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Speaker 1: Previously on murder in Oregon.

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Speaker 2: Six forty five pm on January seventeenth, nineteen eighty nine,

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Speaker 2: the night before he was to present the findings of

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Speaker 2: his investigation, Michael Frankie walked out of the Dome Building,

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Speaker 2: headquarters of the Oregon Department of Corrections. Forty minutes later,

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Speaker 2: Elise Clausen found his car with the driver's side door open.

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Speaker 3: I went out the front steps and the goord to

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Speaker 3: his car was open, and I hollered at him because

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Speaker 3: I couldn't see him, and I had this really creepy feeling.

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Speaker 2: After a four hour search, his body was found outside

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Speaker 2: the office building's north entrance. He had been stabbed in

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Speaker 2: the heart and was lying in a pool of his

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Speaker 4: It was a public official who discovered corruption in his

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Speaker 4: own department the night before he was to address the

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Speaker 4: Legislative committee on this very object. He was stabbed in

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Speaker 4: the heart in front of the building where he worked.

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Speaker 5: Corrections was made up of literally family members, an ex wife,

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Speaker 5: a wife, a cousin, an uncle, a brother, a sister,

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Speaker 5: and they basically interlocked and protected each other.

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Speaker 3: There had been issues in the prison system that he

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Speaker 3: discovered and wanted to remedy. I think he made a

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Speaker 3: number of people in the department uncomfortable, probably the head

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Speaker 4: Scott McAllister, who was the ag lawyer who had for

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Speaker 4: the previous twelve or thirteen years been assigned to corrections.

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Speaker 4: And so that's the third member of that collection of

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Speaker 4: a Department of Corrections officers on the alps with Frankie.

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Speaker 1: About a week.

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Speaker 4: After the murder, the police held a press conference and

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Speaker 4: announced they were interested in talking with a man who

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Speaker 4: had been seen in the Dome building. He quickly became

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Speaker 4: known as the man the pinstripe suit.

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Speaker 6: The pinstriped suit was supposed to disarm him.

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Speaker 7: Get him in his office, and make it look like

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Speaker 7: a suicide.

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Speaker 6: I went to a psyche and she said that he

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Speaker 6: has somebody in custody right now named John Kate who.

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Speaker 8: Says it's c crass.

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Speaker 6: She said he probably didn't do it, but he had

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Speaker 6: some information about it.

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Speaker 2: They didn't like the people his confession would ultimately lead to.

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Speaker 1: That's what it looks like for sure.

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Speaker 9: Murder in Oregon is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: By Outward Appearances at the time of Michael Frankie's murder,

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Speaker 2: then Governor Neil Goldschmidt was Oregon's golden boy. He'd inherited

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Speaker 2: a broken correction system, but hired Michael Frankie and made

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Speaker 2: eighty six investigation. He seemingly had nothing to lose by

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Speaker 2: pursuing Mike's killer, So why would he resist?

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Speaker 4: Well, that was the big question. I mean, for all

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Speaker 4: anyone knew he was completely clean. He had been the

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Speaker 4: golden boy of Oregon politics for years since he ran

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Speaker 4: as a very young, handsome candidate for mayor and was

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Speaker 1: People talked about.

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Speaker 4: Him being the first Jewish president. And here he was

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Speaker 4: Governor resisting my requests and other requests in the media

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Speaker 4: for more attention to the eighty six investigation and the

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Speaker 4: possibility that Michael Frankie was investigating corruption in his department.

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Speaker 4: He was resisting it, and I couldn't figure it out

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Speaker 4: because he was a smart politician besides everything else, and

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Speaker 4: he hadn't come into office until after the eighty six

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Speaker 4: investigation or eighty six cover up, as I think of

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Speaker 4: him it now, it didn't make any sense. I couldn't

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Speaker 4: figure out what was going on because.

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Speaker 2: He could have easily tacked it on to a mess

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Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, he could have blamed it on his predecession. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: it happened under the previous administration.

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Speaker 2: But there was no way anybody would have been prepared

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Speaker 2: for the reason why no one thought there was.

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Speaker 1: A problem except me, I guess, and.

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Speaker 2: Then there would be a huge problem.

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Speaker 4: We would learn later that he had a great deal

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Speaker 4: to cover up.

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Speaker 2: I'm Lauren Bright Pacheco, and this is murder in Oregon.

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Speaker 2: If Goldschmid's in action was a mystery, what's clear now

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Speaker 2: is Salem and Oregon were heavily riddled with crime and corruption.

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Speaker 2: Chuck Side served as a state representative in Oregon's legislature

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Speaker 2: from nineteen eighty four to eighty nine. He grew up

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Speaker 2: corruption has a long colorful history in the area.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of payoffs, you know.

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Speaker 5: There was just basically the politicians knew who to get

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Speaker 5: literally the good old boys system that worked for many, many, many,

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Speaker 5: many many years. Well, when I came home from college, well,

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Speaker 5: there is seven people that ran the town, and they

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Speaker 5: came to me because of my dad's friendships with them,

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Speaker 5: and said, hey, we want you on the school board.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, I'll be happy to do that. I was

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Speaker 1: on the school board within two weeks. It was kind

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Speaker 5: It was just an opportunity for any learned a lot

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Speaker 5: because everything's political. Everything's political, So I learned that.

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Speaker 2: As Chuck talked to us through Oregon's checkered past, he

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Speaker 2: gave us a tour of his beautifully restored historical office building.

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Speaker 2: It's in downtown Salem, not far from the Dome building

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Speaker 2: and has been utilized for many purposes over the years.

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Speaker 2: It was once a Masonic lodge and even has a

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Speaker 2: floor that served as a booze friendly ballroom during Prohibition,

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Speaker 2: complete with an antique pump organ bub just like the

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Speaker 1: So the bar was up here.

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Speaker 5: The original bar is still there, but this is where

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Speaker 5: the organ was inside this little messanie. And of course

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Speaker 5: that's where the slot machines were, and you had a

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Speaker 5: it was remodeled, where that was where the guard.

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Speaker 2: Was, so they would know if they were going to

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Speaker 1: Oh any yeah, yeah, And you didn't touch them.

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Speaker 5: Because they were so powerful that everybody belonged to a

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Speaker 5: Masonic lodge. They had a lot of weight when it

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Speaker 2: Chuck Side's own political career path wasn't too far off

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Speaker 2: from that sort of model. According to Chuck, he didn't

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Speaker 2: choose politics as much as politics chose him.

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Speaker 5: After eight years on the school board, I was asked

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Speaker 2: Those same good old boys, the ones who ran the

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Speaker 2: They also pushed for his election to the state's House

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Speaker 2: first hand look into the structure of power in Oregon.

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Speaker 5: We had a governor named Neil Goldschmidt. Neil was the

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Speaker 5: type of person, like a Bill Clinton, you go into

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Speaker 5: a room and you just could.

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Speaker 1: Follow him out.

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Speaker 2: In our first episode, we talked a bit about what

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Speaker 2: Mike Frankie walked into on the heels of the nineteen

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Speaker 2: Sides actually watched it unfold.

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Speaker 5: The hookers and everybody were out on Portland Road, which

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Speaker 5: prostitutes and all that stuff, and.

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Speaker 1: That was normal.

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Speaker 5: But it was very low key, and he didn't It's

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Speaker 5: not until I started when I got elected.

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Speaker 1: I started riding around with the city police.

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Speaker 5: I learned more about my city than I ever knew

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Speaker 5: in terms of where things were done and all that

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Speaker 2: It was also extremely segregated.

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Speaker 5: Salem did not allow minorities to live here. Even in

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Speaker 5: gone get out of here by sundown. So I went

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Speaker 5: to school in a big, big school high school. Oh

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Speaker 5: there was two blacks, and you know, it was stuff

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Speaker 5: like that that was happening that I never saw.

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Speaker 1: But it was.

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Speaker 5: Controlled by six's seven people and things were put up with.

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Speaker 2: But there were some situations that were beyond that system's

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Speaker 4: If Goldschmidt, as I thought of the time, was clean,

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Speaker 4: then it was obvious even then that Marion County, that

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Speaker 4: state government and the county government was anything but. I mean,

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Speaker 4: the two previous das had been pushed out of office.

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Speaker 4: One had gone to prison for dipping into public funds

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Speaker 4: and the second one was pushed out of office in

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Speaker 4: mid term over a domestic assault report.

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Speaker 2: Here's Chuck Side's take, if you want to get into it.

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Speaker 5: Dick Van Dyke's son, Chris was the DA in town,

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Speaker 5: and he was an up and comer and basically was

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Speaker 5: chrisma a lot like Goldsmith and all that stuff. Rris

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Speaker 5: instantly copies of that got out. Because the Republicans didn't

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Speaker 5: but it knocked him out because of that whole scandal.

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Speaker 2: We have a copy of that police report. And while

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Speaker 2: the charges against Van Dyck were later dropped, the political

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Speaker 4: So he left in eighty three. And each of these

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Speaker 2: Remember Dale Penn, he was the district attorney who oversaw

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Speaker 2: that nineteen eighty six lbeda investigation into corruption within corrections

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Speaker 2: as well as the investigation into Michael Frankie's murder, both

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Speaker 2: during a time when the social atmosphere in Salem could

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Speaker 2: be characterized as rather steamy and cd.

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Speaker 4: The entire scene down there was overheated. It was the eighties.

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Speaker 4: It was coke for the professional class, meth for the

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Speaker 4: included lots and lots of X cons and cons on parol. Salem,

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Speaker 4: by law at that time, had all the prisons, and

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Speaker 4: so that naturally drew all the families there. When they

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Speaker 4: So it was a strange culture that included all the

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Speaker 4: public officials and bureaucrats on one hand and a large

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Speaker 2: So that kind of culture, that kind of environment where

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Speaker 2: you had X cons mingling side by side with the

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Speaker 2: like the perfect recipe for corruption.

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Speaker 4: Well, it certainly made it much easier, especially if you

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Speaker 2: System Salem in the nineteen eighties didn't exactly sound like Mayberry.

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Speaker 2: Multiple people we interviewed referenced variations of a sex, drug

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Speaker 2: and hot tub fueled atmosphere. Here's Chuck Sides again.

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Speaker 5: Down the block was a company called Key Title. It

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Speaker 5: no longer exists, but Key Title hadded beautiful women working

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Speaker 5: for him and they got into a partnership for fun

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Speaker 5: parties and that type of thing. This guy named Scott McCallister,

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Speaker 5: who you've heard of work for the Attorney General's.

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Speaker 1: Office, had photos of those.

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Speaker 5: It was the naked hot tub stuff that was cool,

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Speaker 5: but it was really relieving tensions after work. And obviously

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Speaker 5: there was the relationships and everything.

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Speaker 8: But I was.

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Speaker 5: Totally naive until Michael and then all of a sudden

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Speaker 5: this stuff came out and the cons knew it.

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Speaker 2: And these subcultures and communities even formed inside the prisons,

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Speaker 2: where corruption like water also found its way and likely

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Speaker 2: with even less resistance.

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Speaker 5: There's a culture community inside the prisons, both sides the

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Speaker 2: Downs Diane Downs is the notorious Oregon postal worker who

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Speaker 5: You met these people live sitting like this close. But

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Speaker 2: Chuck says, prisons at the time didn't exactly put the

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Speaker 5: There was a lot of sex going on, and you

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Speaker 2: That's the assistant ag. Michael was having trouble removing and

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Speaker 1: He took them as by gas.

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Speaker 5: But there was a number of people there, I mean,

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Speaker 5: That was what they were doing. So there was that

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Speaker 5: But you'll find fighting and you'll find sex.

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Speaker 2: After moving to Salem in nineteen seventy four, Jim Hill

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Speaker 10: And I remember when one of the conclusions out of

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Speaker 10: when you talk about corrections, whenever you're in close proximity

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Speaker 2: Hill says, a stubborn naivete was firmly ingrained in the state.

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Speaker 10: And see, this was a time when people felt that

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Speaker 10: we're better than that. But once Michael was murdered, obviously

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Speaker 2: But Hill was well aware of an ongoing pattern of corruption,

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Speaker 2: particularly in corrections, including the Asian fire, which was arson

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Speaker 10: Well, we knew about the fire, and going far back

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Speaker 10: a discussion that some people had now for example, donated

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Speaker 2: And it could have included a variety of people from

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Speaker 10: You know, in a lot of communities you find that

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Speaker 10: you are also starting to get connected with some very

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Speaker 2: And then there were the law officers themselves, the people

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Speaker 11: Well, I know, after I got into investigations, I determined

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Speaker 11: and found out that it was more corruption in this

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Speaker 11: people were not qualified.

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Speaker 7: We had dirty cops.

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Speaker 11: Some I wouldn't hire for damned doll catcher, dirty cops,

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Speaker 2: Boutwell says many of his fellow police officers were more

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Speaker 11: They didn't meddle with the girls in the office, other

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Speaker 7: He didn't matter if they were married. Didn't make it

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Speaker 7: damn with them. They do it anyway.

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Speaker 11: I don't think there is one damn one of them

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Speaker 11: I know what they talk, I know what they do.

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Speaker 7: But there was that kind of stuff on.

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Speaker 11: Then we had the prostitution going just right on your

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Speaker 7: Then we had the gambling, the same thing.

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Speaker 11: One of the guys we threw out there was a

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Speaker 7: Argan State Play.

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Speaker 2: It must have infuriated you.

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Speaker 11: Oh yeah, I did, because, like I told people, you know,

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Speaker 7: I came here because I hate crooks and I just

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Speaker 7: got better.

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Speaker 2: In person. Boutwell has a wiry, restrained energy that crackles

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Speaker 2: with intensity even now. He's the sort of guy you

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Speaker 7: That's why I was known is don't screw with him

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Speaker 7: because that's your head.

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Speaker 2: It's easy to understand how he got his nickname.

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Speaker 7: That's why I got the name mad Dog.

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Speaker 2: And nothing made him matter than corruption.

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Speaker 11: We took on the gambling, and then we took on

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Speaker 11: the prostitution, and that prostitution was something else. For years,

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Speaker 11: there was a network of prostitute houses ever known as

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Speaker 11: rub shops, massage prowlers, and wordise. They had worked it

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Speaker 11: for many years trying to make a prostitution case, but

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Speaker 11: for some reason couldn't do it well. In about six weeks,

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Speaker 11: we cleaned the whole county out there. I think there

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Speaker 7: And the man I was after he was the Kingpenny

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Speaker 11: Of poor corners and was the inside actual owner, insulcting

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Speaker 11: we arrested members of Salem's ethics committee.

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Speaker 7: So that's kind of how that.

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Speaker 2: Went down, and it went down with meticulous surveillance.

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Speaker 11: They put a guard inside which was for us as

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Speaker 7: He was taking notes.

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Speaker 11: So we got politicians, we got attorneys, we got doctors, lawyers,

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Speaker 7: We even got.

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Speaker 11: Police officers, that were transport officers from other cities here

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Speaker 11: doing things of this nature. It was an out and

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Speaker 11: out prostitution. The bad thing that it was is because

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Speaker 11: of who we had in there is it goes to

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Speaker 11: Dale Penn for prosecution. He was a district attorney and

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Speaker 11: because of who was in there, he didn't take it.

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Speaker 7: So he joves over to AG's office.

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Speaker 11: This is where it gets really interesting because the casey

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Speaker 11: was never prosecuted. It was we say it was swapped

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Speaker 7: But we had judging there.

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Speaker 11: Even the name Gount with Sloper Valle Sloper sat in

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Speaker 7: Whoever we got in there was people you did not.

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Speaker 2: Believe, Boutwell says. In addition to the high level, bold

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Speaker 2: faced names they ensnared, it was also an air tight

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Speaker 11: We had out and out RICO. We could have did

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Speaker 11: who these big people were.

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Speaker 2: RICO stands for racketeer, Influenced and Corrupt Organizations, a federal

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Speaker 2: law that provides for extended criminal penalties for acts performed

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Speaker 2: as part of an ongoing criminal organization all.

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Speaker 11: Kinds of criminal activity that was going on, drugs, you name,

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Speaker 11: it was there. We had paper trails, eyewitness confessions by

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Speaker 11: the jobs and fashions by the prostitutes, polsitif ideeds, there's

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Speaker 11: no way in heck he could have lost that case.

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Speaker 11: They gave it over the AG's office. Bams just kind

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Speaker 11: of like under the dirt. Nobody wants to talk about it.

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Speaker 2: Did you ever question that?

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I did.

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Speaker 11: Well, we were told that they were going to take

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Speaker 11: take it pro prosecution because they were going to work it.

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Speaker 7: Penn.

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Speaker 11: He was kind of closed my mouth. Everybody was closed

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Speaker 7: In the news.

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Speaker 2: And the more stories Boltwell shared, the more I was

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Speaker 2: reminded of something Phil once told me.

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Speaker 4: Salem was like a big sweater and the thread of

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Speaker 11: Back to Boutwell, there's a string of arsons that I

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Speaker 11: and every one of those things were the same thing.

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Speaker 11: And that was at the time that Chris Vandyck left

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Speaker 11: and left Michael Brown as the district attorney, acting total election.

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Speaker 11: I'd arrested a guy the former bail Supreme Court and

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Speaker 11: I took him of her several counts of juvenal right

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Speaker 7: Down eleven year old girl.

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Speaker 11: However, a serious of months if these people all all

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Speaker 2: Together, just like a sweater, and apparently doing drugs also

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Speaker 8: Everyone was doing it.

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Speaker 4: The drug bars in the city, the big coke bars

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Speaker 8: Have talked to me about.

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Speaker 4: How they preferred to be tipped with little bindles of cocaine.

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Speaker 4: And with the lobbyists, the politicians, all the lawyers hanging

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Speaker 2: Kevin even told me that in the bathroom there was

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Speaker 8: Oh, in Jonathan's.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there was a mirror. Everyone knew it. Yeah, it

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Speaker 8: That's the problem here. That's the problem.

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Speaker 3: A man.

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Speaker 2: We will only refer to by his first name, Robert,

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Speaker 2: had a front row seat to those compromised. He was

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Speaker 2: a guy named Ron Spears, who managed an auto repair

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Speaker 12: Started off driving him to work. Sometimes he'd say, yeah,

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Speaker 12: lot of state and county vehicles. They had parking on

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Speaker 12: the roof. So it started off a couple of weeks

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Speaker 12: of that, and then in the evening we'd drive around

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Speaker 12: and he'd make pickups. As he put it, he'd be

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Speaker 12: picking up cash. Ron was very proud of his welding skills,

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Speaker 12: and he'd have me look at a car and some

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Speaker 12: of the old county and state cars they had back.

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Speaker 12: Then he goes, see if you can find the compartment. Yeah,

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Speaker 12: I go where and he goes, okay, look at look

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Speaker 12: in the back. So I'd look in the back. I'd

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Speaker 12: tried pulling carpet back and everything, and then he'd showed

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Speaker 12: me in thirty seconds, he'd have a compartment open.

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Speaker 2: So he'd custom fit these cars with hidden compartments.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, and a lot of the cars had the little

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Speaker 12: cage in the back. So these were corrections vehicles that

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Speaker 12: were used to transport inmates. I assume one of the

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Speaker 12: times when he's mixing his beer with his quayludes and

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Speaker 12: he'd talk a lot. That's how you get him in

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Speaker 12: the prison. They have their own autoshop in there. They

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Speaker 12: know when it's coming, the guards know when it's coming.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So they were transporting drugs into the prison and official.

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Speaker 12: Vehicles, including the district Attorney's office. There's one lady that

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Speaker 12: he was having a thing with. She'd always have her

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Speaker 12: car down there and he would place around cylinder.

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Speaker 2: Thing, why did she stick out in your head?

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Speaker 12: Because she was down there a lot, especially for there

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Speaker 12: after hours.

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Speaker 1: You know, they'd kiss and all that. She was hooked.

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Speaker 12: I think she was doing the same thing he was

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Speaker 12: speeding the morning kayludes nights.

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Speaker 2: And she worked at the district attorneys. Sure, all these

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Speaker 2: CD stories sound salacious, but Phil who's written four books

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Speaker 2: on corruption, says these sort of situations are as American

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Speaker 2: as apple pie.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think it's probably fairly typical of a lot

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Speaker 4: of cities at the time. My first book, Portland Confidential,

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Speaker 4: was about Portland back in the fifties when the old

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Speaker 4: style payoff system was in force. It was actually part

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Speaker 4: of city government in Portland and most major cities across

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Speaker 4: the country. At the end of the month, the police

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Speaker 4: captains and the head of the vice squad would go

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Speaker 4: out to the major vice operators and collect what was

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Speaker 4: due based on the number of card tables, number of prostitutes,

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Speaker 4: and so forth, and then divvy it up to the

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Speaker 4: city council, the mayor, and other certain high ranking police officials.

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Speaker 4: Book it was about a suppressed vice scandal in Portland

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Speaker 4: in the seventies, which is more like what was going

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Speaker 4: on in Salem at the time. At that time, in Portland,

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Speaker 4: the narcotics Squad was actually putting drug dealers to work

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Speaker 4: for them. They'd bust them, but they wouldn't take them

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Speaker 4: in and arrest them. They just put them to work

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Speaker 4: time and time again, and they would take large percentage

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Speaker 4: of the deal. They would take drugs off the street

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Speaker 4: from other drug dealers and give them to their favorite

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Speaker 4: drug dealers. They put them back on the street so

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Speaker 4: that's the sort of thing that was going on in Salem.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't that unusual. The drug money is so big

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Speaker 4: it is hard to resist, and inevitably you're going to

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Speaker 4: have narcotics cops who fall into it, and there were

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Speaker 4: a number of dirty narcotics cops in Salem there. But

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Speaker 4: beyond that, even though those who don't become corrupt are

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Speaker 4: compromised just because of the very nature of drug enforcement.

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Speaker 4: The only way they can do it, since it's basically

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Speaker 4: a crime that neither side is going to report the

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Speaker 4: other four is to team up with half the drug dealers,

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Speaker 4: and usually after they bust them and get them to

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Speaker 4: turn in their competition, it's instantly compromising and very often

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Speaker 4: leads to corruption.

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Speaker 2: Was there an organized drug dealing group or gang in Salem?

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Speaker 7: Oh, there there were several.

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Speaker 1: It's a big business.

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Speaker 4: It's a major part of the economy in Salem anyplace else.

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Speaker 4: And so you had a number of people cooking meth.

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Speaker 4: They had to have their distribution systems, people bringing in cocaine, heroin,

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Speaker 4: and of course then marijuana was illegal.

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Speaker 1: That was a big part of it too.

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Speaker 4: And one of them, of course, was what we call

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Speaker 4: the Kaiser mafia, a bunch of guys who'd grown up

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Speaker 4: together in the attached suburb of Kaiser, started in high school,

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Speaker 4: dealing drugs, breaking into places, getting into all sorts of trouble,

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Speaker 4: but then figuring out how to stay out of it.

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Speaker 2: That strategy apparently included paying off the local cops, some

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Speaker 2: of whom they'd grown up and gone to school with,

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Speaker 2: and cultivating business connections that reached behind bars. Vince Taylor

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Speaker 2: ran with the Kaiser Mafia.

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Speaker 13: It's just a bunch of group of guys that consider

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Speaker 13: themselves untouchable, you know, with a lot of money and

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Speaker 13: a lot of stuff. And they were running Kaiser in

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Speaker 13: a sense where you know, if you didn't buy from them,

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Speaker 13: then you'd better have an excuse why you don't buy

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Speaker 13: them from them, or ask them if it's okay to

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Speaker 13: get it somewhere else, you know, stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: And their drug dealing territory also included the prisons.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, definitely.

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Speaker 2: One of the members of the Kaiser Mafia was Taylor's

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Speaker 2: childhood friend, a guy named Tim Natividad, who was also

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Speaker 2: known as Rooster. He's someone who'll heavily figure into multiple

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Speaker 2: facets and theories about Mike Frankie's murder. A good looking

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Speaker 2: guy with dark hair, dark eyes, and symmetrical features. But

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Speaker 2: even as a kid, Natividad came with a past.

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Speaker 13: I met Tim two days after he got here. I

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Speaker 13: think he came here on what the witness protection program

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Speaker 13: type thing with his mom. Became instantly friends with him.

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Speaker 13: I mean, I don't know when that exact was, but

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Speaker 13: I mean, like in the eighties.

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Speaker 2: And then Tim started using drugs.

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Speaker 13: Major personality change. He was one person that I can

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Speaker 13: think of that should have never ever got involved in

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Speaker 13: that kind of thing because he was a totally different person.

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Speaker 13: Going to people's house and you know, they owe money,

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Speaker 13: and he would get crazy, you know, I mean, God,

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Speaker 13: for twenty dollars, you ogly twenty dollars, you're going to

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Speaker 13: beat him to death, you know, I mean, it's kind

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Speaker 13: of ridiculous. He was violent, very violent. I mean, he

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Speaker 13: probably full of a gun on me at least in

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Speaker 13: my lifetime ten times, and two of the times pulled

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Speaker 13: the trigger, but there was it misfired, you know, it

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Speaker 13: didn't shoot.

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Speaker 2: So Tim got a reputation, and many, including officials and corrections,

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Speaker 2: knew he was violent. Do you think that it's possible

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Speaker 2: that Tim killed Michael Frankie.

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Speaker 13: Oh I do, I do, yep, But I almost guarantee

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Speaker 13: it that on it. Why I just believe he did

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Speaker 13: because he did a lot of crazy stuff that no

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Speaker 13: one knew about and then would have a huge amount

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Speaker 13: of money, you know, and then what I heard, but

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Speaker 13: you know, I can't tell you this for sure, but

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Speaker 13: that he was paid to do that, you know, by

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Speaker 13: prison people that were involved, and we're stressing Frankie coming

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Speaker 13: out with some crazy stuff. You know, it would have

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Speaker 13: ended their job career and everything. You know, Tim, he

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Speaker 13: was capable of doing that. And funny how he got

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Speaker 13: killed with a knife, and that was Tim's main thing.

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Speaker 13: He always had multiple knives on him, always had one

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Speaker 13: in his hand with a blade.

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Speaker 1: Out, always, always always.

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Speaker 13: I can't ever say for sure, but I would say

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Speaker 13: anybody in this whole world would be the one.

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Speaker 1: Responsible for that.

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Speaker 2: On the next episode of Murder and Oregon Corruption and

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Speaker 2: Drugs Shatter Families.

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Speaker 3: I was at home taking care of the baby, being

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Speaker 3: a good girl while he was out selling drugs instigating violence.

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Speaker 3: I was terrified.

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Speaker 5: I knew he was going to kill me and grab

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Speaker 5: that damn gun.

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Speaker 2: And evil he had shot and killed him as her

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Speaker 2: boyfriend or husband, and she just starts screaming, all tied

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Speaker 2: to the same man and possibly to the murder of

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Speaker 2: Michael Frankie.

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