1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five, 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hartunger. 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, a practicing physician and blogger. 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: On the side, we are two working parents who love 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: our careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds. 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds. 10 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode two hundred and twenty two. 11 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: We are going to be talking about the five year 12 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: travel Plan. Yes, we're talking about traveling for the next 13 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: five years. Sarah and I have both realized that we 14 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: haven't traveled much in the past eighteen months. Well, we 15 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: traveled some, but not that much, and we certainly have 16 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: places we'd like to go with our families. So we 17 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 1: both have recently talked to our families and brainstorm where 18 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: we would like to go over the next few years. 19 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: And so we thought that this approach might be useful 20 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: to you as well. So we're going to advocate for 21 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: doing it and talk a little bit about why and 22 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: where we're going over the next five years. Sarah, why 23 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: did you decide to do this? Because I did it 24 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,119 Speaker 1: because you did, so I'll get the reasoning from you. 25 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: I don't really remember what prompted me to do it. 26 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: I think it was more just well, okay, I have 27 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: a friend, a really good friend who lives near here, 28 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: and we tend to always talk about future travel together, like, oh, 29 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 1: let's do this trip together. And they're a family we 30 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: have traveled with before, and so I started to think, like, well, 31 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: how do I keep track, you know, how old my 32 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: kids are going to be with each year, and what 33 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: kind of trip And I think I'm also at this 34 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: juncture where I'm realizing that travels about to get a 35 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: lot more easy and more fun. So it's it's just 36 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: a fun exercise to think about, like, oh, my gosh, 37 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: in two years, I'm going to have you know, a 38 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: five to six year old and Eve eleven to twelve 39 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: year old, and like a ten year old, and that 40 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: kind of travel is going to look so different from 41 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: you know, two years ago, when I had a toddler 42 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: screaming at the top of her lungs in the middle 43 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: of the night, and so I wanted to write out 44 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: the different years with the ages, and then I just 45 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 1: started to think about, like, hmm, you know, life is short. 46 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: Life with your kids is very short. We have a 47 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 1: limited number of these breaks, Like my husband and I 48 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: are on call a lot, the kids are in school. 49 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 1: We have to really like be strategic, like in fact, 50 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: even though COVID restrictions are winding down for now and 51 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: hopefully you will stay that way, although who knows. You know, 52 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: we can't actually go anywhere this winter break because we're 53 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: both working like the whole time, in part to make 54 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: up for last year's like COVID debacle. But you know, 55 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: we really have to think ahead when we want to 56 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: do stuff, and so I don't know, I just sat 57 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: there one day and wrote out like twenty twenty one, 58 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: twenty two, twenty twenty three, twenty twenty, twenty twenty five. 59 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: I wrote the ages the kids would be at each 60 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: of those, so I could kind of think about what 61 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: would be like an age appropriate trip, like when would 62 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:00,040 Speaker 1: certain things be fun? And then I just brainstormed a 63 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: possible spring break destination, a possible summer trip, and a 64 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: possible winter break trip. Are we always going to travel 65 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 1: those three times. Maybe not, but maybe. I mean it 66 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 1: is something that I value. I think it's quality time 67 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 1: and wonderful memories, you know, with the kids, and again 68 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: time with them is life is short and time with 69 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: them is short. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. The more I thought 70 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: about it, it's like this, You know, I often think 71 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 1: about the whole year at once. And in fact, I 72 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: just answered a question from a magazine for an upcoming 73 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: article about why you should plan one year at a time. 74 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: Apparently there's some day in January or February that's national 75 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: Plan your Vacation Day. I love these made up holidays, 76 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: so they are using that as a news hook of 77 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: to do it a piece about this, and I was like, ah, well, hey, 78 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: I wouldn't even do it before January, but whatever you 79 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: do it. My first thought was like, if there's a 80 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: plan your vacation day, I want to plan mine the 81 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: week before so that so, yeah, I don't fear not 82 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: like arrowing everyone's I don't think it's a widely observed holiday. 83 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: Let me just let me just put that out there. 84 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: But then I was like, well, how about five years? 85 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: And obviously you have to plan very loosely. The further 86 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: you go into the future, you're probably not going to 87 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: actually be able to book a hotel for four years 88 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: from now in many cases, but the five year travel 89 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: plan has a few benefits. First, he can make sure 90 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: that everyone gets their interests covered. So if people have 91 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: a destination they would love to go to and they 92 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: know it's coming up in the next few years, then 93 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,559 Speaker 1: they may be less likely to advocate it for any 94 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: given time. As you're debating what you do for a 95 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: particular vacation, you can start getting excited about these trips. 96 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 1: You can make financial plans to accommodate them. So, for instance, 97 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: if you want to make a I don't know family 98 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: trip to Australia in three years, that might require some 99 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: advance planning financially, and therefore you can start setting aside 100 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: money for it. If you know that's something you want 101 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 1: to do, you can prepare it in other ways, like 102 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: if you're going to have to have a kid learned 103 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: to ski by the time a certain vacation is coming up, 104 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: or if people are going to want to get their 105 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: scuba diving licenses, or or brush up on your Spanish. 106 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: You spoke it in college but haven't spoken it since, 107 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: and you want to go to a Spanish speaking country now, 108 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 1: it would be a good time to get that duo 109 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 1: lingo app back out if you know you're going to 110 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 1: go to a Spanish speaking country in the next year 111 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: or two. You can also get buy in on smaller 112 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: group trips which you could consider as part of the 113 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,119 Speaker 1: travel portfolio for the next five years, like each parent 114 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: taking an individual older child somewhere while the other color 115 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: covers the little kids or whatever. And if you will 116 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 1: be taking extended family obviously you want to give them 117 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: a heads up as well, so they know too. I 118 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: don't know if they've got vacation scheduling issues or kids 119 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: in school that they want to compare dates with you 120 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: for say twenty twenty three or something like that. So 121 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: there's just a lot of reasons to think about it. Again, 122 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 1: you're not going to like book the exact dates necessarily 123 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four because like, you don't even know 124 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: what your school calendar is going to be then, although 125 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: you could figure out when Christmas is or when Rashashana 126 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: is or whatever dates your school has off. However you 127 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 1: can think of it. Yeah, I highly recommend doing you know, 128 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: even as much as I love to plan on paper. 129 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 1: This was one I prefer to have in my Apple 130 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: Notes doc or on you know, an online way, so 131 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 1: that I can easily delete and you know, not have 132 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 1: to worry about messing up my beautiful list. I've already 133 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 1: made changes to it. Obviously, there was twenty twenty. I 134 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: think I had never had booked as much travel in 135 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: my life compared to what I had planned for twenty twenty. 136 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: So I think I think the good news is if 137 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: we have something like that happen again. I'm not going 138 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: to say we're all going to take it well, because 139 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 1: I think it would hurt after just having done it. 140 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 1: But let's say we have something like that happened like 141 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 1: ten years from now. I think I don't know. I 142 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: personally learned a lesson like you can't count on anything. 143 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: So these are these plans are like if if we can, 144 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: if it works, Not like I'm expecting everything that I've 145 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,679 Speaker 1: written down to perfectly come to fruition. Because Annabel already 146 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: changed her mind about where she'd like to go and 147 00:06:57,839 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: we'll talk about that in a little bit, and I 148 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: already change something around. Yeah, I mean life is unknowable. 149 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: I mean it is completely unknowable. And you know, if, 150 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: as I say to people, sometimes, if twenty twenty was 151 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: the first time of your life, you realize that you've 152 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: led a very charmed life. But you know, that was 153 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: certainly a reminder that, you know, we can't necessarily know 154 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: what the year is going to bring. In terms of 155 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: our travel. We had a lot of great travel planned 156 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: for twenty twenty as well. You know, Sarah and I 157 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: were going to go to Germany together. We will have 158 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: to revisit that at some other point or go somewhere 159 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: else together, but we'll make a trip at some point. 160 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: My choir was going to Israel and Jordan. Now I 161 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: had already decided I wasn't going to do that trip 162 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: for sure when I learned that I was pregnant in 163 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen and that I would have the baby in 164 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: late twenty nineteen. And you know, that was for the 165 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: summer of twenty twenty. It's not going to take two 166 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: weeks to go on an international trip when I had 167 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: a six month old, But that was something I had 168 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: been considering. And then Michael and I were going to 169 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: go to a for a work trip for him at 170 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: one point later in the year, and Obviously none of 171 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: those happened. But on the other hand, we got to 172 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: do some other domestic travel that was kind of cool. 173 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: I took my big kids to Yellowstone in fall of 174 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, which was something that was on my bucket list, 175 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: and because we weren't making other trips, I said, well, 176 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: we could do this one. And we went out in 177 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: nature exploring the national park. You know, it's so cool 178 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: to see the changing leaves in that environment. It snowed 179 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: one morning in September, and because it fall comes very early, 180 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: winter comes early. It was. It was amazing. I'm really 181 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: glad we did it, And so it's still fun to 182 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: think about what kind of trips you would like to take, 183 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: even if the exact trips you thought you would take 184 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: don't happen. Because Yellowstone had been a trip I knew 185 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 1: I wanted to take with my kids, and when I 186 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: realized that other trips were not happening, I said, well, 187 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: we can move that up from a future year and 188 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 1: do that this time. Totally makes sense, something very nature 189 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: focused that, Hey, your kids have been like understimulated, so 190 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: they probably were in a better shape to like appreciate 191 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 1: this beautiful Also, just because everyone had canceled their plans 192 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:10,959 Speaker 1: or they had canceled reservations and then opened it back up. 193 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: We could get a really good spot. I mean, we 194 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: aren't our room overlooked Old Faithful, so we could like 195 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: sit in bed and watch it explode. And I can 196 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: tell you from past trips because I have gone to 197 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: Yellowstone in the past, it's hard to get that room. 198 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: So because of you know, the pandemic, it was available, 199 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: and so that was really cool. I mean there were 200 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:32,839 Speaker 1: other things that weren't available, like we had to get 201 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: take out from like a canteen for every meal. But 202 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: on the other hand, we were watching Old Faithful, So 203 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: you know, some good, some bad. You take it as 204 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 1: it comes, all right, So Sarah, let's start with your 205 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 1: five year plan and we'll get through a few of 206 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: this before we need to take our break. All right, Well, first, 207 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: I guess i'll introduce the concept. Can I talk about 208 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: that the ten year old? Okay? Okay, So I don't 209 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: know when I came up with this, but at some 210 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: point I may not have even had kids yet, but 211 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 1: I was like, I think it would be cool if 212 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: when our kids are ten they get to pick where 213 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:03,599 Speaker 1: the I think I was just fantasized about what I 214 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: would have liked to do when I was ten, because 215 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: this would have been like the best thing ever. We 216 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: can let them pick a family trip, like anywhere in 217 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: the forty eight States, wherever they want to go, and 218 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: it could be like North Dakota, like I don't care. 219 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: We'll plan something fun wherever they want. And then maybe 220 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: when they're fifteen, I came up with that arbitrarily, they 221 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: can pick an international trip. Now, there's probably gonna be 222 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:24,839 Speaker 1: limits to that. I don't think we're going to go 223 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: to like Asia for a month or something just because 224 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: it's the fifteen year old wanted to, but we might 225 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 1: as well leave it open and see what they come 226 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: up with. And yeah, so I came up with that, 227 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: and now we like almost have a ten year old 228 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: and we've actually it's been wonderful because when Annabelle and 229 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: I end up going for walks, the topics of our 230 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: discussion are always number one, what she wants to do 231 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: for her birthday party, Number two, various planner stuff she 232 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: wants to get, and number three her ten year old trip. 233 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: Like those are our like topics that we cycle through, 234 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: and so I don't know, it's been a fun thing 235 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: to think about together for a long time. She had 236 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: said she wanted to go to Colorado, but then she 237 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: decided there were too many wild the animals there and 238 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: pivoted to d C, which I'm actually kind of really 239 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: excited about because she will turn ten in April, which 240 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: is terry blossoms season, so we could actually time that 241 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: really nicely if we're lucky, because that's when spring break 242 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: is as well. So anyway, twenty twenty two, it's Annabell's 243 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: birthday trip for spring break. The summer is going to 244 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: be some New England stuff because I do have my 245 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 1: college reunion and I think we're going to do another 246 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 1: little New England trip and probably stop to visit my 247 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: parents as well around the time of camp drop off, 248 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: because I could talk about that another episode, but that's happening. 249 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: And then in December, I'm hoping that we go for 250 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,839 Speaker 1: our first family ski trip, so kids in ski school 251 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: they've never done it before, some totally shock to the 252 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: system for their Floridian selves. And then for twenty twenty three, 253 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: I have spring break maybe in like Asheville and North 254 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: Carolina to see my sister. This summer, I'm hoping for 255 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: an Alaska Disney cruise, and you mentioned saving. I actually 256 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: have a little savings bucket that I had like started, 257 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: and then when we canceled it, I just like left 258 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: the money there. So I'm like, okay, this very overpriced adventure, 259 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: Like we're good, we can take it at any more. 260 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: And then are you at least getting interest in that account? 261 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: I hope you're getting some, like if you've locked up, 262 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: I mean it's not multiple Yeah, you know, we're well 263 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:17,959 Speaker 1: that could be a whole other episode. I probably should 264 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 1: be getting. You know, we get plenty of interest in 265 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: most of our money, but I I'm sure I have 266 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 1: way too. This is a terrible conversation we should have started. No, 267 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: but it actually matters, Like I mean, if you are 268 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: having a specific saving account and you're bothering to put 269 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: money away more than you're ahead of, I should throw 270 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,959 Speaker 1: it into the a tax to the taxable brokerage. That 271 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: would probably be a smarter thing to do. If it's well, no, 272 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: you wouldn't want to lose the money. Yeah, so you 273 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: don't have to lose it. I don't want to necessarily 274 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: put it in index funds because if the market tanks, 275 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: then you've lost you know, fifteen percent of your money, 276 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: and of the course, like you could gain fifteen percent, 277 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: you could lose fifteen percent, but just that you don't 278 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: want to be getting point oh two percent interests on it, right, 279 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: So I mean that's like every bank. I think we 280 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,719 Speaker 1: have it TMI in one of those online banks that 281 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: is slightly better than that, but there's no interest that's 282 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: good anymore. Wow, this took a turn. All right, Let's 283 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: take a short term bonds, short term bond funds. All right, 284 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: talk to your account next, next up, No, let's take 285 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:31,719 Speaker 1: our ad. We'll be right back. I can't. All right, Well, 286 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: we're back talking about our five year travel plans. With 287 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: the slight digression of where you put the funds if 288 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: you are saving specifically for specific trips. I'm sure our 289 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: listeners have great ideas. So if anyone has come up 290 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: with a you know, way to fun trips that you 291 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: know that's what the money is for, but you're not 292 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: getting ridiculously puny amounts of interest on it, please let 293 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: us know. That would be a great service to all 294 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: of our listeners that we can share. So you guys 295 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: were talking the cruise and skiing. I think we're up 296 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 1: to twenty twenty four. Now we are, and in twenty 297 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: twenty four, my children, if you'd like to know, will 298 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: be six eleven turning twelve. And I don't know why 299 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 1: I did it in this order, but and then nine 300 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: turning ten, so six nine turning ten, eleven turning twelve. 301 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: And we had Cameron's choice for spring break because he 302 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: will have his tenth birthday summer. I was thinking Portland 303 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: Seattle Whistler, which is actually a recreation of a trip 304 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: we did in twenty twenty eighteen when Genevieve had just 305 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: learned to walk. We actually had a great time, but 306 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: I think we'll have a great time again, and we 307 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: have a lot of friends in that area. And then 308 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: in December, I'm thinking, either we ski if it's been 309 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: a happy thing and we want to just keep doing that, 310 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: or maybe that's the year we go to Hawaii, because 311 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: I love Hawaii. Hawaii would be fun. And then finally 312 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: my twenty twenty five was genev Oh, no, there's another 313 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: one too, So this goes on. I'm sorry, Genevieve seven, 314 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: Cameron's eleven, Nadaville's thirteen, Maybe another cruise, Grand Canyon, Yosemite 315 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: time to do that, and then skiing again. Maybe we'll 316 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: have to see how this whole skiing thing goes. And 317 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: then for nobody likes to ski, I guess this will 318 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: rework the whole five year plan. I feel like they're 319 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: gonna like this. I mean, I like to ski, Josh 320 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: likes to ski. Cameron, there's no doubt in my mind 321 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: that he will. He'll like it, He'll like it. The 322 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: question is the other two. The other two Annabelle is 323 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: a big black box. There we will I'll let you 324 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: all know. And then twenty twenty six, when I have 325 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: an eight year old and twelve year old and a 326 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: fourteen year old, I was thinking, well, spring break, I 327 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: don't know, somewhere like Nashville or Austin, summer or international 328 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: trip maybe Iceland or Denmark, the Netherlands. And then December 329 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: either skiing or some kind of island. And then I 330 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: also added, at Josh's request, a family bike trip. He 331 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: took a New England biking trip with his parents that 332 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: actually has like a million hilarious kind of set, not sad, 333 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: but like unfortunate tales associated with it, like cars broken down, 334 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: et cetera. But like that trip has lived it's mileage 335 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: in stories, and I think he's hoping to recreate it, 336 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: although maybe not with like broken down cars. Yeah, there's 337 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: some really cool bike trips like you can take those 338 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: as a group internationally. I did one with RII many 339 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: years ago to bike through France, which was pretty cool, 340 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: you know, seeing the countryside of France by bike. And 341 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: then mikel and I did a bike trip in Vietnam 342 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: with going through the villages in back country of Vietnam 343 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: through the Mekong Delta. We actually went through a local 344 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: Vietnamese travel agency. It was one of these random things 345 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: I love the Internet, like because we sort of looked 346 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: at like who are the American tour operators contracting with? 347 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: Because the way it works is like the Americans then 348 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: contract with local companies and they sort of take their 349 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: cut and put you with there. So like, well, let's 350 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: cut out the middleman, like go hire directly the Vietnamese company. 351 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: And so we had a very affordable biking trip. I mean, 352 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: once we got to Vietnam, it cost money to get there, 353 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: but you know, we were just biking through the countryside, 354 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: just the two of us. That was great with our guide. 355 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 1: So some to consider you can do that internationally, not 356 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: just in America. Yeah, we had this discussion because you 357 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 1: had suggested we do it, and so I asked my 358 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: kids where they wanted to go over the next five years. 359 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: So Jasper wants to go to Paris, partly for the city, 360 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: like he wants to see the Eiffel Tower, he wants 361 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: to see a show in Paris, he likes theater and 362 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 1: stuff like that, but also to go see euro Disney, 363 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: which is in France. So that sounds awesome. He is 364 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 1: okay taking his other siblings. So theoretically, like we could 365 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: do this as like even a long weekend trip. It's 366 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 1: possible to do Europe as a long weekend. It's a 367 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: little crazy, but something that could do. Sam wants to 368 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: go to Japan, so that was you know, he has 369 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: been really pushing this. He's sent me texts with like 370 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: the best things to do in Japan. We're going to 371 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: a sushi restaurant soon. He wants to. He loves Japanese food. 372 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: He doesn't want to take his siblings. He wants me 373 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: to take him to Japan. So we'll see if that 374 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 1: that could could happen. I mean, we'll see the problem 375 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: there is it can't happen anytime soon because Japan is 376 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: still enforcing a ten day quarantine for vaccinated travelers, which 377 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: both of us are. But anyway that hopefully COVID will 378 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,439 Speaker 1: be better and that will change in the course of 379 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: the next year or two, and then maybe we can 380 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: consider doing that because while my husband might be willing 381 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: to cover for a week, I don't think he'll also 382 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 1: want to cover a ten day quarantine plus the week, 383 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: so that that may be more in the future. The 384 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: kids also mentioned Norway. Michael lived in Norway for five years, 385 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: so it's a destination that he and I have been 386 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 1: to a few times, but it would actually be a 387 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: great summer family trip do Scandinavia, so Norway, Denmark. There's 388 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 1: like a Lego land in Denmark, I think because that's 389 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: where it's based. Sweden has great stuff as well, castles, 390 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 1: the Fjords and Norway are beautiful, so that could be 391 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: a really awesome trip to do those three countries. I'm 392 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: thinking maybe we can even push for summer twenty twenty three. 393 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: On that Henry will be three and a half. Maybe 394 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: we'd been better off waiting till he's four and a half, 395 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,479 Speaker 1: but at some point Jasper's gonna leave too, so we 396 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: you know, and while I hope he'll come home for 397 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: the summers, I can't count on that happening, so you know, 398 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: we got to keep that in mind as we are. 399 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: That's so sad. That's wow, that's like kind of wow. Yeah. 400 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: And then Hawaii, which we might do as like a 401 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 1: spring break or Christmas trip some year. I think again, 402 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 1: it's a long flight, so I'm you know, Henry needs 403 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 1: to be old enough to reliably watch videos because otherwise 404 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,959 Speaker 1: it's just miserable. We went when Ruth was five. We 405 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: did not take but she six five or six. We 406 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: didn't take Alex with us, he was two, and you know, 407 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 1: even her, it was rough, like the older boys just 408 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 1: watched movie after movie the whole way. But she got 409 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: a little restless, as you do. I got restless, you know, 410 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: adults just keep a little bit more tabs on it. So, yeah, 411 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 1: that's on our list. We'll see, we'll see which of 412 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 1: those destinations. I don't have exact times for all of those, 413 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: but I think, you know, in the next five years, 414 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: I do believe we could do those. We could do 415 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: you know, Paris, Japan, Norway, and Hawaii. Oh, my gosh, 416 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: that sounds amazing. Yeah, I purposely exactly. The flight and 417 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: the time change is the limiting factor for Hawaii, I think. 418 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 1: But the thing is like there are elements of the 419 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:00,160 Speaker 1: travel that are just going to stick, right, and there's 420 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: nothing you can do about that. So either you decide 421 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 1: that it's going to be worth it because you want 422 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: to see the place, or you don't. But it's not 423 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: like you're going to magically not have a time change 424 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 1: going to Hawaii or magically get a shorter flight. So true, 425 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,439 Speaker 1: but like doing that with an eighteen month well, and no, 426 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: I wouldn't do. To me, that's like not worth it, 427 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: decidedly not worth the pain. But once your kids are five, right, 428 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 1: like you know, no, totally, yeah, totally it could be. 429 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 1: It could be doable. Like it won't be fun, but 430 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: it's doable. So we have some tips for family travel 431 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: that we would like to share a few that Sarah 432 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 1: and I have found work really well. Number one, use 433 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: Airbnb or Verbo instead of hotels when you can. Sarah, 434 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: you've had some personal experience with this, right, hotels, Yes, 435 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 1: we've all heard about that. And then we've had a 436 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: recent Verbo experience that was wonderful. So yeah, I've seen 437 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: the light. Yeah. I mean if you have a baby 438 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: who fusses going down or gets up earlier, that it 439 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:03,959 Speaker 1: just is that much harder when you're worried about everyone 440 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: else in the hotel hearing you. Plus being able to 441 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: have multiple bathrooms, for instance, can be convenient if there 442 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: are many of you who might need to use the 443 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: bathroom simultaneously. For instance, carry ons for kids, have in 444 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: there snacks, device, headphones, and a change of clothes. Empty 445 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: water bottles once you get through that you could fill 446 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 1: once you get through security, and zip black bags because 447 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 1: things get wet and messy. You know, one anchor event 448 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: per day you are a fan of this, Yes, I 449 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 1: think my husband would put in like four per day 450 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: if I left it up to him. I'm like maximum 451 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: of one and maybe a day in there with none 452 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: like one day in the middle of all the days 453 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,919 Speaker 1: where you just like or your anchor event is like 454 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: something very lazy, like see a movie. Well, because the 455 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: up I mean when we say anchor events, that means 456 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: a thing that you know you're going to do during 457 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: that day, right, like you figured out the logistics for 458 00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 1: that thing and the reason to have that of course, 459 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: is then you know you're gonna do something like you're 460 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: not wasting a vacation day. But on the other hand, 461 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: your day isn't packed so completely full that you are 462 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,439 Speaker 1: racing from thing to thing. And if you find yourself 463 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: in like some really cute town that's got a gorgeous 464 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: festival going on, you're like, no, no, no, we must 465 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 1: pay at this place in six minutes. There will be 466 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: no enjoying this small town festival. I also think that, 467 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: like a lot of times when we go on vacation, 468 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 1: we start off so tired that we just we just 469 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 1: can't pack in it's on, or we won't have fun 470 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 1: and the kids will get cranky. I mean, maybe this 471 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 1: will change as our kids are older. But as much 472 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 1: as people like to say, oh, a trip with kids 473 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: is not a vacation, it's a trip. I wanted to 474 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 1: have some vacation like elements and if I'm trying to 475 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: do like crazy amounts of stuff, even if it's in 476 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: another country where I know, like, yes, the chance to 477 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: see Xyz is limited, but I'd rather really enjoy the 478 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: things that we do see and go on one hike. 479 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 1: I follow a blogger that like when they travel I'm 480 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,439 Speaker 1: always like, oh my god, like I'm so tired just 481 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 1: looking at this. I don't know. I mean, I work out, 482 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: It's not like I have like poor stamina, but I 483 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: wouldn't want to go to like five different sites in 484 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 1: a day. I sometimes do that, but I still think 485 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 1: like the one anchor event a day is good. In general. 486 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: It's a nice balance between you know, vacation spontaneity, but 487 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 1: also vacation knowing you're going to have something that you're 488 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: gonna do. Identify parks or playgrounds near where you are staying. 489 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 1: This is really good for blowing off steam or walking 490 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: with a toddler who is up early. Helpful to know 491 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: where those are. If you have people who are not 492 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 1: necessarily going to eat everything in your party, which many 493 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,439 Speaker 1: people do if they have young kids. We found that 494 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: Italian restaurants are often a good bet because you can 495 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 1: often convince them to give you plain noodles as a dish, 496 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: and then the other people can order normal food as 497 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: one does in a restaurant. But you found that even 498 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,199 Speaker 1: like Asian fusion, you can do that right like, yeah, no, 499 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: I was you know something that pizza. I will always 500 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 1: make my family happy. A burger type brewery will always 501 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 1: make my family happy. And then like some kind of 502 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 1: like sushi or Asian fusion type place will always make 503 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,719 Speaker 1: everybody happy because you can always my kids do like sushi. 504 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 1: But also there's always plain old rice, which no one 505 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: can really complain about too much. So your picky eater 506 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 1: can get plain rice and the rest of you can 507 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: order again real food or I love your next option. Yes, no, 508 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 1: this next option is like we do this all the time, 509 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: and the kids know ice cream for lunch. Yep. So 510 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: especially when you like if you're staying in a B 511 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: and B or something and you have like a nice breakfast, 512 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: like you don't feel like you need like a whole meal. 513 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: But going all the way, especially like asking your kids 514 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: to go all the way from like nine am till 515 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: five or six pm is a lot of hours. So 516 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: we find that the perfect interlude is stopping at a 517 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: cute little ice cream shop and having ice cream for lunch. 518 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 1: It's usually I mean, I say, like health wise, it's 519 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: probably not that much worse than anything else. You need 520 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,040 Speaker 1: a restaurant, and the kids love it. No one's complaining 521 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: about it. It's very cost effective, and it's usually like 522 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: just enough to like get you through the day. So 523 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: we do that frequently on vacation. Yeah, museums can be challenging. 524 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: One idea that I've done at our local museum with 525 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: Ruth is to have some sort of scavenger hunt. So 526 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: in this case, we had to take thirty pictures of 527 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,919 Speaker 1: thirty depictions of flowers, and so it was a reason 528 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 1: to look at stuff for about an hour before there 529 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 1: was any complaining. You got to set your expectations at 530 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 1: a certain level, like the kid is not going to 531 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 1: want to spend all day at the louver unfortunately, even 532 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: though you might want to. But you might be able 533 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 1: to get yourself sixty to ninety minutes and see the 534 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 1: highlights if you have some sort of quest for them 535 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 1: to do. I've done this similar thing on hikes, where 536 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 1: like I'll give them my phone and be like, take 537 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 1: some very artistic pictures of nature, and then they come 538 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: up with very silly things and you get time to 539 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: walk and nobody's complaining. Yeah, we wanted to share a 540 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 1: few tips from our Patreon page. We want to do 541 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,679 Speaker 1: these anonymously because people may not have meant to have 542 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: their tips shared with their names on it or anything. 543 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 1: On the blog, on the podcast, but just a couple 544 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:23,880 Speaker 1: to remind people of these sorts of good ideas. One is, 545 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: for older kids, have them pack their own backpack for 546 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,360 Speaker 1: the trip. You obviously can supervise, like to make sure 547 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: that they haven't put a giant bottle of shampoo if 548 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: you're only bringing carry ons, for instance, but saying everything 549 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: has to go in the backpack and you can't, you know, 550 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:44,199 Speaker 1: have extra stuff can help limit what they do. You 551 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: want to keep going. Sure, I like this tip. I 552 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: haven't done it for a while, but bring grandparents. They 553 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: said they frequently travel with their mother and it's a 554 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: nice way to spend time with them and she gets 555 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: an interesting trip while they do all the planning. Plus 556 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: there's an additional adult to take the top or out 557 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: of the restaurant or get up with a jet lag baby, 558 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 1: so consider that. Yeah. Another idea is that if you 559 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,919 Speaker 1: are going to be jet lagged, do the more relaxing 560 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: part of your trip first. So if you are doing 561 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 1: a you know, see all the museums in a city 562 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: part of a trip, and a you know, just tour 563 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 1: around the countryside part of the trip, do the tour 564 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: around the country side part first. Or if you're going 565 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 1: beach and amusement park, I don't know, you could do 566 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 1: the beach part first, although maybe you just want to 567 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,679 Speaker 1: do the amusement park and tire your kids out so 568 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: that that works as well. Another one is to not 569 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: be afraid of solo travel with one kid, even if 570 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: the kid is relatively young, because if it is a 571 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: one on one trip, it is a lot easier than 572 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 1: even if you have two parents but lots of kids. 573 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: So you might even consider doing international trips with one child. 574 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 1: I think over the age of five again, but one 575 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: parent can handle one child in a way that you 576 00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: know even two parents might have a harder time. Hand 577 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: three headphone splitter, I agree with that. That's such an 578 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: easy thing to have on hand. That could solve a 579 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: lot of battles, and they'll just be so happy you 580 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: have it in their cheap and available Bribery is another 581 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: tip that you can relax the rules to encourage good 582 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: behavior on trips, because a kid might be marginally more 583 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: likely to behave at a museum if they know they 584 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: are getting ice cream for lunch, So that's something you 585 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: can hold out there as an idea. Oh and I 586 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: love this last one. Rather than souvenirs. Encourage kids to 587 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: look for something specific, like a Christmas ornament that could 588 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: commemorate the trip, cool museum postcards that you could then 589 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: frame at home. But it's a great way to keep 590 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: a reminder of the adventure without cramming bags full of junk. 591 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: And then it allows the kids to channel that impulse 592 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: that they want to buy something into something that you 593 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: might use, as opposed to the vast majority of stuff 594 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: that you were not. I also like this person's an 595 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: end of day contest to get how many steps we took. 596 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: I just think that's cute. That's cute, and many times 597 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: it's a lot. That is one of the upsides of 598 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: family travel. All right, Well, let's go to our question 599 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: for the week. Sarah, why don't you address this because 600 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: you have more go ahead. Yeah, this may be an 601 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: immediate reality as soon reality for both of us, So 602 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: well hoping all right, So, so so I'm hoping you can 603 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: talk about moving with kids. My husband and I just 604 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: purchased our first home. It's also our first time moving 605 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: with our two year old. We're moving one town over, 606 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: so kind of like, well, Laura and I are moving 607 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: even less than that. But yeah, so not across the country. 608 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 1: I'd love to hear about anything you've learned to make 609 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: the moving with kids process more efficient and less stressful 610 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 1: for everyone. How do you make time for packing? Do 611 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: you outsource everything? We need all the advice we can get, 612 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: so I'm hoping, yes, this should err before they're moved, 613 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: so that's helpful. We have outsourced as much as possible 614 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: in the past. Full disclosure, we had some moves paid 615 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: for by work, because sometimes that's a kerk when you 616 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: start a new job. But I think we will shell 617 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: out for some of the same things, like having somebody 618 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: else pack you up and having I don't think we 619 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: paid for the like the unpacking. I believe we did 620 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: the unpacking, but they did all of the packing, like 621 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: I don't remember. I think we did, like our few 622 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: valuables and everything else. They just came in and it 623 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: was like amazing on the truck. I do think decluttering 624 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 1: as much as you can so you don't move stuff 625 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: you don't want is helpful. Do not have it in 626 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: your brain that you're gonna like put your feet up 627 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: in a picture perfect palace on day two, like maybe 628 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: Laura will, because she spent a lot of time working 629 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: on this new house, but I know that we won't. 630 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: It takes a while to really move in somewhere fully 631 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: and have your stuff where you want it, and it 632 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: may take some trial and error. I do think if 633 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: you can send your kids away for a bit, to 634 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: a family member, to a kind friend, set up an 635 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: exchange of kids, whatever you have to do, because having 636 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: it out of the way is helpful. Maybe one of 637 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: the first things you do in the new place be 638 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: set up your TV and play area so the kids 639 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: can have stuff to do while you unpack everything else. 640 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: And then finally, I will just say from personal experience, 641 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: I did a lot of fretting about switching schools mid year. 642 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: Again your miles Maybury, and I've heard people say, well 643 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: for my family X, Y and Z, but for us, 644 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: the younger is easier. The older your kids get, the 645 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: more attached they are to their classmates and friends, and 646 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: the less excited they'll be about moving. I think the 647 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: only exception would be like if your kids at a 648 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,479 Speaker 1: cut point where the school tends to like maybe you're 649 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: at a private school literally goes to eighth grade, so 650 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: like you know, everyone would have moved anyway, then it 651 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 1: might not be a big deal, but otherwise I think 652 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: it's harder for older kids. Yeah, we're about to face 653 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: this down. I mean, yes, we plan to higher movers. 654 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: I mean we're driving some of the stuff over because 655 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: it's only two miles away, but probably we're going to 656 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: need people to pack it all up and move it over. 657 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: I've seen that it's helpful to have one box that 658 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: is like, unpack this first. So it's like anything you 659 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 1: kind of actively need in the first twenty four hours 660 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: needs to be separated out so that you can have 661 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: access to it in the first twenty four hours. Because obviously, 662 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: you know, you can go out and buy more toilet paper, 663 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: but if you already owned toilet paper, like you probably 664 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: want to have that available to you by the time 665 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: people are using the new bathrooms. So that's something that 666 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: you might do. Or pet food. When we moved from 667 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,479 Speaker 1: New York, like we had our pet food boxed up 668 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: our fish food, so we have had the fish in 669 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,479 Speaker 1: a little bowl like at my feet, Like driving from 670 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 1: New York, we got here and like, where's the fish food? 671 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: So are hunting around for that. But yeah, we had 672 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: boxes for a long time. I mean it just was 673 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: a you know, a matter of weeks before they were 674 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: put away as opposed to a matter of days. And 675 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: so if you can just sort of steal yourself for that, 676 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: because you are not going to magically have more time 677 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: or more energy just because you moved like and so 678 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: if you can just acknowledge that, then you'll probably be happier. 679 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 1: So we'll put that out there, all right, So our 680 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 1: love of the week, Sarah, What's what's your love of 681 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 1: the week this week? Oh? I'm going to go with 682 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 1: my made well perfect vintage jeans because I order them, 683 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 1: I like them, and I feel slightly more in style 684 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,800 Speaker 1: now that skinny jeans are not cool anymore, not cool anymore, 685 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,840 Speaker 1: So I what is or I'm going to say that 686 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: the Boden catalog. My daughter picked out a bunch of 687 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 1: really cute clothes from the Mini Boden thing and it's 688 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: fun to buy, you know, cute clothes for a girl 689 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 1: who's still into cute stuff. I'm sure that will change 690 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 1: in the next year or two and there will be 691 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,440 Speaker 1: all sorts of stuff that I won't want her to 692 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 1: be wearing, but for now, she likes the cute little 693 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,399 Speaker 1: girls the stuff, so it was fun to order some 694 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,959 Speaker 1: sweater dresses and leggings and cute pajamas. So big fan 695 00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: of that catalog. All right, well, this has been best 696 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,839 Speaker 1: of both worlds that we've been talking our five year 697 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 1: travel plan and how to move with young kids. We 698 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 1: will be back next week with more on making work 699 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:13,240 Speaker 1: and life fit together. Thanks for listening. You can find 700 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: me Sarah at the shoebox dot com or at the 701 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 1: Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, and you can find me Laura 702 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: at Laura vandercam dot com. This has been the best 703 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: of both worlds podcasts. Please join us next time for 704 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 1: more on making work and life work together.