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Speaker 1: I ever said I was your shif. Did you a shift?

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Speaker 2: Could you just say, welcome back to she Pivots, Welcome

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Speaker 2: to she Perfect, Welcome back to she Pivots. I'm your host,

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Speaker 2: Emily Tis Susman. We're releasing this episode in honor of Holocaust,

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Speaker 2: a of remembrance. I'm honored to be sharing the story

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Speaker 2: of Elizabeth Ballack, who is the author of Renie's Diary.

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Speaker 2: This book is an extraordinary recount written by her sister

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Speaker 2: during the start of World War Two. Just like Anne Frank,

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Speaker 2: Renya's Diary is a record of her daily life as

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Speaker 2: the Nazis spread through Europe. It's a moving and harrowing

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Speaker 2: account of what happened during that time, and I want

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Speaker 2: to take a moment. As a Jewish woman, the last

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Speaker 2: six months have been extremely difficult. It's been a mixture

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Speaker 2: of disappointment, confusion, anger, and most of all, fear. I'm

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Speaker 2: so honored to have a platform to be able to

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Speaker 2: share stories like Elizabeth, like renye'z. Those who went through

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Speaker 2: the tragedies of World War Two and the Holocaust are

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Speaker 2: getting older and their stories are more important than ever

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Speaker 2: and relevant as ever. Speaking with Elizabeth, it was fascinating

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Speaker 2: and even more fascinating to understand the perspective that she

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Speaker 2: has now looking back on her experience, something she experienced

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Speaker 2: over eighty years ago. Like many survivors, Elizabeth struggled to

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Speaker 2: confront the traumas of her past after building a life

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Speaker 2: here in America. It wasn't until she was married with

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Speaker 2: and it wasn't until a few years ago that she

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Speaker 2: had the strength to read it. Elizabeth's life is steeped

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Speaker 2: her life. I hope you get as much out of

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Speaker 2: this episode as I did speaking with Elizabeth.

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Speaker 1: Hi, my name is I was born ariana speaker. Then

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Speaker 1: when during the war, when I was about ten, I

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Speaker 1: was baptized and they named me elizabus Yaroslava Aricha Lushinshka.

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Speaker 1: It was on false papers, and when I married George Bellach,

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Speaker 1: who was six weeks old, I became Elizamus Bellach, but

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Speaker 1: still Elizabeth Why Belach? So right now? My name is

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Speaker 1: Elizabes Bella.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth previously Arianna, as she mentioned, was born in Poland

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Speaker 2: in nineteen thirties to an upper middle class family. She

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Speaker 2: was the younger of the two siblings. Between her and Rhenya, she.

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Speaker 1: Was six years older than I. My sister was an

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Speaker 1: extremely intelligent girl. My grandmother sent her outside of school

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Speaker 1: to this professor, yes Sina. He was a Polonistic professor.

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Speaker 1: So her Polish was beautiful. And you know, during when

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Speaker 1: lady who was a literary clitic and she read some

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Speaker 1: passages of my sisters, you know work, and she said,

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Speaker 1: how great was the Polish. I remember how we lived,

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Speaker 1: How wonderful she was. She was so romantic. She loved love,

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Speaker 1: She liked the birds, thing, she likes the windlow, She

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Speaker 1: saw the as tencha, you know, the rainbow. She saw

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Speaker 1: every beauty in everything. My sister, I mean, she was

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Speaker 1: just great. My sister unfortunate. She had to go to school.

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Speaker 1: And when my mother took me to be on the actress,

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Speaker 1: she could not manage my sister. But my sister adored

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Speaker 1: And she writes, you will help me, mom and God.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes I was. I was Paul Shirley Temple, and

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Speaker 1: One was called Granita and one was called Gehenna. And

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Speaker 1: was gifted in writing and I had a gift in speaking.

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Speaker 1: And then it was a summer of thirty nine. That's

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Speaker 1: During the war when the Soviets arrived in nineteen thirty nine.

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Speaker 1: Petrified walking on the street. The Germans start taking the

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Speaker 3: For many months, the occupiers considered a project to create

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Speaker 1: So now we are with the Germans and life is terrible.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth lived in the ghetto with her grandfather, still united

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Speaker 1: So we had a little communication with my mother and

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Speaker 1: it was really pretty bad. My sister, you know, she

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Speaker 1: So she had a friend. Now she becoming friend. How

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Speaker 1: we got the diary, you know. So Zigmund Swarza is

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Speaker 2: Zigmund becomes integral to both Elizabeth's survival and the survival

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Speaker 1: Zigmund becomes a friend. The girls are all jealous, and

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Speaker 2: Pressure was building and building quickly, so Zigmund took on

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Speaker 2: writing in the diary this passage quote, First of all,

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Speaker 2: dear Diary, please forgive me for wandering into your pages

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Speaker 1: So Zigmont takes his mother, the father was a doctor also,

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Speaker 1: he teaches him who he drives out of They get them,

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Speaker 1: He takes me out and I go to Jica's house.

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Speaker 1: So Zigmund takes me there, and I stayed there a

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Speaker 1: week and when somebody knocks on the door, they shoved

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Speaker 1: me under the bed. You know, I don't know. By

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Speaker 1: now my sister is died, and so are his parents.

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Speaker 1: Somebody ritage on them and they kill them.

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Speaker 2: Three three shots, three lives lost. It happened last night

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Speaker 2: at ten thirty pm. Fate decided to take my dearest

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Speaker 2: can hear are shots shots, shots, My dearest Rhia, the

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Speaker 2: last chapter of your diary is complete. Still in hiding,

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth had no idea her sister had just been killed,

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Speaker 2: as Sigmund made arrangements for her to escape with a

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Speaker 2: Christian man named Vesinski.

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Speaker 1: Chris was the story. My impact gives me a little

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Speaker 1: you know, there are golds twenty dollars gold notes, and

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Speaker 1: they are paced to my little thing inside and some

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Speaker 1: sell it, and you have a little money if you need.

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Speaker 1: So all I have is just a little lunch box,

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Speaker 2: Standing on the press pits of escape, little Elizabeth clenched

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Speaker 2: He took her to live with the butt of your family,

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Speaker 2: It was there the little Ariana was baptized and named

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Speaker 1: And I stay there for a while with my mom,

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Speaker 1: Now, I didn't know anything about the Catholic religion. What

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Speaker 2: They drove down through Dresden, Berlin and all the way

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Speaker 2: Finally freed. Her mother knew that life for her and

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Speaker 2: Finally they made it to America, ready to leave behind

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Speaker 1: He finds my mother in New York and he comes

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Speaker 2: How we found my mom?

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Speaker 1: It was it was nothing like today, and he finds

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Speaker 1: Of course, you can't imagine the crying and the hand on.

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Speaker 2: You know, the premise of this show is that sometimes

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Speaker 1: You have no idea behind those wires.

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Speaker 2: This part of the audio is a bit difficult to understand,

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Speaker 2: but Elizabeth made the connection between the atrocities she and

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Speaker 2: the creation and publication of her sister's diary.

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Speaker 1: It was because of my daughter that this book is existing,

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Speaker 1: because it was in the vault. My mom never read it,

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Speaker 1: neither did I. I started to translate and cry.

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Speaker 2: The diary sat in the safety deposit box and possession

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Speaker 2: age of just sixty three. From there, it was Elizabeth's daughter,

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Speaker 2: Alexandra who pushed to understand what the diary said. Once

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Speaker 2: She worked tirelessly for over twenty years to accurately translate

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Speaker 1: And finally the book is translated into twenty two languages.

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Speaker 1: It's so because of my daughter.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: I was Christian, of course, and I went to church

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Speaker 1: for years and all that. But because I was born

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Speaker 1: to defend the Jewish. Why should they be so murdered again,

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Speaker 1: that's no right, There's so few Jews around, for God's sake,

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Speaker 1: Why should they be murdered all the time? Hate like that? Hey,

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Speaker 1: it's terrible. It never was like this when I came

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Speaker 1: here nineteen forty six. Wasn't that bad? It just developed Now.

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Speaker 2: I want to get more of your opinion on this

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Speaker 2: because I think for me, as a young Jewish person

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Speaker 2: who grew up basically without anti Semitism, I really wasn't

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Speaker 2: It concerns me right now that not just the rise

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Speaker 2: apathy in nineteen thirties and forties.

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Speaker 1: Well, you suddenly see people ya don't want to die.

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Speaker 1: I understand the Palestinians, but it's not well, you know what,

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Speaker 1: it's fault here and there. I don't think that Nata

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Speaker 1: Yahoo was right what she was doing a trouble team.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't aware that the people were right there, you know,

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Speaker 1: rather than fighting with their own people. Right, that wasn't

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Speaker 1: so good. There should be unity for God's sake. Look

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Speaker 1: The Jewish a very small group. They've got to have unity.

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Speaker 1: Why people full of religion, Hey, you go to church, pray,

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Speaker 1: marsk pray, you praise the God. Why if you praise

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Speaker 1: your God you kill the other guy for God? Why?

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Speaker 2: Terrible?

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Speaker 1: That's why I say for me important to say that

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Speaker 1: we need acceptance. I know what suddenly happened. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's weird and it's in a short time, right, So

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Speaker 1: my sister's book is very up up to it.

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Speaker 2: Well, I know that we want to have time to

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Speaker 2: to see. But I know that we just need to

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Speaker 2: get us saying goodbye and thank you so we can

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Speaker 2: wrap it up. So thank you so much, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 1: Well, it was lovely to you.

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Speaker 4: Thank you as well, Stiff bye, nice, got you, shed.

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Speaker 1: That's got you, You get everybody else.

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Speaker 2: At ninety five, Elizabeth still lives in Manhattan and talks

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Speaker 2: proudly of her children and grandchildren. Standing at fairly five feet,

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth has a wonderfully large presence and zest for life.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to pick up a copy of Rena's diary.

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Speaker 2: It is truly a story important document. To learn more

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Speaker 2: about Elizabeth, you can actually follow her daughter Alexandra on

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Speaker 2: Instagram at Alexandra Belleck. Thanks for listening to this episode

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