WEBVTT - Culture Clash 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:02.240 I think the thing that I want to most say 0:00:02.279 --> 0:00:06.000 about what we're doing here is that we've always had 0:00:06.040 --> 0:00:08.920 this feeling that somehow we can just work it out. 0:00:09.000 --> 0:00:12.680 But there's another species that wants to talk to us. 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:15.560 They'll say what's on their mind, We'll say what's on 0:00:15.640 --> 0:00:19.720 our mind. Some kind of confusion will exist, and maybe 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:24.320 harmony will happen. But then again, Brent, I remember back 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:30.160 to the very beginning, of course, when we were much younger, 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:34.280 and there was the Twilight Zone episode called to Serve Man, right, yes, 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:35.960 and what happened this other race? 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:37.479 And I loved it as a kid. 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:41.720 The super tall, weird looking dudes showed up and they 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:43.960 wore these long kind of gowns and they had their 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:47.960 spacecraft and they said that they were here to help us. 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:48.840 And they did right. 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:52.760 Then they made the Desert's bloom and yes, yep, it 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:54.840 was great. And then we got a hold of their 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:58.080 book and it said to Serve Man, and everybody. 0:00:57.680 --> 0:01:00.800 Is this is so freaking great. Are here to help 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:01.720 right now? 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:04.200 As a kid, I didn't realize that, but today you'd say, 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:05.919 thank god, somebody is here. 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:07.840 To help, right exactly? 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:11.720 We sure need some help. But so the main character 0:01:11.800 --> 0:01:13.720 and the Twilight Zone that is like twenty two and 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:16.720 a half minutes of programming or something, so it goes fast. 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:19.520 But this one guy who's been sort of the leader 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:21.560 of the band is getting on this flight. He's going 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:24.760 to go to their home planet. And the people who 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:27.679 have been looking into trying to translate the How to 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:30.520 Serve a Man book yell at him, don't get on 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:31.440 the ship. 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:37.600 And why because he's going to be dinner. It's a cookbook. Wow. 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:40.120 I don't know when you first saw that one as 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:41.600 a kid. What's your what was your take? 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:45.760 Honestly, I was of the age when I first started 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:49.560 watching The Twilight Zone where pretty much every episode upset 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:52.520 me or scared me or something, and that I think 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:55.600 that probably the idea that aliens were going to eat 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:58.800 us stayed with me for longer than I would have liked. 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:02.400 I think the interest things, it's something that we culturally 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:05.200 still carry around with us, that we still worry about. 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:10.840 What if that's their intent, what if they're fattening us up, 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:13.080 or what if they're keeping us alive so that and 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:16.320 that they're farming us. We've heard all of these these theories. 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:18.440 All of it, and in fact we hear it often 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:21.680 with the cattle mutilations out there, It's like, Okay, if 0:02:21.720 --> 0:02:25.760 it's really NHI that are mutilating cattle and draining in 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:28.840 them of their blood and taking their vital organs, how 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:30.720 do we know they're not doing that to us? There 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:35.840 have been reports of human mutilations, fewer, I think, I hope. Anyway, 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:37.960 the thing I want to just land the table for 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:40.960 us right now is back when Dolan and I were 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:43.960 writing Ad After Disclosure, it was I believe it was. 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:46.280 Twenty ten when we were writing it. 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:49.520 Okay, so yeah, I know it does seem it's like 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:55.080 the how time flies, right. So we were thinking about 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:56.920 a lot of things, and we were kicking things like 0:02:56.960 --> 0:02:58.680 you and I do all the time, right, It's like 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:00.400 testing theories, what about this? 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:01.119 What about that? 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:05.000 And then something happens in the middle of that process 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:08.160 that just laid something out onto the table for us. 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:10.960 And we had a chapter I believe called threat Narrative. 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:13.799 And here's what got laid on the table. It turns 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:18.000 out that Stephen Hawking in the famous scientist, right, the 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:20.720 man who was he was super super bright, but his 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:23.800 body at afterpheed and it was all very strange but 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:28.200 he was on a Discovery Channel mini series Into the 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:31.639 Universe with Stephen Hawking is like April of twenty ten, 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:34.040 and Dolan and I are like, our sleeves are rolled 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:37.520 up and we're working on this book. And then he 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:39.760 ends up saying, and this is the part that's famous. 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:43.320 The quote is if aliens visit us, the outcome would 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:46.880 be much as when Columbus landed in America, which didn't 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:52.119 turn out well for the Native Americans. And I kind 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:56.080 of love that because it's the role reversal. If indeed 0:03:56.120 --> 0:04:00.280 there are aliens here or an Nhi that is technology 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:07.200 advanced over us, aren't they, in fact the people from 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:09.120 the Old World coming to the New World? 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:13.240 The conquerors? Yeah, yeah, the invaders. No, it's true. And 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:16.120 going back to your original point of the hope is 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:18.279 that we could work it out with aliens, but in fact, 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:21.279 there's a lot of historical precedent that we can't work 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:25.800 it out with ourselves, right, So it's a hard kind 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:29.960 of wish to see coming true that aliens are going 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:31.839 to come down, and as we're going to take a 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:33.920 look at in at least one of the movies here, 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:36.920 But really I think it is a theme across all 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:41.920 of these movies is communication right. When cultures clash, communication 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:45.200 is key, And if they don't understand each other, or 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:48.800 they can't even speak to each other, then so much 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:52.719 for trying to work things out. I remember that Hawking 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:56.080 made the argument. He wasn't saying that aliens were going 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:58.200 to be evil. That was not his point. 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:03.480 His point was that any civilization capable of crossing interstellar 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:07.360 distances to get here, against all the odds and all 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:10.960 the distance and time, they would possess technology that was 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:16.560 so overwhelmingly superior to ours that any meeting with them 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:20.000 might not accrue to our benefit. And in fact, I 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:23.680 remember watching that episode and it was just mind bending. 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:27.920 He's talking about imagining things, and I always thought, listen, 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:31.200 the guy super bright, but he was limited physically and 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:33.640 what he could do. So what he did is he thought. 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:37.680 He used that brilliant minded to think. And one of 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:40.560 the things he did and talked about in that first 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:45.720 program was he imagined an advanced civilization that had exhausted 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:50.480 its home planet's resources and had become space bearing nomads. 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:55.279 And the quote was looking to conquer and colonize whatever 0:05:55.400 --> 0:06:00.880 planets they can reach. So the problem is of we 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:06.880 have rather naively sent out voyager, unmanned craft with gold records, 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:09.960 telling people what we look like, what we know, how 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:13.440 to find us. And it wasn't that Hawking was saying 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:18.200 don't don't listen for signals. He was in favor of SETI. 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:20.720 He was saying, listen. If somebody is sending out something, 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:23.120 you want to receive it. He was just saying, exercise 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:25.479 a little caution before you send it out. I think 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:28.640 that's what is the what's driving us in this episode. 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:31.040 This is a chance for us to talk about are 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:36.000 there movies that demonstrate contact between not just individual aliens 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:41.040 and individual humans, but civilizations if you will, And sometimes 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:44.120 movies are. There's a bunch of them. There's everything from 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:47.960 Alien Nation in District nine, where actually it goes worse 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:51.880 for the aliens than it does for us, right, And 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:54.120 then of course there's the Day the Earth Stood Still 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:56.600 where they show up and give us an ultimatum. There's 0:06:56.640 --> 0:06:59.599 Independence Day, of course, where it's just playing bad. They're 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:01.279 looking for trouble, they're not looking for help. 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:04.320 Yeah, yeah, I think the headline here is that when 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:08.520 humans and aliens meet spoiler alert, it doesn't end well. No, 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:11.400 for one side or the other. And again going back 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:15.960 to kind of historical precedent, the equivalent of aliens is 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:20.640 when the earth was still being explored, a dominant culture 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:24.480 would go to a indigenous culture and they would be 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:27.560 overtaken and conquered. I think the only example I can 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:30.960 think of was New Zealand, where the Maori were not conquered, 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:34.120 they were integrated into culture, which is why New Zealand's 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:36.240 such an interesting place to visit. It is and you've 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:39.320 lived haven't you lived there before? No? I thought about 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:41.760 living there. I visited it for a month and I 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:43.960 love it. I would highly recommend it to everyone, and 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:45.520 not just if you're a Lord of the Rings fan. 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:48.040 And let's move on to a kind of a movie 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:51.280 that again, I bet very few people are thinking about 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:54.160 the movie that we want to start this conversation with. 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:56.480 So I'm going to start us down this road with 0:07:56.680 --> 0:07:59.800 yet another quote. And the quote is a great civilis 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:03.280 a is not conquered from without until it has been 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:08.200 destroyed from within. Now, Yeah, powerful quote. That's actually by 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:11.120 a man named Will Durant, who was a twentieth century 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:14.800 storian and philosopher. And it's the first image that you 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:17.720 see on the movie we'll now be talking about, which 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:21.120 is Apocalypto. That's a movie by Mel Gibson that came 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:23.840 out in two thousand and six. And the interesting thing 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:26.880 is that quote was actually an excerpt of something larger, 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:29.800 which is equally relevant to the world we're living in today. 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:33.760 Here's the full quote. A great civilization is not conquered 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:37.720 from without until it has destroyed itself from within. The 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:42.480 essential causes of Rome's decline lay in her people, her morals, 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:47.880 her class struggle, her failing trade, her bureaucratic despotism, her 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:55.280 stifling taxes, her consuming wars. Now is America a modern 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:58.839 day Rome? Are we right to be conquered? Could it be? 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:02.640 I've wondered lately, is this the reason that we are 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:05.200 on the verge of disclosure? That the powers that be 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:09.960 want to maybe prepare us for the potential alien invasion coming? 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:12.959 Obviously we can't answer that today, and I know that's 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:16.079 a scary thought. But I think the most important thing 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:19.320 to take away from this is what we talked about 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:22.200 in the beginning, which is there is a culture clash 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:26.520 that happens in Apocalypto that does not go well for 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:31.200 the indigenous tribes, and yet the whole movie becomes a 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:35.200 metaphor for that idea that there's always a bigger fish. Yeah. 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:38.760 Boy, I got to tell you, I love Apocalypto, and 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:42.480 I know Mel Gibson is a controversial character, and I 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:46.240 would like us to be able folks, to separate ourselves 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:49.000 from his personality or whether you love him or hate 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:51.800 him or whatever, concentrate on what this film is about, 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:56.200 because it really does ask a brilliantly large question, and 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:59.480 it doesn't really ask it even until the very end 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:01.000 of the film. So the one thing I do have 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:03.880 to say is, look, this movie, as Brent said, was 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:06.880 made in two thousand and six. This is not the 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:10.560 kind of show where we can respect people that call 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:15.319 spoiler alert. The ability to discuss what this film does 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:19.079 needs for us to actually look at what it says 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:22.280 in its entirety. So I guess if that's the problem, 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:26.360 maybe bounce ahead ten minutes and you'll be okay. But 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:30.000 here's the thing. This is the story that takes place 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:33.000 with the is it the Aztec or the Mayan civilism? 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:37.360 It's of course yeah. And the main character is a guy. 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:38.200 It's so great. 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:41.120 There's no English in it, there's no it's just all subtitled. 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:44.920 Yep, it's all subtitled, and very little dialogue at that. 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:48.480 And the main character is this guy named Jaguar Paw 0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:52.000 who is a hunter from a peaceful forest village. But 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:56.120 he gets captured by these Mayan warriors, right and they 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:58.720 just destroy his community. His wife and his child end 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:01.400 up in a pit. He ends up captive, and he's 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:06.240 forced to go back to this really horrific He described 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:09.400 the civilization that's falling apart from within. I think that 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:11.880 describes what was going on with the Mayans at that point. 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:12.439 Absolutely. 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:15.880 Their plan is to march Jaguar Pauw and his other 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:19.200 fellow captives up to the top of a pyramid and 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:24.560 behead them and as sacrifices to the gods to try 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:28.840 to cut them a deal. So all I can say 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:31.920 is this, it's creepy. It's like being on a bad 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:35.240 acid trip. It's just like his reality is shattered. He 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:38.640 can't even imagine the cruelty that he's about to experience. 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:42.000 The fear was probably so high that he can barely 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:43.439 stand on his own two legs. 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:44.080 It's so bad. 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:46.840 Plus he's worried about what's going to happen to his 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:49.000 wife and child? Are they going to die in this pit? 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:52.160 What's going to happen? And that is the only thing 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:56.680 that motivates this character. He wants to save his family 0:11:57.040 --> 0:12:00.840 and so he manages to escape, but then things go badly. 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:04.160 A couple things to touch on here, which is, as 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:07.360 you pointed out, the Mayans are basically playing the part 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:10.960 of the Romans. Their whole culture has fallen apart because 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:13.360 of kind of the moral decay. They believe they are 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:16.480 the people of destiny. They have the arrogance, they have 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:19.360 the hubris, they're on the downfall, and in fact, the 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:23.280 reason that they are sacrificing others to the gods is 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:26.439 they believe that all the problems that have befallen their 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:30.400 culture were because of the gods, not because of themselves. 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:32.760 We didn't do this to ourselves. This is because we 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:35.200 haven't killed enough people to make the gods happy. A 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:38.320 very twisted point in the Mayan culture there, and I 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:42.400 think to the other points. As creepy and as visceral 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:45.880 and as savage as the movie is, I actually before 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:47.960 we get to the ending, which is in some ways 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:50.040 the whole point of the movie at least for our podcast. 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:52.960 I took away one thing that I was very empowered 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:57.359 by the thought that how can somebody in that situation 0:12:57.440 --> 0:13:00.520 when Jaguar Paw is on the cusp of being sackcrificed, 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:03.640 he's left his wife and son behind him. By the way, 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:06.440 his wife is pregnant about to give birth. That's the 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:10.600 other complication in this sinkhole, what gets him through, what 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:14.160 pulls him through. Early on in the movie, he says 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:18.680 to his son before they're separated, don't be afraid. Don't 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:22.160 be afraid, right, And the only thing that keeps the 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:25.480 sun going with the mother to help her through giving 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:28.360 birth to a child in a sinkhole. And the only 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:32.120 thing that gets Jaguar Paw through this hole ordeal is 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:36.319 he stays poised, He doesn't give into the fear, He 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:40.120 sticks through it, and he has the courage to endure. 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:43.679 And I that Mel Gibson, obviously having made it also 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:46.600 the passion of the Christ is a spiritual man. And 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:50.040 I don't think it's a coincidence that the key idea 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:52.960 of this is don't be afraid. When the world becomes 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:56.960 dark all around you. That phrase don't be afraid is 0:13:57.000 --> 0:14:01.120 in the Bible seventy times, and just to tie things 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:04.840 all together, it's one of the key lines in Disclosure Day, 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:08.480 don't be afraid of the unknown. And so I think, 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:12.400 as we talk about what could be a possible terrifying 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:15.200 outcome for humanity if we were ever to be invaded 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:18.040 by aliens, I think that is something to hold on to, 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:21.880 like that life preserver in the dark ocean. Don't be afraid. 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:24.040 I commend the thought. 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:26.480 But I have to tell you if what was happening 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:30.000 to Jaguar all was happening to me, I'd be so afraid. 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:31.160 I don't know what I would do. 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:33.800 And before we get into that ending, I have to 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:36.440 tell you that a few years back, I was in 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:40.880 an Anytime fitness gym working out and I'm just pushing 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:43.560 some weights around and I look over and there's Mel 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:47.800 Gibson doing the same thing and my local gem. So 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:49.920 I just went up and said hello, and I told 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:53.360 him how much I enjoyed his film, and he was 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:55.720 very nice about it, and he was appreciative. I think 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:58.640 it's always nice if you're a director and somebody seeks 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:01.840 you out to say mental lot. To me, that's important, 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:04.920 And so I told him that but then I went 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:07.160 the one step further and I said, and you know 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:10.040 what's so interesting to me is and I don't know 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:12.920 mel if you're involved in this, or you think about this, 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:15.760 or whether it was part of it, but it sure 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:21.800 felt like a metaphor for the UFO alien contact issue. 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:26.440 He looks at me kind of the scance like really 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:30.720 he did, by the way, as we talked, acknowledge, Yeah, 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:33.400 that would make a certain amount of sense, but it 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:36.000 wasn't what he had in mind. So all I have 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:37.800 to say, Brent, is if you and I are seeing 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:41.040 it in this movie. The director of the movie apparently 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:43.200 didn't see it himself when he was making it, or 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:45.080 at least that's what he seemed to say to me. 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:48.680 But Okay, so this doesn't go on forever because we 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:50.680 have a lot of other things to cover. We've got 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:53.600 a couple of great personal stories. We've got several other 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:56.200 films that we want to talk about in passing. So 0:15:56.240 --> 0:16:00.200 what happens here is Jaguar Pop breaks free and he 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:05.360 is pursued by the baddest ass Mayan hunters around, including 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:08.680 one dude who is just he just burns to kill 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:12.040 this guy in a violent torturing way. That's all he 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:15.160 can say is you know that if he catches him, 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:19.040 that's that. And it's this incredible chase. It's not a 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:21.760 car chase. It's so much better than a car chase. 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:29.080 This is like a gang of highly talented, brutal mofos 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:34.640 chasing you who has no chance through the jungle. It's unbelievable. 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:39.440 And so you know, you just know if they catch him, 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:42.000 that's it, and that's game over. 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:42.760 We're done. 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:47.880 And nothing really appears to be available to stop them, 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:50.360 and yet something does. 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:54.960 And that's what's so great about it, Yes, and what 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:58.840 that something is. When they reach the beach, they see 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:04.640 these credible craft on the water, right, it's the boats 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:09.600 coming of the Spanish explorers coming to conquer the New World. 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:15.440 And oh my goodness, it the looks on their faces. 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:20.320 It's the way we would look if alien spaceships landed 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:23.359 on our planet. And that's where I think you got 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:25.080 the idea of that great metaphor. 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:29.719 It's so great about it is Okay, these two this 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:32.480 guy is caught, gotten dead to right, and once he's 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:35.240 at the beach, he ain't getting off the beach. There's 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:39.239 more of them than him. And so that's the end 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:40.920 of the movie. And I think at the first time 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:43.600 I saw it, I'm almost checking my watch, going, isn't 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:46.320 this the end of the movie? There seems like so 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:49.320 much they're just going to kill it. What and then 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:53.840 they stop in their tracks and they have never seen 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:57.720 anything like it. These are the Spanish galleons. These are 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:01.560 major craft, and I believe at the same time there 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:05.000 are the guys getting out of it with the metal, 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:09.399 the head gear and the head gear and the breastplates 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:13.439 and the swords, and just so there's technology for that time. 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:18.080 These ships are technology. The protective gear is technology, and 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:22.919 everybody just stops in their tracks because they don't know 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:26.240 what it is the same way some of us might 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:29.600 stop in our tracks if we were having a fight. 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:32.080 Was say, you're having a fight with your next door 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:35.320 neighbor about the law, about the fence and where it 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:38.440 needs to be, and people are threatening to sue each other, 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:41.480 and suddenly there's this craft above you. You're going to stop 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:44.720 your fight. It's just going to stop you. There's just 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:47.199 no way around it. So what I think is so 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:51.359 interesting if you replace the Spanish ships with alien craft, 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:55.800 what happens is that everything changes because what the Mayans 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:58.679 don't know, these Mayans who have been chasing him, is 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:01.320 they don't know are the gods they're looking at? 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:05.440 Are they traders? Are they explorers? Are they invaders? Are 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:07.200 they refugees? They don't know anything. 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:10.720 No, just in a way, given that we've had eighty 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:14.440 years to study what's going on with whatever is going 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:17.359 on right now, we don't know exactly what's goed. 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:20.920 There may be people that do know they haven't told us. Yeah, 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:24.440 And I think that's one of the major reasons why 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:27.280 everyone wants to know the truth. I think a lot 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:29.960 of people believe they are out there, they may even 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:33.520 be here. The big question is why what do they want? 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:37.200 Are we being threatened? Are we being observed? Is someone 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:39.600 here to help us? It's a big spectrum, and I 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:43.840 think the anxiety that people have about what the potential 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:47.680 motives might be is legitimate. And again, if you look 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:51.800 to history, most of the time a conquering race meets 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:55.440 a lesser race or a less developed race, it does 0:19:55.480 --> 0:19:59.679 not end well. So anyway, it's a really interesting movie. 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:02.800 Glad you got to run your theory past Mel Gibson. 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:06.240 It's very funny when we come back. We are going 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:10.479 to talk about Arrival and another movie which I'm going 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:12.840 to hold out the surprise of what that last third 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:15.720 movie is. And we're also going to hear about Bryce's 0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:38.920 personal Apocalyptos story. I can't wait. Let's do this. I'm 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:41.800 Brent Friedman. Years ago, a family friend who became a 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:45.000 cabinet member in the Reagan administration just closed to me 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:49.080 that aliens are real. They're here, and he'd seen them. 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:50.119 I'm Bryce's able. 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:54.280 Later, when we were producing Dark Skies, an NBCTV series 0:20:54.320 --> 0:20:57.400 about an alien invasion, we were approached by men who 0:20:57.400 --> 0:21:00.280 said they were from the Office of Naval Intelligence and 0:21:00.359 --> 0:21:04.400 they wanted to give us inside information in exchange for access. 0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:07.320 To our show. We didn't take that deal, but we 0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:09.160 have never stopped thinking about it. 0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:13.040 That's why we do this podcast. We're working out ideas 0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:17.480 in real time about how Hollywood is portrayed aliens and why. 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:22.000 Every episode is different because there are so many questions. 0:21:21.960 --> 0:21:25.560 We're looking for answers. It's an active investigation. Let's do 0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:26.199 this together. 0:21:56.880 --> 0:22:02.560 Bryce, without further ado, tell us you're Apocalypto story. First. 0:22:02.600 --> 0:22:04.840 I apologize it's probably going to be a little long. 0:22:05.320 --> 0:22:07.440 It because I feel like I need to tell the 0:22:07.480 --> 0:22:10.080 whole thing, and Brent, it's a real story. I just 0:22:10.119 --> 0:22:13.480 wanted everyone to understand there's nothing made up about it. 0:22:13.520 --> 0:22:16.080 The whole thing is true, and in fact, it's a 0:22:16.119 --> 0:22:19.880 story that for years since it happened, and it happened 0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:24.080 forty years ago, okay, forty years ago, since that time 0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:27.560 my wife is at dinner time would tell people, Hey, Bryce, 0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:31.399 tell them that story. And I was one of those stories. Yeah, 0:22:31.440 --> 0:22:33.760 And I would tell it like it was a comedy. 0:22:34.600 --> 0:22:37.160 And then I realized a few years ago I could 0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:39.879 no longer do that. It was just too wrong, and 0:22:39.920 --> 0:22:42.320 I said, I have to tell this for what it is, 0:22:42.840 --> 0:22:47.719 which was one of the worst, most fearsome moments of 0:22:47.760 --> 0:22:48.320 my life. 0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:50.440 We're talking about like nineteen eighty six. 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:55.520 Okay, I am recently married and I have a pregnant wife, 0:22:55.520 --> 0:22:58.520 so I'm about to be a father, and I'm working 0:22:58.560 --> 0:23:02.160 for a show in Los Angele as a director, producer, 0:23:02.480 --> 0:23:04.359 and the show is called I in LA. It's one 0:23:04.400 --> 0:23:06.800