1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is Wednesday, June eighteenth. Today is day 2 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:08,639 Speaker 1: twenty sixth of the sixth week of testimony in the 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: Diddy trial, and jurors keep making headlines. Welcome to this 4 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: episode of Amy and TJ. 5 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 2: We continue to be your. 6 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: One stop shop to keep you updated on everything going 7 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: on in the Diddy trial and Robes. I say, it's 8 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: to day twenty sixth of testimony. But lo and behold, 9 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: as we sit here, there will not be testimony today because. 10 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 2: Of a juror. 11 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 3: That's right, and it's not the juror that we thought 12 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 3: might be causing all of the headlines. Initially, we were 13 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 3: expecting that the judge may make his decision about Juror 14 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 3: number seven, that's the second juror that potentially could have 15 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 3: been removed from the jury because he was alleged to 16 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 3: have been discussing the case with a work colleague. And 17 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 3: so we didn't hear about that juror. Instead, we heard 18 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 3: about a sick juror. 19 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: Sick, like of all the things I was anticipating, today, 20 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: no testimony. They will not have a day of the 21 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: Diddy trial today because a juror is sick. Now I 22 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: immediately thought, well, wait, what the hell. 23 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 2: There's been so much. 24 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 1: Weird stuff going on, so I thought something might be 25 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 1: out something else strange. 26 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 2: But this is pretty serious. If anybody has had. 27 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:21,119 Speaker 3: Vertigo, yes I've experienced it before. You have incredibly dizzy, 28 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 3: you feel very nauseated. But the thing is, just because 29 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 3: you have vertigo symptoms doesn't mean you have vertico. I mean, 30 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 3: I'm imagining if you feel or if this juror felt 31 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 3: that ill, or that unwell and that dizzy and nauseated, 32 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 3: that juror probably needs to go to the doctor, maybe 33 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 3: even the emergency room to rule out other more serious conditions, 34 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 3: because that could be something much more significant. And so 35 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 3: because of that, the judge even said in court today, 36 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 3: I mean everyone was there, everyone showed up, they were 37 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 3: all waiting. They're going to have to inquire further about 38 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 3: the condition of this juror because is this a one 39 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 3: time event, is this a today only issue, or is 40 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 3: this something more serious going forward? Does this juror will 41 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 3: this juror need to be ultimately replaced? 42 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 4: Wow, for testimony to resume, we. 43 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: Are talking now robes about the potential for now three 44 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: of the twelve jurors who started in the Ditty trial 45 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 1: might end up off the jury and three alternates put 46 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: in that could change the demographics. It could change this 47 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: makeup drastically. 48 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 2: And who knows what. 49 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: We know one black guy has been replaced by a 50 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: white guy. We know that defense was fighting tooth and 51 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: nail trying to keep that black guy who was a 52 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: nineties hip hop fan on. 53 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 2: I wonder why. 54 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: But still this is just incredible to me now and 55 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: the juror to your point. And look, if anybody I 56 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: haven't had vertigo, I've been around people with it. 57 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 2: It's debilitating. 58 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 3: You can't function, No, you actually can't walk, you can't 59 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,239 Speaker 3: fund look straight. And again, for me, the nausea was 60 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 3: so bad. I've had it twice in my life and 61 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 3: the only thing that helped it was to take some dramamine, 62 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 3: which usually knocks you out and makes you tired. But again, 63 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 3: I really think unless this juror is someone who has 64 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 3: experienced this multiple time in their lives, is going to 65 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 3: have to do some further investigating as to what and 66 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 3: why they're actually going through this. 67 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 4: And we don't know anything about this. 68 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 3: Juror, male, female, black, white, I don't I didn't see 69 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 3: any details about specifically who this juror was they I. 70 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 2: Give a juror number right when they were talking about 71 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 2: on this one. 72 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 3: We know duror number seven is potentially hanging in the balance. 73 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 4: Durre number six is off. We don't know what number 74 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 4: juror this one is. 75 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: And again this is relevant for a number of reasons, 76 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 1: as we just explained, But the one we haven't talked 77 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: about yet is how big of a deal it is 78 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: because of timing throughout. We're in week six and I 79 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: think Robes, I go back to week two or some 80 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: very early on when the prosecution said, hey, we are 81 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: ahead of schedule. They've been talking about this for a while. 82 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: We are doing good. We're ahead of schedule. We're going 83 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: to be done this week. They told us last week 84 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: they thought they were going to be done today, even 85 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: that the prosecution was going to rest, if not today, 86 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: they said on Friday. So now where do we find ourselves? Robes, 87 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: no core today and it's June teenth tomorrow. They were 88 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: already scheduled to be off, So they're missing two full 89 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: days of testimony. What's that going to do to the timeline? 90 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: How's it going to push it? How much farther back? 91 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 3: Now? Well, we know that the state. It's not the 92 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 3: state the fence at the prosecution has three more witnesses 93 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 3: to call, and one of them is a doozy. 94 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 4: It's Brendan Paul. 95 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 3: In fact, all the photographers outside the courtroom this morning 96 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 3: got pictures of him coming into court. 97 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 4: He came in ready to testify. 98 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 3: This is probably the big last star ish witness for 99 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 3: the prosecution. He was Ditty's personal assistant up until he 100 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 3: was arrested. Correct or what was his timeline as to 101 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 3: when he was Ditty's assistant in up to last years? 102 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was reason. But this is the guy a 103 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:49,679 Speaker 2: lot of people labeled as the drug mule. 104 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 4: He's yes, that's a terrible aka the drug mule. 105 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 3: But anytime you read about him in any publication, they 106 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 3: refer to him as Ditty's drug mule, namely because he 107 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 3: was a rest did around the same time did he 108 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 3: was arrested after those raids on Ditty's mansions? And yes, 109 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 3: he had drug charges hanging over his head. Those have 110 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 3: all been removed. He is now not facing any charges 111 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 3: and he is now testifying for the prosecution. I'm sure 112 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 3: that is in exchange for testifying for the prosecution. 113 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: Yes, and he's gotten an immunity deal already. The judge 114 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 1: grannam immunity yesterday. But to your point, Ropes, everybody was 115 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 1: suited and booted. 116 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 2: They were ready to go this. 117 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: Morning, and this came kind of out of nowhere. So 118 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: I don't know how much time. I mean, they went 119 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: longer with a summary witness yesterday than they thought they 120 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: would go. How much will they go? How far would 121 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: they go with Brendan Paul. He seems to be a 122 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 1: very important witness. I can't imagine it going quickly. So 123 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: to our point about the timeline, now, we could be 124 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: going into next week that the prosecution is still putting 125 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: on its case and its witnesses. The defense wants two 126 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: to five days. They're predicting that's how long they will take. 127 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: So we were talking earlier this week that while the 128 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 1: jury's going to have this case by next week, now 129 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 1: it looks like that is not as likely of a scenario. 130 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 3: I have read that it is unlikely and certainly almost 131 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 3: impossible that the prosecution would wrap its case on Friday. 132 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 3: They say it is absolutely going to bleed over into 133 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 3: next week for all that they have to do and 134 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 3: think about it. 135 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 4: We talked about how dry. 136 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 3: But important, but maybe kind of boring. These summary witnesses 137 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 3: have been, so you don't want to end. 138 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 4: I wouldn't imagine. 139 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 3: Again, I'm no lawyer here, but I do understand wanting 140 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 3: to leave with an impression or at least something that 141 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 3: has the jury's thinking and remembering what they last heard 142 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 3: from the prosecution's case. And so someone like Brandon Paul 143 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 3: would be that person. So you want to make sure 144 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 3: you give the jury something to remember with one of 145 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 3: your final witnesses. 146 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: One im I say, I totally forgot the other thing. 147 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: They're out today unexpectedly, they're off tomorrow for Juneteenth, and 148 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: they're only doing a half day on Friday because one 149 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: of the jurors another jury issue. They're letting a juror 150 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 1: go to a graduate. I think, well, that makes sense, 151 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 1: that does, and that's not I'm actually really pleased to 152 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 1: see that a court, a federal court, will grant that. 153 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 2: I'm okay with that. 154 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: But so this is a week that we thought we 155 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: were going to see a lot of testimony. We're not 156 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: getting as much as we thought. 157 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 3: So the prosecution may go into Tuesday with that kind 158 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 3: of a schedule, and they have three more witnesses, and 159 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 3: one of them we know is going to be a 160 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 3: big deal for the prosecution. And because it's a big 161 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 3: deal for the prosecution, the defense obviously is going to 162 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 3: want to take their turn with brend and Paul as 163 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 3: well to try and undo any damage he may do 164 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 3: to Ditty's case or to Ditty's defense at least. So 165 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 3: I think most people think this, yeah, we and then 166 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 3: so we're pushing up against the fourth of July now 167 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 3: for the defense to rest. 168 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: Again on Friday with the half day still. We've seen 169 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: a lot of times they come into court and they're 170 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: arguing about something before court even gets started. 171 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 2: They've been one. 172 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: Day, they went two hours, yes, before the jury even 173 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: came in. 174 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 3: Now, the court did take care of business this morning 175 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 3: while they were trying to figure out what they were 176 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 3: going to do with the juror, and they were going 177 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 3: back and forth again while the jury wasn't there, taking 178 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 3: advantage of that to try and figure out whether or 179 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 3: not certain text messages were admissible. These text messages the 180 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 3: prosecution wanted in I believe it was an exchange between 181 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 3: Diddy and an alleged drug dealer. The defense did not 182 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 3: want those text exchanges in. But as we're on the 183 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 3: subject of text messages, we found out a lot and 184 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:24,239 Speaker 3: it wasn't necessarily even what the prosecution was putting forward 185 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 3: with the summary witness going over text, but it was 186 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 3: what the defense was able to do with that witness 187 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 3: and getting the federal agent to describe text messages that 188 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 3: the prosecution was skipping over was leaving out during the 189 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 3: testimony understandably. So when you heard what those text messages were, 190 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 3: this was. 191 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: All about, Okay, I keep going to the Washington Posts 192 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: because they called the testimony dry. 193 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 2: Was the line that they just try. 194 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: You have to do this is not the stuff you 195 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: see in movies and on TV. They only show you 196 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: the very exciting ima. 197 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 4: You can't handle the true thing. 198 00:08:56,160 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: Yes, this was more of a yes. On that date, 199 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: he traveled from here to there. As you can see 200 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: by the credit card statement. The invoice suggests that that's 201 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: what they've been listening to for a full day. 202 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 3: And they've been listening to baby oil and sex parties 203 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 3: and mail as scords. 204 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 4: So that is a big departure, big departure. 205 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: So the defense, I excuse me, the prosecution who put 206 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: this witness up has been trying to and has been 207 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: going through, yes, a lot of that meticulous stuff, but 208 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 1: also going through a lot of text message exchanges, again 209 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: trying to bolster the claim that Cassie and others were 210 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: not consensual partners in all this. Now, they used the 211 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: prosecution some really damning text messages that Cassie was writing 212 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: at the time. But the prosecution finishes up. The defense 213 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: gets up there and starts asking about other text messages 214 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: as well, and then ask the guy, Okay, you didn't 215 00:09:57,720 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: why didn't you mention this one when the prosecution was 216 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: talking to you. The point there being the defense got 217 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 1: up there and used this witness to highlight a bunch 218 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: of positive text messages in fact, that Cassie had sent 219 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: to Diddy. 220 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 2: We willes. I'm going to start here with what do 221 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 2: you want to do? The good ones are the bad ones? First? 222 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 4: Well, let's start. 223 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 3: I always like the bad news first and then the 224 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 3: good news at the end. But when we say bad 225 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 3: news for Ditty, good news for Ditty, So whatever side 226 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 3: of the venture on, I don't want to make it 227 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 3: seem as though we're saying one's good ones. 228 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 2: Using the ugly ones. 229 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,199 Speaker 3: We want to use the Let's start with the prosecution 230 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 3: the prosecution had their witness read aloud some of these 231 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 3: text exchanges that are very damning towards Diddy did He writes, Baby, 232 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 3: I can't say it enough. I'm so sorry. 233 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: Now this yes, very important. I think you're about to 234 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: say the same thing. This is all these we were 235 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 1: talking about. Here are around that time of that video 236 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: we've all seen now from the hotel in which he 237 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: was dragging, beating, kicking Cassie in the hallway of the hotel. 238 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:58,839 Speaker 1: But these are some of the exchanges they were they 239 00:10:58,880 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 1: shared about. 240 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 3: That, and this is fascinating because this is in the 241 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 3: aftermath of all of that. Yes, so, Cassie writes back, 242 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 3: I still have crazy bruising from Friday. I would be 243 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 3: a dummy to subject myself to that possibly happening again. 244 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 3: When you get fucked up the wrong way, you always 245 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 3: want to show me that you have the power and 246 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,559 Speaker 3: you knock me around. I'm not a rag doll. I'm 247 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 3: someone's child. 248 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 4: Wow. 249 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: That is uh, that's a tough one, and I don't know. 250 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: I say it's a tough one in that she recognized 251 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: she didn't need to be where she was exactly, and 252 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: she stayed and stayed. Look all reasons that Okay, please, 253 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: nobody take what we just said there as us in 254 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: some way blaming her, nothing like that. But she was aware, 255 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: and it's very very she laid out the way all 256 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: of us think when we saw. 257 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 2: That video, how could you do this? She should never 258 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 2: deal with him again. 259 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: He must be out of his mind. And this is 260 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: somebody's child. She is not your place. That we all 261 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: have the same and her line, I would be crazy 262 00:11:58,080 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: to subject myself to. 263 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 3: That again, and I and honestly that it makes you feel. 264 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 3: It's very relatable because she's acknowledging it. She knows it 265 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,839 Speaker 3: deep down, she knows that it's wrong. She knows that 266 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 3: she shouldn't continue to put herself in his. 267 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 4: Path basically, so to speak. 268 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 3: But she loves him, or she needs him, or she 269 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 3: felt like she was financially. 270 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 1: There you go, that's the prost without him coursed co worst. 271 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 3: Yes, So Cassie also texted him this around the same time. 272 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 3: Nothing good comes out of freak offs anymore. You treat 273 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 3: me like Ike Turner's. 274 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: Again, another damning message that they went through exactly. 275 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 3: And then the final fairly damning text that she wrote 276 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 3: to Ditty And we all know about this because we've 277 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 3: heard testimony around this big movie premiere that she had 278 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 3: in the days following the beating that we saw. 279 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 4: On that video. 280 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 3: She writes to Ditty, I have a premiere Monday for 281 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 3: the biggest thing I have ever done in my life. 282 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 4: I have a black and a fat lip. 283 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 3: You are sick for thinking it's okay to do what 284 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 3: you have done. 285 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: To read her words are chilling in the moment. These 286 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: text messages are i mean, ten plus years old. Yeah, 287 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: that's just chilling to you know what you hear in 288 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: these At least she sounds calm, She seems reasonable, she 289 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: seems clear about what's happening and what she needs to do. 290 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so you hear that. The jury's thinking, wow, okay, 291 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 3: the prosecution is bolstering its case. I'm hearing from Cassie 292 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 3: from ten years ago to your point where this isn't 293 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 3: her remembering it or reflecting on it. This was her 294 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 3: in the moment, And they're damning. But then the defense says, hey, 295 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 3: I think you missed a few texts, and has the 296 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,559 Speaker 3: witness read texts that sound very different. 297 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: All this was about is to from the prosecution side, 298 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: you're trying to convince the jury like, here is all 299 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: of it evidence that he paid for this stuff and 300 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: she was being manipulated by him. The defense's job is 301 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 1: to show that she's a willing participant in all of this. 302 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 1: And so yeah, they go through the text message that 303 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: prove one thing. I don't know, Rose, what is it 304 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: supposed to prove this other side these other text message 305 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: it suggests a different relationship than the one we've been hearing. 306 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 4: So much about this. 307 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 3: So let's read them, and you the listener, can decide. 308 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 3: But it is confusing, and I can't imagine being a 309 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 3: juror hearing both of these types of text messages saying 310 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 3: very different things. So in one of the texts, Cassie 311 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 3: writes to Diditty, I love you so much. You make 312 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 3: me a better woman, daughter, sister. 313 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: And keep in mind, folks, these are not like in 314 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: the first couple of weeks or months that they were 315 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: full in freak off mode. 316 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 2: When these texts are. 317 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 3: Being well, speaking of one of the other texts, she wrote, 318 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 3: I'm always ready for a freak off again. 319 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: The proscius will say she was only doing that to 320 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: make him happy, and she's only saying that stuff because this. 321 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 2: Is what he wanted. 322 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 3: Then she texts, I'll be the nastiest freak bitch again. 323 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 2: These are for the defense. 324 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: They will say, see, look she's willing prosecution. Same argument, 325 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: She's just trying to make them happy. 326 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 3: Next text, I bought the sexiest outfit for later. Okay, 327 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 3: I've been really horny. And then she even references role playing, 328 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 3: where she texts Ditty this the game starts at ten pm. 329 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 4: No texting after this. 330 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 3: I am not Cassie and you are not Sean. 331 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 2: They were into some different stuff. 332 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 3: Okay, but you just said they were into they different stuff, 333 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 3: and so when you say they are into different stuff, 334 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 3: it really does raise a question about what her level 335 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 3: of willing participation was. From those texts, it certainly sounds 336 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 3: like whether she was trying to make him happy or not, 337 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 3: she certainly was letting him know that she was into it. 338 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 3: So you could argue that Diddy didn't know she was 339 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 3: just saying those things to make him happy. He could 340 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 3: reasonably read those texts and think she was genuinely into it. 341 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 4: How was he supposed to know? 342 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: I think I asked you this question yesterday or the 343 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: day before, and we've been talking so many conversations about 344 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: this and the complexity of this case, and I think 345 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: complexity of relationships. But okay, is it still possible that 346 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: she could have genuinely meant every word she read or 347 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: every word you read in those text messages? She wants 348 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: to be nasty, got a nice outfit, and she's genuinely excited. Sure, 349 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: but does that mean she is disqualified from being a 350 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: victim on later occasions? Right, and she's not. But for 351 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: a juror deciding whether or not to put a man 352 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: in prison for the rest of his life, that's a 353 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: tough question they got to deal with. 354 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 4: It is tough. 355 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 3: And when we were discussing this off, Mike, you mentioned 356 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 3: can someone have consensual sex with someone to twenty times 357 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 3: and the twenty first time it'd be rape? And the 358 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 3: answer is yes, So that is also something to consider. 359 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 3: I don't envy the jury with this. I think this 360 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 3: is an incredibly, as you said, complicated, complex, confusing, even 361 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 3: situation where it's hard to know because if you take 362 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 3: her for her word when she says I'm somebody's daughter, 363 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 3: you treat me like I turn her. How do you 364 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 3: then not also take her at her word when she 365 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 3: writes I'm ready for a freak off. 366 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: The prosecution argument is that she was doing that to 367 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:42,360 Speaker 1: make him happy, is their argument throughout. It's how many 368 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: alternates are they speaking? 369 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 3: I think we said we believe there were six. They've 370 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 3: got enough, do they? 371 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: Let's hope, because they could literally by this time next 372 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: week could be down three the down one now, a 373 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 1: second one's on the fence, a third one might be 374 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: in the hospital by this time. 375 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, in a couple of days. 376 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 3: The judge did not mention at all this Juror number seven, 377 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 3: did he? Because he was going to address that. But 378 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 3: obviously this new drama, this breaking news of this sick 379 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 3: juror now probably usurped anything he was considering ruling on. 380 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 2: Wait, what happened to you? 381 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 1: Remember he said he was going to address it at 382 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: the end of the day yesterday. We're expecting him to 383 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: address it this morning. What is going on with Juror 384 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 1: number seven? He keeps kind of kicking the can. 385 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 3: Well, he kicked the can for Juror number six. He 386 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 3: let that go on for a couple of days. Maybe 387 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 3: he was taking time to consider that's fair and weighing 388 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 3: what each side has said. 389 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 4: I don't even do you know if the. 390 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 3: Prosecution how they feel on this or the defense what 391 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 3: their take is on juror number seven. 392 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: I haven't heard who's fighting to possibly keep them. 393 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 3: Because it could work against both of their cases. We 394 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 3: don't know what he said, and I don't know if 395 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 3: the judge has access to what because one would have 396 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 3: to assume that whoever he told either told the court 397 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 3: or he told someone who told someone and it got 398 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 3: to the court that way. But if they were alerted 399 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 3: that he was discussing it, the question would be in 400 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,199 Speaker 3: what vain was he discussing it? Was he saying he 401 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 3: was this or that? And so that could put a 402 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 3: spotlight on where that juror was thinking, and that could 403 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 3: cause problems. So I don't know if the defense or 404 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 3: the prosecution how they feel about this juror. 405 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: You know, that's right, he should take all the time. 406 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: He can't after all this this trial. Who knows how 407 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: many millions of dollars has cost taxpayers on this to 408 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: have to start it over. You don't want to mistrial, 409 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:33,199 Speaker 1: You don't want to run out of jurors, and you 410 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: don't actually you also don't want to set up something 411 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: for an easy appeal. So the judge has a difficult 412 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 1: job for By all accounts, it seems like he's doing 413 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: a good job throughout this case, but he has a 414 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: difficult job and he does it. He wants a decision 415 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: from this jury. That's his number one goal is for 416 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 1: justice in this thing, and jurors keep making headlines. 417 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 3: What's next, well, we shall see, but certainly we will 418 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,400 Speaker 3: be on top of it. Any new developments, we will 419 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 3: bring them to you. But thank you all for listening 420 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 3: in and coming along with us for this very adventurous trial, 421 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 3: nonel like we've ever seen before. But we appreciate your 422 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 3: time with us, and we hope you all have a 423 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 3: wonderful day today.