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Speaker 1: This is How Men Think with Brooks and Gavin de

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Speaker 1: grab and I heard radio podcast. Welcome to another episode

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Speaker 1: of How Men Think. My name is Brooks like and

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Speaker 1: unfortunately we do not have Gavin, We do not have

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Speaker 1: Rick Dmitri or Ryan with us today, but we do

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Speaker 1: have an incredibly special guest to have a really poignant,

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Speaker 1: um current and necessary discussion. And I want to welcome

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Speaker 1: to the show. He's a friend of mine. We've only

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Speaker 1: met a few times, but the times I have met him,

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Speaker 1: he is a man field with grace, grace and intelligence

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Speaker 1: and integrity and vibrates. This man has energy and I

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Speaker 1: want to welcome him to the show. He is the

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Speaker 1: host of Access, Hollywood, Access Daily, All Access and also

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Speaker 1: NBC's hit series World of Dance. Undoubtedly you have seen

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Speaker 1: his beautiful face on television. Mr Scott Evans, have you

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Speaker 1: ever heard of ac Man blush? If yeall? Have you?

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Speaker 1: If you, I don't know, maybe it's just maybe it's

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Speaker 1: just me, But rather think it is so good to

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Speaker 1: be here, so good to thank you for for um,

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Speaker 1: for initiating this conversation. You know what I mean. I

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Speaker 1: think there's there's something even to be said in the

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Speaker 1: um in the unknowing how to perfectly um or or

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Speaker 1: what to say exactly, but the initiation UM, taking that

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Speaker 1: first step. Brother, I, I appreciate you for for for

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Speaker 1: miss an opportunity to really have the kind of conversations

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Speaker 1: that are uncomfortable perhaps UM, but I said, are so necessary,

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Speaker 1: especially where we find ourselves right now. By one, we

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Speaker 1: just spoke before we started this podcast. But we just spoken.

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Speaker 1: I just said, I commend you, um one, I just

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Speaker 1: sent you love. This is what I've been doing with

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Speaker 1: all people of color in my life. I have just

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Speaker 1: been reaching out and just saying I love them. I

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Speaker 1: love them as friends, as human beings. I love the

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Speaker 1: impact and service that they have given to my life

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Speaker 1: and how they have touched my life. UM. And then

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Speaker 1: also I commend you as well for coming on to

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Speaker 1: have this discussion. Like you said, this is a very

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Speaker 1: sensitive issue, but it's a very necessary issue. It's a

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Speaker 1: vital issue. It's one that we must address, UM and

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to one listening to you, Scott. I.

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Speaker 1: I've also been doing that, reaching out to people. As

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Speaker 1: I understand, I'm a white I'm a I'm a Canadian,

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Speaker 1: and I'm a white man. I'm a white male from Canada.

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Speaker 1: I grew up in rural Canada. We maybe had two

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Speaker 1: or three Native Americans living in our town, but the

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Speaker 1: nearest the nearest black person would have been about two

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Speaker 1: kind of I didn't even know racism where I grew up.

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Speaker 1: But my parents taught me to love everybody, and so

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Speaker 1: when I didn't look to a bigger center, my hometown

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Speaker 1: to a bigger center, I was very easily able to

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Speaker 1: adopt any person into my life because they have a heartbeat,

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Speaker 1: they are of the human race. I never saw them

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Speaker 1: as different. I loved our diversity and celebrated our diversity,

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Speaker 1: and I've always lived my life like that. Um And

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Speaker 1: I want to say, just off the top, that I

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Speaker 1: am vehemently opposed to any and all forms of racism.

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Speaker 1: And I want to also say that I'll never understand

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Speaker 1: what somebody who experiences racism really goes through, but I

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Speaker 1: will say I want to listen more in this conversation

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Speaker 1: than I speak. I am here to listen to you, Scott,

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Speaker 1: to share, to open this up to have this to

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Speaker 1: be a platform for you to share your experiences, your

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Speaker 1: outlooks and educate me on how I and assist and

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Speaker 1: support the movement to drive lasting change. Yeah. Well, first,

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Speaker 1: I think first, even without necessarily being asked a question,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, necessarily, maybe the rhetorical questions, maybe the

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Speaker 1: questions you um are prepared to answer could answer. I

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Speaker 1: we keep coming to this conversation. We keep coming to

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Speaker 1: these kinds of conversation with this underlying feeling of like,

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Speaker 1: I mean that the city is it's like we can

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Speaker 1: so like, thank you for just being existing, you know,

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Speaker 1: like thank you for being out there. Um, I'm just

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Speaker 1: and I don't I don't mean just black people. I

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Speaker 1: don't mean black people. I mean we humans need to

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Speaker 1: know that that is like this should be the default. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've had some conversations with my mom lately,

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Speaker 1: I mean. I've I've had conversations with a group of

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Speaker 1: various situations. Yes, I agree with you. I agree with

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Speaker 1: just said there, right, I agree that it's so two things.

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Speaker 1: just want to end racism. We need to be anti racism.

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Speaker 1: We need to seek we need to seek and dismantle racism.

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Speaker 1: It's not just enough to say I'm opposed and I'm

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Speaker 1: We need to seek out and dismantle systemic racism or

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Speaker 1: racism in any form that exists in society. What does

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Speaker 1: How do how does that? When you're right? Like, that's that?

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Speaker 1: That's the idea that it is. It is more than

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Speaker 1: it's way more than that. But like for for you

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Speaker 1: this anti racism shift. Yeah, that's a one, Scott. I

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Speaker 1: I've been doing that with people in my community, but

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Speaker 1: I have not yet then figured out where to go

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Speaker 1: with this next This podcast is coming up, so I've

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Speaker 1: been reading a lot, I've been digesting a lot of information.

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Speaker 1: But now I'm even myself. I'm looking for my next step,

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Speaker 1: as in, what can I do, like I said, to

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Speaker 1: seek and dismantle racism, And so truthfully, a lot of

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Speaker 1: people are posting on their Instagram, Um, you can donate here,

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Speaker 1: you can sign this petition. You know, here's some politicians

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Speaker 1: I wanted to vote my time and resources too, I

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Speaker 1: don't know which direction to go with it yet. UM.

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Speaker 1: And that's just being fully honest and transparent. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot coming at us right now, in which is great.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of people trying to help, UM. But

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Speaker 1: I want to just let people in my community, my friends,

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Speaker 1: I support them, I stand with them, UM, and then

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Speaker 1: I'll figure out what sort of action comes from here.

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Speaker 1: So I apologize, I don't have more to give you

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Speaker 1: think you then get busy with UH. And after you

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00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 1: look at yourself and after you let the people who

431
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: are in your life know that you love them and

432
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 1: that you were there for them and that you support them,

433
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: I think then you get active in supporting them. And

434
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: that doesn't necessarily mean UM signing a petition or UM

435
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: writing a letter to UM a local official. It could,

436
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: and it's and and if it does, it is helpful.

437
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: But it absolutely does mean that the next time you're

438
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: on a plane and a person, a white person says

439
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: to the black person approaching their seat in first class,

440
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: are right, this is first class? Are you lost? Excuse me?

441
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 1: That's actually highly highly insensitive and inappropriate. Yeah. I mean

442
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 1: if it were as you would if it were your

443
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: significant other or your brother. YEA true, very true. That

444
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: its I don't know if it's a quote from the Bible,

445
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: but it's a quote I remember. Evil only triumphs at

446
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: the indifference of good men. Exact and exactly what you're

447
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 1: saying there. It's it's the same with anything else, I

448
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 1: mean any other form. If if somebody was mistreating a lady,

449
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: somebody would step up. You know, you're mistreating anybody, people

450
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: would step up, And and we need to do it

451
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: in any form of racism as well. I agree with

452
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: you completely and certainly I hope people are on high

453
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: alert to make that change and be bold enough to

454
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: inject themselves two to bring awareness to what happens when

455
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: those instances arise again, because we're all after the same thing.

456
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: We want to end it, you know. And so I like,

457
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: if I say anything on this call, even Scott, please

458
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: make me aware of anything that I'm like that I

459
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: might have said that might even I'm not aware of. Yeah,

460
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: of course I'm asking my friends to make me aware

461
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: of any actions that might even be walking the line

462
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: of potentially you know. Um, I don't want to say

463
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: it's not racist, but it is in a way. I

464
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: don't know, it's discriminatory. The better word for me, I

465
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: just I don't know why. Um, now call it what

466
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: it is. Call it what it is. And and and

467
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: I say that to say it should make you uncomfortable,

468
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: it should be. It should the word should be a

469
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: word that, when in your mouth makes you, makes it

470
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: feel gritty and makes you want to brush your teeth

471
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: and makes you want to like it should affect you.

472
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: It's it's absolutely should. We can't become desensitized. We can't.

473
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: We can't seek comfort before we see healing, right, we

474
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: can't seek to be to be soothed before we're willing

475
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: to address why we're hurting in the first place. You

476
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, and so call it exactly what

477
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: it is, call it and and and be mad and

478
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: said that that's what it is, and that's what it

479
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: feels like. UM. One of the things that I have

480
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: I've noticed is um uh like the kind of quiet

481
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: support that's happening with people right like it's it's kind

482
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: of behind the door, behind the closed doors. I think

483
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: there's there's some there's some UM insecurity wrapped in it,

484
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: or expect in some in security. I think some of

485
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: it is also just wanting to be UM sensitive to

486
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: people's thoughts and feelings and maybe even what they're um

487
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: you know, particularly on social media with their social with

488
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: their followers may think or how that conflict. But one

489
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: of the things that I heard that was it was

490
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: like game changing for UM. The requirement that I made

491
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: of my friends because it did. It did end up

492
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: like before it even they had the opportunity to mess

493
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: it up. I just said, this is what it's gonna be.

494
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: And if you can't do this, then then we need

495
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: to take a step back from our friendship because this

496
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: is not what I thought it was. But the reason

497
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: why we want people to be. The reason why you

498
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: want people to be loud about what they feel and

499
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: about what they uh, the support that they have, and

500
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: the and the acknowledgement of where we are and their

501
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: desire their commitment to expanding their awareness is because people

502
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: who are actively racist are super loud. Yeah you know

503
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like I go through my d ms

504
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: on Instagram and don't even open the messages. I just

505
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,959
Speaker 1: delete them, Like you wouldn't believe how many messages might

506
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: over the last two weeks and just simply saying black

507
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,239
Speaker 1: lives matter, how many messages that I've got not just

508
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: with all lives matter, but that with in word to

509
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: me and so yeah, and so the reason why the

510
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: reason why I was like, you gotta, I don't want

511
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: you to just call me and then that's your phone call.

512
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: I want you to get on social media and say,

513
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: I just had this conversation with a friend of mine

514
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: and it was difficult for us. You know, it brought

515
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: up some things from there how they didn't even know

516
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: they were dealing with. And it made me emotional to

517
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: know they've been potentially hurting this way and I didn't

518
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: even know that hurt for them. Because I think other

519
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: white people need to see, okay cool, So this is

520
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: I can expect that, Okay cool, this is not out

521
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: of the norm. Okay cool, We're all doing this and

522
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:27,239
Speaker 1: that's amazing. Wow. I like it you're bringing about like

523
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: you're you're bringing about emotions in me, Scott, because it's

524
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: breaks my heart that you get d ms from people

525
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: that don't know you, because I know you and your

526
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: vibrance is the world needs more of it. And people

527
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,719
Speaker 1: d M you that do not know you, have not

528
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: met you, trying to tear you down. It breaks my heart,

529
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: like it's it's my my blood is rushing, like I

530
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: almost want to almost want to cry. Yeah, I just

531
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: I've stopped crying at the N word because it's like

532
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: you don't have anything better, you don't have anything true,

533
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: Like come on, that's that's the best you've got, but

534
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: it is it's disheartening because that's the response to um

535
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: the desire for like significant change in that people's lives

536
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: just be met with respect, you know what I mean,

537
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: That people's lives just be met with UM, the mutual

538
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: kind of um uh care and consideration that you would

539
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: give any human being, that any human being deserves right.

540
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: And so yeah, it's it's it's unreal. It's unreal, but

541
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: it's also like not unreal, you know what I mean. Yeah,

542
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,959
Speaker 1: I UM exactly what you're saying. Like, I had a

543
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: terrific conversation with two dear friends of mine last night,

544
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: UM and he said he's been praying to God to

545
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: see the world through God's eyes. He's been praying it's

546
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: just saying, take away my bias, take away my perspective,

547
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: take away my experience, and let me see the world

548
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: through your eyes. And I just thought that was so powerful.

549
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,760
Speaker 1: And I've been just thinking on that for the last

550
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: twelve or fourteen hours. In how do where I was raised,

551
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: who I was raised by, the culture, society, the demographic

552
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: where I was raised, How does all of that shape

553
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: so deeply my perspective on the world and on people

554
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,280
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to actively even undo that, to see

555
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: the world in a just and true, more truthful way

556
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: without my only interpretation of it, you know. Um. But

557
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 1: I don't know where that's going for me yet, Scott.

558
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: But I also I also want to, I just I

559
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: want to have that kind of a a grace when

560
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 1: perceiving things while maintaining the fire to make change because

561
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: I know the world is not right. Does that make

562
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: sense that I can choose myself to make myself feel better,

563
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: you know, by looking at the world like that? But

564
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: I want to. I want to, you know, through God's eyes,

565
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: I believe everything is equal and every life matters, and

566
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: and so I want to see the world that way.

567
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,479
Speaker 1: But I also want to be very current and very

568
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: present with the topic at hand. That black lives matter. Yeah,

569
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, so it's so the you know. One

570
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 1: of the one of the criticisms of black Lives Matter,

571
00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: as commentary hashtag and um voice to the the the

572
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: movement is the one of the typical responses is all

573
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: lives matter or blue lives matter. And it's like, of course, right,

574
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: of course, all lives matter. And if you believe that

575
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: all lives matter, black is included in that right and

576
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: it was it was described this kind of way, and

577
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 1: it made a lot of sense. And this may be

578
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: redundant for for people who listen to your show, because

579
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: I feel like, in order to even come here, you

580
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: have a certain level of awareness, a certain level of

581
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: um um uh grace that you give not only self,

582
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: your significant others, but those around you. You know what

583
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: I mean. The kinds of conversations you have on this

584
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: radio show, um on this podcast reflect that kind of

585
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: growth um so you know, one of the one of

586
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: the So in order to even come to this show,

587
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: I think you have to have a certain level of

588
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: awareness and you deal with people in a certain level

589
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: of grace. So this may not be a message specifically

590
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: to them, but perhaps maybe a tool to use when

591
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: they when they see other people responding All lives matter

592
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: to those who say and believe understanding by Black Lives

593
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: Matter as a movement and believe if you were on uh,

594
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: if you were in the armed forces and you're let's

595
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: say you're at war, you're on the battlefield and as

596
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: a medic you go to um heal or address the

597
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: needs of a wounded soldier right he's on the ground

598
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: he's got a hole in his chest, and he is

599
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: he needs rapid help immediately. If while you were going

600
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: to UM give him the attention that was necessary, someone

601
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 1: grabbed your hands, stops you and said, but wait, wait,

602
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: all soldiers need help. That is the kind of energy,

603
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 1: that is the kind of interruption that the all lives

604
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:03,760
Speaker 1: matter response um UH shares because of course all of these,

605
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 1: all of the soldiers on this battlefield, and any soldier

606
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 1: ever matter, would need help, deserve healing. But at this

607
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: point I'm looking at the one who needs it right

608
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,280
Speaker 1: in front of me, and so why not medicate myself

609
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: in the belief that all soldiers matter, that this one

610
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: does too, and in particular right now, because I'm standing

611
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 1: here with an opportunity to serve. Yes, yeah, you know,

612
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: I agree. I agree with you completely. Another example of

613
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: that that I heard it if you go that you

614
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: went to a a UM fundraiser for breast cancer, somebody

615
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 1: wouldn't stand up and say, yeah, but what about lung cancer?

616
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: You know, you know, you're like, yeah, well that matters too,

617
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: of course it does. But we're here tonight to raise

618
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: funds for breast cancer. And so I agree with you,

619
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: and I believe that. Yeah, And it's just bringing awareness

620
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: to like I believe that. I don't believe that the

621
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: people who are saying all lives matter are are bad

622
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: people are are inherently trying to two um water down

623
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: the Black Lives Matter um uh like movement. But yeah,

624
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: because I know people in my old life that have said,

625
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: I know, like I know people are saying all lives matter.

626
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 1: And then when you share that sentiment, it's like, yes,

627
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: all lives matter. We can all agree on that. Nobody

628
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: ever said, nobody ever said they didn't like that. That's

629
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: the thing, though, Brooks like, it may not be their intention.

630
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 1: It may not be one's intention to water or muddy

631
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: or um distract from the conversation the moment that we

632
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: find ourselves in now, but it does. It is an

633
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: interruption of building uh you know what I mean, um

634
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,439
Speaker 1: of energy. And so you know, it's like it's like,

635
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: of course, and but now what it's like when we

636
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: when we're having the conversations about the protests that I

637
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 1: was in, I walked. I walked at this protest gathered

638
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: in California. Um, it was it gathered a block away

639
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: from my house, and then it got on the move. Now,

640
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: did I know it was gonna get on the move? No?

641
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: But did I get on the move with it as

642
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: it got yes? Um? Yeah. You know I watched people

643
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: talk about, Um, I watched the narrative shift from the

644
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: reason why people were protesting to um, the looters and

645
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: the violence, and it was like, yeah, it is unfortunate

646
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: that these people who own these these businesses, these these

647
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: uh people who own this real estate, this property, it

648
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 1: is damaged or destroyed. Yeah, but that doesn't deserve more

649
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: a commentary and coverage and energy then the reason why

650
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,959
Speaker 1: people are protesting in the first place. It's like we

651
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: we we rushed to address the symptom, you know what

652
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: I mean, Um, we rushed to address the the We

653
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: put a band aid over a open wound, you know.

654
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: Um yeah, Yeah. There's been a lot of attention on

655
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: the There's been a lot of attention on the effect,

656
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: not the cause, not the cause, not the cause, because

657
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: that then that then separate that can that's in way

658
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: out right, Like that's that's your opportunity to be like, well,

659
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 1: they're they're looding, So I'm done. That's it's violent and

660
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: I don't agree with violence, and so I'm I'm I'm

661
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: out of this fight. And it's like, well, if you

662
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: don't agree with violence, and certainly you don't agree with

663
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: the lives being lives people people's lives being ended the

664
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,439
Speaker 1: way that they have, and certainly that is the reason

665
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: why we're here in the first place. So you know,

666
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: it's just like, at some point, I think the shift

667
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 1: has to go from here is my here is only

668
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: mult effective. Here's what I think and what I think

669
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: is right because I think it, and instead what can

670
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: I do to help? Instead of the place of even

671
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: I have to understand it all right away? Um uh,

672
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: it has to also be my walk, right, Maybe it

673
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: can just simply be what can I do to help? Man,

674
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: I'm writing, I'm writing so much of this down, so

675
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 1: much of what you said, I'm writing down because they're

676
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,399
Speaker 1: just You're just You're drain of three pointers. My man.

677
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 1: You ship, um you are you are on inspired Like um,

678
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: I wrote this down. I've just been circling it. We

679
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: can't seek comfort before we seek healing. Like I just

680
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,240
Speaker 1: I thank you so much because I'm learning so much

681
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: and I just listening to you talk. I wanted to

682
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: write down this question or ask you this question. I

683
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: want to ask you this question because I want to

684
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: gain more insight and more understanding, and so I want

685
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: to ask you a truthful, hard question. UM, what is

686
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 1: the hardest part of being a black person in America?

687
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: What is truthfully the hardest part. I'm going to share

688
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: something with you that, UM, I don't know how I'm

689
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: going to be able to necessarily get them already getting there,

690
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: I don't know how I'm going to be able to

691
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: get through it without um, yeah, becoming undone, because it is,

692
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: it is incredibly UM. It's tied to the core of everything,

693
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:21,959
Speaker 1: this requirement of us to change how we handle each other. UM.

694
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: I was interviewing this woman, h Lauren, her last name

695
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: is escaping me right now. I was interviewing this woman

696
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: who had put out this video UM that has since

697
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: gone viral, and she talked about the question that the

698
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 1: primary question in the video was when did my baby

699
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: become a threat? Right? And so she had these young people,

700
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 1: these little kids, these little boys, these little black boys, UM,

701
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 1: asking when did I become a threat to you? When

702
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: did I When did my little cuteness become something that

703
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 1: was returning to you in a way that my life

704
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: didn't matter, um, And so in this conversation, I was

705
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 1: saying to her, you know, when did this even start

706
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: for you? Like this is you? It was it seemed

707
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: like a rapid response to what what we're what we're

708
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: dealing with, and what we're More and more people are seeing,

709
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 1: maybe for the first time. How where did this come

710
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: from for you? Her son is three and a half

711
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: years old, and she was talking about being trying to

712
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: take a breath. She was talking about being in the

713
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: doctor's office when the their their doctor told them the

714
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,919
Speaker 1: gender the sex of their child, and she had been

715
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: hoping and praying and wishing for a girl, and when

716
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: the doctor told her that she was having a boy, Um,

717
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: she starts to cry. And her husband was like, baby, no,

718
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: it's good, kind of comfortable. Baby, No, We're good. We're

719
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: having how fee beautiful baby bullen crying And she said

720
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: to him, I'm crying because how we're on earth? Are

721
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna him? How on earth are we going to

722
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 1: keep him safe? This world is not kind, this world

723
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 1: is not does not see him, will not see him

724
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:33,439
Speaker 1: this way? What are we gonna do? And to hear

725
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: a black mom as a black son to a black mom,

726
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: a single black mom. I can't imagine. It just made

727
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: me go back through all of the conversations my mom

728
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 1: my MoMA had about don't be out too late, or

729
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: don't drive on that side of town, or who all

730
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: is gonna be there or all of those questions. I

731
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 1: was like, mom, why are you tripping so hard? You

732
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: did now and you asked me, what is the hardest

733
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: part about being black in America? It is It is

734
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 1: the constant fear and the need to constantly reassure yourself

735
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 1: that you're gonna be okay. You need to be alert,

736
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: you need to be aware, but you're gonna be okay.

737
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: I hope you're gonna be okay, and nobody should have

738
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: to me. You know, when when a mod are Y

739
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: was um uh murdered on a run, black people did

740
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: what black people always do when stories like this hit mainstream.

741
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 1: We share it and then we adjust. I was talking

742
00:47:56,320 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: to Kei Drin Bryant, this young boy who sang I

743
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: just want to Live, a song that has since also

744
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: gone viral and shared written by his mom. After a

745
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: prayer um of what do I do? What can I

746
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: do with the gift that you have given me to

747
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: help in this moment after learning of George Floyd's death.

748
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: She told me that when um Ahmad Aubrey died, her son,

749
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 1: who is a track athlete and often runs around the

750
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 1: neighborhood to get his and keep his endurance up, especially

751
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: and while we're in quarantine, keep his endurance of his

752
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: activity up and his speed training going. She told him

753
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: he would only run in front of their house. He

754
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: could only run hundred meters in the culta sac and

755
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: that she needed to be sitting outside with him, watching him,

756
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: somewhere she could see him. And she realized that like

757
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 1: after a few days of that, here we are again

758
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: adjusting our existence out of fear of death while the

759
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: men responsible. At that point we're free. And so you know,

760
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: there there are I don't I don't think myself a victim.

761
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: I don't think myself a um a person who is

762
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: unable to reach goals and the my heart's desires. I

763
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: also realized that as a privilege that I have that

764
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: is not afforded to every black boy, That that mindset,

765
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: that thought process is not, unfortunately the process of every

766
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:05,760
Speaker 1: black kid. So if if if I had to try

767
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: to articulate, the hardest part is that it it is.

768
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: It seems that we often just have to continue to

769
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: adjust to what is a worsening and maddening experience of

770
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: being black in this country. Scott. That is thank you

771
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: for sharing. It is thank you for your courage, thank

772
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 1: you for your honesty and your openness, your willingness to share.

773
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: I just sat here listening, just listening, and just trying

774
00:50:54,719 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: my best to understand, just listening. Um, okay, and I

775
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 1: the magnitude I don't I don't know that as a

776
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: white person, I will ever be able to grasp the

777
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:17,320
Speaker 1: magnitude of those feelings and emotions and had the weight

778
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 1: of that. You know, I truly don't believe I'll ever

779
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: be able to understand. Um, but I feel you my

780
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 1: friends like I feel you. I feel your hurt, and

781
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,240
Speaker 1: other dear friends that I've spoken to, I can feel

782
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: their hurt. And this is making me amotion right now. Um.

783
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 1: I just I hate it. I hate it. I hate

784
00:51:50,760 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: when people hurt. I just hate when people hurt. Mhm.

785
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: Your inspiring being press here, if you're really inspiring me

786
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:15,399
Speaker 1: with your words and your story to be better for you,

787
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: my friend, for you, for my other friends of color,

788
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 1: and for every person to any person, any person on earth,

789
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: deserves a fair shake, deserves equality, deserves you toity, deserves

790
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: appreciation and love. Yeah, Scott, Wow, he changed me. Thank you?

791
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 1: Are you still there? Yeah, man, I'm here. I'm just

792
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 1: you know, it's um, it is it's um. It's a

793
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: I can't pretend that I am not a black man

794
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: talking to a white man about this and hearing you

795
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 1: say how much this hurts you to to know and

796
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: to hear and to even try to understand, Like that's

797
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: a that like that's um, this is probably this may

798
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:34,280
Speaker 1: sound weird, but like that even that is like shocking,

799
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: and not that you feel that way, but that like

800
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 1: this white man is willing to step out of what

801
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 1: he thinks, he knows, what he sees as his reality,

802
00:53:55,000 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: to acknowledge the reality of another, and to be willing

803
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: to say, even in my sincere effort, that I'm I'm

804
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: I probably have gotten it wrong in the past, and

805
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: that I am committed to doing right better in the future.

806
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: You know. That's um, that's not that's not an easy

807
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: While it's the desire, it's still a hard thing to take,

808
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: still a hard thing to think about. Like that's where

809
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 1: here is where we are you know that here is

810
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 1: where we are, um, And so I just I would, man,

811
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 1: I would just urge you with your with your sincerity,

812
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: in your authenticity and your awareness and your ability to

813
00:54:56,719 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 1: show up as your whole self and not this idea

814
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: of who you should be happened in the past or

815
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 1: what you might stand for, to really live that and

816
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:17,800
Speaker 1: when you see ain't right, address it in the moment,

817
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 1: in the face of it, and and and call out

818
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: how uncomfortable it may be, how unwilling you are and

819
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: allowing it to continue, and that this is not how

820
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 1: a person should be treated. Yeah, yeah, yeah, man, I

821
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,320
Speaker 1: just want to give you a hug. Dude. I wish

822
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: I'm shure I could just give you a giant hug

823
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 1: right now. You are a light, my friend. You are

824
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: a source of joy, and you are a lighthouse for

825
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: boats to find. You are just like you are. If

826
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:05,280
Speaker 1: I knew this is gonna be powerful, um, when Danielle

827
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 1: and Amy and Torry told me that you were going

828
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,320
Speaker 1: to come on, because I know our our history as brief,

829
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: but I also think I have a very good gradar

830
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: at sometimes for people, and and I knew this was

831
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:21,399
Speaker 1: gonna be because you're always thoughtful one, You're always I'd

832
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 1: like to do another show with you because this has

833
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: been a really heavy and like and because I want

834
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: people to know the members of our community who you

835
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: may not know you, I want them to know you.

836
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 1: Other slide of view that it's so lovable too, um,

837
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:40,280
Speaker 1: but man, just like you've you've opened my eyes so much,

838
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 1: and you've in a loving and gracious way challenged me

839
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 1: to be better, and not in just a not in

840
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 1: a selfish way, in a way in a you've done

841
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: it with such a grace of like, in a way

842
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 1: for humanity. Like truthfully, if that's what I desire, equality, unity,

843
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: respect and love across humanity, I need to be better. Um.

844
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 1: And it's okay, just even people listening to this, it's okay.

845
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 1: It's not okay that our past aren't perfect. There aren't.

846
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is we can be better. Don't

847
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: be don't let your future be defined by your past.

848
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: So even even if you've never been at a racist

849
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: bone in your body or anything like that, we can

850
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: still be better moving forward, you know, Like you said,

851
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: address things in real time, be proactive, do not stop

852
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: until this is dead and gone, you know. Um, You've

853
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 1: really Scott, You've really inspired me. I have a lot

854
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: to think about. I have a lot to learn and

855
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: continue to educate. But I feel like I know some

856
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 1: of the answers. But maybe is there any other way

857
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 1: that I'm not aware of? Or we have a discussed

858
00:57:55,760 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: that eye splash we can best support and serve the

859
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 1: mission mission of ending racism? Is there anything anything that

860
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: we haven't touched on yet where you're like, this is

861
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: a really powerful thing to be cause the sense of

862
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 1: awere off. We can take action here, this is what

863
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: we can do. I kind of just want to open

864
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 1: it to you too, um to offer some advice to us. Well, well,

865
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:27,959
Speaker 1: everybody drink yeah, um. Well, and the primarily because you ask,

866
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, Um, you know they're they're just in

867
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: a just in a in a moment or just a

868
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 1: moment ago. It can be something as as small as

869
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 1: as this, right, and a signal that's cast. And I

870
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: know your intention, I know what you were saying, and

871
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: I know what you I know what you mean, right.

872
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 1: But um, the invitation to come back, and I would

873
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: have I would love to come back. The these kinds

874
00:58:55,240 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 1: of conversations, whether they're wrapped in um, the the kind

875
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: of pleasantry of UH pop culture or or real significant

876
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: deep um social issues. I'm down whenever you want, I'm down, UM.

877
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 1: But even the invitation to come back to show my

878
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 1: more lovable side or the reason my lovable side and

879
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 1: sending us may send a signal to someone that this

880
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 1: somehow is not an act of love, that this conversation,

881
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 1: us sharing this moment right now could not be UM

882
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: love demonstrated right. And I know that you what you

883
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 1: were saying was I want to come back and have

884
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 1: some fun with you. I want to come back and

885
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 1: laugh with you, and and and joke with you, and

886
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 1: learn with you and grow with you talking about something

887
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: else and show a different slice of you, you know.

888
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: But this is like, this is um, this is like

889
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: the signific it can work. We've got to do right now.

890
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 1: And of course, man, yes, I will come back any time.

891
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 1: And I wasn't gonna say anything because I do know

892
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 1: that your intention was. But what I'm saying is that

893
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 1: it can be sometimes something that small where you could

894
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 1: be like, how do I say what I really mean? Um?

895
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 1: You know, how does that third grade teacher say what

896
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 1: I really mean? Because there's power in the words that

897
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 1: I say, and I love you and you like the

898
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 1: fact that you're even willing to have these conversations is

899
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 1: to me, Like for some people, I think they're they're like, well,

900
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 1: that's the base, that should be the bare minimum. But

901
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: I realized that sometimes getting back to the bare minimum

902
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: is a significant what I mean, a significant thing. Um.

903
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: But what I would also say to people who are

904
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 1: out there UM trying to figure out, like what's the

905
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 1: piece of advice is that like, like, we learned so

906
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 1: much of the other things that we become really aware of.

907
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 1: Like we like we seek knowledge in UH and practice

908
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 1: in other things we want to be champions of and

909
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 1: um the best at we practice. We UM educate ourselves.

910
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: We expose ourselves to opportunities to enhance our skill. Um UM.

911
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 1: We learn from those who have uh come before us

912
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 1: and are known as experts. We seek the council of

913
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:46,479
Speaker 1: coaches and um uh teammates and partners. UM. I would

914
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: urge anybody listening not to necessarily don't put the work

915
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 1: off on your black friends or your coworker and say,

916
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 1: what's the what are the books to read? Or um

917
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:07,479
Speaker 1: who should I vote for? Or uhum, what's the conversation here,

918
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 1: it's really about like how if you're gonna, if we're

919
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 1: if we're seeking to learn, then it's it's a process.

920
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 1: And be committed to the process, and include your black

921
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 1: friends in your process, but also include your white friends

922
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 1: in your process, your family members, your parents in that process.

923
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 1: Share what you're learning and the layers um of growth

924
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 1: and expanding that you're that you're experiencing. Like show people

925
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 1: where you are, be willing to be seen and learning. Yeah,

926
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 1: Like be willing to be willing to be seen in

927
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 1: learning because like, no one is expecting you to be

928
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 1: perfect in anything. You know, when you're when you're when

929
01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 1: you connect with a partner and you you decide you

930
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:02,440
Speaker 1: or you commit that this is this is where I'm

931
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 1: gonna be you or who I'm going to spend um

932
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 1: as the significant portion of my being and my energy

933
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:12,959
Speaker 1: and my effort. You demonstrate that. You don't just say

934
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 1: I'm an ally. Yeah, you demonstrate you demonstrate that moment.

935
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 1: I've always said, well done is I've always said and

936
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 1: always agreed with us, well done is better than wealth,

937
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 1: said boom baby. Always yeah, I've always agreed with that. Yeah. Yeah.

938
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 1: And the thing, the thing that I love about you,

939
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 1: Brooks is this is like, this is how I know

940
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 1: that to be true for you. You could have easily

941
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 1: when I said to you about the lovable personality part,

942
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 1: you could have easily been like, no, no, no, that's

943
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 1: not what I meant. That's not that's not what you didn't.

944
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 1: You didn't. It's not about you being right. It's not

945
01:03:56,640 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 1: about you, um proving me wrong or correcting me. You're

946
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 1: actively choosing to listen, actively choose. And it may have

947
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 1: been like you may have wanted to be like no, no, no,

948
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 1: of course that's not what I meant. But what you

949
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 1: allowed was for another person to hold that space and

950
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 1: just share yes, thank you stuff. Yeah um yeah. Manly,

951
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 1: I'm I'm on a journey. I'm on a journey to

952
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 1: really to really learn more, Like truthfully, it's important to

953
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 1: me and I hope to be a father one day

954
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 1: and I hope to have the world be a better

955
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:45,919
Speaker 1: place for them, you know, for for kids one day,

956
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 1: and to affect the world as it is today and

957
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 1: know that every life in across the world, every life

958
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 1: and especially black lives matter, like they just too. To

959
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 1: look at the world and feel that a human being

960
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 1: feels like or there are actions present in the world

961
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 1: that could make a human even think about that or

962
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 1: feel that way. Is just despicable to me, and it

963
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 1: literally breaks my heart. Like, dude, I don't know how

964
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 1: many shows we've done, maybe sixty seventy shows or something,

965
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 1: and that's only that. That's the second time I've cried

966
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 1: on this on this platform, on this show. One was um.

967
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 1: One was a while ago. We were talking about a

968
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 1: real some family stuff and um I cried. And then

969
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 1: this time we're hearing you speak. It just made me cry,

970
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 1: Like the emotions are real. And I think a lot

971
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 1: of it is, too, is sadness within myself that I

972
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 1: haven't been better, that I could do more. But there's

973
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:51,439
Speaker 1: an excitement and you've lit a fire under my ass

974
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 1: to do more, to be better for humanity, for black people,

975
01:05:57,240 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 1: you know, for I don't know, just ah, I have

976
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 1: so much energy now, Scott. You just wired me. You've

977
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 1: literally spun me up and wired me. Let's get to it, baby,

978
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 1: Let's get to it. You know that that's the that's

979
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 1: the hope, that's that's and that's the thing. I think

980
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 1: that is a real um uh signal to um this

981
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 1: being something different than what you know some of the

982
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 1: some of the situations that we've seen in the past.

983
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 1: I think that people are not only waking up to

984
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 1: the fact that, oh snap, this is happening, and it's

985
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 1: happening in a in a in a in a um

986
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 1: profound and and and uh far reaching way, and we

987
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 1: gotta do something different. And now people are actively doing

988
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:49,440
Speaker 1: something different. They're pulling in their friends. I'm seeing communities

989
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 1: come together that I never would have expected. I'm seeing

990
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 1: people pull their their peers and their loved ones and

991
01:06:55,440 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 1: their significant others um together and building some in beautiful

992
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 1: toward a better life for not only themselves, but for

993
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 1: for other people. And then like it's it's a it's

994
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 1: an inspiring thing. Some of the news will have you

995
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 1: believe it's it's one way. Some of the blogs will

996
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 1: have you believe it's A social media commentary will certainly

997
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 1: make you believe it is one way. UM. But yeah, man,

998
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 1: I love that. I love the challenge that you have

999
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:33,640
Speaker 1: have put forth to me, UM, And it was something

1000
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 1: that I challenged my community with on social media a

1001
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 1: couple of days ago. UM, was that it's not good enough.

1002
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:44,439
Speaker 1: It's not good enough for us to post a Martin

1003
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 1: Luther Queen or Martin Luther King quote anymore. It's not

1004
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 1: it's not good enough to post other people's comments and quote. UM.

1005
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 1: We need to inject our own voices. We need to speak,

1006
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 1: We need to educate ourselves, We need to learn more,

1007
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 1: to research more, to take the time to use our

1008
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 1: hearts and to speak and inject ourselves and our voices

1009
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:18,719
Speaker 1: and our actions into this movement. UM. I truthfully believe

1010
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 1: that now, more than ever, is starting to happen. And

1011
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 1: I truthfully believe that's the only path when we take

1012
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:31,559
Speaker 1: this as to an importance at the individual level versus

1013
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 1: just you know, I think it's an easy way to

1014
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 1: post somebody else's thoughts or something like that. But when

1015
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 1: we put our own hearts and minds behind it and

1016
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 1: our own sentiments, UM, it's impossible not to get drawn

1017
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:47,840
Speaker 1: into it further. You know, you were, You were drawn

1018
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:52,160
Speaker 1: into the fight when you really open your heart to it,

1019
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 1: to the injustice injustices present in the world. And so

1020
01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 1: I'm challenging myself with that, and I would love to

1021
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:03,719
Speaker 1: open that to the community as well, or how intank

1022
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:09,640
Speaker 1: community who are amazing and supportive, UM and engaging and

1023
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:11,720
Speaker 1: hope that people out there are listening to this and

1024
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 1: they have listened to you, Scott, and that they have

1025
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:16,880
Speaker 1: a fire lit under their asked as well to make

1026
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:22,800
Speaker 1: a difference to be better. Um man, you are. You

1027
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 1: are a force of good and a force of nature, Scott,

1028
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:32,640
Speaker 1: my brother. I appreciate that. But this's back at you

1029
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 1: man like it's it's not it's not. It's not easy

1030
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 1: to do what you're doing, you know what I mean.

1031
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 1: It's not easy to to say like WHOA, Okay, wait,

1032
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 1: what's my part? How do I? How do I? It's

1033
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:47,840
Speaker 1: just what's necessary. It's what's necessary. And if you're if

1034
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 1: you're able to as through the energy to really dive

1035
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 1: into a response to that question like what can I do?

1036
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 1: How can I be better than? You're a g You

1037
01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 1: know I'm saying thing you are? You are something uh

1038
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:06,800
Speaker 1: special out here and that's what we need. That is

1039
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 1: what we all need. And yeah, man, I just appecate

1040
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:13,720
Speaker 1: you have in this space, you and you holding this

1041
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:16,600
Speaker 1: space for this conversation and and participating in it the

1042
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 1: way that you have, you showing up uh emotionally available, UM,

1043
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 1: willing to listen, um and and course correct you know yeah,

1044
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 1: that's what that's about. UM. Right back to you, my friend,

1045
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:39,640
Speaker 1: you've you you're exponentially better at all of those things, UM,

1046
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 1: and so I appreciate you coming on for our listeners.

1047
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:47,640
Speaker 1: Are our community that UM are maybe hearing you for

1048
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 1: the first time? Where can they find more Scott Evans?

1049
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:52,720
Speaker 1: Where can they find where do you hang out the

1050
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 1: most on your social Where can they get in contact

1051
01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 1: with you? Follow your journey, your mission? UM? Where can

1052
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:02,639
Speaker 1: they find you? Scott? Well, right now, I'm on I'm

1053
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 1: on most social media platforms as I am Scott Evans,

1054
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:10,599
Speaker 1: as I am Scott Evans, and then UM ten PMS

1055
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:15,800
Speaker 1: on Tuesday, ten pm on Tuesday, UH for World to Dance, UM,

1056
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 1: and then also UH weeknights and weekdays on NBC UM

1057
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:29,040
Speaker 1: for Access, Hollywood Access Daily and All Access. So yeah, man,

1058
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 1: I'm around. How at me? Get at me? If you

1059
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:34,840
Speaker 1: have questions, if you disagree, UM, But if you disagree,

1060
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 1: be willing to come to a conversation where instead of

1061
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 1: proving your perspective, be willing to share a perspective. UM.

1062
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you've got to come willing to like Okay,

1063
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 1: I I don't I don't agree with you. But I'm

1064
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:57,760
Speaker 1: willing to learn. I'm saying, like, at minimum, be willing

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Speaker 1: to share in an experience aids in in a conversation.

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Speaker 1: But man, I so enjoyed this, I really have. I was.

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Speaker 1: I was nervous because I was like, please, don't say

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Speaker 1: nothing trazy on this man's radio show. You are so

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Speaker 1: emotional right now. No emotion is good, dude. Emotion is good.

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Speaker 1: Feelings are real, and feelings are powerful. Yeah, and change

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Speaker 1: is only going to come when when we agree that

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Speaker 1: we will not tolerate this anymore, that our emotions will

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Speaker 1: not tolerate a state of the world like this anymore.

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Speaker 1: Though they are powerful. And I appreciate you. You brought that.

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Speaker 1: That's that. I felt it through the phone. Dude. You

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Speaker 1: made me cry. Listening to you talk made me cry.

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Speaker 1: I feel you. Undoubtedly our listeners have felt that as well. So.

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Speaker 1: But man, um, I'm coming back to l a student.

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Speaker 1: I would love to see your face. I would love

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Speaker 1: to take you out for the State dinner or something

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Speaker 1: anything that. Please know that you have a brother in me.

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Speaker 1: I will be better for you, um, and always at

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Speaker 1: any time let me know however I may ever serve

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Speaker 1: your mission. Buddy, You're the man. I do appreciate you, brother,

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Speaker 1: I really do. Okay, dude, Um, everybody left his go

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Speaker 1: follow Scott stuff. Man, you just you're wonderful. You are

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Speaker 1: a wonderful human being, a gift to this world, my friend.

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Speaker 1: I hope to see you soon. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for taking the time. Um, and to all of our listeners,

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Speaker 1: take care of one another, love one another, and we'll

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Speaker 1: see you. Right back here next week for another episode

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