Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of I Heart Radio
Speaker 1: and Grim and Mild from Aaron Minky. Listener discretion is advised.
Speaker 1: Imagine when you die you become a ghost, and then
Speaker 1: entertain the idea that you may haunt your family home,
Speaker 1: a place so familiar you could close your eyes and
Speaker 1: glide your hand on the walls and find your way
Speaker 1: from place to place, completely on instinct and memory. According
Speaker 1: to what we've always thought, if someone else passed who
Speaker 1: was attached to that home, they may also somehow end
Speaker 1: up haunting it, and you would know they were there
Speaker 1: right Their presence would be as indelible as the walls
Speaker 1: you knew so well and the memories you created within them.
Speaker 1: What if that person was your mother or your daughter,
Speaker 1: Surely you would together haunt your family home, completely aware
Speaker 1: of the other, staying in the space for whatever reason
Speaker 1: kept you but together. But what if that isn't the case.
Speaker 1: What if you could go decades, if not more, haunting
Speaker 1: the same place with someone you knew and loved incredibly
Speaker 1: in day to day life, but not knowing they were there.
Speaker 1: You would tread the same steps, see the same living folks,
Speaker 1: watch the same sunsets from the same windows, but think
Speaker 1: you were alone. I never considered this a possibility in
Speaker 1: all my experiences with the spirit world, and yet our
Speaker 1: next location had me questioning everything I thought I knew.
Speaker 1: Come with me to Little Rock, Arkansas. As we explore
Speaker 1: the Fee House. I'm Amy Brunie, and this is haunted road.
Speaker 1: Today the Fee House sits empty, its owners living in
Speaker 1: the property's carriage house while they renovate the historic home
Speaker 1: in Little Rock, Arkansas. But put more accurately, the home,
Speaker 1: which is sat empty for more than two decades, is
Speaker 1: only empty of living people. Evidence of the dead fills
Speaker 1: the halls of the Fee House. Unexplained noises and disembodied
Speaker 1: footsteps come from afar. Voices echo from empty rooms saying
Speaker 1: hello and welcome in some places and others the messages
Speaker 1: are darker. He's in the attic, investigators have heard others
Speaker 1: have picked up voices saying help us, we are lost.
Speaker 1: But who is lost and how did they get there?
Speaker 1: The answer could very well be in the fee Houses
Speaker 1: one thirty year history, which includes public scandal, traumatic injuries
Speaker 1: and deaths, an allegedly cursed family, and nowadays, reports of
Speaker 1: faces appearing in the windows of a home where no
Speaker 1: one lives. It wasn't always this way. Well, the Fee
Speaker 1: House wasn't always haunted as far as we know, but
Speaker 1: it has, it seems, always had its share of strange
Speaker 1: and unusual stories. Built in eighteen ninety, the Fee House
Speaker 1: is a Victorian style home in the Governor's Mansion district
Speaker 1: of Little Rock, what was in its day the most
Speaker 1: fashionable and desirable part of town to live in. From
Speaker 1: the eighteen eighties to the nineteen twenties, the city's most
Speaker 1: affluent residents built homes in the neighborhood. Though the house
Speaker 1: is known today as the Fee House, it was actually
Speaker 1: built for the Hayfer family, though not much is known
Speaker 1: about those owners or the owners who followed immediately after.
Speaker 1: The Fee House is a two story Victorian plus an attic.
Speaker 1: It has six bedrooms and three bathrooms, with nearly four
Speaker 1: thousand square feet inside, including a kitchen, library, parlor, and
Speaker 1: a great foyer with a large open staircase with a
Speaker 1: carved wooden banister wrapping around a landing that looks down
Speaker 1: into the first floor. The Fees were actually the third
Speaker 1: family to own the building, purchasing the house in nineteen
Speaker 1: o seven. At the time they moved into the home
Speaker 1: at nineteen hundred Broadway Street in Little Rock. They had
Speaker 1: already seen their fair share of scandal. Frank Ffee bought
Speaker 1: the Fee House for himself, his wife, Mamie, whose real
Speaker 1: name was Mary Rose, and their three children, five year
Speaker 1: old Frank Jr. Three year old Catherine, and infant son Edward.
Speaker 1: Frank was a prominent businessman in Little Rock who was
Speaker 1: a thirty second degree Mason and a member of many
Speaker 1: elite social clubs in the city. Fee's father was a
Speaker 1: Civil War soldier and his mother was the granddaughter of
Speaker 1: a famed Revolutionary War general. Frank showed talent at an
Speaker 1: early age, graduating from high school at just thirteen and
Speaker 1: from Oberlin College at eighteen, then being admitted to the
Speaker 1: bar at only twenty one years old. He quickly made
Speaker 1: a fortune in the lumber industry, parlaying his love of
Speaker 1: nature into work in forestry and then in the manufacture
Speaker 1: of hardwood lumber, eventually becoming president of the Phee Creighton
Speaker 1: Lumber Company. Frank had been married to Mamie for seven
Speaker 1: years when they moved into what became known as the
Speaker 1: Fee House, but he had been married previously. Frank and
Speaker 1: his first wife, Nellie, eloped in October eighteen eighty two
Speaker 1: when her parents disapproved of the match, saying that at eighteen,
Speaker 1: she was too young to get married. The pair had
Speaker 1: at least two children, Laura was born in eighteen eighty
Speaker 1: four and Herbert was born in eighteen eighty eight, though
Speaker 1: some sources say they had at least one, if not two,
Speaker 1: more daughters. Frank became close to Mamie Cone while he
Speaker 1: was still married to Nellie and while Mamie was married
Speaker 1: to a lumber merchant in Chicago. Nellie filed for divorce
Speaker 1: in eighteen ninety nine, receiving what the Fort Wayne News
Speaker 1: described at the time as heavy alimony and the custody
Speaker 1: of her children. Mamie and her husband also divorced at
Speaker 1: the same time. That article, published in April nineteen hundred
Speaker 1: on the occasion of Frank and Mamie's wedding, which immediately
Speaker 1: followed their divorce from their previous spouses, noted that the news,
Speaker 1: although of a sensational character, will not surprise Fort Wayne's
Speaker 1: social circles. Despite these salasious for the time gossip, the
Speaker 1: Fees enjoyed active prominent roles in society while living in Ohio,
Speaker 1: then in Texas, and finally in Little Rock. Contemporary newspaper
Speaker 1: reports show them hosting an attending various social events. A
Speaker 1: fourth birthday party for Edward in June nineteen ten included
Speaker 1: fifty children as guests. According to the Daily Arkansas Gazette,
Speaker 1: the lawn was beautifully arranged, games were played, and a
Speaker 1: delicious birthday luncheon was served in the late afternoon, when
Speaker 1: a large frosted birthday cake was cut. The paper noted
Speaker 1: that the lawn of the Fee residence nine hundred Broadway
Speaker 1: is an ideal spot for an entertainment of this nature.
Speaker 1: Numerous garden swings, the ice cream cone vendor, and dainty
Speaker 1: lunches and paper napkins will add to the enjoyment of
Speaker 1: the little guests. In January nineteen twelve, Frank and Maymie
Speaker 1: hosted a dinner party where there were six tables and
Speaker 1: guests would change tables as each course was presented. In
Speaker 1: nine December, the family presented a Christmas church play called
Speaker 1: Castle Christmas, which The Arkansas Democrat described as a most
Speaker 1: charming affair. The three feet children who appeared in it
Speaker 1: played the King of Christmas a bottle of ink. The
Speaker 1: Spirit of Christmas, and one half of a pair of mittens, respectively.
Speaker 1: During this time Frank and may you welcome two more children,
Speaker 1: Thomas born in nineteen ten and Patricia born in nineteen fifteen.
Speaker 1: According to the website Abandoned Arkansas, there were rumors that
Speaker 1: Thomas may have been fathered by a caretaker and groundskeeper
Speaker 1: for the Fees, who lived in the property's carriage house.
Speaker 1: As the site describes, Thomas was the only child of
Speaker 1: the five five children, whose room wasn't a large upstairs bedroom,
Speaker 1: but was instead behind the library on the sun porch.
Speaker 1: Even more telling was that he was sent to California
Speaker 1: to live prior to enrolling in high school, where he
Speaker 1: remained after graduation and into adulthood. More unusual circumstances surrounded
Speaker 1: the Fee family, especially when it came to death and loss.
Speaker 1: Frank Sr. Was only sixty two when he died of
Speaker 1: a heart attack in Battle Creek, Michigan, in January nine.
Speaker 1: His death was announced in an obituary in the Arkansas
Speaker 1: Democrat titled Nationally known Lumberman Dies, and Frank's body was
Speaker 1: brought to the Fee house before his burial. Eight years later,
Speaker 1: Mamie died at age fifty eight, from injuries sustained in
Speaker 1: a horrific accident. She was drying her hair over the
Speaker 1: stove one night when her night gown caught fire. A
Speaker 1: maid attempted to put the flames out with a blanket,
Speaker 1: but Mamie was badly burned. An account from her granddaughter
Speaker 1: Patricia describes what followed Mamie's injury. According to her granddaughter
Speaker 1: Patricia Tucker, after being burned, Mamie would tell no one.
Speaker 1: Edward was to be married at that time, and she
Speaker 1: did not want to spoil his marriage plans, so she
Speaker 1: kept her plight to herself. After the wedding, she got
Speaker 1: so bad she did go to a hospital for the burns,
Speaker 1: but it was too late. From these injuries, she died.
Speaker 1: Though this account came from a family member, the dates
Speaker 1: don't exactly line up. Edward married Geraldine Miller in May,
Speaker 1: over a year before Mamie's death. Another piece of Patricia's account, though,
Speaker 1: might explain why Mamie was hesitant to seek medical care.
Speaker 1: The granddaughter went on to explain she was a good
Speaker 1: Christian scientist. Many of the time she would call someone
Speaker 1: to pray that I would get well. Maybe that too
Speaker 1: was a reason she didn't go to the hospital sooner.
Speaker 1: Christian Science or the Church of Christ Scientists, is a
Speaker 1: belief system founded in eighteen seventy nine in Boston. At
Speaker 1: the time of Mamie's death, just about half a century later,
Speaker 1: it was the fastest growing religion, with nearly two hundred
Speaker 1: seventy thousand members. One of the religion's core tenants is
Speaker 1: that malady and disease should be treated through prayer, not
Speaker 1: through medicine. Whatever her reasons for not immediately seeking treatment
Speaker 1: for her burns, maybe passed away from her injuries sustained
Speaker 1: in the accident. Less than a year later, in October
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty two, twenty eight year old Catherine died after
Speaker 1: drinking poison in the Fee House. Though she drank poison
Speaker 1: acid to be precise, Catherine's death was ruled accidental, is
Speaker 1: it was believed that she unintentionally drank poison, believing that
Speaker 1: she was picking up a bottle of headache medicine. In
Speaker 1: her obituary in the Arkansaga Sette, it's noted that physicians
Speaker 1: said she died from effects of an acid, which relatives
Speaker 1: she evidently picked up by mistake in her haste to
Speaker 1: obtain relief from the headache. Patricia was nine at the
Speaker 1: time of her mother's death, and she remembers what happened
Speaker 1: that day very differently. According to Abandoned Arkansas, she remembers
Speaker 1: her mother and uncle's arguing about who was to blame
Speaker 1: for the recent death of their mother. Catherine blamed her
Speaker 1: brother and claimed he had lost the faith. In the
Speaker 1: midst of this argument, Catherine deliberately went upstairs and found
Speaker 1: the acid and drank it intentionally as she was standing
Speaker 1: above the family on the staircase, causing her almost immediate
Speaker 1: and horrific death. Though the family immediately drove her to
Speaker 1: the hospital after seeing her drink the poison, she died
Speaker 1: within ten minutes of arrival. A decade later, another of
Speaker 1: the feed children would meet an untimely end. In October
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty, six year old Edward died in a plane
Speaker 1: crash in Dallas, Texas during his Army service. The bomber
Speaker 1: in which he and five other service members were flying.
Speaker 1: According to the St. Louis Star in Times, struck a
Speaker 1: radio station and Tenna guy wire. Edward's cause of death
Speaker 1: was Liz did As crushed in an aeroplane wreck. The
Speaker 1: Fee family sold the home in nineteen thirty nine or
Speaker 1: nineteen forty to Audrea Hart, a widow who lived there
Speaker 1: with her two widowed sisters and their mother, Virginia Frehley,
Speaker 1: who passed away in the home in May nineteen sixty
Speaker 1: six at age one two. Audrea lived in the home
Speaker 1: until her death in nine but she was also attached
Speaker 1: to a terrible accident in the home. According to Abandoned Arkansas,
Speaker 1: Audria had an extremely unlucky visitor while in the home.
Speaker 1: The woman somehow fell over backward from the top staircase
Speaker 1: landing and landed in the foyer, breaking her neck and
Speaker 1: dying instantly. This account, though isn't substantiated by other sources.
Speaker 1: The Fee House sat abandoned and decaying from Audrea's death
Speaker 1: until the current owners, Drew and Mark, purchased it in
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. They currently live in the carriage house while
Speaker 1: they renovate the main house, which they intend to turn
Speaker 1: into a nonprofit that provides accommodations for post operative transplant
Speaker 1: patients while they received care from a nearby hospital when
Speaker 1: Drew and Mark bought the house, though they didn't know
Speaker 1: it was haunted and the Fee House you might not
Speaker 1: be surprised to learn is very haunted. The pair began
Speaker 1: to suspect something paranormal was happening in the home when
Speaker 1: they started sensing unusual happenings. They would hear unexplained sounds
Speaker 1: like boxes being dropped in other rooms and feeling the
Speaker 1: presence of a man around the house and unsurprisingly, the
Speaker 1: presence of a woman on the stairs. Doors on the
Speaker 1: second floor of the house are said to move on
Speaker 1: their own, often shutting themselves when left open. Now, paranormal
Speaker 1: researchers investigate the space, sometimes offering ghost tours. Investigators have
Speaker 1: captured e vps of someone saying welcome in the house
Speaker 1: and of an unseen man in the library saying I'm
Speaker 1: right behind you. One ghost hunter, Tyra Clark of the
Speaker 1: Arkansas X Files, claims to have seen a child's ghost
Speaker 1: by the house's main staircase, which identified itself to her
Speaker 1: as Edward Fee. She has also picked up voices saying
Speaker 1: he's in the attic and help us we are lost.
Speaker 1: Another investig itater claims to have heard mysterious footsteps in
Speaker 1: the house, while two others reported feeling extremely short of
Speaker 1: breath in the attic as well. As experiencing cold sensations,
Speaker 1: lack of feeling in their legs, and being touched or
Speaker 1: pinched by something unseen. To dive deeper into these hauntings,
Speaker 1: I thought it best to talk to one of the
Speaker 1: owners himself. Drew counsel Short is joining us next and
Speaker 1: he's going to tell us all about the wild experiences
Speaker 1: he's had since purchasing the fee House and why the
Speaker 1: heck he wanted to buy a Rundown haunted house anyway,
Speaker 1: that is coming up after the break. I am sitting
Speaker 1: here with none other than Drew counsel Short, who is
Speaker 1: the owner of the Fee House and has had many
Speaker 1: an experience, and figured, hey, you are probably the best
Speaker 1: person to speak with about what goes on in the
Speaker 1: house now. So thank you for joining me. Sure, thanks
Speaker 1: for having me. It's nice to hear your voice again.
Speaker 1: You know. We spent multiple days at the house filming
Speaker 1: Kindred Spirits Gosh last summer, and it was remarkably hot.
Speaker 1: I remember being very sweaty, very much. So, yeah, I
Speaker 1: watched that episode. We're kind of chatting about this. Before
Speaker 1: I watched that episode, I'm always like, oh gosh, this
Speaker 1: was not my finest moment. On television. But it was
Speaker 1: a really cool investigation, so that was worth it. There
Speaker 1: was one moment where I was like, wow, the hair
Speaker 1: is like social with sweat stuck to my forehead, and
Speaker 1: it's like, that is a bad shot. I feel like
Speaker 1: I've learned that whenever we are shooting television, it's either
Speaker 1: remarkably hot or like sub zero temperatures. It can never
Speaker 1: just be like a comfortable sixty eight degree day. It's like,
Speaker 1: it never is. It's always one of it has to
Speaker 1: be drastic to be fair. I literally told the production
Speaker 1: manager and everything, it's like, do not send them here
Speaker 1: in June and July or August because there is no
Speaker 1: air conditioning. And what were they there, Like, hey, we're
Speaker 1: gonna send them in the dead heat of summer. They
Speaker 1: don't actually care about us. It's fine, It's totally fine.
Speaker 1: So I love the Fee House because it's not like
Speaker 1: a super well known location, but the history, and I
Speaker 1: think it's becoming more well known for sure. The history
Speaker 1: is so fascinating to me. And we've been through that already,
Speaker 1: so I need to ask you, like why did you
Speaker 1: buy that house? So we came here because my husband's
Speaker 1: family is from this area, and so I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, we lived in Nashville, Tennessee at the time,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I could live in an area
Speaker 1: like this, you know where the house is located in
Speaker 1: the historic Governor's Mansion area. And then I saw this
Speaker 1: house and the yard was not mode, the trees were
Speaker 1: not trimmed. It was a disaster of a house. And
Speaker 1: we pulled in the driveway because I saw the first
Speaker 1: sales sign. We pulled in the driveway and It's like,
Speaker 1: I will move to a little rock, Arkansas if I
Speaker 1: can have this house. And so I had not been inside.
Speaker 1: I had no idea what the inside looked like. I
Speaker 1: had no idea of what the carriage house inside of
Speaker 1: that looked like. So he was like really, and I
Speaker 1: was like yes, really. So we came back like a
Speaker 1: week later to meet with a real estate agent and
Speaker 1: to tour the house. And we toured like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: like fifteen eighteen houses in like two days, and this
Speaker 1: was the last house that we stopped at, although this
Speaker 1: was the first house I wanted to see, So we
Speaker 1: thought that this one was like almost like I was
Speaker 1: being deterred from this house, and I was like, now
Speaker 1: this is the one I want. When I went inside,
Speaker 1: it just felt like the home kind of gets you
Speaker 1: a hug and like an embrace and like a warm welcome, like, oh,
Speaker 1: your home, you know that kind of feeling. And so
Speaker 1: I walked in it and that's what I felt, and
Speaker 1: I was like, this is it, this is the one
Speaker 1: I want now. Mind you, the house was completely filled
Speaker 1: with junk. I mean, like sixty yards of debris is
Speaker 1: what came out of that house. As you saw. There's
Speaker 1: still the one room upstairs that's got a lot just
Speaker 1: because that floor is not stable and we haven't gotten
Speaker 1: to get all that taken care of yet. But other
Speaker 1: than that, the house has obviously cleaned out, and it
Speaker 1: just felt like home to me. You know. I hear
Speaker 1: that a lot from people who buy houses like that,
Speaker 1: like they'll go in and it doesn't matter what kind
Speaker 1: of shape it's in. You know what deters many other
Speaker 1: people kind of attracts them, like it's almost like you
Speaker 1: are there to save it. There's just some reason it's faded.
Speaker 1: You're supposed to be there and nothing can take that
Speaker 1: away at that point. And so I think that's interesting.
Speaker 1: You saw so many houses before, and I feel that
Speaker 1: it is a gorgeous, gorgeous home, and I totally get that.
Speaker 1: I feel like, at some point that's going to happen
Speaker 1: to me. Now, when did you find out that it
Speaker 1: was haunted? Though? So I had this recurring dream after
Speaker 1: we had put the offer in on the house, we
Speaker 1: went back to Tennessee to wrap up the sale of
Speaker 1: our house, so on and so forth, and I kept
Speaker 1: having this reoccurring dream about the stairwell in the house
Speaker 1: and there was this woman that was like on the stairwell.
Speaker 1: And in the dream, I was in the upstairs bedroom,
Speaker 1: which has made me his master bedroom, which is the
Speaker 1: front room once you get up the stairs. And when
Speaker 1: I was in that room and I was doing something
Speaker 1: like making the bed or I can't even remembering the
Speaker 1: dream what I was doing. But when I was up
Speaker 1: there doing this, I kept seeing this woman on the
Speaker 1: stairwell and I was like, why is she looking at me?
Speaker 1: And you know how the stairwell is like the banisters,
Speaker 1: like they're short, but like you can kind of like
Speaker 1: see from like when you come up the stairwell and
Speaker 1: you get to the first landing and then you start
Speaker 1: up the longer section of the stairwell, and she was
Speaker 1: on there and she was looking at me in that
Speaker 1: room and I was like, why is she staring at me?
Speaker 1: This is so creepy. And I had this dream like
Speaker 1: seven or eight times, and it's like something is going
Speaker 1: on in this house and I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: I can tell you what it is because at the
Speaker 1: time I had not spent much time in the house
Speaker 1: other than just walking into it to see it, you know,
Speaker 1: And so I had this dream. I was like, something
Speaker 1: is going on. What we closed on it? So I
Speaker 1: first of two thousand nineteen, on July was when I
Speaker 1: was seeing pictures of the family from a previous ownerhood
Speaker 1: of it. And when I saw the picture of one
Speaker 1: of the daughters, I was like, those are the eyes
Speaker 1: that I remember seeing dream And she was like, well,
Speaker 1: what dream? And so I told her about it, and
Speaker 1: I was like, has anything weird or strange or you know,
Speaker 1: happened to you in the house when you lived there?
Speaker 1: So she was like, well, I wasn't gonna say anything,
Speaker 1: but there was this one time and she they had
Speaker 1: one like very small encounter, which I don't think that
Speaker 1: they really processed or were really thinking about it, but
Speaker 1: they most certainly didn't want to scare me. But I
Speaker 1: was like, I already know something is here anyway, there's
Speaker 1: something going on. I mean, it bothered me, but it
Speaker 1: didn't really bother me. I just didn't know the entire
Speaker 1: history of the house until I really started digging in
Speaker 1: to some of the research that she had already done. Right, So, yeah,
Speaker 1: the stairwell plays an integral part of the history of
Speaker 1: that house. So that's so interesting. And I firmly believe
Speaker 1: in the idea that sometimes we are visited in our dreams,
Speaker 1: because like I've had even relatives up here in my
Speaker 1: dreams that have passed, and there's always something different about
Speaker 1: those dreams. I always have that moment where I'm like,
Speaker 1: I know I'm being visited by someone who was passed away.
Speaker 1: And so she had a message for you, apparently, So
Speaker 1: did that make you nervous at all? The idea of
Speaker 1: buying a haunted house like that? So I'll tell you
Speaker 1: after I met with the previous owner and learned some
Speaker 1: more in the history. Like every time I walked into
Speaker 1: the house and saw that something had been moved, I
Speaker 1: would always run to my husband and like, baby, did
Speaker 1: you move this? And like, yes, I moved it. And
Speaker 1: just making sure. So like I think I was probably
Speaker 1: more on edge about everything than I previously was even
Speaker 1: before like knowing everything. I just knew something was going
Speaker 1: on in there, but it didn't really like sink in
Speaker 1: until I was like, oh my goodness, did he move this?
Speaker 1: Did she moved this? Like? Who moved this? So that's
Speaker 1: when I started to get a little bit nervous until
Speaker 1: I could kind of figure out what was what, who
Speaker 1: was what, and like really kind of dig into like
Speaker 1: investigating it myself. Right, I do encounter um a lot
Speaker 1: of people like that when I'm investigating locations who are
Speaker 1: kind of on red alert because things have happened, and
Speaker 1: then they start like, you know, analyzing everything. So you've
Speaker 1: had the dream, you're now looking firmly for paranoral activity.
Speaker 1: What was like your next major experience in the house.
Speaker 1: So the next major experience was ginger Back, who you
Speaker 1: got to me? She had reached out to me to
Speaker 1: write an article about the house for Abandoned Arkansas. So
Speaker 1: she was like, can I come over and like, you know,
Speaker 1: you can give me a tour and I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: some photos and write this article. And I was like
Speaker 1: absolute len So she came over and that was Septimber
Speaker 1: of two thousand nineteen, and we'll walk them through the
Speaker 1: house and she was taking pictures of everything, and she
Speaker 1: texts me later that day and said, hey, not one
Speaker 1: of my pictures that I took came out. She's like,
Speaker 1: it's like someone has just taken their hand to a
Speaker 1: painting and smeared it. Yeah, that's bizarre. She took like
Speaker 1: a hundred ptures. Yeah, very bizarre. That's a lot of pictures.
Speaker 1: And it was like an hour and a half that
Speaker 1: we spent in there. So I was like, that's really
Speaker 1: strange because I took like five pictures in there that day.
Speaker 1: So I went back and look at those five pictures
Speaker 1: and share enough, every single one of mine were blurring.
Speaker 1: That's weird. So that's really interesting, Like it could be
Speaker 1: you know, equipment issues with one, but when you have
Speaker 1: both doing the exact same thing, that seems very strange.
Speaker 1: And so what's kind of just like the regular going on?
Speaker 1: What happens there on a regular basis? Would you say,
Speaker 1: after we filmed, you guys came and filmed Kindred Spirits.
Speaker 1: Two months later, Mark and I were out in the
Speaker 1: yard and we have all the trumpet vine that grows
Speaker 1: like really close to the house, and so the only
Speaker 1: way to get rid of this is to like burn
Speaker 1: it with like a torch. So we were out there
Speaker 1: and we were burning the trumpet vine, and we were
Speaker 1: being super cautious because I was like, we have to
Speaker 1: be because the house is all wood and it's a
Speaker 1: tinder box and if it catches fire, it's just gonna
Speaker 1: go up in flames. So we're out there and we're
Speaker 1: burning this trumpet line. I've got the hose. I'm spraying
Speaker 1: like where he's burned, to like make sure that we're
Speaker 1: not setting the house on fire that day. And what
Speaker 1: did we do? Yes, we did. And so this lady
Speaker 1: pulls up and she says, hey, your house is smoking.
Speaker 1: And the torch is so loud that I'm like, what
Speaker 1: is she saying? Like I can't hear her? And so
Speaker 1: I told my husband was like, Mark, turned that off,
Speaker 1: and so he turns it off and I said, what
Speaker 1: did you say? And she said your house is smoking?
Speaker 1: And I turned around and sure enough, there's smoke coming
Speaker 1: from the house. I said, maybe go inside and see
Speaker 1: if it's on fire. And he runs out and he's like, yes,
Speaker 1: it's on fire. So what do I do. I run
Speaker 1: in there with the garden hose. It was just like
Speaker 1: one wall between the front parlor and the dining room.
Speaker 1: That's where the flames were. So I ripped into the wall.
Speaker 1: Like we're like being like heroic fireman at this point,
Speaker 1: and we're like ripping dry wall off the wall and
Speaker 1: trim off the wall so I can get in there
Speaker 1: and fight the fire with my garden hose. So I'm
Speaker 1: doing all that, the fireman are coming. There's too much smoke.
Speaker 1: I can't stay in there any longer because at the time,
Speaker 1: I'm still in kidney failure and I've been stand there anymore.
Speaker 1: So I wedge the hose in the wall, and the
Speaker 1: fireman come in and like within seconds they put it out.
Speaker 1: So there's not a lot of damage from the fire,
Speaker 1: but there is damage. So after that is when obviously
Speaker 1: activity really really picked up. I think that that probably
Speaker 1: just unsettled everything, like everything had kind of did to
Speaker 1: calm down, you know, all the spirits, as you say,
Speaker 1: we're like in this place of learning how to communicate
Speaker 1: with each other through s as people here on earth,
Speaker 1: and so since then it's just been crazy. It's almost
Speaker 1: like the fire made them revert back to like not
Speaker 1: wanting to communicate again or something. So I'm not quite
Speaker 1: sure if that has to do with like Mamie's gown
Speaker 1: catching on fire, or if that kind of like made
Speaker 1: them relive what happened to them. They need to probably
Speaker 1: dig into that more and see if I can get
Speaker 1: some responses from them. So, for those that don't know,
Speaker 1: a spirit box is a device that sweeps radio waves
Speaker 1: and creates white noise, and we believe that spirits can
Speaker 1: manipulate that white noise to create words. And we used
Speaker 1: to just listen to it, just kind of having it
Speaker 1: sitting there. We'd say, hey, did that say red? Or
Speaker 1: did that say you know, hello? But we felt like
Speaker 1: we were kind of influencing what we thought the answer
Speaker 1: were saying based on the situation we were in. So
Speaker 1: we started using them by putting um a blindfold on
Speaker 1: so we couldn't see the reaction of people in the
Speaker 1: room and putting on noise canceling headphones, and then whoever
Speaker 1: wasn't listening would ask questions, and so whoever is listening
Speaker 1: has no idea what questions are being asked, and so
Speaker 1: what Adam and I did in the fee House is
Speaker 1: we both went under as we call it, where we
Speaker 1: both put on blindfolds and noise canceling headphones and each
Speaker 1: listened to a spirit box and just said whatever we heard.
Speaker 1: And what happened was it really sounded like mother and
Speaker 1: daughter started having a conversation, and we had no idea
Speaker 1: if it was working. We looked the crew and like,
Speaker 1: did that work? And they looked at us like their
Speaker 1: jaws were just like hitting the floor. And in our estimation,
Speaker 1: it sounds like those two were not aware of each
Speaker 1: other in the house until that moment, and they had
Speaker 1: this very strange conversation where I think Mamie said do
Speaker 1: you remember and then her daughter finished the purple flowers
Speaker 1: and she was like yes, Like it was the weirdest thing.
Speaker 1: If you haven't seen the episode, I highly recommend you
Speaker 1: go watch it. So we kind of felt like that
Speaker 1: might be helping a bit. So you feel like, now
Speaker 1: maybe the fire just kind of like switched that energy
Speaker 1: back to where they were before. So I don't know
Speaker 1: that it maybe just switched back immediately. I just know
Speaker 1: that for a while there after you guys left, she
Speaker 1: was not as present as she had been in the past,
Speaker 1: and it didn't concern me because she's very attached to me.
Speaker 1: I would say, so I can feel her when she's
Speaker 1: like nearor so I just noticed that after that happened,
Speaker 1: but she kind of just went back to doing the
Speaker 1: same things and maybe they're comfortable. And I've talked with
Speaker 1: Chip Coffee about some of this as well, and so
Speaker 1: like we've kind of I've talked with him about what
Speaker 1: could be happening, and he said, you know, there are
Speaker 1: a lot of aries about people having to relive spirits
Speaker 1: after they pass, that they have to relive everything leading
Speaker 1: up for like the day that they died as punishment
Speaker 1: in the afterlife. And I was like, that's crazy. So
Speaker 1: I'm thinking that sometimes Catherine gets stuck in the same routine.
Speaker 1: She'll go up the stairs, she'll do whatever upstairs, She'll
Speaker 1: come down the stairs, she'll walk into the foyer, into
Speaker 1: the family parlor, over to the fireplace, and then she
Speaker 1: does something and when she goes back upstairs. A lot
Speaker 1: of people are just like when they investate it, they're like,
Speaker 1: she's a residual, you know, spirit, She's not intelligent. But
Speaker 1: the thing is is like you can break her cycle,
Speaker 1: which I think you guys even experienced when you guys
Speaker 1: were here filming. When you say she does her usual loop,
Speaker 1: do you mean you hear her footsteps? Are you seeing
Speaker 1: her up there? Like? What's that experience? I can actually
Speaker 1: just feel the vibrations of like someone walking in the room.
Speaker 1: I can feel bad. And on occasion you'll hear like
Speaker 1: a tap like going up the stairs, well like why
Speaker 1: she's going up? Or you'll hear a stair creek. So
Speaker 1: there's just all these like little things that kind of happened. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And as you know, I've told you guys to my
Speaker 1: husband's the only one who's actually seen something with his
Speaker 1: own eyes, which was in here in our carriage house
Speaker 1: where we live. So I feel like eventually I'll be
Speaker 1: able to probably convince the spirits that are there, Catherine Frank,
Speaker 1: maybe to make themselves visible to us. Right, what does
Speaker 1: your husband see exactly? So it was around Memorial Day
Speaker 1: and we were sitting on the front porch and the
Speaker 1: rockers out on the front porch of the carriage house
Speaker 1: and we were sitting out there talking and he said, baby,
Speaker 1: there's a woman standing in the window right behind you.
Speaker 1: Now that's how I turned around to look he's like,
Speaker 1: she's already gone. He basically described, maybe she looks sad,
Speaker 1: and so she probably looks sad because it's a memorial
Speaker 1: day and like her son Edward died in the military
Speaker 1: plane crash and all that. So he saw that. And
Speaker 1: then of course there's been some experiences in the house
Speaker 1: because remember my husband is the one who's like, they're
Speaker 1: not real unless I can see them, right, And so
Speaker 1: I was like, don't say that, because like they're here
Speaker 1: and they're going to hear that, and then they're gonna
Speaker 1: mess with you. So you hear voices too sometimes, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I have heard audibly in my ear frank who
Speaker 1: are at least who I believe is Frankly first moved
Speaker 1: in and redid the carriage house. I was in the
Speaker 1: big house, had some people here investigating, and there was
Speaker 1: a news crew here, and that news crew was in
Speaker 1: there and they were taking a picture from the foyer
Speaker 1: through the family parlor into that black hallway, and so
Speaker 1: I just jumped into the doorway of the kitchen just
Speaker 1: to get out of the shot. So it's like, no
Speaker 1: one needs to see this mess um, But I jumped
Speaker 1: in the kitchen and as I walked back out of
Speaker 1: the kitchen in that doorway into that back hallway. I
Speaker 1: hear a male deep voice in my ear saying I
Speaker 1: hate you. And I turned to where I hear the
Speaker 1: voice and there's nothing, no one, And so I'm like
Speaker 1: in a panic, I'm like, who hates me? Like what
Speaker 1: is going on? So I literally searched the entire bottom
Speaker 1: floor and there's there's nobody on There's no one in
Speaker 1: the house. They're all upstairs. They're all on the second floor,
Speaker 1: third floor. I walked outside and did someone just coming
Speaker 1: the house and say something to me? Because there's people
Speaker 1: outside out back, and I was like, did someone just
Speaker 1: coming here and whisper in my ear? And what are
Speaker 1: you talking about? That's disconcerting. I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people would have been like, Okay, goodbye, I'm done with
Speaker 1: this house. So did that make you feel unwelcome? At
Speaker 1: that moment um? It made me concerned, But at the
Speaker 1: same time, I was like, you know what, I was like,
Speaker 1: I get that he's angry. This is all something new.
Speaker 1: He's comfortable with. However, he's after life is and he
Speaker 1: doesn't want anything to be changed or anything to happen
Speaker 1: to this house or maybe he was thinking they're going
Speaker 1: to come in and destroy the house. People have already
Speaker 1: come in here and destroyed things. So I've continued to
Speaker 1: to work with him and say, hey, we're not here
Speaker 1: to harm the house. I said, you're a well known
Speaker 1: person in your time, like, there's no reason why your
Speaker 1: legacy can't continue into the future. We want to restore
Speaker 1: this house the way that you remember it, or make
Speaker 1: it more beautiful than it was. I think that is
Speaker 1: our only goal. And so there was a time there
Speaker 1: when all of that happened, when I'd be out in
Speaker 1: the yard working and we started working on cleaning up
Speaker 1: that patio off the kitchen, and I would come in
Speaker 1: the house and I would say, Frank, get out here
Speaker 1: and look up this window and watch how hard I'm
Speaker 1: working to save this house. So everything had kind of
Speaker 1: calm down eventually by mid I mean, that's what I
Speaker 1: always tell people, you know, talk to them like you
Speaker 1: would talk to a living person right in front of you.
Speaker 1: You know, their understanding isn't different just because they're dead.
Speaker 1: I think some people it's their instinct to talk to
Speaker 1: ghosts like their three year olds, and it's like, no,
Speaker 1: they're just a person, right, in front of you that
Speaker 1: you cannot see, and sometimes you have to reason with them,
Speaker 1: especially if they're doing things like that. So, what is
Speaker 1: your ultimate plan for the house. The carriage house is beautiful,
Speaker 1: you guys have done a wonderful job with it. What's
Speaker 1: your plan for the actual main house? So, as you know,
Speaker 1: and I told you if anyone was watching the episode
Speaker 1: Kindred Spirits, we did talk about a bed and breakfast
Speaker 1: in the episode. However, Frank got sick in nineteen twenty,
Speaker 1: and when that happened, basically he was going into kidney failure.
Speaker 1: He ultimately died of congestive heart failure because water built
Speaker 1: up around his heart, and he died of a heart
Speaker 1: attack in nineteen three. So kind of to honor, like
Speaker 1: all of his life's work, his legacy, his everything. There
Speaker 1: was no doubt such thing as dialysis back in nineteen
Speaker 1: Dialysis came along nineteen forty six, if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 1: And so basically I want to make and now that
Speaker 1: I went into kidney failure, which is kind of what
Speaker 1: I was concerned about having you guys here anyways, Like
Speaker 1: I went into kidney failure a hundred years after Frank.
Speaker 1: This is really strange, what's going on. I want to
Speaker 1: kind of honor him with making the fee House a
Speaker 1: place where people with kidney failure that have gotten transplants
Speaker 1: can come and stay here if they live further outside.
Speaker 1: A little wrong, So make it more of like a
Speaker 1: place where people have a free place to stay, a nonprofit,
Speaker 1: a free place to stay. People can come here with
Speaker 1: their care partners. They'll have a room, a bathroom, they'll
Speaker 1: have clean sheets. It'll be just a nice place where
Speaker 1: someone could come in for six weeks and recover. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's well, that's lovely. That's a really great idea. And
Speaker 1: I think that is the perfect way to honor his
Speaker 1: legacy and the family's history, um in addition to what
Speaker 1: you've gone through and can relate to. So I think
Speaker 1: that is such a great idea. Well thanks, I'm exciting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: right now people can investigate it. Right you're scheduling private investigation.
Speaker 1: So if people do want to come and investigate, if
Speaker 1: they want to do that, how do they get in
Speaker 1: touch with you? They can either email me directly at
Speaker 1: Drew at the fee House dot com or if they
Speaker 1: go to the website. Because now we've transferred from the
Speaker 1: fee House dot com to a nonprofit website, so it's
Speaker 1: the fee House dot org. That's where you can find
Speaker 1: out more information about the house. You can book your
Speaker 1: team investigations there if you want to do that. There's
Speaker 1: also the phone number should be on the website for
Speaker 1: the house. You can always call me on that number.
Speaker 1: It will come to my cell phone and I'll be
Speaker 1: happy to answer any questions that they may have. Just
Speaker 1: there's a lot of information on the fee House dot org. Well,
Speaker 1: that's awesome. It's really been lovely chatting with you. I'm
Speaker 1: glad to hear that things are doing better with your
Speaker 1: health and everything. And um, like I said, I love
Speaker 1: hearing stories about the house and I love what your
Speaker 1: plans are for the future. So thank you so much
Speaker 1: for joining me today. I appreciate it. You're welcome, Thanks
Speaker 1: for having me. The fee House is a location that
Speaker 1: baffles me. It questions everything I assumed I knew about
Speaker 1: the paranormal. How could the spirits of a mother and
Speaker 1: daughter co exist in the same space yet have no
Speaker 1: idea the other was there? What is it that we
Speaker 1: do not know or understand about the afterlife? Sure, a
Speaker 1: lot of self declared mediums tell me they have the answers,
Speaker 1: but none of what they tell me corresponds with what
Speaker 1: I've actually experienced as a mother, a sister, a daughter.
Speaker 1: It's impossible to imagine being in such close proximity to
Speaker 1: one of my closest family members for decades and not
Speaker 1: know they were there. But this is yet another reason
Speaker 1: why I do what I do, and why you listen
Speaker 1: to accounts such as these. I don't expect to understand
Speaker 1: how the afterlife works in this lifetime, but at some
Speaker 1: point I will understand me all will understand. I'm Amy
Speaker 1: Bruney and this was Haunted Road. Haunted Road is a
Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio and Grimm and Mild from
Speaker 1: Aaron Mankey. Haunted Road is hosted and written by me
Speaker 1: Amy Bruney, additional research by Taylor Haggerdorn. The show is
Speaker 1: edited and produced by rema El Kali and supervising producer
Speaker 1: Josh Thing and executive producers Aaron Mankey, Alex Williams, and
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