1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of I Heart Radio 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 1: and Grim and Mild from Aaron Minky. Listener discretion is advised. 3 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:24,080 Speaker 1: Imagine when you die you become a ghost, and then 4 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: entertain the idea that you may haunt your family home, 5 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: a place so familiar you could close your eyes and 6 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 1: glide your hand on the walls and find your way 7 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:36,919 Speaker 1: from place to place, completely on instinct and memory. According 8 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: to what we've always thought, if someone else passed who 9 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: was attached to that home, they may also somehow end 10 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 1: up haunting it, and you would know they were there 11 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 1: right Their presence would be as indelible as the walls 12 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: you knew so well and the memories you created within them. 13 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: What if that person was your mother or your daughter, 14 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: Surely you would together haunt your family home, completely aware 15 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: of the other, staying in the space for whatever reason 16 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: kept you but together. But what if that isn't the case. 17 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: What if you could go decades, if not more, haunting 18 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: the same place with someone you knew and loved incredibly 19 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: in day to day life, but not knowing they were there. 20 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: You would tread the same steps, see the same living folks, 21 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: watch the same sunsets from the same windows, but think 22 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: you were alone. I never considered this a possibility in 23 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 1: all my experiences with the spirit world, and yet our 24 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: next location had me questioning everything I thought I knew. 25 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: Come with me to Little Rock, Arkansas. As we explore 26 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: the Fee House. I'm Amy Brunie, and this is haunted road. 27 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: Today the Fee House sits empty, its owners living in 28 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: the property's carriage house while they renovate the historic home 29 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: in Little Rock, Arkansas. But put more accurately, the home, 30 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: which is sat empty for more than two decades, is 31 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: only empty of living people. Evidence of the dead fills 32 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 1: the halls of the Fee House. Unexplained noises and disembodied 33 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: footsteps come from afar. Voices echo from empty rooms saying 34 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: hello and welcome in some places and others the messages 35 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: are darker. He's in the attic, investigators have heard others 36 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: have picked up voices saying help us, we are lost. 37 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,519 Speaker 1: But who is lost and how did they get there? 38 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: The answer could very well be in the fee Houses 39 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: one thirty year history, which includes public scandal, traumatic injuries 40 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: and deaths, an allegedly cursed family, and nowadays, reports of 41 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: faces appearing in the windows of a home where no 42 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: one lives. It wasn't always this way. Well, the Fee 43 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: House wasn't always haunted as far as we know, but 44 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,959 Speaker 1: it has, it seems, always had its share of strange 45 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: and unusual stories. Built in eighteen ninety, the Fee House 46 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: is a Victorian style home in the Governor's Mansion district 47 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: of Little Rock, what was in its day the most 48 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 1: fashionable and desirable part of town to live in. From 49 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: the eighteen eighties to the nineteen twenties, the city's most 50 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: affluent residents built homes in the neighborhood. Though the house 51 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,239 Speaker 1: is known today as the Fee House, it was actually 52 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: built for the Hayfer family, though not much is known 53 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: about those owners or the owners who followed immediately after. 54 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: The Fee House is a two story Victorian plus an attic. 55 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: It has six bedrooms and three bathrooms, with nearly four 56 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: thousand square feet inside, including a kitchen, library, parlor, and 57 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: a great foyer with a large open staircase with a 58 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: carved wooden banister wrapping around a landing that looks down 59 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: into the first floor. The Fees were actually the third 60 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: family to own the building, purchasing the house in nineteen 61 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: o seven. At the time they moved into the home 62 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: at nineteen hundred Broadway Street in Little Rock. They had 63 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: already seen their fair share of scandal. Frank Ffee bought 64 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: the Fee House for himself, his wife, Mamie, whose real 65 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: name was Mary Rose, and their three children, five year 66 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: old Frank Jr. Three year old Catherine, and infant son Edward. 67 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: Frank was a prominent businessman in Little Rock who was 68 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: a thirty second degree Mason and a member of many 69 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: elite social clubs in the city. Fee's father was a 70 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: Civil War soldier and his mother was the granddaughter of 71 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: a famed Revolutionary War general. Frank showed talent at an 72 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: early age, graduating from high school at just thirteen and 73 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 1: from Oberlin College at eighteen, then being admitted to the 74 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: bar at only twenty one years old. He quickly made 75 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 1: a fortune in the lumber industry, parlaying his love of 76 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: nature into work in forestry and then in the manufacture 77 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: of hardwood lumber, eventually becoming president of the Phee Creighton 78 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: Lumber Company. Frank had been married to Mamie for seven 79 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 1: years when they moved into what became known as the 80 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: Fee House, but he had been married previously. Frank and 81 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 1: his first wife, Nellie, eloped in October eighteen eighty two 82 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: when her parents disapproved of the match, saying that at eighteen, 83 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: she was too young to get married. The pair had 84 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: at least two children, Laura was born in eighteen eighty 85 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: four and Herbert was born in eighteen eighty eight, though 86 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: some sources say they had at least one, if not two, 87 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 1: more daughters. Frank became close to Mamie Cone while he 88 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: was still married to Nellie and while Mamie was married 89 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: to a lumber merchant in Chicago. Nellie filed for divorce 90 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,119 Speaker 1: in eighteen ninety nine, receiving what the Fort Wayne News 91 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: described at the time as heavy alimony and the custody 92 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: of her children. Mamie and her husband also divorced at 93 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: the same time. That article, published in April nineteen hundred 94 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: on the occasion of Frank and Mamie's wedding, which immediately 95 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: followed their divorce from their previous spouses, noted that the news, 96 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 1: although of a sensational character, will not surprise Fort Wayne's 97 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 1: social circles. Despite these salasious for the time gossip, the 98 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: Fees enjoyed active prominent roles in society while living in Ohio, 99 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 1: then in Texas, and finally in Little Rock. Contemporary newspaper 100 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: reports show them hosting an attending various social events. A 101 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: fourth birthday party for Edward in June nineteen ten included 102 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: fifty children as guests. According to the Daily Arkansas Gazette, 103 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: the lawn was beautifully arranged, games were played, and a 104 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: delicious birthday luncheon was served in the late afternoon, when 105 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 1: a large frosted birthday cake was cut. The paper noted 106 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: that the lawn of the Fee residence nine hundred Broadway 107 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: is an ideal spot for an entertainment of this nature. 108 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: Numerous garden swings, the ice cream cone vendor, and dainty 109 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: lunches and paper napkins will add to the enjoyment of 110 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: the little guests. In January nineteen twelve, Frank and Maymie 111 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: hosted a dinner party where there were six tables and 112 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: guests would change tables as each course was presented. In 113 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 1: nine December, the family presented a Christmas church play called 114 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: Castle Christmas, which The Arkansas Democrat described as a most 115 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: charming affair. The three feet children who appeared in it 116 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: played the King of Christmas a bottle of ink. The 117 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: Spirit of Christmas, and one half of a pair of mittens, respectively. 118 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: During this time Frank and may you welcome two more children, 119 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: Thomas born in nineteen ten and Patricia born in nineteen fifteen. 120 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: According to the website Abandoned Arkansas, there were rumors that 121 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: Thomas may have been fathered by a caretaker and groundskeeper 122 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: for the Fees, who lived in the property's carriage house. 123 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: As the site describes, Thomas was the only child of 124 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: the five five children, whose room wasn't a large upstairs bedroom, 125 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: but was instead behind the library on the sun porch. 126 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: Even more telling was that he was sent to California 127 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: to live prior to enrolling in high school, where he 128 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: remained after graduation and into adulthood. More unusual circumstances surrounded 129 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: the Fee family, especially when it came to death and loss. 130 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: Frank Sr. Was only sixty two when he died of 131 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: a heart attack in Battle Creek, Michigan, in January nine. 132 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: His death was announced in an obituary in the Arkansas 133 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: Democrat titled Nationally known Lumberman Dies, and Frank's body was 134 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: brought to the Fee house before his burial. Eight years later, 135 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: Mamie died at age fifty eight, from injuries sustained in 136 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: a horrific accident. She was drying her hair over the 137 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: stove one night when her night gown caught fire. A 138 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: maid attempted to put the flames out with a blanket, 139 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: but Mamie was badly burned. An account from her granddaughter 140 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: Patricia describes what followed Mamie's injury. According to her granddaughter 141 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: Patricia Tucker, after being burned, Mamie would tell no one. 142 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: Edward was to be married at that time, and she 143 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: did not want to spoil his marriage plans, so she 144 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: kept her plight to herself. After the wedding, she got 145 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: so bad she did go to a hospital for the burns, 146 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: but it was too late. From these injuries, she died. 147 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: Though this account came from a family member, the dates 148 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: don't exactly line up. Edward married Geraldine Miller in May, 149 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: over a year before Mamie's death. Another piece of Patricia's account, though, 150 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: might explain why Mamie was hesitant to seek medical care. 151 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: The granddaughter went on to explain she was a good 152 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: Christian scientist. Many of the time she would call someone 153 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,319 Speaker 1: to pray that I would get well. Maybe that too 154 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: was a reason she didn't go to the hospital sooner. 155 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: Christian Science or the Church of Christ Scientists, is a 156 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: belief system founded in eighteen seventy nine in Boston. At 157 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: the time of Mamie's death, just about half a century later, 158 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 1: it was the fastest growing religion, with nearly two hundred 159 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: seventy thousand members. One of the religion's core tenants is 160 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: that malady and disease should be treated through prayer, not 161 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: through medicine. Whatever her reasons for not immediately seeking treatment 162 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: for her burns, maybe passed away from her injuries sustained 163 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: in the accident. Less than a year later, in October 164 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: nineteen thirty two, twenty eight year old Catherine died after 165 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 1: drinking poison in the Fee House. Though she drank poison 166 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: acid to be precise, Catherine's death was ruled accidental, is 167 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: it was believed that she unintentionally drank poison, believing that 168 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: she was picking up a bottle of headache medicine. In 169 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: her obituary in the Arkansaga Sette, it's noted that physicians 170 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: said she died from effects of an acid, which relatives 171 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: she evidently picked up by mistake in her haste to 172 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: obtain relief from the headache. Patricia was nine at the 173 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 1: time of her mother's death, and she remembers what happened 174 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:13,479 Speaker 1: that day very differently. According to Abandoned Arkansas, she remembers 175 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: her mother and uncle's arguing about who was to blame 176 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:19,079 Speaker 1: for the recent death of their mother. Catherine blamed her 177 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: brother and claimed he had lost the faith. In the 178 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: midst of this argument, Catherine deliberately went upstairs and found 179 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: the acid and drank it intentionally as she was standing 180 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: above the family on the staircase, causing her almost immediate 181 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: and horrific death. Though the family immediately drove her to 182 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,079 Speaker 1: the hospital after seeing her drink the poison, she died 183 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: within ten minutes of arrival. A decade later, another of 184 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: the feed children would meet an untimely end. In October 185 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: nineteen thirty, six year old Edward died in a plane 186 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: crash in Dallas, Texas during his Army service. The bomber 187 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: in which he and five other service members were flying. 188 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 1: According to the St. Louis Star in Times, struck a 189 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: radio station and Tenna guy wire. Edward's cause of death 190 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: was Liz did As crushed in an aeroplane wreck. The 191 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: Fee family sold the home in nineteen thirty nine or 192 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: nineteen forty to Audrea Hart, a widow who lived there 193 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: with her two widowed sisters and their mother, Virginia Frehley, 194 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: who passed away in the home in May nineteen sixty 195 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: six at age one two. Audrea lived in the home 196 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: until her death in nine but she was also attached 197 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: to a terrible accident in the home. According to Abandoned Arkansas, 198 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: Audria had an extremely unlucky visitor while in the home. 199 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: The woman somehow fell over backward from the top staircase 200 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: landing and landed in the foyer, breaking her neck and 201 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:42,079 Speaker 1: dying instantly. This account, though isn't substantiated by other sources. 202 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 1: The Fee House sat abandoned and decaying from Audrea's death 203 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 1: until the current owners, Drew and Mark, purchased it in 204 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. They currently live in the carriage house while 205 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: they renovate the main house, which they intend to turn 206 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: into a nonprofit that provides accommodations for post operative transplant 207 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: patients while they received care from a nearby hospital when 208 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: Drew and Mark bought the house, though they didn't know 209 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: it was haunted and the Fee House you might not 210 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: be surprised to learn is very haunted. The pair began 211 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: to suspect something paranormal was happening in the home when 212 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 1: they started sensing unusual happenings. They would hear unexplained sounds 213 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: like boxes being dropped in other rooms and feeling the 214 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: presence of a man around the house and unsurprisingly, the 215 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: presence of a woman on the stairs. Doors on the 216 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: second floor of the house are said to move on 217 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: their own, often shutting themselves when left open. Now, paranormal 218 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 1: researchers investigate the space, sometimes offering ghost tours. Investigators have 219 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: captured e vps of someone saying welcome in the house 220 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: and of an unseen man in the library saying I'm 221 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: right behind you. One ghost hunter, Tyra Clark of the 222 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: Arkansas X Files, claims to have seen a child's ghost 223 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: by the house's main staircase, which identified itself to her 224 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: as Edward Fee. She has also picked up voices saying 225 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: he's in the attic and help us we are lost. 226 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: Another investig itater claims to have heard mysterious footsteps in 227 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: the house, while two others reported feeling extremely short of 228 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 1: breath in the attic as well. As experiencing cold sensations, 229 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 1: lack of feeling in their legs, and being touched or 230 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: pinched by something unseen. To dive deeper into these hauntings, 231 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: I thought it best to talk to one of the 232 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: owners himself. Drew counsel Short is joining us next and 233 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 1: he's going to tell us all about the wild experiences 234 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: he's had since purchasing the fee House and why the 235 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: heck he wanted to buy a Rundown haunted house anyway, 236 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:45,079 Speaker 1: that is coming up after the break. I am sitting 237 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: here with none other than Drew counsel Short, who is 238 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: the owner of the Fee House and has had many 239 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: an experience, and figured, hey, you are probably the best 240 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: person to speak with about what goes on in the 241 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: house now. So thank you for joining me. Sure, thanks 242 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: for having me. It's nice to hear your voice again. 243 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:06,079 Speaker 1: You know. We spent multiple days at the house filming 244 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 1: Kindred Spirits Gosh last summer, and it was remarkably hot. 245 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: I remember being very sweaty, very much. So, yeah, I 246 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: watched that episode. We're kind of chatting about this. Before 247 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: I watched that episode, I'm always like, oh gosh, this 248 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: was not my finest moment. On television. But it was 249 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: a really cool investigation, so that was worth it. There 250 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: was one moment where I was like, wow, the hair 251 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: is like social with sweat stuck to my forehead, and 252 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: it's like, that is a bad shot. I feel like 253 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: I've learned that whenever we are shooting television, it's either 254 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: remarkably hot or like sub zero temperatures. It can never 255 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: just be like a comfortable sixty eight degree day. It's like, 256 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: it never is. It's always one of it has to 257 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:57,119 Speaker 1: be drastic to be fair. I literally told the production 258 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: manager and everything, it's like, do not send them here 259 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: in June and July or August because there is no 260 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: air conditioning. And what were they there, Like, hey, we're 261 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: gonna send them in the dead heat of summer. They 262 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: don't actually care about us. It's fine, It's totally fine. 263 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: So I love the Fee House because it's not like 264 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: a super well known location, but the history, and I 265 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: think it's becoming more well known for sure. The history 266 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: is so fascinating to me. And we've been through that already, 267 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: so I need to ask you, like why did you 268 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: buy that house? So we came here because my husband's 269 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: family is from this area, and so I was like, 270 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: you know, we lived in Nashville, Tennessee at the time, 271 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: and I was like, I could live in an area 272 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: like this, you know where the house is located in 273 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: the historic Governor's Mansion area. And then I saw this 274 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: house and the yard was not mode, the trees were 275 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: not trimmed. It was a disaster of a house. And 276 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: we pulled in the driveway because I saw the first 277 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: sales sign. We pulled in the driveway and It's like, 278 00:15:57,800 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: I will move to a little rock, Arkansas if I 279 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: can have this house. And so I had not been inside. 280 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: I had no idea what the inside looked like. I 281 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: had no idea of what the carriage house inside of 282 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: that looked like. So he was like really, and I 283 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: was like yes, really. So we came back like a 284 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: week later to meet with a real estate agent and 285 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: to tour the house. And we toured like, I don't know, 286 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: like fifteen eighteen houses in like two days, and this 287 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: was the last house that we stopped at, although this 288 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: was the first house I wanted to see, So we 289 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: thought that this one was like almost like I was 290 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: being deterred from this house, and I was like, now 291 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: this is the one I want. When I went inside, 292 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: it just felt like the home kind of gets you 293 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: a hug and like an embrace and like a warm welcome, like, oh, 294 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: your home, you know that kind of feeling. And so 295 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: I walked in it and that's what I felt, and 296 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: I was like, this is it, this is the one 297 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: I want now. Mind you, the house was completely filled 298 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: with junk. I mean, like sixty yards of debris is 299 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: what came out of that house. As you saw. There's 300 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: still the one room upstairs that's got a lot just 301 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: because that floor is not stable and we haven't gotten 302 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: to get all that taken care of yet. But other 303 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: than that, the house has obviously cleaned out, and it 304 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: just felt like home to me. You know. I hear 305 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: that a lot from people who buy houses like that, 306 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: like they'll go in and it doesn't matter what kind 307 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: of shape it's in. You know what deters many other 308 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: people kind of attracts them, like it's almost like you 309 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:28,679 Speaker 1: are there to save it. There's just some reason it's faded. 310 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 1: You're supposed to be there and nothing can take that 311 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 1: away at that point. And so I think that's interesting. 312 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,239 Speaker 1: You saw so many houses before, and I feel that 313 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:40,199 Speaker 1: it is a gorgeous, gorgeous home, and I totally get that. 314 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: I feel like, at some point that's going to happen 315 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: to me. Now, when did you find out that it 316 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: was haunted? Though? So I had this recurring dream after 317 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: we had put the offer in on the house, we 318 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 1: went back to Tennessee to wrap up the sale of 319 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: our house, so on and so forth, and I kept 320 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: having this reoccurring dream about the stairwell in the house 321 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: and there was this woman that was like on the stairwell. 322 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: And in the dream, I was in the upstairs bedroom, 323 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 1: which has made me his master bedroom, which is the 324 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: front room once you get up the stairs. And when 325 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: I was in that room and I was doing something 326 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: like making the bed or I can't even remembering the 327 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:19,239 Speaker 1: dream what I was doing. But when I was up 328 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: there doing this, I kept seeing this woman on the 329 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,719 Speaker 1: stairwell and I was like, why is she looking at me? 330 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: And you know how the stairwell is like the banisters, 331 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 1: like they're short, but like you can kind of like 332 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: see from like when you come up the stairwell and 333 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 1: you get to the first landing and then you start 334 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: up the longer section of the stairwell, and she was 335 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: on there and she was looking at me in that 336 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: room and I was like, why is she staring at me? 337 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: This is so creepy. And I had this dream like 338 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: seven or eight times, and it's like something is going 339 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: on in this house and I don't know what it is. 340 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: I can tell you what it is because at the 341 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: time I had not spent much time in the house 342 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 1: other than just walking into it to see it, you know, 343 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,880 Speaker 1: And so I had this dream. I was like, something 344 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 1: is going on. What we closed on it? So I 345 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: first of two thousand nineteen, on July was when I 346 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 1: was seeing pictures of the family from a previous ownerhood 347 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: of it. And when I saw the picture of one 348 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 1: of the daughters, I was like, those are the eyes 349 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: that I remember seeing dream And she was like, well, 350 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: what dream? And so I told her about it, and 351 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: I was like, has anything weird or strange or you know, 352 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: happened to you in the house when you lived there? 353 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: So she was like, well, I wasn't gonna say anything, 354 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: but there was this one time and she they had 355 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:42,439 Speaker 1: one like very small encounter, which I don't think that 356 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: they really processed or were really thinking about it, but 357 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 1: they most certainly didn't want to scare me. But I 358 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 1: was like, I already know something is here anyway, there's 359 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: something going on. I mean, it bothered me, but it 360 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 1: didn't really bother me. I just didn't know the entire 361 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: history of the house until I really started digging in 362 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 1: to some of the research that she had already done. Right, So, yeah, 363 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 1: the stairwell plays an integral part of the history of 364 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 1: that house. So that's so interesting. And I firmly believe 365 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 1: in the idea that sometimes we are visited in our dreams, 366 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 1: because like I've had even relatives up here in my 367 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 1: dreams that have passed, and there's always something different about 368 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,959 Speaker 1: those dreams. I always have that moment where I'm like, 369 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: I know I'm being visited by someone who was passed away. 370 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: And so she had a message for you, apparently, So 371 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,199 Speaker 1: did that make you nervous at all? The idea of 372 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: buying a haunted house like that? So I'll tell you 373 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: after I met with the previous owner and learned some 374 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: more in the history. Like every time I walked into 375 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: the house and saw that something had been moved, I 376 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 1: would always run to my husband and like, baby, did 377 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 1: you move this? And like, yes, I moved it. And 378 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: just making sure. So like I think I was probably 379 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: more on edge about everything than I previously was even 380 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 1: before like knowing everything. I just knew something was going 381 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 1: on in there, but it didn't really like sink in 382 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: until I was like, oh my goodness, did he move this? 383 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: Did she moved this? Like? Who moved this? So that's 384 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: when I started to get a little bit nervous until 385 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: I could kind of figure out what was what, who 386 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,959 Speaker 1: was what, and like really kind of dig into like 387 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: investigating it myself. Right, I do encounter um a lot 388 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: of people like that when I'm investigating locations who are 389 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: kind of on red alert because things have happened, and 390 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: then they start like, you know, analyzing everything. So you've 391 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: had the dream, you're now looking firmly for paranoral activity. 392 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: What was like your next major experience in the house. 393 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: So the next major experience was ginger Back, who you 394 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: got to me? She had reached out to me to 395 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 1: write an article about the house for Abandoned Arkansas. So 396 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: she was like, can I come over and like, you know, 397 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: you can give me a tour and I'm gonna take 398 00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: some photos and write this article. And I was like 399 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: absolute len So she came over and that was Septimber 400 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: of two thousand nineteen, and we'll walk them through the 401 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,959 Speaker 1: house and she was taking pictures of everything, and she 402 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: texts me later that day and said, hey, not one 403 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: of my pictures that I took came out. She's like, 404 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 1: it's like someone has just taken their hand to a 405 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: painting and smeared it. Yeah, that's bizarre. She took like 406 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: a hundred ptures. Yeah, very bizarre. That's a lot of pictures. 407 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: And it was like an hour and a half that 408 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 1: we spent in there. So I was like, that's really 409 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: strange because I took like five pictures in there that day. 410 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: So I went back and look at those five pictures 411 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 1: and share enough, every single one of mine were blurring. 412 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 1: That's weird. So that's really interesting, Like it could be 413 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 1: you know, equipment issues with one, but when you have 414 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: both doing the exact same thing, that seems very strange. 415 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,120 Speaker 1: And so what's kind of just like the regular going on? 416 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: What happens there on a regular basis? Would you say, 417 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: after we filmed, you guys came and filmed Kindred Spirits. 418 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: Two months later, Mark and I were out in the 419 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 1: yard and we have all the trumpet vine that grows 420 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,239 Speaker 1: like really close to the house, and so the only 421 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: way to get rid of this is to like burn 422 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: it with like a torch. So we were out there 423 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: and we were burning the trumpet vine, and we were 424 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: being super cautious because I was like, we have to 425 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 1: be because the house is all wood and it's a 426 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: tinder box and if it catches fire, it's just gonna 427 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: go up in flames. So we're out there and we're 428 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 1: burning this trumpet line. I've got the hose. I'm spraying 429 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: like where he's burned, to like make sure that we're 430 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: not setting the house on fire that day. And what 431 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: did we do? Yes, we did. And so this lady 432 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 1: pulls up and she says, hey, your house is smoking. 433 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: And the torch is so loud that I'm like, what 434 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 1: is she saying? Like I can't hear her? And so 435 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: I told my husband was like, Mark, turned that off, 436 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 1: and so he turns it off and I said, what 437 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: did you say? And she said your house is smoking? 438 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: And I turned around and sure enough, there's smoke coming 439 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 1: from the house. I said, maybe go inside and see 440 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 1: if it's on fire. And he runs out and he's like, yes, 441 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 1: it's on fire. So what do I do. I run 442 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,239 Speaker 1: in there with the garden hose. It was just like 443 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: one wall between the front parlor and the dining room. 444 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: That's where the flames were. So I ripped into the wall. 445 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: Like we're like being like heroic fireman at this point, 446 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: and we're like ripping dry wall off the wall and 447 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 1: trim off the wall so I can get in there 448 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: and fight the fire with my garden hose. So I'm 449 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 1: doing all that, the fireman are coming. There's too much smoke. 450 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: I can't stay in there any longer because at the time, 451 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 1: I'm still in kidney failure and I've been stand there anymore. 452 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: So I wedge the hose in the wall, and the 453 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: fireman come in and like within seconds they put it out. 454 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: So there's not a lot of damage from the fire, 455 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: but there is damage. So after that is when obviously 456 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:56,479 Speaker 1: activity really really picked up. I think that that probably 457 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: just unsettled everything, like everything had kind of did to 458 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 1: calm down, you know, all the spirits, as you say, 459 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: we're like in this place of learning how to communicate 460 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: with each other through s as people here on earth, 461 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 1: and so since then it's just been crazy. It's almost 462 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 1: like the fire made them revert back to like not 463 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: wanting to communicate again or something. So I'm not quite 464 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 1: sure if that has to do with like Mamie's gown 465 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 1: catching on fire, or if that kind of like made 466 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: them relive what happened to them. They need to probably 467 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: dig into that more and see if I can get 468 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: some responses from them. So, for those that don't know, 469 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 1: a spirit box is a device that sweeps radio waves 470 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: and creates white noise, and we believe that spirits can 471 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: manipulate that white noise to create words. And we used 472 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 1: to just listen to it, just kind of having it 473 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,199 Speaker 1: sitting there. We'd say, hey, did that say red? Or 474 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 1: did that say you know, hello? But we felt like 475 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: we were kind of influencing what we thought the answer 476 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: were saying based on the situation we were in. So 477 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: we started using them by putting um a blindfold on 478 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 1: so we couldn't see the reaction of people in the 479 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 1: room and putting on noise canceling headphones, and then whoever 480 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 1: wasn't listening would ask questions, and so whoever is listening 481 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: has no idea what questions are being asked, and so 482 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 1: what Adam and I did in the fee House is 483 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 1: we both went under as we call it, where we 484 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: both put on blindfolds and noise canceling headphones and each 485 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 1: listened to a spirit box and just said whatever we heard. 486 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: And what happened was it really sounded like mother and 487 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: daughter started having a conversation, and we had no idea 488 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 1: if it was working. We looked the crew and like, 489 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: did that work? And they looked at us like their 490 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 1: jaws were just like hitting the floor. And in our estimation, 491 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: it sounds like those two were not aware of each 492 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 1: other in the house until that moment, and they had 493 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,159 Speaker 1: this very strange conversation where I think Mamie said do 494 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: you remember and then her daughter finished the purple flowers 495 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: and she was like yes, Like it was the weirdest thing. 496 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: If you haven't seen the episode, I highly recommend you 497 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,439 Speaker 1: go watch it. So we kind of felt like that 498 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 1: might be helping a bit. So you feel like, now 499 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: maybe the fire just kind of like switched that energy 500 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: back to where they were before. So I don't know 501 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: that it maybe just switched back immediately. I just know 502 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: that for a while there after you guys left, she 503 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 1: was not as present as she had been in the past, 504 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: and it didn't concern me because she's very attached to me. 505 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: I would say, so I can feel her when she's 506 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 1: like nearor so I just noticed that after that happened, 507 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 1: but she kind of just went back to doing the 508 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,199 Speaker 1: same things and maybe they're comfortable. And I've talked with 509 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,439 Speaker 1: Chip Coffee about some of this as well, and so 510 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 1: like we've kind of I've talked with him about what 511 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,439 Speaker 1: could be happening, and he said, you know, there are 512 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 1: a lot of aries about people having to relive spirits 513 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: after they pass, that they have to relive everything leading 514 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: up for like the day that they died as punishment 515 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,919 Speaker 1: in the afterlife. And I was like, that's crazy. So 516 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: I'm thinking that sometimes Catherine gets stuck in the same routine. 517 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: She'll go up the stairs, she'll do whatever upstairs, She'll 518 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: come down the stairs, she'll walk into the foyer, into 519 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: the family parlor, over to the fireplace, and then she 520 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,199 Speaker 1: does something and when she goes back upstairs. A lot 521 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: of people are just like when they investate it, they're like, 522 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,439 Speaker 1: she's a residual, you know, spirit, She's not intelligent. But 523 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: the thing is is like you can break her cycle, 524 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: which I think you guys even experienced when you guys 525 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: were here filming. When you say she does her usual loop, 526 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: do you mean you hear her footsteps? Are you seeing 527 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: her up there? Like? What's that experience? I can actually 528 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: just feel the vibrations of like someone walking in the room. 529 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: I can feel bad. And on occasion you'll hear like 530 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: a tap like going up the stairs, well like why 531 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: she's going up? Or you'll hear a stair creek. So 532 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: there's just all these like little things that kind of happened. Yeah, 533 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: And as you know, I've told you guys to my 534 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: husband's the only one who's actually seen something with his 535 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: own eyes, which was in here in our carriage house 536 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: where we live. So I feel like eventually I'll be 537 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: able to probably convince the spirits that are there, Catherine Frank, 538 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,239 Speaker 1: maybe to make themselves visible to us. Right, what does 539 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: your husband see exactly? So it was around Memorial Day 540 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: and we were sitting on the front porch and the 541 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: rockers out on the front porch of the carriage house 542 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: and we were sitting out there talking and he said, baby, 543 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: there's a woman standing in the window right behind you. 544 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: Now that's how I turned around to look he's like, 545 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: she's already gone. He basically described, maybe she looks sad, 546 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: and so she probably looks sad because it's a memorial 547 00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: day and like her son Edward died in the military 548 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: plane crash and all that. So he saw that. And 549 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: then of course there's been some experiences in the house 550 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: because remember my husband is the one who's like, they're 551 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: not real unless I can see them, right, And so 552 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: I was like, don't say that, because like they're here 553 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 1: and they're going to hear that, and then they're gonna 554 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: mess with you. So you hear voices too sometimes, right, Yeah, 555 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: so I have heard audibly in my ear frank who 556 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 1: are at least who I believe is Frankly first moved 557 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: in and redid the carriage house. I was in the 558 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: big house, had some people here investigating, and there was 559 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: a news crew here, and that news crew was in 560 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 1: there and they were taking a picture from the foyer 561 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: through the family parlor into that black hallway, and so 562 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: I just jumped into the doorway of the kitchen just 563 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: to get out of the shot. So it's like, no 564 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: one needs to see this mess um, But I jumped 565 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: in the kitchen and as I walked back out of 566 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 1: the kitchen in that doorway into that back hallway. I 567 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: hear a male deep voice in my ear saying I 568 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: hate you. And I turned to where I hear the 569 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: voice and there's nothing, no one, And so I'm like 570 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 1: in a panic, I'm like, who hates me? Like what 571 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: is going on? So I literally searched the entire bottom 572 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: floor and there's there's nobody on There's no one in 573 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: the house. They're all upstairs. They're all on the second floor, 574 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: third floor. I walked outside and did someone just coming 575 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: the house and say something to me? Because there's people 576 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 1: outside out back, and I was like, did someone just 577 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: coming here and whisper in my ear? And what are 578 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 1: you talking about? That's disconcerting. I think a lot of 579 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: people would have been like, Okay, goodbye, I'm done with 580 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: this house. So did that make you feel unwelcome? At 581 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: that moment um? It made me concerned, But at the 582 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: same time, I was like, you know what, I was like, 583 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 1: I get that he's angry. This is all something new. 584 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: He's comfortable with. However, he's after life is and he 585 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: doesn't want anything to be changed or anything to happen 586 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: to this house or maybe he was thinking they're going 587 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: to come in and destroy the house. People have already 588 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 1: come in here and destroyed things. So I've continued to 589 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: to work with him and say, hey, we're not here 590 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: to harm the house. I said, you're a well known 591 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: person in your time, like, there's no reason why your 592 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 1: legacy can't continue into the future. We want to restore 593 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: this house the way that you remember it, or make 594 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: it more beautiful than it was. I think that is 595 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: our only goal. And so there was a time there 596 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 1: when all of that happened, when I'd be out in 597 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: the yard working and we started working on cleaning up 598 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: that patio off the kitchen, and I would come in 599 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: the house and I would say, Frank, get out here 600 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 1: and look up this window and watch how hard I'm 601 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: working to save this house. So everything had kind of 602 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: calm down eventually by mid I mean, that's what I 603 00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: always tell people, you know, talk to them like you 604 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: would talk to a living person right in front of you. 605 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: You know, their understanding isn't different just because they're dead. 606 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 1: I think some people it's their instinct to talk to 607 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: ghosts like their three year olds, and it's like, no, 608 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: they're just a person, right, in front of you that 609 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: you cannot see, and sometimes you have to reason with them, 610 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 1: especially if they're doing things like that. So, what is 611 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: your ultimate plan for the house. The carriage house is beautiful, 612 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 1: you guys have done a wonderful job with it. What's 613 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 1: your plan for the actual main house? So, as you know, 614 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: and I told you if anyone was watching the episode 615 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: Kindred Spirits, we did talk about a bed and breakfast 616 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: in the episode. However, Frank got sick in nineteen twenty, 617 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: and when that happened, basically he was going into kidney failure. 618 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: He ultimately died of congestive heart failure because water built 619 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: up around his heart, and he died of a heart 620 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: attack in nineteen three. So kind of to honor, like 621 00:33:54,840 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: all of his life's work, his legacy, his everything. There 622 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: was no doubt such thing as dialysis back in nineteen 623 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 1: Dialysis came along nineteen forty six, if I'm not mistaken, 624 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 1: And so basically I want to make and now that 625 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 1: I went into kidney failure, which is kind of what 626 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 1: I was concerned about having you guys here anyways, Like 627 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,760 Speaker 1: I went into kidney failure a hundred years after Frank. 628 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 1: This is really strange, what's going on. I want to 629 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 1: kind of honor him with making the fee House a 630 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: place where people with kidney failure that have gotten transplants 631 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 1: can come and stay here if they live further outside. 632 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,359 Speaker 1: A little wrong, So make it more of like a 633 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: place where people have a free place to stay, a nonprofit, 634 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 1: a free place to stay. People can come here with 635 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: their care partners. They'll have a room, a bathroom, they'll 636 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: have clean sheets. It'll be just a nice place where 637 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 1: someone could come in for six weeks and recover. Oh yeah, 638 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,919 Speaker 1: that's well, that's lovely. That's a really great idea. And 639 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 1: I think that is the perfect way to honor his 640 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 1: legacy and the family's history, um in addition to what 641 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,319 Speaker 1: you've gone through and can relate to. So I think 642 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,399 Speaker 1: that is such a great idea. Well thanks, I'm exciting. Yeah, 643 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,319 Speaker 1: right now people can investigate it. Right you're scheduling private investigation. 644 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,359 Speaker 1: So if people do want to come and investigate, if 645 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 1: they want to do that, how do they get in 646 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: touch with you? They can either email me directly at 647 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 1: Drew at the fee House dot com or if they 648 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 1: go to the website. Because now we've transferred from the 649 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 1: fee House dot com to a nonprofit website, so it's 650 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 1: the fee House dot org. That's where you can find 651 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,799 Speaker 1: out more information about the house. You can book your 652 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 1: team investigations there if you want to do that. There's 653 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 1: also the phone number should be on the website for 654 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 1: the house. You can always call me on that number. 655 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 1: It will come to my cell phone and I'll be 656 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: happy to answer any questions that they may have. Just 657 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 1: there's a lot of information on the fee House dot org. Well, 658 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 1: that's awesome. It's really been lovely chatting with you. I'm 659 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,879 Speaker 1: glad to hear that things are doing better with your 660 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: health and everything. And um, like I said, I love 661 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: hearing stories about the house and I love what your 662 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: plans are for the future. So thank you so much 663 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 1: for joining me today. I appreciate it. You're welcome, Thanks 664 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:18,799 Speaker 1: for having me. The fee House is a location that 665 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:23,240 Speaker 1: baffles me. It questions everything I assumed I knew about 666 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 1: the paranormal. How could the spirits of a mother and 667 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 1: daughter co exist in the same space yet have no 668 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 1: idea the other was there? What is it that we 669 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 1: do not know or understand about the afterlife? Sure, a 670 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: lot of self declared mediums tell me they have the answers, 671 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,319 Speaker 1: but none of what they tell me corresponds with what 672 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 1: I've actually experienced as a mother, a sister, a daughter. 673 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,920 Speaker 1: It's impossible to imagine being in such close proximity to 674 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 1: one of my closest family members for decades and not 675 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 1: know they were there. But this is yet another reason 676 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,279 Speaker 1: why I do what I do, and why you listen 677 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 1: to accounts such as these. I don't expect to understand 678 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,400 Speaker 1: how the afterlife works in this lifetime, but at some 679 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 1: point I will understand me all will understand. I'm Amy 680 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 1: Bruney and this was Haunted Road. Haunted Road is a 681 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,319 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio and Grimm and Mild from 682 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 1: Aaron Mankey. Haunted Road is hosted and written by me 683 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 1: Amy Bruney, additional research by Taylor Haggerdorn. The show is 684 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 1: edited and produced by rema El Kali and supervising producer 685 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:52,319 Speaker 1: Josh Thing and executive producers Aaron Mankey, Alex Williams, and 686 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,919 Speaker 1: Matt Frederick. 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