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Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys like C. D. Lamb and now your hosts

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Speaker 1: Brian brought us, David Hellman, Bucky Brooks, and Kyle Yeomans.

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Speaker 1: It is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. As

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Speaker 1: we are live from inside the Star in Frisco. A

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Speaker 1: little bit of technical difficulties to get us started today

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Speaker 1: we have been over the last couple of weeks, unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: But well, we've got the same casting characters that we

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Speaker 1: have seen all year long here on the Draft Show.

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Speaker 1: Kyle Yeoman's alongside Brian brought us. We've got David Hellman

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Speaker 1: coming in just a couple of moments in. Bucky Brooks

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Speaker 1: as well, should be here shortly. But Brian will start

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Speaker 1: with you since well you're the only one here live

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Speaker 1: and ready to go. But first off, what are your

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Speaker 1: just general thoughts After having a couple of nights to

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Speaker 1: look back on what was the twenty twenty one draft? No,

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Speaker 1: it was, it was a very interesting draft. From overall,

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Speaker 1: and I think what you do in your evaluating drafts

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Speaker 1: is to see how teams address what they needed to accomplish.

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Speaker 1: And I think when the team that we cover the

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Speaker 1: most is the Dallas Cowboys, and so when you when

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Speaker 1: you look at what they were able to do, how

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Speaker 1: were they able to fix their defense? And that's what

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Speaker 1: I think they went out and did, not only addressing

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Speaker 1: but adding some key pieces, you know, Micah Parsons, Kelvin Joseph.

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Speaker 1: Those are good starts to what I thought was a

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Speaker 1: good draft for the Cowboys. As you go through the

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Speaker 1: entire draft, there were players that I was targeting. Did

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Speaker 1: I really like that they were able to get So

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Speaker 1: that was and good for them. So, Dave, I believe

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Speaker 1: you are back on with us now. So Hellman, I asked,

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Speaker 1: brought us this question a couple of moments ago. But

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Speaker 1: what what was your general thought whenever he came to

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty one draft and specifically the Cowboys class. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Saturday afternoons. I think this is the most boomer bust

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Speaker 1: potential draft that I can remember covering, and what I

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Speaker 1: mean by that is, you know, Micah Parsons is a

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Speaker 1: super talented guy, but I think he's a raw prospect,

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Speaker 1: a guy. You know, he opted out of twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: He's a young player. I don't want to say he's

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Speaker 1: a guy without a position, but he's a guy that

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Speaker 1: You know, are you going to use him to rush

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Speaker 1: he does is stop the run, which I get it,

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Speaker 1: that's important, But if that's all he does, are you

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Speaker 1: getting the most out of a number twelve overall pick

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Speaker 1: quarterback and affect the passing game? Kelvin Joseph fantastic player,

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Speaker 1: but we covered it during the draft. You know, not

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Speaker 1: a bad guy, not a bad person, but somebody that

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Speaker 1: the most fantastically talented players, but you know, I think

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Speaker 1: to help them succeed. And then, obviously, as we all remember,

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Speaker 1: Friday can't say they were bad picks yet, but surprising picks.

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Speaker 1: So if the Cowboys hit on all this stuff, then

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Speaker 1: they are gonna look really really smart, and if they don't,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna look really really bad considering some of the

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Speaker 1: other options that I think they had over the course

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Speaker 1: of the draft. Brian, when I think Dave made a

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Speaker 1: just want the cleanest player and the best player. And

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Speaker 1: those guys that you know, they had to your questions, Okay,

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Speaker 1: you in this situation? And that's what this pandemic has brought.

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Speaker 1: It's brought a lot of holes to the drafting process,

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Speaker 1: you know, and that's hard for scouts because what happens

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Speaker 1: is we're a face to face group. We're a face

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Speaker 1: not saying that Parsons or Joseph could not be the

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Speaker 1: some questionable guys too, but just not to the extent

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Speaker 1: this a direct reflection on a couple of things one,

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Speaker 1: of us might have taken Rashaun s Later at twelve overall.

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Speaker 1: And if you do, if you love what they did,

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Speaker 1: And I absolutely I believe them when they say that

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Speaker 1: Parsons was their highest graded defender. I still think they

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Speaker 1: that would have been smart, which and it's it's funny

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Speaker 1: to think how how it all shakes out, So like

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Speaker 1: I'm sure they had a really high grade on him.

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Speaker 1: and that's I guess that's my point is are you

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Speaker 1: balances out at some point or another. And I know

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Speaker 1: they drafted three offensive players, but the first six were

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Speaker 1: you've taken steps toward rebuilding that thing. So in light

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Speaker 1: it like they're not gonna let this or they're gonna

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Speaker 1: way it did last year. Brian, Is it determination, is

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Speaker 1: it desperation? What do you believe on that side of

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Speaker 1: they're the majority of their draft, especially on the defensive

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Speaker 1: their board at that time. The one that's interesting to

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Speaker 1: me is the right pick, and you know, that was

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Speaker 1: one of those where I'm I'm hearing that they had

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Speaker 1: If that's the case, well then they got the player

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Speaker 1: where they put him on the board. So you know

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Speaker 1: that that's all you can ask. You know, time will

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Speaker 1: tell whether they're right or whether guys like myself, the

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Speaker 1: Days of the World, David Hellman's Katie, you know, Jeff Kavanaugh,

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Speaker 1: guys would study this. You know, we could be really

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Speaker 1: it's just kind of digging in a little bit. They

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Speaker 1: they were taking players around or so higher than what

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Speaker 1: Jerry Jones's honesty on Saturday Night, he kind of he

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Speaker 1: acknowledged that of saying like, yeah, you know, I saw

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Speaker 1: you know, people saying we reached on right, but then

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Speaker 1: Jabril Cox fell to us in the fourth round, and

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Speaker 1: I guess his ideas that it all kind of averages

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Speaker 1: be as true to the board as possible. But if

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Speaker 1: now why they would go after a right just because

429
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 1: of the thinking of maybe being a guy that's going

430
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Speaker 1: to create window problems for quarterbacks in this draft day.

431
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,919
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just fascinated. And you know I watched I

432
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 1: think I watched an hour of his tape on Saturday

433
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 1: morning after he was picked. I definitely, you know, I

434
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 1: said it on the broadcast. Like I like his movement ability.

435
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 1: He looks surprisingly fluid for a guy who's that big.

436
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 1: I like his willingness to get in the mix. He's

437
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 1: a chippy like willing tackler. His short area like when

438
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 1: he you know, if he's in open space against a smaller,

439
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 1: you know, shiftier player, I think he's gonna be in trouble.

440
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 1: But I do think there's stuff there to like, I'm

441
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: just it's gonna be fascinating. Obviously, we won't know for

442
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,640
Speaker 1: a year or two years or three years just how

443
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: correct they were or wrong, but you know, we'll be

444
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: able to make some sort of judgment as early as

445
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,679
Speaker 1: this training camp because I mean, in my opinion, I know,

446
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 1: you know, he's not going to start. Nobody should be

447
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 1: expecting him to start, even if even if he did

448
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 1: have a true third round grade from everybody, But like

449
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: if you're a top one hundred pick, I expect you

450
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 1: to contribute, you know, I mean, and the history indicates

451
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: that that is a reasonable expectation. So you know, it

452
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,120
Speaker 1: was only last year Reggie Robinson was a fourth round

453
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:37,439
Speaker 1: pick and couldn't couldn't get active, let alone on the field.

454
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 1: So I'm very curious to see just how much this

455
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: guy can contribute early because if if he's really you know,

456
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: if he's as good as they think he is, they

457
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: should be able to find a way to use him

458
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 1: as a rookie in my opinion. And you know, maybe

459
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 1: if if he needs some more seasoning, that won't be

460
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: the case, but it'll it'll be interesting to see how

461
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 1: quickly he can hit the ground running. Kind Of staying

462
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 1: with that same topic, in that same theme, Dave, I'll

463
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: turn this question to you. A caller, actually, one of

464
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 1: our listeners called in, and unfortunately we're virtual, we can't

465
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Speaker 1: take phone calls. So we took this question though, and

466
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 1: Eli said, who are some of the draft picks that

467
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: are going to replace specific players and who are they

468
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 1: going to replace on this roster or move into those

469
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 1: spots that have vacated so out of the draft class, Dave,

470
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: who are some of the guys that are going to

471
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 1: have some competition that are currently on this roster. If

472
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: you've listened to Steven Jones talk at all in the

473
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: last two weeks, he is he is dying to fire

474
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 1: some people, and that sounds that sounds mean, but like

475
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are hard up against the cap in twenty

476
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 1: twenty one, Like by the time they pay all these

477
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: rookie salaries, they'll be right up on the cap. And

478
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,360
Speaker 1: you know, Steven Jones talked about, you know, maybe being

479
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 1: able to trade guys at training camp, Like if this

480
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: class is as successful as they wanted to be early,

481
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: I think you could see a lot of intense competition

482
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Speaker 1: for veteran jobs. You know, I pulled up the depth chart, okay,

483
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: I mean, if Micah Parsons is the twelfth overall pick,

484
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 1: they better be able to find a way to get

485
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,439
Speaker 1: him on the field a lot. So that's either playing

486
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: with more linebackers or finding an excuse to take a

487
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: veteran linebacker off the field, maybe using Mica as like

488
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 1: a Sam dpr in addition to off ball linebacker stuff.

489
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: I absolutely expect Kelvin Joseph to push for a starting job,

490
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Speaker 1: whether that's you know, I would imagine that's at the

491
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: expense of Anthony Brown. But you know what, I think

492
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Speaker 1: it would be a mistake to just completely write Anthony

493
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Speaker 1: Brown off, Like, never discount the ability of a five

494
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: six year NFL veteran. So that's going to be interesting

495
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: what you know. Obviously the defensive line again, like, is

496
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 1: Odiggy Zooa good enough to take a starting job away?

497
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: Probably not. Is Quentin Bohana good enough to take a

498
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: starting job away from the likes of like maybe Antoine

499
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: Woods or Brent Urban, Probably not. But I expect all

500
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Speaker 1: of those guys to push to be in the rotation.

501
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 1: Steven Jones said, he said yesterday on one oh five

502
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: three with Jeff and Brian that it's a stretch, but

503
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: he thinks it's possible that all eleven draft picks make

504
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 1: the team. I don't think. I don't think I believe that.

505
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: But just through the math, they spent seven picks on

506
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 1: they spent seven picks in the first through fourth round.

507
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: They have not cut a first through fourth round rookie

508
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: in the almost decade that I've covered the team. So

509
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: that's seven rookies right there that are damn near guaranteed

510
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: to make it. And then you've got another four. So

511
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: even if only like one or two of those four

512
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: make it, you're talking about like eight nine guys making

513
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: the team is draft picks, and they'll absolutely push for

514
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 1: maybe not starting jobs, but again, like a guy like

515
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: Bradley and I's a great example. We all love Bradley

516
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 1: and I they got great value on him, but like

517
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,479
Speaker 1: he's a fifth round pick at the end of the day,

518
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: there's nothing keeping him on the team if somebody outplays him.

519
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: So that's the type of stuff you gotta watch. In

520
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 1: my opinion, Yeah, I think you also, I think Dave

521
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: did a great job of going through the guys. Also

522
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: watch Simmy Juko at at wide receiver. You've got You've

523
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: got expensive guys like Noah Brown. You know that that's

524
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: an expensive guy for you right there, and all of

525
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: a sudden, if you could get a guy to play

526
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,360
Speaker 1: special teams in the role of Noah, in the role

527
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,199
Speaker 1: of Noah Brown, then you take his salary, you know,

528
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 1: right off the book. Off the books. I'll be interested

529
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: to see what happens to at the defensive tackle spot

530
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 1: as well. Will Bohanna be better than Woods? You know again,

531
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: that's where they keep bringing Woods back, and in that situation,

532
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: I you know, he might be something that that turns

533
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: into a swap out there. Dave mentioned o Diggi Zawa.

534
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: I mean Hill is young, Galla War is young at

535
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: that under tackle though, could he replaced one of those guys.

536
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: I mean those that was a set I can round

537
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: pick that was a third round pick. But you know,

538
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: we'll see. Let's see what happens with Josh Ball. Usually

539
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: offensive tackles need to usually offensive tackles need to come

540
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: in and learn how to hold, trip and clip before

541
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: they're really any good. But could he come in and

542
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: could he be better than a Brandon Knight who they

543
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: might shift to guard? You know, could you know, could

544
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: he be you know, there's just all kinds of things

545
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: I think with the you know, with offensive tackle, uh,

546
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: the sicky you know they brought him in. It might be, hey,

547
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: we don't need a veteran guy. This guy would be

548
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: our swing tackle. Cotter Williams gets beat out at at guard,

549
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: maybe you move on from him. So there are a

550
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: lot of things. There's a lot of ways they can

551
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: tweak this roster with the players that they got. I

552
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: don't I don't say this to be glib, like I'm not.

553
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to make light of it, because this

554
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: is guy's livelihoods and careers and stuff like that. But

555
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys would be app absolutely thrilled to

556
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: shed some expensive veteran like Brian brought up Noah Brown,

557
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: Cedric Wilson, Antoine Woods or probably in that boat, Tie Inseckie, Like,

558
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: if any of these guys prove, if you prove to

559
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: the front office that you can do just as good

560
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: of a job for six hundred thousand dollars as opposed

561
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: to the seven figure salary that the veteran in front

562
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: of you is making, that helps. I mean, especially for

563
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: a team that is clearly very worried about the CAP.

564
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: I think that's what you needs to have their eye

565
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: on throughoutout the summer, like mini camp, training camp, all

566
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: that stuff. Worried enough to make all eleven picks, and

567
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: they did just that whenever the draft came around last weekend. Okay,

568
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: so this question comes from Luke Wells. He wants to

569
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: play a game of bust or broken, and we saw

570
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: yesterday Laton vander Esh not necessarily or excuse me, the

571
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: Cowboys declining his fifth year option. He falls into the

572
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: broken category just be based off of injury issues that

573
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: he's had in the past. But he wants you guys

574
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: to place Jalen Smith into one of those two categories.

575
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: Is he just a straight bust or is he still

576
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: technically broken? From some of the injury issues he's had

577
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: in the past, and it could he be one of

578
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: those guys that has has his back against the wall

579
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: with some of these draft picks coming in. Brian, Yeah,

580
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: I think to me that I wouldn't be throwing dirt

581
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: on Layton Vanders quite yet myself, because I believe they're

582
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: going to try and get an extension with him. Now,

583
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: whether you agree with it or not, you know, we'll see.

584
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: They obviously feel like that they you know, they don't

585
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: want to pick up the option. Maybe they can make

586
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: it a situation where it's like, hey, we can get

587
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: a couple more years, we can structure it differently. We

588
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: don't want to pay the full nine million dollars for that.

589
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: So I think that they're trying to be proactive there.

590
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: I think the thing with Jalen Smith, though, is dan

591
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: Quinn's probably come in and said, listen, there's certain things

592
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: that I can do with him, and there's things I

593
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: can't do with him. I can't put him in coverage

594
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: and feel really really good about it. I've got this

595
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: new rookie that I know can rush the passer. He's

596
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: got the mobility to change the direction and stuff like that.

597
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,719
Speaker 1: So I think that would be one that when we

598
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: get to after twenty twenty two, I don't see that

599
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: happening for him. I don't see Jaylen Smith being on

600
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: this team. So I feel and Vanderesh will be here.

601
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: I have a feeling though, that Jayleen Smith won't be here.

602
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: That would be my That would be bust for me. See,

603
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: maybe I'm maybe I'm just as softie like I mean,

604
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: if you've listened to my work at all, you should

605
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,719
Speaker 1: know exactly how I feel about Jayalen Smith's situation. I

606
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: think his contract is one of the two or three

607
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: biggest problems facing this team right now. There's no doubt

608
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: that he has not played up to it. I have

609
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: a hard time calling him a bust. You know, a

610
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: guy that we weren't even sure was ever going to

611
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: play football again when he was drafted thirty four overall,

612
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: not even a first round pick, and they've gotten They've

613
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: gotten five hundred tackles out of the guy, fifty four starts,

614
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: sixty four games. He was a good player during a

615
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: playoff run in twenty eighteen that was probably not probably

616
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: that was easily the best season of his career. So

617
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: bust bust feels harsh, So I'm gonna go with broken.

618
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: The problem is, I'm not convinced that what's broken can

619
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: be fixed, and that's gonna be That's gonna be on

620
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: dan Quinn again a lot like Micah Parsons you got.

621
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: I think you got to find a way to use

622
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: him that's different and more efficient than what we've seen

623
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: the last two years. And I'm I'm with Brian one

624
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: hundred percent. If dan Quinn can't get significantly more out

625
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: of him this year, I'm not sure how much longer

626
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: he'll be here because it starts, it starts to become

627
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: a lot easier to shed that contract in twenty twenty two.

628
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: So that's one of the biggest storylines facing this team.

629
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: Having said all of that, I can't call the guy

630
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: a bust. I mean, well, you're right, the Cowboys have

631
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: gotten a lot out of him. Yeah, bust is a

632
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: strong word, but in the context of the game, broken

633
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 1: means you're going to bring him back. Bust to me

634
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: means you're moving on from him. I'm not saying he's

635
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: a bad player. In the context of the exercise, broken

636
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: means you have hope that he'll be back in whenever

637
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: bust means that they're moving on. You're right, I never

638
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 1: thought this kid would ever play another down to football

639
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 1: after what happened to him, to Brent Brown, to doctor Cooper,

640
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: to everybody that worked on getting him back on the field.

641
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: Tip of the cat. But in as far as if

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Speaker 1: you look at what's going on right now, he they're

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Speaker 1: likely going to move on from him that I'm calling

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Speaker 1: the bus factor, not the player I bust is where

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Speaker 1: the direction they're going with that? If I had to,

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Speaker 1: if I had to bet right now in May of

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, who's more likely to be here for

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty two season, I would say Laton. So

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Speaker 1: I agree with you very well, said on both of

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Speaker 1: y'all's parts. Okay, so this is a duo question, a

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Speaker 1: double question. So Ernie originally asked, is Kelvin Joseph now

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Speaker 1: the best corner automatically on this roster? Where does he

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Speaker 1: compare to Trey Von Diggs? And then mister Valajos adds

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Speaker 1: onto that and said, could we view Kelvin Joseph as

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Speaker 1: a Marcus Peters in the same sense of the off

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Speaker 1: the field issues in college? But he sure does have

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Speaker 1: the talent on the field. Brian, Yeah, I wouldn't say

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Speaker 1: if I'm trying to think about because I had a

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Speaker 1: pretty high grade on Diggs coming out of college last year,

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Speaker 1: and I know the Cowboys probably felt the same way.

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Speaker 1: If it got down to where they got wiped out

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Speaker 1: at seventeen with there are no players on the board,

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Speaker 1: I think they would have taken Diggs in the first round. Dave,

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Speaker 1: you could correct me if I'm wrong there, but I would.

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Speaker 1: I still think that Diggs is likely your best corner.

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Speaker 1: The guy that has seriously the talent, though, is Joseph.

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Speaker 1: He could he could come in and immediately give you

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Speaker 1: a huge upgrade over the other guys. But I think

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Speaker 1: right now as we talk, Diggs is above him. With

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Speaker 1: the opportunity of Joseph, say, either equaling him or surpassing him.

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Speaker 1: You hope he surpasses, and you hope that Diggs also

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Speaker 1: elevates his game as well. But I'll give it the

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Speaker 1: Digs right now. Yeah, unless you're unless you're like a

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Speaker 1: top ten pick, I'm not in the business of saying

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Speaker 1: you're the best on your team before you even get

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Speaker 1: on the field. At rookie camp, I mean, we loved

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Speaker 1: the Digs pick and Diggs had a good rookie season,

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Speaker 1: and he got picked on a lot because the NFL

679
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Speaker 1: is hard, and playing cornerback is even harder. It's one

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Speaker 1: of the two or three hardest positions in the league

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Speaker 1: for my money. So no, I don't think he's the best.

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Speaker 1: He might be the most naturally talented, but they've got

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Speaker 1: to harness that and turn it into production. I said

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Speaker 1: this on the broadcast too. I think I think it's important.

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Speaker 1: I get I get where you're going with the Marcus

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Speaker 1: Peters thing. I do think he's aggressive, He's got ball skills.

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Speaker 1: Like Marcus Peters, he kind of seems like a little

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Speaker 1: bit of a little bit of a knucklehead. I bet

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Speaker 1: a lot of people have seen the clip of him

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Speaker 1: of going around of him just decking that Auburn receiver

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Speaker 1: during the Auburn game. So there's there's some stuff you

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Speaker 1: got to work on there. But like Marcus Peters got

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Speaker 1: like banned from Washington, like Chris Peterson had to invite

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Speaker 1: him back to Pro Day because the relationship was so sour.

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Speaker 1: I like I said, I choked the coach. Yeah, choked

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Speaker 1: a coach. I was good. I was gonna say punched.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't remember. It's been five or six years. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Like I said, like Kelvin Joseph, seems like he's a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a knucklehead, maybe some maturity problems. I

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Speaker 1: haven't heard anything about that, like about him just being

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Speaker 1: that guy, you know. Like I said, like I talked

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Speaker 1: to people at LSU who had nothing but good things

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Speaker 1: to say about him as a person. It seems like,

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Speaker 1: you know, he didn't burn any bridges on his way

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Speaker 1: out of Baton Rouge. I don't know the situation at

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Speaker 1: Kentucky quite as well as I do at LSU for

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Speaker 1: obvious reasons. But I don't get the impression that he's

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Speaker 1: a bad guy. I just think maybe he's an immature guy.

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Speaker 1: So we'll see how the Cowboys deal with that. This guy,

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Speaker 1: this guy's played in twenty games in his career. That's

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Speaker 1: all he's playing. I mean, he's a super talented guy

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Speaker 1: for twenty games. But be careful with going the route

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Speaker 1: you're going right now. Yeah, yeah, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: I mean you got to kind of balance those issues.

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Speaker 1: And the Cowboys did their homework and balancing both of

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Speaker 1: those before they made the selection. So I mean at

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Speaker 1: this point, they know more than we do about what

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Speaker 1: the kind of player they were drafting is going to

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Speaker 1: be coming into training, training camp, and hopefully all these

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Speaker 1: guys are ready to go whenever that time comes around.

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Speaker 1: Thanks again for all your twitter on the twenty questions.

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Speaker 1: Oh for Brian, Yeah, I mean, let me tell you this,

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Speaker 1: the fact that the head coach and the defensive coordinator

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Speaker 1: both were at the pro day, that's probably the reason

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Speaker 1: why that kid got drafted, and maybe even Bohanna later

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Speaker 1: on they caught an eye and Bohanna even talking about

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Speaker 1: talking with Dan Quinn. So that's you're exactly right. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of smokescreen, or excuse me, a lot of

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Speaker 1: smoke to that fire of seeing exactly how much they

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Speaker 1: really were targeting Kelvin Joseph and just how much they

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Speaker 1: were trying to get to know him prior to the selection,

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Speaker 1: because if not, then neither one of those guys would

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Speaker 1: I was saying a moment ago, thanks again for everybody

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Speaker 1: But one final segment, about seventeen minutes left and plenty

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Speaker 1: of questions to hit. Of course, the Cowboys did draft

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Speaker 1: they've signed one thirteen different players and even just maybe

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Speaker 1: what came out of that class overall. To be honest

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Speaker 1: with you, I'm shocked that they had room for thirteen

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Speaker 1: undrafted free agents after drafting eleven players like and not.

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Speaker 1: I don't as far as I know, the league doesn't.

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Speaker 1: Even the league hasn't set the roster limit yet, so

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Speaker 1: it could be eighty, it could be ninety. So if

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Speaker 1: It was Andy Jones for a while, it was Eric

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Speaker 1: this year it's definitely gonna be h t J. Vasher

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Speaker 1: around Twitter. He's a big body guy. I get it

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Speaker 1: he's capable of making some crazy catches. Um. But again,

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Speaker 1: going back to the conversation about Noah Brown and Cedric Wilson,

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Speaker 1: they drafted Simmy on Saturday and then they signed four

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Speaker 1: Eubanks out of Michigan, who's actually I don't know why

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Speaker 1: I watched him because he was a super late round prospect,

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Speaker 1: So that was that was probably the big thing that

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Speaker 1: cheaper ones. Brian, how likely is it for some of

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Speaker 1: thirteen different undrafted free agents to try and make the

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Speaker 1: That was one of the Twitter on the twenty questions

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Speaker 1: who has the best chance out of the Day three

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Speaker 1: and undrafted free agent class to try and at least

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Speaker 1: going to happen with Noah Brown? And what's going to

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Speaker 1: happen with Cedric Wilson and stuff like that. These are

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Speaker 1: that those wide receivers have the opportunity to do that,

853
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 1: something that I've really I hurt for the guys like

854
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 1: Chris Hall who over there. You know, Chris is the

855
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: coordinator of the college scouting stuff over there, and it

856
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: does a super job with all that and the coordination

857
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: of Dallas Day. I was told this was going to

858
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: be a historic Dallas Day if they could have had it,

859
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: you know, with all the players from the area, it

860
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: was going to be one for the ages. And you

861
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: know that's the thing that when they do have that

862
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: Dallas Day and they they seem to find a one

863
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: or two of those guys that you're like, Okay, you

864
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 1: know this, this makes a lot of sense. We get

865
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 1: to see him, we get to work him out, we

866
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: get to be a part of that and get to

867
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: have some interaction with him. So I'm interested to see

868
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: how this class is gonna you know, will somebody from

869
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: this class in fact make the final fifty three? History

870
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 1: will tell you there will be one of them. But

871
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 1: with with eleven picks, and then you look at like

872
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: their they've got some young players in certain positions too

873
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: that you feel like, well, well, these guys beat out

874
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: a first a second year player, or a guy that

875
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 1: was on the practice squad that they know. You know

876
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: that that's gonna be the real trick. It might be

877
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: a little bit harder for somebody to make this roster,

878
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: but history tells you there'll be one guy that we

879
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 1: will will survive training camping and put a veteran guy

880
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: on the street. Davis, you throw this out there too.

881
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, Kyle, you were you were already gonna ask

882
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 1: me a question. It's fine, No, go for it. I

883
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: just uh, it's not it's not super sexy. But they

884
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: did sign you know, they signed Brendan Knox, the running

885
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: back out of Marshall. And they signed another running back, yeah,

886
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: Jaquan Hardy out of Tiffin, which I don't even know

887
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: where Tiffin is. Sorry, um, but you know the obviously

888
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: Zeke is Zeke is for sure, and Tony's for sure.

889
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: But the competition for that third running back spot is

890
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 1: just a couple of other undrafted guys Rico Dowdle and

891
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 1: saw Alana Lua, which they both were sure. You know,

892
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: they had nice rookie seasons, but you know, you better

893
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: bring it in training camp because these guys are just

894
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: as hungry to make the team as you were last year.

895
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: By the way, Tiffin's out of Ohio, Dave, Just so

896
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: you know there they are the Tiffin Tiffin Dragons. And

897
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 1: this guy had fifteen hundred yards rushing on the ground

898
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: last year and two hundred and four attempts and fifteen touchdowns.

899
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: I mean, if you wanted to talk about a man

900
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: amost boys, that's what Jaquan Hardy brings to the table.

901
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: And he opted out of the spring season, but he

902
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,280
Speaker 1: was the player of the year, first team All Conference,

903
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: led the conference in rushing. I mean, YadA Yaday had

904
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: all the way through for the Tiffin Dragons. So hey,

905
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:43,919
Speaker 1: if you're gonna you're gonna get excited about a player,

906
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 1: that's one that you possibly could. So just based off

907
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: of what you guys have been saying, it seems like

908
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: the wide receiver position is the most vulnerable. And it

909
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: seems like whether it's Semi Phihoko out of Stanford or

910
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: it's one of these undrafted free agent receivers, that's the

911
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: most vulnerable position in terms of some of these Day

912
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: three and undrafted free agent guys to make the roster.

913
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 1: But Dave, is there another position that sticks out to

914
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 1: you maybe outside of the maybe let's say on the

915
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,959
Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball for these Day three guys

916
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: and maybe even undrafted free agents. Yeah, well, I mean

917
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: we talk about receiver every year just because it's the

918
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: easiest fun to talk in position, to watch a training camp. Um,

919
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: how about I mean, it's it's gonna be, it's always

920
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: gonna be the bottom of the depth chart. But geez,

921
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: the bottom of the linebacker depth chart looks terrifying right

922
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 1: now because I mean, you know, Layton and jay Leen

923
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,720
Speaker 1: are here. They just drafted Parsons, they just drafted Cox.

924
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 1: So that's four right there. You typically only keep like

925
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: six maybe seven. Oh, don't forget Keyan O'Neil's a linebacker.

926
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: So now you're up to five. So now you're talking

927
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: to well, I think of Basham Moore's a defensive end,

928
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: like an edge rusher. I know he's technically a linebacker,

929
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: but like I think of him more as an on

930
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: the ball guy. But like San Francis, Bernard, Luke Gifford

931
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: are still here from last year, and now you got

932
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: the two draft picks that are gonna be competing for

933
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: playing time. And then they signed two I think they

934
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: signed two more linebackers as well. Yeah, Anthony Hines out

935
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: of Texas A and m and Tyler Coyle who's kind

936
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: of a hybrid guy out of Purdue. So again, the

937
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: important part of the depth chart is set. But that

938
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: last spot or two is going to have about four

939
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: or five guys fighting for it. Yeah, I wonder what's

940
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: going to happen at defensive end, you know, is this

941
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the first time that you've had

942
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory for a full Ota Mini camp and then

943
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: training camp without something happening to him. So I'm interested

944
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: to see how that. You know, Dorgs Armstrong, where is

945
00:50:56,200 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: he at in his development right now? You know? But

946
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,720
Speaker 1: are you gonna put him on the street. Is somebody

947
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 1: gonna develop and they're gonna say, well, hey, you know, Dorance,

948
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: it's nice knowing you, but you know you've been here, Um,

949
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: you know since twenty eighteen. You're a fourth round pick.

950
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: You know, we got this guy that we like a

951
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 1: little bit better. You know, I think it's safety position.

952
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: Is gonna be interesting to see how that all plays out.

953
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,280
Speaker 1: You know, they're they're talking about moving or South Carolina

954
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: guy David he figured out his name. How to pronounce

955
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: his last name? Israel's last name m Mukwomboo. Oh no,

956
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: there's there's no Yeah, there we go. Komwoo, there you go.

957
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: They're talking about they're talking about playing him at safety,

958
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: so you know what's gonna what's gonna happen there at

959
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: that position. So uh, you know there's all these when

960
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: you when you draft eleven players and the owner general manager,

961
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,399
Speaker 1: son of all that says, hey, all eleven can maybe

962
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: make this thing. You know we we Everybody's like, oh,

963
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: there's no way they're gonna make all these picks. And

964
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: what they do, They made all of them. Yeah, and yeah,

965
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: keep an eye on this. Let's see who in fact

966
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: gets to stick. Maybe all eleven do, and then that's

967
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 1: going to push some of those guys off this roster

968
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 1: for sure. One one more that I'll throw in. I

969
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: know we're running out of time, but all like we're not.

970
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:23,479
Speaker 1: We've got like I wonder, Oh I forgot, I forgot

971
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 1: because we've got a late start. I wonder does another

972
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: team in the league have as much starting experience at

973
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: offensive tackle as the Cowboys do. And you can you

974
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: can talk trash about Terren Steele and Brandon Knight all

975
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: you want, and maybe Brandon Ndall move to guard, but

976
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: those guys got a full season of experience last year,

977
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: which makes them a hell of a lot more experience

978
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: than your average third and fourth tackle. You signed Tian Sky,

979
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: who has started I think seventeen or eighteen career games,

980
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 1: and he's been playing pro football through eleven years, so

981
00:52:56,200 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 1: he's experienced as hell. Mitch Hyatt's still kicking around, Isaac

982
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: alter Soong is still here from the international program. And

983
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: then obviously you know Josh Ball would have been drafted

984
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 1: a lot higher if not for some nasty domestic violence allegations.

985
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: So that's a lot of talent and a lot of

986
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: starting experience. And I didn't even mention the two obvious starters,

987
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 1: Tyrn Smith and Lyle Collins. So that sounds that sounds

988
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: like a very interesting position battle when they finally start

989
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: playing football again. I like that as a potential of

990
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: maybe bringing in those guys. But you do feel good

991
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: about at least the depth of that position better than

992
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: you did a year ago, I think in that regard,

993
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: because you went and got a guy like Josh Ball

994
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: who can come and play. But you do have the

995
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,439
Speaker 1: starting caliber of all those guys on the offensive tackle slot,

996
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: so maybe even Josh Ball isn't necessarily needed whenever it

997
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: comes to that, but I think they did another good

998
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: job of going out and getting some undrafted free agent guys,

999
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: and like I said, there'll be more direct and more

1000
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: detailed content on those guys over the next couple of days.

1001
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: Is everybody kind of catches up from the end of

1002
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 1: the draft, so be sure to keep a lookout on

1003
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,919
Speaker 1: that on Dallas Cowboys dot com. But as we wrap

1004
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 1: things up for not only did today's show, but for

1005
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: the season of the Draft Show, Guys, what are you

1006
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: going to remember the most about the twenty twenty one

1007
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: draft and the draft process? I mean, because we've been

1008
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 1: doing this for two hundred days now it seems like,

1009
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: or close to two hundred days of getting on top

1010
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: of things and talking about what this draft class was

1011
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 1: going to look like. Now that we know what it

1012
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: looks like, Brian, what is going to be your biggest

1013
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:34,879
Speaker 1: memory looking back? You know, guys, the thing that I'll

1014
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 1: always remember about the draft, and not particularly just this draft,

1015
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: but just the Draft show itself. Yesterday afternoon, I got

1016
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: a tweet from a guy who says, I'm a Detroit

1017
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 1: Lions fan and I watched the Draft Show and I

1018
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:53,760
Speaker 1: knew more about my draft because of what you guys

1019
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: did on a daily basis. And you know, the Draft

1020
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: show started with this whole thing with Ed k Hill

1021
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 1: and myself and then Dane and then Dave and you know,

1022
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: and Kyle. We've had guys along the way. But that's

1023
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,879
Speaker 1: what this show has always been about. It's always been

1024
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: about We always talk about to investigate and educate and

1025
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: the fact that people from other teams, fans from other

1026
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:21,800
Speaker 1: teams say, hey, I learned more about my team because

1027
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: of what you guys did. That's that's the best thing

1028
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: that I could ever take away from any draft that

1029
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 1: we have. And you know, this one was unusual. It

1030
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 1: wasn't as crazy, i say, as last year, where we

1031
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: really didn't know what was going on with the pandemic

1032
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 1: and where we were even going to play football. But

1033
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 1: now we're going to have fans in the stands and

1034
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: you know, hopefully we'll have some OTAs and mini camps

1035
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But to me, just the fact

1036
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: that that fans from all around the world were educated

1037
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: about players on their favorite teams, that means the absolute

1038
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 1: world to me. And for that, I think the fans

1039
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: are falling along and having such an interest in what

1040
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: we do that that's what makes this job so much fun. Dave. Yeah,

1041
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we talked about it already from

1042
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: the from the Cowboys perspective, I think I'm just gonna

1043
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: remember it as maybe I guess. I guess risky is

1044
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: a fair word. I'll just like I said, boom or bust,

1045
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 1: I'll be interested to see are they going to hit

1046
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: some gold here or you know. I think I think

1047
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: we we have simultaneously the potential to be like, holy crap,

1048
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:33,879
Speaker 1: what an amazing job they did. And I think there's

1049
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 1: some potential to look back and be like, yeah, that's yeah.

1050
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised some of this didn't work out. Um,

1051
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: But aside from the Cowboys, I said it on Saturday, UM,

1052
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,399
Speaker 1: for me and every I echo everything Brian just said.

1053
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 1: But I just love you know when you talk about

1054
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 1: when you talk about these players for six months and

1055
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 1: then you watch where they all go, you just it.

1056
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,320
Speaker 1: You know, you know so much about the league because

1057
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: the draft is the lifeblood of the league, and you

1058
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 1: know where all these guys are going. So when Tommy

1059
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: Togii balls out for Cleveland, I'm not going to be surprised.

1060
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 1: Or when when Jalen Darden you know, steals the starting

1061
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 1: job in Tampa. A year from now, I'm gonna be like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's the that's the North Texas guy that we like

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Speaker 1: so much and like it happens year after year. And

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Speaker 1: the more you do it, you just you have a

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Speaker 1: working knowledge of every team in the league because you

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Speaker 1: know who they drafted. And I think it makes you

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Speaker 1: a better fan, It makes you a smarter fan, and

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Speaker 1: it honestly, it makes the NFL so much more enjoyable

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Speaker 1: And that's what's so rewarding for me. And you know,

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Speaker 1: obviously my focus is the Cowboys, but I would like

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Speaker 1: to think we help make the entire league more enjoyable

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Speaker 1: for other people. That's awesome from both of you. I

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Speaker 1: mean Brian specifically talking about the fan from the Lions.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I love that because we do have a

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Speaker 1: Cowboys spend on things because that's who pays the paychecks.

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Speaker 1: But ultimately, that's what we want to do, is we

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Speaker 1: want to investigate, educate all those people that are listening,

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Speaker 1: all those fans that are out there that want to

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Speaker 1: know more and want to know about the league moving forward.

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Speaker 1: So it has been a ton of fun and that

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Speaker 1: makes me happy hearing that even those who follow the

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Speaker 1: Detroit Lions are locked in and we knew that, we

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Speaker 1: knew that there are more than just Cowboys fans that

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Speaker 1: sorts of that. But there's also a lot behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes that goes on. I mean, for every hour and

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Speaker 1: I tweeted this out on Saturday as well, but for

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Speaker 1: every hour a film that was watched by the analysts,

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Speaker 1: the seven analysts on this show, there was an hour

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Speaker 1: also put in cutting highlights, making graphics and putting up

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Speaker 1: three and nine. So it really has been a ton

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Speaker 1: of fun. It's a blast to do it with you guys.

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Speaker 1: I look forward to doing it again next year, and

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Speaker 1: let's say like, let's say let's not start it in December.

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Speaker 1: Let's have a better season and then let's talk about

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Speaker 1: starting in maybe January or February. I'd been cool starting

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Speaker 1: like the second week of February after the Cowboys win

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Speaker 1: a ring. That's fine with me. I mean that would

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Speaker 1: be fun. I'd even settle for doing it like the

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Speaker 1: week of the Senior Bowl. I mean, what like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's try to let's try to not start before Christmas

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Speaker 1: next year if that's okay with the Cowboys. Oh, that

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Speaker 1: sounds good to me. But Brian, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for being a part of it again this year. We

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Speaker 1: missed you last year, but hey, twenty twenty one was

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Speaker 1: just a blast having you a part of it, my guy, Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you appreciate that. Again, Thanks to everybody. Thanks to

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Speaker 1: Chris Beam for all he's done, you know, and keeping

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Speaker 1: us on the air dealing with her technical problems. Man,

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Speaker 1: we've had a blast. And again thank you for Derek

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Speaker 1: Eagleton and the Jones family for having the vision to say, hey,

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Speaker 1: this is something that we need to do, this is

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Speaker 1: something for our fans. Again, and I always say this,

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Speaker 1: I thank you ed Ka Hill for you two having

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Speaker 1: that vision as well. It's been a blast to be

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Speaker 1: a part of this, no doubt about it. Salute Ed K. Hill,

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Speaker 1: Salute all those that were a part of the Draft Show.

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Speaker 1: We will have one more show. These two will not

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Speaker 1: be on it, but instead it'll be Dame Burglar, Jeff

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Speaker 1: Cavanaugh and Kevin KT Turner on Thursday, ten am Central Time.

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Speaker 1: But for now, for Chris beam In the back eron Gonzalez,

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Speaker 1: for David Hellman, Brian brought us. I'm Kyle Yeoman saying

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Speaker 1: so long here on the Draft Show. We'll see you

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Speaker 1: Thursday for one more show. This has been a production

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Speaker 1: of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.