WEBVTT - The Diddy Trial:  !!!BREAKING!!!  Court Abruptly Cancelled 

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, folks, it is Wednesday, June eighteenth. Today is day

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<v Speaker 1>twenty sixth of the sixth week of testimony in the

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<v Speaker 1>Diddy trial, and jurors keep making headlines. Welcome to this

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<v Speaker 1>episode of Amy and TJ.

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<v Speaker 2>We continue to be your.

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<v Speaker 1>One stop shop to keep you updated on everything going

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<v Speaker 1>on in the Diddy trial and Robes. I say, it's

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<v Speaker 1>to day twenty sixth of testimony. But lo and behold,

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<v Speaker 1>as we sit here, there will not be testimony today because.

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<v Speaker 2>Of a juror.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, and it's not the juror that we thought

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<v Speaker 3>might be causing all of the headlines. Initially, we were

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<v Speaker 3>expecting that the judge may make his decision about Juror

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<v Speaker 3>number seven, that's the second juror that potentially could have

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<v Speaker 3>been removed from the jury because he was alleged to

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<v Speaker 3>have been discussing the case with a work colleague. And

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<v Speaker 3>so we didn't hear about that juror. Instead, we heard

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<v Speaker 3>about a sick juror.

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<v Speaker 1>Sick, like of all the things I was anticipating, today,

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<v Speaker 1>no testimony. They will not have a day of the

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<v Speaker 1>Diddy trial today because a juror is sick. Now I

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<v Speaker 1>immediately thought, well, wait, what the hell.

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<v Speaker 2>There's been so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Weird stuff going on, so I thought something might be

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<v Speaker 1>out something else strange.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is pretty serious. If anybody has had.

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<v Speaker 3>Vertigo, yes I've experienced it before. You have incredibly dizzy,

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<v Speaker 3>you feel very nauseated. But the thing is, just because

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<v Speaker 3>you have vertigo symptoms doesn't mean you have vertico. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm imagining if you feel or if this juror felt

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<v Speaker 3>that ill, or that unwell and that dizzy and nauseated,

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<v Speaker 3>that juror probably needs to go to the doctor, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>even the emergency room to rule out other more serious conditions,

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<v Speaker 3>because that could be something much more significant. And so

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<v Speaker 3>because of that, the judge even said in court today,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean everyone was there, everyone showed up, they were

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<v Speaker 3>all waiting. They're going to have to inquire further about

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<v Speaker 3>the condition of this juror because is this a one

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<v Speaker 3>time event, is this a today only issue, or is

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<v Speaker 3>this something more serious going forward? Does this juror will

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<v Speaker 3>this juror need to be ultimately replaced?

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, for testimony to resume, we.

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<v Speaker 1>Are talking now robes about the potential for now three

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<v Speaker 1>of the twelve jurors who started in the Ditty trial

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<v Speaker 1>might end up off the jury and three alternates put

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<v Speaker 1>in that could change the demographics. It could change this

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<v Speaker 1>makeup drastically.

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<v Speaker 2>And who knows what.

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<v Speaker 1>We know one black guy has been replaced by a

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<v Speaker 1>white guy. We know that defense was fighting tooth and

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<v Speaker 1>nail trying to keep that black guy who was a

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<v Speaker 1>nineties hip hop fan on.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder why.

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<v Speaker 1>But still this is just incredible to me now and

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<v Speaker 1>the juror to your point. And look, if anybody I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't had vertigo, I've been around people with it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's debilitating.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't function, No, you actually can't walk, you can't

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<v Speaker 3>fund look straight. And again, for me, the nausea was

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<v Speaker 3>so bad. I've had it twice in my life and

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<v Speaker 3>the only thing that helped it was to take some dramamine,

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<v Speaker 3>which usually knocks you out and makes you tired. But again,

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<v Speaker 3>I really think unless this juror is someone who has

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<v Speaker 3>experienced this multiple time in their lives, is going to

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<v Speaker 3>have to do some further investigating as to what and

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<v Speaker 3>why they're actually going through this.

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<v Speaker 4>And we don't know anything about this.

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<v Speaker 3>Juror, male, female, black, white, I don't I didn't see

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<v Speaker 3>any details about specifically who this juror was they I.

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<v Speaker 2>Give a juror number right when they were talking about

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<v Speaker 2>on this one.

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<v Speaker 3>We know duror number seven is potentially hanging in the balance.

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<v Speaker 4>Durre number six is off. We don't know what number

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<v Speaker 4>juror this one is.

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<v Speaker 1>And again this is relevant for a number of reasons,

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<v Speaker 1>as we just explained, But the one we haven't talked

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<v Speaker 1>about yet is how big of a deal it is

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<v Speaker 1>because of timing throughout. We're in week six and I

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<v Speaker 1>think Robes, I go back to week two or some

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<v Speaker 1>very early on when the prosecution said, hey, we are

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<v Speaker 1>ahead of schedule. They've been talking about this for a while.

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<v Speaker 1>We are doing good. We're ahead of schedule. We're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be done this week. They told us last week

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<v Speaker 1>they thought they were going to be done today, even

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<v Speaker 1>that the prosecution was going to rest, if not today,

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<v Speaker 1>they said on Friday. So now where do we find ourselves? Robes,

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<v Speaker 1>no core today and it's June teenth tomorrow. They were

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<v Speaker 1>already scheduled to be off, So they're missing two full

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<v Speaker 1>days of testimony. What's that going to do to the timeline?

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<v Speaker 1>How's it going to push it? How much farther back?

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<v Speaker 3>Now? Well, we know that the state. It's not the

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<v Speaker 3>state the fence at the prosecution has three more witnesses

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<v Speaker 3>to call, and one of them is a doozy.

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<v Speaker 4>It's Brendan Paul.

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<v Speaker 3>In fact, all the photographers outside the courtroom this morning

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<v Speaker 3>got pictures of him coming into court.

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<v Speaker 4>He came in ready to testify.

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<v Speaker 3>This is probably the big last star ish witness for

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<v Speaker 3>the prosecution. He was Ditty's personal assistant up until he

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<v Speaker 3>was arrested. Correct or what was his timeline as to

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<v Speaker 3>when he was Ditty's assistant in up to last years?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was reason. But this is the guy a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people labeled as the drug mule.

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<v Speaker 4>He's yes, that's a terrible aka the drug mule.

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<v Speaker 3>But anytime you read about him in any publication, they

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<v Speaker 3>refer to him as Ditty's drug mule, namely because he

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<v Speaker 3>was a rest did around the same time did he

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<v Speaker 3>was arrested after those raids on Ditty's mansions? And yes,

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<v Speaker 3>he had drug charges hanging over his head. Those have

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<v Speaker 3>all been removed. He is now not facing any charges

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<v Speaker 3>and he is now testifying for the prosecution. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 3>that is in exchange for testifying for the prosecution.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and he's gotten an immunity deal already. The judge

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<v Speaker 1>grannam immunity yesterday. But to your point, Ropes, everybody was

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<v Speaker 1>suited and booted.

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<v Speaker 2>They were ready to go this.

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<v Speaker 1>Morning, and this came kind of out of nowhere. So

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how much time. I mean, they went

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<v Speaker 1>longer with a summary witness yesterday than they thought they

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<v Speaker 1>would go. How much will they go? How far would

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<v Speaker 1>they go with Brendan Paul. He seems to be a

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<v Speaker 1>very important witness. I can't imagine it going quickly. So

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<v Speaker 1>to our point about the timeline, now, we could be

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<v Speaker 1>going into next week that the prosecution is still putting

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<v Speaker 1>on its case and its witnesses. The defense wants two

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<v Speaker 1>to five days. They're predicting that's how long they will take.

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<v Speaker 1>So we were talking earlier this week that while the

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<v Speaker 1>jury's going to have this case by next week, now

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<v Speaker 1>it looks like that is not as likely of a scenario.

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<v Speaker 3>I have read that it is unlikely and certainly almost

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<v Speaker 3>impossible that the prosecution would wrap its case on Friday.

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<v Speaker 3>They say it is absolutely going to bleed over into

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<v Speaker 3>next week for all that they have to do and

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<v Speaker 3>think about it.

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<v Speaker 4>We talked about how dry.

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<v Speaker 3>But important, but maybe kind of boring. These summary witnesses

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<v Speaker 3>have been, so you don't want to end.

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<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't imagine.

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<v Speaker 3>Again, I'm no lawyer here, but I do understand wanting

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<v Speaker 3>to leave with an impression or at least something that

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<v Speaker 3>has the jury's thinking and remembering what they last heard

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<v Speaker 3>from the prosecution's case. And so someone like Brandon Paul

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<v Speaker 3>would be that person. So you want to make sure

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<v Speaker 3>you give the jury something to remember with one of

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<v Speaker 3>your final witnesses.

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<v Speaker 1>One im I say, I totally forgot the other thing.

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<v Speaker 1>They're out today unexpectedly, they're off tomorrow for Juneteenth, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're only doing a half day on Friday because one

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<v Speaker 1>of the jurors another jury issue. They're letting a juror

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<v Speaker 1>go to a graduate. I think, well, that makes sense,

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<v Speaker 1>that does, and that's not I'm actually really pleased to

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<v Speaker 1>see that a court, a federal court, will grant that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm okay with that.

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<v Speaker 1>But so this is a week that we thought we

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<v Speaker 1>were going to see a lot of testimony. We're not

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<v Speaker 1>getting as much as we thought.

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<v Speaker 3>So the prosecution may go into Tuesday with that kind

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<v Speaker 3>of a schedule, and they have three more witnesses, and

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<v Speaker 3>one of them we know is going to be a

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<v Speaker 3>big deal for the prosecution. And because it's a big

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<v Speaker 3>deal for the prosecution, the defense obviously is going to

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<v Speaker 3>want to take their turn with brend and Paul as

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<v Speaker 3>well to try and undo any damage he may do

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<v Speaker 3>to Ditty's case or to Ditty's defense at least. So

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<v Speaker 3>I think most people think this, yeah, we and then

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<v Speaker 3>so we're pushing up against the fourth of July now

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<v Speaker 3>for the defense to rest.

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<v Speaker 1>Again on Friday with the half day still. We've seen

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of times they come into court and they're

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<v Speaker 1>arguing about something before court even gets started.

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<v Speaker 2>They've been one.

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<v Speaker 1>Day, they went two hours, yes, before the jury even

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<v Speaker 1>came in.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, the court did take care of business this morning

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<v Speaker 3>while they were trying to figure out what they were

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<v Speaker 3>going to do with the juror, and they were going

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<v Speaker 3>back and forth again while the jury wasn't there, taking

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<v Speaker 3>advantage of that to try and figure out whether or

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<v Speaker 3>not certain text messages were admissible. These text messages the

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<v Speaker 3>prosecution wanted in I believe it was an exchange between

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<v Speaker 3>Diddy and an alleged drug dealer. The defense did not

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<v Speaker 3>want those text exchanges in. But as we're on the

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<v Speaker 3>subject of text messages, we found out a lot and

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<v Speaker 3>it wasn't necessarily even what the prosecution was putting forward

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<v Speaker 3>with the summary witness going over text, but it was

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<v Speaker 3>what the defense was able to do with that witness

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<v Speaker 3>and getting the federal agent to describe text messages that

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<v Speaker 3>the prosecution was skipping over was leaving out during the

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<v Speaker 3>testimony understandably. So when you heard what those text messages were,

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<v Speaker 3>this was.

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<v Speaker 1>All about, Okay, I keep going to the Washington Posts

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<v Speaker 1>because they called the testimony dry.

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<v Speaker 2>Was the line that they just try.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to do this is not the stuff you

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<v Speaker 1>see in movies and on TV. They only show you

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<v Speaker 1>the very exciting ima.

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<v Speaker 4>You can't handle the true thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, this was more of a yes. On that date,

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<v Speaker 1>he traveled from here to there. As you can see

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<v Speaker 1>by the credit card statement. The invoice suggests that that's

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<v Speaker 1>what they've been listening to for a full day.

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<v Speaker 3>And they've been listening to baby oil and sex parties

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<v Speaker 3>and mail as scords.

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<v Speaker 4>So that is a big departure, big departure.

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<v Speaker 1>So the defense, I excuse me, the prosecution who put

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<v Speaker 1>this witness up has been trying to and has been

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<v Speaker 1>going through, yes, a lot of that meticulous stuff, but

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<v Speaker 1>also going through a lot of text message exchanges, again

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<v Speaker 1>trying to bolster the claim that Cassie and others were

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<v Speaker 1>not consensual partners in all this. Now, they used the

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<v Speaker 1>prosecution some really damning text messages that Cassie was writing

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<v Speaker 1>at the time. But the prosecution finishes up. The defense

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<v Speaker 1>gets up there and starts asking about other text messages

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<v Speaker 1>as well, and then ask the guy, Okay, you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>why didn't you mention this one when the prosecution was

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<v Speaker 1>talking to you. The point there being the defense got

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<v Speaker 1>up there and used this witness to highlight a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of positive text messages in fact, that Cassie had sent

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<v Speaker 1>to Diddy.

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<v Speaker 2>We willes. I'm going to start here with what do

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<v Speaker 2>you want to do? The good ones are the bad ones? First?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, let's start.

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<v Speaker 3>I always like the bad news first and then the

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<v Speaker 3>good news at the end. But when we say bad

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<v Speaker 3>news for Ditty, good news for Ditty, So whatever side

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<v Speaker 3>of the venture on, I don't want to make it

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<v Speaker 3>seem as though we're saying one's good ones.

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<v Speaker 2>Using the ugly ones.

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<v Speaker 3>We want to use the Let's start with the prosecution

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<v Speaker 3>the prosecution had their witness read aloud some of these

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<v Speaker 3>text exchanges that are very damning towards Diddy did He writes, Baby,

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<v Speaker 3>I can't say it enough. I'm so sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>Now this yes, very important. I think you're about to

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<v Speaker 1>say the same thing. This is all these we were

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<v Speaker 1>talking about. Here are around that time of that video

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<v Speaker 1>we've all seen now from the hotel in which he

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<v Speaker 1>was dragging, beating, kicking Cassie in the hallway of the hotel.

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<v Speaker 1>But these are some of the exchanges they were they

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<v Speaker 1>shared about.

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<v Speaker 3>That, and this is fascinating because this is in the

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<v Speaker 3>aftermath of all of that. Yes, so, Cassie writes back,

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<v Speaker 3>I still have crazy bruising from Friday. I would be

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<v Speaker 3>a dummy to subject myself to that possibly happening again.

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<v Speaker 3>When you get fucked up the wrong way, you always

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<v Speaker 3>want to show me that you have the power and

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<v Speaker 3>you knock me around. I'm not a rag doll. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>someone's child.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>That is uh, that's a tough one, and I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I say it's a tough one in that she recognized

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<v Speaker 1>she didn't need to be where she was exactly, and

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<v Speaker 1>she stayed and stayed. Look all reasons that Okay, please,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody take what we just said there as us in

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<v Speaker 1>some way blaming her, nothing like that. But she was aware,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's very very she laid out the way all

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<v Speaker 1>of us think when we saw.

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<v Speaker 2>That video, how could you do this? She should never

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<v Speaker 2>deal with him again.

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<v Speaker 1>He must be out of his mind. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>somebody's child. She is not your place. That we all

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<v Speaker 1>have the same and her line, I would be crazy

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<v Speaker 1>to subject myself to.

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<v Speaker 3>That again, and I and honestly that it makes you feel.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very relatable because she's acknowledging it. She knows it

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<v Speaker 3>deep down, she knows that it's wrong. She knows that

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<v Speaker 3>she shouldn't continue to put herself in his.

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<v Speaker 4>Path basically, so to speak.

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<v Speaker 3>But she loves him, or she needs him, or she

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<v Speaker 3>felt like she was financially.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go, that's the prost without him coursed co worst.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, So Cassie also texted him this around the same time.

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<v Speaker 3>Nothing good comes out of freak offs anymore. You treat

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<v Speaker 3>me like Ike Turner's.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, another damning message that they went through exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>And then the final fairly damning text that she wrote

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<v Speaker 3>to Ditty And we all know about this because we've

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<v Speaker 3>heard testimony around this big movie premiere that she had

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<v Speaker 3>in the days following the beating that we saw.

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<v Speaker 4>On that video.

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<v Speaker 3>She writes to Ditty, I have a premiere Monday for

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<v Speaker 3>the biggest thing I have ever done in my life.

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<v Speaker 4>I have a black and a fat lip.

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<v Speaker 3>You are sick for thinking it's okay to do what

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<v Speaker 3>you have done.

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<v Speaker 1>To read her words are chilling in the moment. These

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<v Speaker 1>text messages are i mean, ten plus years old. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's just chilling to you know what you hear in

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<v Speaker 1>these At least she sounds calm, She seems reasonable, she

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<v Speaker 1>seems clear about what's happening and what she needs to do.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, so you hear that. The jury's thinking, wow, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>the prosecution is bolstering its case. I'm hearing from Cassie

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<v Speaker 3>from ten years ago to your point where this isn't

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<v Speaker 3>her remembering it or reflecting on it. This was her

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<v Speaker 3>in the moment, And they're damning. But then the defense says, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>I think you missed a few texts, and has the

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<v Speaker 3>witness read texts that sound very different.

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<v Speaker 1>All this was about is to from the prosecution side,

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<v Speaker 1>you're trying to convince the jury like, here is all

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<v Speaker 1>of it evidence that he paid for this stuff and

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<v Speaker 1>she was being manipulated by him. The defense's job is

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<v Speaker 1>to show that she's a willing participant in all of this.

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<v Speaker 1>And so yeah, they go through the text message that

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<v Speaker 1>prove one thing. I don't know, Rose, what is it

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to prove this other side these other text message

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<v Speaker 1>it suggests a different relationship than the one we've been hearing.

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<v Speaker 4>So much about this.

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<v Speaker 3>So let's read them, and you the listener, can decide.

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<v Speaker 3>But it is confusing, and I can't imagine being a

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<v Speaker 3>juror hearing both of these types of text messages saying

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<v Speaker 3>very different things. So in one of the texts, Cassie

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<v Speaker 3>writes to Diditty, I love you so much. You make

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<v Speaker 3>me a better woman, daughter, sister.

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<v Speaker 1>And keep in mind, folks, these are not like in

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<v Speaker 1>the first couple of weeks or months that they were

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<v Speaker 1>full in freak off mode.

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<v Speaker 2>When these texts are.

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<v Speaker 3>Being well, speaking of one of the other texts, she wrote,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm always ready for a freak off again.

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<v Speaker 1>The proscius will say she was only doing that to

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<v Speaker 1>make him happy, and she's only saying that stuff because this.

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<v Speaker 2>Is what he wanted.

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<v Speaker 3>Then she texts, I'll be the nastiest freak bitch again.

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<v Speaker 2>These are for the defense.

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<v Speaker 1>They will say, see, look she's willing prosecution. Same argument,

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<v Speaker 1>She's just trying to make them happy.

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<v Speaker 3>Next text, I bought the sexiest outfit for later. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I've been really horny. And then she even references role playing,

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<v Speaker 3>where she texts Ditty this the game starts at ten pm.

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<v Speaker 4>No texting after this.

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<v Speaker 3>I am not Cassie and you are not Sean.

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<v Speaker 2>They were into some different stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, but you just said they were into they different stuff,

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<v Speaker 3>and so when you say they are into different stuff,

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<v Speaker 3>it really does raise a question about what her level

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<v Speaker 3>of willing participation was. From those texts, it certainly sounds

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<v Speaker 3>like whether she was trying to make him happy or not,

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<v Speaker 3>she certainly was letting him know that she was into it.

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<v Speaker 3>So you could argue that Diddy didn't know she was

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<v Speaker 3>just saying those things to make him happy. He could

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<v Speaker 3>reasonably read those texts and think she was genuinely into it.

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<v Speaker 4>How was he supposed to know?

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<v Speaker 1>I think I asked you this question yesterday or the

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<v Speaker 1>day before, and we've been talking so many conversations about

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<v Speaker 1>this and the complexity of this case, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>complexity of relationships. But okay, is it still possible that

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<v Speaker 1>she could have genuinely meant every word she read or

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<v Speaker 1>every word you read in those text messages? She wants

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<v Speaker 1>to be nasty, got a nice outfit, and she's genuinely excited. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>but does that mean she is disqualified from being a

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<v Speaker 1>victim on later occasions? Right, and she's not. But for

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<v Speaker 1>a juror deciding whether or not to put a man

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<v Speaker 1>in prison for the rest of his life, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>tough question they got to deal with.

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<v Speaker 4>It is tough.

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<v Speaker 3>And when we were discussing this off, Mike, you mentioned

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<v Speaker 3>can someone have consensual sex with someone to twenty times

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<v Speaker 3>and the twenty first time it'd be rape? And the

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<v Speaker 3>answer is yes, So that is also something to consider.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't envy the jury with this. I think this

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<v Speaker 3>is an incredibly, as you said, complicated, complex, confusing, even

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<v Speaker 3>situation where it's hard to know because if you take

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<v Speaker 3>her for her word when she says I'm somebody's daughter,

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<v Speaker 3>you treat me like I turn her. How do you

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<v Speaker 3>then not also take her at her word when she

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<v Speaker 3>writes I'm ready for a freak off.

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<v Speaker 1>The prosecution argument is that she was doing that to

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<v Speaker 1>make him happy, is their argument throughout. It's how many

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<v Speaker 1>alternates are they speaking?

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<v Speaker 3>I think we said we believe there were six. They've

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<v Speaker 3>got enough, do they?

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<v Speaker 1>Let's hope, because they could literally by this time next

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<v Speaker 1>week could be down three the down one now, a

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<v Speaker 1>second one's on the fence, a third one might be

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<v Speaker 1>in the hospital by this time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in a couple of days.

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<v Speaker 3>The judge did not mention at all this Juror number seven,

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<v Speaker 3>did he? Because he was going to address that. But

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<v Speaker 3>obviously this new drama, this breaking news of this sick

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<v Speaker 3>juror now probably usurped anything he was considering ruling on.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, what happened to you?

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<v Speaker 1>Remember he said he was going to address it at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the day yesterday. We're expecting him to

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<v Speaker 1>address it this morning. What is going on with Juror

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<v Speaker 1>number seven? He keeps kind of kicking the can.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, he kicked the can for Juror number six. He

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<v Speaker 3>let that go on for a couple of days. Maybe

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<v Speaker 3>he was taking time to consider that's fair and weighing

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<v Speaker 3>what each side has said.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't even do you know if the.

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<v Speaker 3>Prosecution how they feel on this or the defense what

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<v Speaker 3>their take is on juror number seven.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't heard who's fighting to possibly keep them.

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<v Speaker 3>Because it could work against both of their cases. We

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<v Speaker 3>don't know what he said, and I don't know if

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<v Speaker 3>the judge has access to what because one would have

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<v Speaker 3>to assume that whoever he told either told the court

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<v Speaker 3>or he told someone who told someone and it got

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<v Speaker 3>to the court that way. But if they were alerted

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<v Speaker 3>that he was discussing it, the question would be in

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<v Speaker 3>what vain was he discussing it? Was he saying he

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<v Speaker 3>was this or that? And so that could put a

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<v Speaker 3>spotlight on where that juror was thinking, and that could

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<v Speaker 3>cause problems. So I don't know if the defense or

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<v Speaker 3>the prosecution how they feel about this juror.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that's right, he should take all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>He can't after all this this trial. Who knows how

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<v Speaker 1>many millions of dollars has cost taxpayers on this to

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<v Speaker 1>have to start it over. You don't want to mistrial,

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<v Speaker 1>You don't want to run out of jurors, and you

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<v Speaker 1>don't actually you also don't want to set up something

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<v Speaker 1>for an easy appeal. So the judge has a difficult

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<v Speaker 1>job for By all accounts, it seems like he's doing

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<v Speaker 1>a good job throughout this case, but he has a

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<v Speaker 1>difficult job and he does it. He wants a decision

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<v Speaker 1>from this jury. That's his number one goal is for

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<v Speaker 1>justice in this thing, and jurors keep making headlines.

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<v Speaker 3>What's next, well, we shall see, but certainly we will

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<v Speaker 3>be on top of it. Any new developments, we will

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<v Speaker 3>bring them to you. But thank you all for listening

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<v Speaker 3>in and coming along with us for this very adventurous trial,

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<v Speaker 3>nonel like we've ever seen before. But we appreciate your

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<v Speaker 3>time with us, and we hope you all have a

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<v Speaker 3>wonderful day today.