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Speaker 1: haven't taken head since nineteen forty six, so that's not

434
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: that far removed. No, no, it really isn't. So what

435
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 1: I did is back then. Now we think of Banana

436
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,120
Speaker 1: Republic right now is a place where you can get

437
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 1: some upscale clothing or whatever. But back then it was

438
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 1: more like a travel adventure place. So I know I'm

439
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 1: going into the jungle. I go to Banana Republic and

440
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 1: I buy a shirt with epaulets and with the big

441
00:24:55,960 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: pockets and I'm you look the call cargo pants. And

442
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,439
Speaker 1: I get this hat that I kind of love because

443
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: the hat looks like Indiana Jones. It's an Indiana Jones

444
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 1: at brand new, very nice looking hat. Really enjoyed having that.

445
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: I probably looked like a complete goofball. And on the

446
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: video version of this people will be able to see

447
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 1: that for themselves. Okay, that's exciting. Here I am with Clyde.

448
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 1: We get on the plane to set the tone. We

449
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: end up in first class, so I'm thinking this is

450
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: pretty cool, and there's nobody else in first class, so

451
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 1: all these flight attendants are doing whatever we want, which

452
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 1: is giving us don peren yone to drink. So Clyde

453
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: and I drink two two and a half bottles of

454
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 1: this over the eighteen hour flight. And when we get

455
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: to Malaysia, we're walking off the plane. We're having a

456
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 1: good time and we see a sign and it's a

457
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: skull and cross bumps and it says Dowda is death,

458
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 1: which means drugs are death. Okay, so that kind of

459
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 1: sobered us up a little bit. WHOA, what's going on there?

460
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,400
Speaker 1: And as it turns out, shortly after we were there,

461
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: two Australians who were under sentence of death four drugs

462
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:12,360
Speaker 1: were hanged oh in malaysiing in Kuala Lumpur not long

463
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: after our visit, so there was a tone a tone

464
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 1: thing going there. So we did our thing in Malaysia

465
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,120
Speaker 1: and that was a beautiful country. People can go there

466
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 1: now and enjoy it very much. But then it came

467
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: time to go do this scouting trip. So we get

468
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 1: on a flight from Kuala Lumpur to I believe we're

469
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 1: flying east to a Kuching, which is the capital of

470
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: Sarawak and the gateway to the rest of our adventure.

471
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: And I know this seems like a lot of setup,

472
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: but I just feel that you got to really understand

473
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,919
Speaker 1: the state of mind of what's going on here. We

474
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: landed this small airport and right now, if a visitor

475
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: was retracing my steps forty years later, man, you'd be

476
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: on an air conditioned coach. Right, things have changed, but

477
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: this is forty years ago. That's not what happened to us.

478
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: We get to this small airport and there's this ramshackle

479
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 1: like jeep there, and there's a guide, this Malaysian guide

480
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 1: who's about seventeen years old. He's just a kid. His

481
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 1: English is broken. He's not the best guide around. It's

482
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 1: what Clyde has found, okay. And by the way, we're

483
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: completely sober by this way. We've had a week to

484
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: get our hope together.

485
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 2: Right.

486
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: So this guy looks very young, his English is barely

487
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: passable for tourism. And so we get in this jeep

488
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 1: and we drive for about three hours and at first

489
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 1: it's dirt roads and the roads kind of give up

490
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: they're not even roads anymore. They're just dirt, right, and

491
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: then they become something else. They're just nothing. And we

492
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: just weren't like bouncing up and down. And I'm thinking

493
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: to myself as we're doing this print during this three hours,

494
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, Clyde hasn't told anybody where we are.

495
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 2: How could he?

496
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: No one knows where we are. My wife doesn't know

497
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 1: where I am. The people at I in La don't

498
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: know where we are. We don't have a sad light phone,

499
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: we got nothing. Nobody knows where we are. And we

500
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 1: have just gone three hours into the middle of nowhere

501
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: and we reach the Skrang River that's what it's called.

502
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 2: You can look it up on the map.

503
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: And we're on our way to what's called the Long

504
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: House where the Ebon tribe, the ones that were the headhunters.

505
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 1: I think later I found out they were headhunters through

506
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,199
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty two, but at the time we thought nineteen

507
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 1: forty six, so I would have been even more scared.

508
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 2: How do you spell that?

509
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: The Ebon Iban and Sprang skrin g Sprang river looks

510
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: that looks like something made up And anyway, so we

511
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: get to the Sprang and there is this kind of

512
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: dugout like boada fair and it's not great. It's small,

513
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: and there's this motor on it that looks like it's

514
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: from World War two, and we get in it and

515
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: we start going up the Sprang River. It's like heart

516
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: of darkness time, right, because at first there were a

517
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: few settlements on the side, and then pretty soon nothing

518
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: and we just keep going. We've gone three hours under jeep.

519
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: Now we're three hours on the spray, and as we

520
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: get up there, we just realize how very alone we

521
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: are because soon nobody's there. It's just jungle cutting in

522
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: on the river. But then eventually there is a long

523
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: house and there are the ebonds and we get off

524
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: and our guide is the one that translates for us,

525
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: and it's been okay thing for a moment. They used

526
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: to take these long what would you call it, the

527
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: blow darts blow darts, and so they gave me a chance.

528
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: I thought, oh wow, this is great. I get to

529
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: practice with the blow dart. There's a picture of me

530
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: doing that, and I'm thinking this is intriguing. Blow darts

531
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: because they would pull they would actually paralyze people before

532
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: they would probably behead them Okay. The other thing is

533
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: we were told that the people that had actually taken

534
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: heads had tattoos on their hands, and there were some

535
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: old dudes that did. So we're doing blow darts. We're

536
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: doing that, and at one point with the blowpipe, that's

537
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: all happening, and then they say, now come with us,

538
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: and that's where they show us the skulls.

539
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 2: And I'm not only showed you the skulls, they showed me

540
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 2: the skulls. There were numerous skulls.

541
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: And I don't remember if it was a room or

542
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: some raised storage erry, or whether it was actually in

543
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: the long house or outside that part. I can't quite

544
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: but I just know they were not Halloween decorations, Brent, Okay.

545
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: And they were not replicas. They were trophies from this

546
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: earlier era that had been preserved as objects of ritual

547
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: and ancestral significance. They were important to this tribe, all right.

548
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: And I just I just this was outside of my perspective.

549
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: I didn't even quite really understand what I was seeing. Okay,

550
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: history was not buried at this point, Brent, it was.

551
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 2: I was in the room with it. Okay.

552
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: It was just very strange, all right. And now I

553
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: also want to make clear, because I don't want to

554
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: be misinterpreted. This is not a story about villain I

555
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: don't think there were any villains in this village. This

556
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: is a story, and the reason why we're incorporating it

557
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: is this is a story about communication where two different

558
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: cultures are going to see things slightly differently. So that night,

559
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: we got fed and it was fine. I don't remember

560
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: what we ate, but then afterwards the community gathered around

561
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: a fire with the chief. Now I don't remember how

562
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: many people were in this community. I want to say

563
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: a hundred, but I bet it was less. And we're

564
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: sitting around this fire, me Clyde and our young seventeen

565
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: year old guide, and the only diplomatic tool I possessed

566
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: at this point print was to smile. I tried to

567
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: smile so that people could see I mean them no harm.

568
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: And of course I was dressed like an idiot, and

569
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: they were smiling back at me. Okay, now this is

570
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,719
Speaker 1: where things get a little weird.

571
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 2: All right.

572
00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: I was sitting there wearing my hat and I thought

573
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: it made me look competent, but the chief apparently thought

574
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: it made me look like negotiable. Okay, At some point,

575
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: he says something, and the Guide gets a funny look

576
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: on his face, and he's interpreting what the Chief is

577
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: saying in this imperfect English of his and I'm getting

578
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: the translation and getting increasingly frightened by the whole thing.

579
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: And the Chief is looking at my hat, and the

580
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: guide is getting a little concerned, and I said, what's

581
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,959
Speaker 1: going on? And he says he likes your hat, and

582
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: I said, tell him thank you, and more conversation. He goes,

583
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: he wants your hat and I said, oh, at this point,

584
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: it's just a hat. I don't know what I paid

585
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: for it. And I said, fine, I'll give him the hat.

586
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: And then the Guide shakes his head and he says, no,

587
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: you can't give it to him. That would dishonor him.

588
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: He has to trade for it.

589
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 2: All right.

590
00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: This is getting strange, but not quite apocalypse Dick yet.

591
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: And I said, would I trade for it? And I'm

592
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: not making this up. I am not making this up.

593
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: He says his daughter for tonight. Oh, And I said,

594
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: you've got that translator wrong. That can't be right, and

595
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: he goes, no, I think that's what he's saying. So

596
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: the chief's daughter was there sitting next to him.

597
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 2: She's smiling.

598
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: Everyone else is smiling, right, And they're all saying that

599
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: the chief is going to trade his daughter to me

600
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: to sleep with that night, and he's going to get

601
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: the hat and everybody will be respected. And I said

602
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: to the guide, look, I'm married, I've got a pregnant

603
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: wife at home. I'm not sleeping with any anybody for

604
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: the hat, right. And at that point, I said, you've

605
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:49,959
Speaker 1: got to tell him, no, I can't do it. And

606
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: he says, if you refuse, you will now dishonor his daughter.

607
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: Oh so now I'm not trying to dishonor anyone. I'm

608
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: marriedah blah blah. And I make that very clear to him.

609
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 1: And he's not happy. He's concerned. You can see it

610
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: in his face. And we're all sitting around there and

611
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,760
Speaker 1: we're all having the same event, but we're all seeing

612
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: it so very differently, right, And it was tense. There's

613
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: a fire, there's people, there's me, there's everybody. And I

614
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 1: got an idea. I don't know where it came from.

615
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: I just said, okay, listen, here's what you got to

616
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: tell him. You got to tell him that this is

617
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: not the best hat that we make in the United States,

618
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 1: we make a much better hat, and for a chief

619
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 1: who's as important as he is, he should have the

620
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 1: best hat available, and that when we come back, we

621
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 1: will bring the best hat for him.

622
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 2: Now, I was never going to come back at this point,

623
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 2: but I'm telling him it's a good pitch. Though. It's

624
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 2: a good pitch.

625
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 1: And I said, that's exactly what I said to the

626
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: guy brand, I go, you got to sell this. So

627
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: he tries to talk me out of it, but he

628
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: agrees and he tells him this, and this is the.

629
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 2: Part where it gets really strange.

630
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: Then I guess it's already strange, right, So we're all

631
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: sitting around there. The guide has told the chief that

632
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: we're going to bring him a better hat, and suddenly

633
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: nobody's smiling and nobody's talking. There's just all these people

634
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: sitting around this fire, and they're all kind of looking

635
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 1: at me, and then they look at the chief, and

636
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: then they look back to me. And I'm looking at

637
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 1: the chief, going what is he thinking? Because I have

638
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: no idea. I don't know what he's thinking. And then

639
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: this goes on for about a minute. Now, if listen,

640
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: a minute is nothing. If you're screwing around, it goes,

641
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: but if everybody's quiet in a tense situation, it feels

642
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: like an hour or ten.

643
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, ok, stops.

644
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: And then finally the chief kind of studies me, and

645
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,720
Speaker 1: then after about this minute he breaks into a smile

646
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: and everybody's happy, and it sounds like he's accepted this thing, right, Okay,

647
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: all right? So I think now we've set the stage

648
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: up that cultures can collide and see things very differently.

649
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: And looked like I was getting out of that one.

650
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: So then they take us to where we're going to

651
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: spend the night, and there's some mats or cots or something,

652
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: and me and Clyde and the guide are there, and

653
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: now I was scared, right because I thought, what if

654
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 1: they changed their mind or whatever about this head hunting thing.

655
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 2: I don't know.

656
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: And all I can say is because I was a

657
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: CNN correspondent in another lifetime before that, I've met a

658
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: lot of people, so I'm pretty good at studying people

659
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: and seeing what I think they're thinking. And all I

660
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 1: can say is I looked at the kid, the guide,

661
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 1: and he looked more scared than me. So I said

662
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: to him, why are you looking like that? And his

663
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: take was I'm worried that he only was saving He

664
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: didn't use the phrase saving face because he didn't have

665
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: that language, but he said, basically, he was only doing

666
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: that for the group that you have dishonored him and

667
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: his daughter, and that we're in trouble now. Clyde, good

668
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: old Texan boys like ah, I forget about it.

669
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,720
Speaker 2: It's nothing. Everything's going to be great.

670
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: So all I knew is I had a wife and

671
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: a son i'd never met back home, and I intended

672
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: to meet them somehow.

673
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 2: So I said to the guy, we're leaving because just

674
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 2: like that. Yeah, and now.

675
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: Everybody's supposed to be asleep. So we realize we're going

676
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: to have to start up this engine. So we wait

677
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: till dawn because it's pitch black. We couldn't turn on

678
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 1: we didn't have we.

679
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 2: Had to wait.

680
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: So at the break of dawn, Clyde and me and

681
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 1: the guide sneak out to that boat that we've got

682
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: parked out there. We get in the boat as quietly

683
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: as we can. We floated out into the river and

684
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: then we hit the engine and we start motoring up

685
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: the scrang and I've got images of guys with blow

686
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: darts chasing us, Oh, with machetes or whatever. They took

687
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: the heads with who knows wow, and they mercifully that

688
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: didn't happen. We got three hours up the scrang, we

689
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: got three hours on the jeep. When we got to

690
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: the airport, I wanted to kiss the freaking tarmac. And

691
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: all I can tell you is this, If you want

692
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: to know a little bit more about it, Anthony Bourdain

693
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 1: went there first, I believe, in two thousand and five,

694
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 1: and had a weird experience himself. But that was twenty

695
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: years after me, and he still freaked out. Then he

696
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: went back ten years later for another show. And Okay,

697
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 1: I know that's gone on forever. I know how these

698
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: things work, and we'll probably have to cut it in post.

699
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: But I feel like I've always I've never told that

700
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: story as a scary story.

701
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 2: It's always been a comedy. So in the comedy and no,

702
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 2: it felt nerve racking. I like it had the classic

703
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 2: aspects of the story where it just kept ratcheting up,

704
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 2: getting worse and worse. I'm glad that you survived it.

705
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,720
Speaker 2: I'm glad you're not a skull in their trophy case,

706
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,439
Speaker 2: because we wouldn't be doing this podcast among other things.

707
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 3: You know.

708
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 2: By the way, Brent, that's what's so interesting.

709
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: If it had gone badly, I'd have just been erased, true,

710
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: would ever have known what happened to me. My body

711
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: would never have been recovered, My to be born son

712
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: would never have met me, and the people at I

713
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: in La would always have this mythical story of the

714
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: producer they said, who never came back.

715
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow, it's so funny because that your story reminds

716
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 2: me of one of my favorite movies, which is Cool

717
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 2: Hand Luke and that famous quote. What we have here

718
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 2: is a failure to communicate, and back on point to

719
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: the theme of the episode. You were left there with

720
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 2: a translator, a seventeen year old trying to broker a deal,

721
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 2: and you had no idea, Like you said, what the

722
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 2: chief was acting thinking correct, of course, I probably would

723
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 2: have done the same thing and just high tailed it

724
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 2: out of there at the middle of night and hope

725
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:07,720
Speaker 2: that you weren't going to be chased.

726
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,919
Speaker 1: So I guess the moral of the story to try

727
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: to bring I'm glad to have a chance to tell

728
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: that story publicly, frankly, because it gets it off my chest.

729
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: I feel better having exercised that little ghost here. But

730
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 1: I do think it's important because this was just these

731
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: are human beings. This chief was intelligent. I'm intelligent. We

732
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 1: we weren't trying to be in a conflict and yet

733
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: we were.

734
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 2: Yes, well yeah, and so I think it's a nice

735
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 2: segue into our next movie we're going to talk about,

736
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 2: which is Arrival. And Arrival for those who have not

737
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 2: seen it. And oh, by the way, all the spoiler

738
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 2: alert cautions that Bryce said earlier apply obviously to this movie.

739
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 2: Arrival really quickly was directed by and somebody helped me

740
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 2: out here, Denis Villeneuve. Yeah, I think that's my best shot.

741
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 2: Sounds like the way Google pronounced it. So I think

742
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: you're safe there. Yes, And that director also has done

743
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 2: some really remarkable movies. He did a movie called Prisoners,

744
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 2: He did a Blade Runner twenty forty nine, which was

745
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 2: the sequel to Blade Runner, and then he is the

746
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 2: director behind the current Doom trilogy that is playing out

747
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 2: and I believe the third movie comes out next year

748
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 2: or later this year. Yeah, so a really accomplished director.

749
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 2: And the movie is about Amy Adams, who plays a

750
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 2: linguist that is recruited by the government, recruited in the

751
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,280
Speaker 2: sense of you can't say no to come and figure

752
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 2: out how to communicate with aliens who have just landed

753
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:46,919
Speaker 2: these huge ships all over the Earth. And because that's

754
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 2: not a one person job. Her co star is Jeremy Renner,

755
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 2: who plays a theoretical physicist that has also been recruited.

756
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 2: And their whole job is to try and analyze the

757
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: alien language and make sense of it so that they

758
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 2: can actually communicate, so that humans and aliens can communicate.

759
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 2: And that really is the whole gist of the movie.

760
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 2: That's the whole plot, really.

761
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: The whole conceit is that somehow they must teach us

762
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: their language. Yes, right now, there's advanced beings. They're the

763
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: ones that cross the galaxy to get to Earth. And

764
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: I kept wondering two things. She uses a little dry

765
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: erase board, and I'm like, why is she doing that?

766
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: But as you explained it to me, it's probably because

767
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: they couldn't have they didn't want to have the technology

768
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: in there or whatever. Yeah, so I'm giving them.

769
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 2: Because they're going by the way, they're going inside their

770
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 2: spaceship to talk to them. Yes, alien, they're.

771
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: The advanced beings, Brent, why didn't they do more to

772
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: help learn our language. Why was it important that first

773
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: we had to learn theirs. Even if they were going

774
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 1: to teach us something important, wouldn't they be able to

775
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: do basic things like she's at the very beginning, she's

776
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: pointing at herself and saying your name, Yes, I'm walking

777
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: walks and things like that.

778
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 2: No, it's a great point, and obviously we'll get to

779
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 2: it in a bit, but that us learning them language

780
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 2: is a whole plot twist at the end of the movie,

781
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 2: and so you just have to kind of go along

782
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 2: with it. I will say, if you haven't seen the movie,

783
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 2: one of the more interesting depiction of aliens that I've seen,

784
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,919
Speaker 2: because they are not humanoid in any way, shape or form.

785
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 2: They're called heptapods. The best way I can describe them

786
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 2: as a cross between octopus and jab of the Hut.

787
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 2: But they're scary, they're large, and they're formidable, and you

788
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 2: got the sense that if they really got upset, things

789
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 2: would go poorly for humans. But needless to say, they

790
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 2: I think the idea was that they couldn't come out

791
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 2: of the ship. They were not ready to interact with

792
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 2: our environment, so we had to go to them. And

793
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,240
Speaker 2: the way that they spoke, was this kind of visual

794
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 2: language that would appear on kind of the glass between

795
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,720
Speaker 2: us and them, almost like us going to visit fish

796
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 2: in an aquarium. Right, That was kind of what the

797
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 2: whole thing is felt like. And we'll come back to

798
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 2: the whole language thing, because it really is the key

799
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 2: to the whole movie, and not just thematically, but from

800
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 2: a plot standpoint. I think one of the things that

801
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 2: I thought was so fascinating about the movie was actually

802
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 2: the poster. I remember when I saw the poster, the

803
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 2: marketing slogan was why are they here? And this goes

804
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 2: back to what we talked about in the beginning, Yes,

805
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 2: exactly why are they here? To have a whole movie

806
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 2: that just explores why are they here? I was really

807
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,399
Speaker 2: excited for that. And one of the other things that

808
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 2: comes of that is that this is something that we

809
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 2: didn't even consider, the notion of are they coming here

810
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 2: to farm us? Are they coming here to conquer us?

811
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 2: I think the why are they here is something that

812
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 2: was not on my bingo card in terms of what

813
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 2: aliens would be coming to Earth for. What was your

814
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: thought about, ultimately the reveal of the movie and the

815
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 2: whole point of the movie I saw this film.

816
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: My family and I had gone to the Telluride Film Festival,

817
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: and it was like the talk of the festival, and

818
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: I remember we had to campaign and fight to get

819
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 1: in to see it because it was just sending shockwaves.

820
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: People were taken by it that yes, of course the

821
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: poster image, because they weren't like it wasn't like a

822
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:20,240
Speaker 1: flying saucer hovering.

823
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 2: It was sideways.

824
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: Yes, it was just hanging in the air, and it

825
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: was gigantic, and it didn't look like a saucer.

826
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:27,280
Speaker 2: It looked very alien.

827
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: So I was very intrigued to see it, and believe me,

828
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: any questions I have about it now, I have because

829
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: I've seen it several times enough to even think about it.

830
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: When I first saw it, I didn't actually have any

831
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: issues because I didn't understand half of it. And part

832
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: of the reason I didn't is because it really is

833
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: about time. It is about space obviously, and that they

834
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 1: have traveled space, but it's about time. The reason they're

835
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: trying to teach us their language, as I understood it,

836
00:45:56,239 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: or I understand it now, is that that was necessary

837
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 1: because in the way they view time, and in fact,

838
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 1: I guess the way time is in the laws of

839
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: the movie's we think of it as a linear thing.

840
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: It's like a river. You get more and you go

841
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,919
Speaker 1: down the river, and it's not like the Skrang River

842
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,439
Speaker 1: or anything, but it is a river. And they're saying, no,

843
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: all time is going on, and they're aware of all time,

844
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: and they're saying that some three thousand years in the future,

845
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: mankind is going to they're going to need mankind's and

846
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: kinds help, yes, and so they have to teach us

847
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: how to think about time. So they're coming in advance

848
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,399
Speaker 1: in preparation of an event in the future where they're

849
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,280
Speaker 1: going to need mankind.

850
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 2: To be upgraded. And I thought that was the most

851
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 2: interesting thing, is that when you can learn to speak

852
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 2: their language, it rewrites human DNA. It upgrades us. It

853
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 2: gives us this whole ability to see time and experience

854
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: time in a different way. Right now, that's cool for humans,

855
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 2: it's like we get this new power. But at the

856
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 2: end of the day, it was a very self serving

857
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 2: motive to come and upgrade humans because they're going to

858
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,439
Speaker 2: need our help in the future really fast.

859
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and listen again, I did not understand that. I

860
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: knew it was about time, but I didn't get all

861
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: of that right off the top, because on another level,

862
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: they're playing it as more of the me and the

863
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: chief talking about the daughter and the hat kind of thing,

864
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: where it's like there's some exchange going on, but people

865
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: maybe are misunderstanding because the whole thing comes down to

866
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: us rather trying to translate them. And with those, as

867
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: you said, the kind of the dark inky circle kind

868
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 1: of communication, they've gotten down a heptpod phrase. That is,

869
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: they translate as quote, offer weapon, and that freaks everybody

870
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: out because there's twelve of these things.

871
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 2: They're all over the world. The Chinese had one and

872
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 2: we've got just one. But there's people all over and

873
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 2: we're all.

874
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 1: And because people don't trust each other humans in this thing,

875
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 1: we can't work together. So we've got twelve different groups

876
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what to do about this thing.

877
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 1: But when they translate offer weapon, that's when we finally

878
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: start getting together, which I think is the movie's metaphor

879
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: for saying, see, we only respond to fear, yes, right,

880
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: But in reality, what the Amy Adams character is trying

881
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:30,760
Speaker 1: to state is that weapon can be translated in English

882
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: anyway into tool or gift or capability and so she's

883
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,320
Speaker 1: trying to exercise caution, saying we're not one hundred percent sure,

884
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: but everyone else is getting ready for war.

885
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 2: Yes, that kind of thing. Yeah, thank goodness for Amy Adams,

886
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 2: because that story would have gone awry and probably ended

887
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 2: in the destruction of mankind were it not for Amy Adams.

888
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: Cool later, of course, you have the same kind of

889
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: time weirdness Interstellar, which also confused me the first time

890
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: I saw it. But to get back to Arrival, I

891
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: think Arrival is an important film because it is clear

892
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: as opposed to Interstellar for different reasons. But it is

893
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: clear to me anyway that some form of NHI or

894
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: non human intelligence from some other place might be extraterrestrial

895
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: something else don't know, But somebody else is trying to

896
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: interact with us, or is interacting. Whether they're trying or not,

897
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: they may just be doing it. And so the idea

898
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: that they are a technologically advanced civilization to us means

899
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: we're going to have to we need to do a

900
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: little extra homework. We can't necessarily plan on the other

901
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: guy doing the right thing by us, so we better

902
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: be a little more proactive about how So we may

903
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: need fewer generals and more linguists out there is the

904
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: moral of that story.

905
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think even going back to Apocalypto, I

906
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 2: think if fear is your first response, you will be

907
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 2: creating a world based on fear, and it will end badly.

908
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 2: Don't be afraid, be open minded. Now, if you're conditioned

909
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 2: to think to serve man and that it's going to

910
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 2: end badly, then it probably will. And so I think

911
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 2: that's a message we should all absorb, not just in

912
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,359
Speaker 2: terms of how we interpret the movies, but whatever is

913
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 2: to come with disclosure. Keep an open mind. We don't know.

914
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 2: We just don't know. Which brings us to our third movie,

915
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 2: The New World and the New World, which I'll let

916
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 2: you set that one up a little bit, but I

917
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,359
Speaker 2: just want to frame it in the sense that it's

918
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 2: really a continuation of the end of Apocalypto. It's why

919
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 2: we put Apocalypto and The New World in the same episode,

920
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 2: even though neither one are a movies in any way,

921
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 2: they're metaphorically alien movies. The New World came out in

922
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 2: two thousand and five. Terrence Malick directed it. He's an

923
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 2: enormously talented director, but it's nice and slow and that

924
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 2: kind of thing, So you either like that stuff for

925
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,240
Speaker 2: you don't. But that's not why it's such an interesting movie.

926
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 2: It's the story of the founding of Jamestown. And of course,

927
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 2: for those of you who know, this is not the

928
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 2: story of Thanksgiving, it's the story of Jamestown. Thanksgiving is

929
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 2: up in Plymouth. This is the relationship though you've all

930
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 2: heard of, between John Smith and Pocahontas. That's the story, right,

931
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 2: which has been enormously simplified to kids over the years.

932
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 2: And so what's lovely about this thing is they really

933
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 2: stretch it out and make it come to life. And

934
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 2: John Smith is played by Colin Ferrell. If you think

935
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 2: about Apocalypto, it's all the prequel. It's like the society

936
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 2: before anybody else shows up to disrupt it. So nine

937
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 2: tenths of that movie is about that society. Then that

938
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 2: one tenth at the end of Apocalypto is where you see, oh,

939
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,399
Speaker 2: new technological society shows up.

940
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 1: Now what's going to happen? And it doesn't answer that.

941
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 1: You feel that blanket. Now, what's great about watching these

942
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: back to back, which I did just last week for

943
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: this thing, is if you start watching The New World,

944
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 1: it literally is that scene, The New World begins with

945
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: the ships, this time belonged to the white European settlers.

946
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: These people are coming from Europe. They've got the big ships,

947
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: they've got the breastplates, they've got the they've got guns. Right,

948
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 1: these people are showing up. And then you got the Palatans,

949
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: the Native Americans. They've not seen this before. They're leading nice,

950
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: peaceful lives and suddenly these people just show up on

951
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: their shore.

952
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 2: In the movie A New World, John Smith, the English

953
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 2: kind of settler, finds himself basically a stranger in a

954
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 2: strange land. Right. He's coming in and he is living

955
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 2: amongst what feels like savages, and what he discovers is

956
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,720
Speaker 2: the beauty of this new culture, right to the point

957
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:21,280
Speaker 2: that he falls in love with Pocahontas. Now, my story

958
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 2: is not a love story, but I was a stranger

959
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,760
Speaker 2: in a strange land. And the way it all began

960
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 2: was back in the early nineties. I was doing some

961
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 2: work for a movie studio called Cannon Studios, and they

962
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 2: did a lot of big action movies in the eighties

963
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 2: and nineties, and they had made Get This a ten

964
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 2: picture deal, maybe it was even a twenty picture deal

965
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 2: with Chuck Norris. Right, Chuck Norris, before he became the

966
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 2: Internet meme, was a big action starr. Even before Texas

967
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 2: Walker Ranger. He was making movies like Delta Force and

968
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 2: Missing An Action and it was a big action star

969
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 2: and action. In case you don't know, action movies translate

970
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 2: very well internationally. Okay, so all of that's important. So

971
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 2: I get hired to write a new action movie for

972
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 2: Chuck Norris. Wow, okay, this is exciting. Yeah, what's the story?

973
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 2: They said, What we want to do is we want

974
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 2: to film this movie in Israel, where we have a

975
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 2: movie studio that we just built and we'd love to

976
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 2: film it there. And because we're going to be filming

977
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 2: it there, why not use that culture. Now, this is

978
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 2: a very different Israel from the Israel we know today.

979
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 2: This was in the early nineties, and so I had

980
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 2: never been to Israel, and despite my name, I am

981
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 2: not Jewish. But I thought, wow, this sounds like an

982
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 2: amazing adventure. And what they wanted me to do was

983
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 2: to write a movie that paired Chuck Norris with an

984
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 2: Israeli cop and do an action buddy comedy. What can

985
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 2: you go wrong? What could go wrong? So I was

986
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 2: being sent to Israel to spend two weeks as a

987
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,919
Speaker 2: ride along with an Israeli cop so I could get

988
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 2: to know what it would be like to be in Israel,

989
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 2: to be a policeman, get to know that character, so

990
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 2: I could actually maybe even base everything that I was

991
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 2: going to write on this cop who was going to

992
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 2: take me around, and of course Chuck Norris would be

993
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 2: playing some version of himself. So off I go to

994
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:27,959
Speaker 2: Israel and they put me up in a really nice

995
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,399
Speaker 2: hotel on Tel Aviv, and I'm told for the next

996
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 2: two weeks, I'm going to be meeting with this cop

997
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 2: and he's going to be driving me around and so fantastic.

998
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 2: He's what I was told was, he's an Israeli vice cop.

999
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 2: So the first day comes and I get dressed up

1000
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 2: to go. I think I'm going to go to the

1001
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 2: police headquarters and learn about procedures and how they do

1002
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,479
Speaker 2: their work. And up in front of this very nice

1003
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 2: hotel pulls this old rickety Ford Fiesta, grumbling and shaking

1004
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 2: and smoking and whatnot. And this guy gets out who

1005
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 2: looks like a cab driver, introduces himself as Shabby and

1006
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 2: says you must be friends. Get in and so I'm like, wait,

1007
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 2: what are you taking me to? The cop? He goes,

1008
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 2: I am the cop.

1009
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 1: Oh shabby the cop.

1010
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 2: So I get into his Ford Fiesta and we start

1011
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 2: driving and I was like, so is this your car? Oh? Yeah, yeah,

1012
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 2: this is my car. I'm like, wow, okay, this is

1013
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 2: what standard issue for police people. No, we don't have

1014
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 2: police vehicles here. What I come to learn is that

1015
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 2: the actual vice cops in Israel have no budget. All

1016
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 2: of the budget goes to the military defense. And so

1017
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 2: not only that he doesn't have a gun. He's a

1018
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 2: vice cop. He's going to go arrest drug traffickers and

1019
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 2: all sorts of stuff. He has no gun. They don't

1020
00:56:53,239 --> 00:57:00,320
Speaker 2: believe in them for police work. And so I'm like, wow, okay,

1021
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 2: this is I can already see Chuck Norris is going

1022
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 2: to have a field day with you. This is really interesting.

1023
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 2: This will be fun. So he says, I'm told that

1024
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 2: you're here to research for a Chuck Norris movie. This

1025
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,399
Speaker 2: is very exciting to me. I'm a big Chuck Norris fan.

1026
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna let you do my job today. I was like, whoa, whoa,

1027
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 2: we're just getting started. And so he says, we're going

1028
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 2: to go make a drug bust, and I'm going to

1029
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 2: show you how it works. And I'm like, okay, thinking

1030
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 2: we're going to make a drug bust, and this is

1031
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 2: where I'm really getting anxious about this idea. But you

1032
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 2: don't have a gun. I'm coming from America, where it's

1033
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 2: like always ends in a shootout when you're trying to

1034
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 2: make it.

1035
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: He's asking an unarmed American to make trug busts in

1036
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: a foreign country.

1037
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 2: Yes, also, I need to do a sidebar on the

1038
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 2: unarmed American. I am wearing khaki pants and a polo

1039
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 2: shirt appropriate of the times, and I am in no

1040
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 2: way dressed for Dea style work. I'm just to set

1041
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 2: the stage here. So we're going to go make a

1042
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 2: drug bust. And we keep driving further and further out

1043
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 2: of Tel Aviv. Now, if you've been to Israel, you

1044
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 2: know the further you go out of Tel Aviv, you're

1045
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 2: it's getting a little sketchy. And it's not even that

1046
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 2: it's a worse part of town. It's just that it's

1047
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,919
Speaker 2: like there's less and less town. You're getting further away

1048
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 2: from civilization. And we drive for I don't know what

1049
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 2: seemed like an hour or so and we get to

1050
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 2: what he defined as an Arab ghetto. Now I actually

1051
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 2: didn't know that there were Arab ghettos outside of Tel Aviv,

1052
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 2: but there are. And it was a big cinder block

1053
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 2: building and it's just getting dusk about the time that

1054
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 2: we pull up there, and he says, Okay, here's how

1055
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 2: it's going to work. Everyone here is selling opium. And

1056
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 2: you're going to see lights start flashing in the windows

1057
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 2: right that that are the code for this is what

1058
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 2: I have, and this is how much it is. Okay,

1059
00:58:58,040 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 2: so all we have to do is sit here and

1060
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 2: you pick window, and that's the person we'll go up

1061
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 2: and bust. And I'm thinking we I thought I was

1062
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 2: gonna sit in the car and wait for you to

1063
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 2: go make the drug bust, or maybe I'll watch from

1064
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 2: a distance or something. But he's making it sound like

1065
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 2: I'm going to be part of this drug bust. So

1066
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, we're so he we pick. I'm like, okay,

1067
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 2: I that window that looks good. So up we go.

1068
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 2: There's no elevator. We walk up all through these stairs.

1069
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 2: We get up to the fourth floor. We come up

1070
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 2: to the door and he says, okay, mister Hollywood, I'm

1071
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 2: sure you're gonna have a scene in the movie where

1072
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 2: Chuck Norris kicks down a door. You need to know

1073
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 2: what that feels like. So kick it down. Oh my god,

1074
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 2: I'm like me, you want me to kick it down?

1075
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 2: He's like, come on, You're a big guy. You can

1076
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 2: do it. So I'm like, ah, okay, So there I go.

1077
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 2: I try and do the Hollywood move to kick it down.

1078
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 2: I almost blow out my knee. My whole knee just

1079
00:59:55,760 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 2: reverberates with pain. He's laughing hysterically, and he go and

1080
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 2: knocks on the door. An old woman opens it, looking

1081
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 2: at us, like what are you doing here? And he

1082
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 2: says something to her, he speaks her language, and she

1083
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 2: rolls her eyes and opens the door and lets us in,

1084
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 2: and he kind of motions to me, now I'm limping.

1085
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 2: I come in the house and this little apartment and

1086
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 2: there's two teenagers, these Arab teenagers that are sitting on

1087
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 2: the floor watching an old black and white TV and

1088
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 2: they're watching The Love Boat, for whatever that's worth. And

1089
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 2: he turns to me and he says, go ahead, ransack

1090
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 2: the place. Look for the drugs. I'm like, ransacked the place.

1091
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 2: I don't feel comfortable doing this, and he's like, no,

1092
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 2: it's fine, we do this all the time. Just go ahead.

1093
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 2: So I'm like very carefully going and opening drawers and

1094
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 2: being very polite. And meanwhile, the grandmother is in cooking

1095
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 2: dinner in the kitchen, looking at me, glaring at me,

1096
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I'm just I'm trying to be very respectful.

1097
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 2: I'm like, after a couple minutes of just pretending to

1098
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 2: look for drugs, I'm like, no, no drugs here, let's go.

1099
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 2: Didn't work out. Sorry, this was great learning experience. He's like, no,

1100
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 2: I know they're selling drugs and he so we walk

1101
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 2: out and he says, I'm going to catch you. We're

1102
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 2: going to catch you tonight. We close the door, we

1103
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 2: go back downstairs. I'm like, wow, that was great. You

1104
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 2: can I've learned a lot. I need to go write

1105
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 2: all of this down. You can take me back to

1106
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 2: the hotel now, and he said, no, you're going to

1107
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:22,439
Speaker 2: be with me for two weeks. I'm like, yeah, every

1108
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 2: day for two weeks, I'm going to come in. We're

1109
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 2: going to do some version of this. He goes, no,

1110
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 2: we're together for the next two weeks. I go what, No,

1111
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 2: I didn't pack anything, so you don't know any you

1112
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 2: don't need anything, You'll be fine. I don't need anything

1113
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 2: at least I don't even have toothbrush, So now you'll

1114
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 2: be fine, you Americans. We get back to the car

1115
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 2: and I'm like, okay, so where are we going now?

1116
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 2: And he's, oh, no, we're going anywhere where. You're going

1117
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 2: to arrest this guy. I'm like, I'm going to arrest him.

1118
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 2: I'm not a copy. He said, no, you'll you do

1119
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 2: the arrest and then I'll step in. I'm like, what

1120
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 2: if he shoots me. He's like, he doesn't have a gun.

1121
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, how do you know? He's like, nobody has guns. Like, okay,

1122
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 2: So sure enough, After about fifteen minutes, one of those

1123
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 2: the older of the two teens, comes down to make

1124
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 2: a sale and he pushes me out of the car

1125
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 2: and he go get him. Now. By now, it's like

1126
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 2: a hot summer night, and there's a bunch of people

1127
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 2: out in the parking lot milling around like it's a

1128
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 2: social thing. And now I'm chasing this teenager and everyone

1129
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 2: starts clapping and cheering, and I'm chasing him around and

1130
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 2: circles in the parking lot, and I mean long khaki pants,

1131
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 2: not dressed in any way appropriately for this, and sure

1132
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 2: enough I can't catch him, and Shabby steps in and

1133
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 2: trips the kid when he runs by him and goes

1134
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 2: over and picks the kid up by the shirt, slaps

1135
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:47,959
Speaker 2: him twice across the face and says, what are you doing.

1136
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 2: You're embarrassing yourself. Now get to jail. And the kid

1137
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 2: kind of nodded and that was that, and he was

1138
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 2: going to go put check himself into jail the next day.

1139
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 2: And I was like, that's not how it works in America,

1140
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 2: and he said, no, this is these people. They have

1141
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 2: problems and it doesn't matter what culture you're from. If

1142
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 2: you've stooped to crime, you need help, and that's when

1143
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 2: you go to prison to get help. And there's honor

1144
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 2: in that in asking for help. And I was like, wow, okay,

1145
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 2: I'm this is going to be a very interesting movie

1146
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 2: with Chuck Norris, because that's not how Chuck operates. So

1147
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, okay, now it's eight nine pm. I said, okay,

1148
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 2: so now what are we gonna do? Where am I

1149
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 2: going to sleep? And he goes, We're going to sleep

1150
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 2: in the desert. Tonight. I'm like what. He goes, Oh,

1151
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 2: it'll be beautiful. You're gonna love this, and so I'm

1152
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 2: like okay, and he goes, yeah, I have a special

1153
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 2: treat for you. So we start driving, and as we

1154
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 2: get off the highway and we get further and further

1155
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 2: into the middle of Israel, just like you, suddenly we're

1156
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 2: not on roads anymore. We're on dirt roads. And then

1157
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 2: pretty soon we're not on anything. We're just driving right,

1158
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 2: And that's when I noticed that the passenger seat is

1159
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 2: not bolted to the floor of his Ford Fiesta. Yeah.

1160
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 2: And by the way, he was one of those Middle

1161
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 2: Eastern drivers who drives with two things, his gas pedal

1162
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 2: and his horn. There is no break, so he's got

1163
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 2: music blaring, he's smoking a cigarette, he's got the gas

1164
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 2: pedal to the floor. We're going we are off roading

1165
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 2: in an old Ford Fiesta, and my seat is not

1166
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 2: bolted to the floor. So I am like on a

1167
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 2: roller coaster ride from hell, getting sicker by the moment.

1168
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 2: And we're just driving for what feels like hours, and

1169
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 2: it was hours. It was probably like one thirty two

1170
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 2: in the morning. When we finally come to a rest mercifully,

1171
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 2: and we hit this kind of crest, this ridge, looking

1172
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 2: down into this massive valley, and it actually wasn't the valley.

1173
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 2: It was an old dry river, like a massive like

1174
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 2: I'm talking like Mississippi River, like huge thing. But that's

1175
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 2: not the interesting thing. What was amazing was as far

1176
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 2: as you could see in every direction were tents. It

1177
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 2: was a tent city stretched out across the in the

1178
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:01,959
Speaker 2: middle of the desert with lantern and every like. I've

1179
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 2: never seen anything like that, and I was like, what

1180
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 2: is this? And he goes, these are the Bedouins. Now,

1181
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 2: for those of you who don't know, the Bedouins are

1182
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 2: this ancient culture that is basically allowed to roam as

1183
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 2: nomads all across the Middle East and they don't recognize

1184
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 2: borders and they have this kind of mystical way about them.

1185
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 2: And most people don't get to meet the Bedouins. But Shabi,

1186
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 2: my guide, knows how to speak Bedouin and so language

1187
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 2: apparently whatever it's a, it's a I guess it's a nuance.

1188
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 2: It's like a dialect or something. But he had interact

1189
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 2: with them before and he knows how to speak their language.

1190
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 2: So down we drive this into this old dry river bed,

1191
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 2: and we start just driving through the tent city, and

1192
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 2: in the middle of the tent city is this big

1193
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 2: top and it's where the elders all meet and they

1194
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 2: sit around making plans for the next day and the

1195
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 2: future and whatnot. So he pulls up his Ford Fiesta

1196
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 2: and we walk right into the elder tent. And inside

1197
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 2: this tent, which was square, there's sitting around the perimeter

1198
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 2: of about three a little more than three quarters of

1199
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 2: it are all these old men in robes with long beards,

1200
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 2: and they're sitting on pillows. And we walk in and

1201
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 2: everyone goes.

1202
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 3: Shobby and I'm standing there, not quite sure what I'm

1203
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:31,520
Speaker 3: supposed to do, and they're talking to him and asking

1204
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 3: him questions, and he's pointing at me and saying something

1205
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:37,440
Speaker 3: or other, and I'm thinking, Wow, this is amazing.

1206
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 2: I've seen a Bedouin tent. But they've got a lot

1207
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 2: of big work to do here. So we're going to leave,

1208
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 2: and then he waves me over and he goes, they

1209
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 2: want you to stay, and they're going to do a

1210
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 2: ceremonial tea coffee for you. And I'm like why, and

1211
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 2: he's like, here's the thing I tried to explain to

1212
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 2: them that you were here doing research for a Chuck

1213
01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 2: Norris movie, and all they could really understand is that

1214
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 2: you're Chuck Norris. Oh my god. And so I noticed

1215
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 2: everyone's looking at me, and I'm like, do they even

1216
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 2: know who Chuck Norris is? And he goes, he's very

1217
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 2: popular here and they are very honored to have you here,

1218
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 2: and so just play along with it. And I'm like, okay,

1219
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 2: what do I have to do? And he go sit

1220
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 2: down and look important, look tough, and I'm like, okay.

1221
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 2: So everyone scoots and moves and they give me this

1222
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 2: honorable pillow where I'm like sitting in the middle of

1223
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 2: this whole big tent. On the side. I'm looking and

1224
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 2: these elders are looking at me like this is a

1225
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:38,440
Speaker 2: moment where if we had cell phones back then, they

1226
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 2: would have wanted a selfie or Chuck Norris. By the way,

1227
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 2: I met Chuck Norris through all of this. He's about

1228
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 2: a foot shorter than me. Very nice man. I look

1229
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 2: nothing like Chuck Norris, but there I am. I'm sitting

1230
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 2: there and over in one corner of the tent, it's

1231
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 2: all partitioned off and there's a bunch of women in

1232
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 2: veils making coffee and fresh peeda bread. And now that

1233
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 2: we're having this ceremonial drink, outcome all of the platters

1234
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 2: and everyone's getting their coffee and their peeda bread. Before

1235
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 2: I get on with the rest of the story, I

1236
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 2: will say it was the best pieda bread I've ever had.

1237
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:15,480
Speaker 2: It was amazing also, but I had Shabby hadn't fed

1238
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 2: me yet for hours, so I was voraciously eating pea bread.

1239
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:22,679
Speaker 2: And I was given what looked like a double shot

1240
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 2: glass of coffee. And I, at the time did not

1241
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 2: drink coffee. I just didn't drink coffee. And so I

1242
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 2: really and I really didn't even drink soda pop, so

1243
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:35,759
Speaker 2: I didn't really have a lot of experience with caffeine.

1244
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 2: But they make a toast, they say something or other.

1245
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 2: Shaby's not translated. He said, they're talking about how wonderful

1246
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 2: you are and this great American who's come to visit them,

1247
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 2: and so he says, now it's time to drink. So

1248
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 2: everyone takes the thing and they put it to their mouth,

1249
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 2: and I'm okay, I don't drink coffee, but I guess

1250
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 2: I'm going to do what the natives do. I put

1251
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 2: the thing to my mouth and it's like a can

1252
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 2: of wet dog food. It's like it's not even liquid,

1253
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:07,640
Speaker 2: it's like this gunk. And I'm going like this, like

1254
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 2: it won't come out, and then all of a sudden,

1255
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 2: the entire contents of that little double shot glass go

1256
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:20,639
Speaker 2: into my mouth, and not only is it horrible tasting,

1257
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 2: it's gushy, and I don't know what to do with it.

1258
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 2: And I'm it's in my mouth. I can't spit it

1259
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 2: out in the middle of this like ceremony, so I

1260
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 2: just swallow the whole thing. And as I swallow the

1261
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 2: whole thing, I noticed that Shabby is looking at me

1262
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:40,680
Speaker 2: like with just this blank face, and every elder is

1263
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:45,160
Speaker 2: leaning in and looking at me, and the elder next

1264
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:51,719
Speaker 2: to me goes, Chuck Norris, and I'm looking at Shoppy

1265
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 2: and he goes, you're going to die, and I go,

1266
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 2: what are you talking about? He goes that coffee is

1267
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 2: supposed to last a whole day. You touch your tongue

1268
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 2: to it, you drag the whole thing. We have to

1269
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:07,880
Speaker 2: get you out of here. You're gonna die. And I'm like, okay,

1270
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 2: So I get up, and everyone's like Chuck Norris like

1271
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:14,000
Speaker 2: looking and waving at me like they just saw the

1272
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:17,960
Speaker 2: most incredible feat. Chuck Norris just lived up to his name,

1273
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 2: and in fact, years later I started to wonder, was

1274
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 2: I the one that started those internet memes where Chuck

1275
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 2: Norris is indestructible? Did it start in that tent? I

1276
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:32,240
Speaker 2: think it might. So there I am, and I am

1277
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Speaker 2: I'm thinking, okay, I'm not feeling anything yet, and Shabby

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Speaker 2: gets me in the car and he's like, the happy,

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Speaker 2: go lucky guy is gone. Now he's like looking like,

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Speaker 2: oh my god, I'm gonna get this guy killed. And

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Speaker 2: we're just He's driving like a madman, and all of

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Speaker 2: a sudden, I start to feel the good chunk, good chunk,

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Speaker 2: good chunk on my heart and I'm like, oh boy, okay,

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Speaker 2: here we go and I feel like I am having

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Speaker 2: a heart attack. I can't my brain is throbbing. Everything

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Speaker 2: in my body is off, and I go, Chobby, this

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Speaker 2: is not It's really hard to breathe. You. I know,

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Speaker 2: I know it's gonna be okay. So we're just driving

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Speaker 2: for I don't even know how long is It was

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Speaker 2: a blur, but he takes us to the coast to

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Speaker 2: a Kabbutz where he knows somebody, right and a kibbuts

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Speaker 2: is this like living community, right, a shared living community?

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Speaker 2: And it's this beautiful beach. And by now we've been driving,

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Speaker 2: it's six am and the sun is starting to come up.

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Speaker 2: We get to the beach and he goes get out

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Speaker 2: of the car. I'm like, is there a doctor here?

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Speaker 2: He goes, no, doctor, you just need to walk this off.

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Speaker 2: Just walk back and forth on the beach and do

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Speaker 2: not stop and keep breathing. You'll be okay. You have

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Speaker 2: to be reminded. Okay, all right. So that's what I

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Speaker 2: do for the next I don't know, eight nine hours.

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Speaker 2: I just keep walking on the beach. Meanwhile, he falls

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Speaker 2: asleep on the beach right, And pretty soon my heart

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01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 2: starts to slowly work down, and I'm like, okay, I

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Speaker 2: think I'm going to survive this. I go over and

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Speaker 2: I wake him up, and I'm like, can I please

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Speaker 2: go back to the hotel? When he goes, yes, I

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Speaker 2: will take you back. Now. That was the first day

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Speaker 2: of two weeks on that research trip. By the way,

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Speaker 2: the movie did get made. I was only one of

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Speaker 2: a number of writers that worked on it. It's called

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Speaker 2: hell Bound. It is said in Israel. It is the

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Speaker 2: story of Chuck Norris, a cop from I Believe Detroit

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Speaker 2: who works to solve a crime with an Israeli cop.

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Speaker 2: So there you go.

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Speaker 1: I just enjoyed the hell out of that story. Wow,

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Speaker 1: I'm just imagining you as too much coffee man walking

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Speaker 1: on the beach for nine hours while the guy who

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Speaker 1: said you're going to die is sleeping. I can't even

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Speaker 1: imagine what you're thinking. There's a lot of similarities in

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Speaker 1: our two stories, though. We're both on assignment doing preliminary

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Speaker 1: research for what will become a shoot. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: my thing became a shoot. They Clyde went back later

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Speaker 1: to the Headhunters and actually shot a show there.

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Speaker 2: I did not get.

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Speaker 1: And I want to tell you something because I want

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Speaker 1: to see what your relationship in your story to it is.

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Speaker 1: I came home from what happened with the Headhunters and

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Speaker 1: I quit my job. That's how I went into I

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Speaker 1: in LA and I just said, you guys, you didn't

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Speaker 1: care about me. You put my life in danger, you

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01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 1: had no plan, and you barely paid me, so see

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Speaker 1: you later, and I quit. That was the last thing

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Speaker 1: I ever did for that company, which is interesting, and

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Speaker 1: I'm wondering did you have any reaction to what had

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Speaker 1: happened to you, where you made any life changing decisions

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Speaker 1: or anything.

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Speaker 2: They offered to send me back to Israel to do

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Speaker 2: research on another movie, which I politely declined, and not

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Speaker 2: because of the country. I just felt like I've been

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01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:56,200
Speaker 2: the stranger in a strange land long enough, and who

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Speaker 2: knows who they would misrepresent me or recognize me for

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Speaker 2: if I go back over there. Look, I think, I

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01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 2: know this is all crazy. This is one of those

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01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:07,800
Speaker 2: episodes where it's like wow, the way they're trying to

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Speaker 2: weave all of this together. But I do think that

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Speaker 2: this all kind of leads us back to that idea

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Speaker 2: of the New World. And I think if you look

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Speaker 2: at the three movies we've talked about, and the New

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Speaker 2: World is granted it is not an alien or UFO movie,

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Speaker 2: but it is about that the culture clashes. It is

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Speaker 2: about the assimilation, right, And I think we can now

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Speaker 2: look at America and we can see what happened to

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Speaker 2: the indigenous people of North America, and I think when

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Speaker 2: we step back out and we try and extrapolate, what

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Speaker 2: would that mean for first contact for us with aliens?

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Speaker 2: Have we learned any lessons in the history of human

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Speaker 2: civilization about the best way to approach this, Because for

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01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:56,599
Speaker 2: many times some subset of human has been the dominant race,

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Speaker 2: right that has come in and been the conquering race,

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Speaker 2: and we as a Mamurricans certainly have experienced that. But

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Speaker 2: what happens when the shoe is on the other foot.

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Speaker 2: What happens when somebody that is far more advanced than us,

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Speaker 2: that has more technology, more intelligence, more capability in terms

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Speaker 2: of maybe they exist above time, like the aliens in Arrival?

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Speaker 2: How will we respond to that? What lessons can we

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Speaker 2: take from these movies from history and hopefully do the

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01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:31,639
Speaker 2: right thing. Is it as simple as just don't be afraid,

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01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:34,200
Speaker 2: be open minded? I don't think so. I think that's

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Speaker 2: a good place to start. But I actually think this

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Speaker 2: is going to be one of those situations where when

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Speaker 2: first contact is made, it's going to be essential that

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Speaker 2: we have the right people like Amy Adams on the

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Speaker 2: front line, making the right decisions and most importantly, figuring

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Speaker 2: out how to communicate in the most mutually beneficial way.

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Speaker 1: In a future episode, by the way, we are going

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Speaker 1: to take a look at some more alien like films

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Speaker 1: where the clash of civilizations is alien to human I

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Speaker 1: just wanted to end on one thought here. We have

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Speaker 1: talked about some great films that you should see. Most

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Speaker 1: people who are into this world probably know about it

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Speaker 1: and have seen Arrival.

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Speaker 2: It does get better on.

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Speaker 1: A second viewing, even though because you do tend to

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Speaker 1: get a little deeper in it. Definitely enjoyed Apocalypto in

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Speaker 1: the New World, and frankly, if you're going to watch them,

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Speaker 1: probably watch them in that order. But a thought for everyone.

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Speaker 1: Something that's brand new out there is something on Apple

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Speaker 1: TV Plus called Chief of War, and that's our good

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Speaker 1: friend Jason Momoa, of course, and it's about the same

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Speaker 1: thing that basically in the eighteenth century in the Hawaiian Islands,

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Speaker 1: where the Hawaiians themselves were in the middle of internal

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01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:52,800
Speaker 1: conflict between themselves when the colonists show up and the

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Speaker 1: whole thing you have the collision between the indigenous culture

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Speaker 1: and this other culture that has guns, for example, right,

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Speaker 1: And that's very interesting. I've only watched a few of

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Speaker 1: the episodes, so I can't comment more than that, other

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Speaker 1: than to say, if you're intrigued by this idea, it

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Speaker 1: does sound like a good one, and the one thing

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Speaker 1: that first contact. I think the commonality between them all

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Speaker 1: brand of this try to summarize this first contact doesn't

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01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 1: happen all at once, at least in these films. First

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Speaker 1: contact unfolds through stages, so at first it may be

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01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 1: jaw dropping curiosity, but it's still curiosity. Then there's this

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01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:37,240
Speaker 1: sort of period, at least in these of cautious trade misunderstanding,

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01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:42,839
Speaker 1: things become unequal in the exchange. Then one society becomes

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Speaker 1: dependent on the other, and obviously the less technological one does.

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Speaker 1: And then this transformation. And if we don't want to

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Speaker 1: be the society that's transformed negatively, we should be thinking

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Speaker 1: about these things now. And I guess the way I

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Speaker 1: look at it is, if indeed we have been contacted

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Speaker 1: or in the middle of Nhi contact for eighty years,

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Speaker 1: we as a society have been deprived of the time

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Speaker 1: to get our brain around what's happening, our communal brain.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's unfair. So I wish the powers

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Speaker 1: that be will take that seriously and at least move

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Speaker 1: forward in again not laying out every single detail. Certainly

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Speaker 1: there are other ways we're going to.

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Speaker 2: Have to look at it.

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Speaker 1: But at least let's get on with the idea that

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Speaker 1: it's happening. If it's truly happening, let's get prepared for

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Speaker 1: the best possible outcome that we can manage.

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Speaker 2: That's where I leave. Hallelujah agree.

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