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Speaker 1: very quick hunting story before we introduced anybody, because I

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Speaker 1: was gonna tell it anyway. So I'm sitting there with

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Speaker 1: my daughter on we had hunted the youth season. What

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Speaker 1: the hell I am gonna introduce Danny Boltons here because

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Speaker 1: his daughter was there too. We hunted the two day

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Speaker 1: the youth season, and then on the actual opening day

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Speaker 1: So I'm glass and glass and glass, and they're like

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Speaker 1: to get me, and I am mad and I'm yelling

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Speaker 1: at him, whisper yelling at him, like did you notice

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Speaker 1: And you guys are like, actually at prime time in

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Speaker 1: the morning, it's eight thirty am, and you're not just

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Speaker 2: Did you tell him they were lily dicking around something

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Speaker 2: like that? It sounds like so much fun.

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Speaker 1: It's Jimmy Dickon. I'm yelling and I'm yelling at the

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Speaker 1: also my buddy goes Jesus is a big buck. It's like,

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Speaker 1: coming up this draw one hundred yards away, he's kind

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Speaker 1: and if I had not been yelling at him, I

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Speaker 1: And we go of another rise and all sudden missing

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Speaker 1: explodes out of me from me to Danny, out of

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Speaker 1: the He was like laying under the sagebrush patch and

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Speaker 1: my son is quick to shoot in any situation. To

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Speaker 1: a fault, I said, get him, Jimmy, meaning like if

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Speaker 1: the opportunity were to present itself, do you.

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Speaker 2: Know, I mean like whatever you stop in your delivery there.

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Speaker 1: I was like, get him, Jimmy. And he started right

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Speaker 1: the next so it's like he like, yeah, nice bock

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Speaker 1: and dude. My daughter was up set because in her

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Speaker 2: How did you navigate that?

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Speaker 1: She still pissed, She's still I'm navigating that by planning more.

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Speaker 3: How did you initially determine who who's your shoots first?

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Speaker 1: Because I was I was toting my daughter's rifle. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we had all kinds junk. I'm like carrying the rifle. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know why. That's all. Danny's daughter got her

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Speaker 4: Yeah, she did great, like never shot anything of the

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Speaker 4: rifle before, and had her practicing, and I had a

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Speaker 2: That's a good realization. When you're taking kids out there,

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Speaker 4: So it was good though, because it gave me a time,

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Speaker 4: But then she was the thing. She hit it, and

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Speaker 4: I think I really liked yank the trigger, which I

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Speaker 4: which is good because you're like, hey, you know, take

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Speaker 2: But this is the time.

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Speaker 4: If this thing moves, you know you're not going to

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Speaker 2: Take your time relative to the amount of time.

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Speaker 1: We actually, yeah understand, but not really.

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Speaker 2: But she got it.

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Speaker 4: She's like, you know, I knew that thing was going

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Speaker 2: Calibers were running for these daughters. I got a seven

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to six or five creed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Can I give you a hot tip please? Okay,

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Speaker 1: then I'm to introduce you. If you keep winning these

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Speaker 1: golf tournaments and you got the money, I would get

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Speaker 1: a six five creed more, get the sig Cross. Okay,

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Speaker 1: it's just like a dream for kids. Perfect and get

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Speaker 2: I got cans. I got the cans. Just my is,

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Speaker 2: gotta suppress twenty two shoots it without her? Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: mean she's she's great, but she's itty bitty, and so

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Speaker 2: and oh yeah, I shaved the trigger down. It's super scary, right,

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Speaker 2: but everybody else had to deal with this exactly. Of

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Speaker 2: course it did. It's just like this fire baptism, you know,

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Speaker 2: on it, sig Cross.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's got a collapsible stock. It's got a two

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Speaker 1: stage trigger. First off, they're small, you can you can,

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Speaker 1: And it's got a two stage trigger, which just makes

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Speaker 1: sense to them. Yep, you're like pull through and it's

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Speaker 1: and man, they can drive tax perfect. Yeah, they can

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Speaker 1: drive tax those things. But with a suppressor. And then

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Speaker 1: it's got that arc rail deal on the bombs. You

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Speaker 1: can put like a hefty bipod on it. They can

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Speaker 1: just shoot. They laugh after they shoot it because they're expecting,

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Speaker 1: they're expecting it to be something that's not. But then

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Speaker 1: there's like no recoil and they like giggle, you know,

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Speaker 4: Tell me their tip to Steve about the ear plugs

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Speaker 4: and stuff.

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Speaker 1: Oh, even with the suppressor, I'll double ear plug them

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Speaker 1: because they conflate, They conflate, recoiling noise, and it just

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Speaker 1: becomes this package, do you know what I mean? The

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Speaker 1: gifts that they don't like. And they think it's the kick,

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Speaker 1: but it's like if you define them, you put foam

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Speaker 1: because there's just no noise. I mean, it's like they

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Speaker 1: to them, it's all this whole bundle of unpleasantness, right,

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Speaker 1: you know, and it really helps Brian. You're listening to Brian.

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Speaker 2: Harmon, happy to be here, Thanks for having me, Thanks

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Speaker 1: The only other golfer I would entertain having on this

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Speaker 1: show is Trump. Have you ever played golf that guy?

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Speaker 2: I have not really no Trump. No Trump, ye, really

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Speaker 2: professional golfer.

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Speaker 1: I thought he kind of ran in those circles.

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Speaker 2: He does, he does. He went full. So I don't

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Speaker 2: know if you followed the politics of golf.

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Speaker 1: And well, I know there's a lot of trouble right now.

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Speaker 2: Right so we had a big kind of split. You've

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Speaker 2: got the Live Tour and the PGA tour, and Donald

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Speaker 1: And that's that's the place that took some investment from

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Speaker 1: But the Saudis, and people are mad at the Saudis

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Speaker 1: because of the what was that guy's name, not progosion?

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Speaker 1: Mad at them for a whole host of reasons.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, it's very, very very convoluted kingdom and

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Speaker 2: all yep, yeah, no personal freedoms type type stuff.

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Speaker 1: And then comprising astonishing number of the nine to eleven hijackers.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot to it. Stage. I was going to say,

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Speaker 2: right age, because how old are you? Then you pick

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Speaker 2: your topic?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well no, I think he got back to

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Speaker 1: the nineteen twenties. No one would have been mad.

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Speaker 2: No, then it's just a fire flunk kingdom.

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Speaker 1: It's just like it was oil and then people mad

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Speaker 1: when the hell was that happened? It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: Talking about Yeah, yeah, only.

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Speaker 1: Golfer we'd ever have on what what count? Are you from?

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Speaker 2: What what county?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Don't they call you the something killer from something? The

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Speaker 2: I'm doing doing interviews after the rounds, and they asked

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Speaker 2: about hunting and.

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Speaker 1: Why did they ask you about hunting? So you tell

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Speaker 1: me about what that You won the British Open.

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Speaker 2: One won the Open Championship and you guys just.

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Speaker 1: Call it the Open.

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Speaker 2: Crint was telling When I was a kid, it was

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Speaker 2: the British Open. Now it's the Open. They just decided,

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Speaker 2: I guess because there's no competition. Yeah, it's open competition.

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Speaker 1: Like know what I'm saying. No, no, when I say open,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry if you say the Open.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I grew up. The Open was the US Open.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but.

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Speaker 2: They just they took it. They just took they do this.

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Speaker 2: They just they invented the game. We'll start there.

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Speaker 3: I've always hated painting and music for the same reason.

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Speaker 4: No, how much was that bar to out, dude?

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Speaker 2: More than more than more than two grand, less than

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Speaker 2: And here's the deal. There's no inviting other people into this.

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Speaker 1: No one's ever done three No, and three people have

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Speaker 2: Three people have done. It's just a freak for.

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Speaker 1: No, you like that. Let just pull that out, La.

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Speaker 7: You're in that mode of execution. Uh, do you allow

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Speaker 2: Try to say as even keel as possible. Any anytime

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Speaker 1: You're already far beyond Well, this is my theory. I

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Speaker 4: Yeah that's a thing.

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Speaker 4: You are adrenaline glands. Yeah, like they stopped putting. They're

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Speaker 1: Unlet's I see a big buckle with kids.

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Speaker 1: down at the E. N T Place and they start

437
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 1: asked me all these questions about sleep, appning, snoring, and

438
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 1: they measured my.

439
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Speaker 2: Neck you're down at the e MT place.

440
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,879
Speaker 1: Nt you no throat?

441
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,200
Speaker 2: Okay?

442
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, so.

443
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 2: They measured that y emergency.

444
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:40,160
Speaker 1: If you got a sixteen inch neck, that's a that's

445
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 1: how they'll tell, like, you got a sixteen inch neck,

446
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 1: you're probably a snore. Really wow, And dude, I never

447
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,639
Speaker 1: knew what I was looking at. I just knew I

448
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 1: could tell I was looking at the next.

449
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 8: Hmmm, is it only sixteen or sixteen in above?

450
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 1: Sixteen in above?

451
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:55,439
Speaker 2: I would think of skinny.

452
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 1: I had no idea about this more.

453
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 2: Uh it would be like less less, like a smaller straw.

454
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 1: But uh so you have a heavy duty load of Neanderthal. Yes,

455
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 1: I was reading this art this morning, like I've really

456
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 1: enjoyed over the years how they keep Nanothals keep getting

457
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 1: smarter and smarter. You know, there used to be this

458
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,640
Speaker 1: perception that, you know, that they couldn't hunt. They were

459
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,439
Speaker 1: just like they dragged their knuckles everywhere. But then but

460
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 1: as he's you know, they more like that they find

461
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 1: as some of these Neanderthal sites, like uh, shells that

462
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 1: have holes boared in them, suggesting that they would adorn

463
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 1: themselves with jewelry that they would etch, you know.

464
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,400
Speaker 2: Which means they had free time, which means they were

465
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 2: doing enough things right to have free time. This like

466
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 2: an onion, just keep peeling the l It's.

467
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 1: Just been kind of interesting to watch because, you know,

468
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,400
Speaker 1: we had this idea that like that the other other

469
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 1: hominids were just really dumb, you know, and then Homo

470
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:09,640
Speaker 1: sapiens just ran over them, and look how great we are.

471
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 1: But you get into the fact that, I mean, these

472
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,439
Speaker 1: these things were in These things were in Europe hundreds

473
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 1: of thousands of years, you know, I mean they were

474
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 1: in Europe longer than we've been in Europe. So, but

475
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 1: these guys in Germany have are looking at these uh

476
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 1: they found remains of cave lions that had been Uh

477
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: they were found remains of cave lions that they've deduced

478
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 1: from cut marks had been hunted. So mixing it up

479
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:48,360
Speaker 1: with cave lions projectile point wounds in the rib cages.

480
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 2: I thought you were gonna say they domesticated cave line.

481
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:57,360
Speaker 1: Next year we found an old bicycle.

482
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, we found cave lines with jewel. Yeah.

483
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 1: What else they have? It's cool is uh they have

484
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 1: this cave remnants of a cave lion hide that had

485
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: stuff wrapped, had cave lion bones wrapped up in a

486
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: cave lion hide, like, and they were you know, you

487
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 1: don't really who knows what was going on.

488
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 2: But then they found another hide that had red paint

489
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 2: all over it. So it's first animal rights.

490
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: Or these researchers, These researchers. It's always a little embarrassing.

491
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: I always feel embarrassed for the researchers when they lay

492
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: out what they have right, and you know, and that

493
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: winds up being it goes it's pure reviewed. You're like, well,

494
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 1: here's the hide of the lion, and here's what's in it,

495
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,679
Speaker 1: and here's the marks on it. It's very you know,

496
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: this is very objective analysis of what's laying there. But

497
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 1: then they always have to then they start doing media

498
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: and they have to get into where they're like, well

499
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: it could mean, it could mean. What's so funny is

500
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: one of the things I'm reading the New York Times

501
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 1: they about these discoveries is this guy's like, well maybe

502
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: it was and he was maybe it was a show

503
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: and tell item for when they had to explain to

504
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 1: kids about cave lions. Like you know, when you go

505
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: to like when you go to a museum and you're

506
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: a kid. They pull out like a tote and they

507
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 1: got like a chunk of buffalo wool, a horn.

508
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 3: Words to describe the way this hide.

509
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 1: He's like now and then they're like, grand buck, can

510
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 1: you get stuff about the cave line? He's like, here,

511
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: let me get my hide and I have my show

512
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: and tell items in there. But the other thing is

513
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 1: they just thought that even back then, they're suggesting that

514
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 1: they thought it was bad ass to have a cave

515
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 1: lion hide. You were tougher in hell hard to argue

516
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: with that. Yeah, you think that whatever you got there? Uh,

517
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: winning that British Open School ain't no cave line.

518
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 2: There's no cave line.

519
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: What did they what? What you know? The tradition of

520
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: the green jacket? What is there? What's the tradition at

521
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 1: the British Open.

522
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 2: That's a They give you a thing called a Claire Jug.

523
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 2: It's one hundred and fifty year old trophy. It's got

524
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 2: the names to edge to everyone that I've ever won it.

525
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 2: It's pretty neat.

526
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: And you get it for one year, get for a year.

527
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 1: Where's that right now?

528
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 2: The house and you drink out of it right.

529
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 8: Yeah.

530
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 2: They built it to supposed to hold an entire bottle

531
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 2: of line, but turns out it holds about two and

532
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 2: a half guinnesses. Now because didn't there was one part

533
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 2: of one of those articles that was, you know, trying

534
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 2: to be like this guy's could win the Claret jug

535
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 2: what will he fill it with based off of your

536
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 2: hunting back right, Yeah, the butcher, butcher, Hoylake, Yeah, baron

537
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 2: bourbon about the only things that's been in it. Really,

538
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 2: that's funny. That's a lot of bourbon. Yeah yeah, well

539
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 2: not not a bunch at a time, just enough to

540
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 2: make someone uncomfortable.

541
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: I guess.

542
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, smart move going.

543
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 1: Can We recently talked about if you were here, Yannie,

544
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: We talked about hunting squirrels with Kevin Murphy and getting

545
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: to a having a squirrel and a raccoon tree up

546
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 1: in the same tree.

547
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 8: Was not here for this conversation.

548
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: Did I ever tell you the story.

549
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 2: Is that the pinnacle of small game hunting.

550
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: He I thought that this had to been the thing

551
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: that has never happened in the history of the world,

552
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: and Kevin Murphy assured me he's seen it before, where

553
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: the dog bays up a squirrel and we get there

554
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: and eighteen inches apart is a squirrel and a raccoon

555
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: in the same tree. Coincidence, lots of ways to interpret it.

556
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: A guy sent in, a guy that was listening sent

557
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: in a picture he's got of a I mean, playing

558
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: his day. There's a black barren a mountain lion hanging

559
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: in the same ponderosa, treed up in the same tree,

560
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: which he thinks is even cooler than what I'm talking about.

561
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: Scales bigger, scales, bigger. Uh, I don't even want to

562
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: get into them. All I came up the old saying

563
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: I had. I'll talk about this later. I'm trying to

564
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: develop an old time he saying, and a lot of

565
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: feedback on that. But uh, another thing, Danny, I'm telling

566
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: you this because you're here. We're talking about Sigwatara. Brian.

567
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: Is the part of the show where we do like

568
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: listener feedback and whatnot.

569
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 2: Let's do it's hang tight, I'm there, bud By Hank tight.

570
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 2: It means you're welcome to participate in anytime.

571
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: So there is a guy, so this guy took Since

572
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: June we talked about this. There is a guy that

573
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: that has established a website where you can track Sigwatara

574
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: out by outbreaks and fish he has. He wrote a

575
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: little tool for report well, he wrote a tool for

576
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: reporting and finding sigwatara outbreaks around the world. So you

577
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: people to eat a lot of fish. Sigwa ara dot info.

578
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 3: Spelled how it sounds c I g u A t

579
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Speaker 3: e r as house.

580
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what the barracoota get in right.

581
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like the you know, the like the legend

582
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: is uh and and uh, the legend is and I

583
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: was taught this uh, even though I grew up nowhere

584
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: near the ocean.

585
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 2: You're you're an ell of a spear fisherman.

586
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: Now though, if you put a barracuda in an ant

587
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: like you put an ant on a barracuda, I won't

588
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: eat it. He won't eat it if it has sigwatara.

589
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: And some Bahamians tell me that that's ridiculous, But then

590
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: they had some other equally ridiculous sounding way to find

591
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: out if something has sigwatara. But they also have fish

592
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: that you just don't eat. But what I didn't realize

593
00:30:55,560 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: is in some places kudah have sigatary. In some places

594
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: they simply don't. And in Louisiana, you'll see in Louisiana Texas,

595
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: you'll see barracuda on the menu at the restaurant.

596
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 2: Well, so in the in the Gulf, all of the

597
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 2: people eat amberjack that come off the reefs, but East

598
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 2: coast Atlantic Ocean like won't touch them. Full of worms.

599
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 2: It looks like a mott petti clean them up. In

600
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 2: the Gulf, the trout have worms Atlantic nothing like we

601
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 2: eat trout non stop. Remember I put a picture up

602
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 2: of a whole bunch of trout sea trout and guy's like,

603
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 2: oh man, good luck with those worms. And I was like,

604
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 2: I have no idea what you're talking about. Parasite And

605
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 2: I do know, Like when we used to king macrofish,

606
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 2: if the sharks were bad, you'd have a king macre

607
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 2: coming to the boat. A lot of times taxman gets

608
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 2: half of him, you know. But if you ever had

609
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 2: a barracuda come in to the boat, they wouldn't touch him.

610
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: Sharks they didn't want it.

611
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 2: They didn't want it.

612
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of the barracuda right like the it's

613
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 4: the little fish they get the cigatara and then the

614
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 4: bear cood er eating those little fish and it just

615
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 4: sits a build up in their system. Yeah, And so

616
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 4: that's why the predators have it real bad.

617
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: I just I've heard that that it comes from this

618
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 2: reef fish. But then you think about the goliath grouper

619
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 2: and I don't know that they have it. And all

620
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 2: they do is, I mean they eat everything on the reef. Yeah,

621
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 2: Like down in the Keys now, we just go down

622
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 2: every for two weeks at the end of every summer,

623
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 2: we go lobstering, and there were very few glath grouper.

624
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 2: Now when my parents go down, they go down, they

625
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 2: say every time, every all these lobster holes that they've

626
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 2: they've saved over the years, there's a goliath grouper there

627
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 2: and there's nothing on the bottom the lobsters.

628
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: Oh he's in there mopping up all the lost.

629
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 2: Everything, everything's gone. Well, I mean they get to be

630
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 2: four or five hundred pounds. I mean they eat everything.

631
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 4: Can you eat? Can you catch those and eat those?

632
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: There's a you can get tags for them to right, yea,

633
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: I went. We're on a dive in the rigs this year.

634
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: We're in one that's only thirty feet of water. Like

635
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: a lot of times they're just you know, unbelievably deep.

636
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: This one's a thirty feet of water and I went

637
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: down and and he's down there. Oh, like it looked

638
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: like his head was like a five gallon bucket.

639
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 4: Good God.

640
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: And he's snapping his jaw at me. He's like coming

641
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,719
Speaker 1: out of this underneath this metal, blacking at me. And

642
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: my first thing is like I was like, I wonder

643
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: if you could kill this thing by hitting it in

644
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: the brain. And I was like, oh my god, that's

645
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: a goliath grooper. Like it's just like the first thought

646
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: was how you would ever manage how you would ever

647
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: manage like this?

648
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 2: Jonah wasn't swallowed by whale, He's swallowed by Oh.

649
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: And I came up and I'm like, there's a big

650
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: They're like, don't shoot that, do not because you could

651
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: have put I mean, they look like a school bus.

652
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: You could fit. You could definitely fit your head in

653
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: his mouth.

654
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 2: No doubt. Does it make sense to you that it's

655
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 2: an outbreak?

656
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 4: Well, I only know about secretary just from why. I

657
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 4: don't know like worldwide how because for and stuff. I

658
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 4: don't think they deal with it. And but I do

659
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 4: know that when we catch BRACU like offshore, the logic ones,

660
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 4: there's not as big of a concern versus the ones

661
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 4: that are eating the refish.

662
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that it is.

663
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 2: It's a bioaccumulation.

664
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think it's like I think it's cyclical

665
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: and it gets heightened. It's like the way red tide.

666
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: But I'll close it by saying this not clothed. I mean,

667
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: you say whatever really want. But from my perspective, I

668
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 1: used to think of trigonosis as like kind of magical,

669
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: and then I eventually got where I really understand trigonosis.

670
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:44,280
Speaker 1: Uh with Sigwtara, I'm astonished how in my social circle,

671
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: I'm astonished how little it's understood. Uh, Like I'd like

672
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: to have a Segretara expert on the show. For not

673
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 1: a long time.

674
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 4: I've definitely had it and not even really paid attention

675
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 4: to it, right like you just yeah, I've gotten sick.

676
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 4: But like only looking back on it, I just felt

677
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 4: odd and like the whole hot cold water thing, but

678
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 4: I just didn't pay much attention to I was just like, oh.

679
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: Whatever'll, that's what the Behamians are telling me. The hot

680
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: becomes hot, cold becomes cold.

681
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. My buddy Mark Heely has I think a lot

682
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 2: of bioaccumulation and so he's pretty sensitive to it.

683
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: Gets it.

684
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,760
Speaker 2: He can be like, if I eat this giant TRIVALI

685
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 2: I will get this. Yeah.

686
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 4: Some people want fish like the aluta wee caught. Yeah

687
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 4: you know, did you eat some of that?

688
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: Oh?

689
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, no problem.

690
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 4: And some people and certain fish will have it with

691
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 4: in higher concentration than others. And you know, I've had

692
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 4: friends get sick over just one fish, one filet that

693
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 4: night they had and they really Yeah.

694
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 2: But as the the group that we were fishing with,

695
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 2: the kill Kennies, they they're like, you can eat whatever

696
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 2: you want because you don't have the history of eating

697
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 2: these fish that accumulate secretera.

698
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like the mercury too.

699
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 1: Right now, why did you just do that little seque.

700
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 2: Because that's how it's spelled right.

701
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: No, No, I don't know. If it is, then the

702
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: website's wrong. It reminds me. I think I've told this

703
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 1: story before. I was in my doctor a long time ago.

704
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 2: Were they EMTs hangout?

705
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 4: Uh?

706
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, but it was a regular doctor. But he said,

707
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: and I always call it tonightas he said, And I said,

708
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: is that how you say that? And he goes, I

709
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: don't know, yeah, man, Krinn maybe a great seguitara expert

710
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: for like thirty minutes.

711
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 4: And maybe somebody who's had it real bad too in

712
00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:58,720
Speaker 4: the podcast.

713
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, or a survivor or a member of someone,

714
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 1: like like a really tragic story where someone didn't make it,

715
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: but then we have their next of kin, the hard

716
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: to get the.

717
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 2: One that didn't make it. I definitely like to that's

718
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 2: what guys all about.

719
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 3: We could get a medium talk to the mercury and

720
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 3: the big.

721
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 2: Game fish is. It's an odd.

722
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 4: I had a friend struggle with it for like three

723
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 4: four years and just sick and then eventually couldn't get

724
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 4: out of bed and like hurt the ache and all

725
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 4: his all his joints ached and didn't know what's wrong

726
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 4: with him. Mercury poisoning. Had to go on some crazy diet,

727
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 4: get all them stop eating fish. And he was eating

728
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 4: it like a couple of times a week, right, and

729
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 4: uh it was bad, Like he couldn't walk. He thought

730
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 4: he was dying.

731
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's got mercury poisoning. Are you say he

732
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: didn't but he did?

733
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 2: Do you believe that he did?

734
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 4: Now?

735
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: I do? Yeah, I believe that he got mercury. It

736
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: all adds up. He construct the couple months of his

737
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: life of eating big halibit and plagics five nights a week,

738
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: and that him and his wife developed the same symptomology

739
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: and had talked about it to other people before they

740
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: talked about it to each other. Yeah, I love just

741
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: too much. I love how they like the sore knuckle,

742
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: the sore hands, and stiff joints, and.

743
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 2: They were in just like a cycle of eating fish

744
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 2: where they always had some more and so they were

745
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 2: like constant. That was the most hilarious part to me.

746
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 2: It wasn't ever like we're gonna sit down and eat

747
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 2: fish tonight. It was just like this, well, there's some

748
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 2: halibit out, and then we had or whatever.

749
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: And so and so over and that's left over. And

750
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,240
Speaker 1: it's just like a cycle of a cycle of mercury intake.

751
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: And then I read one time a dude they didn't

752
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: even like fish. I had to get rescued off a

753
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: cruise ship because he bought a cruise ship package which

754
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 1: gave him all you could eat sushi, and they had

755
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: to fly him off the cruise ship for mercury poisoning. Crazy,

756
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: that's wild, because he was getting his money's worth.

757
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 2: Does it just accumulate in some fish or is it

758
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 2: all fish?

759
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:15,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, so like especially the bigger fish.

760
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 2: And they started finding it in Kobea Yeah, yeah, East Coast, which.

761
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: We all it's fish that eat fish, to eat fish

762
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 1: that eat fish.

763
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 4: And to now they'll say, like anything under twenty pounds,

764
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 4: like you're safer, especially for pregnant ladies and stuff. You're

765
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 4: not really supposed to eat fish. But like if it's

766
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 4: under twenty pounds, they say they're a little safer. Again,

767
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 4: I don't know how that's like could be an old

768
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 4: lives tale, but they say the bigger the fish, the

769
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 4: worse off you are.

770
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 2: Well, no, I think the reason it makes sense, right

771
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 2: is like they they grow super fast and then they

772
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 2: hit like a plateau point. So when you're you're income

773
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 2: to growth is in a certain range, right, that makes

774
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 2: sense like mahi mahi, right, like mahi don't Yeah, but.

775
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 4: Like at ahi stay at one hundred pounds to pounds

776
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 4: for a couple of years or whatever. Yeah, but that

777
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 4: first you could go from zero to sixty pounds in

778
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 4: one year. You know, Korean you can cancel that, expert,

779
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 4: just wrap that up.

780
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: So this is this is the last thing, and then

781
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about the formative years of of Brian Harmon.

782
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,959
Speaker 1: I like to I like to periodically revisit this because

783
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite quotes of all time. I

784
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 1: grew up so my dad, like my dad one hundred

785
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,959
Speaker 1: and fished, both fished with other World War two guys

786
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: and meaning I should not that they not that they

787
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: were necessarily World War Two guys guys of that age. Okay.

788
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: He was really good friends with this guy named Ron Spring.

789
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: Ron Spring had owned Springs Sporting Goods and was a

790
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: bait supplier, so he was in the live bait business.

791
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: He wigglers, crawlers, shiners, right. I one time went to

792
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: profile Ron Spring and he wouldn't let me. And I

793
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: grew up around him. I mean, I grew up with

794
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: this guy. He wouldn't let me profile him because he

795
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: was no way going to give away trade secrets about

796
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: how he catches leeches, how he catches wigglers, and carried

797
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: that shit to the grave.

798
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 2: That's beautiful in his eighties.

799
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 1: I was like, Ron, what's the difference now? Not going

800
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: to do it? Would not let me go out with

801
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: him catching bait for the bait story, which I respect

802
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: him for a big time. Anyhow, this dude had been

803
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:44,399
Speaker 1: raised on Great Lakes fish. I mean not just the bait,

804
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: but that's what he fished and ate fish. That's all

805
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: this dude eight And University of Michigan went and found

806
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 1: all these old timers that had grown up eating Great

807
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: Lakes fish. And he would have to go down there

808
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: every few months to do these tests and studies and shit,

809
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,760
Speaker 1: because they're trying to check on these elevated heavy metals

810
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: from people to consume diets of fish out of the

811
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: Great Lakes. And he'd go in there and they'd give

812
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: them a list of shit. They'd be like, Okay, Ron,

813
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: you need to go to the grocery store and buy

814
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: me pound of butter, two pounds of burger jar, peanut butter,

815
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: some asparagus, some bubblegum, some mouthwash, right, whatever the hell.

816
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: And they'd wait a minute and they'd be like, Okay,

817
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: what are you supposed to buy at the store. And

818
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: he said to me one day, he goes, Steve, I

819
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't have remembered that list if I never ate a

820
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: piece of fish my whole life.

821
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 2: So grubbing Georgia, yep, grubbing Savannah.

822
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: Just what came first?

823
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 2: Golfer hunting, hunting fishing. For sure. I played first. Oh, yeah,

824
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 2: for sure. Yeah. I didn't start golf until I was

825
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 2: probably eleven years old. I played baseball, football, basketball, played

826
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 2: all stuff. Didn't find golf until like a little later

827
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 2: in my childhood. But but fishing, grow up fishing with

828
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 2: my dad is how.

829
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: Was he a golfer?

830
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 2: No, no, no golf in my family. He might eat,

831
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 2: he might hate golf worse than you do.

832
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you get it? It's like you didn't come

833
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 1: from a family of golfers.

834
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 4: No.

835
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 2: No, my mom's a chemist, chemist, my dad is a dentist. No, no,

836
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 2: no golf. So when you started taking off in golfing,

837
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 2: was your dad like, great day to go fishing, Brian?

838
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 2: He just, uh, it was all that I cared about

839
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,919
Speaker 2: once I found it, And so I spent a good

840
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 2: portion of I mean, that's pretty much spent all my

841
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 2: time dedicated to trying to see how good I could

842
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 2: get as all I wanted to do.

843
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 1: Who got who? Some neighbor gives you a golf club

844
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:53,720
Speaker 1: or like what happens?

845
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 2: I had accumulated like just through sports. I had sort

846
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 2: of like loose equipment for things like my dad owned

847
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 2: like I had, I had small like clubs, just like

848
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 2: all like maybe maybe he because we lived really close

849
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 2: to a golf course, like maybe he'll like golf one day.

850
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 2: And like just like I've accumulated all this nonsense for

851
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 2: my kids, just like trying to throw whatever.

852
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: At him, Like, well, what got a hockey, baseball bat,

853
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: a golf club?

854
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 4: Right?

855
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 2: I got got all the got all the essentials. So

856
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 2: I I was home sick from school anyway, I'd skipped

857
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 2: a Thursday of school. When I was home, I forget

858
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 2: what the circumstances were, but I watched a golf terminal

859
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 2: on television, and I was close enough to where I

860
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 2: could ride my bike up to like where we could practice,

861
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 2: like hit balls. And that's how it started.

862
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: Really yep, it spoke to you watching a golf tournament.

863
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 2: I found. I found a conviction very early in my life,

864
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 2: and I'm very grateful for that. I mean, I love

865
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 2: to just right off the rip. I played baseball, and

866
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 2: I loved I pitched. I love to pitch, played shortstop.

867
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 2: But and I loved being on a team. But I

868
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 2: didn't I didn't like. I didn't like how I could

869
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 2: have a great game and not I mean, I hate

870
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 2: saying that, like not win the game like that. I

871
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 2: liked having the like the almost the vulnerability of the

872
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 2: moment on you right, yea, So.

873
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: Give me, give me the quick trajectory of how one

874
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: goes from an eleven year old who discovers it to

875
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 1: to pro like, like what are the you know?

876
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 2: Like, so I fell in love with the game. I

877
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,479
Speaker 2: was practicing every day. I was playing with some older

878
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 2: kids and playing from like tea boxes. So the golf

879
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 2: course I was playing was too long for my ability,

880
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 2: Like I wasn't big enough to hit the ball far

881
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 2: enough to compete with the kids I was starting to

882
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 2: play with. But I would get these golf magazines and

883
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 2: I'd look at the scores of these local, like nine

884
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 2: whole golf tournaments, and I'm looking at the distance that

885
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 2: they're playing from, and I'm like, oh, like, if I

886
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 2: moved up and played in these tournaments, I think I

887
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 2: would do. Okay, my mom signed me up for one.

888
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 2: She drives me down to say at Simon's where I live.

889
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: Now, you're talking about playing at a place where it's

890
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 1: not as far from where you first hit as it

891
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: is to the hole.

892
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 2: No, no, no, so yeah, I'm yeah, yeah, yeah, So

893
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 2: you start so you got individual holes, right, I mean

894
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 2: I do have to, like, you know how golf is, like.

895
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's the there's the part three what do

896
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: you call them? Where the two there's you got the two.

897
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 2: Balls, that's tea box.

898
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you got the ladies one.

899
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 2: Right, So you've got several sets of those tee markers. Right,

900
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,720
Speaker 2: so you've got like, I'm familiar with two sets ladies teas,

901
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 2: you know, senior tea's, men's tea's. Oh yeah, so it's okay,

902
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 2: all the whole gambit. So I'm playing from a couple

903
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 2: of tea boxes back with older kids, and I'm shooting

904
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 2: these scores and I'm no and I'm no good.

905
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: Because that extra little bit of yard, I can't.

906
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 2: I can't reach the holes, you know, in time to

907
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 2: make a good score. So I'm looking at the magazines

908
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 2: looking at the scores like I think I can do this,

909
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 2: So my mom drives me down. I win my first

910
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 2: tournament and it was like just gone. So that that went.

911
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 2: I was twelve. Did you feel like you were cheating

912
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 2: when you moved up to that? For sure? You were like,

913
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I did.

914
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: I did.

915
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 2: I was like, this is much easier from here. I

916
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 2: should have been doing this this whole time.

917
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: So you did, but you did this, say. I always

918
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 1: pictured that. It's such a common story in athletics, is

919
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 1: the overbearing especially parent like golf and tennis, trying to

920
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 1: like live there like they're you know, they're trying to

921
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 1: live their dreams the children.

922
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, you totally. I was super blessed, totally opposite, even

923
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 2: like now, even like now, you know, we'll be at

924
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 2: like a big PG or we'll be at the Masters,

925
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 2: right and my dad's there watching begrudgingly of course he's

926
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 2: like Brian rather to be fishing. Yeah's come. It's always

927
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 2: like man, look atlways acorns right here, like man, look

928
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 2: at like look at he's look at this track right,

929
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,959
Speaker 2: look at this deer track right here. So he's totally unengaged.

930
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 2: But I'm glad that he I'm glad that he like

931
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 2: wasn't like super pushy, because I don't know if I

932
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 2: would have found the same love and conviction for you

933
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 2: to have.

934
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,240
Speaker 3: That baggage with your relationship to the sport.

935
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know anyone. I mean there's one tour, now,

936
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 2: there's tons of there's guys that had overbearing parents and

937
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 2: guys who had not involved parents, but the ones who

938
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 2: had overbearing dads don't talk to them like most of

939
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 2: them have no Yeah, they have no. I mean how

940
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 2: how could it stay together?

941
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 1: Like it?

942
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,919
Speaker 2: Just like if a parent is so selfish to try

943
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 2: and achieve a dream through their kid and eventually the

944
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 2: kid is going to resent them in some form or fashion.

945
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 2: In my opinion, I've got I've sucks the joy right

946
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 2: out of it, right, Yeah, look.

947
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: At you know, like Darth Vader and Loose Skywalker.

948
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 2: Perfect exactly. But we just talked to Dave.

949
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:56,720
Speaker 1: Off, uh when you did that and one of the tournament.

950
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: Here's the part of the here's the other part of

951
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 1: the parent thing that's hard to understand is you got

952
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: to have someone driving you around and getting the gear

953
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: and all that.

954
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, my sweet mother she took me everything though she

955
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,959
Speaker 2: didn't care about it. I mean she cared, She cared

956
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 2: way more than my dad does. But she never it

957
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 2: was never she was always very supportive. She was never like, hey,

958
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 2: you know, it's you know, nine in the morning, like

959
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 2: you should be practicing. Like that never happened.

960
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: That did not happen. But if you pointed out that

961
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,399
Speaker 1: you wanted to go to some things. She was gonna

962
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: was there.

963
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 2: I don't. There's no way I would have made it

964
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 2: and been successful without that support. I would have had

965
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 2: have gotten really creative.

966
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: But you could have gotten into like you could have

967
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: been an aquarium enthusiasts. She would have driven you to

968
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: the store. Correct, just whatever. She was just going to

969
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: help you out.

970
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. She loved tennis, shouldn't play. She just

971
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 2: loved tennis. And I played tennis early and played a

972
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 2: few tournaments and stuff like that, and she really wanted

973
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 2: me to be a tennis player. But when I decided

974
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 2: that golf was what I wanted to do, and it's

975
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 2: just what and she she never brought it up.

976
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 1: And like golf tennis like kissing cousins.

977
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty close, pretty close individual so except one of

978
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 2: their arms gets freakishly bigger than the other. Gosh, and

979
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 2: the Dow's left arm is three times the size of

980
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,399
Speaker 2: his right arm. Whoa really yeah, look it up.

981
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: Seriously?

982
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 2: Yeah huge.

983
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: Hey do you have a U Do you have like

984
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: a really uh intimate relationship with a with a particular caddy?

985
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 2: Yeah?

986
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: Mine, that's what I mean. Yeah, that's the thing I

987
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:32,720
Speaker 1: did so so how many years?

988
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 2: How many years we've been together? Eleven years, probably the

989
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 2: longest tenured guys out there. It's a really interesting Yeah,

990
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 2: six hours a day together.

991
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: When I learned about that in golf, that surprised me

992
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: that this is this is like a it's a it

993
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: becomes a partnership.

994
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and those guys are they're really good at what

995
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 2: they do. I mean, my guy's got to know how

996
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,919
Speaker 2: to read me and knowing I'm running hot and running cold,

997
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 2: and you know, he's like not just being a caddy.

998
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 5: It's like a psychologist.

999
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, somebody did. Oh, he probably knows me better

1000
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 2: than my wife does. Yeah, you know, any and I

1001
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,240
Speaker 2: probably know him better than anybody.

1002
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: Else on the you know, it's just is he just

1003
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 1: on a cut of winning? Like, how do you guys

1004
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: sort that whole deal out?

1005
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 2: Yeah? He gets uh, he's on a salary every week

1006
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 2: and then he gets a percentage of all the en

1007
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 2: core stuff.

1008
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: Do you guys do monthly reviews? And like.

1009
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,919
Speaker 2: Just over a beer? Does he usually over a beer.

1010
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 2: It's tough because when you're in the when you're in

1011
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 2: the moment and you've got these emotions running high, it's

1012
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 2: really easy to be like, well, shut up, like, I

1013
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 2: don't care what you think right now. So it's usually

1014
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 2: better just get past it and have a beer and

1015
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 2: just talk about it.

1016
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 1: So is the caddie like, uh, did they want to

1017
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: be a professional golfer?

1018
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 2: A lot of them did, my mind did not. He

1019
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 2: played college golf, but it was apparent to him very

1020
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 2: quickly that it was in his future.

1021
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: So you when you're a caddy, you get you settle

1022
00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 1: into that, like that's that's what you want to be.

1023
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think there are any caddies. I don't

1024
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 2: think there's any professional caddies now on tour that have

1025
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 2: aspirations of playing.

1026
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 1: It's just just good at that.

1027
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 2: That's their job.

1028
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 1: Huh yep.

1029
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 2: It's a real profession. It's it's it's hard work.

1030
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: I'll tell you something about my personal business. Please do

1031
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: a book agent. Traditionally, a book agent is going to

1032
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: pull fifteen percent. Okay, okay, now you share.

1033
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 2: Well, first off, thank you for sharing some intimate details

1034
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 2: of oul books work. I got yeah, I mean I

1035
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 2: got agent, taddy. They all get percentages.

1036
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: That's some curious like, just now, I'm not asking about

1037
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: your relationship with your caddy. What's it like if you win,

1038
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: what do you guys call it a purse? Surprise?

1039
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, the tournament win, the trophy?

1040
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 1: No, no, what is the cash amount called the purse?

1041
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: What do you guys use Yeah?

1042
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 2: So yeah, just the I mean, the purse is usually

1043
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 2: considered the entire the entire thing we're playing for. So

1044
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 2: just be like the winner's cut, winter's check, winter's check.

1045
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 2: So you won't to know how much? How much does

1046
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 2: my caddy get? A caddy?

1047
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 1: What generally is a caddy OH industry standard or high

1048
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: school golf professional industry standard hunter spencer.

1049
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 2: Is AH industry standard six to eight percent of the

1050
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 2: weekly take and then ten percent of a win.

1051
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: So they're pretty invested in this.

1052
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, they make good money, they do good. They make

1053
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 2: good money.

1054
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: But that's funny too, because then it becomes real emotional.

1055
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: It's emotional for both of you guys, because when you're

1056
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: up there and you're close, he's he's licking his lips too, right, Well,

1057
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: what he's like, Hey, if my guy here can doesn't

1058
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,760
Speaker 1: screw this up, I get like a good chunk of cash.

1059
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 2: Well, there's two ways to look at that. Do you

1060
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 2: do all this for the money?

1061
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 4: Uh?

1062
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 1: No, But it makes it possible right right.

1063
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,720
Speaker 2: The money, it's like it becomes very complicated. The money.

1064
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 2: It's and I can speak for his name, Scott Toway.

1065
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:16,959
Speaker 2: He's one of the most fantastic people on this plane.

1066
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:21,839
Speaker 2: He's my caddie. The money is always like, oh oh wow,

1067
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 2: that that too. Oh you know what I mean. So

1068
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 2: he he works, he does what he loves to do it,

1069
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 2: and I love and I love to do what I do.

1070
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:34,320
Speaker 2: And it's about us trying to beat the golf course,

1071
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 2: beat all the other players, beat the conditions, and like

1072
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 2: that feeling that we get when we've done something successful,

1073
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 2: like that's why we we do it. That's why we

1074
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 2: do it together. That's why we met each other. Like

1075
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 2: that is why we do it. And so then like

1076
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,439
Speaker 2: the money's like oh cool man, like high five.

1077
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,399
Speaker 1: No, I could picture that. Like if you're up there

1078
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 1: and it's down to the wire, you're not like counting dollars,

1079
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: you're chasing the wind.

1080
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 2: Well that's and it's like so I think it's it's

1081
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 2: a great exercise. And I swear someone came up with

1082
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,879
Speaker 2: it to mess with people. But when you get done,

1083
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 2: so I'm going if you have to keep your keep

1084
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 2: someone else's score, Like this is sort of the pageantry

1085
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:12,399
Speaker 2: of the whole thing. You have to keep the other

1086
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 2: person's score, and then you trade scorecards and you sign

1087
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:17,800
Speaker 2: your own scorecards. So it's like a little bit of

1088
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 2: a I don't know, yeah, it's it's it's a little

1089
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 2: it's a little antiquated.

1090
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: But so you get into the presumably someone else is

1091
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:25,280
Speaker 1: also keeping score.

1092
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,280
Speaker 2: Right, right, So say you've got say there's two people playing,

1093
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 2: I keep their score, they keep my mind. Oh yeah,

1094
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 2: can you imagine, like Tom Brady, how many passes did

1095
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 2: you complete? Uh, but if you get the but if

1096
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 2: you get it wrong, if you sign the wrong scorecard,

1097
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,839
Speaker 2: and you can get disqualified, whole things could put whole

1098
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 2: thing's gone.

1099
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:44,800
Speaker 1: A tournament.

1100
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 2: At a tournament, I am still with pen and pencil

1101
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 2: or pencil and paper writing down right down some other

1102
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 2: score and then he I signed that one. So so

1103
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 2: every scorecard has to have all scores and two signatures

1104
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 2: for it to be legal and official.

1105
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: I would have thought at this point they would have

1106
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: hired like a guy to watch.

1107
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 2: I'm those people. Yeah, there also are are. Yeah, we

1108
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 2: could just be like hey, bro, like today like this

1109
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 2: and you're.

1110
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,879
Speaker 1: Doing it because he's telling you, or because you're counting.

1111
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:18,399
Speaker 2: Now, I'm counting, okay, yeah yeah, I mean they get

1112
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 2: it's like official, yeah, I know it's it's but anyway,

1113
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 2: so and so you go into this area where you

1114
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 2: trade your scorecard, sign turn it into the guy who

1115
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 2: checks him, and then that's that. But in that room

1116
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 2: they have the PGA tores this print out and it's

1117
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 2: like first place, this much, second place, this much, third place,

1118
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 2: and it's got.

1119
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,839
Speaker 1: It all the way down this much of the win.

1120
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 2: And it's always fun to watch guys get in there

1121
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,959
Speaker 2: and you know here, I'm I'm gonna finish twenty fifth

1122
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 2: and eight way time be right here. And I just

1123
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 2: especially when it's a young guy and I look at

1124
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,879
Speaker 2: that and I'm like, I ain't got it. He ain't

1125
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 2: got it, Like if that's what you're caring about right now,

1126
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 2: like if he finished twenty Like when I finished twenty fifth,

1127
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 2: like twenty four, people beat me, Like what's the best

1128
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 2: way to get up there? Because the biggest checks that

1129
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 2: that top one.

1130
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:04,879
Speaker 1: Yeah one.

1131
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 2: So he's you know, going down to x Y like

1132
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 2: oh okay, okay, I'm gonna be is he just trying to.

1133
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 7: Make enough money? So you can play next week. I

1134
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 7: mean maybe, but or there are there not anybody in

1135
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 7: on the professional tour that's that starting.

1136
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 2: There's nobody on the PGA Tour that's gonna lose money

1137
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 2: for a year now. But jumping back to the Caddy conversation,

1138
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 2: because of your guys bond and uh, your common goal

1139
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 2: of just getting better, you don't have to worry about

1140
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 2: like Scott throwing a little HG H in your iced

1141
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 2: tea or no, you know, like a thoroughbred race horse

1142
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,959
Speaker 2: that maybe just needs an extra extra jump on the line.

1143
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 2: I wish. Now we get uh, we get drug tested

1144
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 2: like every three weeks every month. Really oh yeah, World

1145
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 2: Anti Doping m wow.

1146
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 1: So what uh, first of are you thirty six?

1147
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 2: Okay, what's the old golfer thirty seven? Uh, there's guys

1148
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 2: in their forties that are still doing it, doing it

1149
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 2: really really well. Yeah, Matt Kocher, Jack Johnson, these guys

1150
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 2: that they are just kind of timeless. But I mean,

1151
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,439
Speaker 2: so there's a senior tour that starts at fifty. There's

1152
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 2: a lot of guys in limbo, you know, forty one

1153
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 2: to fifty years old.

1154
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 1: Oh, where you're dragging ass before you get.

1155
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 2: Well, you just you know, it's a it's a physical game.

1156
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 2: You hit the ground as hard as you can with

1157
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 2: a stick for thirty years. You know, shit wears out,

1158
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 2: what winds up.

1159
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: So what's the thing that goes is it? Is it

1160
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 1: driving distance?

1161
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 2: Yeah? And then I think it's the one too. You know,

1162
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 2: I've got three kids. We spend thirty some odd weeks

1163
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 2: on the road a year.

1164
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 4: I do.

1165
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 2: They probably travel with me. I don't know. It used

1166
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 2: to be sixty seventy percent of the time. Now it's

1167
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 2: twenty or thirty percent of the school and everything. Yeah,

1168
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 2: esus end up. You know, you're by yourself in a

1169
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 2: hotel room for thirty weeks a year, and at some

1170
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 2: point you get to an age and you're like, I

1171
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 2: don't want to do this anymore, Like this is Oh,

1172
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 2: it's like I'd just rather be run out of girl. Yeah,

1173
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 2: you run out of run out of heart. Run.

1174
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: I want to does your caddy hunt fish?

1175
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 8: Uh?

1176
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's coming with me A couple of times. He

1177
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 2: loves to his brother. His older brother is Bob Tway,

1178
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 2: famous golfer, and he just bought him a little place

1179
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 2: out in Colorado. So he's about the trailer his whole

1180
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 2: tractor and all his outfit up to Colorado. Try to

1181
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 2: help him out. What do you mean just doing ship

1182
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 2: cutting stuff down proving the land.

1183
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 1: Oh, so he's doing helped do some wildlife management landscape work.

1184
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: That's cool.

1185
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 2: So he loves the he loves the hunt. He fly

1186
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 2: fishes a little bit. He's been down to the Keys

1187
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 2: a few times fly fishing, but he uh mostly just

1188
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 2: hangs out with his boys and comes to work. Mm hmm.

1189
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 2: What uh? How do you rank your guys' uh performance

1190
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 2: in like the snappy dresser lineup and the clothing and

1191
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 2: golf is such a nuts deal. Now, I'm I'm a

1192
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 2: people is that could possibly get guy? I don't.

1193
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 1: I don't like to you don't wear pink pants.

1194
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 2: No, sir, no white belts, no pink pants. I don't

1195
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 2: dress up like an easter egg.

1196
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 1: What colors?

1197
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 2: The solid grays, white blacks?

1198
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 1: So what uh? You know you don't have to tell

1199
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 1: me this with you specifically, but just in a norm

1200
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: do you guys lift every day? Like, like, what's what's

1201
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: the expectation on physical training for what you guys do?

1202
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 4: Uh?

1203
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 2: At home? I train uh three days a week in

1204
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 2: the gym. I do another day of like, uh, like

1205
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 2: body reassessment. And then most of us have these pets

1206
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 2: that travel, and so we're getting constant work on the road.

1207
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 2: I'm only one day a week training, but when I'm

1208
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 2: on the road, I'm at the course probably six days

1209
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 2: a week. So you know, there's a difference between like

1210
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 2: being in like really good athletic shape and really good

1211
01:00:56,800 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 2: golf shape like golf shapes more flexibility and repetition, and

1212
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 2: you know, we do most most of my gym stuff

1213
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 2: is to try and increase distance, but most of all

1214
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 2: like decrease injury, like just trying to bulk up as

1215
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 2: much as I can to where I my body can

1216
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 2: take the impact because like me, think about it, you

1217
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 2: go chop wood all day, hands hurt, shoulders hurt, back hurts.

1218
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 2: Like that impact and that sudden deceleration, it just like

1219
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 2: it wears you out.

1220
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 1: What's the most common injury?

1221
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 2: Backs, backs, hands, wrists, elbows, shoulders, That's where it goes.

1222
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 1: And then uh, like how does your hunting fishing calendar,

1223
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 1: Like summer's out, Yeah, what's the hunting fishing calendar for?

1224
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 2: Well, you're just well, we just we switched the schedule

1225
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 2: around a little bit on the PGA Tours, where if

1226
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 2: you have a nice year, you can take most of

1227
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 2: the fall off.

1228
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 1: What's a nice you mean you want some money.

1229
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 2: You've want some money. You're finishing a certain echelone so

1230
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 2: that you can afford to take Because last eleven years,

1231
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 2: our seasons they've started in October and they've ended in

1232
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 2: mid September, and so it's a constant like what yeah,

1233
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 2: it's a constant year round like schedule. So like the

1234
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:18,479
Speaker 2: most time I would have had off any given period

1235
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 2: would have been like three weeks of no golf, no tournament,

1236
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 2: nothing like important that I felt like I had to

1237
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 2: play in. It's like the way that you keep your

1238
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 2: job on the PGA Tour is that it's a year

1239
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 2: long like points list, and if you finish inside the

1240
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 2: top one twenty five, you get your job for the

1241
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 2: next year. And so it's basically been like a constant

1242
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 2: revolving door the last eleven years. Like if you don't

1243
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 2: win a tournament, you win a tournament, you've got a

1244
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 2: two year exemption or whatever it is. But you're almost

1245
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 2: constantly under stress of like, oh, I have to go

1246
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 2: play at least a little in order to get ahead enough.

1247
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 1: So they'll play, right, But if you win a big

1248
01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:58,479
Speaker 1: tournament you get pulled out.

1249
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 2: Of that, you end up with different exemptions and different

1250
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 2: like access. It's all about your access to these tournaments.

1251
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 3: You don't have to chase it year round, right, So.

1252
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 1: If you win a tournament, you're thinking, well, I'm gonna

1253
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 1: go take some time off.

1254
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1255
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 1: Is that what you do that?

1256
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1257
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 1: I do.

1258
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 2: I haven't touched it. I've touched the club once since

1259
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 2: the Ryder Cup that was four weeks ago. What have

1260
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 2: you been doing farming unsuccessfully? Unsuccessfully?

1261
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 1: Tell me about your farm program?

1262
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 2: What do you what do you I bought a place

1263
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 2: last year, a big piece of hunting ground about an

1264
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 2: hour south of where I live, and it's just I've

1265
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 2: been just immersing myself and trying to manage it for

1266
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 2: the wildlife.

1267
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 1: And what kind of ground is it?

1268
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 2: Wet? Very very wet, a lot of upland a lot

1269
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 2: of upland ponds. You know, in Georgia we do the

1270
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 2: whole pine tree farm regeneration, you know, regenerating the land

1271
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. So I've got when you say pines,

1272
01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 2: what lob lolly pines like lob lolly slash? Very few

1273
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 2: long leaf anymore. But when they you know, they come

1274
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 2: and they clear cut and then they replant the pines

1275
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 2: and rows. So we've got probably half of it of

1276
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 2: my farms in that.

1277
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 1: And that's like a forty year cycle or something.

1278
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, thirty to forty years. Yeah, So lots of

1279
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 2: burning down, a lot of burning. But it's tough because

1280
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 2: I'm right on the ocean and at every tide the

1281
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 2: wind switches, so you've got the time to burn up

1282
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 2: for It's like, oh, we want a perfect west wind.

1283
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, but it's high tide in two hours

1284
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 2: and the winds switching.

1285
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1286
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 2: And there's all these ye neighbors everywhere, right, So I

1287
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 2: mean this.

1288
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 1: Is so this is embarrassing if this is a widely

1289
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 1: known thing. But the wind switches with the tide swing.

1290
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, because of the well, I mean, the the water

1291
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 2: that's in you know, the water waterfferent water temperature and

1292
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 2: the land temperature different. And it's not it's not like

1293
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 2: you'll have a twenty mins out and colder it'll flip it,

1294
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 2: you know, slack tide. You know, it'll change a little bit.

1295
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 2: So if you're planning on a west wind for a

1296
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 2: burn and all of a sudden you get an east one. Well,

1297
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 2: now you're running a head fire through something that you

1298
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 2: couldn't and you might be in some trouble.

1299
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 1: You're you're hunting land is on the coast.

1300
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 2: It's it's within Yeah, it's within half a quarter mile

1301
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 2: of like not open ocean, but like back river.

1302
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 1: Brackish oce shot it got it, so we do.

1303
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 2: I've got about twenty five acres worth of food plots

1304
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 2: that we tried.

1305
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 1: And what'd you try for that we do this?

1306
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 2: It's it's oats, wheat, rape, radishes. We tried to a

1307
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 2: lot of years. Will top seed it with these iron

1308
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 2: clay peas trying to stay away from like the rye

1309
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 2: grass that it's not native, and it'll seed out in

1310
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 2: just a nightmare.

1311
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 1: Oh, it spreads, It spreads like a radish. Don't no

1312
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 1: one now?

1313
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 2: Our turkey numbers are really good. We've tried to, like

1314
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 2: said burning and uh, but the water has been the

1315
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 2: big problem. We've too much of it, too much, too

1316
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 2: much water got beavers. Got so many beavers really.

1317
01:05:59,720 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 4: But.

1318
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're they're not the pretty ones. They're not. I'm

1319
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 2: not sure they're fur is worth worth much of anything?

1320
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 1: Is your is your dad. He likes his land. Heal

1321
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 1: probably loves it.

1322
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 2: He loves it. He retired last year, and he's he's

1323
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 2: my man. He's my land manager right down there. He's

1324
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 2: doing great.

1325
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 1: So what what's you guys, what's you guys goal with

1326
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 1: the place?

1327
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's where I struggle, because I've got, you know,

1328
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 2: some sorry. So for example, I've got I've got these

1329
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 2: trees that are ready to be cut, ready to be harvested.

1330
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 2: And you cut these trees down, and it's like, well, now,

1331
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 2: now what do I do?

1332
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 1: You know?

1333
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 2: Traditionally there you would replant it in rows, you know,

1334
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 2: with this mounded up with these pine trees, and in

1335
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 2: thirty years we'd cut it down again. And I just

1336
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 2: don't know if that's the way, Like, I don't, I

1337
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 2: don't know if that's. So I'm tempted to make it

1338
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 2: to try to restore, try to figure out what it

1339
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 2: was and maybe restore it that way.

1340
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 1: Can I help you with this?

1341
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 2: Of course you can't. Can I connect you with Robert

1342
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 2: Abernathy that'd be fantastic, Oh dude, we got yeah. I mean,

1343
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 2: if you just realize that trees didn't naturally grow like that,

1344
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 2: it could be no, the wildlife benefit.

1345
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 4: No.

1346
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 2: The reason I struggle with it is that so I

1347
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 2: bought this farm selfishly because I love to hunt and

1348
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 2: I love to I love everything that goes involved. I

1349
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 2: like it topped to bottom. I like the farm. I

1350
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:33,640
Speaker 2: like killing them, I like eating them, I like butcher

1351
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 2: I like all of it. But I don't know what

1352
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 2: my kids are going to be into. Yeah, it's like

1353
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 2: and part of that, it's like if I replant these

1354
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:44,520
Speaker 2: trees because it's a successful way to grow timber and

1355
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 2: to harvest it and it's sustainable.

1356
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:48,560
Speaker 1: So you're being torn. It's like, do you want to

1357
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 1: pull it out of commercial right?

1358
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 2: Don't want to stop, you know, taking any sort of

1359
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 2: income off the land because I care about the landscape,

1360
01:07:57,560 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 2: or you know, do I kick the can down.

1361
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 1: A little kids? You know? It was funny because we're

1362
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:05,919
Speaker 1: gonna return to this and I want CAL talk about

1363
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 1: this long Leaf deal. Robert Abernathew, who I'm friends with,

1364
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 1: he used to be he was the CEO or president

1365
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 1: however they run it of the long Leaf Alliance. He's

1366
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 1: retired Cal who's in there now. But I met people

1367
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:26,760
Speaker 1: with Robert down South Carolina who were showing us, and

1368
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:29,759
Speaker 1: there they were literally showing us like my parents planted

1369
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 1: this for us kids, because the turnaround.

1370
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:35,760
Speaker 2: Oh for a long leaf is no no, the la

1371
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:36,760
Speaker 2: blah yeah.

1372
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:43,000
Speaker 1: And for telephone poles and you plan it. And they

1373
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 1: were talking about that sixty years ago, whatever the hell

1374
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 1: it was, whenever the hell you get a phone pole.

1375
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 1: This woman, this elderly woman, remembered as a kid out

1376
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,720
Speaker 1: planting these things. Yeah, and it was sort of like

1377
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:57,600
Speaker 1: they were planning it for her to have money, you

1378
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:01,360
Speaker 1: know well, like, like I said, a very slow but

1379
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:02,680
Speaker 1: predictable turn you know well.

1380
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 2: And that's the thing is that I'd like to find

1381
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 2: out if there were actually because a long so like

1382
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 2: a live lolly pond tree and a slash pond tree,

1383
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:12,559
Speaker 2: they're mature twenty to thirty years old, and then at

1384
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 2: thirty they're almost I mean, I've got thirty year olds

1385
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:16,559
Speaker 2: that are telephone pole stuff right now.

1386
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, probably off on the U.

1387
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:18,720
Speaker 4: No no, no.

1388
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 2: But so for a long leaf, which is what are

1389
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:24,719
Speaker 2: traditionally our southern forests were consisted of, it's one hundred

1390
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:27,559
Speaker 2: years before it's a mature tree, like it's a very

1391
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 2: slow growing, so it's not grandkids that's not a sustainable well.

1392
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:34,679
Speaker 2: I mean you think about all the things we use,

1393
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:37,960
Speaker 2: pone trees for cardboard boxes, all the stuff that is

1394
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 2: just constantly going like it's not feasible to plant long

1395
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:45,600
Speaker 2: leaves if you have that tree farm. So, but it

1396
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:47,759
Speaker 2: was traditionally what was there.

1397
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you get that like uh.

1398
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:53,879
Speaker 2: Don't what they call it savannah, but yeah, so it'd.

1399
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:56,959
Speaker 1: Be very big trees and all that shaded grass underneath,

1400
01:09:57,320 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 1: and they used to have the quail and all that.

1401
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and our our turkeys we were way different.

1402
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 2: And I'm not so sure if our turkeys are if

1403
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:08,640
Speaker 2: it's a because because we've got a turkey problem. I

1404
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:10,920
Speaker 2: don't know what's I don't know what's causing it, but

1405
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 2: declining numbers. And I I thought the other day that maybe,

1406
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:19,719
Speaker 2: I mean, I've listened to a bunch of different stuff

1407
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 2: about it, but I think it might be our I'm

1408
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:24,560
Speaker 2: not sure if it's the actual type of tree like

1409
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 2: live lolly verse long leaf, because I don't think there's

1410
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 2: much nutrition for a turkey in a pine tree. But

1411
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:34,640
Speaker 2: I think our forestry practices, like we used to have

1412
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 2: to keep the lanes maintained and then you would burn

1413
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:40,000
Speaker 2: it so that we could access it, like so we

1414
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 2: could walk through it, and you end up with all

1415
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:45,679
Speaker 2: this great habitat for turkeys. Well, now these forestry machines,

1416
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 2: they'll go anywhere like like the terrain means nothing. And

1417
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 2: so we've stopped burning. We've stopped maintaining these lanes because

1418
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:54,680
Speaker 2: when it's time to cut, you just go in there.

1419
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 2: You cut it no matter what. And when you burn

1420
01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 2: these live lollies and slash you, you weaken, you know, slightly,

1421
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 2: but enough, and we get these pond beetles and that'll

1422
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 2: be that. And so a forester guys tell you don't

1423
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 2: burn anything, whereas all the turkey guys are like, oh,

1424
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 2: we want to burn everything.

1425
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:15,599
Speaker 1: But the guys that are just looking at it. For timber,

1426
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 1: well that's a no burning, no burning.

1427
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 2: Uh, you got to go. It's very close to you.

1428
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:27,400
Speaker 2: But tall timbers have you heard of that not? So

1429
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:31,480
Speaker 2: they work with but they're like a kind of fire ecology.

1430
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 2: They work with state federal tons of NGOs, so Quail

1431
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 2: Forever NWTF. They do a ton of work with tall

1432
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:43,960
Speaker 2: timbers and vice versa. But it is they have like

1433
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 2: a giant database probably like for the amount of precipitation,

1434
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:52,479
Speaker 2: you get your soil type, everything on what that, what

1435
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 2: your options would be for prescribed burning, and and what

1436
01:11:56,760 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 2: was historically there because a lot of what they do

1437
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:04,240
Speaker 2: is they'll take these old historic trees, whether they're like

1438
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 2: pulled out of a swamp, just an old stump that's

1439
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 2: sitting on somebody's land, and they'll go through there and

1440
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:19,679
Speaker 2: they'll find what, uh, the pre heavy European management style

1441
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 2: fire cycle was in those areas, and then they can

1442
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 2: look at the seed bank as well and be like, oh, yeah,

1443
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:30,559
Speaker 2: and here's all the all the plants that that we're

1444
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 2: here in kicking butt. It's interesting though, Damn economics of

1445
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:40,439
Speaker 2: the farm will always be in the way. Well that's

1446
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 2: that's sort of why. It's like I didn't buy the

1447
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:44,720
Speaker 2: farm to make money on it. I bought it to

1448
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 2: enjoy it, and like I feel a responsibility to to

1449
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:52,479
Speaker 2: to restore it back to the way that it was. Yeah,

1450
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 2: but you know, it's a long game that I won't

1451
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:59,720
Speaker 2: see it right, So which is which is cons It's

1452
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:02,320
Speaker 2: will be fine, And I'm fine, it's fine, guys.

1453
01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:03,000
Speaker 4: It is it is.

1454
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 2: But yeah, you want to have it set up to

1455
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 2: where your kids aren't going to like feel the pinch

1456
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:14,120
Speaker 2: right away. And but you know, like using cattle as

1457
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:18,680
Speaker 2: de foresters, oh man, and and doing cool stuff like that.

1458
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:23,640
Speaker 2: Could that supplement the timber, you know, relatively hands off

1459
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:25,880
Speaker 2: certainly what they used to do. There, there's these old

1460
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:29,160
Speaker 2: they call them these lift stations where they they drilled

1461
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 2: down into the Florida aquifer. And I had and one

1462
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:33,680
Speaker 2: was lencol So I have a well, got come out

1463
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:35,080
Speaker 2: and he fixed it, he goes, man, they probably did

1464
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:38,120
Speaker 2: this in the nineteen teens. And then we've got these

1465
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:41,280
Speaker 2: giant these water chestnut trees. They call them kwoaks. He's like,

1466
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:42,760
Speaker 2: I bet what they used to is that they probably

1467
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:46,280
Speaker 2: used to graze their cattle underneath all these big caloak trees,

1468
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:48,800
Speaker 2: and this is where they water them. So a couple

1469
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:50,040
Speaker 2: of different water stations.

1470
01:13:50,200 --> 01:14:01,760
Speaker 1: Interest, Now that I had a chance to think about this,

1471
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 1: here's what you ought to do. Put this whole thing

1472
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:08,880
Speaker 1: in some kind of conservation easement. That way your kids.

1473
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 1: If your kids turn out to be lunatics, none they're

1474
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:15,760
Speaker 1: gonna do about It'll be a little hamstring them. Get

1475
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 1: a forester in there and say, let's say I manage

1476
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 1: this for timber. What during my kids.

1477
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:24,639
Speaker 2: Hold your kids seven to five and one.

1478
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 1: Okay, so I got a seven five and one year old.

1479
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:29,519
Speaker 1: Let's say I manage this for timber. And I know

1480
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:32,200
Speaker 1: no one has a crystal ball to understand timber markets

1481
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:34,960
Speaker 1: and futures and all that, but let's just say, reasonably,

1482
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 1: what could they expect to pull off this timber harvest?

1483
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:42,720
Speaker 1: Take that dollar figure, go out and win that much

1484
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 1: playing golf. Put that into some kind of little fund

1485
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 1: for your kids. So now you don't got to worry

1486
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 1: about screwing them out of the timber money. There you go,

1487
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:55,759
Speaker 1: because you just left them the money.

1488
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:58,640
Speaker 2: Game plan the next eighties. Then just like that, you

1489
01:14:58,800 --> 01:14:59,599
Speaker 2: play for coffee.

1490
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:01,600
Speaker 1: Then you plant the whole thing, and Longley, this is

1491
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 1: why you came here, right right, everybody's away.

1492
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 2: The reason I came this is the reason that you're

1493
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 2: not going to get a meat eater mug because you're

1494
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:13,160
Speaker 2: getting all this like everybody else gets the mug, you

1495
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:16,160
Speaker 2: get a whole life plan. Yes, right, yeah, fantastic.

1496
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:21,720
Speaker 1: Uh. My good friend Doug Darren, he always won. His

1497
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 1: thing about land management is he's always talks about, you know,

1498
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:28,639
Speaker 1: there's what the farmer gets out of it. What's the hunter.

1499
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 1: Get out of it. He says, what's the land, get

1500
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:31,200
Speaker 1: out of it?

1501
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:35,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that because I just I want it.

1502
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:40,600
Speaker 2: When you look at that old like pine forest savannah,

1503
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:42,639
Speaker 2: look with the with the grass, it's just the most

1504
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:47,400
Speaker 2: beautiful landscape. And I mean, I wish I could snap

1505
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:50,720
Speaker 2: my fingers and make it happen. Yeah tomorrow, But I

1506
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:52,640
Speaker 2: just I feel like we're missing an opportunity. We end

1507
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 2: up with these super dense, thick pine forest that you

1508
01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 2: can't walk through. Provides eat cover for the deer, but

1509
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:04,839
Speaker 2: for our for our upland birds, turkeys, they're they're struggling.

1510
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:07,479
Speaker 2: How's your dad at trapping? Pretty good is he?

1511
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1512
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:12,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're my brother. My brother is the trapper. He's

1513
01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:15,760
Speaker 2: a he took over my dad's dentistry practice. But he's

1514
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 2: a very meticulous, very meticulous person, and trapping really really

1515
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:23,760
Speaker 2: kind of lead and lends himself into him being really good.

1516
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:25,559
Speaker 1: He gets after the mid size predators.

1517
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, the coyotes, he's hard on them, really hard on them.

1518
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:37,040
Speaker 2: Possums we could trap, We could trap raccoons. I have

1519
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 2: a healthy, healthy population of them for the upland birds. Yea,

1520
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 2: there that's what you needed. There. Their brutal and we've

1521
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 2: got hogs. Our hogs I think are almost as bad

1522
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 2: on our turkeys as anything else.

1523
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 1: Do you hunt the hogs? Yes, yeah, you like to

1524
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:49,920
Speaker 1: cook those up?

1525
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:52,960
Speaker 2: We do, We make make sausage. We don't. Uh, we

1526
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:55,439
Speaker 2: don't fool with all of them, but I mean you're

1527
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 2: kind of assess them. Yeah, I mean we we put

1528
01:16:58,040 --> 01:16:59,840
Speaker 2: up we put up some good numbers on the pigs.

1529
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:02,680
Speaker 2: And uh, there's a bunch of them. It's a it's

1530
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:07,800
Speaker 2: it's trapping them to the trapping them nighttime by any

1531
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 2: means necessary. It's a constant battle, kind of a shoot

1532
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:15,280
Speaker 2: on site if you're if you're if you're hunting there

1533
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:17,840
Speaker 2: and your deer hunt does not become a pig hunt,

1534
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:22,599
Speaker 2: then it's like like grounds for dis disinvitation. Nice. Yeah, yeah,

1535
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 2: so are you do you remember your card has been

1536
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:29,760
Speaker 2: pulled exactly? Like it's like man, POGs show up at

1537
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 2: whatever we're doing. It's a hog hunt.

1538
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:34,920
Speaker 1: Do you remember? And maybe I'm wrong about how Georgia

1539
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:41,280
Speaker 1: plays into this, but quail is just generally like way down.

1540
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:44,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, quail. The quail population in Georgia is almost non existent.

1541
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:48,760
Speaker 2: You've got some some central Georgia. Guys that have got

1542
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:52,640
Speaker 2: these giant tracts of land that they've managed for, you know,

1543
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:56,880
Speaker 2: released birds essentially, and they've ended up being able to

1544
01:17:56,960 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 2: cultivate some smaller populations. But I just don't think that

1545
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:04,680
Speaker 2: we possessed enough brooding habitat for it to be sustainable

1546
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 2: long term.

1547
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:07,519
Speaker 1: But do you remember are you old enough to remember

1548
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:08,599
Speaker 1: back to good quail hunt?

1549
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 2: I don't remember good So it was that long ago. Yeah,

1550
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 2: I don't remember it, and I still haven't heard of anyone.

1551
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:18,840
Speaker 2: You know, in Texas they've still got some the decent

1552
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:22,000
Speaker 2: wild quail, but in Georgia it's got to be several

1553
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:23,519
Speaker 2: couple generations at least.

1554
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:26,679
Speaker 1: So when you're doing your when you're working on your land,

1555
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:29,880
Speaker 1: that's not a that's not that's just kind of a fool's.

1556
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:33,799
Speaker 2: Errand if it comes to fruition, it'll be a result

1557
01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:35,920
Speaker 2: of us trying to manage it for turkeys, because it's

1558
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:39,320
Speaker 2: a lot of the same sort of activities. But I

1559
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:44,080
Speaker 2: can't imagine with our coyotes and our birds of prey

1560
01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:46,960
Speaker 2: that that a quail has got much of a chance.

1561
01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:49,800
Speaker 2: I don't know how they ever existed in Georgia in

1562
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:53,080
Speaker 2: the first place, like there's so many birds of prey

1563
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:56,439
Speaker 2: that I mean, a quail is just not very good

1564
01:18:56,520 --> 01:19:04,840
Speaker 2: at staying alive. They're very poor. It's habitat because yeah,

1565
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:09,519
Speaker 2: that change in the habitat regime, right, the I know,

1566
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:12,360
Speaker 2: uh Georgia, it's d n R Georgia DNR.

1567
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:12,680
Speaker 4: Right.

1568
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:16,040
Speaker 2: They have some really cool programs on on some of

1569
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:20,080
Speaker 2: the state w m as where they have sustainable wild

1570
01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:23,559
Speaker 2: quail populations. It'd be like drawing a big game hunt

1571
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:26,920
Speaker 2: where like you put in for a draw to go hunt,

1572
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 2: to go hunt it. Yeah really yeah, and then if

1573
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 2: you get drawn, you get you can bring people with you,

1574
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:36,759
Speaker 2: but you're still held to like the one person limit

1575
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:39,160
Speaker 2: of quail. Yeah.

1576
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:43,479
Speaker 1: I don't apply for this. I don't even care for

1577
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:45,680
Speaker 1: I want to apply just here there's something to apply for.

1578
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:49,559
Speaker 2: There are these like test cases there, and then there's

1579
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:53,200
Speaker 2: a bunch of private places as well. But there's these

1580
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 2: uh you know, state managed places too where they're like

1581
01:19:57,120 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 2: this is what you need to have these populations and

1582
01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:05,640
Speaker 2: that's that's why they exist. But yeah, it's there's it

1583
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:09,400
Speaker 2: all always comes down to habitat. Yeah, I border, I

1584
01:20:09,439 --> 01:20:11,920
Speaker 2: have a wm A neighbors to my north and South

1585
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:14,360
Speaker 2: and our Georgia D and R. They they need they

1586
01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:16,880
Speaker 2: need more funding and more help. It's just that's where

1587
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:21,000
Speaker 2: coming overwhelming. It's like they have an overwhelming piece of

1588
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 2: ground and they don't have enough manpower to keep it.

1589
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:27,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's the has on that ground. Well.

1590
01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:29,799
Speaker 2: So so you know, in Georgia, we've got these great initiative,

1591
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:32,360
Speaker 2: got the long Leaf Initiative where they'll basically come in

1592
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:34,120
Speaker 2: and plant the trees for you, and they did that

1593
01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 2: all over this wm A. But the seed bank of

1594
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:39,559
Speaker 2: slash and live loolly is so heavy because that had

1595
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 2: been timbered before that. It just shoots up and it's like,

1596
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:47,880
Speaker 2: well that's that, you know, and then you can It's

1597
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:50,400
Speaker 2: like they try to do too much at once. It's like, okay,

1598
01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:52,240
Speaker 2: we're going to take you know, a thousand acres and

1599
01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 2: put them in long leaf. It's like, well, the burning

1600
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:57,240
Speaker 2: conditions aren't good enough down here, because like even when

1601
01:20:57,680 --> 01:21:00,040
Speaker 2: a long leaf is itty bitty you said it, I

1602
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 2: mean they need fire to force them like into tree form.

1603
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 2: And so you can burn all that stuff. But if

1604
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:07,479
Speaker 2: you're not burning it every single year, you know, a

1605
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:11,040
Speaker 2: liveblolly or a slash pine tree will outgrow a long

1606
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:12,479
Speaker 2: leaf ten to one.

1607
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:14,320
Speaker 1: So they put them in the ground. Then they don't

1608
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:16,360
Speaker 1: have the they don't have the funding and manpower to

1609
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:17,559
Speaker 1: expept for the weather.

1610
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:19,920
Speaker 2: You know, if you don't get the if the weather's

1611
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:21,679
Speaker 2: not right and you don't get it, I mean there's

1612
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:23,639
Speaker 2: years to where there are places that you just won't

1613
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:26,400
Speaker 2: be able to burn because it's too wet, the weather's

1614
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:29,519
Speaker 2: not right, don't get a good day whatever. And if

1615
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:31,680
Speaker 2: you don't do that, a live lolly is going to

1616
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 2: be three times the size as a one year old then,

1617
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:37,800
Speaker 2: and a long leaf will be as a three or

1618
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 2: four year old. You see what I'm saying. So if

1619
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 2: they ever don't burn it, then it's pretty much that's that.

1620
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 1: What's what's your kids? Inter? I mean, I know someone

1621
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:48,880
Speaker 1: that you're young to really have much, But what's your

1622
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:49,519
Speaker 1: kids interesting?

1623
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 2: I've taken so I have a daughter, two sons, my

1624
01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:54,800
Speaker 2: daughter seven sons five. I've taken them down to the farm.

1625
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:57,800
Speaker 2: They love it right around, they shoot that little twenty two.

1626
01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:01,400
Speaker 2: I'm just easing them into I'm easing them into everything.

1627
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:03,880
Speaker 2: As much as I loved fishing with my dad and

1628
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:05,559
Speaker 2: hunting with my dad, I mean there were days where

1629
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 2: we're fishing and it's pouring down rain and we're still

1630
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 2: out there and it's like, Dad, I'm not having fun.

1631
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:14,599
Speaker 2: This is not fun. And it's like it almost took

1632
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 2: a period, Like it almost took a little while. I

1633
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:21,120
Speaker 2: almost had to like rEFInd it as a young adult.

1634
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:23,720
Speaker 2: That makes sense. Yeah, it's almost like we ye a

1635
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 2: little burned out, a little burned out. But I wouldn't

1636
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:29,519
Speaker 2: trade that experience for any you know what I mean,

1637
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 2: Like it's hard to it's hard to like, oh, I

1638
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:33,800
Speaker 2: wish my dad hadn't have taken me that day, Like,

1639
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:36,519
Speaker 2: of course not. But I'm just trying to ease my

1640
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:38,519
Speaker 2: kids into it because I want them to like it,

1641
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:40,800
Speaker 2: you know, I want them to really like it. I

1642
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:43,920
Speaker 2: want them to want to go because you're having to

1643
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:46,679
Speaker 2: drag them down there. It's just not it's not fun.

1644
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:49,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. Can I ask you more financial questions about it?

1645
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 1: If you so? Throughout the uter is a huge job,

1646
01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:04,040
Speaker 1: massive variability. What you could earn playing throughout the year

1647
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 1: A good years, bad years?

1648
01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:06,599
Speaker 2: Yep.

1649
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:12,800
Speaker 1: Uh, what do guys do? You know? You have an

1650
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:16,479
Speaker 1: expectation to you whatever you figure out your what your

1651
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:20,400
Speaker 1: house costs, family, everything, and you have an expectation that

1652
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:24,320
Speaker 1: you need to turn that there's some dollar figure that

1653
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:28,439
Speaker 1: you have to hit and everything else is gravy. But

1654
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:30,800
Speaker 1: what are these guys doing that go through that thing

1655
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:31,800
Speaker 1: and then they don't hit it?

1656
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:33,320
Speaker 2: There's a lot of stress.

1657
01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:36,000
Speaker 1: I mean, do you then spin out and have to

1658
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 1: go get a job and then that job pulls you

1659
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:39,599
Speaker 1: out of trying again the next.

1660
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:42,160
Speaker 2: Year's happened a lot. There's there's a lot of guys

1661
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:46,519
Speaker 2: that I just I've always operated the work. I don't

1662
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:48,960
Speaker 2: purchase things until until I feel like I did. I

1663
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:52,080
Speaker 2: wouldn't have to finance them, like I just like I've

1664
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:55,080
Speaker 2: got things that I want and those things haven't changed

1665
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 2: in size. Like I always wanted a farm, and like

1666
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:00,559
Speaker 2: just because I was successful doesn't mean that the acres

1667
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 2: of that farm tripled. Right, So I've just never let

1668
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:07,240
Speaker 2: myself get into trouble in that sense. But it's happened

1669
01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:11,480
Speaker 2: a lot, m like like as I've gotten more successful,

1670
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:14,599
Speaker 2: like my house size doesn't need to get any bigger.

1671
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:16,920
Speaker 2: Like I've got a twenty four foot boat that I

1672
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:19,400
Speaker 2: bought several years ago, and like it's the biggest boat

1673
01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:21,360
Speaker 2: that I can own because it's the biggest one that

1674
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:23,679
Speaker 2: I can take care of. If I had a bigger boat,

1675
01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:26,400
Speaker 2: it would be a complete pain in the ass and

1676
01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:28,640
Speaker 2: I'd have to almost pay someone to like take care

1677
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:30,320
Speaker 2: of the boat for me. And I don't want to

1678
01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:31,479
Speaker 2: have to do stuff like that.

1679
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:34,960
Speaker 1: So do you always have to live where? Do you

1680
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:36,760
Speaker 1: always have to live where you can where you have

1681
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:38,960
Speaker 1: to anticipate that you might just have a shitty year?

1682
01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:41,360
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean that's that's real.

1683
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:45,479
Speaker 8: There's no base salary with your company, your card, Nope.

1684
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 2: Zero.

1685
01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:50,280
Speaker 1: How many Americans make a living on like, not in

1686
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:52,960
Speaker 1: the golf industry, but how many Americans make a living

1687
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 1: playing golf? Probably not like you know, golf pros and coaches.

1688
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:02,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, touring touring pros that make a make it. I

1689
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:06,080
Speaker 2: mean it depends on what probably one hundred and fifty.

1690
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:11,040
Speaker 1: And then auto all. How much out of your annual

1691
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:12,760
Speaker 1: do you do? You do all kinds? You probably do

1692
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:15,800
Speaker 1: endorsement deals and sponsorships and all that. Yeah, is that

1693
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 1: is that more important than the than the No, the wind,

1694
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:21,519
Speaker 1: The winning money is more important.

1695
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:23,880
Speaker 2: It's about as pure of a meritocracy as you get,

1696
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:25,280
Speaker 2: is that right?

1697
01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:25,639
Speaker 1: Yep?

1698
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:28,280
Speaker 2: So make more money on the course than you do

1699
01:25:28,360 --> 01:25:31,360
Speaker 2: off the course for the most part. But the better

1700
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:33,120
Speaker 2: that you do on the course leads the more off

1701
01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 2: the course stuff. So it's all about like how.

1702
01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:36,000
Speaker 1: You perform m.

1703
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:38,920
Speaker 2: But you should you should love that?

1704
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 3: Why do you Why do you hate it so much?

1705
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 1: Because I was telling its hard, not good at it.

1706
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:47,200
Speaker 2: I'm not good at fly fishing.

1707
01:25:47,240 --> 01:25:48,840
Speaker 1: But I want to hit one of that. I want

1708
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:51,360
Speaker 1: to I want to hit one of the ones that

1709
01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 1: has that slow You want to get that slow curve.

1710
01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:57,559
Speaker 2: To draw or fade. Learning about draws and faith.

1711
01:25:57,720 --> 01:25:59,920
Speaker 3: Wow, and you can lean back and whistle as it goes.

1712
01:26:00,439 --> 01:26:06,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I met Brian Gombel one time and

1713
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:08,920
Speaker 1: uh he killed a seagull with a golf ball.

1714
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:14,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it happens, almost killed a person. Yeah, we're playing

1715
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:18,400
Speaker 2: up in the playoff event. Ridgewood Country Club's got this

1716
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:20,320
Speaker 2: drive a par four, So it's part four. I'm hitting

1717
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:24,280
Speaker 2: driver and I just I slice it over to the

1718
01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:26,519
Speaker 2: left and the guy's looking up, one of the guys,

1719
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:29,559
Speaker 2: and the guy looking up hits him right and right

1720
01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:32,040
Speaker 2: on the side of the mouth, splits him all the

1721
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:36,240
Speaker 2: way almost up to his temple, and so I walk up. No,

1722
01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:38,280
Speaker 2: it didn't blow his teeth. Out, just just split him

1723
01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:40,519
Speaker 2: wide open somehow. So I walk up there and the

1724
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:41,519
Speaker 2: first thing I see.

1725
01:26:41,439 --> 01:26:41,960
Speaker 1: Is the blood.

1726
01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:44,880
Speaker 2: Sure, there's this puddle of blood. And the first thing

1727
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:51,640
Speaker 2: I think of, like, that's dead deer. This guy, this

1728
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:54,840
Speaker 2: guy is such a great story. But yeah, that stuff

1729
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:56,880
Speaker 2: happens a lot. People get hit by golf balls, and

1730
01:26:56,960 --> 01:26:59,680
Speaker 2: it is it's a dangerous I would never go. I

1731
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:02,120
Speaker 2: would never take my kids go watch a golf tournament.

1732
01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:04,040
Speaker 1: I mean because it's getting paid.

1733
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:06,040
Speaker 2: Oh man, guys get hit all the time. Your caddy

1734
01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:08,799
Speaker 2: reaches into his bag and pulls out the latex gloves

1735
01:27:08,840 --> 01:27:11,000
Speaker 2: and stitch him up.

1736
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:14,880
Speaker 1: Do you ever do you ever strike relationships where you

1737
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:17,559
Speaker 1: get to where you get the fish on uh? Fish

1738
01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:18,559
Speaker 1: and hunting on golf course?

1739
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:19,080
Speaker 7: Man?

1740
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:21,479
Speaker 2: As much as much as you could leverage the ship

1741
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:24,320
Speaker 2: out there, yeah I could. But I have to like

1742
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:26,800
Speaker 2: compartmentalize it because if all I thought about was hunting

1743
01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:29,360
Speaker 2: and fishing when I'm working, then I would be horrible

1744
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:31,560
Speaker 2: at what I do. So, like when I'm on the

1745
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:34,160
Speaker 2: road and I've I've gotten invited to go do some

1746
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:36,280
Speaker 2: cool stuff, like oh man, you gotta go fish here,

1747
01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:38,200
Speaker 2: you gotta do this, And I'm like I'm here, I

1748
01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:41,080
Speaker 2: gotta work, and it's yeah, it sucks, but.

1749
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:44,400
Speaker 1: You don't like run out for an evening, you know, evening.

1750
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:46,760
Speaker 2: We go like when we play in Honolu. We go

1751
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:50,439
Speaker 2: to Honolu every year and there's this huge flat right

1752
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:53,040
Speaker 2: behind where we stay and there's guys that are out

1753
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:55,439
Speaker 2: there and they catch these giant bonefish and you just

1754
01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:58,479
Speaker 2: watch him out there all day long walking around like damn,

1755
01:27:58,479 --> 01:28:05,400
Speaker 2: it looks fun. Like no, because I would waste I

1756
01:28:05,439 --> 01:28:07,920
Speaker 2: would either waste time. I would either waste time where

1757
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:11,040
Speaker 2: I should be in the gym, resting or working practicing

1758
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:15,639
Speaker 2: at that time is budgeted, Like I get there, there's

1759
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:17,920
Speaker 2: a plan, there's things that I have to do. And

1760
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:20,280
Speaker 2: if I made the choice to go out and go fish,

1761
01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:23,559
Speaker 2: as much as I would love to like that, Yeah,

1762
01:28:23,640 --> 01:28:27,719
Speaker 2: so you're and you see that giant eight pound small

1763
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:30,720
Speaker 2: mouth come out. Yeah, I've got giants right, and you're

1764
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 2: just that's just compartmentalized. That's just white noise off on

1765
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:36,160
Speaker 2: the side. I mean, we will mess with the alligators.

1766
01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:38,000
Speaker 3: Does your dad have Does your dad have like a

1767
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:40,400
Speaker 3: travel ride that he brings along tournaments?

1768
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:42,839
Speaker 2: And I have to beg him to come to golf tournaments.

1769
01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:47,439
Speaker 2: It's usually just drinking a Budweiser and waiting for it

1770
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:47,960
Speaker 2: to be over.

1771
01:28:49,439 --> 01:28:50,400
Speaker 8: He does all.

1772
01:28:51,439 --> 01:28:53,519
Speaker 2: No, not at all, not at all.

1773
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:57,200
Speaker 1: That's pretty surprising that you have to be. I guess

1774
01:28:57,479 --> 01:28:59,880
Speaker 1: guys like just the discipline man, right, Like.

1775
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:03,960
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean I feel like your success as a

1776
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:06,000
Speaker 2: result of all the little bit of choices that you make,

1777
01:29:06,280 --> 01:29:08,360
Speaker 2: and I just try to make the right ones.

1778
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:10,840
Speaker 1: What's your diet, Like, it's pretty good.

1779
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:13,439
Speaker 2: A lot of meat, a lot of vegetables, trying not

1780
01:29:13,479 --> 01:29:17,559
Speaker 2: to eat a bunch of stuff. But I have trouble. Well,

1781
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:21,479
Speaker 2: I got high cholesterol, so trying to avoid as much

1782
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:24,280
Speaker 2: red meat as I was eating. But that's that's been

1783
01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:26,599
Speaker 2: a tough one. That's been a real tough one. Well,

1784
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:31,760
Speaker 2: not to be biased against where you're from, but how

1785
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:33,040
Speaker 2: are you cooking the red meat?

1786
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:35,679
Speaker 1: Are you sure it's the meat?

1787
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:42,200
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, cast iron. Most of the time. I try

1788
01:29:42,240 --> 01:29:45,760
Speaker 2: to switch over to the olive oil from butter, but

1789
01:29:46,439 --> 01:29:50,120
Speaker 2: that hasn't been there as fun. Yeah No, I mean

1790
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:52,760
Speaker 2: just like medium, rare salt pepper throat on the real,

1791
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:55,280
Speaker 2: nice and easy. Yeah. No, I do only hardly any

1792
01:29:55,320 --> 01:29:59,680
Speaker 2: fried food. Yeah, I try to stay away from a

1793
01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:02,080
Speaker 2: bunch of ug Yeah. I just try to do the

1794
01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:05,400
Speaker 2: best I can get. Still, high cholesterol, hunt run your

1795
01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:08,519
Speaker 2: family said, my dad's got it. Yeah, good blood pressure,

1796
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:12,360
Speaker 2: you know, blood pressure of a swimmer, But cholesterol's a nightmare.

1797
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:14,000
Speaker 1: We've gone through your diet.

1798
01:30:14,200 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've gone through your finances, relationships, relationship.

1799
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:22,840
Speaker 2: Happily, happily married, three kids, been married, coming up on

1800
01:30:23,080 --> 01:30:23,599
Speaker 2: nine years.

1801
01:30:24,760 --> 01:30:25,200
Speaker 1: That's cool.

1802
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:28,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, nine years in December.

1803
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:29,519
Speaker 1: And is she golf?

1804
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:30,000
Speaker 4: No?

1805
01:30:31,120 --> 01:30:31,760
Speaker 1: She liked the hunt?

1806
01:30:31,960 --> 01:30:37,000
Speaker 2: No, sure doesn't you kids like the golf not. Yeah,

1807
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:40,880
Speaker 2: they've got the like got little bitty clubs, just the

1808
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:43,720
Speaker 2: odds and ends. My five year old he started going

1809
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:45,680
Speaker 2: to the golf course a little bit, but he don't care.

1810
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:47,160
Speaker 2: He just likes it because he gets candy with you

1811
01:30:47,320 --> 01:30:48,000
Speaker 2: when he goes home.

1812
01:30:48,439 --> 01:30:51,160
Speaker 8: Oh, they're not they're not training like four hours a day, No, sir.

1813
01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:55,320
Speaker 1: What's your what's your go to? Uh? What you go to?

1814
01:30:55,479 --> 01:30:58,280
Speaker 1: Venison preparations. How do you like to cook it? We do?

1815
01:30:58,920 --> 01:31:01,920
Speaker 2: I do the backstraps and Erlin's uh pure style, the

1816
01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:02,320
Speaker 2: rest of it.

1817
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:03,120
Speaker 1: Uh.

1818
01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:06,439
Speaker 2: We just started making our own burger. Would usually you know,

1819
01:31:06,640 --> 01:31:09,600
Speaker 2: take out the really nice parts, keep those, send the

1820
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:11,519
Speaker 2: rest of the processor and get the burger back.

1821
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:15,320
Speaker 1: Oh so you do your own, Yeah, you do your

1822
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:17,240
Speaker 1: own whole muscle stuff. Then just bring it down to

1823
01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:18,960
Speaker 1: get it ground right, gotch Yeah.

1824
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:20,760
Speaker 2: So most of the time we don't like so it's

1825
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:23,720
Speaker 2: so warm and humid where we're usually hunting that the

1826
01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:25,960
Speaker 2: meat's almost always coming right off the bone. If we

1827
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:27,760
Speaker 2: don't have a walk in we don't know how to

1828
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:31,200
Speaker 2: access to a walk in freezer. So hang them meats

1829
01:31:31,200 --> 01:31:33,599
Speaker 2: all the way off the bone, right into a cooler,

1830
01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:36,040
Speaker 2: pick out all the good parts that that we don't

1831
01:31:36,080 --> 01:31:37,920
Speaker 2: need help with, and then the stuff that, you know,

1832
01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:40,120
Speaker 2: the time consuming, the grinding, and because you.

1833
01:31:40,160 --> 01:31:42,280
Speaker 1: Got a hustle, usually can't just go hang at your

1834
01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:43,120
Speaker 1: garage for ten days.

1835
01:31:43,479 --> 01:31:48,280
Speaker 2: No, we just can't like our environment. Just there's just

1836
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:52,400
Speaker 2: no chance, no chance. So I mean, I'm a tender

1837
01:31:52,439 --> 01:31:57,479
Speaker 2: loin backstrap guy. And then if I've got time. I'm

1838
01:31:57,520 --> 01:31:59,559
Speaker 2: sure that you don't like when people make stuff into jerky,

1839
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:02,760
Speaker 2: But I love making jerky. Yeah, it just seems like

1840
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:05,760
Speaker 2: an anti purest thing to do with a piece of me.

1841
01:32:05,960 --> 01:32:07,960
Speaker 1: I love them, man. I was walking around eating my

1842
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:11,000
Speaker 1: own jerky yesterday. To make a ton of jerky there's

1843
01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:14,600
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with jerky Clay. Clay Nukeom talks about he

1844
01:32:14,720 --> 01:32:17,639
Speaker 1: talks about how he's always getting burger. Shame grinds. Shame, yeah,

1845
01:32:17,680 --> 01:32:21,080
Speaker 1: grind because he just grinds the whole deer out. Then

1846
01:32:21,080 --> 01:32:21,880
Speaker 1: he has to get burger.

1847
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:23,880
Speaker 2: He's got to make the Big three or the Big

1848
01:32:24,040 --> 01:32:25,519
Speaker 2: four taco.

1849
01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:28,280
Speaker 1: I get.

1850
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:31,360
Speaker 2: I need, I need heart help. The heart has been

1851
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:34,960
Speaker 2: a tough one. I get. Sometimes the heart comes out

1852
01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:38,120
Speaker 2: and it's like the best, like the best, the best piece,

1853
01:32:38,280 --> 01:32:40,120
Speaker 2: And the other times I'm like, I don't want to

1854
01:32:40,120 --> 01:32:40,360
Speaker 2: hate this.

1855
01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:41,080
Speaker 1: How do you cook it?

1856
01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:43,599
Speaker 2: I've cooked it the same way every time, just cast

1857
01:32:43,680 --> 01:32:47,599
Speaker 2: iron and butter. I mean yeah, it's it's like it's

1858
01:32:47,640 --> 01:32:49,960
Speaker 2: more of a heart to heart problem.

1859
01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:51,360
Speaker 8: Like the flavor.

1860
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:54,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, just like some of them, some of them, and

1861
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:57,479
Speaker 2: then like some it's just like this is like a gamey,

1862
01:32:57,760 --> 01:33:02,200
Speaker 2: organy taste, like a bad heart, like bad heart. Just yeah,

1863
01:33:02,240 --> 01:33:04,360
Speaker 2: trimming out best I can. You can put it in

1864
01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:07,760
Speaker 2: salt water, salt and that'll, you know, de ironize it

1865
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:08,400
Speaker 2: a little bit.

1866
01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:10,599
Speaker 1: Okay, I might cook you, dear heart tonight.

1867
01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:14,439
Speaker 2: Okay, we're gonna have deer meat, great, damn, sure're gonna

1868
01:33:14,439 --> 01:33:17,360
Speaker 2: have deer meat perfect, perfect.

1869
01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:21,680
Speaker 8: What everybody wants to know. Fixed blades or mechanicalix.

1870
01:33:20,920 --> 01:33:22,320
Speaker 2: Blades, fixed blades.

1871
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:23,960
Speaker 8: I know, I knew.

1872
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:24,760
Speaker 1: We liked each other.

1873
01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:29,120
Speaker 2: Yes, some more And this is this is my testimonial

1874
01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:33,800
Speaker 2: to the Meat Eater podcasts. Ready. Yeah, so I've been

1875
01:33:33,880 --> 01:33:37,639
Speaker 2: on four l hunts, uh, the first three of which

1876
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:42,720
Speaker 2: I hunted with Matthew's boat. And I'm using an arrow

1877
01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:46,240
Speaker 2: that is around four hundred grains and I'm using rage

1878
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:52,519
Speaker 2: hypodermics now three for three first three hunts. But it

1879
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:56,400
Speaker 2: was very concerning because my arrow was not getting the penetration.

1880
01:33:56,800 --> 01:33:59,600
Speaker 2: It just wasn't. And I'm making shots from inside of

1881
01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:03,240
Speaker 2: thirty yards, made really really good shots and some of

1882
01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:06,960
Speaker 2: these animals and other than getting lucky a couple of

1883
01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:11,000
Speaker 2: times I could have lost. Oh after really good shots,

1884
01:34:11,080 --> 01:34:16,160
Speaker 2: I listened to the doctor Ashby, listened to the Archer's paradox,

1885
01:34:17,080 --> 01:34:20,599
Speaker 2: and started started from the ground up. Bought the heaviest

1886
01:34:20,680 --> 01:34:25,160
Speaker 2: arrows I could find, cut them down, just steal ride

1887
01:34:25,360 --> 01:34:28,320
Speaker 2: nod did these east and you know whatever ten grains

1888
01:34:28,360 --> 01:34:30,760
Speaker 2: per inch. The heaviest ones I was because I've got

1889
01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:33,800
Speaker 2: a short draw. I pulled seventy pounds my draw is

1890
01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:36,320
Speaker 2: at twenty seven inches, so I don't have the luxury

1891
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:38,400
Speaker 2: of speed. I've got no speed, So I've got to

1892
01:34:38,439 --> 01:34:41,240
Speaker 2: be careful because if I'm shooting a six hundred grain arrow,

1893
01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:44,360
Speaker 2: like I can't shoot past thirty yards forty yards, It's

1894
01:34:44,360 --> 01:34:47,080
Speaker 2: just it's just not feasible. So I wanted to end

1895
01:34:47,200 --> 01:34:52,320
Speaker 2: up with a high four hundred finished grain arrow. So

1896
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:56,560
Speaker 2: I did that, built the arrows, and then did the

1897
01:34:57,080 --> 01:35:00,640
Speaker 2: the not the paper paper tune, no knot or no fletchings,

1898
01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:03,960
Speaker 2: notck tuned all the arrows, and the last time I went,

1899
01:35:04,479 --> 01:35:06,800
Speaker 2: I use a ironwhe one hundred and twenty five. I

1900
01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:10,360
Speaker 2: had five hundred grain finished arrows. They were all knock

1901
01:35:10,439 --> 01:35:13,800
Speaker 2: tuned and forty yards the longest shot shot I'd made

1902
01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:19,920
Speaker 2: on an elk slightly quartering slightly according to total passer,

1903
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:24,799
Speaker 2: like just extra one hundred grains on the arrow, different

1904
01:35:25,320 --> 01:35:27,519
Speaker 2: broad heads. I'm a fixed coal period.

1905
01:35:29,720 --> 01:35:35,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this isn't exactly like a lab Yeah. Well,

1906
01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:37,479
Speaker 1: I mean there's things that it hits and doesn't hit.

1907
01:35:38,360 --> 01:35:40,200
Speaker 2: That's true. But I mean I shot an elk at

1908
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:44,759
Speaker 2: twelve yards with inexpandable and my arrow goes in eight.

1909
01:35:46,240 --> 01:35:46,920
Speaker 8: Hit the shoulder.

1910
01:35:47,120 --> 01:35:49,800
Speaker 2: No, no, no, it was. It was very very dark.

1911
01:35:50,280 --> 01:35:52,599
Speaker 2: Hits a little back cording away kind of liver into

1912
01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:56,439
Speaker 2: the backside of one long, backside of one long.

1913
01:35:57,120 --> 01:36:00,479
Speaker 1: I've been having I've been doing some broad head soul searching. Okay,

1914
01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:04,519
Speaker 1: and uh, I find that you are that, not you,

1915
01:36:04,800 --> 01:36:09,559
Speaker 1: but us humans. We're heavily influenced by the last arrow

1916
01:36:09,640 --> 01:36:10,000
Speaker 1: we shot.

1917
01:36:10,160 --> 01:36:15,240
Speaker 2: Okay, lost the deer, lost the deer two years ago,

1918
01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:20,920
Speaker 2: which it was either because of the expandable or y'all

1919
01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:23,280
Speaker 2: mess much of that third acts of stuff, like with

1920
01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:25,400
Speaker 2: the sight you know.

1921
01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:28,200
Speaker 7: Well, I mean, I make sure I'm dialed, because you don't.

1922
01:36:28,280 --> 01:36:29,600
Speaker 7: And when you sit there in your backyard and your

1923
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:32,000
Speaker 7: shoot parallel to the ground, you never notice it.

1924
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:37,000
Speaker 2: And yeah, I'm straight down on this deer. I feel

1925
01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:40,680
Speaker 2: like I make a good shot. It misses, you know,

1926
01:36:40,760 --> 01:36:43,880
Speaker 2: the deer's facing left or right. I make a good

1927
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:46,040
Speaker 2: when I feel likes a good deer's right up underneath me,

1928
01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:47,519
Speaker 2: and I make a good shot and hits him in

1929
01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:49,880
Speaker 2: the top of the shoulder. Air goes in this far.

1930
01:36:50,160 --> 01:36:54,000
Speaker 2: With the expandable, I feel like if I'd have hit

1931
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:56,160
Speaker 2: if I'd have made that same shot with a fixed blade,

1932
01:36:57,720 --> 01:37:00,680
Speaker 2: he's dead because when you shooting you I.

1933
01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:02,280
Speaker 1: Lost deer there to day and I hit it too

1934
01:37:02,360 --> 01:37:04,400
Speaker 1: far back, and I kept thinking that if I had

1935
01:37:04,479 --> 01:37:07,479
Speaker 1: had something that now it's and I had had something

1936
01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:08,160
Speaker 1: that opened up.

1937
01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:13,519
Speaker 2: There is no there's no perfect answer. You're probably right,

1938
01:37:15,200 --> 01:37:16,200
Speaker 2: I mean, you're probably right.

1939
01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:17,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, And we weren't in the south.

1940
01:37:17,680 --> 01:37:19,639
Speaker 2: It was south Ish, south Ish.

1941
01:37:20,040 --> 01:37:21,559
Speaker 1: And man, those deer, when you get up to them,

1942
01:37:21,560 --> 01:37:23,240
Speaker 1: you're like, oh man, that's not a very big deal.

1943
01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:25,360
Speaker 2: You're not big at all, like what you're.

1944
01:37:25,240 --> 01:37:27,320
Speaker 1: Normally thinking of that your aim where you're gonna give

1945
01:37:27,320 --> 01:37:30,840
Speaker 1: yourself five inches. They're twitchy too, It's like five inches

1946
01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:31,519
Speaker 1: put you like.

1947
01:37:35,160 --> 01:37:39,719
Speaker 2: One hundred pounds dough thirty yards. I mean that's a twitchy,

1948
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:42,320
Speaker 2: twitchy animal. And they're already tiny.

1949
01:37:43,120 --> 01:37:45,839
Speaker 1: So when do you get what's on your your fall schedule?

1950
01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:47,360
Speaker 1: When when do things heat up for you? Guys? You're

1951
01:37:47,400 --> 01:37:48,920
Speaker 1: already getting after it probably now, aren't you.

1952
01:37:49,080 --> 01:37:51,040
Speaker 2: No, we so I'll start back up. I got one

1953
01:37:51,080 --> 01:37:51,599
Speaker 2: more tournament.

1954
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:52,599
Speaker 1: No, I mean you're hunting playing?

1955
01:37:53,080 --> 01:37:55,240
Speaker 2: Oh man, I'm we got to redo food plots. We

1956
01:37:55,320 --> 01:37:58,080
Speaker 2: did them two weeks ago, worked our hands in the bone,

1957
01:37:58,120 --> 01:38:01,760
Speaker 2: had this rain coming. It was dry. Like it's hard

1958
01:38:01,800 --> 01:38:04,240
Speaker 2: for me because I have to pick a dry spell

1959
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:08,720
Speaker 2: to plant because I can't get in there otherwise, like

1960
01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:10,760
Speaker 2: where where our plots are, Like I don't want to

1961
01:38:10,800 --> 01:38:14,360
Speaker 2: run it up too bad. So the rain's coming, it's dry.

1962
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:16,479
Speaker 2: I'm like, let's try it. So we go plant, work

1963
01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:18,000
Speaker 2: our hands and bone for two days and then we

1964
01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:21,080
Speaker 2: got five inches of rain supposed to get like half

1965
01:38:21,120 --> 01:38:21,639
Speaker 2: an inches.

1966
01:38:21,439 --> 01:38:25,200
Speaker 1: Getting dry planting weather. Then some nice sprinkles and.

1967
01:38:25,320 --> 01:38:27,519
Speaker 2: Right, and then that's it. So it didn't get that.

1968
01:38:27,640 --> 01:38:28,720
Speaker 2: I think we got to redo all that.

1969
01:38:29,400 --> 01:38:30,840
Speaker 1: But when does hunting heat up for you? Guys?

1970
01:38:31,080 --> 01:38:33,360
Speaker 2: Man, I'm just I'm so focused on trying to get

1971
01:38:33,400 --> 01:38:34,120
Speaker 2: this place.

1972
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:36,280
Speaker 1: Like ditched, and you're not even worried about it.

1973
01:38:36,439 --> 01:38:38,120
Speaker 2: Not really. I mean I sat the other night and

1974
01:38:38,200 --> 01:38:40,320
Speaker 2: I was like, damn, this place is still wet. I

1975
01:38:40,400 --> 01:38:42,639
Speaker 2: guess like I just want to go buy an excavator

1976
01:38:42,640 --> 01:38:43,639
Speaker 2: and start moving water.

1977
01:38:44,600 --> 01:38:46,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got that where you can't relax until you

1978
01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:51,679
Speaker 1: get unpacked kind of thing, right, right, wood duck situation.

1979
01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:55,920
Speaker 2: We got piles and piles of woods. See that's so funny,

1980
01:38:56,680 --> 01:39:00,160
Speaker 2: Like where we are, we're like a wood duck, but

1981
01:39:00,280 --> 01:39:05,479
Speaker 2: someone kills the redhead somewhere like oh my right, oh yeah, ducks,

1982
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:06,360
Speaker 2: great wood ducks.

1983
01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:07,880
Speaker 1: I see, that was our duck.

1984
01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:09,599
Speaker 2: We'll go kill you three wood ducks. Be a waffle

1985
01:39:09,640 --> 01:39:10,599
Speaker 2: alis at seven fifteen.

1986
01:39:10,680 --> 01:39:13,760
Speaker 1: Man, that was our growing up. That was our duck.

1987
01:39:13,840 --> 01:39:16,599
Speaker 1: You know. That was like when in Michigan the opener

1988
01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:18,679
Speaker 1: you get some mallards. But you know, we would focus.

1989
01:39:19,200 --> 01:39:21,640
Speaker 1: We would hunt ducks heavily for a week, yep. And

1990
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:23,920
Speaker 1: it was wood ducks, you know, right when the season open,

1991
01:39:24,240 --> 01:39:28,000
Speaker 1: so like right now basically and then now, man, I

1992
01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:31,760
Speaker 1: would just kill to go. Uh my buddy I had

1993
01:39:31,800 --> 01:39:33,720
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, my buddy Doug. He gets wood ducks on

1994
01:39:33,800 --> 01:39:36,080
Speaker 1: his little pond and it'd be so fun to go

1995
01:39:36,120 --> 01:39:36,280
Speaker 1: in here.

1996
01:39:36,600 --> 01:39:40,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fine. So there's a there's a a wma

1997
01:39:41,120 --> 01:39:44,960
Speaker 2: duck hutting place and Darien. It's called Rhet's Alan, but

1998
01:39:45,120 --> 01:39:48,040
Speaker 2: it's a their old rice plant, their old rice fields.

1999
01:39:49,240 --> 01:39:51,400
Speaker 2: So it's diked up out of brackish water. So it's

2000
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:55,920
Speaker 2: fresh ish, fresh ear water inside the impowerment. But in

2001
01:39:56,040 --> 01:39:57,680
Speaker 2: order to get into the powerment, you've got to take

2002
01:39:57,680 --> 01:39:59,040
Speaker 2: you know, we had a little duck boat. It's got

2003
01:39:59,080 --> 01:40:01,439
Speaker 2: a winch on the front. You gotta winch up the

2004
01:40:01,479 --> 01:40:04,360
Speaker 2: wooden pull over and then basically ride the boat down

2005
01:40:04,439 --> 01:40:06,200
Speaker 2: into it. So we're getting out.

2006
01:40:06,080 --> 01:40:11,160
Speaker 1: There the movie. I have not put that on your list, Okay, Moat.

2007
01:40:10,720 --> 01:40:14,160
Speaker 2: So Wednesdays, Saturdays, and Sundays we're hunting rets every single time.

2008
01:40:14,200 --> 01:40:16,360
Speaker 2: So my point is like we would go to this effort,

2009
01:40:16,920 --> 01:40:19,559
Speaker 2: leaving it two in the morning, getting there, decoys out

2010
01:40:19,640 --> 01:40:22,320
Speaker 2: so that we could shoot like one buffalohead and like

2011
01:40:22,520 --> 01:40:25,759
Speaker 2: two ring necks as opposed to like going and sitting

2012
01:40:25,800 --> 01:40:29,160
Speaker 2: in any swamp and killing three wood ducks. So we

2013
01:40:29,200 --> 01:40:33,320
Speaker 2: would literally move heaven and earth to kill anything but

2014
01:40:33,400 --> 01:40:36,400
Speaker 2: a wood duck. That's amazing because they just don't have

2015
01:40:36,640 --> 01:40:38,600
Speaker 2: like the culture. We don't have. We don't have the

2016
01:40:38,800 --> 01:40:40,720
Speaker 2: we just don't have the variety. But it's also just

2017
01:40:40,800 --> 01:40:45,360
Speaker 2: a very tasty duck. I'm just saying, looks good, taste

2018
01:40:45,360 --> 01:40:48,880
Speaker 2: goodn't any more? Could you want Brian's place? Like can

2019
01:40:48,920 --> 01:40:52,000
Speaker 2: you imagine? Like I feel like my hunting would have

2020
01:40:52,080 --> 01:40:56,920
Speaker 2: been vastly slowed down, Like I wouldn't know as much

2021
01:40:56,960 --> 01:40:58,800
Speaker 2: as I know if I was, like, well, I can

2022
01:40:58,880 --> 01:41:01,720
Speaker 2: go to the spot all three super tasty ducks and

2023
01:41:01,880 --> 01:41:06,639
Speaker 2: a pig every day, right, I could. I can almost

2024
01:41:06,720 --> 01:41:10,440
Speaker 2: guarantee that, Yeah, late late December.

2025
01:41:10,680 --> 01:41:11,639
Speaker 1: That's when I got to come down.

2026
01:41:11,720 --> 01:41:13,639
Speaker 2: Three wood ducks and this an invite I can't tell

2027
01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:14,280
Speaker 2: man whenever.

2028
01:41:16,720 --> 01:41:17,720
Speaker 1: And it's three woodies a.

2029
01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:19,719
Speaker 2: Day, three woodies per person, yes.

2030
01:41:20,240 --> 01:41:21,360
Speaker 1: And we'd be getting drakes.

2031
01:41:21,920 --> 01:41:24,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could probably pick out drakes. But it's it's

2032
01:41:24,120 --> 01:41:26,200
Speaker 2: hard because it's so dark, because you're in a swamp.

2033
01:41:26,600 --> 01:41:29,240
Speaker 2: They fly early and then it's done, like there is

2034
01:41:29,360 --> 01:41:31,160
Speaker 2: no like mid morning fly and.

2035
01:41:31,200 --> 01:41:34,479
Speaker 1: You guys don't do an evening set because the.

2036
01:41:34,479 --> 01:41:37,480
Speaker 2: Morning Yeah, pretty much impossible to do it legally.

2037
01:41:37,479 --> 01:41:39,640
Speaker 1: Because they're just coming in after dark and you've kind

2038
01:41:39,640 --> 01:41:40,519
Speaker 1: of ruined the spot.

2039
01:41:40,360 --> 01:41:43,400
Speaker 2: Right well, they they yeah, I mean you you've totally

2040
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:46,880
Speaker 2: blown their roost up when you roost hunt. It's it's

2041
01:41:46,960 --> 01:41:47,400
Speaker 2: it's so what.

2042
01:41:47,439 --> 01:41:48,960
Speaker 1: Are you going out into in the morning, Like, what

2043
01:41:49,040 --> 01:41:50,160
Speaker 1: are they coming into to feed in?

2044
01:41:50,360 --> 01:41:56,320
Speaker 2: Just cypress swamps? Really, that'd be gorgeous, dud bad man,

2045
01:41:56,560 --> 01:41:58,519
Speaker 2: Come on, you shoot all the wood ducks you want?

2046
01:41:58,760 --> 01:41:59,040
Speaker 1: Really?

2047
01:41:59,160 --> 01:42:02,240
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, we can have that hemmed.

2048
01:42:02,040 --> 01:42:04,840
Speaker 1: Up hunters down that neck of woods. Can he come with?

2049
01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:05,280
Speaker 1: We would?

2050
01:42:05,360 --> 01:42:08,600
Speaker 2: We had we had a we were part of in

2051
01:42:08,680 --> 01:42:13,479
Speaker 2: high school. We were part of a cool duck hunting

2052
01:42:13,479 --> 01:42:15,920
Speaker 2: place down in Lake City, Florida, where it was a

2053
01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:19,120
Speaker 2: phosphate mine, and to mind the phosphate, they were always

2054
01:42:19,120 --> 01:42:20,840
Speaker 2: having to move the water around, so they would end

2055
01:42:20,920 --> 01:42:24,799
Speaker 2: up with different giant holding places and then flooded timber.

2056
01:42:25,200 --> 01:42:26,800
Speaker 2: So we'd go in the flooded timber and try and

2057
01:42:26,920 --> 01:42:29,760
Speaker 2: kill the gad wall and the teal, and then we'd

2058
01:42:29,840 --> 01:42:32,400
Speaker 2: hunt the big bodies of water for the canvas backs

2059
01:42:32,439 --> 01:42:34,720
Speaker 2: and the red heads ring necks. So we had like

2060
01:42:35,360 --> 01:42:37,720
Speaker 2: but all that being said, like we could have just

2061
01:42:37,760 --> 01:42:39,880
Speaker 2: been killing woo ducks all time. We literally drive like

2062
01:42:40,240 --> 01:42:44,720
Speaker 2: three hours. It's a really fun time in Montana right now,

2063
01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:48,560
Speaker 2: like pre storm, we're just like starting to get the

2064
01:42:48,720 --> 01:42:53,280
Speaker 2: central migrations just kind of starting. And I was did

2065
01:42:53,320 --> 01:42:56,000
Speaker 2: a lot of walking and came across all sorts of

2066
01:42:56,000 --> 01:42:59,920
Speaker 2: little odd bodies of water this weekend and so fun

2067
01:43:00,520 --> 01:43:05,160
Speaker 2: like irrigation ditch sized chunk of water and six ring

2068
01:43:05,240 --> 01:43:09,519
Speaker 2: bells flying off of you. Nuts. When we play golf

2069
01:43:09,560 --> 01:43:11,320
Speaker 2: and we have a big tournament in Phoenix every year,

2070
01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:14,400
Speaker 2: and they've got this giant holding pond in the middle

2071
01:43:14,479 --> 01:43:17,240
Speaker 2: and it's just the thousands of ducks Widgeons.

2072
01:43:17,360 --> 01:43:19,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought you had so much discipline. You

2073
01:43:19,200 --> 01:43:20,320
Speaker 1: don't notice that kind of stuff.

2074
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:21,640
Speaker 2: I notice it.

2075
01:43:24,160 --> 01:43:26,479
Speaker 1: You don't go now I got the clubhouse has to

2076
01:43:26,520 --> 01:43:26,720
Speaker 1: make that.

2077
01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:28,920
Speaker 2: Troy would be perfect because they all get up and

2078
01:43:29,000 --> 01:43:31,040
Speaker 2: leave every night too. It's like you got a late

2079
01:43:31,120 --> 01:43:33,120
Speaker 2: practice around or something, or you're finishing up late. They

2080
01:43:33,160 --> 01:43:34,880
Speaker 2: all just get up and go. That was always my

2081
01:43:34,920 --> 01:43:37,320
Speaker 2: favorite part of duck hunting. It's like like watching them

2082
01:43:37,320 --> 01:43:38,800
Speaker 2: all go to roost to the lift off.

2083
01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:42,680
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, So, uh, tell people how to find you on? Uh,

2084
01:43:43,160 --> 01:43:45,400
Speaker 1: what's the best way to track your doings?

2085
01:43:45,640 --> 01:43:49,160
Speaker 2: I don't, I don't. You do have an Instagram? I

2086
01:43:49,200 --> 01:43:51,160
Speaker 2: have an Instagram. I don't care if people find a

2087
01:43:51,200 --> 01:43:54,320
Speaker 2: public or not public harm and Brian on Instagram? You

2088
01:43:54,400 --> 01:43:58,559
Speaker 2: want to see some Why do you not put? I haven't.

2089
01:43:58,880 --> 01:44:01,479
Speaker 2: Can you do that? Can you? You can't change it?

2090
01:44:01,520 --> 01:44:04,640
Speaker 2: We'll change it, yeah, but all we'll get this all

2091
01:44:04,760 --> 01:44:07,240
Speaker 2: fake out. Yeah, but it's great.

2092
01:44:08,640 --> 01:44:11,639
Speaker 1: And then what's the next big what's the next tournament?

2093
01:44:11,680 --> 01:44:13,719
Speaker 1: You're except that that's like people should be watching.

2094
01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:16,400
Speaker 2: Well, we got I got the R s M Classic

2095
01:44:16,520 --> 01:44:18,720
Speaker 2: in my hometown, Saint Simon's, And then I'm gonna go

2096
01:44:18,760 --> 01:44:21,720
Speaker 2: play Tiger's event in the Bahamas and then I'll make

2097
01:44:21,760 --> 01:44:25,080
Speaker 2: a spearfish after with him, maybe after. He's pretty good

2098
01:44:25,120 --> 01:44:26,439
Speaker 2: at it. Yeah, he's pretty good.

2099
01:44:26,760 --> 01:44:27,640
Speaker 1: Hat a little bit.

2100
01:44:27,720 --> 01:44:30,120
Speaker 2: I showed him some pictures, uh when he used to

2101
01:44:30,160 --> 01:44:31,680
Speaker 2: spearfish at bunch. He was like, do you do it

2102
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:34,680
Speaker 2: with a tank? I was like, well, yeah, that time

2103
01:44:34,680 --> 01:44:38,839
Speaker 2: of day is well, doesn't count the Yeah, he's a purist.

2104
01:44:40,040 --> 01:44:41,880
Speaker 1: Well you will you plug? You plugged this showed him

2105
01:44:41,880 --> 01:44:43,040
Speaker 1: and say he should come out and.

2106
01:44:43,040 --> 01:44:45,360
Speaker 2: Talk probably watch it. I wouldn't be surprised he watched it.

2107
01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:47,439
Speaker 1: Will you asked me, if you'll come on and talk about.

2108
01:44:47,200 --> 01:44:49,120
Speaker 2: Spirit, that's gonna be hard to sell. I'll ask him.

2109
01:44:49,120 --> 01:44:50,240
Speaker 1: You don't like to do that kind of stuff.

2110
01:44:51,200 --> 01:44:52,400
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know this now, but Tiger

2111
01:44:52,520 --> 01:44:53,400
Speaker 2: was just pretty high de man.

2112
01:44:53,600 --> 01:44:55,960
Speaker 1: No, that's why that's why I'm leaning on you.

2113
01:44:56,120 --> 01:44:57,080
Speaker 3: That's why we're sending you.

2114
01:44:58,680 --> 01:45:00,280
Speaker 1: I don't want to overlean on a you. That's why

2115
01:45:00,280 --> 01:45:01,280
Speaker 1: you're supposed to bring it up.

2116
01:45:01,360 --> 01:45:05,599
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, and kind of wedget in there, like went

2117
01:45:05,760 --> 01:45:07,000
Speaker 2: nice nice nice pun there.

2118
01:45:07,040 --> 01:45:09,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like it looks like a great day

2119
01:45:10,080 --> 01:45:14,160
Speaker 1: for great days. Shoot, you might want to think about

2120
01:45:14,200 --> 01:45:15,640
Speaker 1: doing and then you know something like that.

2121
01:45:16,360 --> 01:45:19,920
Speaker 2: I think I love the spearfish, love trying to get

2122
01:45:19,960 --> 01:45:23,600
Speaker 2: better at it. But there's still like, in order to

2123
01:45:23,640 --> 01:45:26,679
Speaker 2: properly talk ship about somebody who spearfishes with a tank,

2124
01:45:26,720 --> 01:45:28,439
Speaker 2: you got to do it at least once, right, right.

2125
01:45:28,520 --> 01:45:30,439
Speaker 2: I would love to go down there and sit and

2126
01:45:30,640 --> 01:45:33,800
Speaker 2: just see, really see what what the difference, find out

2127
01:45:33,920 --> 01:45:38,120
Speaker 2: just how bad it is right the house, how siky

2128
01:45:38,200 --> 01:45:40,200
Speaker 2: I feel. It's kind of like the greatest thing about

2129
01:45:40,280 --> 01:45:42,040
Speaker 2: drinking black coffees that you get to make fun of

2130
01:45:42,080 --> 01:45:47,720
Speaker 2: people who put it in their coffee. It's like, yeah,

2131
01:45:47,720 --> 01:45:49,400
Speaker 2: I don't use a horse and cart to get around

2132
01:45:49,400 --> 01:45:53,360
Speaker 2: anymore either, but uh, the half and half budget on

2133
01:45:53,560 --> 01:45:56,200
Speaker 2: meat does not get messed with.

2134
01:45:57,439 --> 01:45:59,360
Speaker 1: All right, So you got those coming up. Look for

2135
01:45:59,439 --> 01:46:01,440
Speaker 1: the guy with the pink and white straight.

2136
01:46:01,320 --> 01:46:04,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the one showing out, Look for the look.

2137
01:46:04,120 --> 01:46:06,719
Speaker 1: For the guy look for the guy in the drabbish attire.

2138
01:46:07,479 --> 01:46:09,920
Speaker 2: Now I just go to work, go to work and

2139
01:46:10,120 --> 01:46:11,400
Speaker 2: try to try to beat everybody.

2140
01:46:12,200 --> 01:46:14,960
Speaker 1: That's it, all right, man, Well, thanks for coming on, appreciate.

2141
01:46:14,640 --> 01:46:16,439
Speaker 2: You for having me. Sure I appreciate it now, Thank you,

2142
01:46:17,240 --> 01:46:25,600
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Sweet ride on.

2143
01:46:29,880 --> 01:46:40,880
Speaker 1: A seal gray shine like silver in the sun. Right

2144
01:46:43,400 --> 01:46:48,040
Speaker 1: right alone, sweet.

2145
01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:55,599
Speaker 6: We done beat this damn course today taking a new right.

2146
01:46:59,160 --> 01:47:04,800
Speaker 6: We're done can beat this damn Prsiday. So take a

2147
01:47:04,920 --> 01:47:07,000
Speaker 6: new one and ride on

2148
01:47:16,080 --> 01:47:16,120
Speaker 7: H