Speaker 1: Welcome to Criminalia, a production of Shonda Land Audio in
Speaker 1: partnership with I Heart Radio, oh Amy Hardys, and welcome
Speaker 1: to Criminalia, where it's pirate season. We'll be exploring the
Speaker 1: lives and motivations of some of the most notorious freebooters
Speaker 1: throughout history. I'm a Ranch Market and I'm a Holly
Speaker 1: Fry and welcome to our Talk Like a Pirate Day celebration.
Speaker 1: Although pirates did not actually speak like most of us
Speaker 1: probably will on September maybe after we've had a couple.
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that it is not a lot of
Speaker 1: fun to throw that lingo around. But if you've ever
Speaker 1: wondered about the origins of Talk Like a Pirate Day,
Speaker 1: you actually don't have to look back very far into
Speaker 1: the past at all, just to the mid ninety nineties.
Speaker 1: Back then, friends John Bower and Mark Summers, who also
Speaker 1: used the more piratical monikers Captain Slappy and Old Chum Bucket,
Speaker 1: according to their own account, started talking to each other
Speaker 1: like pirates one day while they were playing racquetball, of
Speaker 1: all things, not a very piratey kind of endeavor, and
Speaker 1: so they just started doing it as friends do, to
Speaker 1: make themselves laugh. I think we have all fallen into
Speaker 1: that thing where suddenly everyone at your table while you're
Speaker 1: out for drinks or a snack starts using a horrible
Speaker 1: page accent or pretending their French for a moment. We've
Speaker 1: all done it. They were just doing it to make
Speaker 1: each other laugh. And then in two thousand two, after
Speaker 1: they had done this for a few years as a
Speaker 1: little joke and picked out the date of September nineteen
Speaker 1: as Talk Like a Pirate Day for themselves, they decided
Speaker 1: that they would email Humorous Dave Barry to tell him
Speaker 1: about their fun idea of a pirate talking holiday. And
Speaker 1: Barry loved it, and he wrote a column about it,
Speaker 1: and soon Talk Like a Pirate Day took off. So
Speaker 1: that is where this whole thing comes from, if you've
Speaker 1: been celebrating for the last twenty years or so. But
Speaker 1: keep in mind, this is all pretend end, and as
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about today, sometimes so are the pirates.
Speaker 1: Pirates probably had a way of speaking, you know. Grog,
Speaker 1: for instance, was a real drink drunk by pirates as
Speaker 1: well as the British Royal Navy. But it's not possible
Speaker 1: to go back to the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries during
Speaker 1: the Golden Age of piracy, to listen to any voice
Speaker 1: recordings of pirate language or their accent from around the world.
Speaker 1: We just don't know for sure. Nobody was interviewed by
Speaker 1: Oprah at that time. How could we know? But Ahoimi,
Speaker 1: hardyse and shiver me timbers, though I'm sorry to say
Speaker 1: they're considered by historians not to have been uttered by
Speaker 1: any real pirates. So where did talking like a pirate
Speaker 1: in the fictional sense really come from? Uh? Where did
Speaker 1: we get all of these silly phrases? Historian Colin Woodard,
Speaker 1: while studying examples of writing by real pirates during the
Speaker 1: Golden Age of piracy, found that those individuals were not
Speaker 1: writing with words and phrases such as Ahoian eighties and
Speaker 1: nowhere could he find a scribbled are And these were
Speaker 1: writings by literate, educated people who had chosen a life
Speaker 1: of piracy, not out of desperation, as many members of
Speaker 1: the crew might have. This is it to say that
Speaker 1: every pirate sailing the high seas was like this. In fact,
Speaker 1: many of them probably were illiterate and had never learned
Speaker 1: to read or write. But what are discovered many were
Speaker 1: actually more educated than we might all have guessed, and
Speaker 1: certainly more than modern media gives most pirates credit for.
Speaker 1: You know, how a person talks their language, their accent,
Speaker 1: their cadence, that sort of thing usually depends upon where
Speaker 1: that person is from, or maybe where they live. It's
Speaker 1: no different for pirates who came from countries including Spain, England, France,
Speaker 1: the Netherlands, and the America's scholars agree that most pirates,
Speaker 1: at least those around the British Empire, sounded pretty similar
Speaker 1: to how an underclass British sailor would have spoken at
Speaker 1: the time, and that means that their English would probably
Speaker 1: have been pretty good it. They're English, though would have
Speaker 1: included a dash or two of French, Italian, Spanish and
Speaker 1: Dutch slang picked up around the trade roots and from
Speaker 1: fellow pirates, and they're most certainly would have been way
Speaker 1: more profanity in the mix. I'm presuming they're not comparing
Speaker 1: it to the way I normally. I believe this was
Speaker 1: during the golden age of piracy. Ors has come along
Speaker 1: centuries after being much stronger game than their's. And really,
Speaker 1: here's what we're really talking about when we say that
Speaker 1: we're just pretending to talk like a pirate on Talk
Speaker 1: Like a Pirate Day, we already mentioned that things like
Speaker 1: are and maybe as well as that stereotypical pirate accent,
Speaker 1: those were not introduced or part of the legacy of
Speaker 1: people like an Bonnie or Blackbeard or any pirate. Actually,
Speaker 1: you can thank Hollywood for that. You can also give
Speaker 1: a little credit to Robert Louis Stevenson. Specifically, it is
Speaker 1: that well loved nineteen fifty Disney film adaptation of Stevenson's
Speaker 1: book Treasure Island that you can blame. That film became
Speaker 1: the go to source for pirates speak for both Hollywood
Speaker 1: and the rest of us. And now for the last
Speaker 1: nineteen years we've been celebrating that manner of speaking on
Speaker 1: Talk Like a Pirate Day. It's not just the language though,
Speaker 1: just like our isn't really part of a pirate's vocabulary.
Speaker 1: Some of fam as pirates themselves also are just fake,
Speaker 1: although many of us may think they're actually real. By
Speaker 1: real pirates, we mean those whose scholars have confirmed as
Speaker 1: real pirates, you know, actual humans who lived and engaged
Speaker 1: in some sort of life that we would categorize as piracy.
Speaker 1: Some of those real pirates have stories in their lore
Speaker 1: that may or may not be true or they're exaggerated,
Speaker 1: and that can also bring fictional elements to the legend
Speaker 1: of that real pirate. You see how this all gets
Speaker 1: real confusing in a hurry. The pirate is real, for example,
Speaker 1: but did they really do all those things that are
Speaker 1: credited to them? Maybe, but maybe not. And sometimes real
Speaker 1: life characteristics and even some real history becomes part of
Speaker 1: the stories that some of our most well known fictional pirates,
Speaker 1: such as Captain Jack Sparrow or the dread Pirate Roberts
Speaker 1: or Long John Silver may characterize. So we're gonna go
Speaker 1: on to them in a minute, but first we're going
Speaker 1: to take a break for a word from our sponsor,
Speaker 1: and when we're back, we're going to talk about those characters,
Speaker 1: Captain Jack Sparrow, the dread Pirate Roberts, and Long Dan Silver.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Criminalia. We are in the middle of
Speaker 1: talking about how fictional pirates may not always be fiction
Speaker 1: and how some allegedly real pirates are When it comes
Speaker 1: to fictional pirates, some weren't actually one works at fiction,
Speaker 1: some were inspired by real pirates. So let's talk about
Speaker 1: a few. Of course, we have to talk about Captain
Speaker 1: Jack Sparrow, everyone knows from the Pirates of the Caribbean films.
Speaker 1: We also know who he is the because that character
Speaker 1: is at the center of an entire series of films
Speaker 1: which have been hugely successful. So he's fictional, well, yes
Speaker 1: and no. Jack is an example of a fictional character
Speaker 1: who is not a complete work of fiction. He was
Speaker 1: inspired by a man named John Ward, a pirate known
Speaker 1: for pillaging and plundering in the Mediterranean, as well as
Speaker 1: for his complete lack of morals. John Ward's nickname was Sparrow,
Speaker 1: and it said that he had a swashbuckling, flamboyant style
Speaker 1: that all probably sounds familiar. We are unsure about whether
Speaker 1: or not he used eyeliner like Jack Sparrow, though, although
Speaker 1: certainly we've heard that it would help with the sunlight
Speaker 1: in your eyes. We should also mention that a minority
Speaker 1: of people consider the inspiration for Jack Sparrow to have
Speaker 1: been Captain Calico Jack. It does seem more likely to
Speaker 1: have been John Ward. It's not out of the realm
Speaker 1: of possibility that there was a little combination of the
Speaker 1: two in the mix. While we're talking about pirates and Jargean,
Speaker 1: we have to mention the character of Hector Barbosa, who
Speaker 1: first appears in all of these movies, like every single one,
Speaker 1: he's in them. He said to have been a character
Speaker 1: inspired by the Barbarossa brothers. His character became so popular
Speaker 1: it's been included in these movies the Ride at Disneyland
Speaker 1: and at Disney World, along with Jack Sparrow. And then
Speaker 1: we're going to move on to talking about another film favorite,
Speaker 1: and that is the dread Pirate Roberts. Good night, Wesley,
Speaker 1: good work, sleepwell, I'll most likely kill you in the morning.
Speaker 1: The dread Pirate Roberts, known for that quote, is a
Speaker 1: well known pirate from both the novel The Princess Bride
Speaker 1: written by William Goldman and its film adaptation, which was
Speaker 1: directed by Rob Reiner. We know he never leaves captives alive,
Speaker 1: and we know that he isn't just one man. There's
Speaker 1: a succession of individuals who go on to take the
Speaker 1: name and reputation when the previous dread Pirate Roberts is
Speaker 1: ready to retire from piracy, although they do not all
Speaker 1: necessarily retired to Pedagonia. And the dread Pirate Roberts is
Speaker 1: and is not a work of fiction. His identity was
Speaker 1: created from a handful of other fictional characters, but the
Speaker 1: inspiration for the character came from a famous and real pirate,
Speaker 1: Black Bart. Black Bart, a nickname which is believed to
Speaker 1: actually never have been used during his lifetime, was a
Speaker 1: Welsh pirate named Bartholomew Roberts. The real Roberts attacked and
Speaker 1: looted vessels around the America's in West Africa and is
Speaker 1: considered to be the most successful pirate of the Golden
Speaker 1: Age of piracy. The Caribbean and the North American coasts
Speaker 1: were very active during this time, and it's a time
Speaker 1: which is associated with the colonization of the America's as
Speaker 1: well as the Atlantic slave trade, and that's where the
Speaker 1: real Roberts rated ships. He was also known as a
Speaker 1: side note for adopting an early version of the skull
Speaker 1: and crossbones flag. And then there is the famous and
Speaker 1: unforgettable launch on Silver. It's also the name of an
Speaker 1: American chain of fast food restaurants. Yes, if you haven't
Speaker 1: thought about that. However, Long John Silver is actually, at
Speaker 1: least in original form, a character from the book Treasure Island,
Speaker 1: and he is really the ultimate stereotype of a pirate, right.
Speaker 1: He's got the wooden peg leg. He's got a chatty
Speaker 1: parrot on his shoulder. The book's author, Robert Louis Stevenson,
Speaker 1: has been quoted saying that Long John Silver had been
Speaker 1: based on one of his best friends, the poet William
Speaker 1: Ernest Henley, who he found to be quote astoundingly clever.
Speaker 1: Stevenson went on to describe the character Silver as quote
Speaker 1: tall and strong. He was missing a leg all the
Speaker 1: way up to his hip. And it's Henley who inspired
Speaker 1: that idea of the amputated leg. He himself had lost
Speaker 1: a leg from foot to hip to an extensive tuberculosis infection.
Speaker 1: It's Silver's character that gave us a lot of those
Speaker 1: pirate stereotypes, like Holly was talking about. If you would
Speaker 1: list them, most people would associate them with pirates. And
Speaker 1: this includes that shoulder parrot, the treasure map, the treasure map,
Speaker 1: the peg leg, the chest of buried treasure. These are
Speaker 1: things that no one can prove we're real, or if
Speaker 1: they were real, were related to real pirates. I'm sad
Speaker 1: about the treasure map. Although Stevenson himself has talked about
Speaker 1: William Ernest Henley as his inspiration for Long John Silver,
Speaker 1: a few actually consider the character to be based on
Speaker 1: two brothers who were pirates in the West Indies, and
Speaker 1: in that interpretation, the parrot and peg Leg are considered
Speaker 1: entirely fictional. It's no wonder, though, that this version that
Speaker 1: Stevenson and the movie created has cemented an inaccurate image
Speaker 1: of piracy in modern public consciousness. There have been more
Speaker 1: than fifty versions of Treasure Island made for film and television,
Speaker 1: the first appearing in nineteen eighteen, and if you haven't
Speaker 1: seen them up at version, you really should remedy that immediately.
Speaker 1: It came out in around the same time that topic
Speaker 1: of pirate Day was in its very early stage. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I always think of Treasure Island is like the film
Speaker 1: or story that tracks right along with the history of
Speaker 1: film because it started right there at the beginning. With
Speaker 1: that in mind, we're going to take a break for
Speaker 1: a word from our sponsor, and when we come back,
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about real pirates who turned out
Speaker 1: to be fictional. Welcome back to Criminalia. Finally, we're talking
Speaker 1: about pirates who were real until we learned that they
Speaker 1: weren't real. So we know that some of our most
Speaker 1: well loved and well known pirates, like Jack Sparrow and
Speaker 1: the dread pirate Roberts and long John Silver often are
Speaker 1: based at least a little bit in reality. But there
Speaker 1: are also pirates that we all thought were real, at
Speaker 1: least many people that were real, and then those were
Speaker 1: proven to in fact be fake, for instance Charlotte DeBerry,
Speaker 1: Jaccotte de la Haye, and Maria Lindsay, who all fit
Speaker 1: into this cat gregory. So let's get to talking about
Speaker 1: when real pirates turn out to be fictional and where
Speaker 1: they're very real seeming stories come from. If you believe
Speaker 1: the pirate lore. Charlotte was a female pirate who was
Speaker 1: supposedly born in sixteen thirty six, which was her right
Speaker 1: in the Golden Age of piracy, as she was old
Speaker 1: enough to practice that career, But modern scholars haven't confirmed
Speaker 1: any stories about her existence. Not one single story has
Speaker 1: been considered to be valid. Most of the tales about
Speaker 1: her are second hand news right no primary source accounts,
Speaker 1: and many historians don't believe that those second hand accounts
Speaker 1: are accurate or even true. Her history is allegedly that
Speaker 1: she went to see after she fell in love with
Speaker 1: a sailor disguised in men's clothing. She eventually climbed the
Speaker 1: ranks within the crew to become captain of the ship.
Speaker 1: You're wondering about the details of that story. Those details
Speaker 1: changed depending on who tells it. Some versions of her
Speaker 1: legend suggests that her crew at one point had to
Speaker 1: resort to cannibalism. Other versions suggests that when she was
Speaker 1: wounded during a fight and fell overboard, her crew blew
Speaker 1: up their own ship rather than be captured by another
Speaker 1: pirate crew. It was believed, we've talked about this before,
Speaker 1: that a woman on board a pirate vessel was inherently
Speaker 1: bad luck. And if that's a life aboard Charlotte's ship
Speaker 1: was like, she sure seems like she upholds that superstition,
Speaker 1: with all of the bad things that are supposed to
Speaker 1: have happened when she was at sea. That there are
Speaker 1: no known records of her until the first mentions of
Speaker 1: her in popular culture, which surfaced in eighteen thirty six,
Speaker 1: and that's two hundred years after her supposed birth. The
Speaker 1: earliest known reference to Charlotte, though it can be found
Speaker 1: in Edward Lloyd's Penny Dreadful called History of the Pirates.
Speaker 1: There's no evidence from her birth up until today that
Speaker 1: she ever existed as a real pirate though, or even
Speaker 1: just a real person. Her story sticks with us, probably
Speaker 1: because it's been passed along at least elements of it
Speaker 1: and other literature written at the same time as Lloyd
Speaker 1: was writing about pirates. Ultimately, it really does seem like
Speaker 1: he just made her up. You can also get into
Speaker 1: the weird headspace of that. Shure sounds a lot like
Speaker 1: the Elizabeth Swan story from Prior to the Caribbean, which
Speaker 1: makes a fictional pirate based on a pirate we thought
Speaker 1: was real fictional. I thund and around. We don't want
Speaker 1: to we don't want to break your brain. We are
Speaker 1: next going to move on to Jacott de la Haye, who,
Speaker 1: like Charlotte, is now considered to be a fictional pirate.
Speaker 1: Allegedly born the daughter of a Frenchman and a Haitian
Speaker 1: woman in the seventeenth century, it is said that her
Speaker 1: mother died in childbirth and her father was murdered. Some
Speaker 1: stories even at in the detail that she had a
Speaker 1: brother with some sort of intellectual disability so orphaned. This
Speaker 1: is when she turned to piracy, and the stories that
Speaker 1: mentioned her brother often suggests that she turned to this
Speaker 1: life at sea to make money to pay for his
Speaker 1: cave her. One of the most popular parts of her
Speaker 1: legend is that she faked her own death to escape
Speaker 1: those pesky government ships trying to capture and hang pirates. Allegedly,
Speaker 1: that's when she began using a male alias, and she
Speaker 1: may have lived disguised as a man for several years
Speaker 1: as well. Once she wasn't so high on the wanted list,
Speaker 1: she resurfaced and she became known as Back from the
Speaker 1: Dead Red and yes, that is because she had red hair.
Speaker 1: It's also said Back from the Dead Red lad a
Speaker 1: gang of hundreds of pirates and the crew took over
Speaker 1: a small Caribbean island, and that she died during a
Speaker 1: shootout several years later while she was defending that island,
Speaker 1: but again made up m h. And then we get
Speaker 1: to Maria lindsay. I do think it's interesting that all
Speaker 1: of our pirates we thought were real but turned out
Speaker 1: to be made up, were ladies, and there were more
Speaker 1: ladies that we could have talked about as well. There's
Speaker 1: clearly I have a theory to talk about at the end.
Speaker 1: So yeah, this story has the added bonus of managing
Speaker 1: to combine this exciting life of piracy with a romantic
Speaker 1: story of a passionate marriage that probably helps account for
Speaker 1: its popularity. So according to the legend, Maria was born
Speaker 1: in eighteenth century in Plymouth, England. She was the wife
Speaker 1: of a pirate captain named Eric Cobbam and Maria had
Speaker 1: been so captivated by Eric and his piracy when she
Speaker 1: met him that the pair married the day after they met,
Speaker 1: and then she joined his pirate crew, and then together
Speaker 1: they sailed to the America's what a honeymoon. Sometimes, according
Speaker 1: to some stories about her, when she and Eric captured
Speaker 1: another ship, Maria would tie the captain and some of
Speaker 1: the crew of that ship to her ships wind lass
Speaker 1: and then use them for target practice. Eric and Maria's
Speaker 1: crew are said to have followed a policy of leaving
Speaker 1: no survivors. Eventually, Maria and Eric retired to France with
Speaker 1: their looted money. There they settled down and started a family.
Speaker 1: Eric was asked to replace the late local magistrate, which
Speaker 1: made him a former pirate a judicial officer administering the law.
Speaker 1: But Maria couldn't shake her love of piracy, which led
Speaker 1: to her taking her life by drinking poison and throwing
Speaker 1: herself into the sea. But if you read other stories.
Speaker 1: It may have been Eric who poisoned her and through
Speaker 1: into the sea and then wrote a letter confessing to it.
Speaker 1: It really does depend on the version of the story
Speaker 1: that you're here to read, though, exactly who did what.
Speaker 1: So with all of this myth and exaggeration, just as
Speaker 1: the Golden Age was coming to an end, a man
Speaker 1: named Captain Charles Johnson published a very famous collection of
Speaker 1: the biographies of famous pirates. Johnson, which is a pseudonym
Speaker 1: that no one has actually figured out yet who the
Speaker 1: original writer truly was, wrote a general history of the
Speaker 1: robberies and murders of the most notorious pirates. He wrote
Speaker 1: that in sevent and it was full of the piraty
Speaker 1: details we all want. In fact, it secured the legends
Speaker 1: of several real pirates, including black Beard and black Bart.
Speaker 1: Pamphlets and other marketing strategies detailed the crimes and punishments
Speaker 1: that turned that book into a bestseller. Pirate popularity sored.
Speaker 1: Author Daniel Defoe too, wrote and published several pamphlets about
Speaker 1: pirates right around the time he completed his famous story
Speaker 1: of a shipwreck and that's Robinson Crusoe. That's just about
Speaker 1: the same time that Treasure Island came out, so in
Speaker 1: the Crusoe story, he is captured by North African pirates
Speaker 1: and later defends his island from English pirates, and that
Speaker 1: story too became a hit. This is where we're getting
Speaker 1: on why I think so many of these made up
Speaker 1: pirates are ladies. I think clearly some of the audience
Speaker 1: here was really eager to see women in those positions
Speaker 1: of adventure, and that's probably what led to so many
Speaker 1: of them kind of blossoming out of the creative minds
Speaker 1: of so many people, and all in the same period
Speaker 1: as well. So when it comes down to it, what
Speaker 1: do we really know about historical pirates, at least as
Speaker 1: a general group, turns out not a whole lot more
Speaker 1: than the stereotypes it might seem. You've got to kind
Speaker 1: of go case by case. Both pirate novels and Hollywood
Speaker 1: films would have you believe that pirates were swashbucklers, living
Speaker 1: this life of pleasure and freedom on the seas, collecting
Speaker 1: gold and only fighting when they had to or even
Speaker 1: if they just felt like it. But remember, as you
Speaker 1: celebrate talk like a Pirate Day, that real pirates could
Speaker 1: be violent and murderous. They definitely did not sing it's
Speaker 1: a pirate's life for me. So enjoy the holiday, but
Speaker 1: keep it light. Maybe don't engage in some of those activities.
Speaker 1: Maybe just stick to the Muppet version of piracy, which
Speaker 1: is pretty fun in my opinion. Maria, would you like
Speaker 1: to step into the groggery with me? I am coming
Speaker 1: into the girl. I'm pulling up my stool. I hear
Speaker 1: that there's a drink available today that I don't know
Speaker 1: anything about. Well, there are two, because I'm continuing my
Speaker 1: efforts to make sure we have both an alcoholic and
Speaker 1: nonalcoholic version. It okay, So a drink that comes up
Speaker 1: a lot if you do even cursory research on pirates
Speaker 1: is bumbo, absolutely right, and it's often associated with pirates
Speaker 1: largely because of that rum connection. Pirates may have drunk it.
Speaker 1: It actually has in terms of historical stories way more
Speaker 1: juicy stuff related to early elections in the United States
Speaker 1: and people applying murders with bumbo to get them a
Speaker 1: little bit wasted so they would vote with them. But
Speaker 1: there there is a standard version of bumbo, which is
Speaker 1: not what we're doing. But I want to give it
Speaker 1: to you so you understand where we're starting. Bumbo has
Speaker 1: like some spices like nutmeg, right or am I mistaken? Okay?
Speaker 1: That's why that drink stands out to me, because you
Speaker 1: know I can't pass that up some please, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: go ahead, we're gonna talk about it's okay. So if
Speaker 1: you look it up online, like this standard that you'll
Speaker 1: see a lot of the time is two ounces of rum,
Speaker 1: one ounce of water, a spoonful or two cubes of sugar,
Speaker 1: slightly different variations of measures of nutmeg and cinnamon. So
Speaker 1: often us many versions of this are served up so
Speaker 1: no ice, or it's warm so that that sugar dissolves
Speaker 1: and then it's served still kind of warm. No, thanks, doesn't.
Speaker 1: It doesn't appeal to me in a warm state at all.
Speaker 1: I was trying to imagine if it would be a
Speaker 1: good winter time. Does it turn into a good winter time? See?
Speaker 1: To me, like a yummy winter time punch has to
Speaker 1: involve a fruit, not just watered down rum. That's why
Speaker 1: it just is not very appealing to me. I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's hot rum with nutmeg on top, which some people
Speaker 1: might love, and no, no shade do you if that's
Speaker 1: your jam? But I thought it would be more fun
Speaker 1: to do a version that you could just throw together
Speaker 1: in your kitchen and it's coal, but also still because
Speaker 1: it does I keep the nutmeg and cinnamon. Mine is
Speaker 1: not very different, but I keep those because they're a
Speaker 1: good fault transition. Then I have some thoughts on them
Speaker 1: as well. So here is my version. You're gonna start
Speaker 1: with that two ounces of rum and a half ounce
Speaker 1: of simple syrup instead of doing granulated sugar or cubes.
Speaker 1: Because we're doing cold, so you want to be able
Speaker 1: to integrate it quickly. Throw in that nutmeg and cinnamon.
Speaker 1: I did a couple of shakes of my shaker for
Speaker 1: each one, and then I put those in a shaker
Speaker 1: and I shake without ice again, because you're trying to
Speaker 1: incorporate it in the cold will keep those things from
Speaker 1: coming together. I am not the biggest fan of spices
Speaker 1: floating in a drink unless it's something creamy like a dairy,
Speaker 1: which is why I'm like, shake the dickens out of
Speaker 1: this business incorporated as much as you can. They still
Speaker 1: won't break down. You'll still have some spice floating in there.
Speaker 1: But for me, if I give it a really nice
Speaker 1: shake to the point where it almost becomes a little
Speaker 1: frothy on its own, then it's a little better. And
Speaker 1: then I pour that over ice and I top it
Speaker 1: with club soda. You can certainly throw a garnish on there.
Speaker 1: You can throw a clove on a stick, or a
Speaker 1: little bit of lemon, whatever you wish. But that to
Speaker 1: me is a little yummier because the bubbles help. I
Speaker 1: just I don't like just a watered down liquor and
Speaker 1: to call it a dream some people love that, it's
Speaker 1: not for me, and that was pretty yummy. I will
Speaker 1: say this, keep in mind that's still a lot of rum,
Speaker 1: and it is a heavy hitter. Like I, I usually
Speaker 1: work on these before, like in the around lunch time
Speaker 1: before we come in and record in the afternoon, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I cannot finish this or I am
Speaker 1: going to be a sloppy, incapable mess when the actually
Speaker 1: recording this episode. I will tell you this, this is
Speaker 1: another one where the non alcoholic version was even yummier
Speaker 1: to me and which I will make again. And so
Speaker 1: this is exactly the same. The only thing that we're
Speaker 1: doing is instead of the rum, which we had two
Speaker 1: ounces of originally, I did one point five ounces of
Speaker 1: unsweetened apple juice. And half an ounce of almond syrup.
Speaker 1: I actually mixed those together before I mixed anything else.
Speaker 1: I don't know that you have to, just that's how
Speaker 1: I did it. I'd still kept the simple syrup so
Speaker 1: it does get sweeter, and the nutmeg and cinnamon. But
Speaker 1: I did the same thing, shaky, shake, shake or it
Speaker 1: over ice, put some club soda on top. That was
Speaker 1: a nice little refresher because I think the fruit helps
Speaker 1: make it better than just water. That's my thing, right,
Speaker 1: everything brings flavor to the table. Yes, yeah, yeah, So
Speaker 1: that was my take on bumbo, which was a fun experiment.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure this one would go into regular rotation,
Speaker 1: but I am glad I tried it, and should anyone
Speaker 1: want it? While at my house, I can throw together
Speaker 1: my version without too much concern. Here we are Pirate day.
Speaker 1: Let's drink bumbo. Everybody, give me your keys, because you're
Speaker 1: not leaving after a couple of these after take them
Speaker 1: away from me after one, safety first, or make the
Speaker 1: non alcoholic version and we can just move over to
Speaker 1: that accurate for start with it. Yes, that is my
Speaker 1: fictionalized version of Bumbo to go along with our fiction
Speaker 1: slash nonfiction Pirate discussion. Thank you so much for hanging
Speaker 1: out with us. We hope if you celebrate talk like
Speaker 1: a Pirate day, you have an absolute lass. If you
Speaker 1: dress the part, tag us on social media with hashtag
Speaker 1: Criminalia will see it and probably be delighted by it.
Speaker 1: Absolutely But be safe if you go out and you
Speaker 1: have a stay in and have any kind of party.
Speaker 1: If you have bumbo, be very careful. Don't drink and drive.
Speaker 1: Drink responsibly. Thank you again so much for spending this
Speaker 1: time with us and hanging out. We will be right
Speaker 1: back next week with a story of a real pirates
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