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Speaker 6: I am your host, Josh Nelson, as we are streaming
Speaker 6: live on Friday, August seven, twenty twenty six. Typically we
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Speaker 6: at a video show, but I had to fly out
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Speaker 6: you so much for watching this live stream. A lot
Speaker 6: has happened for the Chicago White Sox as they just
Speaker 6: wrapped up their series against the Boston Red Sox and man,
Speaker 6: maybe the less we talk about what happened in Boston
Speaker 6: the better, but it did not go well again for
Speaker 6: the White Sox against the Boston Red Sox, as the
Speaker 6: White Sox are once again swept and a really devastating
Speaker 6: twelve to eleven loss in thirteen innings last night, and
Speaker 6: in these six games against the Red Sox, of course,
Speaker 6: the White Sox go oh and six. They only scored
Speaker 6: fifteen runs this year against the Boston Red Sox and
Speaker 6: they allowed forty five. So you just do the math
Speaker 6: and that is a negative.
Speaker 5: Thirty run differential.
Speaker 6: I guess the silver lining for the Chicago White Sox, however,
Speaker 6: is that when you take a look at the American
Speaker 6: League Central standings, the Cleveland Guardians really fumbled the bag
Speaker 6: as they got.
Speaker 5: Swept at home why the New York Mets.
Speaker 6: A really head scratching series result for the Cleveland Guardians.
Speaker 6: The White Sox still have a three game lead over
Speaker 6: the Guardians, but the Minnesota Twins have caught the Guardians.
Speaker 6: The Twins actually hold the tiebreaker against Cleveland, so right
Speaker 6: now Minnesota would be in second place the fifty seven
Speaker 6: to fifty nine record. There are the Tigers, even though
Speaker 6: they traded Terrek schouolbl and Casey miiz Away. There they
Speaker 6: are fifty six and fifty nine, three and a half
Speaker 6: games back of the White Sox and the Kansas City
Speaker 6: Royal still in last place twenty games will of five hundred,
Speaker 6: twelve games back of the Chicago White Sox.
Speaker 5: So it's a big weekend for the White Sox as
Speaker 5: the Guardians come into town.
Speaker 6: But we do need to chat about what happened in
Speaker 6: Boston as we got a chance to see the new
Speaker 6: guys the White Sox acquired a trade and enjoining me
Speaker 6: on this edition to Soxs Machine Live, a Sox Machines
Speaker 6: Beat Reporter James Vegan and managing editor Jim Margolis. And
Speaker 6: hello gents and James, I'll start with you again. The
Speaker 6: new guys joining the Chicago White Sox shortly after the
Speaker 6: trade deadline again Luis Castillo, hu Escar Brazobon, Joey Bart
Speaker 6: and Bren Doyle. And of a lot of tension on
Speaker 6: Louis Castillo because he was the big fish at the
Speaker 6: trade deadline. He only goes four innings in his start
Speaker 6: last night, gives up five and runs on six hits.
Speaker 5: He did strike out five, only walked.
Speaker 6: One, but he only threw seventy one pitches, and I
Speaker 6: guess that is where I want to start James, because
Speaker 6: I really felt like the whole point of the White
Speaker 6: Sox acquiring Luis Castillo at the trade deadline is to
Speaker 6: help with the starting rotation and to help give it
Speaker 6: depth and to take on some of those innings. But
Speaker 6: if Castillo only goes seventy one pitches, doesn't that kind
Speaker 6: of defeat the purpose of the White Sox acquiring him.
Speaker 7: Sure, I don't think it was a pitch count limitation issue.
Speaker 7: I think it's kind of what my concern was when
Speaker 7: the underlying argument was, you know he can more stably
Speaker 7: provide bulk innings, is that if he's ineffective, he's not
Speaker 7: going to go that deeply. His last four starts for
Speaker 7: the Mariners before he got traded, we're all ninety plus
Speaker 7: in terms of pitch count. It's simply like this guy
Speaker 7: struggle with the second times of the order. He didn't
Speaker 7: have consistently effective secondaries. You know, he kind of until
Speaker 7: the eighth hitter was like dictating the tempo, which is
Speaker 7: like a lively fastball, but then didn't have like this
Speaker 7: big counter move when the second turns of the order,
Speaker 7: was getting knocked around, and why do you sign up
Speaker 7: for a third trips to the order, which then is
Speaker 7: the fundamental issue you were ducking with Fetti where you
Speaker 7: were just giving him this hard out two times of
Speaker 7: the order overall. But Castillo certainly has the capacity to
Speaker 7: go longer and deeper into games. But if he's struggling
Speaker 7: and they don't have the you know, kind of adjustment
Speaker 7: necessary to hit him back to his best best self,
Speaker 7: then yeah, there's gonna be shorter outings because he's given
Speaker 7: up five runs. He had a couple I thought, especially
Speaker 7: the sliders to you know, the one that Wong hit
Speaker 7: out and the one in Monsterio doubled on obviously wasn't
Speaker 7: like hit incredibly hard, but wasn't a bat missing slider.
Speaker 2: We're pretty located well, located low.
Speaker 7: And away from right handed hitters and still got hit,
Speaker 7: which kind of reflects the larger reality of him looking
Speaker 7: over at his numbers before it comes on where the
Speaker 7: sliders with weare is way down. The change up isn't
Speaker 7: like a major factor that you see him like getting
Speaker 7: through outings with, and so like, yeah, he still has
Speaker 7: this you know, four seamer two seamer like mix that's
Speaker 7: both like ninety five plus that looks pretty, you know, imposing,
Speaker 7: but in terms of showing people a different look that's
Speaker 7: really effective. You know, he hasn't had that consistently over
Speaker 7: the course of the season, and if he doesn't do that,
Speaker 7: then yeah, he won't get through six innings very easily, uh,
Speaker 7: with like leads intact. So I don't think it's like
Speaker 7: necessarily like man, they're going to be giving putting him
Speaker 7: like four or five and dive every time out with
Speaker 7: their intention. But if they don't get him right, that's
Speaker 7: you know, effectively what they still have. So yeah, it
Speaker 7: doesn't serve the purpose if he's not good.
Speaker 6: Sure, I just wonder is this a situation that maybe
Speaker 6: from top to the manager's office, can you just have
Speaker 6: Castillo pitch ninety pitches like that? That's not a White
Speaker 6: Sox thing, right, They're not Chris Gets is not going
Speaker 6: to mandate that you must have Luis Castillo eat.
Speaker 5: Five innings or more every single outing.
Speaker 7: I think Gets gives enable admirable certainly in twenty twenty
Speaker 7: six level of leeway to try to manage the window game.
Speaker 7: I think point Luis Cassill, you give up five runs
Speaker 7: and four inings. Is trying to win the game, not
Speaker 7: a you know, we need a certain sort of length
Speaker 7: to manage what we need or get return on our
Speaker 7: investments of decision.
Speaker 6: Got it okay, So it's a bummer that Luis Castillo
Speaker 6: didn't eat up any innings. Things went really sideways for
Speaker 6: the White Sox late in that game, simply just because
Speaker 6: they ran out of bench guys and they were running
Speaker 6: out of pitchers going into extra innings. Eric Fetty and
Speaker 6: Chris Murphy had to pitch in the game, and if
Speaker 6: they got into the fourteenth inning, I have no idea
Speaker 6: Jim who would.
Speaker 5: Have pitched for the White Sox.
Speaker 6: But for all these new guys, the White Sox got
Speaker 6: some bad luck as Joey Bart was hit in the
Speaker 6: hand and he has pretty much a fractured knuckle, so
Speaker 6: he's going to miss some time.
Speaker 5: And it's been.
Speaker 6: Reported that Egar Carro is going to be rejoining the
Speaker 6: White Sox. So before the deadline, I was worried about
Speaker 6: the White Sox catching situation.
Speaker 5: It's Drew Romo and Edgar Carro.
Speaker 6: A couple of games later, guess what, it's Drew Romo
Speaker 6: and Edgar Carrow thanks to some bad injury luck. So
Speaker 6: what do you make of the White Sox catching situation
Speaker 6: and the brief time that we saw Joey Bart with
Speaker 6: the White Sox.
Speaker 1: It almost feels like they need to trade Drew Romo
Speaker 1: just to get away from this cycle where they keep
Speaker 1: going back and forth with a potential solution they think
Speaker 1: will rectify their underwater catching mix. Like they had Kyle
Speaker 1: Teal come back and then he lasted nineteen games and
Speaker 1: then got hurt again with the high ankle sprain, and
Speaker 1: then you had Joey Bart come in, and expectations weren't
Speaker 1: anywhere close for Bart as they were for Teal, Like
Speaker 1: this was not a this is going to be the
Speaker 1: beat that the lineup needs, and he kind of presses
Speaker 1: behind the plates with the athleticism to catch and throw
Speaker 1: and call games. This is more Joey Bart is fine.
Speaker 1: We're not going to demand too much from Joey Bart.
Speaker 1: This is clearly a stop gap situation, And even with
Speaker 1: expectations muted, and even with Romo figuring that he's still
Speaker 1: going to be part of the mix, they still end
Speaker 1: up where they started or where they've been for most
Speaker 1: of the season with Romo and Caro over and over
Speaker 1: and over again, and so it you know, man plans
Speaker 1: and God laughs. And it certainly seems like a a
Speaker 1: Twilight Zone type situation of just no matter how many
Speaker 1: doors he enter, no matter how many corners he turn,
Speaker 1: you end up in the same room looking at the
Speaker 1: same thing. And uh, yeah, it's certainly the pressure is
Speaker 1: I guess the way you look at it, the pressure
Speaker 1: is either off or on. Either pressure is off because
Speaker 1: they did what they could. And so it's Romo and
Speaker 1: Caro and you kind of shrug. You get what you get,
Speaker 1: no matter the efforts, and it's just the way the
Speaker 1: season unfolds or the pressure is on, and that's uh.
Speaker 1: You know, Caro was supposed to be somebody this year,
Speaker 1: and they've shown with the playing time allocations, no matter
Speaker 1: how poorly Romo has hits that they preferred him behind
Speaker 1: the plates, you know, catching two out of three or
Speaker 1: two out of four every series. And it seems like
Speaker 1: Romo's bat has been you know, barely tenable or untenable
Speaker 1: depending on how much everybody else is hit. So it
Speaker 1: does seem like this particular road does go through Edgar
Speaker 1: Carrow at least a little bit as much as the
Speaker 1: White Sox have been trying to resist it.
Speaker 6: Drew Roma did throw out two base runners filling in
Speaker 6: for Joey Bart in Thursday's loss. I thought that was
Speaker 6: pretty impressive by Romo. The Red Sox were not afraid
Speaker 6: to test the White Sox in this series as far
Speaker 6: as it stolen base attempts, so I thought that was
Speaker 6: impressive by Roman to come in and be able to
Speaker 6: throw a couple of runners out. But yeah, offensively, not
Speaker 6: much at all. You could read socks Machines Month in
Speaker 6: a box that Jim does every month recap July, and
Speaker 6: the production from the catcher perspective for the White Sox
Speaker 6: definitely was not approving as the season progressed until Kyle
Speaker 6: Teal was in the lineup. But even with Teal in
Speaker 6: the lineup, Teal was still breaking off a lot of Russ,
Speaker 6: So it really comes. The White Sox just seemed to
Speaker 6: be spinning in circles right now with the catching position
Speaker 6: until somebody gets healthy, either Kyle Teel or Joey Bart James.
Speaker 6: We haven't heard as far as how extensive this injury
Speaker 6: is for Joey Bart right we don't know how long
Speaker 6: he's going to be missing time.
Speaker 2: They have not provided an estimate.
Speaker 7: We know it's specifically he broke a fifth metatarsal, and
Speaker 7: we can confirm that Carol's getting called up, so it's
Speaker 7: clearly a roster move. But no, we've not been given
Speaker 7: a timeline on it yet.
Speaker 6: All Right, I guess to to wrap up as far
Speaker 6: as what happened against Boston, what do you guys make
Speaker 6: of what the Red Sox have done? It is Jim
Speaker 6: the last thirty six games, a thirty one to five record,
Speaker 6: I think, and rightfully so White Sox fans are just
Speaker 6: throwing their hands up, be like, hey, everyone's losing to Boston.
Speaker 6: So this isn't something to be really concerned about. I mean,
Speaker 6: Boston just went into Dodger Stadium and swept the Los
Speaker 6: Angeles Dodgers after they had a big trade deadline. So
Speaker 6: what do you make of the Boston Red Sox.
Speaker 1: It feels like they don't necessarily of the outcome based
Speaker 1: on Craig Breslo, the kind of dysfunction we've heard about,
Speaker 1: especially with Alex Cora. This it doesn't seem earned based
Speaker 1: on the kind of harmony you see from like other
Speaker 1: front offices like the White Sox for example, kind of
Speaker 1: the ideal communication between Chris gets well aventable, it's all
Speaker 1: going great, Red Sox teem would be the opposite of that.
Speaker 1: So if you want a healthy results stemming from that
Speaker 1: healthy process, you would think that this is not the
Speaker 1: ideal situation or anything you want to emulate as an organization.
Speaker 1: But watching them play, certainly the pitching has been there
Speaker 1: for a while. They have a pretty deep talented pitching
Speaker 1: staff to where they're able to trade pitching for Curtis meat,
Speaker 1: like they have the rare surplus to deal away from
Speaker 1: even if it's like a controversial return with meat and
Speaker 1: then meat gets hurt. So I guess, you know, Bart
Speaker 1: is like a little bit of you know, balance in
Speaker 1: the universe because they'd lost a guy after two games
Speaker 1: because of a hit by pitch and now the White
Speaker 1: Sox do as well. Deliath though, is just impressive and
Speaker 1: it is like a classic Boston feel without necessarily the
Speaker 1: marquee talent like the household names, just in terms of
Speaker 1: how hard they make pitchers work, like Sean Burke. We've
Speaker 1: seen Burke like in this version of him where he
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily have the best breaking ball command, but like
Speaker 1: either fastball command gets them through or a curve ball
Speaker 1: command gets them through. But he can get by with
Speaker 1: one pitch leading the way and get enough from the
Speaker 1: other ones to get through five to six with fairly
Speaker 1: low pitch count. But this is a case where he
Speaker 1: had pretty good fastball command. But even though he was
Speaker 1: getting ahead of the counts like he was doing okay,
Speaker 1: just a lot of foul balls, a lot of two
Speaker 1: out hits to extend innings, to rack it up. And
Speaker 1: so yeah, I think one through nine, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: towards the eight and nine it gets a little bit thin.
Speaker 1: But they just have a lineup that's in the classic
Speaker 1: Red Sox since when they were you kind of moneyball
Speaker 1: with money you know, with iobp guys and power guys
Speaker 1: and guys who could take advantage of Fenway Parks dimensions.
Speaker 1: Just a really tough lineup to get through. Even when
Speaker 1: the pitch command is okay, like even guys are ex
Speaker 1: keeping pitches, it's still twenty pitch innings and then twenty
Speaker 1: pitch intings times two, twenty pitch inning times three, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden you do have to go
Speaker 1: with a bullpen earlier than you want.
Speaker 5: James, what do you make of the Red Sox toward run.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 7: It makes no sense to me. The pitching has been
Speaker 7: good all season, like Jim said, but you know, from
Speaker 7: what they're doing offensive, I thought, like William A. Brady
Speaker 7: has been better than his numbers this season, so to
Speaker 7: see him like, you know, kind of be unstoppable, that
Speaker 7: makes sense. But earlier this year, if he took Wilson
Speaker 7: Contrez out of this lineup, like they wouldn't do anything.
Speaker 7: And now it's seeing like the White Sox just be
Speaker 7: completely unable to get Andrew Montstereo out or any Siegler
Speaker 7: or Nick Soguard, you know, just being giving them like
Speaker 7: great at bats all throughout, Like is this a team
Speaker 7: wide heater? Like certainly they've got Caleb Durban back a
Speaker 7: lot better for him than he was first in half,
Speaker 7: or like did they really need to fire their hitting coach?
Speaker 7: And they did the right thing by overhauling their coaching
Speaker 7: staff to some degree. I don't know, but it's kind
Speaker 7: of surrealed. Like Connor Wong was someone that, like the
Speaker 7: whole fan base wanted to throw out of an airplane
Speaker 7: last year because it was like how he's hitting league
Speaker 7: average again, which to be fair, like Connor Wong was
Speaker 7: like looked like a decent hitting catcher earlier in his
Speaker 7: career and maybe last year is really the aberration. But
Speaker 7: like it's a lot of like they're all their role
Speaker 7: players just being on ten offensively in a way that
Speaker 7: like this was supposed to be the weakness of the
Speaker 7: team is like the lack of after the lineup and
Speaker 7: instead you're getting guys who probably weren't in their plan A.
Speaker 7: It's like they have like four Tristan Peters first Afterstan Peters,
Speaker 7: like in their lineup right now, who guys like yeah,
Speaker 7: the bones of like a decent role player in there,
Speaker 7: we're maybe always in there. But why why are they
Speaker 7: all like mashing to unstoppable degrees right at this moment? Obviously,
Speaker 7: like the first half of the season shows that the
Speaker 7: kid doesn't work all the time, and we overact those
Speaker 7: small sample stuff all the time.
Speaker 2: But it was really incredible just the degree to.
Speaker 7: Like an offense that doesn't seem like they should be
Speaker 7: at the height of their powers, you know, with no contrast,
Speaker 7: no Roman Anthony, just the only people who can get
Speaker 7: them out on the Sox staff is like Sean Berke
Speaker 7: working extremely hard, Grant Taylor working extremely hard, and like
Speaker 7: one pretty good Brian Hudson innings. It's been kind of freaky,
Speaker 7: so right now they certainly look like and it was.
Speaker 7: It's not an it's not a hard al to quickly
Speaker 7: rise up the hierarchy of but it looked like top
Speaker 7: three in the AL at the moment pretty easily. And
Speaker 7: if you are skeptical at Aaron Judge coming back, you
Speaker 7: could probably convince yourself or you know you worry about
Speaker 7: like the the role player bottom half of the Rais offense,
Speaker 7: you can probably convince yourself to move them up a
Speaker 7: certain spot in the archy from that top three as well.
Speaker 6: That's a good point. James, like if to do the
Speaker 6: power rankings, which Buster Oldney kind of went a little
Speaker 6: viral on baseball social media when they were trying to
Speaker 6: power rank the top five American League teams, and he
Speaker 6: had Seattle in the mix.
Speaker 5: Cleveland. I think he listed to them as number one.
Speaker 6: It's not looking good for both Busters power rankings, but
Speaker 6: I do feel like I wonder if Boston is now
Speaker 6: the team to beat in the American League, even though
Speaker 6: the season were to end the day they're the fifth seed,
Speaker 6: like they would start the postseason on the road, but
Speaker 6: to make up as much ground as they have. They
Speaker 6: were fourteen and a half games back the Yankees before
Speaker 6: this tour run. Now they're just a half game back.
Speaker 6: They're definitely in the race of the American League East.
Speaker 6: That division is now a true three team race between
Speaker 6: the Rays, Yankees, and Red Sox, and whoever finished his
Speaker 6: third is going to have to start the postseason on
Speaker 6: the road. Boston has really made this American League very
Speaker 6: interesting and it does not matter as far as the
Speaker 6: quality of the team. They just destroy everyone in their path.
Speaker 6: So for White Sox fans trying to find some solace
Speaker 6: of what happened this week in Boston, there you go.
Speaker 6: Everyone's in the same boat right now when they're going
Speaker 6: up against the mighty Red Sox. We're going to take
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Speaker 6: And like I mentioned, the Cleveland Guardians now visit Chicago.
Speaker 6: The Guardians are fifty seven and fifty nine on the season.
Speaker 6: They've lost their last three games, again being swept by
Speaker 6: the New York Mets at home.
Speaker 5: In their last ten. The Guardians are slipping.
Speaker 6: They are three and seven away from Cleveland, though they've
Speaker 6: been playing a lot better. They're twenty nine to twenty
Speaker 6: eight this season in road games. You're bitching brables for
Speaker 6: this series Friday night. This is a first pitch time
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Speaker 6: take the ball for the Guardians against Noah Schultz Saturday.
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Speaker 6: As will be Gavin Williams taking the ball for the
Speaker 6: Guardians against Anthony k for the White Sox. Saturday is
Speaker 6: also Asie Gean's jersey retirement ceremony. That retirement ceremony if
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Speaker 6: take the ball for the Guardians, first time he'll be
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Speaker 5: The ball for the Chicago White Sox. And like I mentioned,
Speaker 5: this is a.
Speaker 6: Very big series for the White Sox and also for
Speaker 6: the Guardians. I think I feel like there's a lot
Speaker 6: of pressure James on the Guardians coming to this series.
Speaker 5: Especially when reading this.
Speaker 6: Morning, a lot of Guardians outlets feel like Cleveland really
Speaker 6: dropped the ball here, especially with the White Sox having
Speaker 6: a tough series against Boston to make up no ground.
Speaker 6: If Cleveland stumbles again and the White Sox were to
Speaker 6: sweep the Guardians, the White Sox clinched this season series,
Speaker 6: so that's another typebreaker that Cleveland will lose. But from
Speaker 6: a White Sox perspective, with just how tax the bullpen
Speaker 6: is after this series against Boston and a late night
Speaker 6: having to fly back home from Boston. This is a
Speaker 6: big game for Noah Schultz, so this is a great
Speaker 6: time for him to have the best game of his
Speaker 6: young career.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 7: It's never a bad time to have best end of
Speaker 7: your career. So sure, I suppose like if he had
Speaker 7: the best game of his career like second week of
Speaker 7: spring training, that would seem like a waste, But then
Speaker 7: we'd probably do a whole podcast segment about whether he
Speaker 7: should be the opening starter, and that would provide us
Speaker 7: a week of content.
Speaker 2: So never a bad time. That said, you know.
Speaker 7: His last start against the Rays certainly looked, you know,
Speaker 7: shortless contender for his best in the major leagues in
Speaker 7: terms of you know, strike throwing, getting weak round balls
Speaker 7: the way that you know, kind of looked like himself
Speaker 7: and the miners. And you heard him post game kind
Speaker 7: of reiterating that he felt like he was pitching the
Speaker 7: way that he did when he was successful to the miners,
Speaker 7: working east west, you know, getting the cutter or the
Speaker 7: new sinker in on right hands and then playing the
Speaker 7: cutter off of that, you know, only really you know,
Speaker 7: getting working right handers in, so they could then throw
Speaker 7: change ups off the outer edge of the plate withs
Speaker 7: off that like he did the Junior Campanaro. He he
Speaker 7: he's asserted himself like I'm an east west pitcher. That's
Speaker 7: where I'm best is something he was saying, you know,
Speaker 7: post game after that, and with the Guardians being a
Speaker 7: lefty heavy lineup, you would think that this is an
Speaker 7: opportunity where he could do that successfully. It's usually more
Speaker 7: opposite handed hitters that you know, he gets stressed on
Speaker 7: that he needs to work vertically or pop the four
Speaker 7: seamer in to be viable. You would think against a
Speaker 7: lot of if the likes of like Stephen Kwan or
Speaker 7: I don't even know if the Guardians will play like
Speaker 7: Nathaniel Lowe against them, like these are guys he could
Speaker 7: kind of go to the width of the plate on
Speaker 7: work sinkers inside, throw kind of the maybe the more
Speaker 7: east west sweeper against and be effective. You know, the
Speaker 7: Guardians don't necessarily until Jose Ramirez is up and running
Speaker 7: and functioning and you know, looking as dangerous as old self,
Speaker 7: don't have a ton of right handed weapons, uh to
Speaker 7: really counter him or scare him.
Speaker 2: With that said, they just.
Speaker 7: Traded for Joe Odell, who a flawed hitter but certainly
Speaker 7: a powerful one. And I don't want to batch his
Speaker 7: name because I think he's really good. But they just
Speaker 7: called up anal Leanou, who I think is going to
Speaker 7: be the bane of the existence of this part of
Speaker 7: town for probably next you know, it's the Guardian. So
Speaker 7: let's say four to five years before he gets too
Speaker 7: pricey in a arbitration. But he's someone who could be
Speaker 7: interesting in the series for sure, even though it's like,
Speaker 7: I don't know his third, fourth and fifth career game,
Speaker 7: so maybe maybe some reasonable expectations there, and also some
Speaker 7: ground ball tendencies that you know, Schultz look to exploit
Speaker 7: to some degree. But yeah, Schultz needs length. Hey, talking
Speaker 7: about someone like you're not sure how long they let
Speaker 7: him go even when things are running more so than
Speaker 7: Louis Castillo. Is Schultz that you know you haven't seen,
Speaker 7: like get pushed to one hundred pitches or anything like that.
Speaker 2: Does he do that?
Speaker 7: If he gets through five six innings without much damage
Speaker 7: when you don't have really much to turn through the
Speaker 7: bullpen besides me, be you know, Sean Newcomb or backspack
Speaker 7: days from Jordan Hicks or Brian Hudson, which probably is
Speaker 7: limited to an inning.
Speaker 2: That'll be interesting to see.
Speaker 7: But you would think this is I haven't checked the
Speaker 7: numbers today, but a lot of this season the Guardians
Speaker 7: have spent being the worst scoring offense in the league.
Speaker 7: This would be a nice time for Schultz, who seems
Speaker 7: like he should match up well if things are functioning
Speaker 7: to kind of exploit that.
Speaker 6: So then on the flip side, Jim, because of the
Speaker 6: uncertainty when it comes to the White Sox bullpen and
Speaker 6: their usage, We're assuming Sean Newcomb could be available for
Speaker 6: the White Sox today, but they are a tired group.
Speaker 6: This would be a great weekend as well for the
Speaker 6: White Sox offense to duplicate what he did on Thursday
Speaker 6: against Boston, which has put up a bunch of runs,
Speaker 6: to at least build up that margin of air for
Speaker 6: White Sox pitchers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just a tough slate of pitchers to do
Speaker 1: that against, with Messick and Williams and Cantillo. But what
Speaker 1: going through the last month in month in a box
Speaker 1: for July, it was kind of fascinating in terms of
Speaker 1: run differential. They were well in the black run scored.
Speaker 1: They were top half in the league terms of ops
Speaker 1: or you know, w RC plus the slash line. They
Speaker 1: were bottom ten offense, and I think that reflects maybe
Speaker 1: what you're seeing when it comes to the White Sox
Speaker 1: when when they're on, they can score runs in bunches,
Speaker 1: they can get to a bullpen early, they can they
Speaker 1: ca them throw position players put the game away when
Speaker 1: it's not working. A lot of close games, a lot
Speaker 1: of you know, innings where they have to rely on
Speaker 1: a walk and hit by a pitch and try to
Speaker 1: string together, you know, three at bats in a row
Speaker 1: and it doesn't quite work, and they have a bad
Speaker 1: performance runners, scoring position because all these plate appearances are
Speaker 1: so hard won. So it's a part of the season
Speaker 1: I think where you know, we spent last few days
Speaker 1: since the trade deadline talking about the White Sox approach
Speaker 1: and getting right handed bats, but maybe not right handed
Speaker 1: bats that are infant solutions like Brenton Doyle seems like
Speaker 1: a project. Joey Bart before he got hurt, was not
Speaker 1: somebody expected a whole lot from and this could be
Speaker 1: a series with Mesic and Cantillo going from left side
Speaker 1: to where you feel like, maybe did they do enough
Speaker 1: against lefties? Are they still this kind of lineup that
Speaker 1: with sam an't nacchia, with Kristan Peters being the second
Speaker 1: half version who's not offering a whole lot and needing
Speaker 1: a whole lot of Luis on Helicunya, and you have
Speaker 1: your coolson Montgomery being better against lefties and kind of
Speaker 1: needing that weird mix. Do they have enough against lefties
Speaker 1: to you know, routinely compete or not have to rely
Speaker 1: on great pitching performances, a great bullpen performances to gut
Speaker 1: games out. So yeah, it's a series where the Guardians
Speaker 1: offensive struggled all year, but the White Sox haven't looked
Speaker 1: great as of late. So you know, I think all
Speaker 1: the games but one so far this season have been
Speaker 1: sided by one run with the White Sox and Guardians,
Speaker 1: and the lone exception was a two run game. And
Speaker 1: it does feel like one way or another, be it's
Speaker 1: like a couple of disappointing starting performances from each side
Speaker 1: or just lack of offense throughout that it could be
Speaker 1: more of the same of just low scoring, close games
Speaker 1: that make both fan bases terearor their hair outs.
Speaker 6: And that's exactly what the White Sox need, right, especially
Speaker 6: after Thursday night Jim another cut wrenching game.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, we've heard a lot about how
Speaker 1: Trevor Richards will take the ball at any point, like
Speaker 1: this would be a game I give you pitches today,
Speaker 1: just like let's test that. Let's test how much you
Speaker 1: want to pitch. Trevor Richards. I'm gonna need two more
Speaker 1: from me again.
Speaker 6: Yeah, when they're up fifteen to one, right, that's fine,
Speaker 6: they're a fifty to one.
Speaker 5: Netting to eight sitting, I'll be I'll be fine.
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Speaker 6: And with that game being on Fox, big pitching matchup
Speaker 6: for Cleveland, They're going to have Gavin Williams, one of
Speaker 6: their aces that lead that staff very impressive arsenal against
Speaker 6: White Sox hitters. So I ask you, guys, with that
Speaker 6: big matchup White Sox Hitters against Gavin Williams, James Vegan,
Speaker 6: who who is your pick to click to have a
Speaker 6: successful game against Gavin Williams on Fox.
Speaker 7: I would like maybe less so a pick to click
Speaker 7: as a hey, they really need this to succeed. But
Speaker 7: I'm going to talk to Murakami is slugging six twenty
Speaker 7: one against for Steamers this season. He also misses them
Speaker 7: a ton because he misses everything a ton, that's the
Speaker 7: nature of his swing.
Speaker 2: But Gavi Williams is a big, you know, forcing guy.
Speaker 7: You know he uses a sweeper a bit more, which
Speaker 7: Murakami doesn't do great against. But you don't see a
Speaker 7: ton of like right handers using sweepers against left anders
Speaker 7: in a way where like I think the big challenge is,
Speaker 7: like is the strength versus strength, Whether he can kind
Speaker 7: of get on top and drive you know, sweeper force
Speaker 7: seamers from Gavin Williams, who obviously throws extremely hard, is
Speaker 7: part of it more than really even the shape of
Speaker 7: his four steamer uh And Murkami has been one of
Speaker 7: the most productive hitters against uh you know, ninety five
Speaker 7: plus in the league. Again, not because he makes contact
Speaker 7: with it at a particularly high rate. It's a rather
Speaker 7: low one, but he tends to do a lot when
Speaker 7: he does so. With Cleveland's offense, with their preference to
Speaker 7: low scoring games, a couple of big swings for Murakami
Speaker 7: can go a long way. Figurdaiblian Literally, this would seem
Speaker 7: like as far as like right handed for steamers, much
Speaker 7: more so than maybe Colson Montgomery. He's swing his shape
Speaker 7: to take advantage of Murakami. Seems like the guy to
Speaker 7: do something against Agains Williams if they're going to do something, all.
Speaker 6: Right, So James Lakes Murkammi Jim, who is your fake
Speaker 6: to click against Gavin Williams on.
Speaker 1: Fox at the risk of simply going to the hottest hitter,
Speaker 1: Chase Madro last twenty five games is a three hundred
Speaker 1: and four hundred, five hundred hitter in terms of his
Speaker 1: slash line. Really seems like he's coming to his own,
Speaker 1: you know, when you look at his triple A profile,
Speaker 1: great platess plan, a lot of walks, not a lot
Speaker 1: of strikeouts, working deep counts, showing a little bit of pop.
Speaker 1: Seemed like when he got to the majors, pitchers didn't
Speaker 1: necessarily respect the power enough to not attack him, and
Speaker 1: so you saw the strikeouts take up, the walks tick down,
Speaker 1: and then he's just more of an ordinary bat with
Speaker 1: a good glove at second base, but somebody who might
Speaker 1: need platoon help or might need to be replaced at
Speaker 1: some point, be more of a utility guy. But yeah,
Speaker 1: last twenty five games, we saw it in Boston, just
Speaker 1: pulling the ball in the air to left field. Williams
Speaker 1: is not somebody who kills Righty's as alrighty. He's more
Speaker 1: of even splits, or he's not especially a weapon against righty.
Speaker 1: So perhaps midrath his current form where he just looks
Speaker 1: like he's locked in and really the best version of
Speaker 1: himself when it comes to bringing pitchers towards him and
Speaker 1: driving the ball. It's certainly a tall asked for him
Speaker 1: to keep it going against the pitcher Williams caliber, but
Speaker 1: in this current form he's doing as much as anybody
Speaker 1: right now to do that.
Speaker 5: My pick to click is Miguel Vargas.
Speaker 6: Vargas has the most success against Gavin Williams in the
Speaker 6: White Sox lineup. Miguel Vargas is four for eight in
Speaker 6: his career against Gavin Williams with a home run. If
Speaker 6: you're also looking for any other type of success for
Speaker 6: White Sox hitters, Andrew Benattendi does have one hit against
Speaker 6: Gavin Williams, but that was a big hit.
Speaker 5: As he drove in three RBIs. It would be a
Speaker 5: tough test for the White Sox.
Speaker 6: But again, Guardians White Sox Saturday at six to ten
Speaker 6: pm Central Time on Fox or you can watch the
Speaker 6: game on foxone dot com. And the other big game
Speaker 6: for the White Sox is on Sunday. And the reason
Speaker 6: why this is a big game is because James, I
Speaker 6: think for White Sox fans and I think that this
Speaker 6: is a fair concern. Is what is going on with
Speaker 6: Davis Martin and his last starts. At seven starts, Davis
Speaker 6: Martin has only pitched thirty four in a third innings.
Speaker 6: It is a six point five to five earned run
Speaker 6: average with just twenty strikeouts to fourteen walks. It feels
Speaker 6: like this is a big.
Speaker 5: Start for Martin.
Speaker 6: There was a talk about him tipping pitches, possibly in
Speaker 6: his last outing against Boston. So I ask you, James,
Speaker 6: what should White Sox fans expect from Davis smart on
Speaker 6: Sunday against Cleveland.
Speaker 7: I don't know, man, I think I flipped a question
Speaker 7: to you to what games do you think are not
Speaker 7: big games?
Speaker 2: Because it seems like we don't.
Speaker 6: Well, every game is from now on for the White Sox. Yes,
Speaker 6: is a big game.
Speaker 5: Yes, maybe maybe not the.
Speaker 6: Ones against Cincinnati so much, but this one definitely carries
Speaker 6: more weight.
Speaker 7: So he sounds like, you know, he felt that there
Speaker 7: was a tip that they identified against the Red Sox,
Speaker 7: not that it like you know, fixing on the fly
Speaker 7: got him, you know, through six innings, frankly, Red Sox
Speaker 7: against White Sox, like everybody's tipping to a degree. Martin
Speaker 7: said that, you know, at the All Star break, you know,
Speaker 7: he was irritated with the level of walks and the
Speaker 7: kind of like horizontal misses he was having, and that's
Speaker 7: that's what he went to back to pitching her works
Speaker 7: in Oklahoma City, tiring out to be in the zone
Speaker 7: more often. Running an article about that right before or
Speaker 7: he you know, gave up six runs in the first
Speaker 7: inning set me up to be epically clowned on social
Speaker 7: media app But that's that's life.
Speaker 2: He was in the zone.
Speaker 7: What's kind of concerned me with both that outing and
Speaker 7: hasn't necessarily been addressed by him getting the zone more,
Speaker 7: is that, like at his peak, when he was dominating
Speaker 7: may you were seeing more of the spikes of upper
Speaker 7: nineties and seeing like a couple outings where he like,
Speaker 7: I want to say, like Angels and I would definitely
Speaker 7: want to say the Cubs one where he looked like
Speaker 7: really like next level in terms of his stuff. You
Speaker 7: were seeing him like average ninety five with his fastball
Speaker 7: in his outings, and more recently it's in that ninety
Speaker 7: three territory where you know he's thrown some singers in
Speaker 7: ninety one. It's just like not seeing like the upper
Speaker 7: tier of his Velocity band very frequently. And yeah, that
Speaker 7: feels like a simplistic and crude way to like generalize,
Speaker 7: And I'm sure he'd talk about how more pitching execution
Speaker 7: is like what's really important at the end of the day.
Speaker 7: But like there's a pretty strong correlation between you know,
Speaker 7: just being more hit able even when you're locating and
Speaker 7: just like not seeing the velocity you know that he's
Speaker 7: he's touted at times and having to be a bit
Speaker 7: more fine against teams you know they can really have thunder.
Speaker 7: Now maybe the Guardians are as well as the Blue
Speaker 7: Jays were out of the break, are kind of a
Speaker 7: welcome exemption from that to some degree where he can
Speaker 7: get soft contact or get more you know contact, he
Speaker 7: can work around a bit more. But in terms of
Speaker 7: like a guy who everyone was talking about, like at
Speaker 7: least in terms of coaching staff and managing him, like
Speaker 7: always he's racked up a lot of innings in the
Speaker 7: first half, or we want to give him like a
Speaker 7: break at the All Star break, seeing like his velo
Speaker 7: kind of tail off as he heads into like kind
Speaker 7: of the upper bounds of like innings he's handled before
Speaker 7: in a season. You wonder, like, is that something that
Speaker 7: can be addressed through mechanics. Is that something that can
Speaker 7: shape up with time or is that something that like
Speaker 7: he's going to have to like work around. And it
Speaker 7: looks more like the David Martin of the past two years,
Speaker 7: which is like a reliable back end starter, but you know,
Speaker 7: someone who you know, really has to be on his
Speaker 7: game and can't get away with as many mistakes or
Speaker 7: just challenge guys as aggressively as he was doing in
Speaker 7: the first half of the season, where it just seemed
Speaker 7: like he had picked up to a new level things
Speaker 7: like this turn. You know, Sean Burke obviously started throwing
Speaker 7: harder midseason by finding a mechanical thing, and you know.
Speaker 2: If Martin was able to do that, that could be
Speaker 2: a game changer.
Speaker 7: But like until we see something else or a better
Speaker 7: sampled or we just get fooled by you know him,
Speaker 7: you know, flattening a terrible offense and convinced he's fixed.
Speaker 7: H It's kind of like all right, that that's kind
Speaker 7: of the thing I have my eye on as far
Speaker 7: as like can he tick up results wise until before
Speaker 7: this ticks up or finds some other thing that you know,
Speaker 7: gets him an edge that gets them back to you know,
Speaker 7: the career best performance he was doing in the first
Speaker 7: two months of the season.
Speaker 5: No, that's good stuff, James.
Speaker 6: So that's something to watch for for those that are
Speaker 6: watching the video or listening to the podcast recording for
Speaker 6: Davis Morning, especially with this heater on Sunday. But to
Speaker 6: wrap up as far as this episode, Jim, I feel
Speaker 6: like this weekend is also going to be a good
Speaker 6: test for.
Speaker 5: Will Venable the manager.
Speaker 6: Not the best situation that he's coming into your team
Speaker 6: is exhausted, a gut wrenching loss, and now they have
Speaker 6: to fly back home. And I'm sure they don't need
Speaker 6: a lot of motivation to get up and get ready
Speaker 6: to take on the Cleveland Guardians. But I do feel
Speaker 6: like this is a good test on how you try
Speaker 6: to manage as far as the roster and get their
Speaker 6: heads straight and trying to not to use a pagrickrifall term,
Speaker 6: but flush out what happened in Boston and start a
Speaker 6: new in Chicago. So I'm curious to see on how
Speaker 6: Will Venable and the White Sox react this weekend against
Speaker 6: the Guardians at home.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a bet theme. At least early in the
Speaker 1: season first half in the White Sox had such a
Speaker 1: home heavy success, you know, win percentage, and they would
Speaker 1: go on the road trip, lose both series, come back
Speaker 1: to Chicago and think as the bottom gonna fall out.
Speaker 1: Is this the ruts that kind of sinks them under
Speaker 1: five hundred and sure enough we are into August and
Speaker 1: they still haven't lost four games in a row. I'll
Speaker 1: be tested tonights. They have another three game losing streak.
Speaker 1: But they've been in this position before, and we've seen
Speaker 1: the White Sox talk about they're not struggling. They you
Speaker 1: know they're gonna lose three games in a row over
Speaker 1: the course of the season. There's not going to be
Speaker 1: this kind of slump that encompasses the whole team. You're
Speaker 1: not going to see this team get down. You're gonna
Speaker 1: see Mike Vassal waves wand and you're going to see
Speaker 1: another breakoup performance. Everybody is more or less back where
Speaker 1: they need to be. And then they win like both
Speaker 1: home series and they finished another month with the winning record.
Speaker 1: So we've seen the White Sox in this position before.
Speaker 1: I think this is the most extreme straits they've been
Speaker 1: in in terms of just how guessed they should be
Speaker 1: based on Pitcher's usage, based on the way the Red
Speaker 1: Sox put them through the ringer the way the White
Speaker 1: Sox have to use every pitcher and Eric Fetty and
Speaker 1: extra innings, so this will be tested. If they do
Speaker 1: win tonight, then yeah, I guess they're never gonna lose
Speaker 1: four games in a row the rest of the season.
Speaker 1: You can more or less just try to figure out,
Speaker 1: like how many games they win in between three game
Speaker 1: losing streaks. But yeah, I think they're due for one
Speaker 1: four game skin, maybe even five, like every team does it.
Speaker 1: So if they lose tonight's say, like not the worst
Speaker 1: thing in the world. I think they probably have to
Speaker 1: have a game at some point this weekend where they
Speaker 1: might have to use a reliever they don't want to
Speaker 1: use in a certain situation to get through, have to
Speaker 1: take a bet or a gamble on somebody, need to
Speaker 1: hope that they can get a score listening when maybe
Speaker 1: you wouldn't want Sony pitching the seventh or eighth of
Speaker 1: a Winter Run game. But yeah, they've certainly been this
Speaker 1: position before, and they've more or less mocked fans who
Speaker 1: are ready or sports radio wherever you want to say
Speaker 1: is reacting or overreacting to brush themselves off. So yeah,
Speaker 1: certainly attest to the resilience.
Speaker 6: They play so well at home this season, especially like
Speaker 6: on Friday and Saturday nights. They really amplify as far
Speaker 6: as their.
Speaker 5: Game when the stadium is packed, and it's going to
Speaker 5: be a very packed rate Field over the weekend.
Speaker 6: Saturday's game is completely sold out, not just tickets but
Speaker 6: also parking as well. It could be close to forty
Speaker 6: thousand fans on Saturday. It's going to be more than
Speaker 6: thirty five thousand on Friday. So if the White Sox
Speaker 6: bats jump out quick, if Noah Schultz can lock it down,
Speaker 6: Rate Field could be rocking this weekend. And that's exciting
Speaker 6: for us because before this season started, we picked the
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Speaker 5: First Bitches schedule, that's six point fifteen.
Speaker 6: Ozzy Gean's retirement jersey ceremony is scheduled for five fifteen,
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