1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio man. 3 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 2: Welcome back George NORII with Vernon Mahumble back with us, 4 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,959 Speaker 2: Founder and director of the Palmistry Institute in Portland, Oregon. 5 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 2: Vernon has formal training in Veda cosmology, which has taken 6 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 2: him to India many many times, and he combines Eastern 7 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 2: and Western astrological disciplines into his practice as well. His 8 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 2: website is linked up at Coast tocoastam dot com. He's 9 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 2: got a couple of books out, including The Palmistry Cards 10 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 2: and Talk to the Hand. Vernon, Welcome back George. 11 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 3: Fantastic to be back on with you. Thank you so much. 12 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 2: Looking forward to this. How did you get interested in 13 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 2: palm reading? 14 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 3: It all started when I was walking around New York 15 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 3: and a friend pointed out a palmist who was sitting. 16 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 3: She was sitting on an easy chair on forty second 17 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 3: Street and and my friend said to me, get your 18 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 3: palm ready, and I said okay. And I was about 19 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 3: fifteen or sixteen at that time. And she looked at 20 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 3: my palm and she said two things, don't get married 21 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 3: too early, and number two, you're going to be doing 22 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 3: what I'm doing. One day, I was like a bounded 23 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 3: I was like thinking, really, I'm going to be sitting 24 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 3: in a lawn chair on forty seconds three giving readings 25 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 3: to people. But years later I met someone who became 26 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 3: my palm, my stream teacher and mentor, and I was 27 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 3: about twenty three twenty four at the time, and it 28 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 3: actually became my career about five six seven years later. 29 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 2: What constitutes the palm. 30 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 3: Well, it's our soul within our heart that's radiating all 31 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,639 Speaker 3: the lines and the configurations and the symbols on our hands. 32 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 3: Even the shape of our hands, and the hand is 33 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 3: our roadmap really of our life work, our life purpose. 34 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 3: It talks about our talents, our emotions, and even our 35 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 3: past lives. 36 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 2: Now we've heard that every fingerprint is different. Is every 37 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 2: palm print different? 38 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 3: Every palm print is different because we're individuals. We're individual 39 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:31,519 Speaker 3: we're individualistic, and we're individual souls. So even the palms, 40 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 3: the right and the left palm are completely different many 41 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 3: times because one reflects the right brain and the other 42 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 3: reflects the left brain. So even the two palms on 43 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 3: our own hands can be quite different. 44 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 2: Why is there with law enforcement they talk about fingerprints, 45 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 2: but they don't talk about palm prints. 46 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 3: Well, George, they just haven't investigated that aspect. But really, 47 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 3: the fingerprints don't change throughout one's life. The lines do 48 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 3: move around a lot of configurations, and symbology does kind 49 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 3: of fade or come into a play, but the fingerprints themselves, 50 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 3: from birth to death never changed. So law enforcement uses 51 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 3: them for identification purposes only, and they are right to 52 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 3: do that because they are an individualistic print out of 53 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 3: our sole purpose. But they're completely unaware of the extensive 54 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 3: knowledge of life, purpose and past lives that they hold. 55 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 3: Of course, they're not interested in that. They just got 56 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 3: to find the criminals. But the fingerprints on our hands 57 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 3: are completely different from each other. There's no fingerprint that's 58 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 3: ever wrapped loated. It's it's completely amazing. 59 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 2: Now, your fingers are cut down into three digits, right, yeah, In. 60 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 3: Other words, there are three segments on each one right. 61 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 2: Which one is considered the fingerprint, the top one. 62 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 3: The very top one on the upper segments of your fingers. 63 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 3: The fingerprints are the are embedded into the top section 64 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 3: of the of the palm of the fingers. 65 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 2: The palm starts where the fingers. 66 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 3: End absolutely and the fingers represent planets. For instance, the 67 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 3: index finger is Jupiter, the middle finger Saturn, the ring 68 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 3: finger is the Sun, and the pinky is Mercury. And 69 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 3: if your index finger is longer it mean than your 70 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 3: sun finger or your ring finger, it means that you're 71 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 3: a very independent person and you want to have control 72 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 3: over your life purpose and your life work. If the 73 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 3: sun finger or the ring finger is longer than the 74 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 3: index finger, it means that self expression is more important 75 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 3: than just financial gain or having power and control. Many 76 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 3: artists have really long ring fingers, and many CEOs have 77 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 3: really long index fingers. 78 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 2: Now these lines in the palm, how do you know 79 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 2: what they mean? 80 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 3: They're the chakra system. New agers know exactly what that is, 81 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 3: the first chakra, second chakra, all the way to the 82 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 3: seventh chakra. These lines have everything to do with the 83 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 3: energy system of the chakras. And they do move around, 84 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 3: and they do fade, and they do come into play, 85 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 3: and they are a pretty much a secondary part of palmistry. 86 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 3: When people George, when people think of palmistry, they mostly 87 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 3: all was think of the lines, especially the lifeline. But 88 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 3: there's there's much more deeply detailed information that gives knowledge 89 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 3: of a person's sole purpose and their work lines don't 90 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 3: do that. They just talk about if we're actually using 91 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:24,359 Speaker 3: our energies and we're getting things done, or if we're not. 92 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 3: The chuckers are the energy systems. 93 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 2: If you had ten people hold their palms up, would 94 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 2: they look similar. 95 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 3: Absolutely not, because we're not similar. We're all we're all 96 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 3: we're all individuals. We all have our individual talents and abilities. 97 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 3: So now every poem you read is completely different, and 98 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 3: it's kind of it's it's kind of like reading a book. 99 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 3: People say, sometimes I grew up with with the statement, oh, well, 100 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 3: life doesn't come with instructions, but actually to a promise 101 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 3: that does. Our our hands are containing our instructions. 102 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 2: What does a palm say about the nature of our 103 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 2: spiritual soul? 104 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 3: It's it says that ultimately we are not this material body, 105 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 3: we are spiritual souls. We're eternal. Uh, We're just in 106 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 3: this material world for a very short, temporary amount of time, 107 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 3: and the soul is trying to get the attention of 108 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 3: the the bearer to come to the conclusion of actually, uh, 109 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 3: spiritual pursuits will give one happiness and fulfillment rather than 110 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 3: temporary material pleasures. 111 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 2: Do you ever see a soul. 112 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 3: No, uh, the the human I cannot see the soul. 113 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 3: But the soul is within the heart. It's within the 114 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 3: most inner core of the heart. And according to the 115 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 3: Vedic view, it's one ten thousands the size of the 116 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 3: tip of a hair. So that means if you take 117 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 3: the tip of a hair and cut into a hundred pieces, 118 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 3: and you take one of those pieces and cut it 119 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 3: into another one hundred pieces, that's the size of the soul. 120 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 3: So we don't have the scientific technology to view a soul. 121 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 2: Does it have shape? 122 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 3: Yes, this soul is not just an energy or a 123 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 3: light or something. It actually has a form. In other words, 124 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 3: in the spiritual world, we could be a man or 125 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 3: a woman, or a boy or a girl, or we 126 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 3: have a form, but that form does not die. It 127 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 3: doesn't have a material body. There's no birth, there's no death, 128 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 3: there's no disease, and there's no old age. The soul 129 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 3: is eternally youthful. Whatever type of body we have. 130 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 2: When you die, the soul separates. 131 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 3: Correct at the time of death, whatever one thinks about, 132 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 3: they take that body. Whatever one is attached to the 133 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 3: subtle body, and that's the mind, the intelligence, and the 134 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 3: ego it's the material covering of the soul, and that 135 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 3: material covering that takes us to another body. It's called 136 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 3: transmigration of the soul. So whatever we're attached to in 137 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 3: this lifetime, we focus on that at the time of death, 138 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 3: and then we take on that body. 139 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:45,199 Speaker 2: Does the soul echo the size of the human body? 140 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 3: Well, interestingly enough, yours. A soul shrinks when it comes 141 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 3: into the material world, and the soul is actually brighter 142 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 3: than the sun. In the spiritual world. Our soul is radiant, 143 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 3: and the sun, the sun planet is incredibly hot and bright, 144 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 3: and it's an enormous sphere, but it's still it's still 145 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 3: something material. Whereas the souls in the spiritual world they're 146 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 3: full of devotion and love, mercy, empathy, humility, and they shine, 147 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 3: They just it and the spiritual world is fully illuminated 148 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 3: by the entities themselves. 149 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 2: Whereabouts in the body vernon is the soul. 150 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 3: It's in the most innercore of the heart. Uh. That's why, uh, 151 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 3: that's why, that's why. Uh what we when we think 152 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 3: of ourselves and we point to our cells, we point 153 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 3: to the heart when when we're praying or where we're saying, 154 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 3: oh my God, we put our hands on our heart, 155 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 3: because that's where the soul is, and the soul radiates 156 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 3: its methods through the arms into the agency of the hands, 157 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 3: and the soul has a lot to say. 158 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 2: Does it have anything to do with the brain. 159 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 3: The brain is consciousness, but again it has to do 160 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 3: with the material covering called the subtle body, which is 161 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 3: composed of mind, intelligence, and ego, and that can change 162 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 3: from body to body to body. The brain gives logic 163 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 3: and reason and analyzation, but it's the soul within the heart. 164 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 3: This is why intuition is much more powerful because it's 165 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 3: the intuition comes from the heart, the emotions and the feelings. 166 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 3: So when one is intuitive, that intuition is so much 167 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 3: more powerful than just logic and reason. 168 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 2: You believe in reincarnation vernon absolutely and in in in 169 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 2: in the spiritual realm, it's called the transmigration of the soul, and. 170 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 3: It means that we can we can continue to receive 171 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 3: uh one body after another and the it's it's it's 172 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 3: fascinating because a person who is like a searcher George 173 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 3: or a seeker, someone who asks these questions, who is God? 174 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 3: What is my purpose in life? What am I here, 175 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 3: for they've probably have already taken on at least one 176 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 3: hundred material human bodies. Because if someone is is just 177 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 3: on the planet and uh there, they don't inquire. They're 178 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 3: not inquisitive about the you know, let's say spiritual life 179 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 3: or or or or transcendence. They've probably just had a 180 00:12:55,280 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 3: few human births and they're still trying to enjoy pleasures 181 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 3: within the material world. But then when when one becomes 182 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 3: more advanced, they they they realize, actually, you know, I 183 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 3: find happiness in this mature world, but I'm not I'm 184 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 3: not I'm not content, I'm not satisfied. I'm not fully fulfilled. 185 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 3: So when a soul starts to think, well, why is 186 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 3: it that I'm enjoying in this maturer world? I'm enjoying 187 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:27,319 Speaker 3: all the fruits of my labors, but I'm not fulfilled. 188 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 3: I get temporary happiness, and there's there's there's there's also 189 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 3: pain and suffering. Why why do I have to go 190 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 3: through this? So, after many many births and death in 191 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 3: a human body, a person finally begins to come to 192 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 3: an understanding of what am I doing here? And the 193 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 3: hand shows that progression of of advancement of consciousness and 194 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,199 Speaker 3: there is no such thing yours as an old soul. 195 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 3: All souls are eternal. But the idea here is that 196 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,839 Speaker 3: the old soul is someone who has been on a 197 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 3: search for meaning for a few lifetimes. 198 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 2: But the phrase old soul seems to be a good thing. 199 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 3: Oh, it's a wonderful thing. Yeah, but you know, it 200 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 3: does conjure the idea up that some souls are new 201 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 3: or they're but all souls, we're all eternal, we're we're 202 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 3: In Sanskrit, the soul is called sacha ananda. It means 203 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 3: that it's eternal, it's it's always joyful, and it's all. 204 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 3: It always has awareness, and it's never confused. That and 205 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 3: that sascha and nanda does not follow one into the 206 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 3: material world. We're constantly making mistakes. But when we when 207 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 3: we decide to uh come to the conclusion of the 208 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 3: that this material world is not really our home, we're 209 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 3: not meant to be here, then then people start making 210 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 3: spiritual uh in roads and they try to make spiritual 211 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 3: advancement and and the result is that a person becomes 212 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 3: humble inside, very very tolerant, and at the same time 213 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 3: very very very happy because they realize even they they 214 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 3: realize that this, this material world is not the source 215 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 3: source of their pleasure. It's it's what is the source 216 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 3: of pleasure is to understand that I'm not part of 217 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 3: this material world. And love is love is the key. Love, 218 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 3: Love is the answer whatever God a person believes in. 219 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 3: God is love. And even Christ said, uh, live in 220 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 3: the world, but don't be of it. And that's the key. 221 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 3: If one lives in the world and they're they're not 222 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 3: so much part of it. They're not attached. There's nothing 223 00:15:56,280 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 3: wrong with utilizing uh, you know, sell phones and cars 224 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 3: and like that, but don't be attached. The more we're attached, 225 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 3: the more we were not happy. But if we utilize 226 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 3: the fruits of the mature world but we're not attached 227 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 3: to them and we're constantly thinking of how to advance 228 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 3: in spiritual life, we will be happy. And that's what 229 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 3: that's the message of the soul that is radiating within 230 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 3: our hand. 231 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 2: Vernon is the soul like the astral body. 232 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 3: No, the astral body is a temporary body. The astral 233 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 3: body when we sleep at night. Sometimes that astral body 234 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 3: can go all over the place you can go, but 235 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 3: it sometimes it even contacts the ghostly realm, and it 236 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 3: could be very fearful. 237 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 2: As it comes back. 238 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, exactly. Actually, when we sleep at night, George, 239 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 3: the soul does not leave the body. That body that 240 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 3: you're talking about, the subtle body, the mind, the intelligence 241 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 3: that that leaves the body. And sometimes you know, when 242 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 3: we're woken up like violently or something, that that's that 243 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 3: that that that subtle body has to come back into 244 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 3: the body really quick. Sometimes it happens, and this is rare, 245 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 3: but sometimes it happens that a ghostly entity will try 246 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 3: to enter into the physical body of a sleeping person 247 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 3: while the subtle body is away. And when a subtle 248 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 3: body comes back, you know, it's it feels like a nightmare. 249 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 2: That happens sometimes. It truly is fascinating. It's a science, 250 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 2: isn't it. 251 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, the yes, it is. The palm is 252 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 3: an astrological chart for a palmist, and anything that an 253 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 3: astrologer can see, a palmist can see. For instance, we're 254 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 3: just talking about the fingers and the fingerprints. If you 255 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 3: look at your hand and either right or left, you'll 256 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 3: see that each finger has three segments and there's twelve 257 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 3: segments there and those are the signs of in astrology. 258 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 3: The sign signs meaning aries tarist, Gemini, cancer, Leo, Virgo. 259 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 3: Like that. 260 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: Listen to more Coast to Coast am every weeknight at 261 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 1: one a m. 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