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Speaker 1: But when you run down a motorman out working a

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Speaker 1: Monday night, thirty two year old Jessica Beauvais of Hempstead

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Speaker 1: NYPD officer Anastasio Sakos as he directed traffic away from

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Speaker 1: an all star panel to make sense of what is happening.

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Speaker 1: First of all, doctor Sherry Schortz, forensic psychologist specializing in

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Speaker 1: Less than eight percent. Cheryl McCollum, forensic expert and director

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Speaker 1: of the Coldcase Research Institute. You can find her at

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Speaker 1: Coldcase Crimes dot org. Serena Fazzon, four time Emmy Award

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Speaker 1: a podcast on the Record with Serena Fazon also with Me.

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Speaker 1: Special guest today, Timothy McEwen, former motorman APD, now a

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Speaker 1: So the fact that she was that high after that

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Speaker 1: many hours means that she was probably more likely you know,

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Speaker 1: a point one eighth or a point two. Oh, you

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Speaker 1: just don't know. But I want to I want to

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Speaker 1: piggyback on something y'all were talking about about the way

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Speaker 1: she's acting. I spent eight years at the Fort County jail,

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Speaker 1: and I can tell you a lot of these ogs

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Speaker 1: and gangstause. Once they're in that jail cell, they start

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Speaker 1: to cry. And what she did, she was big and

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Speaker 1: bad behind that microphone. But what happened once os handcuffs

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Speaker 1: her own. Oh she's sorry, now she's crying. She ain't

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Speaker 1: big and bad. They're weak. They're punks, and that's the

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Speaker 1: reason they act like they do their bulletproof until all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, the real police are responding to a

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Speaker 1: real situation and they, like the name of her podcast,

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Speaker 1: has to face the reality. Take a listen to our

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Speaker 1: Cuddy eleven A. This is Jessica Bouvet's police statements. What happened?

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Speaker 1: Family party? What are you sorry for? I'm sorry? What

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Speaker 1: do you want to say? The officers? Family? Where are

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Speaker 1: you coming from? The reality is is that she hit

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Speaker 1: a vehicle, reversed going about ninety mph, reversed and then

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Speaker 1: took down the officer. And I would argue, Cheryl McCollum

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Speaker 1: did this is no accident, This is no crash because

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Speaker 1: it is a very intentional decision to drink vodka, to

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Speaker 1: do shots, to drink wine, to moat pot to then

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Speaker 1: go get your car keys, to then go to your car,

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Speaker 1: crank up your car, put it in reverse, put it

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Speaker 1: in drive, get out on the highway, get to a

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Speaker 1: m in the morning. All of those are intentional acts.

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Speaker 1: And it is only when we treat these cases as murder,

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Speaker 1: a felony murder, a DUI felony death. Will this ever stop?

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Speaker 1: I wonder how that's what Emily is feeling right now,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean she's also a mother of a

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Speaker 1: of a child too, so many that child now again,

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Speaker 1: believe me, I'm not a kid at all, as you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm on this poor, poor officers side and his family.

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Speaker 1: But now think a look at her thirteen year old son. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's go back to that. She got in trouble starting

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Speaker 1: in two thy fifteen for not paying the DMV. They

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Speaker 1: suspended her license only after years of her not Hey,

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Speaker 1: she hasn't cared. She put that child in a car

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Speaker 1: knowing she had a suspended license. She's probably driven drunk

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Speaker 1: with that child. A multiple are the stature on McCollum's

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Speaker 1: not just you spouting it out. Statistics show that for

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Speaker 1: every time a duy has stopped, how many times have

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Speaker 1: they driven drunk? At least fifty Nancy fifty a d

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Speaker 1: Twenty nine people a day die because of impaired driving.

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Speaker 1: That's ten thousand people a year, and we don't think

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Speaker 1: that's an epidemic. How many officers dead will it take

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Speaker 1: before cases like this are treated as murder. What about

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Speaker 1: a Virginia police officer dragged along on a traffic stop?

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to cut twelve. This is Chelsea Donoman

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Speaker 1: w T k Art News three, January twenty third, twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty end of watch for Officer Katie Thine. As we

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Speaker 1: go forward and days will be challenging, fighting back tears,

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Speaker 1: A raw, unfiltered Chief Steve Drew remembers a twenty four

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Speaker 1: year old full of life and spirit. If you ever

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Speaker 1: met her, if you ever saw her, all she did

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Speaker 1: with smile, you'd almost start to laugh at her because

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Speaker 1: she was always smiling. A bright, shining light who was

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Speaker 1: sworn in just last June, Catherine. She proudly wore her

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Speaker 1: badge until Thursday night, when she was killed in the

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Speaker 1: line of duty while making a traffic stop. She wanted

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Speaker 1: to be in law enforcement, and she wanted to do

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Speaker 1: it in the city. Reports of drugs near monitor Merrimac

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Speaker 1: Overlooked Park prompted two officers to respond. Fine being one

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Speaker 1: the officers approached the driver within a split second tragedy.

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Speaker 1: As the driver hit the gas she was drug outside

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Speaker 1: the vehicle for about a block. The vehicle came to

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Speaker 1: rest as it smashed into a tree. Another motor cop

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Speaker 1: dragged along. Officers then are not in their car, They're

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Speaker 1: not sitting behind a desk, they're not inside of a structure.

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Speaker 1: They are out in the elements, doing their job, and

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Speaker 1: they die. When you hear this woman Jessica Bouvo's podcast

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Speaker 1: ranting about how much she hates the cops, how much

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Speaker 1: she wants them dead, comparing them to roaches infesting her neighborhood,

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Speaker 1: then goes right out and runs one down and then

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Speaker 1: blubbers and cries about it for the TV cameras. I'm

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Speaker 1: not buying that you just heard about yet another cop

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Speaker 1: dragged at the scene. Well, that was in Florida. Take

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Speaker 1: a listen to this. We're getting our first look tonight

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Speaker 1: at body camera footage of a New or Police lieutenant

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Speaker 1: being dragged during a traffic stop in Brooklyn. The cop

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Speaker 1: talking to a driver just before four this morning in

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Speaker 1: the Brownsville section. Suddenly the car takes off in reverse,

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Speaker 1: the cop with injuries to his arms and his legs.

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Speaker 1: Police later arrested thirty two year old DAKEM. Newsom on

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Speaker 1: Long Island. That's Bill Rider, ABC seven. Oh yeah, and

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Speaker 1: by the way, he was recently arrested in North Carolina

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Speaker 1: and extradited back for a prior shooting and was released

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Speaker 1: on bail too. And can I interject something please do?

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Speaker 1: Is that doctor Kendall Crowns. I was just about to

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Speaker 1: ask you about her body weight and being point one

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Speaker 1: five she looks very slight, But go ahead with your

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Speaker 1: thought please. Well, it's just so listening to the video

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Speaker 1: and her rant about the law enforcement, and then you know,

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Speaker 1: very shortly thereafter, she ends up killing an officer. The

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Speaker 1: thing the problem I have is is if you take

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Speaker 1: the car out of the equation and turn it into

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Speaker 1: a gun and she goes and shoots an officer, he

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Speaker 1: would call it homicide. I still feel like a car

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Speaker 1: is a weapon and you can use it to kill people.

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Speaker 1: So to me, listening to her video and her vial

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Speaker 1: and hatred that she's spewing about law enforcement and then

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Speaker 1: an officer ends up dead shortly thereafter. Yes, I understand

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Speaker 1: she's intoxicated, but often, you know, alcohol gives you liquid courage,

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Speaker 1: so you end up doing something dumb or something you

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Speaker 1: wouldn't have done otherwise. So to me, it's it's difficult

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Speaker 1: to separate that case and just say oh, well, it's

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Speaker 1: an accident. It's almost to me it sounds like a homicide.

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Speaker 1: Of course, I don't know how the medical examiner in

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Speaker 1: New York signed it out, but it's very questionable if

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Speaker 1: you could rule that an accident, because it's very disturbing timeline.

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Speaker 1: And again I say, if you remove the car, put

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Speaker 1: in a gun, people would call it a homicide all

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Speaker 1: day long. But because it's a car, it gets kind

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Speaker 1: of in some people feel, oh, well, you know, her

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Speaker 1: intention probably wasn't to kill him. You got to wonder,

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Speaker 1: with all that she's saying on that video if her

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Speaker 1: intention was not to hit an officer because obviously they

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Speaker 1: were out there, Obviously there was lights and that people

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Speaker 1: moving around. And yes, I understand she's heavily intoxicated, but

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Speaker 1: still you got to wonder if she and intentionally hit him.

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Speaker 1: Nancy cannot please hold on just for a moment, Doctor Kennel.

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Speaker 1: Crown's chief Medical Examiner, Austin, you're preaching to the choir,

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Speaker 1: and I must say I have to say this, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: That is something I never thought of, but that really wow.

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Speaker 1: He's right to him MCU and he's absolutely right. We've

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Speaker 1: heard of death by Mercedes where the dentist wife rode

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Speaker 1: over the dentist and then backed up over him and

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Speaker 1: killed him. We've heard of it so many times, and

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Speaker 1: we also know legally reasoning that voluntary use of drugs

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Speaker 1: or alcohol is not a defense. So why is it

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Speaker 1: that a vehicular homicide duy is treated so much, almost

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Speaker 1: like an involuntary manslaughter. If drinking and dope is not

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Speaker 1: a defense under the law, then why is this treated

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Speaker 1: differently when your weapon is a car and not gun.

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Speaker 1: What were you saying, cherylmnna call him? I was saying,

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Speaker 1: He's absolutely right, Nancy, because if you said we have

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Speaker 1: a rape, he can't say, hey, I was drunk, or

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Speaker 1: if you have any other situation where somebody is killed

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Speaker 1: a dry by shooting, Hey we were just smoking weed.

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Speaker 1: We didn't mean to kill anybody. Doesn't matter. It's murder

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Speaker 1: right here. It's this twisted, bastardizing of what should be

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Speaker 1: moral and right and legal. The fact that you're drunk

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Speaker 1: now almost not murder. As one family prepares for a

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Speaker 1: funeral for a husband, a father, this woman is preparing

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Speaker 1: her death dancing. You better bet your bottom dollar that

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Speaker 1: podcast will be coming into evidence, and do not plead

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Speaker 1: this out cheap. As a matter of fact, I call

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Speaker 1: for an enhancement of the charges. We are watching Nancy

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Speaker 1: Grace Kids story, signing off goodbye,