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Speaker 1: What's up his way up at Angela yee, And it

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Speaker 1: is my favorite day, a Wealth Wednesday. I got my

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Speaker 1: partner Stacy Tisdale here.

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Speaker 2: Happy Wealth Wednesdays everybody, And we have something really special

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Speaker 2: for you. We know that it is mental Health Awareness months,

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Speaker 2: so we are going to focus on your mental health

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Speaker 2: and bring you some Brown Ambition with Mandy Woodruff Santos,

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Speaker 2: who is the founder of that amazing podcast. If you

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Speaker 2: haven't heard it, check it out that she founded with

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Speaker 2: another really good friend of ours, Tiffany the budget nista, Yes,

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Speaker 2: who recently left Mandy. You'll tell us all about that.

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Speaker 2: And now Brown Ambition is on iheartline and it's all hers,

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Speaker 2: And let's start right with that. What was that transition?

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Speaker 3: Like, oh, I mean.

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Speaker 4: Who likes change? Nobody right, Like it's it's it can

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Speaker 4: be scary. I know Tiffany and I did the show

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Speaker 4: together for nine years and she's my girl, like we're sisters.

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Speaker 4: We start art it as more I would say business associates.

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Speaker 3: You know, I was a reporter. I wanted to do

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Speaker 4: I was sick of being the only chocolate chip in

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Speaker 4: the pancake. I was at Yahoo Finance, Business Insider and

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Speaker 4: I just wanted more of us. I went to this conference.

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Speaker 4: I met Tiffany and like six other black girls at

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Speaker 4: this conference, and I was like this, why can't we

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Speaker 4: just be together more? And so I trapped her into

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Speaker 4: doing ad I tricked her into doing a podcast with me,

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Speaker 4: Trick Trip, and it really started as like you're dope.

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Speaker 3: You know, she was a financial educator.

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Speaker 4: I brought that journalistic you know quality to it, me

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Speaker 4: my little fex and my like you know objectivity. And

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Speaker 4: then quickly, you know, or not quickly, over the next

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Speaker 4: nine years, we just became. We became more than like

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Speaker 4: just business, you know, partners. And we went through so much,

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Speaker 4: I mean, the death of her husband, to fertility journey,

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Speaker 4: my fertility journey, marriage.

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Speaker 3: We started the show.

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Speaker 4: I was twenty seven, you know, I was a baby,

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Speaker 4: and so you live a lot of life and we're

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Speaker 4: so fortunate that we were able to build that sisterhood

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Speaker 4: and so and she told me it was like, I

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Speaker 4: think I had a four month heads up. She called me,

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Speaker 4: I was blown up balloons from a kids party.

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Speaker 5: I would never forget that moment.

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Speaker 4: And my son's like, Mommy, what's the matter. And Tiffany's

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Speaker 4: on the phone like telling me that she's going to

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Speaker 3: And I think I was just sad.

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Speaker 4: I mean, but Tiff is really good at trusting her gut.

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Speaker 4: She's taught me so much about just listening to her instinct.

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Speaker 4: And so from there, we had four months to say goodbye,

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Speaker 4: and we did it right.

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Speaker 3: We did the damn thing. We said goodbye.

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Speaker 4: We we had doctor Joy from Therapy.

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Speaker 5: For Black Girls come on, Oh nice, nice.

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Speaker 3: Coach us through this new transition of our friendship.

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Speaker 1: And that's interesting because we had a conversation just up

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Speaker 1: you said, you guys started off really just working together

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Speaker 1: and then developed a friendship. And for some people that's

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Speaker 1: look at just because you work together and you're together

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Speaker 1: every day, that's supposed to me that your friends automatically,

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Speaker 4: Well, that's why I think it was good that we

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Speaker 4: started off as business. I always say this, like, I

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Speaker 5: We you know, when like you.

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Speaker 1: Know each other too well, Yeah, kind of take advantage

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Speaker 4: Yes, we were both like we still respect.

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Speaker 4: We respected each other a lot, right, So we showed

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Speaker 3: Now. I think this is just the beginning.

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Speaker 5: And yes, welcome to the family.

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Speaker 1: And I want to say, Mandy, we also have to

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Speaker 1: understand that people just because they go their separate ways

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Brown and Bush, especially in this time.

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Speaker 4: And I just felt this like calm come over me

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Speaker 4: same way. You have this platform, and I'm like, what

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Speaker 4: like I'm really walking in my purpose now, so helping

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Speaker 4: us get rich, build generational wealth, build resilience for the

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Speaker 5: Advocate for ourselves in the workplace.

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Speaker 2: When I was listening to you talk about Tiffany, and

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Speaker 2: I don't know why. It made me think of Angela

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Speaker 5: I thought you're about to leave me.

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Speaker 2: and that's how our relationship and friendship started. I always say, friends,

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Speaker 3: Knows what they're like, what they're like.

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Speaker 2: But you learn so much about each other and now

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Speaker 3: It's a wonderful partnership.

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Speaker 4: It helps if you're both in therapy and Okay, you're

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I don't want to scare anybody, but that's

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Speaker 4: know On a one to one basis, what has happened,

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Speaker 4: what you want to do next? Start reaching out to people,

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Speaker 4: and you'd be so surprised. Maybe not how scary and

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Speaker 2: So people can also work with you. So everybody's going

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Speaker 4: Oh please do Yeah, every Wednesday and Friday.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think it depends on what level you

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Speaker 4: are in your career, Like I think you have, for example, Angela,

441
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Speaker 4: like you have had such a storied career. I feel

442
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Speaker 4: like at this point you probably do have that, Like

443
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Speaker 4: I'm not getting out of bed for less than whatever.

444
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Speaker 4: We're like, I really know my value. You probably also have,

445
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Speaker 4: I hope, a network of similarly situated people who you

446
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Speaker 4: can rely on to tell you what's realistic and what

447
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Speaker 4: you should be asking for. Just this morning, Tiffany was like, Oh,

448
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Speaker 4: don't do that. You know, ask for this. And I

449
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Speaker 4: think if you're more advanced in your career, it's easier

450
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Speaker 4: to come in with a certain expectation of what you want. Now,

451
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Speaker 4: if you're earlier in your career, you know, mid entry level,

452
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Speaker 4: and you are coming to the table, you don't know

453
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Speaker 4: the other person on the other side of the negotiating table,

454
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Speaker 4: they don't know you. I do think the advice of

455
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Speaker 4: not giving a number it makes sense because, especially early

456
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Speaker 4: in your career, you don't have enough information potentially to

457
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Speaker 4: be throwing out numbers. You definitely could low ball yourself.

458
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Speaker 4: And so I do think that advice applies. And I

459
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Speaker 4: think it's also just a good time to remind you

460
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Speaker 4: all that all these various opinions are wonderful. I love

461
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Speaker 4: that you had two different versions of that advice because

462
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Speaker 4: we need to be open to what's going to fit

463
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Speaker 4: this situation, right, and the you know.

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Speaker 2: Person journalistically and we're both financial journalists, also know the

465
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Speaker 2: numbers and know the situation before you get into that.

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Speaker 2: Because the Reality Economic Bureau of Research, ninety two percent

467
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Speaker 2: of men negotiate their first salary, seven percent of women

468
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Speaker 2: negotiate their first salary. Not negotiating your first salary cost

469
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Speaker 2: about eight hundred and fifty thousand dollars over the life

470
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Speaker 2: of a career. Now imagine that invested. So knowing like

471
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Speaker 2: you were saying, talking to people emotionally about you know

472
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Speaker 2: why you should and should negotiate. That's one thing, but

473
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Speaker 2: also fill your head with facts and you know, take

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Speaker 2: those things into consideration. And I mean, I also hope

475
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Speaker 2: you make the decisions you're gonna hear. No.

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Speaker 4: I mean I was a country level and I was like,

477
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Speaker 4: can I have more money please? And they said no,

478
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Speaker 4: it's a recession. This was twenty eleven after the Great Recession,

479
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Speaker 4: and they're like, no, you want this job or not,

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Speaker 4: come get your little thirty five K. I was like,

481
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Speaker 4: you're right, absolutely, I will, I can I wear I

482
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Speaker 4: have no, I will be packing my bags up back

483
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Speaker 4: on the midnight train to Georgia if I don't take

484
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Speaker 4: this job, so absolutely I have no leverage. Got it

485
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Speaker 4: and for me, But the practice of asking and hearing

486
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Speaker 4: no early in your career, I do believe it's really

487
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Speaker 4: important because you will get to that. Yes, the more

488
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Speaker 4: you prove yourself and you build your brand and you

489
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Speaker 4: have your portfolio of work, your experience, but you do

490
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Speaker 4: need to get You need to be able to withstand

491
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Speaker 4: the nose and yeah, they and even when you deserve it,

492
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Speaker 4: and all the research you've done shows you should be

493
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Speaker 4: getting something, and they still say, no, that's information you

494
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Speaker 4: can use. Okay, so this isn't the place it's gonna

495
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Speaker 4: value me.

496
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Speaker 3: So I got to be always.

497
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Speaker 4: Be looking for more opportunities, always keeping your network warm,

498
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Speaker 4: you know, have a coffee, you know, have a check

499
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Speaker 4: in with mentors of yours, peers of yours, and just

500
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Speaker 4: make it a practice to stay connected. I think the

501
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Speaker 4: pandemic created this idea that we could just all go

502
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Speaker 4: in under our like snuggies and like never leave the

503
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Speaker 4: house and cancel plans with people. Don't cancel plans, show

504
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Speaker 4: up because those are the people.

505
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Speaker 3: Who can show up for you.

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Speaker 4: So I'm like, I'm an introvert, I'm pushing myself. I'm

507
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Speaker 4: going to need a big nap after this conversation.

508
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Speaker 3: I'm giving a lot and that's okay.

509
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Speaker 4: But like, now I've met two incredible, you know women,

510
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Speaker 4: and we can support each other, and like that's that's

511
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Speaker 4: the advice I wish I wish more moment of color

512
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Speaker 4: were taking. Is like, push yourself out of your comfort zone.

513
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Speaker 4: We kind of get so much further when we nurture

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Speaker 4: those relationships.

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Speaker 1: How is it when it's time to switch, because you

516
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Speaker 1: know a lot of times you do want to switch years.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you've been doing something for X amount of time,

518
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Speaker 1: but now I want to switch over to another path.

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Speaker 1: But now I got to start at the bottom, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: talk to me about that.

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Speaker 5: I actually it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: This whole conversation makes me think about when I first

523
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Speaker 1: started doing radio and I had to really take like

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Speaker 1: a severe cut in what I was making.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, like thank you, iHeart.

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Speaker 1: But but when I first started, I knew that I

527
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Speaker 1: had never done radio before.

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Speaker 5: So I did accept that, but it was kind of

529
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Speaker 5: hard for me.

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Speaker 1: I did negotiate though, after a year and got a

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Speaker 1: forty percent raise and they were.

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Speaker 3: Really underpaying you.

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Speaker 1: They were absolutely sounds like a lot, but you know

534
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Speaker 1: it's not a lot when you're not making a lot.

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Speaker 3: So it's just because you wanted to switch into Yeah.

536
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Speaker 1: So I switched into radio to make, you know, way

537
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Speaker 1: less than what I was making doing marketing.

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Speaker 5: But I also knew this was something.

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Speaker 1: That I had to like start that way because I

540
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Speaker 1: didn't have anything to point to to be like, well,

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Speaker 1: I've done this, I've done that. I have relationships they

542
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Speaker 1: don't care, and like you said, it is a feel

543
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Speaker 1: that it is not easy to make a lot of

544
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Speaker 1: money in and so I started there. And then it's

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Speaker 1: also hard if you don't negotiate your salary to negotiate

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Speaker 1: that race because you're starting at such a bottom. You

547
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Speaker 1: point as well, And these are all things that I

548
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Speaker 1: had to take into consideration when it came to that.

549
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Speaker 1: But when you want to switch into a new field,

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Speaker 1: how do you approach that?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think the first thing is to not tell

552
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Speaker 4: yourself that you're for sure going to have to take

553
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Speaker 4: a pay cut, especially if you're more advanced in your career.

554
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Speaker 3: You have to own your story. And I was just

555
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Speaker 3: talking to my brother. My brother's in AI.

556
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Speaker 4: Sales, and he and I are so different. He's like

557
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Speaker 4: mister business and I'm like, oh, artsy and that's.

558
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Speaker 3: Me and my brother see free.

559
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Speaker 4: And but what we both agree on is how essential

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Speaker 4: storytelling is to his success as a sales director and

561
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Speaker 4: as my success as a creator, as a writer, as

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Speaker 4: a journalist. Because you walk into an interview and like,

563
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Speaker 4: I'll just give an example. Let's say I'm a teacher,

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Speaker 4: I want to transition into tech. I want to do

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Speaker 4: I want to be a salesperson, and I walk into

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Speaker 4: an interview if I get one and they're like, okay,

567
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Speaker 4: so I see that you've been teaching science for ten years,

568
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Speaker 4: like or just are you in the right place? And

569
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Speaker 4: you can go, oh yeah, yeah, you know, like I

570
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Speaker 4: always love teaching, but you know, like this doesn't pay

571
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Speaker 4: that great and you're like not sure of your story.

572
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Speaker 4: But if you go in there and you're like, have

573
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Speaker 4: you seen abbat Elementary? That is the hardest work of

574
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Speaker 4: my life. I can do anything. Now I am a

575
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Speaker 4: powerhouse and selling this product which I can I can

576
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Speaker 4: teach anyone about because I have these skills as a teacher,

577
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Speaker 4: and really, sales is about explaining the mission behind a product.

578
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Speaker 4: And getting people to buy in, Oh, I'm your girl.

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Speaker 4: Then that's a very different conversation. The other person's going

580
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Speaker 4: to believe in you because they're going to feel that

581
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Speaker 4: confidence from yourself.

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Speaker 3: So you got to own that story.

583
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Speaker 4: So if you're pivoting from one place to the next,

584
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Speaker 4: and this is another reason to not just just focus

585
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Speaker 4: on your resume and apply for a job, you need

586
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Speaker 4: to get in front of people. You need to like

587
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Speaker 4: get on the phone with somebody, so a contact who

588
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Speaker 4: knows people who may be hiring, because they need to

589
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Speaker 4: see you. They need to hear your story, so they

590
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Speaker 4: want to root for you, so they will help you

591
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Speaker 4: get past that initial resume scan where they're not really

592
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 4: seeing what you have that you can offer them. And

593
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Speaker 4: if you can just tell that story confidently. I do

594
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Speaker 4: a lot of practice with people role playing, like tell

595
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Speaker 4: me your story, tell me what you have to offer,

596
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Speaker 4: and when you can do that convincingly, that can definitely help. Also,

597
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Speaker 4: it is, you know, a little bit easier if you're

598
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Speaker 4: not pivoting out of the industry and the work that

599
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Speaker 4: you're doing. Sometimes you can you know, you can be

600
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Speaker 4: a you know, a research analyst at a beverage company

601
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Speaker 4: and you may want to pivot into the beauty industry

602
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Speaker 4: but still be a research analyst. That may be a

603
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Speaker 4: bit easier. Or you know, flip that you're in the

604
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Speaker 4: beverage industry as a research analyst, but you want to

605
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Speaker 4: be sales, so maybe you stay in beverage, but you

606
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Speaker 4: do say instead, so that can be a bit you

607
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Speaker 4: know easier. And I just I also think like let's

608
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Speaker 4: encourage change, Like let's let's stop thinking of of of

609
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Speaker 4: a linear path and just rewrite you know, these like

610
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 4: these stories that we keep telling ourselves about where we

611
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 4: have to go and what's next.

612
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Speaker 3: What's a nine to five entrepreneur me?

613
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Speaker 4: Or it was me, Yeah, so a nine to five entrepreneur. Oh,

614
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 4: those are my favorite people. And I actually think if

615
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Speaker 4: you want financial resiliency, I think nine to five entrepreneurship

616
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 4: is a great idea. So that's when you are working

617
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Speaker 4: full time for the man, for the corporate and you

618
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Speaker 4: are getting your because unfortunately in this country, you got

619
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Speaker 4: to do that to get healthcare. For the most part,

620
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Speaker 4: you're getting your benefits. You know, you're getting your stable

621
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Speaker 4: quote unquote you know, bi weekly paycheck. But then you're

622
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Speaker 4: also creating your own business on the side, and business

623
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Speaker 4: does not have to mean you have a physical office

624
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Speaker 4: space and you have employees.

625
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Speaker 3: It can be.

626
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Speaker 4: For me, it was starting Brown Ambition, that was my

627
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 4: side hustle, now was my main hustle.

628
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Speaker 3: Love it.

629
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Speaker 4: I still got me almost like Brown Ambitions, my nine

630
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 4: to five and Mandy Money Mandy Money Makers is my

631
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Speaker 4: passion project.

632
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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Well, I got the kids.

633
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Speaker 4: It's all mixed up.

634
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Speaker 3: It's twenty four hours and I really encourage.

635
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Speaker 4: That one and my brother would be so proud again

636
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Speaker 4: because he's like, screw being a starving artist. He's a filmmaker,

637
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 4: but he works in AI sales. He can make a

638
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Speaker 4: thirty thousand dollars short film which is incredible by the way,

639
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 4: go see it Thomasville. But he can also like he

640
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 4: shows up and gets his money and that's how he

641
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 4: fuels his passion. Now, I went the starving artist round

642
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 4: trying to be a writer journalist. But I believe in

643
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 4: that strategy. I believe that like the nine to five entrepreneur,

644
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 4: it just makes so much sense. And you don't need

645
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 4: to go and quit your job and then go try

646
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 4: to running a business. Is hella hard?

647
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Speaker 3: Yeah?

648
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Speaker 5: I know, so hard.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know if my business would exist if

650
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Speaker 1: I didn't have a nine to five job, because it

651
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: takes a long time to even make money if.

652
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Speaker 2: You ever do and downs.

653
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Speaker 1: But then I also, on the flip side, think that

654
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Speaker 1: if I if I spent more time on it and

655
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Speaker 1: was there like, because that's the balance that people have

656
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: as entrepreneurs. At some point they feel like, maybe I

657
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Speaker 1: do have to quit my nine to five in order

658
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Speaker 1: to give this all of the attention that it deserves,

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Speaker 1: because there are people who have done that and felt

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Speaker 1: like that is the way that they're going to grow

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Speaker 1: their business to the point because sometimes it is hard

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Speaker 1: when you have you have kids, you have a family,

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Speaker 1: you have a nine to five, and you have your entrepreneurship.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so we crash out exactly. Yeah, it's there shoulds,

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Speaker 4: you know, it really is. It's like you have to

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Speaker 4: like you're you are figuring out your own path. And

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Speaker 4: I think social media, especially in the pandemic, you saw

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Speaker 4: so many business influencers.

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Speaker 3: I can teach you how to have an.

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Speaker 4: Online business and start a course and start a community.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I'm looking at all this like maybe

672
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Speaker 4: it's gonna be fun for the first year, but you

673
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Speaker 4: will hit those ebbs and flows and maybe like marketing

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Speaker 4: is a long term game, and how do you get

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Speaker 4: customers coming back they buy from you once and make

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Speaker 4: them a returning customer. Those are really difficult skills to

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Speaker 4: teach people just on the internet, and I think I

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Speaker 4: have I know several and I've been thinking about doing

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Speaker 4: an episode about this, but five at least influencer creator

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Speaker 4: friends of mine who left corporate during the pandemic started

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Speaker 4: their own businesses and are going back to corporate because

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Speaker 4: even they are like, oh, we like that a little

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Speaker 4: bit of stability. I can do both and I fully

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Speaker 4: support it. And we got to stop shutting ourselves to

685
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Speaker 4: death trying to think about what I what the business

686
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Speaker 4: should be, or what I should be doing. What era

687
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Speaker 4: are you in right now? What season are you in?

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Speaker 4: And how can you meet yourself in that moment. I

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Speaker 4: got two little kids, and I have a podcast and

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Speaker 4: another business, so I'm working on my own book, like

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Speaker 4: I have a lot going on, and each of those,

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Speaker 4: like am I is brown ambition, like you know, at

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Speaker 4: the stage I want it to be right now? No,

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Speaker 4: because I'm just spread in other places a little bit thinner,

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Speaker 4: you know, So I have to make peace with that

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Speaker 4: and just accept it and know that I am nurturing

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Speaker 4: seeds in different pots and that hopefully I'll have a

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Speaker 4: whole harvest. Oh what a great analogy. Not so corny,

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Speaker 4: a whole harvest someday.

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Speaker 1: I say, you posted about working back working on the

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Speaker 1: book again. Yeah, and so you went through a lot

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Speaker 1: I guess before you were able to pick that back up.

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Speaker 4: Can you talk about that my book? So the book

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Speaker 4: is called Brown Ambition. I don't have a subtitle yet.

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Speaker 4: My publishers like, OK, what is the way. I have

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Speaker 4: a manuscript deadline tomorrow and I should be working on it. Whoa,

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Speaker 4: But it's it's an yeh fine, it's great remember those.

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Speaker 4: But I get to write a book. At the end

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Speaker 4: of the day, I'm just like, please, like, just you know,

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Speaker 4: give me this pressure. It's amazing I get to write

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Speaker 4: a book. No, but the book is a memoir. It's

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Speaker 4: going to be a memoir, and also it's going to

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Speaker 4: be I'm going to share all the tools that I've

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Speaker 4: used to succeed in my career, and not just succeed

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Speaker 4: because I am not a period pair. At the end

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Speaker 4: of a paragraph, my story is unfolding as I'm sitting here,

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Speaker 4: but how I am coping with the inevitable ups and

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Speaker 4: downs of this big, wild, ambitious life that I have

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Speaker 4: created for myself. And it's about my relationship with the

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Speaker 4: word ambition around ambitions the name of our show. But

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Speaker 4: we're not about you know, it's not about ambition at

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Speaker 4: any cost. It's about, you know, creating the version of

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Speaker 4: your life that where you're not surviving but you're actually thriving.

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Speaker 4: And for me, this book is the culmination of a

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Speaker 4: career that for me was quite linear. I went, you know,

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Speaker 4: I was the chocolate chip and the pancake at Business

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Speaker 4: Insider and then onto Yahoo Finance. Then I segued into

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Speaker 4: content marketing and I was thriving off that being chosen,

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Speaker 4: you know, like having the brands pick me and for me.

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Speaker 4: After I had my son and I wanted to you know,

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Speaker 4: I really thought, oh, I should take Brown Ambition to

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Speaker 4: the next level. But I just need one more really

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Speaker 4: big corporate gig. And I went and I got one,

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Speaker 4: and I did it because I thought, well, this will

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Speaker 4: legitimize me, it'll give me the platform, it'll help me

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Speaker 4: with my brand. And very quickly it was like, oh,

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Speaker 4: they want a version of me that I'm not willing to,

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Speaker 4: you know, sacrifice like they wanted. This was post twenty twenty.

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Speaker 4: They wanted a black woman, but not really a black woman.

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Speaker 4: And I think I got way too use on Brown

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Speaker 4: Ambition being my full self and I was like, oh no,

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Speaker 4: I can't be somewhere where I can't be that. And

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Speaker 4: when that didn't work out, it was it dispelled that whole.

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Speaker 4: Like I said earlier, like just like pop that bubble

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Speaker 4: of looking for that external validation, and I realized I

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Speaker 4: already had everything I needed to be my own business,

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Speaker 4: to have my own journey, to do Mandy money Makers,

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Speaker 4: to do Brown Ambition. I was searching for that validation

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Speaker 4: and what I thought would give me authority, but I

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Speaker 4: already had it, and I just once that broke that spell,

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Speaker 4: I went and did it myself. And I will tell

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Speaker 4: that story fully and in Brown Ambition and all that

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Speaker 4: has happened since then.

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Speaker 2: How can people work with you if they want to

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Speaker 2: be a Mandy money Maker, if they want to coach

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Speaker 2: by and tell the different platforms.

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Speaker 4: Well, just listen to Brown Ambition first and foremost. The

758
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Speaker 4: podcast is the heart of everything that I have going

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Speaker 4: on right now. Please listen to Brown Ambition. You can

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Speaker 4: listen you guys Wealth Wednesdays, listen to BA listen to

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Speaker 4: the Way Up with angela Ye and Brown Ambition too.

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Speaker 4: You can find us on ig at Brown Ambition Podcast.

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Speaker 4: I keep saying us even though I'm like a single lady.

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Speaker 4: Now the money makers, it's all the Mandy money makers.

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Speaker 4: And my my other handle is Mandy Money, so that's

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Speaker 4: where I do the.

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Speaker 3: Bulk of Mandy, m A and d I.

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Speaker 4: Oh, thank you for that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, although I did get the domain.

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Speaker 5: With the Y just in case people redirect them.

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Speaker 4: My own family is still with the WI.

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Speaker 3: It's fine. So many money.

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Speaker 4: That's where I do my negotiation career advice, and all

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Speaker 4: my info is Mandi money dot com and Brand Ambition

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Speaker 4: podcast dot com. So yeah, but listen to the show.

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Speaker 4: Support us.

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Speaker 3: You're in this building now, will you come visit us

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Speaker 3: a lot?

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Speaker 4: Oh heck yeah, I Jebby, I mean it.

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Speaker 3: I will.

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Speaker 4: I like you give me a guest pass and I'll

782
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Speaker 4: just show up four hours earlier, make myself out, take

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Speaker 4: the snack.

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Speaker 3: It's Wednesday. Yeah, we got time.

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Speaker 5: I got time always now.

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Speaker 1: But honestly, this has been amazing, and I know right now.

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Speaker 1: This is in particular just helpful for people because it

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Speaker 1: has been a wild time. Like you said, we see

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Speaker 1: the you know, we see the positive side of things,

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Speaker 1: but I do know people are going through a lot

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Speaker 1: right now mentally, So I never want to take away

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Speaker 1: from that as well. As much as we need to

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Speaker 1: come together, and I know that a lot of us

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Speaker 1: are really eager to do that in making those strides

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Speaker 1: to make that happen, I also know that it's a

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Speaker 1: tough time for people who are getting laid off, who

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Speaker 1: are concerned about finances. So many businesses in my neighborhood

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Speaker 1: in Brooklyn have shut down also, and I've seen businesses

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Speaker 1: that have been in existence sprick and mortars for like

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Speaker 1: twenty five years, that are like, we can't sustain this anymore.

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Speaker 1: And some people even just the pandemic, and then after

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Speaker 1: the pandemic and then now just all of this uncertainty.

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Speaker 1: It's just, yeah, it's a really tough time. And so

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Speaker 1: I always want to take that into account. But again

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Speaker 1: we still should be ambitious to your point as well,

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Speaker 1: and so I just want to make sure that we

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Speaker 1: are in community and that this is a perfect place

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Speaker 1: for us to be.

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Speaker 4: We all love to pivot until someone else pivots for us.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's what we're going through right now.

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Speaker 4: Oh for sure, right like, this pivot is happening to

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Speaker 4: us and that is the worst. You kind of feel

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Speaker 4: like it's out of your control. But that's also I mean,

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Speaker 4: it's going to happen at some points. I think we

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Speaker 4: need to accept it. Things are uncertain. The business may

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Speaker 4: not the business may not work out like you thought

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Speaker 4: it would, like I mean, we went through with the

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Speaker 4: pandemic too. So many of us had the rug pulled

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Speaker 4: out beneath us who were just launching businesses and they

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Speaker 4: had to shudder. And I just want to say that

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Speaker 4: I completely agree, like I support y'all. I feel it.

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Speaker 4: We're all in it together. And that may sound trite

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Speaker 4: or it may sound like, oh, it's just like a SoundBite,

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Speaker 4: but we have to have compassion toward ourselves. We have

825
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Speaker 4: to take care of our mental health. We have to

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Speaker 4: look at for whatever resources and tell your story. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: tell people what's going on so that our elected officials

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Speaker 4: hear us, so they know that we are people, not

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Speaker 4: just statistics or social media handles, like tell your story

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Speaker 4: of what's happening to you and what these policies are

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Speaker 4: doing to you, and we need to be amplifying those

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Speaker 4: stories when we see them.

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Speaker 1: And Mandy, I would do want to ask you about this.

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Speaker 1: So many people are looking for work too, and it

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Speaker 1: can be discouraging when you're getting a lot of rejections

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Speaker 1: or maybe even no responses. What would you say to

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Speaker 1: people who are like, Okay, I want to do this.

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Speaker 1: I've been looking for work. It's been a long time,

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Speaker 1: and I'm so discouraged and it's just really like a

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Speaker 1: lot for me to have to keep on going out

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Speaker 1: on these interviews and reaching out to people.

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Speaker 5: What would you say to somebody in that situation.

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Speaker 4: I would say that on average, I think the average

844
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Speaker 4: job search today, the last time I checked, was six months.

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Speaker 4: That's the average amount of time it takes someone who's

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Speaker 4: looking for a job to get one. And that's a

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Speaker 4: long time. And I say that just to normalize the

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Speaker 4: idea that you may be on this journey for a

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Speaker 4: long time, and if you're someone who's been in a field,

850
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Speaker 4: you have lots of experience, and maybe there's not a

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Speaker 4: cookie cutter roll for you.

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Speaker 3: It could take longer than six months.

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Speaker 4: So just to normalize that, you want to find a community.

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Speaker 4: So I have Mandy money Makers where there are women

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Speaker 4: we meet every other week, and we have women who

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Speaker 4: are getting raised as successfully and negotiating amazing, and we

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Speaker 4: have women who have been looking for work for months

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Speaker 4: on end. But having a space where you can come

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Speaker 4: and feel support and also just like sitting in the

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Speaker 4: discomfort of uncertainty is a practice. It is not maybe

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Speaker 4: what I'm not here to like, I don't have a

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Speaker 4: five step how to get through that. What I do

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Speaker 4: know is when you learn how to cope with that

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Speaker 4: stressful situation, coping skills like having a wellness practice, taking

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Speaker 4: care of yourself, getting your sleep, so that you can

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Speaker 4: meet these challenges where they are, and then again actually

867
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Speaker 4: telling people what's happening to you and making new connections.

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Speaker 4: Maybe you need a break from the job search. Maybe

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Speaker 4: it's a week, maybe it's forty eight hours where you're

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Speaker 4: not going to look at LinkedIn or indeed at all,

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Speaker 4: But then you have to get back to it. And

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Speaker 4: when you do that, think about what can I be

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Speaker 4: doing in addition to the online searching and applying, And

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Speaker 4: more often than not, it is speaking to other human beings.

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Speaker 4: So find an event near you. You can go to

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Speaker 4: where you're going to be in the same space as

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Speaker 4: people who will like what you like, or do what

878
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 4: you do, or have an interest that you do, and

879
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Speaker 4: be open to the possibility that one of those potential

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Speaker 4: relationships could turn into your next opportunity. That human impact,

881
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 4: that human connection is the secret sauce that so many

882
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Speaker 4: of us are lacking when it comes to being long

883
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Speaker 4: term unemployed. We just haven't been able to reach out

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Speaker 4: to other people who can help us, you know, get

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Speaker 4: to that next opportunity.

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Speaker 3: Before you go. One thing I want you to I

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Speaker 3: want you to talk to young people. Okay, I was

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Speaker 3: so young we talking. It's Rachel, I can be Okay.

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Speaker 4: College Okay.

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Speaker 2: I was visiting my son at college last week and

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Speaker 2: I noticed so many of the kids have been unable

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Speaker 2: to get internships this summer. And they don't I guess

893
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 2: it's cool. They'll tell you, oh, here's how to get

894
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 2: a job, here is how to get an internship, but

895
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 2: they don't tell you what the workforce is like. Like,

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Speaker 2: I spoke to several kids who were applying, you know,

897
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 2: big companies, and they're like, I didn't hear from them.

898
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 2: And then I finally called and they said, I didn't

899
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 2: get it. It didn't occur to them to be proactive yet.

900
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Speaker 2: And I really opened my eyes to this is a

901
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 2: really difficult time for young people because they don't this

902
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 2: is their normal and that all we're talking about jobs

903
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 2: drying up, all of their opportunities for career growth and

904
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 2: career development are drying up as well, and they don't

905
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 2: have the they're not at developmental levels yet to really

906
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Speaker 2: understand it.

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Speaker 3: Will underestimate them.

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Speaker 4: The youths, y'all got this, they do. But I mean

909
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Speaker 4: I graduated during the recession, during the eight recession and

910
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Speaker 4: sorry nine at the time, and I actually I I

911
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 4: thrived in spite of what was happening. I was a

912
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 4: journalism grad. I studied print magazines. Like it shouldn't be

913
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Speaker 4: it should not have been legal for me to get

914
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Speaker 4: a degree in print magazines at that time two thousand

915
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Speaker 4: and nine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.

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Speaker 2: And they were saying, there's something different I have noticed

918
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Speaker 2: about kids who have lived through COVID.

919
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Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, there is.

920
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 2: They're they're a little bit different. But I was just like,

921
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Speaker 2: we can talk here and take join us, join a community.

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Speaker 3: Yeah not out there yet?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, absolutely, I think that the sooner you can

924
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Speaker 4: accept the fact that your journey is going to be

925
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Speaker 4: your journey and stop looking outside, whether it's to your parents,

926
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Speaker 4: your other friends, the internet, social media, for what your

927
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Speaker 4: life should look like after college, Like release yourself from

928
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Speaker 4: that and just say, what is one thing, Like what's

929
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Speaker 4: one step I can get toward reaching my goal? And

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Speaker 4: a lot of people who are young have not actually

931
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 4: sat down and wondered, like what do I actually want?

932
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Speaker 4: What do I actually want to be? And so what

933
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 4: that answer may be. It may it may not be

934
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Speaker 4: that big corporate you know, big name brand corporation that

935
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Speaker 4: you want to internet. Maybe it's going home or going

936
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Speaker 4: wherever you live and walking down the street and seeing

937
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Speaker 4: if there's a business that may be looking for extra

938
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Speaker 4: help that maybe they're not the big brand name that

939
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Speaker 4: you would see on your resume. In my first job

940
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Speaker 4: during the recession, I worked for well One.

941
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Speaker 3: I had traveled.

942
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Speaker 4: Abroad and worked for like a little news site in Santiago, Chile.

943
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 4: I came home and got an education reporter role for

944
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Speaker 4: a timey newspaper and like, those were opportunities that I had,

945
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Speaker 4: I made the most of them, and I the sooner

946
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Speaker 4: you can kind of like be flexible, young people. You

947
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 4: be flexible and take charge of your own story and

948
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 4: not look outside for what you should be doing. Then

949
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 4: you're free to play like you're free to just do whatever,

950
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Speaker 4: do something, and if it helps you get to that

951
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Speaker 4: next step, if it helps you gain new skills to

952
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Speaker 4: get to where you want to go, then that's probably

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Speaker 4: the right next step for you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. That's great advice.

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Speaker 2: They're all trying to get the big company, the big.

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Speaker 4: Well, you're the mama of the twenty something. I got

957
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Speaker 4: these little ones. I'm just like, are the screens going

958
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 4: to ruin their lives?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, right, Thank you so much. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: You're upstairs now right, yes, thank you so much, y'all,

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Speaker 2: and everybody check out bandymoney dot com and a n D.

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Speaker 4: I thank y'all, way up