still trying
Speaker 3: when all was lost. So that one will always stick
Speaker 3: in my mind.
Speaker 5: Uh, losses can be redeeming, right yeah.
Speaker 3: Uh? And and so then every turn the next year
Speaker 3: and spank that booty and won the Super Bowl. So
Speaker 3: beat the Packers that year, by the way, in the
Speaker 3: NFC title game. Maybe we should leave on that, no
Speaker 3: good question bringing that up? Yeah, absolutely for Savannah Everson,
Speaker 3: Mickey Spagnole here, And that was mix shots here on
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