WEBVTT - Ep. 494: Golfing with Brian "The Butcher" Harman 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:13.320 This is the Meat Eater Podcast coming at you shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:18.599 bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listeningcast. You can't 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:22.080 predict anything. The Meat Eater Podcast is brought to you 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:25.520 by First Light. Whether you're checking trail cams, hanging deer stands, 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:28.880 or scouting for el First Light has performance apparel to 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:31.960 support every hunter in every environment. Check it out at 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:35.199 first light dot com. F I R S T L 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:42.000 I T E dot com. There's the machine on film. Okay, 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:44.320 very quick hunting story before we introduced anybody, because I 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:50.200 was gonna tell it anyway. So I'm sitting there with 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:55.560 my daughter on we had hunted the youth season. What 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:57.440 the hell I am gonna introduce Danny Boltons here because 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:00.120 his daughter was there too. We hunted the two day 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:05.720 the youth season, and then on the actual opening day 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:10.600 of general season, we're up up hunting and I get 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:13.240 to a spot and I'm like approaching where I want 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:17.120 a glass from hidden dawn off the other side of 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:19.639 the ridge, and I slip over the ridge and nestle 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:22.840 into the sage brush, in which I'm expecting my kids 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:27.039 to do the same. But at the crest of the 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:31.200 ridge they find a fossilized clam stuck into a rock. 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:35.880 So I'm glass and glass and glass, and they're like 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:39.640 back and forth messing with this fossilized clam and they 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:42.440 get the leather man, they go back, they come back 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:46.199 to get me, and I am mad and I'm yelling 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:49.600 at him, whisper yelling at him, like did you notice 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:55.040 how I slipped over and nestled into the sage brush? 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:57.880 And you guys are like, actually at prime time in 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:02.240 the morning, it's eight thirty am, and you're not just 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:06.600 crossing the ridge, but hanging on the ridge. I will 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:09.000 mark the clam. 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:11.360 Did you tell him they were lily dicking around something 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:15.239 like that? It sounds like so much fun. 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:18.400 It's Jimmy Dickon. I'm yelling and I'm yelling at the 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:22.040 both of them over my right shoulder, whisper yelling. I'm like, well, 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:24.880 come back, do you want to be here? Like I'm 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:29.160 not up here for me all that dad stuff. And 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:34.360 also my buddy goes Jesus is a big buck. It's like, 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:37.880 coming up this draw one hundred yards away, he's kind 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:39.920 of gotten this look on his face, like the buck's 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:42.400 got to look at his face, like Dad this ain't good, 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:46.560 and if I had not been yelling at him, I 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:50.880 would have probably detected it. Yeah, but it splits and 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:55.280 takes off running, and my daughter she's not gonna do 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:59.080 a quick shot, you know. And we see it go 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:01.000 over hill, and we see it go over another hillway 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:03.120 off in this area where in you can like see 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:04.799 the tracks were good. So we go over there. We 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:06.960 eventually pick up the tracks, so it's pretty exciting, you can. 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:11.080 And we go of another rise and all sudden missing 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:15.560 explodes out of me from me to Danny, out of 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:19.680 the He was like laying under the sagebrush patch and 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:24.360 my son is quick to shoot in any situation. To 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:28.200 a fault, I said, get him, Jimmy, meaning like if 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:31.480 the opportunity were to present itself, do you. 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:34.639 Know, I mean like whatever you stop in your delivery there. 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:38.960 I was like, get him, Jimmy. And he started right 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:43.120 the next so it's like he like, yeah, nice bock 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:48.880 and dude. My daughter was up set because in her 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:51.520 mind that was her deal. 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:52.640 How did you navigate that? 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:59.040 She still pissed, She's still I'm navigating that by planning more. 0:03:59.880 --> 0:04:02.240 I'm navigating that by playing a more deer hunting. 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:05.360 How did you initially determine who who's your shoots first? 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:09.560 Because I was I was toting my daughter's rifle. Okay, 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:13.640 we had all kinds junk. I'm like carrying the rifle. Yeah, 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:16.320 she was like, you carry her gun. You never carried 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:19.479 my gun, you know. And I thought about whether that 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:20.760 was true or not, and I think he might have 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:22.680 had a point, but I'm just like, I don't know. 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:24.920 I'm like, I'm nicer to my daughter than to my boy. 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:33.360 I don't know why. That's all. Danny's daughter got her 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:33.840 first book. 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:37.520 Yeah, she did great, like never shot anything of the 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:41.039 rifle before, and had her practicing, and I had a 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:44.800 little awesome stock on three bucks. And then we end 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:46.719 up getting too a spot where they dipped into a 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:49.919 nice little ravine and we couldn't see him anymore. So 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:51.599 we kind of moved up on him and got to 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:54.800 one eighty, got her set up on a tripod, which 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:57.080 is perfect. From where I was standing, I could see him, 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:59.479 but I realized from where I set the tripod at 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:01.680 her height, there's still a lot of brush. 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:04.960 That's a good realization. When you're taking kids out there, 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:08.280 it's like it's right there. What do you mean, what 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:09.280 exactly a problem? 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:10.080 Yeah. 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:11.719 So it was good though, because it gave me a time, 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:13.960 like I could squat down and tell her like, hey, okay, 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:16.480 the thing's right there standing broadside. I'm gonna move up 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:19.520 ten feet once I set this triplod down. It's all you, 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:22.920 you know. And I really stressed with her to squeeze 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:26.920 the trigger and don't rush it, and uh she we 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:29.440 moved up and she took her time and took the shot. 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:32.600 But then she was the thing. She hit it, and 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:35.120 I didn't see exactly where she hit. I was looking 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:38.359 through the binos, but it only had like ten feet 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:42.799 to go for his out of sight and it ran forward, 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:45.400 and she was really stressed that she made a good 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:47.080 you know, I don't know if I made a good shot. 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:51.000 I think I really liked yank the trigger, which I 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:53.799 don't think she did, but she just like we knew 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:56.080 that was kind of our opportunity. We had been stalking 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:58.640 it for like an hour and this thing was about 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:00.960 to dip out of sight and then it would be 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:04.320 a big stock to get back on them. So she did, like, 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:07.200 which is good because you're like, hey, you know, take 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:08.839 your time, but hurry up. 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:09.760 But this is the time. 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:13.320 If this thing moves, you know you're not going to 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:14.240 get a chance out of it. 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:16.760 Take your time relative to the amount of time. 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:21.159 We actually, yeah understand, but not really. 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:22.200 But she got it. 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:24.280 She's like, you know, I knew that thing was going 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:26.080 to move, so I felt like I just had to 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:28.000 shoot it right there in perfect shot. 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:30.360 Calibers were running for these daughters. I got a seven 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:30.760 year old. 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:32.160 I'm trying to six or five creed. 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:35.040 Yeah. Can I give you a hot tip please? Okay, 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:41.880 then I'm to introduce you. If you keep winning these 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:46.320 golf tournaments and you got the money, I would get 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:53.320 a six five creed more, get the sig Cross. Okay, 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:56.320 it's just like a dream for kids. Perfect and get 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:57.000 a suppressor. 0:06:57.360 --> 0:07:00.200 I got cans. I got the cans. Just my is, 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:02.560 can you get one perfect built? She's good with, like, 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:05.160 gotta suppress twenty two shoots it without her? Yeah, I 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:08.640 mean she's she's great, but she's itty bitty, and so 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:10.680 I don't want to. I know, when we were coming up, 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:12.520 it was like, all right, you're big enough. Now here's 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:15.320 this two seventy that weighs nothing and kicks like a mule, 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:18.920 and oh yeah, I shaved the trigger down. It's super scary, right, 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:21.840 but everybody else had to deal with this exactly. Of 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:24.400 course it did. It's just like this fire baptism, you know, 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:28.080 like for everybody else. Yeah, i'll give you the pitch 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:30.520 on it, sig Cross. 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:35.560 Yeah, it's got a collapsible stock. It's got a two 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:39.520 stage trigger. First off, they're small, you can you can, 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:44.640 you can. The stock's adjustable very easily. The cheap combs adjustable. 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:46.600 And it's got a two stage trigger, which just makes 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:50.360 sense to them. Yep, you're like pull through and it's 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:52.600 gonna stop. And then when you go a little more, 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:56.560 and man, they can drive tax perfect. Yeah, they can 0:07:56.640 --> 0:07:59.400 drive tax those things. But with a suppressor. And then 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:01.560 it's got that arc rail deal on the bombs. You 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:04.760 can put like a hefty bipod on it. They can 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:09.720 just shoot. They laugh after they shoot it because they're expecting, 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:11.640 they're expecting it to be something that's not. But then 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:14.720 there's like no recoil and they like giggle, you know, 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:16.400 they like they like shooting. 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:18.800 Tell me their tip to Steve about the ear plugs 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:19.200 and stuff. 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:24.040 Oh, even with the suppressor, I'll double ear plug them 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:29.440 because they conflate, They conflate, recoiling noise, and it just 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:32.559 becomes this package, do you know what I mean? The 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:35.640 gifts that they don't like. And they think it's the kick, 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:40.880 but it's like if you define them, you put foam 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:43.800 ear plugs, put a headset on them, put a suppressor 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:49.200 on it. They'll say it doesn't kick, but it's like 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:51.240 because there's just no noise. I mean, it's like they 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:55.000 to them, it's all this whole bundle of unpleasantness, right, 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:59.720 you know, and it really helps Brian. You're listening to Brian. 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:02.120 Harmon, happy to be here, Thanks for having me, Thanks 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:02.520 for coming on. 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:06.520 The only other golfer I would entertain having on this 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:11.120 show is Trump. Have you ever played golf that guy? 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:13.960 I have not really no Trump. No Trump, ye, really 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:14.800 professional golfer. 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:16.959 I thought he kind of ran in those circles. 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:21.120 He does, he does. He went full. So I don't 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:22.760 know if you followed the politics of golf. 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:25.079 And well, I know there's a lot of trouble right now. 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:26.959 Right so we had a big kind of split. You've 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:29.439 got the Live Tour and the PGA tour, and Donald 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:32.200 Trump aligned himself with the Live Tour and so. 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:35.040 And that's that's the place that took some investment from 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:35.840 Saudi Arabia. 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:38.120 It's yeah, directly funded by. 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:42.280 But the Saudis, and people are mad at the Saudis 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:46.280 because of the what was that guy's name, not progosion? 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:52.240 Yeah, I mean. 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:53.840 Mad at them for a whole host of reasons. 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:59.120 But yeah, yeah, it's very, very very convoluted kingdom and 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:02.839 all yep, yeah, no personal freedoms type type stuff. 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:06.760 And then comprising astonishing number of the nine to eleven hijackers. 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:12.640 There's a lot to it. Stage. I was going to say, 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:20.520 right age, because how old are you? Then you pick 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:21.120 your topic? 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:24.480 Yeah, yeah, well no, I think he got back to 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:26.560 the nineteen twenties. No one would have been mad. 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:29.000 No, then it's just a fire flunk kingdom. 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:33.520 It's just like it was oil and then people mad 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:36.040 when the hell was that happened? It doesn't matter. 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:38.880 Talking about Yeah, yeah, only. 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:41.839 Golfer we'd ever have on what what count? Are you from? 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:43.360 What what county? 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:43.640 Yeah? 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:46.000 Don't they call you the something killer from something? The 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:50.360 U that was the Yeah, So yeah, I'm over there. 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:53.120 I'm doing doing interviews after the rounds, and they asked 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:54.160 about hunting and. 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:56.160 Why did they ask you about hunting? So you tell 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:58.400 me about what that You won the British Open. 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:00.440 One won the Open Championship and you guys just. 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:01.000 Call it the Open. 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:02.760 Crint was telling When I was a kid, it was 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:05.920 the British Open. Now it's the Open. They just decided, 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:09.720 I guess because there's no competition. Yeah, it's open competition. 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:11.080 Like know what I'm saying. No, no, when I say open, 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:14.000 I'm sorry if you say the Open. 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:18.040 Well, yeah, I grew up. The Open was the US Open. 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:18.959 Okay, but. 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:23.400 They just they took it. They just took they do this. 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:26.240 They just they invented the game. We'll start there. 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:29.920 That's fair. 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:33.040 So anyway they look up, they don't they don't like 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:35.440 the They don't like hunters over there at all. I've gathered. 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:40.679 I didn't realize that. Uh so they're asking me, oh 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:42.439 you know, and I'm like, wow, these guys are super 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:44.440 interested about honey. This is great. I could talk all 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:45.000 day about this. 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:47.240 And so they just knew you won, and they already 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:48.120 are prepared with the. 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:50.480 Face before I had won. This was like, okay, second 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:54.760 round opposition did they were dig They're like, oh, this 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:58.079 asshole has got pictures of animals on his Instagram. We're 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:01.520 gonna get him. And I'm us up there like, yeah, 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:04.760 a farm all summer for the deer. Deer hunt, then 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:06.720 we duck hunt, then we turkey hunt, then we fish 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:09.600 all summer and and uh, they're like, well, what do 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:13.240 you do with all of the animals that you kill? Said? Well, 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:16.040 I I butcher them. Like what else would I do 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:18.520 with them? And so the next day the tabloids like 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:24.840 Brian the Butcher. So I think it's like this horrible. Yeah, yeah, 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:26.920 this is really gonna throw them off. I'm like, I 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:31.800 love this, this is so nice. All my buddies are like, 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:35.360 oh my god, here's a golfer. Golfer You like, oh yeah, 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:36.040 that's what happened. 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:39.280 And then we had the baseball player Pete Alonza line 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:41.920 because he won the home run derby and talked about 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:43.880 the home run derby, and then people then I wind 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:47.400 up getting like I have a big text message web 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:50.920 around the you know, just people that are interested in stuff, 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:53.320 and so anytime something were to happen, like with you 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:55.880 and then them making that big deal out of that, 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:58.240 I will like find out about it from multiple people. 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:01.040 And if I hear about something from three or four people. 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:02.680 Then I'll be like, Okay, this needs to be paid 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:04.840 attention to because I don't know if you know, but 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:06.200 we goof on golf in a lot. 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:08.280 Yeah, I've heard, yeh, I've heard. 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:12.719 I should say we I'll point out Hunter Spencer's here. 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:19.040 He I thought this meant a lot till Yanni pointed 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:21.400 it out. It doesn't til Yanni invited me to think 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:24.280 about it more clearly. It was described to me that 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:28.760 Hunter almost played college, which I realized meant that he 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:31.240 played high school, right, But in my head I had 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:32.760 it built up more than that. 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:36.040 Like played golf in college almost. Yeah. 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:40.040 I was like just good enough and then realized maybe 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:40.920 baseball is my thing. 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:43.800 Yeah. Yanni pointed out that's that's called a high school golfer. 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:48.400 That's great, But then you quickly realized there's a there's 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:52.120 a massive difference between being good enough to beat everybody 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:55.760 that you grew up with and then playing d one. 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:57.600 Oh, like beating the dudes down the road. 0:13:57.720 --> 0:14:01.640 Yeah, several like larger populated. I like, oh, this population 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:03.920 turns into this like and just keeps smaller and smaller 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:05.600 until you get like to let like that the high 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:10.079 school golfer's pretty that's that's pretty far up the up, 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:15.080 the trickle down the food. You guys played high school football, 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:19.360 I will tell you, I'm sure your fine golf. My 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:21.480 high school. The way they ran the golf team. This 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:24.600 might be all high school golf teams, but it was 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:29.120 basically like an open tournament, uh, during the week to 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:31.640 see who would make the team to then go travel 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:35.680 and do the the you know, the actual game is 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:41.000 what I would call it. Uh. And I was like, well, ship, 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:45.720 that sounds pretty fun. And so I showed up, borrowed 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:48.600 my dad's golf clubs and was like, oh, I'll go 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:50.600 try this out. Because it was like anybody can do it, 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:53.800 and it was for me it was either do that 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:59.640 or do track, which I hated, or go to work. 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:03.680 So well, maybe I'll try this. 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:05.120 One track golf for work. 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:10.760 And uh yeah, quickly found out that I was like, oh, 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:13.760 there's all these other people and then me it was 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:17.240 it was I was it was a bad situation. 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:22.560 Yeah, yeah, I thought about this yesterday driving home. Here's 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:25.880 here's the main reason I hate golf. When I was 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:27.400 a kid, we lived, we grew up on a lake, 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:30.120 and it was common to wap golf balls out in 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:31.440 the lake and then you'd go dive for. 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:35.200 Him, right, So it sounds fun. Yeah, it's just real common. 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:37.520 Do you guys use wap as a term often at 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:38.480 your level of golf? 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:39.360 Uh? 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:41.479 Now, I think it's a northern. 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:45.760 Now. And then you'd set that ball on the tee 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:47.560 and I'd get one of those you know, the driver, 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:50.800 and you'd have in your head like I'm gonna cream 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:53.560 this thing, dude, and you're picturing it like sailing across 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:56.520 the lake, you know, and you cock back and just 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:59.680 give it the whatfor and just could never. Oh yeah, 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:02.800 it was just like so maddening. Man. You want you'd 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:06.280 be like woam, you know, and there's nothing. 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:11.720 So you're your hatred golf is born from. 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:14.920 Just watch you one to sail across the lake. 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:19.560 General lack of skill is what led to your only one. 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:22.400 You already sailing across the lake and it winds up 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:24.360 like halfway out your neighbors stop. 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:26.520 The first time the first time I shot a boat, 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:28.320 there's no way I was any good at it. Just 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:30.320 throw the boat down. Bow hunting stupid. 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:32.960 I've always hated painting and music for the same reason. 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:39.080 Uh tell me real quick too. You got two hold 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:43.000 ones on a round. Yeah, but I don't official round, yeah. 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:46.320 Official round. So that was that work out twenty fifteen. 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:48.280 It was an expensive bar tab. I'll tell you that. 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:50.520 We were playing just outside of New York City. Uh 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:53.600 So when the tradition says you make hold and run, 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:56.200 you've got the bar tab for the night, for the night, 0:16:56.440 --> 0:17:00.880 for the night, just for your for your or the whole, 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:04.480 the whole whole shebang. It's it's like a right of passage. 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:06.920 You make hold one. All the drinks are on you 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:07.400 all night. 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:08.400 Hopefully. 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:10.640 I don't know if you heard, but new York City, 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:16.040 the drinks are not yeah, hopefully they're not fantastic. Yeah, 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:17.199 oh it's twenty dollars beer night. 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:21.080 Sweet, you get like three cars. Sometimes in tournaments when 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:22.200 you get a hold nothing. 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:24.560 No, how much was that bar to out, dude? 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:29.840 More than more than more than two grand, less than 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:34.359 less than five Probably I would have confiscated everybody's cell phones. 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:38.000 And here's the deal. There's no inviting other people into this. 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:40.560 He definitely you definitely play it smart. It's like, ah, 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:45.359 it's take a long shower in the hotel room, show 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:47.800 up there. So at least you get the ride out 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:48.280 some of it. 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:52.320 No one's ever done three No, and three people have 0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:52.960 done two. 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:54.879 Three people have done. It's just a freak for. 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:56.760 Who are the other guys that did too? 0:17:57.440 --> 0:17:59.880 I don't know, So not like not like I don't 0:17:59.880 --> 0:18:01.280 know Greg Norman. 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:04.200 No, you like that. Let just pull that out, La. 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:08.360 Look at you to look at it when you hit 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:12.280 that ball. Is there a point before the ball lands 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:14.240 that you're like, oh, this thing's going in? 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:16.240 That's a good question. 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:21.239 I mean I've had three on tour total. They've all 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:28.080 been good golf shots. But I mean, but there's no Yeah, 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:29.919 there's probably there's. 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:30.959 Like it came off a tree or something. 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:38.000 No, no, it came off at I mean, you let 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:40.440 it go and it's it's going and you know it's good. 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:43.520 But you never you never know, You never really know. 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:46.639 Like for me, it's like you try to get in 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:48.800 this place where you're just you're in such like a 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:51.359 mode of execution, and so it's just like you're just 0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:54.440 like ticking off like hit one, all right, I executed 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:56.080 that one, and then you're just like, all right, what's 0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:57.159 the next one gonna be? 0:18:57.240 --> 0:18:57.359 Like? 0:18:57.400 --> 0:19:02.760 So it's not really anything specific. I don't remember. It's like, 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:07.040 oh shit, it went in great. That makes I can 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:07.560 take a break. 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:11.480 You're in that mode of execution. Uh, do you allow 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:13.520 yourself to celebrate in that moment or do you have 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:15.760 to you have to quickly tamper that down and go great, 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:16.480 got it? 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:20.800 Try to say as even keel as possible. Any anytime 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:22.800 you try to excute something you're too high or too low, 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:23.880 it's it's it's bad. 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:26.160 I've been starting to relate that lot to bow hunting, 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:29.080 because there's I often see promise about how how come 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:31.200 you're not and it's not just to me but other people. 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:33.440 You're not more excited when you kill something you know, 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:37.000 or you make that great shot. It's like, well, my 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:39.480 whole life as a hunter, I've been trying to achieve 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:43.280 this state where I don't like out of my mind 0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:46.199 when I make that shot and all I do is execute, 0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:48.600 and you then it's done properly, and you know that 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:52.280 happened properly, and you know sure later you can you know, 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:56.200 partying and celebrate, But in that moment, it's kind of like, oh, okay, 0:19:56.800 --> 0:19:58.280 I stayed cool and I did it. 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:01.160 Yeah, certain parts of your body, certain things in your brain. 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:06.080 Like you know, I'm no neuroscientists, but I think that 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:09.840 in your brain is little vials of No one's discovered 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:12.520 to me that, but little vials of emotions. 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:15.600 I'm sorry you said you're not a neuroscientice. 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:19.399 You're already far beyond Well, this is my theory. I 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:21.560 don't think anybody knows about it. But I think there's 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:27.479 these little vials of of emotion, and as you get older, 0:20:29.160 --> 0:20:33.800 you drain that the vile empties out, Like excitability, I 0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:36.840 think you just use it up over time. I think, 0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:39.560 like fear of grizzly bears, you use up over time. 0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:45.159 And I've kind of drained out my vial of getting 0:20:45.320 --> 0:20:46.520 of real excitability. 0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:48.200 Yeah that's a thing. 0:20:48.240 --> 0:20:48.359 Though. 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:53.040 You are adrenaline glands. Yeah, like they stopped putting. They're 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:54.320 always over stimulated. 0:20:54.440 --> 0:20:56.159 Unlet's I see a big buckle with kids. 0:20:57.640 --> 0:20:59.520 I steal a quote from you. All the time, I 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:02.159 thought you said, oh please, yeah, take a breath be 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:04.200 a predator. Oh there you go so good? 0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:08.399 Or wear out your little vial of uh like, take 0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:09.480 a breath for your predator. 0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:10.520 Yeah. 0:21:10.520 --> 0:21:12.439 I don't know if you're interested in Neanderthals or not. 0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:16.480 Took a twenty three and Meion, apparently I'm in the 0:21:16.600 --> 0:21:21.040 ninety sixth percentile. You as soon as you walk, yeah, 0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:23.080 you felt you got that felt it. 0:21:23.160 --> 0:21:24.840 He's got that vibe. That beard, I. 0:21:24.800 --> 0:21:26.720 Think giant giant head. 0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:30.919 Speaking a giant head man. I got a physiology thing 0:21:30.960 --> 0:21:33.360 I found out there. I've always prided myself on being 0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:38.480 able to, uh tell if someone's a snorer just looking 0:21:38.520 --> 0:21:38.800 at him. 0:21:38.840 --> 0:21:40.720 Yeah, do you think do you think I'm a snore? 0:21:41.560 --> 0:21:43.040 You might be like I look at like I think 0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:45.280 a guy like Bob Vier, Kenny Rogers, you know, I'd 0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:51.239 be like, this guy's got this nugget. Definitely a Well, 0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:53.160 the other day when I'm still dealing with this ear problem, 0:21:53.200 --> 0:21:54.120 I got, I got a ear probe. 0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:57.560 The bad party is like the older people get the 0:21:57.640 --> 0:22:00.600 more right, you'll be, Well, here's what well just. 0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:03.719 Wait, yeah, you'll be. I thought it was something to 0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:06.360 do with like a certain like like if you got 0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:10.760 a beard down to your sternum, uh huh that like 0:22:11.040 --> 0:22:14.359 I felt that that leads to snoring. But I was 0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:16.879 down at the E. N T Place and they start 0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:20.800 asked me all these questions about sleep, appning, snoring, and 0:22:20.840 --> 0:22:21.800 they measured my. 0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:24.920 Neck you're down at the e MT place. 0:22:25.119 --> 0:22:27.879 Nt you no throat? 0:22:26.440 --> 0:22:28.200 Okay? 0:22:28.480 --> 0:22:29.040 Yeah, so. 0:22:30.600 --> 0:22:34.080 They measured that y emergency. 0:22:34.440 --> 0:22:40.160 If you got a sixteen inch neck, that's a that's 0:22:40.160 --> 0:22:42.240 how they'll tell, like, you got a sixteen inch neck, 0:22:42.320 --> 0:22:45.520 you're probably a snore. Really wow, And dude, I never 0:22:45.600 --> 0:22:47.639 knew what I was looking at. I just knew I 0:22:47.640 --> 0:22:50.800 could tell I was looking at the next. 0:22:50.440 --> 0:22:53.639 Hmmm, is it only sixteen or sixteen in above? 0:22:53.720 --> 0:22:54.440 Sixteen in above? 0:22:54.480 --> 0:22:55.439 I would think of skinny. 0:22:55.480 --> 0:22:58.080 I had no idea about this more. 0:22:58.000 --> 0:23:08.480 Uh it would be like less less, like a smaller straw. 0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:13.000 But uh so you have a heavy duty load of Neanderthal. Yes, 0:23:13.280 --> 0:23:16.160 I was reading this art this morning, like I've really 0:23:16.240 --> 0:23:20.000 enjoyed over the years how they keep Nanothals keep getting 0:23:20.040 --> 0:23:22.840 smarter and smarter. You know, there used to be this 0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:26.640 perception that, you know, that they couldn't hunt. They were 0:23:26.680 --> 0:23:29.439 just like they dragged their knuckles everywhere. But then but 0:23:29.520 --> 0:23:31.760 as he's you know, they more like that they find 0:23:32.600 --> 0:23:37.879 as some of these Neanderthal sites, like uh, shells that 0:23:38.000 --> 0:23:42.520 have holes boared in them, suggesting that they would adorn 0:23:42.600 --> 0:23:46.000 themselves with jewelry that they would etch, you know. 0:23:46.119 --> 0:23:48.400 Which means they had free time, which means they were 0:23:48.400 --> 0:23:53.080 doing enough things right to have free time. This like 0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:55.680 an onion, just keep peeling the l It's. 0:23:55.480 --> 0:23:57.000 Just been kind of interesting to watch because, you know, 0:23:57.240 --> 0:24:00.400 we had this idea that like that the other other 0:24:00.520 --> 0:24:05.320 hominids were just really dumb, you know, and then Homo 0:24:05.400 --> 0:24:09.640 sapiens just ran over them, and look how great we are. 0:24:10.080 --> 0:24:13.879 But you get into the fact that, I mean, these 0:24:14.080 --> 0:24:16.439 these things were in These things were in Europe hundreds 0:24:16.440 --> 0:24:19.200 of thousands of years, you know, I mean they were 0:24:19.200 --> 0:24:23.560 in Europe longer than we've been in Europe. So, but 0:24:23.680 --> 0:24:29.320 these guys in Germany have are looking at these uh 0:24:29.720 --> 0:24:35.320 they found remains of cave lions that had been Uh 0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:38.480 they were found remains of cave lions that they've deduced 0:24:38.480 --> 0:24:44.280 from cut marks had been hunted. So mixing it up 0:24:44.280 --> 0:24:48.360 with cave lions projectile point wounds in the rib cages. 0:24:48.600 --> 0:24:50.720 I thought you were gonna say they domesticated cave line. 0:24:52.800 --> 0:24:57.360 Next year we found an old bicycle. 0:24:57.440 --> 0:25:01.760 Yeah, we found cave lines with jewel. Yeah. 0:25:02.160 --> 0:25:05.640 What else they have? It's cool is uh they have 0:25:05.800 --> 0:25:11.200 this cave remnants of a cave lion hide that had 0:25:12.800 --> 0:25:17.520 stuff wrapped, had cave lion bones wrapped up in a 0:25:17.520 --> 0:25:21.320 cave lion hide, like, and they were you know, you 0:25:21.359 --> 0:25:23.160 don't really who knows what was going on. 0:25:23.760 --> 0:25:26.560 But then they found another hide that had red paint 0:25:26.600 --> 0:25:29.119 all over it. So it's first animal rights. 0:25:31.840 --> 0:25:40.560 Or these researchers, These researchers. It's always a little embarrassing. 0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:44.040 I always feel embarrassed for the researchers when they lay 0:25:44.080 --> 0:25:47.240 out what they have right, and you know, and that 0:25:47.440 --> 0:25:50.800 winds up being it goes it's pure reviewed. You're like, well, 0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:53.960 here's the hide of the lion, and here's what's in it, 0:25:54.000 --> 0:25:57.679 and here's the marks on it. It's very you know, 0:25:57.680 --> 0:26:01.960 this is very objective analysis of what's laying there. But 0:26:02.000 --> 0:26:04.159 then they always have to then they start doing media 0:26:04.480 --> 0:26:06.520 and they have to get into where they're like, well 0:26:06.560 --> 0:26:10.840 it could mean, it could mean. What's so funny is 0:26:12.200 --> 0:26:14.560 one of the things I'm reading the New York Times 0:26:14.640 --> 0:26:17.879 they about these discoveries is this guy's like, well maybe 0:26:17.920 --> 0:26:21.720 it was and he was maybe it was a show 0:26:21.800 --> 0:26:25.560 and tell item for when they had to explain to 0:26:25.680 --> 0:26:28.480 kids about cave lions. Like you know, when you go 0:26:28.520 --> 0:26:30.040 to like when you go to a museum and you're 0:26:30.040 --> 0:26:31.600 a kid. They pull out like a tote and they 0:26:31.640 --> 0:26:34.680 got like a chunk of buffalo wool, a horn. 0:26:35.160 --> 0:26:37.720 Words to describe the way this hide. 0:26:37.960 --> 0:26:40.119 He's like now and then they're like, grand buck, can 0:26:40.160 --> 0:26:43.200 you get stuff about the cave line? He's like, here, 0:26:43.320 --> 0:26:46.000 let me get my hide and I have my show 0:26:46.080 --> 0:26:49.359 and tell items in there. But the other thing is 0:26:49.400 --> 0:26:52.359 they just thought that even back then, they're suggesting that 0:26:52.400 --> 0:26:54.200 they thought it was bad ass to have a cave 0:26:54.240 --> 0:26:58.440 lion hide. You were tougher in hell hard to argue 0:26:58.440 --> 0:27:01.080 with that. Yeah, you think that whatever you got there? Uh, 0:27:01.560 --> 0:27:04.040 winning that British Open School ain't no cave line. 0:27:04.240 --> 0:27:05.120 There's no cave line. 0:27:06.320 --> 0:27:08.000 What did they what? What you know? The tradition of 0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:10.520 the green jacket? What is there? What's the tradition at 0:27:10.520 --> 0:27:11.440 the British Open. 0:27:11.400 --> 0:27:13.840 That's a They give you a thing called a Claire Jug. 0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:16.320 It's one hundred and fifty year old trophy. It's got 0:27:16.320 --> 0:27:18.560 the names to edge to everyone that I've ever won it. 0:27:18.560 --> 0:27:19.480 It's pretty neat. 0:27:19.280 --> 0:27:21.080 And you get it for one year, get for a year. 0:27:21.280 --> 0:27:22.199 Where's that right now? 0:27:22.200 --> 0:27:24.000 The house and you drink out of it right. 0:27:24.119 --> 0:27:24.280 Yeah. 0:27:24.560 --> 0:27:27.800 They built it to supposed to hold an entire bottle 0:27:27.840 --> 0:27:29.840 of line, but turns out it holds about two and 0:27:29.840 --> 0:27:36.320 a half guinnesses. Now because didn't there was one part 0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:38.760 of one of those articles that was, you know, trying 0:27:38.800 --> 0:27:42.720 to be like this guy's could win the Claret jug 0:27:42.800 --> 0:27:45.640 what will he fill it with based off of your 0:27:45.720 --> 0:27:51.440 hunting back right, Yeah, the butcher, butcher, Hoylake, Yeah, baron 0:27:51.440 --> 0:27:53.480 bourbon about the only things that's been in it. Really, 0:27:54.480 --> 0:27:57.440 that's funny. That's a lot of bourbon. Yeah yeah, well 0:27:57.440 --> 0:27:59.480 not not a bunch at a time, just enough to 0:28:00.240 --> 0:28:01.359 make someone uncomfortable. 0:28:01.400 --> 0:28:01.760 I guess. 0:28:01.880 --> 0:28:04.160 Oh yeah, smart move going. 0:28:04.240 --> 0:28:10.919 Can We recently talked about if you were here, Yannie, 0:28:11.040 --> 0:28:16.320 We talked about hunting squirrels with Kevin Murphy and getting 0:28:16.359 --> 0:28:19.359 to a having a squirrel and a raccoon tree up 0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:20.119 in the same tree. 0:28:21.160 --> 0:28:22.440 Was not here for this conversation. 0:28:22.640 --> 0:28:23.960 Did I ever tell you the story. 0:28:23.880 --> 0:28:25.679 Is that the pinnacle of small game hunting. 0:28:26.440 --> 0:28:28.520 He I thought that this had to been the thing 0:28:28.520 --> 0:28:30.240 that has never happened in the history of the world, 0:28:30.320 --> 0:28:34.320 and Kevin Murphy assured me he's seen it before, where 0:28:34.640 --> 0:28:38.400 the dog bays up a squirrel and we get there 0:28:38.480 --> 0:28:40.840 and eighteen inches apart is a squirrel and a raccoon 0:28:40.880 --> 0:28:46.320 in the same tree. Coincidence, lots of ways to interpret it. 0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:49.520 A guy sent in, a guy that was listening sent 0:28:49.600 --> 0:28:53.400 in a picture he's got of a I mean, playing 0:28:53.400 --> 0:28:55.800 his day. There's a black barren a mountain lion hanging 0:28:55.840 --> 0:28:59.800 in the same ponderosa, treed up in the same tree, 0:29:01.480 --> 0:29:04.720 which he thinks is even cooler than what I'm talking about. 0:29:05.600 --> 0:29:11.200 Scales bigger, scales, bigger. Uh, I don't even want to 0:29:11.240 --> 0:29:15.280 get into them. All I came up the old saying 0:29:15.320 --> 0:29:17.680 I had. I'll talk about this later. I'm trying to 0:29:17.760 --> 0:29:21.680 develop an old time he saying, and a lot of 0:29:21.720 --> 0:29:25.760 feedback on that. But uh, another thing, Danny, I'm telling 0:29:25.800 --> 0:29:30.160 you this because you're here. We're talking about Sigwatara. Brian. 0:29:30.280 --> 0:29:31.400 Is the part of the show where we do like 0:29:31.440 --> 0:29:32.640 listener feedback and whatnot. 0:29:33.640 --> 0:29:36.960 Let's do it's hang tight, I'm there, bud By Hank tight. 0:29:37.000 --> 0:29:39.120 It means you're welcome to participate in anytime. 0:29:40.480 --> 0:29:43.880 So there is a guy, so this guy took Since 0:29:44.000 --> 0:29:47.440 June we talked about this. There is a guy that 0:29:47.440 --> 0:29:50.480 that has established a website where you can track Sigwatara 0:29:50.520 --> 0:29:54.120 out by outbreaks and fish he has. He wrote a 0:29:54.160 --> 0:29:57.000 little tool for report well, he wrote a tool for 0:29:57.120 --> 0:30:00.880 reporting and finding sigwatara outbreaks around the world. So you 0:30:00.880 --> 0:30:07.080 people to eat a lot of fish. Sigwa ara dot info. 0:30:07.680 --> 0:30:12.880 Spelled how it sounds c I g u A t 0:30:13.000 --> 0:30:14.000 e r as house. 0:30:14.920 --> 0:30:17.360 Yeah, that's what the barracoota get in right. 0:30:17.560 --> 0:30:20.200 Yeah, that's like the you know, the like the legend 0:30:21.440 --> 0:30:25.200 is uh and and uh, the legend is and I 0:30:25.320 --> 0:30:28.560 was taught this uh, even though I grew up nowhere 0:30:28.560 --> 0:30:29.200 near the ocean. 0:30:29.840 --> 0:30:31.280 You're you're an ell of a spear fisherman. 0:30:31.320 --> 0:30:35.000 Now though, if you put a barracuda in an ant 0:30:35.240 --> 0:30:37.760 like you put an ant on a barracuda, I won't 0:30:37.800 --> 0:30:40.360 eat it. He won't eat it if it has sigwatara. 0:30:40.960 --> 0:30:46.040 And some Bahamians tell me that that's ridiculous, But then 0:30:46.040 --> 0:30:49.480 they had some other equally ridiculous sounding way to find 0:30:49.520 --> 0:30:52.960 out if something has sigwatara. But they also have fish 0:30:53.000 --> 0:30:55.440 that you just don't eat. But what I didn't realize 0:30:55.560 --> 0:31:01.880 is in some places kudah have sigatary. In some places 0:31:01.920 --> 0:31:08.760 they simply don't. And in Louisiana, you'll see in Louisiana Texas, 0:31:09.080 --> 0:31:11.240 you'll see barracuda on the menu at the restaurant. 0:31:11.280 --> 0:31:15.000 Well, so in the in the Gulf, all of the 0:31:15.040 --> 0:31:18.040 people eat amberjack that come off the reefs, but East 0:31:18.040 --> 0:31:20.600 coast Atlantic Ocean like won't touch them. Full of worms. 0:31:20.680 --> 0:31:23.080 It looks like a mott petti clean them up. In 0:31:23.160 --> 0:31:27.320 the Gulf, the trout have worms Atlantic nothing like we 0:31:27.360 --> 0:31:29.560 eat trout non stop. Remember I put a picture up 0:31:29.560 --> 0:31:33.520 of a whole bunch of trout sea trout and guy's like, 0:31:33.600 --> 0:31:35.560 oh man, good luck with those worms. And I was like, 0:31:35.640 --> 0:31:39.440 I have no idea what you're talking about. Parasite And 0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:41.560 I do know, Like when we used to king macrofish, 0:31:41.720 --> 0:31:44.120 if the sharks were bad, you'd have a king macre 0:31:44.200 --> 0:31:46.160 coming to the boat. A lot of times taxman gets 0:31:46.200 --> 0:31:48.240 half of him, you know. But if you ever had 0:31:48.240 --> 0:31:50.160 a barracuda come in to the boat, they wouldn't touch him. 0:31:50.200 --> 0:31:52.840 Sharks they didn't want it. 0:31:53.000 --> 0:31:53.520 They didn't want it. 0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:57.360 Yeah, a lot of the barracuda right like the it's 0:31:57.360 --> 0:31:59.720 the little fish they get the cigatara and then the 0:31:59.720 --> 0:32:02.920 bear cood er eating those little fish and it just 0:32:02.920 --> 0:32:05.640 sits a build up in their system. Yeah, And so 0:32:05.720 --> 0:32:07.400 that's why the predators have it real bad. 0:32:08.160 --> 0:32:10.160 I just I've heard that that it comes from this 0:32:10.280 --> 0:32:12.680 reef fish. But then you think about the goliath grouper 0:32:13.040 --> 0:32:14.880 and I don't know that they have it. And all 0:32:14.920 --> 0:32:17.320 they do is, I mean they eat everything on the reef. Yeah, 0:32:17.360 --> 0:32:19.480 Like down in the Keys now, we just go down 0:32:20.600 --> 0:32:22.200 every for two weeks at the end of every summer, 0:32:22.200 --> 0:32:25.240 we go lobstering, and there were very few glath grouper. 0:32:25.360 --> 0:32:28.280 Now when my parents go down, they go down, they 0:32:28.280 --> 0:32:31.040 say every time, every all these lobster holes that they've 0:32:31.080 --> 0:32:34.080 they've saved over the years, there's a goliath grouper there 0:32:34.120 --> 0:32:36.560 and there's nothing on the bottom the lobsters. 0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:38.640 Oh he's in there mopping up all the lost. 0:32:38.480 --> 0:32:41.000 Everything, everything's gone. Well, I mean they get to be 0:32:41.120 --> 0:32:43.560 four or five hundred pounds. I mean they eat everything. 0:32:43.640 --> 0:32:45.360 Can you eat? Can you catch those and eat those? 0:32:45.440 --> 0:32:47.800 There's a you can get tags for them to right, yea, 0:32:48.760 --> 0:32:51.200 I went. We're on a dive in the rigs this year. 0:32:51.560 --> 0:32:54.240 We're in one that's only thirty feet of water. Like 0:32:54.240 --> 0:32:56.440 a lot of times they're just you know, unbelievably deep. 0:32:56.440 --> 0:32:58.040 This one's a thirty feet of water and I went 0:32:58.120 --> 0:33:03.280 down and and he's down there. Oh, like it looked 0:33:03.320 --> 0:33:06.560 like his head was like a five gallon bucket. 0:33:06.880 --> 0:33:07.440 Good God. 0:33:07.880 --> 0:33:11.920 And he's snapping his jaw at me. He's like coming 0:33:12.000 --> 0:33:15.719 out of this underneath this metal, blacking at me. And 0:33:15.960 --> 0:33:18.720 my first thing is like I was like, I wonder 0:33:19.960 --> 0:33:21.840 if you could kill this thing by hitting it in 0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:24.600 the brain. And I was like, oh my god, that's 0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:27.160 a goliath grooper. Like it's just like the first thought 0:33:27.240 --> 0:33:29.720 was how you would ever manage how you would ever 0:33:29.880 --> 0:33:32.040 manage like this? 0:33:32.200 --> 0:33:34.560 Jonah wasn't swallowed by whale, He's swallowed by Oh. 0:33:34.600 --> 0:33:36.680 And I came up and I'm like, there's a big 0:33:36.720 --> 0:33:42.880 They're like, don't shoot that, do not because you could 0:33:42.880 --> 0:33:45.480 have put I mean, they look like a school bus. 0:33:45.560 --> 0:33:50.080 You could fit. You could definitely fit your head in 0:33:50.120 --> 0:33:50.800 his mouth. 0:33:50.680 --> 0:33:53.760 No doubt. Does it make sense to you that it's 0:33:53.800 --> 0:33:54.680 an outbreak? 0:33:55.360 --> 0:33:57.640 Well, I only know about secretary just from why. I 0:33:57.640 --> 0:34:00.760 don't know like worldwide how because for and stuff. I 0:34:00.760 --> 0:34:03.840 don't think they deal with it. And but I do 0:34:04.000 --> 0:34:07.320 know that when we catch BRACU like offshore, the logic ones, 0:34:07.480 --> 0:34:10.239 there's not as big of a concern versus the ones 0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:12.200 that are eating the refish. 0:34:11.400 --> 0:34:13.640 Yeah, I think that it is. 0:34:13.680 --> 0:34:15.000 It's a bioaccumulation. 0:34:15.120 --> 0:34:17.000 Yeah, but I think it's like I think it's cyclical 0:34:17.040 --> 0:34:19.120 and it gets heightened. It's like the way red tide. 0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:22.920 But I'll close it by saying this not clothed. I mean, 0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:26.000 you say whatever really want. But from my perspective, I 0:34:26.080 --> 0:34:29.280 used to think of trigonosis as like kind of magical, 0:34:31.400 --> 0:34:34.880 and then I eventually got where I really understand trigonosis. 0:34:36.360 --> 0:34:44.280 Uh with Sigwtara, I'm astonished how in my social circle, 0:34:45.200 --> 0:34:51.600 I'm astonished how little it's understood. Uh, Like I'd like 0:34:51.640 --> 0:34:53.880 to have a Segretara expert on the show. For not 0:34:53.960 --> 0:34:54.880 a long time. 0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:57.320 I've definitely had it and not even really paid attention 0:34:57.400 --> 0:35:00.239 to it, right like you just yeah, I've gotten sick. 0:35:00.280 --> 0:35:02.480 But like only looking back on it, I just felt 0:35:02.560 --> 0:35:06.120 odd and like the whole hot cold water thing, but 0:35:06.440 --> 0:35:08.200 I just didn't pay much attention to I was just like, oh. 0:35:08.120 --> 0:35:11.000 Whatever'll, that's what the Behamians are telling me. The hot 0:35:11.040 --> 0:35:12.600 becomes hot, cold becomes cold. 0:35:12.680 --> 0:35:19.560 Yeah. My buddy Mark Heely has I think a lot 0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:24.279 of bioaccumulation and so he's pretty sensitive to it. 0:35:24.280 --> 0:35:24.640 Gets it. 0:35:25.200 --> 0:35:27.760 He can be like, if I eat this giant TRIVALI 0:35:28.040 --> 0:35:29.759 I will get this. Yeah. 0:35:29.800 --> 0:35:32.719 Some people want fish like the aluta wee caught. Yeah 0:35:33.200 --> 0:35:34.800 you know, did you eat some of that? 0:35:34.920 --> 0:35:35.040 Oh? 0:35:35.160 --> 0:35:37.120 Yeah, right, no problem. 0:35:37.200 --> 0:35:39.800 And some people and certain fish will have it with 0:35:40.040 --> 0:35:43.040 in higher concentration than others. And you know, I've had 0:35:43.080 --> 0:35:46.560 friends get sick over just one fish, one filet that 0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:48.879 night they had and they really Yeah. 0:35:49.080 --> 0:35:51.840 But as the the group that we were fishing with, 0:35:52.120 --> 0:35:57.239 the kill Kennies, they they're like, you can eat whatever 0:35:57.280 --> 0:36:02.440 you want because you don't have the history of eating 0:36:03.239 --> 0:36:06.239 these fish that accumulate secretera. 0:36:06.360 --> 0:36:07.560 Yeah, it's like the mercury too. 0:36:07.760 --> 0:36:09.840 Right now, why did you just do that little seque. 0:36:11.000 --> 0:36:12.160 Because that's how it's spelled right. 0:36:13.000 --> 0:36:16.920 No, No, I don't know. If it is, then the 0:36:17.000 --> 0:36:20.840 website's wrong. It reminds me. I think I've told this 0:36:20.840 --> 0:36:23.359 story before. I was in my doctor a long time ago. 0:36:23.560 --> 0:36:25.120 Were they EMTs hangout? 0:36:25.920 --> 0:36:26.040 Uh? 0:36:26.880 --> 0:36:30.840 But yeah, but it was a regular doctor. But he said, 0:36:34.920 --> 0:36:37.480 and I always call it tonightas he said, And I said, 0:36:37.520 --> 0:36:38.759 is that how you say that? And he goes, I 0:36:38.800 --> 0:36:53.000 don't know, yeah, man, Krinn maybe a great seguitara expert 0:36:54.280 --> 0:36:55.600 for like thirty minutes. 0:36:55.560 --> 0:36:58.000 And maybe somebody who's had it real bad too in 0:36:58.040 --> 0:36:58.720 the podcast. 0:36:59.239 --> 0:37:03.920 Yeah yeah, or a survivor or a member of someone, 0:37:04.400 --> 0:37:08.800 like like a really tragic story where someone didn't make it, 0:37:09.440 --> 0:37:12.319 but then we have their next of kin, the hard 0:37:12.360 --> 0:37:12.759 to get the. 0:37:12.760 --> 0:37:17.279 One that didn't make it. I definitely like to that's 0:37:17.320 --> 0:37:18.359 what guys all about. 0:37:18.440 --> 0:37:22.239 We could get a medium talk to the mercury and 0:37:22.280 --> 0:37:22.680 the big. 0:37:22.560 --> 0:37:24.560 Game fish is. It's an odd. 0:37:24.920 --> 0:37:26.839 I had a friend struggle with it for like three 0:37:26.920 --> 0:37:29.680 four years and just sick and then eventually couldn't get 0:37:29.680 --> 0:37:31.400 out of bed and like hurt the ache and all 0:37:31.440 --> 0:37:33.200 his all his joints ached and didn't know what's wrong 0:37:33.239 --> 0:37:36.680 with him. Mercury poisoning. Had to go on some crazy diet, 0:37:37.080 --> 0:37:39.719 get all them stop eating fish. And he was eating 0:37:39.760 --> 0:37:41.920 it like a couple of times a week, right, and 0:37:42.280 --> 0:37:44.759 uh it was bad, Like he couldn't walk. He thought 0:37:44.800 --> 0:37:45.239 he was dying. 0:37:45.400 --> 0:37:49.040 Yeah, so he's got mercury poisoning. Are you say he 0:37:49.120 --> 0:37:49.759 didn't but he did? 0:37:50.520 --> 0:37:51.600 Do you believe that he did? 0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:51.839 Now? 0:37:52.000 --> 0:37:54.520 I do? Yeah, I believe that he got mercury. It 0:37:54.560 --> 0:37:58.520 all adds up. He construct the couple months of his 0:37:58.719 --> 0:38:06.279 life of eating big halibit and plagics five nights a week, 0:38:06.920 --> 0:38:09.640 and that him and his wife developed the same symptomology 0:38:09.760 --> 0:38:12.279 and had talked about it to other people before they 0:38:12.360 --> 0:38:15.880 talked about it to each other. Yeah, I love just 0:38:16.040 --> 0:38:19.520 too much. I love how they like the sore knuckle, 0:38:19.880 --> 0:38:22.799 the sore hands, and stiff joints, and. 0:38:23.160 --> 0:38:25.719 They were in just like a cycle of eating fish 0:38:25.800 --> 0:38:29.440 where they always had some more and so they were 0:38:29.480 --> 0:38:32.759 like constant. That was the most hilarious part to me. 0:38:32.840 --> 0:38:34.960 It wasn't ever like we're gonna sit down and eat 0:38:35.000 --> 0:38:37.759 fish tonight. It was just like this, well, there's some 0:38:37.880 --> 0:38:41.040 halibit out, and then we had or whatever. 0:38:40.800 --> 0:38:43.080 And so and so over and that's left over. And 0:38:43.120 --> 0:38:46.240 it's just like a cycle of a cycle of mercury intake. 0:38:46.960 --> 0:38:49.719 And then I read one time a dude they didn't 0:38:49.760 --> 0:38:52.400 even like fish. I had to get rescued off a 0:38:52.520 --> 0:38:56.960 cruise ship because he bought a cruise ship package which 0:38:57.000 --> 0:39:00.879 gave him all you could eat sushi, and they had 0:39:00.920 --> 0:39:06.000 to fly him off the cruise ship for mercury poisoning. Crazy, 0:39:06.200 --> 0:39:09.120 that's wild, because he was getting his money's worth. 0:39:11.200 --> 0:39:13.400 Does it just accumulate in some fish or is it 0:39:13.560 --> 0:39:14.080 all fish? 0:39:14.200 --> 0:39:15.919 Yeah, so like especially the bigger fish. 0:39:16.520 --> 0:39:19.880 And they started finding it in Kobea Yeah, yeah, East Coast, which. 0:39:19.760 --> 0:39:22.160 We all it's fish that eat fish, to eat fish 0:39:22.239 --> 0:39:22.839 that eat fish. 0:39:23.280 --> 0:39:25.480 And to now they'll say, like anything under twenty pounds, 0:39:25.560 --> 0:39:28.359 like you're safer, especially for pregnant ladies and stuff. You're 0:39:28.400 --> 0:39:30.480 not really supposed to eat fish. But like if it's 0:39:30.560 --> 0:39:32.839 under twenty pounds, they say they're a little safer. Again, 0:39:32.920 --> 0:39:34.759 I don't know how that's like could be an old 0:39:34.800 --> 0:39:37.160 lives tale, but they say the bigger the fish, the 0:39:37.239 --> 0:39:37.960 worse off you are. 0:39:38.280 --> 0:39:40.400 Well, no, I think the reason it makes sense, right 0:39:40.520 --> 0:39:43.040 is like they they grow super fast and then they 0:39:43.120 --> 0:39:48.080 hit like a plateau point. So when you're you're income 0:39:48.360 --> 0:39:54.279 to growth is in a certain range, right, that makes 0:39:54.320 --> 0:39:57.160 sense like mahi mahi, right, like mahi don't Yeah, but. 0:39:57.440 --> 0:40:00.239 Like at ahi stay at one hundred pounds to pounds 0:40:00.239 --> 0:40:02.200 for a couple of years or whatever. Yeah, but that 0:40:02.320 --> 0:40:05.520 first you could go from zero to sixty pounds in 0:40:05.560 --> 0:40:07.960 one year. You know, Korean you can cancel that, expert, 0:40:11.280 --> 0:40:12.000 just wrap that up. 0:40:14.960 --> 0:40:18.000 So this is this is the last thing, and then 0:40:18.040 --> 0:40:21.800 we're gonna talk about the formative years of of Brian Harmon. 0:40:24.640 --> 0:40:26.959 I like to I like to periodically revisit this because 0:40:26.960 --> 0:40:29.239 is one of my favorite quotes of all time. I 0:40:29.360 --> 0:40:32.800 grew up so my dad, like my dad one hundred 0:40:32.840 --> 0:40:36.959 and fished, both fished with other World War two guys 0:40:38.360 --> 0:40:43.319 and meaning I should not that they not that they 0:40:43.360 --> 0:40:46.560 were necessarily World War Two guys guys of that age. Okay. 0:40:47.760 --> 0:40:50.080 He was really good friends with this guy named Ron Spring. 0:40:50.239 --> 0:40:55.279 Ron Spring had owned Springs Sporting Goods and was a 0:40:55.400 --> 0:40:58.960 bait supplier, so he was in the live bait business. 0:40:59.719 --> 0:41:06.480 He wigglers, crawlers, shiners, right. I one time went to 0:41:06.600 --> 0:41:10.480 profile Ron Spring and he wouldn't let me. And I 0:41:10.600 --> 0:41:12.400 grew up around him. I mean, I grew up with 0:41:12.520 --> 0:41:17.680 this guy. He wouldn't let me profile him because he 0:41:17.840 --> 0:41:20.880 was no way going to give away trade secrets about 0:41:20.920 --> 0:41:24.360 how he catches leeches, how he catches wigglers, and carried 0:41:24.440 --> 0:41:25.719 that shit to the grave. 0:41:25.560 --> 0:41:27.600 That's beautiful in his eighties. 0:41:27.680 --> 0:41:30.839 I was like, Ron, what's the difference now? Not going 0:41:30.880 --> 0:41:33.279 to do it? Would not let me go out with 0:41:33.440 --> 0:41:36.920 him catching bait for the bait story, which I respect 0:41:37.000 --> 0:41:39.920 him for a big time. Anyhow, this dude had been 0:41:40.000 --> 0:41:44.399 raised on Great Lakes fish. I mean not just the bait, 0:41:44.480 --> 0:41:47.319 but that's what he fished and ate fish. That's all 0:41:47.360 --> 0:41:53.560 this dude eight And University of Michigan went and found 0:41:53.600 --> 0:41:56.399 all these old timers that had grown up eating Great 0:41:56.480 --> 0:41:59.520 Lakes fish. And he would have to go down there 0:41:59.719 --> 0:42:03.040 every few months to do these tests and studies and shit, 0:42:03.120 --> 0:42:06.760 because they're trying to check on these elevated heavy metals 0:42:07.880 --> 0:42:10.239 from people to consume diets of fish out of the 0:42:10.280 --> 0:42:13.200 Great Lakes. And he'd go in there and they'd give 0:42:13.280 --> 0:42:15.719 them a list of shit. They'd be like, Okay, Ron, 0:42:16.120 --> 0:42:18.000 you need to go to the grocery store and buy 0:42:18.120 --> 0:42:24.560 me pound of butter, two pounds of burger jar, peanut butter, 0:42:25.480 --> 0:42:30.560 some asparagus, some bubblegum, some mouthwash, right, whatever the hell. 0:42:31.160 --> 0:42:32.719 And they'd wait a minute and they'd be like, Okay, 0:42:32.719 --> 0:42:35.440 what are you supposed to buy at the store. And 0:42:35.719 --> 0:42:38.680 he said to me one day, he goes, Steve, I 0:42:38.719 --> 0:42:41.000 wouldn't have remembered that list if I never ate a 0:42:41.040 --> 0:42:42.360 piece of fish my whole life. 0:42:49.360 --> 0:42:52.120 So grubbing Georgia, yep, grubbing Savannah. 0:42:52.440 --> 0:42:53.560 Just what came first? 0:42:53.600 --> 0:42:57.920 Golfer hunting, hunting fishing. For sure. I played first. Oh, yeah, 0:42:58.000 --> 0:43:01.000 for sure. Yeah. I didn't start golf until I was 0:43:01.000 --> 0:43:04.239 probably eleven years old. I played baseball, football, basketball, played 0:43:04.239 --> 0:43:07.040 all stuff. Didn't find golf until like a little later 0:43:07.160 --> 0:43:10.120 in my childhood. But but fishing, grow up fishing with 0:43:10.239 --> 0:43:11.399 my dad is how. 0:43:11.920 --> 0:43:12.560 Was he a golfer? 0:43:12.800 --> 0:43:15.920 No, no, no golf in my family. He might eat, 0:43:16.200 --> 0:43:18.040 he might hate golf worse than you do. 0:43:20.760 --> 0:43:24.120 Yeah, did you get it? It's like you didn't come 0:43:24.160 --> 0:43:25.280 from a family of golfers. 0:43:25.400 --> 0:43:25.440 No. 0:43:26.080 --> 0:43:30.759 No, my mom's a chemist, chemist, my dad is a dentist. No, no, 0:43:30.920 --> 0:43:33.600 no golf. So when you started taking off in golfing, 0:43:33.760 --> 0:43:36.480 was your dad like, great day to go fishing, Brian? 0:43:37.000 --> 0:43:39.600 He just, uh, it was all that I cared about 0:43:39.719 --> 0:43:43.919 once I found it, And so I spent a good 0:43:43.960 --> 0:43:45.840 portion of I mean, that's pretty much spent all my 0:43:46.000 --> 0:43:49.120 time dedicated to trying to see how good I could 0:43:49.160 --> 0:43:50.200 get as all I wanted to do. 0:43:50.400 --> 0:43:52.879 Who got who? Some neighbor gives you a golf club 0:43:53.000 --> 0:43:53.720 or like what happens? 0:43:54.080 --> 0:43:57.680 I had accumulated like just through sports. I had sort 0:43:57.719 --> 0:44:00.640 of like loose equipment for things like my dad owned 0:44:02.600 --> 0:44:04.880 like I had, I had small like clubs, just like 0:44:05.000 --> 0:44:08.160 all like maybe maybe he because we lived really close 0:44:08.200 --> 0:44:10.400 to a golf course, like maybe he'll like golf one day. 0:44:10.440 --> 0:44:13.239 And like just like I've accumulated all this nonsense for 0:44:13.360 --> 0:44:15.760 my kids, just like trying to throw whatever. 0:44:15.600 --> 0:44:18.680 At him, Like, well, what got a hockey, baseball bat, 0:44:18.719 --> 0:44:19.279 a golf club? 0:44:19.520 --> 0:44:19.600 Right? 0:44:19.600 --> 0:44:21.640 I got got all the got all the essentials. So 0:44:23.440 --> 0:44:27.400 I I was home sick from school anyway, I'd skipped 0:44:27.640 --> 0:44:29.440 a Thursday of school. When I was home, I forget 0:44:29.480 --> 0:44:32.000 what the circumstances were, but I watched a golf terminal 0:44:32.040 --> 0:44:34.680 on television, and I was close enough to where I 0:44:34.680 --> 0:44:37.440 could ride my bike up to like where we could practice, 0:44:37.640 --> 0:44:40.040 like hit balls. And that's how it started. 0:44:41.360 --> 0:44:44.840 Really yep, it spoke to you watching a golf tournament. 0:44:45.239 --> 0:44:47.520 I found. I found a conviction very early in my life, 0:44:47.560 --> 0:44:50.480 and I'm very grateful for that. I mean, I love 0:44:50.560 --> 0:44:52.560 to just right off the rip. I played baseball, and 0:44:52.640 --> 0:44:55.960 I loved I pitched. I love to pitch, played shortstop. 0:44:56.000 --> 0:44:58.640 But and I loved being on a team. But I 0:44:58.719 --> 0:45:03.520 didn't I didn't like. I didn't like how I could 0:45:03.560 --> 0:45:05.799 have a great game and not I mean, I hate 0:45:05.840 --> 0:45:08.080 saying that, like not win the game like that. I 0:45:08.320 --> 0:45:12.560 liked having the like the almost the vulnerability of the 0:45:12.680 --> 0:45:16.880 moment on you right, yea, So. 0:45:16.960 --> 0:45:19.160 Give me, give me the quick trajectory of how one 0:45:19.320 --> 0:45:23.600 goes from an eleven year old who discovers it to 0:45:24.520 --> 0:45:26.800 to pro like, like what are the you know? 0:45:27.320 --> 0:45:30.040 Like, so I fell in love with the game. I 0:45:30.160 --> 0:45:32.479 was practicing every day. I was playing with some older 0:45:32.560 --> 0:45:34.680 kids and playing from like tea boxes. So the golf 0:45:34.760 --> 0:45:36.960 course I was playing was too long for my ability, 0:45:37.360 --> 0:45:39.200 Like I wasn't big enough to hit the ball far 0:45:39.360 --> 0:45:42.040 enough to compete with the kids I was starting to 0:45:42.080 --> 0:45:45.360 play with. But I would get these golf magazines and 0:45:45.440 --> 0:45:47.839 I'd look at the scores of these local, like nine 0:45:47.920 --> 0:45:50.759 whole golf tournaments, and I'm looking at the distance that 0:45:50.800 --> 0:45:53.000 they're playing from, and I'm like, oh, like, if I 0:45:53.120 --> 0:45:55.759 moved up and played in these tournaments, I think I 0:45:55.800 --> 0:45:58.799 would do. Okay, my mom signed me up for one. 0:45:59.160 --> 0:46:00.879 She drives me down to say at Simon's where I live. 0:46:00.960 --> 0:46:03.920 Now, you're talking about playing at a place where it's 0:46:03.960 --> 0:46:06.880 not as far from where you first hit as it 0:46:07.000 --> 0:46:07.600 is to the hole. 0:46:08.520 --> 0:46:11.080 No, no, no, so yeah, I'm yeah, yeah, yeah, So 0:46:11.200 --> 0:46:13.160 you start so you got individual holes, right, I mean 0:46:13.160 --> 0:46:15.239 I do have to, like, you know how golf is, like. 0:46:15.320 --> 0:46:19.000 Yeah, there's there's the there's the part three what do 0:46:19.040 --> 0:46:21.360 you call them? Where the two there's you got the two. 0:46:21.320 --> 0:46:23.319 Balls, that's tea box. 0:46:23.560 --> 0:46:24.960 Yeah, and then you got the ladies one. 0:46:25.320 --> 0:46:28.759 Right, So you've got several sets of those tee markers. Right, 0:46:28.960 --> 0:46:31.720 so you've got like, I'm familiar with two sets ladies teas, 0:46:32.000 --> 0:46:36.600 you know, senior tea's, men's tea's. Oh yeah, so it's okay, 0:46:37.040 --> 0:46:39.160 all the whole gambit. So I'm playing from a couple 0:46:39.160 --> 0:46:41.960 of tea boxes back with older kids, and I'm shooting 0:46:42.000 --> 0:46:44.200 these scores and I'm no and I'm no good. 0:46:44.120 --> 0:46:46.480 Because that extra little bit of yard, I can't. 0:46:46.520 --> 0:46:49.279 I can't reach the holes, you know, in time to 0:46:49.360 --> 0:46:52.160 make a good score. So I'm looking at the magazines 0:46:52.600 --> 0:46:54.520 looking at the scores like I think I can do this, 0:46:55.160 --> 0:46:56.960 So my mom drives me down. I win my first 0:46:57.000 --> 0:47:00.600 tournament and it was like just gone. So that that went. 0:47:01.680 --> 0:47:03.880 I was twelve. Did you feel like you were cheating 0:47:04.040 --> 0:47:05.880 when you moved up to that? For sure? You were like, 0:47:05.960 --> 0:47:07.040 oh my gosh, I did. 0:47:07.280 --> 0:47:07.520 I did. 0:47:07.760 --> 0:47:09.440 I was like, this is much easier from here. I 0:47:09.480 --> 0:47:11.319 should have been doing this this whole time. 0:47:11.440 --> 0:47:13.200 So you did, but you did this, say. I always 0:47:13.239 --> 0:47:17.400 pictured that. It's such a common story in athletics, is 0:47:17.560 --> 0:47:22.320 the overbearing especially parent like golf and tennis, trying to 0:47:22.440 --> 0:47:25.880 like live there like they're you know, they're trying to 0:47:26.200 --> 0:47:28.360 live their dreams the children. 0:47:28.600 --> 0:47:31.439 Yeah, you totally. I was super blessed, totally opposite, even 0:47:31.520 --> 0:47:35.680 like now, even like now, you know, we'll be at 0:47:35.800 --> 0:47:38.840 like a big PG or we'll be at the Masters, 0:47:39.400 --> 0:47:42.880 right and my dad's there watching begrudgingly of course he's 0:47:42.920 --> 0:47:45.760 like Brian rather to be fishing. Yeah's come. It's always 0:47:45.800 --> 0:47:50.359 like man, look atlways acorns right here, like man, look 0:47:50.360 --> 0:47:51.920 at like look at he's look at this track right, 0:47:52.000 --> 0:47:55.959 look at this deer track right here. So he's totally unengaged. 0:47:57.360 --> 0:48:00.279 But I'm glad that he I'm glad that he like 0:48:00.520 --> 0:48:02.960 wasn't like super pushy, because I don't know if I 0:48:03.040 --> 0:48:06.200 would have found the same love and conviction for you 0:48:06.280 --> 0:48:06.520 to have. 0:48:06.560 --> 0:48:09.240 That baggage with your relationship to the sport. 0:48:09.800 --> 0:48:13.400 Well, I don't know anyone. I mean there's one tour, now, 0:48:13.440 --> 0:48:15.840 there's tons of there's guys that had overbearing parents and 0:48:15.960 --> 0:48:19.279 guys who had not involved parents, but the ones who 0:48:19.360 --> 0:48:22.880 had overbearing dads don't talk to them like most of 0:48:22.920 --> 0:48:25.400 them have no Yeah, they have no. I mean how 0:48:25.480 --> 0:48:26.480 how could it stay together? 0:48:26.600 --> 0:48:26.800 Like it? 0:48:26.960 --> 0:48:30.919 Just like if a parent is so selfish to try 0:48:30.960 --> 0:48:34.200 and achieve a dream through their kid and eventually the 0:48:34.320 --> 0:48:37.440 kid is going to resent them in some form or fashion. 0:48:38.160 --> 0:48:41.480 In my opinion, I've got I've sucks the joy right 0:48:41.520 --> 0:48:43.160 out of it, right, Yeah, look. 0:48:43.040 --> 0:48:45.120 At you know, like Darth Vader and Loose Skywalker. 0:48:45.800 --> 0:48:47.800 Perfect exactly. But we just talked to Dave. 0:48:50.120 --> 0:48:56.720 Off, uh when you did that and one of the tournament. 0:48:56.960 --> 0:48:58.480 Here's the part of the here's the other part of 0:48:58.680 --> 0:49:04.360 the parent thing that's hard to understand is you got 0:49:04.480 --> 0:49:07.279 to have someone driving you around and getting the gear 0:49:07.320 --> 0:49:07.640 and all that. 0:49:07.800 --> 0:49:10.239 Yeah, my sweet mother she took me everything though she 0:49:10.239 --> 0:49:12.959 didn't care about it. I mean she cared, She cared 0:49:13.000 --> 0:49:15.680 way more than my dad does. But she never it 0:49:15.760 --> 0:49:19.040 was never she was always very supportive. She was never like, hey, 0:49:19.120 --> 0:49:21.000 you know, it's you know, nine in the morning, like 0:49:21.160 --> 0:49:23.320 you should be practicing. Like that never happened. 0:49:23.360 --> 0:49:25.759 That did not happen. But if you pointed out that 0:49:25.800 --> 0:49:27.399 you wanted to go to some things. She was gonna 0:49:27.600 --> 0:49:28.719 was there. 0:49:29.000 --> 0:49:30.520 I don't. There's no way I would have made it 0:49:30.800 --> 0:49:33.480 and been successful without that support. I would have had 0:49:33.560 --> 0:49:34.680 have gotten really creative. 0:49:34.760 --> 0:49:36.920 But you could have gotten into like you could have 0:49:36.960 --> 0:49:39.239 been an aquarium enthusiasts. She would have driven you to 0:49:39.280 --> 0:49:41.719 the store. Correct, just whatever. She was just going to 0:49:41.760 --> 0:49:42.200 help you out. 0:49:42.680 --> 0:49:46.360 Yeah, I was. She loved tennis, shouldn't play. She just 0:49:46.480 --> 0:49:49.360 loved tennis. And I played tennis early and played a 0:49:49.400 --> 0:49:52.440 few tournaments and stuff like that, and she really wanted 0:49:52.480 --> 0:49:55.000 me to be a tennis player. But when I decided 0:49:55.040 --> 0:49:57.839 that golf was what I wanted to do, and it's 0:49:57.880 --> 0:49:59.799 just what and she she never brought it up. 0:50:00.120 --> 0:50:01.840 And like golf tennis like kissing cousins. 0:50:02.000 --> 0:50:07.560 Yeah, pretty close, pretty close individual so except one of 0:50:07.600 --> 0:50:11.759 their arms gets freakishly bigger than the other. Gosh, and 0:50:11.760 --> 0:50:14.480 the Dow's left arm is three times the size of 0:50:14.520 --> 0:50:17.399 his right arm. Whoa really yeah, look it up. 0:50:19.239 --> 0:50:19.640 Seriously? 0:50:19.719 --> 0:50:21.400 Yeah huge. 0:50:21.680 --> 0:50:23.239 Hey do you have a U Do you have like 0:50:23.320 --> 0:50:27.920 a really uh intimate relationship with a with a particular caddy? 0:50:28.480 --> 0:50:28.680 Yeah? 0:50:28.760 --> 0:50:31.080 Mine, that's what I mean. Yeah, that's the thing I 0:50:31.120 --> 0:50:32.720 did so so how many years? 0:50:33.239 --> 0:50:36.279 How many years we've been together? Eleven years, probably the 0:50:36.360 --> 0:50:39.960 longest tenured guys out there. It's a really interesting Yeah, 0:50:41.719 --> 0:50:42.920 six hours a day together. 0:50:43.080 --> 0:50:45.040 When I learned about that in golf, that surprised me 0:50:45.120 --> 0:50:48.920 that this is this is like a it's a it 0:50:49.000 --> 0:50:50.000 becomes a partnership. 0:50:51.239 --> 0:50:53.480 Yeah, and those guys are they're really good at what 0:50:53.520 --> 0:50:57.399 they do. I mean, my guy's got to know how 0:50:57.440 --> 0:50:59.919 to read me and knowing I'm running hot and running cold, 0:51:00.040 --> 0:51:02.680 and you know, he's like not just being a caddy. 0:51:02.719 --> 0:51:03.680 It's like a psychologist. 0:51:03.760 --> 0:51:05.759 Oh yeah, somebody did. Oh, he probably knows me better 0:51:05.760 --> 0:51:09.040 than my wife does. Yeah, you know, any and I 0:51:09.120 --> 0:51:11.240 probably know him better than anybody. 0:51:10.800 --> 0:51:13.000 Else on the you know, it's just is he just 0:51:13.080 --> 0:51:14.799 on a cut of winning? Like, how do you guys 0:51:14.840 --> 0:51:15.719 sort that whole deal out? 0:51:15.800 --> 0:51:17.640 Yeah? He gets uh, he's on a salary every week 0:51:17.680 --> 0:51:20.000 and then he gets a percentage of all the en 0:51:20.080 --> 0:51:20.640 core stuff. 0:51:20.960 --> 0:51:22.759 Do you guys do monthly reviews? And like. 0:51:26.080 --> 0:51:28.919 Just over a beer? Does he usually over a beer. 0:51:29.120 --> 0:51:30.759 It's tough because when you're in the when you're in 0:51:30.840 --> 0:51:33.080 the moment and you've got these emotions running high, it's 0:51:33.120 --> 0:51:35.000 really easy to be like, well, shut up, like, I 0:51:35.080 --> 0:51:37.719 don't care what you think right now. So it's usually 0:51:37.760 --> 0:51:40.560 better just get past it and have a beer and 0:51:40.680 --> 0:51:41.520 just talk about it. 0:51:41.960 --> 0:51:46.719 So is the caddie like, uh, did they want to 0:51:46.760 --> 0:51:47.960 be a professional golfer? 0:51:48.000 --> 0:51:50.239 A lot of them did, my mind did not. He 0:51:50.320 --> 0:51:53.000 played college golf, but it was apparent to him very 0:51:53.080 --> 0:51:54.560 quickly that it was in his future. 0:51:55.520 --> 0:51:57.960 So you when you're a caddy, you get you settle 0:51:58.000 --> 0:51:59.880 into that, like that's that's what you want to be. 0:52:00.080 --> 0:52:02.040 Yeah, I don't think there are any caddies. I don't 0:52:02.040 --> 0:52:04.880 think there's any professional caddies now on tour that have 0:52:05.040 --> 0:52:06.160 aspirations of playing. 0:52:07.239 --> 0:52:08.360 It's just just good at that. 0:52:08.719 --> 0:52:09.319 That's their job. 0:52:10.880 --> 0:52:11.799 Huh yep. 0:52:12.480 --> 0:52:14.480 It's a real profession. It's it's it's hard work. 0:52:14.760 --> 0:52:17.440 I'll tell you something about my personal business. Please do 0:52:18.440 --> 0:52:22.640 a book agent. Traditionally, a book agent is going to 0:52:22.719 --> 0:52:28.480 pull fifteen percent. Okay, okay, now you share. 0:52:34.040 --> 0:52:39.480 Well, first off, thank you for sharing some intimate details 0:52:40.440 --> 0:52:42.880 of oul books work. I got yeah, I mean I 0:52:42.960 --> 0:52:45.319 got agent, taddy. They all get percentages. 0:52:45.719 --> 0:52:47.960 That's some curious like, just now, I'm not asking about 0:52:48.000 --> 0:52:51.040 your relationship with your caddy. What's it like if you win, 0:52:52.320 --> 0:52:54.000 what do you guys call it a purse? Surprise? 0:52:54.239 --> 0:52:56.480 Yeah, the tournament win, the trophy? 0:52:56.960 --> 0:52:59.839 No, no, what is the cash amount called the purse? 0:53:00.040 --> 0:53:00.960 What do you guys use Yeah? 0:53:01.040 --> 0:53:03.239 So yeah, just the I mean, the purse is usually 0:53:03.280 --> 0:53:06.880 considered the entire the entire thing we're playing for. So 0:53:07.080 --> 0:53:10.359 just be like the winner's cut, winter's check, winter's check. 0:53:10.480 --> 0:53:11.839 So you won't to know how much? How much does 0:53:11.960 --> 0:53:14.200 my caddy get? A caddy? 0:53:14.360 --> 0:53:18.319 What generally is a caddy OH industry standard or high 0:53:18.320 --> 0:53:21.759 school golf professional industry standard hunter spencer. 0:53:21.719 --> 0:53:25.480 Is AH industry standard six to eight percent of the 0:53:25.560 --> 0:53:28.680 weekly take and then ten percent of a win. 0:53:30.239 --> 0:53:31.480 So they're pretty invested in this. 0:53:31.680 --> 0:53:34.200 Yeah, they make good money, they do good. They make 0:53:34.239 --> 0:53:34.680 good money. 0:53:34.960 --> 0:53:37.440 But that's funny too, because then it becomes real emotional. 0:53:38.920 --> 0:53:42.040 It's emotional for both of you guys, because when you're 0:53:42.160 --> 0:53:49.160 up there and you're close, he's he's licking his lips too, right, Well, 0:53:50.600 --> 0:53:55.560 what he's like, Hey, if my guy here can doesn't 0:53:55.800 --> 0:53:58.760 screw this up, I get like a good chunk of cash. 0:53:59.239 --> 0:54:01.400 Well, there's two ways to look at that. Do you 0:54:01.520 --> 0:54:02.560 do all this for the money? 0:54:04.520 --> 0:54:04.640 Uh? 0:54:05.960 --> 0:54:08.400 No, But it makes it possible right right. 0:54:09.080 --> 0:54:11.720 The money, it's like it becomes very complicated. The money. 0:54:11.880 --> 0:54:14.560 It's and I can speak for his name, Scott Toway. 0:54:14.719 --> 0:54:16.959 He's one of the most fantastic people on this plane. 0:54:17.000 --> 0:54:21.839 He's my caddie. The money is always like, oh oh wow, 0:54:22.320 --> 0:54:24.480 that that too. Oh you know what I mean. So 0:54:25.360 --> 0:54:28.400 he he works, he does what he loves to do it, 0:54:28.680 --> 0:54:30.239 and I love and I love to do what I do. 0:54:30.400 --> 0:54:34.320 And it's about us trying to beat the golf course, 0:54:34.400 --> 0:54:37.040 beat all the other players, beat the conditions, and like 0:54:37.160 --> 0:54:40.360 that feeling that we get when we've done something successful, 0:54:40.719 --> 0:54:42.719 like that's why we we do it. That's why we 0:54:42.840 --> 0:54:45.239 do it together. That's why we met each other. Like 0:54:45.320 --> 0:54:47.400 that is why we do it. And so then like 0:54:47.480 --> 0:54:49.439 the money's like oh cool man, like high five. 0:54:49.520 --> 0:54:51.399 No, I could picture that. Like if you're up there 0:54:51.400 --> 0:54:55.320 and it's down to the wire, you're not like counting dollars, 0:54:55.719 --> 0:54:56.640 you're chasing the wind. 0:54:56.760 --> 0:55:00.120 Well that's and it's like so I think it's it's 0:55:00.160 --> 0:55:02.680 a great exercise. And I swear someone came up with 0:55:02.840 --> 0:55:05.879 it to mess with people. But when you get done, 0:55:06.360 --> 0:55:08.000 so I'm going if you have to keep your keep 0:55:08.080 --> 0:55:11.120 someone else's score, Like this is sort of the pageantry 0:55:11.160 --> 0:55:12.399 of the whole thing. You have to keep the other 0:55:12.440 --> 0:55:15.880 person's score, and then you trade scorecards and you sign 0:55:15.960 --> 0:55:17.800 your own scorecards. So it's like a little bit of 0:55:17.880 --> 0:55:20.400 a I don't know, yeah, it's it's it's a little 0:55:20.560 --> 0:55:21.680 it's a little antiquated. 0:55:21.719 --> 0:55:24.160 But so you get into the presumably someone else is 0:55:24.160 --> 0:55:25.280 also keeping score. 0:55:25.200 --> 0:55:28.280 Right, right, So say you've got say there's two people playing, 0:55:28.480 --> 0:55:31.279 I keep their score, they keep my mind. Oh yeah, 0:55:31.640 --> 0:55:34.400 can you imagine, like Tom Brady, how many passes did 0:55:34.440 --> 0:55:36.680 you complete? Uh, but if you get the but if 0:55:36.680 --> 0:55:39.400 you get it wrong, if you sign the wrong scorecard, 0:55:39.440 --> 0:55:42.839 and you can get disqualified, whole things could put whole 0:55:42.880 --> 0:55:43.359 thing's gone. 0:55:44.080 --> 0:55:44.800 A tournament. 0:55:44.960 --> 0:55:48.200 At a tournament, I am still with pen and pencil 0:55:48.360 --> 0:55:51.000 or pencil and paper writing down right down some other 0:55:51.160 --> 0:55:54.120 score and then he I signed that one. So so 0:55:54.239 --> 0:55:58.120 every scorecard has to have all scores and two signatures 0:55:58.440 --> 0:56:01.200 for it to be legal and official. 0:56:02.239 --> 0:56:03.560 I would have thought at this point they would have 0:56:03.680 --> 0:56:05.160 hired like a guy to watch. 0:56:05.200 --> 0:56:09.040 I'm those people. Yeah, there also are are. Yeah, we 0:56:09.120 --> 0:56:11.800 could just be like hey, bro, like today like this 0:56:11.920 --> 0:56:12.440 and you're. 0:56:12.320 --> 0:56:14.879 Doing it because he's telling you, or because you're counting. 0:56:15.520 --> 0:56:18.399 Now, I'm counting, okay, yeah yeah, I mean they get 0:56:18.400 --> 0:56:21.040 it's like official, yeah, I know it's it's but anyway, 0:56:21.120 --> 0:56:23.080 so and so you go into this area where you 0:56:23.320 --> 0:56:26.719 trade your scorecard, sign turn it into the guy who 0:56:26.880 --> 0:56:30.000 checks him, and then that's that. But in that room 0:56:30.320 --> 0:56:32.920 they have the PGA tores this print out and it's 0:56:33.040 --> 0:56:36.120 like first place, this much, second place, this much, third place, 0:56:36.200 --> 0:56:36.800 and it's got. 0:56:36.680 --> 0:56:38.839 It all the way down this much of the win. 0:56:38.960 --> 0:56:41.359 And it's always fun to watch guys get in there 0:56:41.400 --> 0:56:43.959 and you know here, I'm I'm gonna finish twenty fifth 0:56:44.080 --> 0:56:46.320 and eight way time be right here. And I just 0:56:46.600 --> 0:56:48.839 especially when it's a young guy and I look at 0:56:48.880 --> 0:56:51.879 that and I'm like, I ain't got it. He ain't 0:56:51.880 --> 0:56:55.200 got it, Like if that's what you're caring about right now, 0:56:55.680 --> 0:56:57.719 like if he finished twenty Like when I finished twenty fifth, 0:56:58.480 --> 0:57:01.160 like twenty four, people beat me, Like what's the best 0:57:01.200 --> 0:57:03.080 way to get up there? Because the biggest checks that 0:57:03.280 --> 0:57:03.920 that top one. 0:57:04.280 --> 0:57:04.879 Yeah one. 0:57:05.200 --> 0:57:08.840 So he's you know, going down to x Y like 0:57:08.960 --> 0:57:12.080 oh okay, okay, I'm gonna be is he just trying to. 0:57:12.120 --> 0:57:14.880 Make enough money? So you can play next week. I 0:57:15.000 --> 0:57:18.240 mean maybe, but or there are there not anybody in 0:57:18.400 --> 0:57:20.200 on the professional tour that's that starting. 0:57:20.240 --> 0:57:22.520 There's nobody on the PGA Tour that's gonna lose money 0:57:22.560 --> 0:57:25.680 for a year now. But jumping back to the Caddy conversation, 0:57:26.080 --> 0:57:30.600 because of your guys bond and uh, your common goal 0:57:31.000 --> 0:57:34.360 of just getting better, you don't have to worry about 0:57:34.840 --> 0:57:37.440 like Scott throwing a little HG H in your iced 0:57:37.480 --> 0:57:41.840 tea or no, you know, like a thoroughbred race horse 0:57:41.920 --> 0:57:44.959 that maybe just needs an extra extra jump on the line. 0:57:45.040 --> 0:57:47.000 I wish. Now we get uh, we get drug tested 0:57:47.120 --> 0:57:51.080 like every three weeks every month. Really oh yeah, World 0:57:51.240 --> 0:57:53.400 Anti Doping m wow. 0:57:54.400 --> 0:57:57.920 So what uh, first of are you thirty six? 0:57:58.160 --> 0:58:04.800 Okay, what's the old golfer thirty seven? Uh, there's guys 0:58:04.840 --> 0:58:06.440 in their forties that are still doing it, doing it 0:58:06.520 --> 0:58:09.280 really really well. Yeah, Matt Kocher, Jack Johnson, these guys 0:58:09.280 --> 0:58:11.840 that they are just kind of timeless. But I mean, 0:58:12.280 --> 0:58:15.439 so there's a senior tour that starts at fifty. There's 0:58:15.440 --> 0:58:17.320 a lot of guys in limbo, you know, forty one 0:58:17.400 --> 0:58:18.240 to fifty years old. 0:58:18.320 --> 0:58:20.200 Oh, where you're dragging ass before you get. 0:58:20.200 --> 0:58:22.800 Well, you just you know, it's a it's a physical game. 0:58:23.000 --> 0:58:25.440 You hit the ground as hard as you can with 0:58:25.520 --> 0:58:28.440 a stick for thirty years. You know, shit wears out, 0:58:28.680 --> 0:58:29.520 what winds up. 0:58:29.640 --> 0:58:32.520 So what's the thing that goes is it? Is it 0:58:33.560 --> 0:58:34.480 driving distance? 0:58:35.040 --> 0:58:38.120 Yeah? And then I think it's the one too. You know, 0:58:38.760 --> 0:58:42.120 I've got three kids. We spend thirty some odd weeks 0:58:42.160 --> 0:58:42.800 on the road a year. 0:58:42.880 --> 0:58:43.080 I do. 0:58:43.240 --> 0:58:45.840 They probably travel with me. I don't know. It used 0:58:45.840 --> 0:58:48.080 to be sixty seventy percent of the time. Now it's 0:58:48.440 --> 0:58:50.640 twenty or thirty percent of the school and everything. Yeah, 0:58:50.840 --> 0:58:52.760 esus end up. You know, you're by yourself in a 0:58:52.840 --> 0:58:54.920 hotel room for thirty weeks a year, and at some 0:58:55.080 --> 0:58:57.320 point you get to an age and you're like, I 0:58:57.360 --> 0:58:59.640 don't want to do this anymore, Like this is Oh, 0:59:00.080 --> 0:59:02.400 it's like I'd just rather be run out of girl. Yeah, 0:59:02.560 --> 0:59:04.720 you run out of run out of heart. Run. 0:59:04.720 --> 0:59:07.240 I want to does your caddy hunt fish? 0:59:07.720 --> 0:59:07.840 Uh? 0:59:07.960 --> 0:59:09.440 Yeah, he's coming with me A couple of times. He 0:59:09.560 --> 0:59:12.320 loves to his brother. His older brother is Bob Tway, 0:59:12.840 --> 0:59:16.400 famous golfer, and he just bought him a little place 0:59:16.400 --> 0:59:18.360 out in Colorado. So he's about the trailer his whole 0:59:18.560 --> 0:59:21.560 tractor and all his outfit up to Colorado. Try to 0:59:21.600 --> 0:59:25.360 help him out. What do you mean just doing ship 0:59:25.560 --> 0:59:27.760 cutting stuff down proving the land. 0:59:27.920 --> 0:59:31.960 Oh, so he's doing helped do some wildlife management landscape work. 0:59:33.360 --> 0:59:33.840 That's cool. 0:59:33.920 --> 0:59:35.600 So he loves the he loves the hunt. He fly 0:59:35.760 --> 0:59:39.360 fishes a little bit. He's been down to the Keys 0:59:39.360 --> 0:59:43.880 a few times fly fishing, but he uh mostly just 0:59:43.960 --> 0:59:46.680 hangs out with his boys and comes to work. Mm hmm. 0:59:47.160 --> 0:59:52.000 What uh? How do you rank your guys' uh performance 0:59:52.040 --> 0:59:55.280 in like the snappy dresser lineup and the clothing and 0:59:55.360 --> 0:59:59.080 golf is such a nuts deal. Now, I'm I'm a 1:00:00.000 --> 1:00:03.160 people is that could possibly get guy? I don't. 1:00:03.280 --> 1:00:05.400 I don't like to you don't wear pink pants. 1:00:05.240 --> 1:00:08.120 No, sir, no white belts, no pink pants. I don't 1:00:08.160 --> 1:00:09.320 dress up like an easter egg. 1:00:11.640 --> 1:00:12.200 What colors? 1:00:12.880 --> 1:00:19.320 The solid grays, white blacks? 1:00:20.240 --> 1:00:23.240 So what uh? You know you don't have to tell 1:00:23.280 --> 1:00:25.560 me this with you specifically, but just in a norm 1:00:26.680 --> 1:00:29.280 do you guys lift every day? Like, like, what's what's 1:00:29.360 --> 1:00:32.480 the expectation on physical training for what you guys do? 1:00:32.840 --> 1:00:32.960 Uh? 1:00:33.080 --> 1:00:35.560 At home? I train uh three days a week in 1:00:35.600 --> 1:00:39.520 the gym. I do another day of like, uh, like 1:00:39.680 --> 1:00:42.800 body reassessment. And then most of us have these pets 1:00:42.840 --> 1:00:46.320 that travel, and so we're getting constant work on the road. 1:00:46.320 --> 1:00:49.520 I'm only one day a week training, but when I'm 1:00:49.560 --> 1:00:52.080 on the road, I'm at the course probably six days 1:00:52.080 --> 1:00:54.760 a week. So you know, there's a difference between like 1:00:54.840 --> 1:00:56.760 being in like really good athletic shape and really good 1:00:56.800 --> 1:01:01.080 golf shape like golf shapes more flexibility and repetition, and 1:01:01.760 --> 1:01:04.360 you know, we do most most of my gym stuff 1:01:05.160 --> 1:01:08.840 is to try and increase distance, but most of all 1:01:08.960 --> 1:01:13.240 like decrease injury, like just trying to bulk up as 1:01:13.320 --> 1:01:15.320 much as I can to where I my body can 1:01:15.400 --> 1:01:17.760 take the impact because like me, think about it, you 1:01:17.840 --> 1:01:21.040 go chop wood all day, hands hurt, shoulders hurt, back hurts. 1:01:21.080 --> 1:01:24.040 Like that impact and that sudden deceleration, it just like 1:01:24.640 --> 1:01:25.360 it wears you out. 1:01:25.640 --> 1:01:26.880 What's the most common injury? 1:01:27.320 --> 1:01:32.720 Backs, backs, hands, wrists, elbows, shoulders, That's where it goes. 1:01:33.640 --> 1:01:37.960 And then uh, like how does your hunting fishing calendar, 1:01:38.840 --> 1:01:42.880 Like summer's out, Yeah, what's the hunting fishing calendar for? 1:01:45.560 --> 1:01:49.320 Well, you're just well, we just we switched the schedule 1:01:49.360 --> 1:01:51.120 around a little bit on the PGA Tours, where if 1:01:51.120 --> 1:01:52.680 you have a nice year, you can take most of 1:01:52.720 --> 1:01:53.720 the fall off. 1:01:53.920 --> 1:01:55.680 What's a nice you mean you want some money. 1:01:55.560 --> 1:01:58.000 You've want some money. You're finishing a certain echelone so 1:01:58.080 --> 1:02:02.040 that you can afford to take Because last eleven years, 1:02:02.160 --> 1:02:06.200 our seasons they've started in October and they've ended in 1:02:06.360 --> 1:02:11.360 mid September, and so it's a constant like what yeah, 1:02:11.560 --> 1:02:15.400 it's a constant year round like schedule. So like the 1:02:15.480 --> 1:02:18.479 most time I would have had off any given period 1:02:18.480 --> 1:02:21.960 would have been like three weeks of no golf, no tournament, 1:02:22.120 --> 1:02:24.280 nothing like important that I felt like I had to 1:02:24.320 --> 1:02:26.520 play in. It's like the way that you keep your 1:02:26.600 --> 1:02:28.800 job on the PGA Tour is that it's a year 1:02:28.920 --> 1:02:32.360 long like points list, and if you finish inside the 1:02:32.440 --> 1:02:35.000 top one twenty five, you get your job for the 1:02:35.040 --> 1:02:38.480 next year. And so it's basically been like a constant 1:02:38.560 --> 1:02:41.560 revolving door the last eleven years. Like if you don't 1:02:41.560 --> 1:02:44.360 win a tournament, you win a tournament, you've got a 1:02:44.400 --> 1:02:46.640 two year exemption or whatever it is. But you're almost 1:02:46.760 --> 1:02:50.360 constantly under stress of like, oh, I have to go 1:02:50.480 --> 1:02:53.840 play at least a little in order to get ahead enough. 1:02:53.960 --> 1:02:57.160 So they'll play, right, But if you win a big 1:02:57.240 --> 1:02:58.479 tournament you get pulled out. 1:02:58.400 --> 1:03:01.520 Of that, you end up with different exemptions and different 1:03:01.680 --> 1:03:04.280 like access. It's all about your access to these tournaments. 1:03:04.680 --> 1:03:07.480 You don't have to chase it year round, right, So. 1:03:07.520 --> 1:03:09.880 If you win a tournament, you're thinking, well, I'm gonna 1:03:09.880 --> 1:03:10.760 go take some time off. 1:03:11.280 --> 1:03:11.480 Yeah? 1:03:12.000 --> 1:03:12.600 Is that what you do that? 1:03:13.160 --> 1:03:13.400 Yeah? 1:03:13.520 --> 1:03:13.720 I do. 1:03:13.920 --> 1:03:15.800 I haven't touched it. I've touched the club once since 1:03:15.800 --> 1:03:18.320 the Ryder Cup that was four weeks ago. What have 1:03:18.360 --> 1:03:23.480 you been doing farming unsuccessfully? Unsuccessfully? 1:03:23.640 --> 1:03:24.920 Tell me about your farm program? 1:03:25.000 --> 1:03:27.120 What do you what do you I bought a place 1:03:27.200 --> 1:03:30.360 last year, a big piece of hunting ground about an 1:03:30.360 --> 1:03:34.320 hour south of where I live, and it's just I've 1:03:34.360 --> 1:03:38.280 been just immersing myself and trying to manage it for 1:03:38.360 --> 1:03:38.920 the wildlife. 1:03:39.920 --> 1:03:41.200 And what kind of ground is it? 1:03:42.000 --> 1:03:46.960 Wet? Very very wet, a lot of upland a lot 1:03:47.000 --> 1:03:48.920 of upland ponds. You know, in Georgia we do the 1:03:49.160 --> 1:03:53.840 whole pine tree farm regeneration, you know, regenerating the land 1:03:53.840 --> 1:03:56.920 and stuff like that. So I've got when you say pines, 1:03:56.960 --> 1:04:00.560 what lob lolly pines like lob lolly slash? Very few 1:04:01.440 --> 1:04:03.360 long leaf anymore. But when they you know, they come 1:04:03.400 --> 1:04:06.560 and they clear cut and then they replant the pines 1:04:06.600 --> 1:04:09.200 and rows. So we've got probably half of it of 1:04:09.320 --> 1:04:10.160 my farms in that. 1:04:10.400 --> 1:04:12.200 And that's like a forty year cycle or something. 1:04:12.320 --> 1:04:16.120 Yeah, yeah, thirty to forty years. Yeah, So lots of 1:04:16.120 --> 1:04:18.640 burning down, a lot of burning. But it's tough because 1:04:18.680 --> 1:04:20.880 I'm right on the ocean and at every tide the 1:04:20.960 --> 1:04:24.000 wind switches, so you've got the time to burn up 1:04:24.040 --> 1:04:25.720 for It's like, oh, we want a perfect west wind. 1:04:25.720 --> 1:04:27.840 I'm like, yeah, but it's high tide in two hours 1:04:28.280 --> 1:04:29.200 and the winds switching. 1:04:29.600 --> 1:04:29.800 Yeah. 1:04:29.920 --> 1:04:33.840 And there's all these ye neighbors everywhere, right, So I 1:04:33.880 --> 1:04:34.440 mean this. 1:04:34.480 --> 1:04:37.600 Is so this is embarrassing if this is a widely 1:04:37.680 --> 1:04:39.880 known thing. But the wind switches with the tide swing. 1:04:40.200 --> 1:04:42.960 Yeah, because of the well, I mean, the the water 1:04:43.120 --> 1:04:46.240 that's in you know, the water waterfferent water temperature and 1:04:46.240 --> 1:04:48.560 the land temperature different. And it's not it's not like 1:04:48.640 --> 1:04:52.680 you'll have a twenty mins out and colder it'll flip it, 1:04:52.840 --> 1:04:55.120 you know, slack tide. You know, it'll change a little bit. 1:04:55.160 --> 1:04:56.800 So if you're planning on a west wind for a 1:04:56.880 --> 1:04:59.560 burn and all of a sudden you get an east one. Well, 1:04:59.640 --> 1:05:01.600 now you're running a head fire through something that you 1:05:01.680 --> 1:05:03.600 couldn't and you might be in some trouble. 1:05:03.920 --> 1:05:05.720 You're you're hunting land is on the coast. 1:05:05.880 --> 1:05:09.520 It's it's within Yeah, it's within half a quarter mile 1:05:09.640 --> 1:05:12.560 of like not open ocean, but like back river. 1:05:12.640 --> 1:05:15.360 Brackish oce shot it got it, so we do. 1:05:15.680 --> 1:05:18.080 I've got about twenty five acres worth of food plots 1:05:18.120 --> 1:05:18.680 that we tried. 1:05:18.720 --> 1:05:21.640 And what'd you try for that we do this? 1:05:22.160 --> 1:05:28.960 It's it's oats, wheat, rape, radishes. We tried to a 1:05:28.960 --> 1:05:31.040 lot of years. Will top seed it with these iron 1:05:31.160 --> 1:05:33.360 clay peas trying to stay away from like the rye 1:05:33.440 --> 1:05:36.840 grass that it's not native, and it'll seed out in 1:05:36.960 --> 1:05:37.640 just a nightmare. 1:05:37.800 --> 1:05:41.760 Oh, it spreads, It spreads like a radish. Don't no 1:05:41.800 --> 1:05:46.520 one now? 1:05:46.800 --> 1:05:49.080 Our turkey numbers are really good. We've tried to, like 1:05:49.160 --> 1:05:52.080 said burning and uh, but the water has been the 1:05:52.160 --> 1:05:55.200 big problem. We've too much of it, too much, too 1:05:55.280 --> 1:05:59.720 much water got beavers. Got so many beavers really. 1:05:59.720 --> 1:05:59.800 But. 1:06:01.480 --> 1:06:04.360 Yeah, they're they're not the pretty ones. They're not. I'm 1:06:04.400 --> 1:06:06.760 not sure they're fur is worth worth much of anything? 1:06:06.920 --> 1:06:09.280 Is your is your dad. He likes his land. Heal 1:06:09.320 --> 1:06:09.920 probably loves it. 1:06:10.640 --> 1:06:18.880 He loves it. He retired last year, and he's he's 1:06:18.920 --> 1:06:21.840 my man. He's my land manager right down there. He's 1:06:21.920 --> 1:06:22.360 doing great. 1:06:22.720 --> 1:06:25.800 So what what's you guys, what's you guys goal with 1:06:25.880 --> 1:06:26.200 the place? 1:06:28.080 --> 1:06:32.000 Well, that's that's where I struggle, because I've got, you know, 1:06:32.160 --> 1:06:34.600 some sorry. So for example, I've got I've got these 1:06:34.640 --> 1:06:36.920 trees that are ready to be cut, ready to be harvested. 1:06:37.760 --> 1:06:40.880 And you cut these trees down, and it's like, well, now, 1:06:41.080 --> 1:06:41.800 now what do I do? 1:06:42.040 --> 1:06:42.200 You know? 1:06:42.320 --> 1:06:45.960 Traditionally there you would replant it in rows, you know, 1:06:46.680 --> 1:06:49.320 with this mounded up with these pine trees, and in 1:06:49.440 --> 1:06:53.840 thirty years we'd cut it down again. And I just 1:06:53.920 --> 1:06:56.640 don't know if that's the way, Like, I don't, I 1:06:56.720 --> 1:06:59.560 don't know if that's. So I'm tempted to make it 1:07:00.120 --> 1:07:02.160 to try to restore, try to figure out what it 1:07:02.400 --> 1:07:04.760 was and maybe restore it that way. 1:07:04.920 --> 1:07:05.680 Can I help you with this? 1:07:06.040 --> 1:07:07.800 Of course you can't. Can I connect you with Robert 1:07:07.840 --> 1:07:11.880 Abernathy that'd be fantastic, Oh dude, we got yeah. I mean, 1:07:12.760 --> 1:07:16.840 if you just realize that trees didn't naturally grow like that, 1:07:19.360 --> 1:07:21.600 it could be no, the wildlife benefit. 1:07:21.760 --> 1:07:21.800 No. 1:07:21.880 --> 1:07:24.360 The reason I struggle with it is that so I 1:07:24.480 --> 1:07:26.760 bought this farm selfishly because I love to hunt and 1:07:26.840 --> 1:07:29.360 I love to I love everything that goes involved. I 1:07:29.480 --> 1:07:31.480 like it topped to bottom. I like the farm. I 1:07:31.640 --> 1:07:33.640 like killing them, I like eating them, I like butcher 1:07:33.680 --> 1:07:36.200 I like all of it. But I don't know what 1:07:36.360 --> 1:07:38.520 my kids are going to be into. Yeah, it's like 1:07:38.600 --> 1:07:40.600 and part of that, it's like if I replant these 1:07:40.680 --> 1:07:44.520 trees because it's a successful way to grow timber and 1:07:44.600 --> 1:07:46.480 to harvest it and it's sustainable. 1:07:46.800 --> 1:07:48.560 So you're being torn. It's like, do you want to 1:07:48.640 --> 1:07:50.720 pull it out of commercial right? 1:07:51.120 --> 1:07:53.640 Don't want to stop, you know, taking any sort of 1:07:53.720 --> 1:07:56.840 income off the land because I care about the landscape, 1:07:57.560 --> 1:07:59.960 or you know, do I kick the can down. 1:08:00.160 --> 1:08:04.080 A little kids? You know? It was funny because we're 1:08:04.080 --> 1:08:05.919 gonna return to this and I want CAL talk about 1:08:05.920 --> 1:08:08.960 this long Leaf deal. Robert Abernathew, who I'm friends with, 1:08:09.080 --> 1:08:12.720 he used to be he was the CEO or president 1:08:12.760 --> 1:08:16.800 however they run it of the long Leaf Alliance. He's 1:08:16.840 --> 1:08:20.519 retired Cal who's in there now. But I met people 1:08:20.800 --> 1:08:26.760 with Robert down South Carolina who were showing us, and 1:08:26.840 --> 1:08:29.759 there they were literally showing us like my parents planted 1:08:29.800 --> 1:08:32.840 this for us kids, because the turnaround. 1:08:33.080 --> 1:08:35.760 Oh for a long leaf is no no, the la 1:08:35.880 --> 1:08:36.760 blah yeah. 1:08:36.920 --> 1:08:43.000 And for telephone poles and you plan it. And they 1:08:43.080 --> 1:08:45.320 were talking about that sixty years ago, whatever the hell 1:08:45.360 --> 1:08:46.920 it was, whenever the hell you get a phone pole. 1:08:47.880 --> 1:08:50.960 This woman, this elderly woman, remembered as a kid out 1:08:51.000 --> 1:08:53.720 planting these things. Yeah, and it was sort of like 1:08:53.840 --> 1:08:57.600 they were planning it for her to have money, you 1:08:57.720 --> 1:09:01.360 know well, like, like I said, a very slow but 1:09:01.479 --> 1:09:02.680 predictable turn you know well. 1:09:02.720 --> 1:09:05.200 And that's the thing is that I'd like to find 1:09:05.200 --> 1:09:07.240 out if there were actually because a long so like 1:09:07.320 --> 1:09:09.479 a live lolly pond tree and a slash pond tree, 1:09:09.640 --> 1:09:12.559 they're mature twenty to thirty years old, and then at 1:09:12.640 --> 1:09:14.920 thirty they're almost I mean, I've got thirty year olds 1:09:14.960 --> 1:09:16.559 that are telephone pole stuff right now. 1:09:16.600 --> 1:09:18.280 Okay, yeah, probably off on the U. 1:09:18.439 --> 1:09:18.720 No no, no. 1:09:18.840 --> 1:09:20.800 But so for a long leaf, which is what are 1:09:20.880 --> 1:09:24.719 traditionally our southern forests were consisted of, it's one hundred 1:09:24.800 --> 1:09:27.559 years before it's a mature tree, like it's a very 1:09:27.720 --> 1:09:32.400 slow growing, so it's not grandkids that's not a sustainable well. 1:09:32.439 --> 1:09:34.679 I mean you think about all the things we use, 1:09:35.160 --> 1:09:37.960 pone trees for cardboard boxes, all the stuff that is 1:09:38.040 --> 1:09:41.519 just constantly going like it's not feasible to plant long 1:09:41.640 --> 1:09:45.600 leaves if you have that tree farm. So, but it 1:09:45.800 --> 1:09:47.759 was traditionally what was there. 1:09:47.960 --> 1:09:49.519 Yeah, and you get that like uh. 1:09:51.360 --> 1:09:53.879 Don't what they call it savannah, but yeah, so it'd. 1:09:53.680 --> 1:09:56.959 Be very big trees and all that shaded grass underneath, 1:09:57.320 --> 1:09:58.840 and they used to have the quail and all that. 1:09:59.000 --> 1:10:02.200 Oh yeah, and our our turkeys we were way different. 1:10:02.880 --> 1:10:05.519 And I'm not so sure if our turkeys are if 1:10:05.560 --> 1:10:08.640 it's a because because we've got a turkey problem. I 1:10:08.680 --> 1:10:10.920 don't know what's I don't know what's causing it, but 1:10:11.200 --> 1:10:16.160 declining numbers. And I I thought the other day that maybe, 1:10:16.360 --> 1:10:19.719 I mean, I've listened to a bunch of different stuff 1:10:19.720 --> 1:10:22.160 about it, but I think it might be our I'm 1:10:22.200 --> 1:10:24.560 not sure if it's the actual type of tree like 1:10:24.680 --> 1:10:27.920 live lolly verse long leaf, because I don't think there's 1:10:28.000 --> 1:10:31.439 much nutrition for a turkey in a pine tree. But 1:10:31.520 --> 1:10:34.640 I think our forestry practices, like we used to have 1:10:34.760 --> 1:10:37.760 to keep the lanes maintained and then you would burn 1:10:37.840 --> 1:10:40.000 it so that we could access it, like so we 1:10:40.080 --> 1:10:41.800 could walk through it, and you end up with all 1:10:41.840 --> 1:10:45.679 this great habitat for turkeys. Well, now these forestry machines, 1:10:45.720 --> 1:10:49.240 they'll go anywhere like like the terrain means nothing. And 1:10:49.360 --> 1:10:52.559 so we've stopped burning. We've stopped maintaining these lanes because 1:10:52.560 --> 1:10:54.680 when it's time to cut, you just go in there. 1:10:54.800 --> 1:10:57.559 You cut it no matter what. And when you burn 1:10:57.640 --> 1:11:01.240 these live lollies and slash you, you weaken, you know, slightly, 1:11:01.360 --> 1:11:05.160 but enough, and we get these pond beetles and that'll 1:11:05.200 --> 1:11:07.519 be that. And so a forester guys tell you don't 1:11:07.560 --> 1:11:10.400 burn anything, whereas all the turkey guys are like, oh, 1:11:10.479 --> 1:11:11.519 we want to burn everything. 1:11:13.040 --> 1:11:15.599 But the guys that are just looking at it. For timber, 1:11:16.240 --> 1:11:19.439 well that's a no burning, no burning. 1:11:20.520 --> 1:11:24.240 Uh, you got to go. It's very close to you. 1:11:24.360 --> 1:11:27.400 But tall timbers have you heard of that not? So 1:11:27.520 --> 1:11:31.480 they work with but they're like a kind of fire ecology. 1:11:31.600 --> 1:11:36.040 They work with state federal tons of NGOs, so Quail 1:11:36.120 --> 1:11:39.400 Forever NWTF. They do a ton of work with tall 1:11:39.479 --> 1:11:43.960 timbers and vice versa. But it is they have like 1:11:44.040 --> 1:11:48.360 a giant database probably like for the amount of precipitation, 1:11:48.520 --> 1:11:52.479 you get your soil type, everything on what that, what 1:11:52.600 --> 1:11:56.120 your options would be for prescribed burning, and and what 1:11:56.760 --> 1:11:59.479 was historically there because a lot of what they do 1:11:59.640 --> 1:12:04.240 is they'll take these old historic trees, whether they're like 1:12:04.360 --> 1:12:08.400 pulled out of a swamp, just an old stump that's 1:12:08.400 --> 1:12:11.080 sitting on somebody's land, and they'll go through there and 1:12:11.120 --> 1:12:19.679 they'll find what, uh, the pre heavy European management style 1:12:20.600 --> 1:12:24.519 fire cycle was in those areas, and then they can 1:12:24.560 --> 1:12:27.080 look at the seed bank as well and be like, oh, yeah, 1:12:27.120 --> 1:12:30.559 and here's all the all the plants that that we're 1:12:30.640 --> 1:12:36.479 here in kicking butt. It's interesting though, Damn economics of 1:12:36.520 --> 1:12:40.439 the farm will always be in the way. Well that's 1:12:40.560 --> 1:12:42.920 that's sort of why. It's like I didn't buy the 1:12:43.000 --> 1:12:44.720 farm to make money on it. I bought it to 1:12:44.880 --> 1:12:49.200 enjoy it, and like I feel a responsibility to to 1:12:49.680 --> 1:12:52.479 to restore it back to the way that it was. Yeah, 1:12:52.520 --> 1:12:56.240 but you know, it's a long game that I won't 1:12:56.280 --> 1:12:59.720 see it right, So which is which is cons It's 1:13:00.040 --> 1:13:02.320 will be fine, And I'm fine, it's fine, guys. 1:13:02.240 --> 1:13:03.000 It is it is. 1:13:03.960 --> 1:13:06.040 But yeah, you want to have it set up to 1:13:06.120 --> 1:13:09.360 where your kids aren't going to like feel the pinch 1:13:10.560 --> 1:13:14.120 right away. And but you know, like using cattle as 1:13:14.280 --> 1:13:18.680 de foresters, oh man, and and doing cool stuff like that. 1:13:19.439 --> 1:13:23.640 Could that supplement the timber, you know, relatively hands off 1:13:23.760 --> 1:13:25.880 certainly what they used to do. There, there's these old 1:13:25.960 --> 1:13:29.160 they call them these lift stations where they they drilled 1:13:29.200 --> 1:13:31.960 down into the Florida aquifer. And I had and one 1:13:32.080 --> 1:13:33.680 was lencol So I have a well, got come out 1:13:33.680 --> 1:13:35.080 and he fixed it, he goes, man, they probably did 1:13:35.120 --> 1:13:38.120 this in the nineteen teens. And then we've got these 1:13:38.200 --> 1:13:41.280 giant these water chestnut trees. They call them kwoaks. He's like, 1:13:41.320 --> 1:13:42.760 I bet what they used to is that they probably 1:13:42.840 --> 1:13:46.280 used to graze their cattle underneath all these big caloak trees, 1:13:46.320 --> 1:13:48.800 and this is where they water them. So a couple 1:13:48.840 --> 1:13:50.040 of different water stations. 1:13:50.200 --> 1:14:01.760 Interest, Now that I had a chance to think about this, 1:14:02.040 --> 1:14:06.200 here's what you ought to do. Put this whole thing 1:14:06.240 --> 1:14:08.880 in some kind of conservation easement. That way your kids. 1:14:09.120 --> 1:14:11.400 If your kids turn out to be lunatics, none they're 1:14:11.400 --> 1:14:15.760 gonna do about It'll be a little hamstring them. Get 1:14:15.800 --> 1:14:18.400 a forester in there and say, let's say I manage 1:14:18.439 --> 1:14:22.040 this for timber. What during my kids. 1:14:22.400 --> 1:14:24.639 Hold your kids seven to five and one. 1:14:24.720 --> 1:14:26.479 Okay, so I got a seven five and one year old. 1:14:27.360 --> 1:14:29.519 Let's say I manage this for timber. And I know 1:14:29.680 --> 1:14:32.200 no one has a crystal ball to understand timber markets 1:14:32.240 --> 1:14:34.960 and futures and all that, but let's just say, reasonably, 1:14:35.760 --> 1:14:38.280 what could they expect to pull off this timber harvest? 1:14:39.439 --> 1:14:42.720 Take that dollar figure, go out and win that much 1:14:42.800 --> 1:14:48.040 playing golf. Put that into some kind of little fund 1:14:49.240 --> 1:14:52.240 for your kids. So now you don't got to worry 1:14:52.240 --> 1:14:54.080 about screwing them out of the timber money. There you go, 1:14:54.160 --> 1:14:55.759 because you just left them the money. 1:14:55.840 --> 1:14:58.640 Game plan the next eighties. Then just like that, you 1:14:58.800 --> 1:14:59.599 play for coffee. 1:14:59.680 --> 1:15:01.600 Then you plant the whole thing, and Longley, this is 1:15:01.640 --> 1:15:04.880 why you came here, right right, everybody's away. 1:15:06.200 --> 1:15:08.200 The reason I came this is the reason that you're 1:15:08.240 --> 1:15:10.120 not going to get a meat eater mug because you're 1:15:10.120 --> 1:15:13.160 getting all this like everybody else gets the mug, you 1:15:13.240 --> 1:15:16.160 get a whole life plan. Yes, right, yeah, fantastic. 1:15:16.400 --> 1:15:21.720 Uh. My good friend Doug Darren, he always won. His 1:15:21.880 --> 1:15:25.920 thing about land management is he's always talks about, you know, 1:15:26.000 --> 1:15:28.639 there's what the farmer gets out of it. What's the hunter. 1:15:28.760 --> 1:15:30.800 Get out of it. He says, what's the land, get 1:15:30.880 --> 1:15:31.200 out of it? 1:15:31.479 --> 1:15:35.439 Yeah, I agree with that because I just I want it. 1:15:36.479 --> 1:15:40.600 When you look at that old like pine forest savannah, 1:15:40.680 --> 1:15:42.639 look with the with the grass, it's just the most 1:15:42.720 --> 1:15:47.400 beautiful landscape. And I mean, I wish I could snap 1:15:47.439 --> 1:15:50.720 my fingers and make it happen. Yeah tomorrow, But I 1:15:50.840 --> 1:15:52.640 just I feel like we're missing an opportunity. We end 1:15:52.720 --> 1:15:57.479 up with these super dense, thick pine forest that you 1:15:57.560 --> 1:16:01.120 can't walk through. Provides eat cover for the deer, but 1:16:01.439 --> 1:16:04.839 for our for our upland birds, turkeys, they're they're struggling. 1:16:04.920 --> 1:16:07.479 How's your dad at trapping? Pretty good is he? 1:16:07.880 --> 1:16:08.080 Yeah? 1:16:09.400 --> 1:16:12.000 Yeah, we're my brother. My brother is the trapper. He's 1:16:12.040 --> 1:16:15.760 a he took over my dad's dentistry practice. But he's 1:16:15.800 --> 1:16:20.200 a very meticulous, very meticulous person, and trapping really really 1:16:20.840 --> 1:16:23.760 kind of lead and lends himself into him being really good. 1:16:23.800 --> 1:16:25.559 He gets after the mid size predators. 1:16:25.760 --> 1:16:28.559 Yeah, the coyotes, he's hard on them, really hard on them. 1:16:31.120 --> 1:16:37.040 Possums we could trap, We could trap raccoons. I have 1:16:37.120 --> 1:16:40.240 a healthy, healthy population of them for the upland birds. Yea, 1:16:40.360 --> 1:16:43.320 there that's what you needed. There. Their brutal and we've 1:16:43.360 --> 1:16:45.240 got hogs. Our hogs I think are almost as bad 1:16:45.320 --> 1:16:46.760 on our turkeys as anything else. 1:16:46.840 --> 1:16:49.320 Do you hunt the hogs? Yes, yeah, you like to 1:16:49.360 --> 1:16:49.920 cook those up? 1:16:50.080 --> 1:16:52.960 We do, We make make sausage. We don't. Uh, we 1:16:53.040 --> 1:16:55.439 don't fool with all of them, but I mean you're 1:16:55.520 --> 1:16:58.000 kind of assess them. Yeah, I mean we we put 1:16:58.040 --> 1:16:59.840 up we put up some good numbers on the pigs. 1:17:00.120 --> 1:17:02.680 And uh, there's a bunch of them. It's a it's 1:17:02.800 --> 1:17:07.800 it's trapping them to the trapping them nighttime by any 1:17:07.880 --> 1:17:11.519 means necessary. It's a constant battle, kind of a shoot 1:17:11.560 --> 1:17:15.280 on site if you're if you're if you're hunting there 1:17:15.439 --> 1:17:17.840 and your deer hunt does not become a pig hunt, 1:17:17.920 --> 1:17:22.599 then it's like like grounds for dis disinvitation. Nice. Yeah, yeah, 1:17:23.280 --> 1:17:25.880 so are you do you remember your card has been 1:17:25.920 --> 1:17:29.760 pulled exactly? Like it's like man, POGs show up at 1:17:29.800 --> 1:17:31.320 whatever we're doing. It's a hog hunt. 1:17:32.160 --> 1:17:34.920 Do you remember? And maybe I'm wrong about how Georgia 1:17:34.960 --> 1:17:41.280 plays into this, but quail is just generally like way down. 1:17:41.360 --> 1:17:44.759 Yeah, quail. The quail population in Georgia is almost non existent. 1:17:44.840 --> 1:17:48.760 You've got some some central Georgia. Guys that have got 1:17:48.800 --> 1:17:52.640 these giant tracts of land that they've managed for, you know, 1:17:52.800 --> 1:17:56.880 released birds essentially, and they've ended up being able to 1:17:56.960 --> 1:18:00.519 cultivate some smaller populations. But I just don't think that 1:18:00.600 --> 1:18:04.680 we possessed enough brooding habitat for it to be sustainable 1:18:04.920 --> 1:18:05.439 long term. 1:18:05.680 --> 1:18:07.519 But do you remember are you old enough to remember 1:18:07.600 --> 1:18:08.599 back to good quail hunt? 1:18:08.640 --> 1:18:11.920 I don't remember good So it was that long ago. Yeah, 1:18:12.120 --> 1:18:14.439 I don't remember it, and I still haven't heard of anyone. 1:18:15.439 --> 1:18:18.840 You know, in Texas they've still got some the decent 1:18:18.960 --> 1:18:22.000 wild quail, but in Georgia it's got to be several 1:18:22.200 --> 1:18:23.519 couple generations at least. 1:18:24.439 --> 1:18:26.679 So when you're doing your when you're working on your land, 1:18:26.720 --> 1:18:29.880 that's not a that's not that's just kind of a fool's. 1:18:29.600 --> 1:18:33.799 Errand if it comes to fruition, it'll be a result 1:18:33.880 --> 1:18:35.920 of us trying to manage it for turkeys, because it's 1:18:35.960 --> 1:18:39.320 a lot of the same sort of activities. But I 1:18:39.400 --> 1:18:44.080 can't imagine with our coyotes and our birds of prey 1:18:44.439 --> 1:18:46.960 that that a quail has got much of a chance. 1:18:47.080 --> 1:18:49.800 I don't know how they ever existed in Georgia in 1:18:49.880 --> 1:18:53.080 the first place, like there's so many birds of prey 1:18:54.000 --> 1:18:56.439 that I mean, a quail is just not very good 1:18:56.520 --> 1:19:04.840 at staying alive. They're very poor. It's habitat because yeah, 1:19:04.880 --> 1:19:09.519 that change in the habitat regime, right, the I know, 1:19:09.840 --> 1:19:12.360 uh Georgia, it's d n R Georgia DNR. 1:19:12.560 --> 1:19:12.680 Right. 1:19:13.160 --> 1:19:16.040 They have some really cool programs on on some of 1:19:16.080 --> 1:19:20.080 the state w m as where they have sustainable wild 1:19:20.240 --> 1:19:23.559 quail populations. It'd be like drawing a big game hunt 1:19:24.160 --> 1:19:26.920 where like you put in for a draw to go hunt, 1:19:27.000 --> 1:19:29.400 to go hunt it. Yeah really yeah, and then if 1:19:29.439 --> 1:19:34.120 you get drawn, you get you can bring people with you, 1:19:34.360 --> 1:19:36.759 but you're still held to like the one person limit 1:19:36.880 --> 1:19:39.160 of quail. Yeah. 1:19:40.120 --> 1:19:43.479 I don't apply for this. I don't even care for 1:19:43.720 --> 1:19:45.680 I want to apply just here there's something to apply for. 1:19:46.920 --> 1:19:49.559 There are these like test cases there, and then there's 1:19:49.600 --> 1:19:53.200 a bunch of private places as well. But there's these 1:19:53.800 --> 1:19:57.000 uh you know, state managed places too where they're like 1:19:57.120 --> 1:20:01.400 this is what you need to have these populations and 1:20:01.479 --> 1:20:05.640 that's that's why they exist. But yeah, it's there's it 1:20:05.720 --> 1:20:09.400 all always comes down to habitat. Yeah, I border, I 1:20:09.439 --> 1:20:11.920 have a wm A neighbors to my north and South 1:20:12.000 --> 1:20:14.360 and our Georgia D and R. They they need they 1:20:14.439 --> 1:20:16.880 need more funding and more help. It's just that's where 1:20:17.520 --> 1:20:21.000 coming overwhelming. It's like they have an overwhelming piece of 1:20:21.080 --> 1:20:24.200 ground and they don't have enough manpower to keep it. 1:20:24.320 --> 1:20:27.040 So yeah, there's the has on that ground. Well. 1:20:27.160 --> 1:20:29.799 So so you know, in Georgia, we've got these great initiative, 1:20:29.880 --> 1:20:32.360 got the long Leaf Initiative where they'll basically come in 1:20:32.400 --> 1:20:34.120 and plant the trees for you, and they did that 1:20:34.280 --> 1:20:37.080 all over this wm A. But the seed bank of 1:20:37.280 --> 1:20:39.559 slash and live loolly is so heavy because that had 1:20:39.600 --> 1:20:43.840 been timbered before that. It just shoots up and it's like, 1:20:43.920 --> 1:20:47.880 well that's that, you know, and then you can It's 1:20:47.920 --> 1:20:50.400 like they try to do too much at once. It's like, okay, 1:20:50.439 --> 1:20:52.240 we're going to take you know, a thousand acres and 1:20:52.280 --> 1:20:54.240 put them in long leaf. It's like, well, the burning 1:20:54.320 --> 1:20:57.240 conditions aren't good enough down here, because like even when 1:20:57.680 --> 1:21:00.040 a long leaf is itty bitty you said it, I 1:21:00.040 --> 1:21:02.280 mean they need fire to force them like into tree form. 1:21:02.640 --> 1:21:04.880 And so you can burn all that stuff. But if 1:21:04.920 --> 1:21:07.479 you're not burning it every single year, you know, a 1:21:07.560 --> 1:21:11.040 liveblolly or a slash pine tree will outgrow a long 1:21:11.120 --> 1:21:12.479 leaf ten to one. 1:21:12.680 --> 1:21:14.320 So they put them in the ground. Then they don't 1:21:14.360 --> 1:21:16.360 have the they don't have the funding and manpower to 1:21:16.640 --> 1:21:17.559 expept for the weather. 1:21:18.000 --> 1:21:19.920 You know, if you don't get the if the weather's 1:21:19.960 --> 1:21:21.679 not right and you don't get it, I mean there's 1:21:21.800 --> 1:21:23.639 years to where there are places that you just won't 1:21:23.680 --> 1:21:26.400 be able to burn because it's too wet, the weather's 1:21:26.439 --> 1:21:29.519 not right, don't get a good day whatever. And if 1:21:29.560 --> 1:21:31.680 you don't do that, a live lolly is going to 1:21:31.720 --> 1:21:35.360 be three times the size as a one year old then, 1:21:35.880 --> 1:21:37.800 and a long leaf will be as a three or 1:21:37.840 --> 1:21:39.920 four year old. You see what I'm saying. So if 1:21:39.920 --> 1:21:43.439 they ever don't burn it, then it's pretty much that's that. 1:21:44.600 --> 1:21:47.280 What's what's your kids? Inter? I mean, I know someone 1:21:47.360 --> 1:21:48.880 that you're young to really have much, But what's your 1:21:48.960 --> 1:21:49.519 kids interesting? 1:21:49.680 --> 1:21:52.360 I've taken so I have a daughter, two sons, my 1:21:52.479 --> 1:21:54.800 daughter seven sons five. I've taken them down to the farm. 1:21:54.840 --> 1:21:57.800 They love it right around, they shoot that little twenty two. 1:21:57.920 --> 1:22:01.400 I'm just easing them into I'm easing them into everything. 1:22:01.439 --> 1:22:03.880 As much as I loved fishing with my dad and 1:22:03.960 --> 1:22:05.559 hunting with my dad, I mean there were days where 1:22:06.080 --> 1:22:09.000 we're fishing and it's pouring down rain and we're still 1:22:09.040 --> 1:22:11.840 out there and it's like, Dad, I'm not having fun. 1:22:12.200 --> 1:22:14.599 This is not fun. And it's like it almost took 1:22:14.640 --> 1:22:18.320 a period, Like it almost took a little while. I 1:22:18.320 --> 1:22:21.120 almost had to like rEFInd it as a young adult. 1:22:21.760 --> 1:22:23.720 That makes sense. Yeah, it's almost like we ye a 1:22:23.720 --> 1:22:27.439 little burned out, a little burned out. But I wouldn't 1:22:27.479 --> 1:22:29.519 trade that experience for any you know what I mean, 1:22:29.640 --> 1:22:32.000 Like it's hard to it's hard to like, oh, I 1:22:32.040 --> 1:22:33.800 wish my dad hadn't have taken me that day, Like, 1:22:33.880 --> 1:22:36.519 of course not. But I'm just trying to ease my 1:22:36.600 --> 1:22:38.519 kids into it because I want them to like it, 1:22:38.880 --> 1:22:40.800 you know, I want them to really like it. I 1:22:40.880 --> 1:22:43.920 want them to want to go because you're having to 1:22:43.960 --> 1:22:46.679 drag them down there. It's just not it's not fun. 1:22:46.920 --> 1:22:49.920 Yeah. Can I ask you more financial questions about it? 1:22:55.000 --> 1:22:59.000 If you so? Throughout the uter is a huge job, 1:23:01.479 --> 1:23:04.040 massive variability. What you could earn playing throughout the year 1:23:05.000 --> 1:23:06.280 A good years, bad years? 1:23:06.439 --> 1:23:06.599 Yep. 1:23:08.200 --> 1:23:12.800 Uh, what do guys do? You know? You have an 1:23:12.840 --> 1:23:16.479 expectation to you whatever you figure out your what your 1:23:16.520 --> 1:23:20.400 house costs, family, everything, and you have an expectation that 1:23:20.479 --> 1:23:24.320 you need to turn that there's some dollar figure that 1:23:24.400 --> 1:23:28.439 you have to hit and everything else is gravy. But 1:23:28.560 --> 1:23:30.800 what are these guys doing that go through that thing 1:23:31.000 --> 1:23:31.800 and then they don't hit it? 1:23:32.360 --> 1:23:33.320 There's a lot of stress. 1:23:33.479 --> 1:23:36.000 I mean, do you then spin out and have to 1:23:36.040 --> 1:23:38.200 go get a job and then that job pulls you 1:23:38.320 --> 1:23:39.599 out of trying again the next. 1:23:39.560 --> 1:23:42.160 Year's happened a lot. There's there's a lot of guys 1:23:42.200 --> 1:23:46.519 that I just I've always operated the work. I don't 1:23:46.520 --> 1:23:48.960 purchase things until until I feel like I did. I 1:23:48.960 --> 1:23:52.080 wouldn't have to finance them, like I just like I've 1:23:52.120 --> 1:23:55.080 got things that I want and those things haven't changed 1:23:55.120 --> 1:23:57.880 in size. Like I always wanted a farm, and like 1:23:58.000 --> 1:24:00.559 just because I was successful doesn't mean that the acres 1:24:00.600 --> 1:24:03.479 of that farm tripled. Right, So I've just never let 1:24:03.560 --> 1:24:07.240 myself get into trouble in that sense. But it's happened 1:24:07.320 --> 1:24:11.480 a lot, m like like as I've gotten more successful, 1:24:11.560 --> 1:24:14.599 like my house size doesn't need to get any bigger. 1:24:15.000 --> 1:24:16.920 Like I've got a twenty four foot boat that I 1:24:17.000 --> 1:24:19.400 bought several years ago, and like it's the biggest boat 1:24:19.439 --> 1:24:21.360 that I can own because it's the biggest one that 1:24:21.439 --> 1:24:23.679 I can take care of. If I had a bigger boat, 1:24:24.439 --> 1:24:26.400 it would be a complete pain in the ass and 1:24:26.439 --> 1:24:28.640 I'd have to almost pay someone to like take care 1:24:28.680 --> 1:24:30.320 of the boat for me. And I don't want to 1:24:30.360 --> 1:24:31.479 have to do stuff like that. 1:24:32.080 --> 1:24:34.960 So do you always have to live where? Do you 1:24:35.000 --> 1:24:36.760 always have to live where you can where you have 1:24:36.880 --> 1:24:38.960 to anticipate that you might just have a shitty year? 1:24:39.680 --> 1:24:41.360 Yeah? I mean that's that's real. 1:24:41.920 --> 1:24:45.479 There's no base salary with your company, your card, Nope. 1:24:46.000 --> 1:24:46.240 Zero. 1:24:47.439 --> 1:24:50.280 How many Americans make a living on like, not in 1:24:50.360 --> 1:24:52.960 the golf industry, but how many Americans make a living 1:24:53.200 --> 1:24:59.920 playing golf? Probably not like you know, golf pros and coaches. 1:24:59.600 --> 1:25:02.720 Yeah, touring touring pros that make a make it. I 1:25:02.760 --> 1:25:06.080 mean it depends on what probably one hundred and fifty. 1:25:07.280 --> 1:25:11.040 And then auto all. How much out of your annual 1:25:11.120 --> 1:25:12.760 do you do? You do all kinds? You probably do 1:25:12.880 --> 1:25:15.800 endorsement deals and sponsorships and all that. Yeah, is that 1:25:16.160 --> 1:25:20.080 is that more important than the than the No, the wind, 1:25:20.160 --> 1:25:21.519 The winning money is more important. 1:25:21.560 --> 1:25:23.880 It's about as pure of a meritocracy as you get, 1:25:24.920 --> 1:25:25.280 is that right? 1:25:25.439 --> 1:25:25.639 Yep? 1:25:25.840 --> 1:25:28.280 So make more money on the course than you do 1:25:28.360 --> 1:25:31.360 off the course for the most part. But the better 1:25:31.439 --> 1:25:33.120 that you do on the course leads the more off 1:25:33.160 --> 1:25:35.280 the course stuff. So it's all about like how. 1:25:35.160 --> 1:25:36.000 You perform m. 1:25:37.520 --> 1:25:38.920 But you should you should love that? 1:25:39.760 --> 1:25:41.040 Why do you Why do you hate it so much? 1:25:41.960 --> 1:25:46.080 Because I was telling its hard, not good at it. 1:25:46.120 --> 1:25:47.200 I'm not good at fly fishing. 1:25:47.240 --> 1:25:48.840 But I want to hit one of that. I want 1:25:48.880 --> 1:25:51.360 to I want to hit one of the ones that 1:25:51.479 --> 1:25:54.240 has that slow You want to get that slow curve. 1:25:54.120 --> 1:25:57.559 To draw or fade. Learning about draws and faith. 1:25:57.720 --> 1:25:59.920 Wow, and you can lean back and whistle as it goes. 1:26:00.439 --> 1:26:06.960 Yeah, you know, I met Brian Gombel one time and 1:26:07.160 --> 1:26:08.920 uh he killed a seagull with a golf ball. 1:26:09.600 --> 1:26:14.880 Yeah, it happens, almost killed a person. Yeah, we're playing 1:26:15.360 --> 1:26:18.400 up in the playoff event. Ridgewood Country Club's got this 1:26:18.479 --> 1:26:20.320 drive a par four, So it's part four. I'm hitting 1:26:20.400 --> 1:26:24.280 driver and I just I slice it over to the 1:26:24.360 --> 1:26:26.519 left and the guy's looking up, one of the guys, 1:26:26.560 --> 1:26:29.559 and the guy looking up hits him right and right 1:26:29.640 --> 1:26:32.040 on the side of the mouth, splits him all the 1:26:32.040 --> 1:26:36.240 way almost up to his temple, and so I walk up. No, 1:26:36.320 --> 1:26:38.280 it didn't blow his teeth. Out, just just split him 1:26:38.280 --> 1:26:40.519 wide open somehow. So I walk up there and the 1:26:40.600 --> 1:26:41.519 first thing I see. 1:26:41.439 --> 1:26:41.960 Is the blood. 1:26:42.439 --> 1:26:44.880 Sure, there's this puddle of blood. And the first thing 1:26:44.920 --> 1:26:51.640 I think of, like, that's dead deer. This guy, this 1:26:51.720 --> 1:26:54.840 guy is such a great story. But yeah, that stuff 1:26:54.880 --> 1:26:56.880 happens a lot. People get hit by golf balls, and 1:26:56.960 --> 1:26:59.680 it is it's a dangerous I would never go. I 1:26:59.720 --> 1:27:02.120 would never take my kids go watch a golf tournament. 1:27:02.160 --> 1:27:04.040 I mean because it's getting paid. 1:27:04.080 --> 1:27:06.040 Oh man, guys get hit all the time. Your caddy 1:27:06.120 --> 1:27:08.799 reaches into his bag and pulls out the latex gloves 1:27:08.840 --> 1:27:11.000 and stitch him up. 1:27:11.760 --> 1:27:14.880 Do you ever do you ever strike relationships where you 1:27:14.960 --> 1:27:17.559 get to where you get the fish on uh? Fish 1:27:17.560 --> 1:27:18.559 and hunting on golf course? 1:27:18.960 --> 1:27:19.080 Man? 1:27:19.280 --> 1:27:21.479 As much as much as you could leverage the ship 1:27:21.520 --> 1:27:24.320 out there, yeah I could. But I have to like 1:27:24.400 --> 1:27:26.800 compartmentalize it because if all I thought about was hunting 1:27:26.840 --> 1:27:29.360 and fishing when I'm working, then I would be horrible 1:27:29.360 --> 1:27:31.560 at what I do. So, like when I'm on the 1:27:31.640 --> 1:27:34.160 road and I've I've gotten invited to go do some 1:27:34.320 --> 1:27:36.280 cool stuff, like oh man, you gotta go fish here, 1:27:36.320 --> 1:27:38.200 you gotta do this, And I'm like I'm here, I 1:27:38.240 --> 1:27:41.080 gotta work, and it's yeah, it sucks, but. 1:27:41.600 --> 1:27:44.400 You don't like run out for an evening, you know, evening. 1:27:44.560 --> 1:27:46.760 We go like when we play in Honolu. We go 1:27:46.800 --> 1:27:50.439 to Honolu every year and there's this huge flat right 1:27:50.520 --> 1:27:53.040 behind where we stay and there's guys that are out 1:27:53.080 --> 1:27:55.439 there and they catch these giant bonefish and you just 1:27:55.479 --> 1:27:58.479 watch him out there all day long walking around like damn, 1:27:58.479 --> 1:28:05.400 it looks fun. Like no, because I would waste I 1:28:05.439 --> 1:28:07.920 would either waste time. I would either waste time where 1:28:07.920 --> 1:28:11.040 I should be in the gym, resting or working practicing 1:28:12.800 --> 1:28:15.639 at that time is budgeted, Like I get there, there's 1:28:15.640 --> 1:28:17.920 a plan, there's things that I have to do. And 1:28:18.080 --> 1:28:20.280 if I made the choice to go out and go fish, 1:28:20.439 --> 1:28:23.559 as much as I would love to like that, Yeah, 1:28:23.640 --> 1:28:27.719 so you're and you see that giant eight pound small 1:28:27.800 --> 1:28:30.720 mouth come out. Yeah, I've got giants right, and you're 1:28:30.800 --> 1:28:33.400 just that's just compartmentalized. That's just white noise off on 1:28:33.520 --> 1:28:36.160 the side. I mean, we will mess with the alligators. 1:28:36.240 --> 1:28:38.000 Does your dad have Does your dad have like a 1:28:38.040 --> 1:28:40.400 travel ride that he brings along tournaments? 1:28:40.400 --> 1:28:42.839 And I have to beg him to come to golf tournaments. 1:28:44.680 --> 1:28:47.439 It's usually just drinking a Budweiser and waiting for it 1:28:47.520 --> 1:28:47.960 to be over. 1:28:49.439 --> 1:28:50.400 He does all. 1:28:51.439 --> 1:28:53.519 No, not at all, not at all. 1:28:55.080 --> 1:28:57.200 That's pretty surprising that you have to be. I guess 1:28:57.479 --> 1:28:59.880 guys like just the discipline man, right, Like. 1:29:00.160 --> 1:29:03.960 Yes, I mean I feel like your success as a 1:29:04.000 --> 1:29:06.000 result of all the little bit of choices that you make, 1:29:06.280 --> 1:29:08.360 and I just try to make the right ones. 1:29:08.840 --> 1:29:10.840 What's your diet, Like, it's pretty good. 1:29:11.080 --> 1:29:13.439 A lot of meat, a lot of vegetables, trying not 1:29:13.479 --> 1:29:17.559 to eat a bunch of stuff. But I have trouble. Well, 1:29:17.800 --> 1:29:21.479 I got high cholesterol, so trying to avoid as much 1:29:21.560 --> 1:29:24.280 red meat as I was eating. But that's that's been 1:29:24.320 --> 1:29:26.599 a tough one. That's been a real tough one. Well, 1:29:26.720 --> 1:29:31.760 not to be biased against where you're from, but how 1:29:31.800 --> 1:29:33.040 are you cooking the red meat? 1:29:34.600 --> 1:29:35.679 Are you sure it's the meat? 1:29:36.040 --> 1:29:42.200 Yeah? Yeah, cast iron. Most of the time. I try 1:29:42.240 --> 1:29:45.760 to switch over to the olive oil from butter, but 1:29:46.439 --> 1:29:50.120 that hasn't been there as fun. Yeah No, I mean 1:29:50.320 --> 1:29:52.760 just like medium, rare salt pepper throat on the real, 1:29:52.960 --> 1:29:55.280 nice and easy. Yeah. No, I do only hardly any 1:29:55.320 --> 1:29:59.680 fried food. Yeah, I try to stay away from a 1:29:59.680 --> 1:30:02.080 bunch of ug Yeah. I just try to do the 1:30:02.120 --> 1:30:05.400 best I can get. Still, high cholesterol, hunt run your 1:30:05.400 --> 1:30:08.519 family said, my dad's got it. Yeah, good blood pressure, 1:30:08.680 --> 1:30:12.360 you know, blood pressure of a swimmer, But cholesterol's a nightmare. 1:30:12.880 --> 1:30:14.000 We've gone through your diet. 1:30:14.200 --> 1:30:19.360 Yeah, we've gone through your finances, relationships, relationship. 1:30:19.040 --> 1:30:22.840 Happily, happily married, three kids, been married, coming up on 1:30:23.080 --> 1:30:23.599 nine years. 1:30:24.760 --> 1:30:25.200 That's cool. 1:30:25.360 --> 1:30:28.040 Yeah, yeah, nine years in December. 1:30:28.400 --> 1:30:29.519 And is she golf? 1:30:29.960 --> 1:30:30.000 No? 1:30:31.120 --> 1:30:31.760 She liked the hunt? 1:30:31.960 --> 1:30:37.000 No, sure doesn't you kids like the golf not. Yeah, 1:30:37.200 --> 1:30:40.880 they've got the like got little bitty clubs, just the 1:30:41.120 --> 1:30:43.720 odds and ends. My five year old he started going 1:30:43.760 --> 1:30:45.680 to the golf course a little bit, but he don't care. 1:30:45.720 --> 1:30:47.160 He just likes it because he gets candy with you 1:30:47.320 --> 1:30:48.000 when he goes home. 1:30:48.439 --> 1:30:51.160 Oh, they're not they're not training like four hours a day, No, sir. 1:30:52.640 --> 1:30:55.320 What's your what's your go to? Uh? What you go to? 1:30:55.479 --> 1:30:58.280 Venison preparations. How do you like to cook it? We do? 1:30:58.920 --> 1:31:01.920 I do the backstraps and Erlin's uh pure style, the 1:31:01.960 --> 1:31:02.320 rest of it. 1:31:03.000 --> 1:31:03.120 Uh. 1:31:03.200 --> 1:31:06.439 We just started making our own burger. Would usually you know, 1:31:06.640 --> 1:31:09.600 take out the really nice parts, keep those, send the 1:31:09.680 --> 1:31:11.519 rest of the processor and get the burger back. 1:31:12.600 --> 1:31:15.320 Oh so you do your own, Yeah, you do your 1:31:15.360 --> 1:31:17.240 own whole muscle stuff. Then just bring it down to 1:31:17.280 --> 1:31:18.960 get it ground right, gotch Yeah. 1:31:19.040 --> 1:31:20.760 So most of the time we don't like so it's 1:31:20.800 --> 1:31:23.720 so warm and humid where we're usually hunting that the 1:31:23.800 --> 1:31:25.960 meat's almost always coming right off the bone. If we 1:31:26.000 --> 1:31:27.760 don't have a walk in we don't know how to 1:31:27.760 --> 1:31:31.200 access to a walk in freezer. So hang them meats 1:31:31.200 --> 1:31:33.599 all the way off the bone, right into a cooler, 1:31:33.720 --> 1:31:36.040 pick out all the good parts that that we don't 1:31:36.080 --> 1:31:37.920 need help with, and then the stuff that, you know, 1:31:37.960 --> 1:31:40.120 the time consuming, the grinding, and because you. 1:31:40.160 --> 1:31:42.280 Got a hustle, usually can't just go hang at your 1:31:42.280 --> 1:31:43.120 garage for ten days. 1:31:43.479 --> 1:31:48.280 No, we just can't like our environment. Just there's just 1:31:48.400 --> 1:31:52.400 no chance, no chance. So I mean, I'm a tender 1:31:52.439 --> 1:31:57.479 loin backstrap guy. And then if I've got time. I'm 1:31:57.520 --> 1:31:59.559 sure that you don't like when people make stuff into jerky, 1:31:59.600 --> 1:32:02.760 But I love making jerky. Yeah, it just seems like 1:32:02.800 --> 1:32:05.760 an anti purest thing to do with a piece of me. 1:32:05.960 --> 1:32:07.960 I love them, man. I was walking around eating my 1:32:08.040 --> 1:32:11.000 own jerky yesterday. To make a ton of jerky there's 1:32:11.040 --> 1:32:14.600 nothing wrong with jerky Clay. Clay Nukeom talks about he 1:32:14.720 --> 1:32:17.639 talks about how he's always getting burger. Shame grinds. Shame, yeah, 1:32:17.680 --> 1:32:21.080 grind because he just grinds the whole deer out. Then 1:32:21.080 --> 1:32:21.880 he has to get burger. 1:32:22.280 --> 1:32:23.880 He's got to make the Big three or the Big 1:32:24.040 --> 1:32:25.519 four taco. 1:32:26.600 --> 1:32:28.280 I get. 1:32:28.320 --> 1:32:31.360 I need, I need heart help. The heart has been 1:32:31.520 --> 1:32:34.960 a tough one. I get. Sometimes the heart comes out 1:32:35.120 --> 1:32:38.120 and it's like the best, like the best, the best piece, 1:32:38.280 --> 1:32:40.120 And the other times I'm like, I don't want to 1:32:40.120 --> 1:32:40.360 hate this. 1:32:40.520 --> 1:32:41.080 How do you cook it? 1:32:41.720 --> 1:32:43.599 I've cooked it the same way every time, just cast 1:32:43.680 --> 1:32:47.599 iron and butter. I mean yeah, it's it's like it's 1:32:47.640 --> 1:32:49.960 more of a heart to heart problem. 1:32:50.640 --> 1:32:51.360 Like the flavor. 1:32:52.400 --> 1:32:54.840 Yeah, just like some of them, some of them, and 1:32:54.880 --> 1:32:57.479 then like some it's just like this is like a gamey, 1:32:57.760 --> 1:33:02.200 organy taste, like a bad heart, like bad heart. Just yeah, 1:33:02.240 --> 1:33:04.360 trimming out best I can. You can put it in 1:33:04.520 --> 1:33:07.760 salt water, salt and that'll, you know, de ironize it 1:33:07.880 --> 1:33:08.400 a little bit. 1:33:08.520 --> 1:33:10.599 Okay, I might cook you, dear heart tonight. 1:33:10.640 --> 1:33:14.439 Okay, we're gonna have deer meat, great, damn, sure're gonna 1:33:14.439 --> 1:33:17.360 have deer meat perfect, perfect. 1:33:17.080 --> 1:33:21.680 What everybody wants to know. Fixed blades or mechanicalix. 1:33:20.920 --> 1:33:22.320 Blades, fixed blades. 1:33:23.120 --> 1:33:23.960 I know, I knew. 1:33:24.000 --> 1:33:24.760 We liked each other. 1:33:24.960 --> 1:33:29.120 Yes, some more And this is this is my testimonial 1:33:29.280 --> 1:33:33.800 to the Meat Eater podcasts. Ready. Yeah, so I've been 1:33:33.880 --> 1:33:37.639 on four l hunts, uh, the first three of which 1:33:38.000 --> 1:33:42.720 I hunted with Matthew's boat. And I'm using an arrow 1:33:42.840 --> 1:33:46.240 that is around four hundred grains and I'm using rage 1:33:46.320 --> 1:33:52.519 hypodermics now three for three first three hunts. But it 1:33:52.640 --> 1:33:56.400 was very concerning because my arrow was not getting the penetration. 1:33:56.800 --> 1:33:59.600 It just wasn't. And I'm making shots from inside of 1:33:59.640 --> 1:34:03.240 thirty yards, made really really good shots and some of 1:34:03.280 --> 1:34:06.960 these animals and other than getting lucky a couple of 1:34:07.000 --> 1:34:11.000 times I could have lost. Oh after really good shots, 1:34:11.080 --> 1:34:16.160 I listened to the doctor Ashby, listened to the Archer's paradox, 1:34:17.080 --> 1:34:20.599 and started started from the ground up. Bought the heaviest 1:34:20.680 --> 1:34:25.160 arrows I could find, cut them down, just steal ride 1:34:25.360 --> 1:34:28.320 nod did these east and you know whatever ten grains 1:34:28.360 --> 1:34:30.760 per inch. The heaviest ones I was because I've got 1:34:30.800 --> 1:34:33.800 a short draw. I pulled seventy pounds my draw is 1:34:33.800 --> 1:34:36.320 at twenty seven inches, so I don't have the luxury 1:34:36.400 --> 1:34:38.400 of speed. I've got no speed, So I've got to 1:34:38.439 --> 1:34:41.240 be careful because if I'm shooting a six hundred grain arrow, 1:34:42.040 --> 1:34:44.360 like I can't shoot past thirty yards forty yards, It's 1:34:44.360 --> 1:34:47.080 just it's just not feasible. So I wanted to end 1:34:47.200 --> 1:34:52.320 up with a high four hundred finished grain arrow. So 1:34:52.400 --> 1:34:56.560 I did that, built the arrows, and then did the 1:34:57.080 --> 1:35:00.640 the not the paper paper tune, no knot or no fletchings, 1:35:00.960 --> 1:35:03.960 notck tuned all the arrows, and the last time I went, 1:35:04.479 --> 1:35:06.800 I use a ironwhe one hundred and twenty five. I 1:35:06.840 --> 1:35:10.360 had five hundred grain finished arrows. They were all knock 1:35:10.439 --> 1:35:13.800 tuned and forty yards the longest shot shot I'd made 1:35:13.840 --> 1:35:19.920 on an elk slightly quartering slightly according to total passer, 1:35:20.840 --> 1:35:24.799 like just extra one hundred grains on the arrow, different 1:35:25.320 --> 1:35:27.519 broad heads. I'm a fixed coal period. 1:35:29.720 --> 1:35:35.320 Yeah, I mean this isn't exactly like a lab Yeah. Well, 1:35:35.400 --> 1:35:37.479 I mean there's things that it hits and doesn't hit. 1:35:38.360 --> 1:35:40.200 That's true. But I mean I shot an elk at 1:35:40.560 --> 1:35:44.759 twelve yards with inexpandable and my arrow goes in eight. 1:35:46.240 --> 1:35:46.920 Hit the shoulder. 1:35:47.120 --> 1:35:49.800 No, no, no, it was. It was very very dark. 1:35:50.280 --> 1:35:52.599 Hits a little back cording away kind of liver into 1:35:52.680 --> 1:35:56.439 the backside of one long, backside of one long. 1:35:57.120 --> 1:36:00.479 I've been having I've been doing some broad head soul searching. Okay, 1:36:00.800 --> 1:36:04.519 and uh, I find that you are that, not you, 1:36:04.800 --> 1:36:09.559 but us humans. We're heavily influenced by the last arrow 1:36:09.640 --> 1:36:10.000 we shot. 1:36:10.160 --> 1:36:15.240 Okay, lost the deer, lost the deer two years ago, 1:36:16.360 --> 1:36:20.920 which it was either because of the expandable or y'all 1:36:20.960 --> 1:36:23.280 mess much of that third acts of stuff, like with 1:36:23.400 --> 1:36:25.400 the sight you know. 1:36:25.520 --> 1:36:28.200 Well, I mean, I make sure I'm dialed, because you don't. 1:36:28.280 --> 1:36:29.600 And when you sit there in your backyard and your 1:36:29.600 --> 1:36:32.000 shoot parallel to the ground, you never notice it. 1:36:32.040 --> 1:36:37.000 And yeah, I'm straight down on this deer. I feel 1:36:37.040 --> 1:36:40.680 like I make a good shot. It misses, you know, 1:36:40.760 --> 1:36:43.880 the deer's facing left or right. I make a good 1:36:44.000 --> 1:36:46.040 when I feel likes a good deer's right up underneath me, 1:36:46.080 --> 1:36:47.519 and I make a good shot and hits him in 1:36:47.560 --> 1:36:49.880 the top of the shoulder. Air goes in this far. 1:36:50.160 --> 1:36:54.000 With the expandable, I feel like if I'd have hit 1:36:54.080 --> 1:36:56.160 if I'd have made that same shot with a fixed blade, 1:36:57.720 --> 1:37:00.680 he's dead because when you shooting you I. 1:37:00.720 --> 1:37:02.280 Lost deer there to day and I hit it too 1:37:02.360 --> 1:37:04.400 far back, and I kept thinking that if I had 1:37:04.479 --> 1:37:07.479 had something that now it's and I had had something 1:37:07.560 --> 1:37:08.160 that opened up. 1:37:10.200 --> 1:37:13.519 There is no there's no perfect answer. You're probably right, 1:37:15.200 --> 1:37:16.200 I mean, you're probably right. 1:37:16.320 --> 1:37:17.599 Yeah, And we weren't in the south. 1:37:17.680 --> 1:37:19.639 It was south Ish, south Ish. 1:37:20.040 --> 1:37:21.559 And man, those deer, when you get up to them, 1:37:21.560 --> 1:37:23.240 you're like, oh man, that's not a very big deal. 1:37:23.280 --> 1:37:25.360 You're not big at all, like what you're. 1:37:25.240 --> 1:37:27.320 Normally thinking of that your aim where you're gonna give 1:37:27.320 --> 1:37:30.840 yourself five inches. They're twitchy too, It's like five inches 1:37:30.880 --> 1:37:31.519 put you like. 1:37:35.160 --> 1:37:39.719 One hundred pounds dough thirty yards. I mean that's a twitchy, 1:37:39.840 --> 1:37:42.320 twitchy animal. And they're already tiny. 1:37:43.120 --> 1:37:45.839 So when do you get what's on your your fall schedule? 1:37:45.840 --> 1:37:47.360 When when do things heat up for you? Guys? You're 1:37:47.400 --> 1:37:48.920 already getting after it probably now, aren't you. 1:37:49.080 --> 1:37:51.040 No, we so I'll start back up. I got one 1:37:51.080 --> 1:37:51.599 more tournament. 1:37:51.640 --> 1:37:52.599 No, I mean you're hunting playing? 1:37:53.080 --> 1:37:55.240 Oh man, I'm we got to redo food plots. We 1:37:55.320 --> 1:37:58.080 did them two weeks ago, worked our hands in the bone, 1:37:58.120 --> 1:38:01.760 had this rain coming. It was dry. Like it's hard 1:38:01.800 --> 1:38:04.240 for me because I have to pick a dry spell 1:38:04.320 --> 1:38:08.720 to plant because I can't get in there otherwise, like 1:38:08.760 --> 1:38:10.760 where where our plots are, Like I don't want to 1:38:10.800 --> 1:38:14.360 run it up too bad. So the rain's coming, it's dry. 1:38:14.400 --> 1:38:16.479 I'm like, let's try it. So we go plant, work 1:38:16.520 --> 1:38:18.000 our hands and bone for two days and then we 1:38:18.080 --> 1:38:21.080 got five inches of rain supposed to get like half 1:38:21.120 --> 1:38:21.639 an inches. 1:38:21.439 --> 1:38:25.200 Getting dry planting weather. Then some nice sprinkles and. 1:38:25.320 --> 1:38:27.519 Right, and then that's it. So it didn't get that. 1:38:27.640 --> 1:38:28.720 I think we got to redo all that. 1:38:29.400 --> 1:38:30.840 But when does hunting heat up for you? Guys? 1:38:31.080 --> 1:38:33.360 Man, I'm just I'm so focused on trying to get 1:38:33.400 --> 1:38:34.120 this place. 1:38:34.080 --> 1:38:36.280 Like ditched, and you're not even worried about it. 1:38:36.439 --> 1:38:38.120 Not really. I mean I sat the other night and 1:38:38.200 --> 1:38:40.320 I was like, damn, this place is still wet. I 1:38:40.400 --> 1:38:42.639 guess like I just want to go buy an excavator 1:38:42.640 --> 1:38:43.639 and start moving water. 1:38:44.600 --> 1:38:46.960 Yeah, you got that where you can't relax until you 1:38:47.000 --> 1:38:51.679 get unpacked kind of thing, right, right, wood duck situation. 1:38:51.920 --> 1:38:55.920 We got piles and piles of woods. See that's so funny, 1:38:56.680 --> 1:39:00.160 Like where we are, we're like a wood duck, but 1:39:00.280 --> 1:39:05.479 someone kills the redhead somewhere like oh my right, oh yeah, ducks, 1:39:05.600 --> 1:39:06.360 great wood ducks. 1:39:06.560 --> 1:39:07.880 I see, that was our duck. 1:39:08.040 --> 1:39:09.599 We'll go kill you three wood ducks. Be a waffle 1:39:09.640 --> 1:39:10.599 alis at seven fifteen. 1:39:10.680 --> 1:39:13.760 Man, that was our growing up. That was our duck. 1:39:13.840 --> 1:39:16.599 You know. That was like when in Michigan the opener 1:39:16.720 --> 1:39:18.679 you get some mallards. But you know, we would focus. 1:39:19.200 --> 1:39:21.640 We would hunt ducks heavily for a week, yep. And 1:39:21.760 --> 1:39:23.920 it was wood ducks, you know, right when the season open, 1:39:24.240 --> 1:39:28.000 so like right now basically and then now, man, I 1:39:28.000 --> 1:39:31.760 would just kill to go. Uh my buddy I had 1:39:31.800 --> 1:39:33.720 mentioned earlier, my buddy Doug. He gets wood ducks on 1:39:33.800 --> 1:39:36.080 his little pond and it'd be so fun to go 1:39:36.120 --> 1:39:36.280 in here. 1:39:36.600 --> 1:39:40.759 Yeah, it's fine. So there's a there's a a wma 1:39:41.120 --> 1:39:44.960 duck hutting place and Darien. It's called Rhet's Alan, but 1:39:45.120 --> 1:39:48.040 it's a their old rice plant, their old rice fields. 1:39:49.240 --> 1:39:51.400 So it's diked up out of brackish water. So it's 1:39:51.560 --> 1:39:55.920 fresh ish, fresh ear water inside the impowerment. But in 1:39:56.040 --> 1:39:57.680 order to get into the powerment, you've got to take 1:39:57.680 --> 1:39:59.040 you know, we had a little duck boat. It's got 1:39:59.080 --> 1:40:01.439 a winch on the front. You gotta winch up the 1:40:01.479 --> 1:40:04.360 wooden pull over and then basically ride the boat down 1:40:04.439 --> 1:40:06.200 into it. So we're getting out. 1:40:06.080 --> 1:40:11.160 There the movie. I have not put that on your list, Okay, Moat. 1:40:10.720 --> 1:40:14.160 So Wednesdays, Saturdays, and Sundays we're hunting rets every single time. 1:40:14.200 --> 1:40:16.360 So my point is like we would go to this effort, 1:40:16.920 --> 1:40:19.559 leaving it two in the morning, getting there, decoys out 1:40:19.640 --> 1:40:22.320 so that we could shoot like one buffalohead and like 1:40:22.520 --> 1:40:25.759 two ring necks as opposed to like going and sitting 1:40:25.800 --> 1:40:29.160 in any swamp and killing three wood ducks. So we 1:40:29.200 --> 1:40:33.320 would literally move heaven and earth to kill anything but 1:40:33.400 --> 1:40:36.400 a wood duck. That's amazing because they just don't have 1:40:36.640 --> 1:40:38.600 like the culture. We don't have. We don't have the 1:40:38.800 --> 1:40:40.720 we just don't have the variety. But it's also just 1:40:40.800 --> 1:40:45.360 a very tasty duck. I'm just saying, looks good, taste 1:40:45.360 --> 1:40:48.880 goodn't any more? Could you want Brian's place? Like can 1:40:48.920 --> 1:40:52.000 you imagine? Like I feel like my hunting would have 1:40:52.080 --> 1:40:56.920 been vastly slowed down, Like I wouldn't know as much 1:40:56.960 --> 1:40:58.800 as I know if I was, like, well, I can 1:40:58.880 --> 1:41:01.720 go to the spot all three super tasty ducks and 1:41:01.880 --> 1:41:06.639 a pig every day, right, I could. I can almost 1:41:06.720 --> 1:41:10.440 guarantee that, Yeah, late late December. 1:41:10.680 --> 1:41:11.639 That's when I got to come down. 1:41:11.720 --> 1:41:13.639 Three wood ducks and this an invite I can't tell 1:41:13.760 --> 1:41:14.280 man whenever. 1:41:16.720 --> 1:41:17.720 And it's three woodies a. 1:41:17.760 --> 1:41:19.719 Day, three woodies per person, yes. 1:41:20.240 --> 1:41:21.360 And we'd be getting drakes. 1:41:21.920 --> 1:41:24.080 Yeah, you could probably pick out drakes. But it's it's 1:41:24.120 --> 1:41:26.200 hard because it's so dark, because you're in a swamp. 1:41:26.600 --> 1:41:29.240 They fly early and then it's done, like there is 1:41:29.360 --> 1:41:31.160 no like mid morning fly and. 1:41:31.200 --> 1:41:34.479 You guys don't do an evening set because the. 1:41:34.479 --> 1:41:37.480 Morning Yeah, pretty much impossible to do it legally. 1:41:37.479 --> 1:41:39.640 Because they're just coming in after dark and you've kind 1:41:39.640 --> 1:41:40.519 of ruined the spot. 1:41:40.360 --> 1:41:43.400 Right well, they they yeah, I mean you you've totally 1:41:43.520 --> 1:41:46.880 blown their roost up when you roost hunt. It's it's 1:41:46.960 --> 1:41:47.400 it's so what. 1:41:47.439 --> 1:41:48.960 Are you going out into in the morning, Like, what 1:41:49.040 --> 1:41:50.160 are they coming into to feed in? 1:41:50.360 --> 1:41:56.320 Just cypress swamps? Really, that'd be gorgeous, dud bad man, 1:41:56.560 --> 1:41:58.519 Come on, you shoot all the wood ducks you want? 1:41:58.760 --> 1:41:59.040 Really? 1:41:59.160 --> 1:42:02.240 Oh yeah, oh yeah, we can have that hemmed. 1:42:02.040 --> 1:42:04.840 Up hunters down that neck of woods. Can he come with? 1:42:04.960 --> 1:42:05.280 We would? 1:42:05.360 --> 1:42:08.600 We had we had a we were part of in 1:42:08.680 --> 1:42:13.479 high school. We were part of a cool duck hunting 1:42:13.479 --> 1:42:15.920 place down in Lake City, Florida, where it was a 1:42:16.080 --> 1:42:19.120 phosphate mine, and to mind the phosphate, they were always 1:42:19.120 --> 1:42:20.840 having to move the water around, so they would end 1:42:20.920 --> 1:42:24.799 up with different giant holding places and then flooded timber. 1:42:25.200 --> 1:42:26.800 So we'd go in the flooded timber and try and 1:42:26.920 --> 1:42:29.760 kill the gad wall and the teal, and then we'd 1:42:29.840 --> 1:42:32.400 hunt the big bodies of water for the canvas backs 1:42:32.439 --> 1:42:34.720 and the red heads ring necks. So we had like 1:42:35.360 --> 1:42:37.720 but all that being said, like we could have just 1:42:37.760 --> 1:42:39.880 been killing woo ducks all time. We literally drive like 1:42:40.240 --> 1:42:44.720 three hours. It's a really fun time in Montana right now, 1:42:44.880 --> 1:42:48.560 like pre storm, we're just like starting to get the 1:42:48.720 --> 1:42:53.280 central migrations just kind of starting. And I was did 1:42:53.320 --> 1:42:56.000 a lot of walking and came across all sorts of 1:42:56.000 --> 1:42:59.920 little odd bodies of water this weekend and so fun 1:43:00.520 --> 1:43:05.160 like irrigation ditch sized chunk of water and six ring 1:43:05.240 --> 1:43:09.519 bells flying off of you. Nuts. When we play golf 1:43:09.560 --> 1:43:11.320 and we have a big tournament in Phoenix every year, 1:43:11.600 --> 1:43:14.400 and they've got this giant holding pond in the middle 1:43:14.479 --> 1:43:17.240 and it's just the thousands of ducks Widgeons. 1:43:17.360 --> 1:43:19.160 I mean, I thought you had so much discipline. You 1:43:19.200 --> 1:43:20.320 don't notice that kind of stuff. 1:43:21.000 --> 1:43:21.640 I notice it. 1:43:24.160 --> 1:43:26.479 You don't go now I got the clubhouse has to 1:43:26.520 --> 1:43:26.720 make that. 1:43:26.880 --> 1:43:28.920 Troy would be perfect because they all get up and 1:43:29.000 --> 1:43:31.040 leave every night too. It's like you got a late 1:43:31.120 --> 1:43:33.120 practice around or something, or you're finishing up late. They 1:43:33.160 --> 1:43:34.880 all just get up and go. That was always my 1:43:34.920 --> 1:43:37.320 favorite part of duck hunting. It's like like watching them 1:43:37.320 --> 1:43:38.800 all go to roost to the lift off. 1:43:39.000 --> 1:43:42.680 Yeah yeah, So, uh, tell people how to find you on? Uh, 1:43:43.160 --> 1:43:45.400 what's the best way to track your doings? 1:43:45.640 --> 1:43:49.160 I don't, I don't. You do have an Instagram? I 1:43:49.200 --> 1:43:51.160 have an Instagram. I don't care if people find a 1:43:51.200 --> 1:43:54.320 public or not public harm and Brian on Instagram? You 1:43:54.400 --> 1:43:58.559 want to see some Why do you not put? I haven't. 1:43:58.880 --> 1:44:01.479 Can you do that? Can you? You can't change it? 1:44:01.520 --> 1:44:04.640 We'll change it, yeah, but all we'll get this all 1:44:04.760 --> 1:44:07.240 fake out. Yeah, but it's great. 1:44:08.640 --> 1:44:11.639 And then what's the next big what's the next tournament? 1:44:11.680 --> 1:44:13.719 You're except that that's like people should be watching. 1:44:14.040 --> 1:44:16.400 Well, we got I got the R s M Classic 1:44:16.520 --> 1:44:18.720 in my hometown, Saint Simon's, And then I'm gonna go 1:44:18.760 --> 1:44:21.720 play Tiger's event in the Bahamas and then I'll make 1:44:21.760 --> 1:44:25.080 a spearfish after with him, maybe after. He's pretty good 1:44:25.120 --> 1:44:26.439 at it. Yeah, he's pretty good. 1:44:26.760 --> 1:44:27.640 Hat a little bit. 1:44:27.720 --> 1:44:30.120 I showed him some pictures, uh when he used to 1:44:30.160 --> 1:44:31.680 spearfish at bunch. He was like, do you do it 1:44:31.760 --> 1:44:34.680 with a tank? I was like, well, yeah, that time 1:44:34.680 --> 1:44:38.839 of day is well, doesn't count the Yeah, he's a purist. 1:44:40.040 --> 1:44:41.880 Well you will you plug? You plugged this showed him 1:44:41.880 --> 1:44:43.040 and say he should come out and. 1:44:43.040 --> 1:44:45.360 Talk probably watch it. I wouldn't be surprised he watched it. 1:44:45.600 --> 1:44:47.439 Will you asked me, if you'll come on and talk about. 1:44:47.200 --> 1:44:49.120 Spirit, that's gonna be hard to sell. I'll ask him. 1:44:49.120 --> 1:44:50.240 You don't like to do that kind of stuff. 1:44:51.200 --> 1:44:52.400 I don't know if you know this now, but Tiger 1:44:52.520 --> 1:44:53.400 was just pretty high de man. 1:44:53.600 --> 1:44:55.960 No, that's why that's why I'm leaning on you. 1:44:56.120 --> 1:44:57.080 That's why we're sending you. 1:44:58.680 --> 1:45:00.280 I don't want to overlean on a you. That's why 1:45:00.280 --> 1:45:01.280 you're supposed to bring it up. 1:45:01.360 --> 1:45:05.599 Okay, okay, and kind of wedget in there, like went 1:45:05.760 --> 1:45:07.000 nice nice nice pun there. 1:45:07.040 --> 1:45:09.960 Yeah, it looks like it looks like a great day 1:45:10.080 --> 1:45:14.160 for great days. Shoot, you might want to think about 1:45:14.200 --> 1:45:15.640 doing and then you know something like that. 1:45:16.360 --> 1:45:19.920 I think I love the spearfish, love trying to get 1:45:19.960 --> 1:45:23.600 better at it. But there's still like, in order to 1:45:23.640 --> 1:45:26.679 properly talk ship about somebody who spearfishes with a tank, 1:45:26.720 --> 1:45:28.439 you got to do it at least once, right, right. 1:45:28.520 --> 1:45:30.439 I would love to go down there and sit and 1:45:30.640 --> 1:45:33.800 just see, really see what what the difference, find out 1:45:33.920 --> 1:45:38.120 just how bad it is right the house, how siky 1:45:38.200 --> 1:45:40.200 I feel. It's kind of like the greatest thing about 1:45:40.280 --> 1:45:42.040 drinking black coffees that you get to make fun of 1:45:42.080 --> 1:45:47.720 people who put it in their coffee. It's like, yeah, 1:45:47.720 --> 1:45:49.400 I don't use a horse and cart to get around 1:45:49.400 --> 1:45:53.360 anymore either, but uh, the half and half budget on 1:45:53.560 --> 1:45:56.200 meat does not get messed with. 1:45:57.439 --> 1:45:59.360 All right, So you got those coming up. Look for 1:45:59.439 --> 1:46:01.440 the guy with the pink and white straight. 1:46:01.320 --> 1:46:04.240 Yeah, yeah, the one showing out, Look for the look. 1:46:04.120 --> 1:46:06.719 For the guy look for the guy in the drabbish attire. 1:46:07.479 --> 1:46:09.920 Now I just go to work, go to work and 1:46:10.120 --> 1:46:11.400 try to try to beat everybody. 1:46:12.200 --> 1:46:14.960 That's it, all right, man, Well, thanks for coming on, appreciate. 1:46:14.640 --> 1:46:16.439 You for having me. Sure I appreciate it now, Thank you, 1:46:17.240 --> 1:46:25.600 Thank you very much. Sweet ride on. 1:46:29.880 --> 1:46:40.880 A seal gray shine like silver in the sun. Right 1:46:43.400 --> 1:46:48.040 right alone, sweet. 1:46:48.960 --> 1:46:55.599 We done beat this damn course today taking a new right. 1:46:59.160 --> 1:47:04.800 We're done can beat this damn Prsiday. So take a 1:47:04.920 --> 1:47:07.000 new one and ride on 1:47:16.080 --> 1:47:16.120 H