Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. We're all about
Speaker 1: that high school drama. Girl drama girl, all about them
Speaker 1: high school queens and forever. We'll take you for a
Speaker 1: ride in our comic girl Cheering for the right drama
Speaker 1: queens girl fashion. But you'll tough, girls, you could sit
Speaker 1: with us. Girl Drama, Queen's Drawn, m Queen's DRAWNA Queen's Drama,
Speaker 1: John mc Queen's Drama, Queen's You. Guys, we just finished
Speaker 1: watching episode two. Places we have come to fear the most, Um,
Speaker 1: I expect to be affected. Friends. We all cried at
Speaker 1: the end. I know what you were saying, like during
Speaker 1: the zoom, I mean when we were just watching the episode, Hillary,
Speaker 1: you were saying that you you're it's you're really realizing
Speaker 1: what it is that Um was capturing people's hearts, because
Speaker 1: you know, at the time when we were on the show,
Speaker 1: it's harder to it's harder to see because it's all
Speaker 1: mixed in with everything that we're experiencing behind the scenes too.
Speaker 1: So to just watch it back kind of pure, uh
Speaker 1: with fresh eyes is um. I'm getting it too. I'm
Speaker 1: starting to really get it. Yeah, And when you see
Speaker 1: it put together, you know, edited just right, and the
Speaker 1: music is just right, and it ends on that beautiful
Speaker 1: Gavin Degrass song What's so emotional? And and then Lucas
Speaker 1: turns and looks and says, your art matters again. Three
Speaker 1: choked up who admitted at first it's what got in first,
Speaker 1: I did. I'm such a crier. I just wow, I
Speaker 1: feel crazy, I'm crying. But it was such a you know,
Speaker 1: that's what was great about this show is that, like
Speaker 1: we were saying before, where everything now in this um
Speaker 1: genre is really heightened and high stakes and like that
Speaker 1: Riverdale Vampire Diaries, like sort of high concept stuff, the
Speaker 1: superheroes and all that, which is so great. I love
Speaker 1: those shows. But but we what we don't have a
Speaker 1: lot of right now is just um teenagers with an
Speaker 1: attention span that can like sit and watch. I guess
Speaker 1: maybe that's what it is. I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: lack of content or if it's just the fact that
Speaker 1: the world has changed, But it seems harder to sell
Speaker 1: this kind of a show now that it did then.
Speaker 1: But back then, like all you all you needed was
Speaker 1: the very genuine, real um emotion of the human experience
Speaker 1: and something that's simple of the struggle of somebody wanting answers,
Speaker 1: and how they built it up the whole episode until
Speaker 1: the end when it's just one small, vulnerable moment and
Speaker 1: he just says that one thing to you, your art matters.
Speaker 1: It's what got me here. You didn't have to say that,
Speaker 1: but it was vulnerable, and it's exactly what every teenage
Speaker 1: girl wants a cute boy to turn and say something
Speaker 1: vulnerable and meaningful to her. I mean immediately I was
Speaker 1: like sixteen again, like, oh my god, I just want
Speaker 1: that well, And I think what's really interesting is it
Speaker 1: in a way that that never goes away, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: y'all we grow up and then we realize inside of
Speaker 1: us are still scared kids everything like this show. I
Speaker 1: think so, maybe because one thing I will say is
Speaker 1: I get what you mean. Like these high concept shows
Speaker 1: have really evolved now, but people are still watching our show.
Speaker 1: And I think it's because at the root of it,
Speaker 1: it gave a bunch of people permission to be scared,
Speaker 1: to be vulnerable, to beings, to feel feelings, and like,
Speaker 1: no matter in what ways they might have been succeeding,
Speaker 1: or or how good their lives were at home, or
Speaker 1: perhaps how rough their lives were at home, they had
Speaker 1: a place to come and feel vulnerable and feel like
Speaker 1: they could take risks. You know, it's a risk to
Speaker 1: turn around and look at the girl at the basketball
Speaker 1: game and say that to her when her boyfriend is
Speaker 1: standing over there. But but we took these risks to
Speaker 1: be seen on screen, and I think so many people
Speaker 1: crave that now. It's such a teeny tiny moment, and
Speaker 1: I honestly like that line is the line that fans
Speaker 1: say to me more than any other, and it is
Speaker 1: ingrained in I have it embroidered from a fan, like
Speaker 1: hanging up on a wall in my house. Um. And
Speaker 1: it's to watch it back because I haven't seen it
Speaker 1: since it aired is so weird because it's such a
Speaker 1: small moment and it made such a big impact, And like,
Speaker 1: I'm coming off of a weird weekend. I literally just
Speaker 1: drove through my hometown and hung out with some friends
Speaker 1: from high school and and shared all these like vulnerable
Speaker 1: things with them that I didn't have the moxie or
Speaker 1: um confidence to tell them when we were seventeen in
Speaker 1: real life. So to watch these seventeen year olds on TV,
Speaker 1: I mean, it could be us playing these people are
Speaker 1: like total strangers. But just to watch these seventeen year
Speaker 1: olds on TV like say things that are earnest, it's
Speaker 1: everything you want to have the guts to say when
Speaker 1: you're that age, but it's just so hard. It's shocking
Speaker 1: to watch. Yeah, but in that moment on the court,
Speaker 1: did it feel like a big Did you feel it
Speaker 1: in that moment how powerful that was or only within
Speaker 1: the storytelling that we're watching back. I think I was
Speaker 1: so scared of the process of filmmaking while we were
Speaker 1: doing it that everything to me was like, how do
Speaker 1: I hit my mark, how do I find lens? How
Speaker 1: do I do all these things? And and I joke
Speaker 1: all the time about how at the time, like Chad,
Speaker 1: I was so mean to Chad when we first started
Speaker 1: doing the show. It's just like, don't even look at me,
Speaker 1: You're just a dumb boy whatever, um, because I was
Speaker 1: such a snarky little brat, and so watching it, I
Speaker 1: have this joke where I'm like, I believe in the
Speaker 1: power of the edit right where you can like do
Speaker 1: a totally dorky scene, but when they lay some good
Speaker 1: music on it, I mean, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: they piece it together. The end of that episode. I
Speaker 1: believe in the power of that edit. They did a
Speaker 1: really solid job making that feel like a punch in
Speaker 1: the gut. Yeah, And when you watch it, you get
Speaker 1: you get the narrative of the edit, you get the
Speaker 1: melody of the episode. And when we're doing it, you know,
Speaker 1: we're in the gym for eighteen hours that day. You're
Speaker 1: not you're not conscious of it. And and it's funny,
Speaker 1: you know, Joy, you were saying something earlier when we
Speaker 1: were watching about how it's a blur for us because
Speaker 1: we did it for so long and it was so
Speaker 1: many years. And I did something and I don't know
Speaker 1: if I told you guys this, and this was just
Speaker 1: an averaging, but I went through and looked at, you know,
Speaker 1: some time sheets and was like, okay, So if I
Speaker 1: wanted to make an average of how many hours we
Speaker 1: shot every episode, and then what that means over eighty
Speaker 1: seven episodes, it means that from you guys starting the
Speaker 1: pilot to us finishing episode, we filmed this show. The
Speaker 1: conservative estimate is thirty five thousand hours of our lives.
Speaker 1: What So that's why we don't remember anything, you guys.
Speaker 1: So the cool thing is math I that French I
Speaker 1: got the graph paper out, you know, like, this is
Speaker 1: the way in which I'm like, this is why when
Speaker 1: people asked me if Brooke Davis and I are similar,
Speaker 1: I'm like, so in some ways we became similar and
Speaker 1: in many ways not at all. I love math and
Speaker 1: and I needed like a data point to understand why
Speaker 1: I couldn't always remember things that fans were asking. And
Speaker 1: I'm actually so excited to be here a because we
Speaker 1: get to do this every week, and I get to
Speaker 1: do these two of my favorite women and be because
Speaker 1: now we're going to get to experience what they did,
Speaker 1: because at the time, we never did even if we
Speaker 1: saw an episode, even if there was like a big something,
Speaker 1: we had a watch party. We were still filming thousands
Speaker 1: of hours a year, and so now we're just gonna
Speaker 1: like watch the show and just see the edits. Did
Speaker 1: we ever have a watch party? The only watch party
Speaker 1: I remember is Honey Grove, Texas, where we sat down
Speaker 1: with some fans and watched the show. But did we
Speaker 1: ever I remember one in uh somewhere in Landfalls Center.
Speaker 1: I think there was some bar maybe that people met
Speaker 1: up in to watch a finale or something. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it was near the movie theater. I can't remember,
Speaker 1: but yeah, what are those sports bars like that? I
Speaker 1: don't know. See this, I won't remember, but rarely we
Speaker 1: did that. But wait, let's talk about something that we
Speaker 1: have to address, which is the introduction of Brooke Davis.
Speaker 1: She came in cute with that little flippy hair. Now Rachel,
Speaker 1: it was like the grown out Rachel that hair looked
Speaker 1: back at it and I'm just like, wow, I didn't
Speaker 1: I just didn't really know the hair was so it was.
Speaker 1: I actually sort of find it charming because it is
Speaker 1: very innocent and sweet and and but then the thing
Speaker 1: that is so traumatic for me is that I'd plucked
Speaker 1: out half of my eyebrows. Like, so you talk about this,
Speaker 1: I love it. I love the skinny nineties brows. I
Speaker 1: think there's a girl. I'm telling you. I think it's
Speaker 1: very flattering. But also, like I'm Italian, I can't I
Speaker 1: can't get rid of these. By the way, I'm so
Speaker 1: lucky because they grew back when I stopped plucking them out.
Speaker 1: And I'm very thankful to my mother and her mother
Speaker 1: for that. Your eyebrow grabbing castor oil on my eyebrows.
Speaker 1: So I remember when you showed up. I thought you
Speaker 1: looked like Janine Turner. Is that Is that what I'm
Speaker 1: thinking of exposure? Yes? Yes, because she had that cute mole,
Speaker 1: have a cute mole, and I was like and also
Speaker 1: just that kind of like sultry like raise one eyebrow,
Speaker 1: give you that like side eye look. And I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: she's got that thing that Sherylyn Fenn has it too,
Speaker 1: you know, like you you embodied those women who just
Speaker 1: kind of had like a little bit of mystery to them. Um.
Speaker 1: And it was such a good introduction to Brooke Davis
Speaker 1: because she does she gives like such good cheerleading side eye. Man.
Speaker 1: You were also exactly what the energy that the show needed.
Speaker 1: I mean that they introduced Jake with the boys and
Speaker 1: you with the with the girls and the Girl's Tea,
Speaker 1: and it was like every everybody got a little we
Speaker 1: have We'll talk more about Jake in a minute, but um,
Speaker 1: I loved what you the energy that you brought. It
Speaker 1: was like just bubbly and fun and but there was
Speaker 1: a depth there which we saw when you were talking
Speaker 1: about um, your future and you know, your fear and
Speaker 1: we were saying um in when we were watching it.
Speaker 1: We were talking with each other and saying that that
Speaker 1: line about you know, I'll here's what's going to happen
Speaker 1: un as I get fat. And it's like, I can
Speaker 1: see how so many girls who went into audition would
Speaker 1: have read that as like a funny line. But you know,
Speaker 1: family talk about why you knew how to nail that line? Yeah, gosh,
Speaker 1: I think because and we've we talked about this a
Speaker 1: little bit. When we first got together to talk about
Speaker 1: this um there was so much about Brooke I didn't
Speaker 1: understand and that I couldn't relate to. And I I
Speaker 1: was so scared to admit I didn't know. So I
Speaker 1: like was desperately trying to figure it out. And so
Speaker 1: the sultry cheerleader, I was like they they yes, side,
Speaker 1: I was like, that's what they do. Like I never
Speaker 1: held a fair of pomp bombs, you know. And and
Speaker 1: and the interesting thing for me was those were the
Speaker 1: things I had to find in her, and like her
Speaker 1: boldness and and her her very over sort of sexiness
Speaker 1: and stuff made me scared. But the the fear I
Speaker 1: could understand because I was a raid. And then that
Speaker 1: fear in particular I really understood because I'd seen girls
Speaker 1: who were in families like that, families that said, you've
Speaker 1: got to do this job, or you've got to be
Speaker 1: in this pageant, or you need to do this, and
Speaker 1: don't you ever gain an ounce, because then you'll never
Speaker 1: get a man, and you'll And I watched girls wither
Speaker 1: under that. I had a friend in high school who
Speaker 1: had to go to rehab for an eating disorder because
Speaker 1: she grew up in a family like that. And it
Speaker 1: was heartbreaking and scary as a teenager to see a
Speaker 1: friend go to the hospital, you know. And and so
Speaker 1: for me that line, to not play it as a joke,
Speaker 1: to play it as a deep seated fear, felt really
Speaker 1: honest for things I'd seen before. That made all the
Speaker 1: difference with your character. Well, did they ever talk to
Speaker 1: you about the trajectory of Brooke, Like, did you know
Speaker 1: that down the road Brooke Davis would become like the
Speaker 1: voice of reason? No? No, no, I mean, my god,
Speaker 1: I I thought in the beginning, And you know, we'll
Speaker 1: get to it in the next episodes. But if our
Speaker 1: if our o G fans are here, they've seen them before. Um, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, I thought that the stunt in the back
Speaker 1: seat of the car, which I think might be in
Speaker 1: the episode after this was like a one time thing,
Speaker 1: was a stunt. I didn't know that. You know, they
Speaker 1: were really going to try to push me to behave
Speaker 1: that way, to be this like outlandish girl. And now
Speaker 1: it's funny because at the time I was like, this
Speaker 1: is ridiculous and high school girls aren't promiscuous like this,
Speaker 1: And now I'm like, who am I to call any
Speaker 1: woman promiscuous? Rude? But you know, at the time, I
Speaker 1: just was like, I don't know, and and you know,
Speaker 1: years into the show, I think they were just like,
Speaker 1: we're so sick of fighting with you that we're just
Speaker 1: going to start to make her more like you, which
Speaker 1: was fun. I won, and then there were there were like,
Speaker 1: way is I got to be so bold? Like later
Speaker 1: down the line, you know when I trashed that cafe
Speaker 1: across from Karen's, Like I would never do that, but god,
Speaker 1: don't you just fantasize about like walking in a room
Speaker 1: and just shoving everything off a table? Like she felt
Speaker 1: so free to me in ways that I never did.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, I had no idea what she was
Speaker 1: going to be. All they said to me was, you know,
Speaker 1: we've got this show, and it's so good and everyone
Speaker 1: everyone's dealing with sadness, and we need somebody who's really
Speaker 1: happy and likes to mix it up. And I thought
Speaker 1: when I read that line about I'll be you know,
Speaker 1: successful and get everything I ever want unless I get fat,
Speaker 1: I thought, Oh, that's the hint. That's a hint for
Speaker 1: who she really is. Didn't you guys grow up hearing
Speaker 1: like I'm going to go to college and get my mrs.
Speaker 1: I knew. I knew girls who grew up in the
Speaker 1: South who said that, I don't know what an mrs is.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's your degree. You're going to go to
Speaker 1: college to whoever you're dating your senior year in college.
Speaker 1: That's such a Southern thing to say. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: where I grew up, it was like, oh, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: going here to get my mrs. You know, all the
Speaker 1: engineers go to this school, all the architects go to
Speaker 1: this school, all the lawyers go to this school. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a very Southern and I guess like upper upper
Speaker 1: echelon East Coast too, But I don't know that they'd
Speaker 1: say it that way. I mean, the Rednecks still say it. Joy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I lived in Dallas till I was twelve. I should know.
Speaker 1: That's how you get out of that lower that lower system.
Speaker 1: You're like, I'm gonna go get my mrs. She got
Speaker 1: into the state school. She's gonna do well. You know.
Speaker 1: Think about the trajectory that Brooke took, though. That's so
Speaker 1: interesting that you would start in that place of genuinely
Speaker 1: like just being like all those other you know, the
Speaker 1: example of all those other type of girls that you
Speaker 1: are just talking about, um, which I hate saying anyway,
Speaker 1: type of anything like the generalization. Everyone's obviously got all
Speaker 1: their own individual struggles, but there is some sort of
Speaker 1: collective community similarity in that way that she would have
Speaker 1: come from. And to see her go from that too,
Speaker 1: the incredibly empowered woman that she became, I mean, that's
Speaker 1: such an interesting and heroic journey. I loved that I
Speaker 1: did too, and I loved I loved that she made
Speaker 1: it feel possible for so many people, and I loved
Speaker 1: that she always found it with women. So many girls
Speaker 1: are raised to seek validation from men, you know. And
Speaker 1: I even think back to all of us being kids
Speaker 1: and you know, trying to figure it out and be
Speaker 1: in relationships while we were there, and that's how you
Speaker 1: think you're a grown up, But really you grow up.
Speaker 1: Really you find your people in the women in your
Speaker 1: lives first and foremost. And you know, we've all been
Speaker 1: together for a hell of a lot longer than most
Speaker 1: of us have been with anybody else. You know, I've
Speaker 1: been in my marriage exactly. And so then I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: how long is a twelve? I was like trying to
Speaker 1: do the math real quick in my head. I need
Speaker 1: to write it down when I do it, um. But
Speaker 1: I I thought that that was so special, like even
Speaker 1: you talking about her trajectory. You know, Brooke launched her
Speaker 1: business living with Haley. Brooke made decisions about her future
Speaker 1: with Peyton, like I loved being able to despite so
Speaker 1: many ways in which like a group of old men
Speaker 1: writing for us made me say that teenage girls would
Speaker 1: never say your poor name. Come on, we would never
Speaker 1: as long as we're addressing, Wait, what your first pets
Speaker 1: in your mother's maiden name? My first pet was Shepherd,
Speaker 1: and my mom's maiden name is well, I can't tell
Speaker 1: people my mother's maiden name. That's like questions at the
Speaker 1: Social Security Office calls and asks you, wait, then, what
Speaker 1: are our characters mother's maiden names. Do we know that? Well,
Speaker 1: then we I just said mine, So you guys go,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, mine's Bunny Regard. Well do you know Ellie's
Speaker 1: maiden name? I don't know Victor Elli Harp it was Harp. Oh.
Speaker 1: I don't think Peyton had a pet. I had a
Speaker 1: dog named Misty. I feel like she would Misty Harp.
Speaker 1: Misty Harp definitely got her. Mrs Misty Harp's out there.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I just want to, um, gosh, I
Speaker 1: don't know that Victoria had a maiden name that I
Speaker 1: was aware of. Um. But my our first dog's name
Speaker 1: was Bouncer because my mom could make that. He was
Speaker 1: from Bodyguard. So Bouncer Davis is kind of hideous. Usual.
Speaker 1: I just see boobs everywhere, but totally not something that
Speaker 1: a teenage girl would talk about. You handled the naughty talk, baby. Why.
Speaker 1: Here's why I had to because, oh my gosh, wait, guys,
Speaker 1: you have a producer. It's Victorian Montgomery. See, this is
Speaker 1: why we have people helping us make this show, because
Speaker 1: they know the things we don't. So Bouncer Montgomery is
Speaker 1: even worse. Yeah, it sounds like an old like Southern gothic.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, William Faulkner character, But go back, go back,
Speaker 1: because you're right, you know, Mail. The reason why I
Speaker 1: had to was, I mean, it's definitely something that I
Speaker 1: would have said something about, like I don't wanna you know,
Speaker 1: why are we talking about this. That's not something teenage
Speaker 1: girls would talk about. And I was also really conservative
Speaker 1: and at the time and just very you know at
Speaker 1: the time at the time. We'll take more about where
Speaker 1: you are now after the show. Um, but look, I
Speaker 1: mean when I joined the show, I was told, in
Speaker 1: no uncertain terms, this show is about geting and sucking.
Speaker 1: I can't believe said that to you. Almost spit what
Speaker 1: it was, like, you, she's going to be prude, she
Speaker 1: needs she can't be on this show. And it was
Speaker 1: just so outrageous. So anyway, so I knew that, you know,
Speaker 1: like I was going to have to like, you know,
Speaker 1: I knew my character, so I wasn't concerned that my
Speaker 1: character was like going to go in a direction that
Speaker 1: I would have felt compromised in or whatever. So I
Speaker 1: was like, OK, I think you were going to wind
Speaker 1: up naked in a back seat. I didn't like if
Speaker 1: it was on too that's right, I'm going to sing
Speaker 1: you a song. Tell Yeah. So when that line showed
Speaker 1: up in the script, I was like, Okay, I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna I'm just gonna pardon the fun I'm gonna suck
Speaker 1: it up, and uh, oh my god, it writes oh
Speaker 1: my god. Yeah, so that's where that came from anyway.
Speaker 1: But by the way, two episodes in a row, now
Speaker 1: Hayley's making comparisons to Dawson and Joey because you say
Speaker 1: it's Dawson's freak, Like, did you think that Hayley and
Speaker 1: Lucas were hooking up in the show? I did. I
Speaker 1: thought for sure, same. Yeah, I think that's what they
Speaker 1: were originally going for. But Chad and I had no chemistry,
Speaker 1: so it just didn't work. Yeah. I mean I kind
Speaker 1: of felt that way with James because when I met
Speaker 1: James on the pilot, like we went out with our parents,
Speaker 1: you know, and like we were buddies, and I I
Speaker 1: also was like such a proof that I hadn't like
Speaker 1: really kissed that many people in real life, So you know,
Speaker 1: kissing kissing James on the show was like weird and
Speaker 1: that was hot and heavy. In the backseats they shot
Speaker 1: that scene multiple times because they realized that neither one
Speaker 1: of us that ever kissed on television before, right, so,
Speaker 1: which means like neither one of us had been being directed.
Speaker 1: The very first scene that you ever have to like,
Speaker 1: hook up is the weirdest thing ever because it's not real.
Speaker 1: So you're like, oh, no tongue, no tongue. Is this
Speaker 1: a conversation? We need to have hands? Where those go?
Speaker 1: And you're a teenager, you're so awkward talking about your
Speaker 1: body or kissing anybody in the first place. And I
Speaker 1: was twenty one and James was seventeen, and there was
Speaker 1: a legality thing in the back of my mind where
Speaker 1: I'm like, God, am I going to prison? Like home men?
Speaker 1: So there was just so much going on, and there's
Speaker 1: forty people staying around and you're shooting it at four
Speaker 1: o'clock in morning and everybody just wants to go home,
Speaker 1: and you're like, god damn, it just kissed me the
Speaker 1: way we're spposed to kiss and like I don't need
Speaker 1: to do and you're supposed to know what to do.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do. Yeah, They're like, run
Speaker 1: your hand up her leg and he's probably okay, Can
Speaker 1: I don't joy. They did a whole series of inserts
Speaker 1: of just his hands on different body parts of mine,
Speaker 1: and I'm just thinking, like, did I put lotion on?
Speaker 1: Did I shave? Are we supposed to shave from the
Speaker 1: knee up now? Because I've been one of those girls
Speaker 1: who like, you were a slut if you shaved from
Speaker 1: the knee up, you know. And I don't think it
Speaker 1: until I joined the show that I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess I should do that. When they start doing
Speaker 1: insert work on your thigh, god yeah, And it was
Speaker 1: just that was so um traumatic and oh my god.
Speaker 1: I never I didn't think about this until just now.
Speaker 1: You know what made me realize that James was like
Speaker 1: a child is that we did this like a whole
Speaker 1: take of kissing and it went on and on and
Speaker 1: on and on, and I'm like, somebody cut, somebody will cut.
Speaker 1: This is so uncomfortable. And finally they yell cut and
Speaker 1: James goes sorg and I was like, what I said, Sorg,
Speaker 1: I remember what is sword? And he goes gross backwards
Speaker 1: and you made T shirts, Hillary, I did sure teenage
Speaker 1: a literal teenager. Sorg kissing you is sorg kissing you
Speaker 1: sord right now. Oh my god, it was gross. Guys. Sorry,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's so funny. God, I was jealous
Speaker 1: because I was like all the Joy's kisses with James
Speaker 1: seemed really like like passionate and really like gentle and loving,
Speaker 1: and James and I like we were like two um
Speaker 1: cobras just biting each other. They really captured the teenage
Speaker 1: hormones each other. Is this how we do it? Smash
Speaker 1: your face against my come on, let's head about each other,
Speaker 1: chip our teeth. But interestingly, it feels so authentic for sure,
Speaker 1: Like so much of what was so special about the
Speaker 1: show is how authentic things felt and how honest they
Speaker 1: were and like unpolished. Who was your first kiss in
Speaker 1: real life? Sophia go, no, you go okay, my first bread?
Speaker 1: I mean I had like a there was there was
Speaker 1: like a summer camp kiss with this really tall, green
Speaker 1: eyed Spanish boy was very tall and and like chubby
Speaker 1: and just super like like a big like a linebacker.
Speaker 1: And he kissed me out on the ropes course at
Speaker 1: summer camp. But there was no tongue. There was no tongue.
Speaker 1: It was just limps and it was it was a
Speaker 1: smooth but it was like slow and sweet. But then
Speaker 1: my French kiss, my first French kiss was this boy
Speaker 1: and we were in his basement and he kissed me,
Speaker 1: but he licked all the outside of my mouth. It
Speaker 1: was like, I don't I guess neither of us knew
Speaker 1: what I definitely know. I was like, I feel like
Speaker 1: this is not the way it's supposed to be done.
Speaker 1: There's not video evidence of that. Oh man, oh no,
Speaker 1: I will say and I will never tell you who.
Speaker 1: But I had one of the most aggressive and inappropriate
Speaker 1: kisses I've ever had on camera on our show What
Speaker 1: About You know what it is? I feel like joy
Speaker 1: I've told you this, but I will never reveal to
Speaker 1: the audience. But I was bitten by someone. Oh that's
Speaker 1: right on our show. And when I said for the
Speaker 1: whole time now, and I don't think that take made
Speaker 1: it because I hit him. I mean I didn't like
Speaker 1: hit him in the face. I just like shoved him
Speaker 1: back because it really hurt. And I said, what are
Speaker 1: you doing? And he goes, I'm being sexy and I
Speaker 1: was like, it's not sexy like I'm being There has
Speaker 1: to be like somewhere there's probably that in an outtake
Speaker 1: and for his sake, I hope it doesn't come out,
Speaker 1: because like I don't want to ruin his future prospects.
Speaker 1: But oh man, I was like, you need to talk
Speaker 1: to someone about this, and don't bite my face again, sir.
Speaker 1: Sexual activity is such a luck of the draw thing
Speaker 1: as you grow up in life, like who you end
Speaker 1: up being able to kiss? Yeah exactly. I mean that
Speaker 1: it makes a big difference. Hillary, who do you kiss
Speaker 1: for the first time? Well, my first like prude kiss, um,
Speaker 1: no tongue kiss, that's the differentiation. Tongue no, Yeah, exactly, first,
Speaker 1: no tongue kiss. I'm doing the Music Man in fifth
Speaker 1: grade and there's a sixth grade boy who has really
Speaker 1: good hair and it's a very good dresser and in
Speaker 1: the play with you, totally in the play with me,
Speaker 1: and it is such a babe, and we get along
Speaker 1: and we like all the same things. And so I
Speaker 1: google him as an adult and he is a hairdresser
Speaker 1: and a flight attendant now and he definitely, um is gay.
Speaker 1: And I feel so like flattered that he thought I
Speaker 1: was worth kissing in my super awkward years. Like it
Speaker 1: was one of those things that I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my God, of course, like yes, our energies were very
Speaker 1: but also that's been a common theme in my life
Speaker 1: ever since, you know. Um, and then tongue kiss was
Speaker 1: I had started dating a really bad boy in high school,
Speaker 1: like a bad and I was not a bad girl.
Speaker 1: And he, I guess that's like the chicken dated before me,
Speaker 1: like had a kid and stuff. Like he was definitely
Speaker 1: is actually active, and I wouldn't kiss him for like
Speaker 1: eight months, Like I was like, no, I'd like peck him,
Speaker 1: but I was like, if you put your tongue in
Speaker 1: my mouth, I'm a whore, Like that's it, it's over.
Speaker 1: And so finally homecoming night we went to homecoming, we
Speaker 1: come home, he's dropping me off. I finally like lean
Speaker 1: over and he puts his tongue in my mouth, and
Speaker 1: it's like he's a very he's very experienced and he's
Speaker 1: a very good kisser. And all of a sudden, the
Speaker 1: brights of my dad's truck flip on behind us, and
Speaker 1: I'm just like, of course, of course, of course. Um
Speaker 1: yeah it was you know, it was like sitcom. I'm
Speaker 1: just like, thanks dead. Finally you ruin into my moment.
Speaker 1: You ruined my tonk is dead. Sophia who are you
Speaker 1: stuck in face with Oh man, it's so sweet. My
Speaker 1: my first no tongue kiss and my first frensh kiss.
Speaker 1: We're with the same person, no are you? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You guys my high school sweetheart until the end of
Speaker 1: my junior year in high school. It was my best
Speaker 1: friend from summer camp since I was nine. My god,
Speaker 1: like the sweetest little bunny, just the best person, the
Speaker 1: best person. And I feel so I feel like, on
Speaker 1: the one hand, so lucky, and on the other hand,
Speaker 1: I'm like, you were so nice that you made me
Speaker 1: so naive in the world. God damn it. I just
Speaker 1: had no idea. But yeah, I don't know. It was
Speaker 1: just like so lovely. It was a sweet way to
Speaker 1: kind of grow up and like fall in love and
Speaker 1: have it last for so long. And I remember when
Speaker 1: we were just like we've been together for so long
Speaker 1: and we'd never experienced anything else, And um, I mean,
Speaker 1: did you think you were going to get married? Oh?
Speaker 1: You were? I was like, I was the Haley James.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is it. And I also think
Speaker 1: back and I'm like that sweet teenage boy who never
Speaker 1: pressured me into having sex with him, who just was like,
Speaker 1: it's okay that you're not ready, like literally for years,
Speaker 1: for almost a decade. My god, when you consider the
Speaker 1: fact that we like fell in love and hell to
Speaker 1: hands at summer camp at nine. Um, you know, we
Speaker 1: broke up when we were sixteen, and I remember just
Speaker 1: being devastated. I remember laying on the floor, like the
Speaker 1: cold tile floor of the bathroom, just sobbing because I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, I don't know how this has happened,
Speaker 1: and I know it was right, but what's going on?
Speaker 1: And I went to school and I had told my
Speaker 1: best friend and when I like walked into school, she
Speaker 1: came to meet me. And we walked in and everyone
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, what happened? Because I think
Speaker 1: I looked really sad. And she said she looked at
Speaker 1: two of the girls we were friends with, and she goes,
Speaker 1: the couple of the century just broke up and said
Speaker 1: we heard about Brad Pitton Jennifer Aniston and they were like, no,
Speaker 1: you ding Dons or Brad and Gwyneth back then actually yeah,
Speaker 1: And we were all so sad because they were like
Speaker 1: so emo and hot and they had the same haircut
Speaker 1: and yeah, and she was like no self, and everyone
Speaker 1: was like no, we were like the teenage love story.
Speaker 1: It was so sweet. Eat. Speaking of sweetness, let's talk
Speaker 1: about Brian green Man. The sweetest he was. He really was.
Speaker 1: We got robbed when he went and did his other show,
Speaker 1: like an HBO show. Fine. I feel like we'd all
Speaker 1: have had a much. I just feel like things would
Speaker 1: have been better if he'd stayed. I might be giving
Speaker 1: my cards away here. Listen, Sophia and I at the time,
Speaker 1: it's so in love with him. We really were joy.
Speaker 1: You were hanging out with Chef. You were like on
Speaker 1: the Chef train, and Sophia and I over at the
Speaker 1: Riverview Sweets. I remember writing down in the elevator of
Speaker 1: the Riverview Sweets with you. And I was in a relationship,
Speaker 1: so I could not say I think Greenberg is cute,
Speaker 1: but I was like he's so he's self fun. It
Speaker 1: is just like he's really cool, you know. And you
Speaker 1: were like, oh yeah, yeah, Well you and I were
Speaker 1: like little girls just being like, oh my god, he's
Speaker 1: so cute. Oh my god. Like when you're so young
Speaker 1: that you get excited that someone else thinks the person
Speaker 1: you think is cute is cute because it's just so
Speaker 1: exciting and validation and you have that damn guitar everywhere.
Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, he was a babe and by the way,
Speaker 1: like stay to babe, like he's still the nicest suite
Speaker 1: on the planet. Love how much he loves his wife,
Speaker 1: like he is the guy that he was then, like
Speaker 1: there was nothing false about him. That's what I loved
Speaker 1: about him as an actor too, is when you watch
Speaker 1: him on screen, he there's there's nothing fake. He's he
Speaker 1: can't be um anything other than just real in that way.
Speaker 1: You know, he's so genuine when he takes that bag
Speaker 1: in just my heart because it's such a thing Dan
Speaker 1: does to Lucas going his son and then it's you know,
Speaker 1: his son again another double entendre um. But and you
Speaker 1: see the heartbreak on Chad's face playing Lucas in that scene,
Speaker 1: and you're just like it knocks the wind out of you.
Speaker 1: And then Brian comes in don't let him take it,
Speaker 1: and just takes the bag and puts it over his shoulder.
Speaker 1: Hold on. I love how we refer to most of
Speaker 1: the actors by their character's name, but with Greenberg, were
Speaker 1: like Brian, like it was really his joy. Brian's a hero.
Speaker 1: I was told you know in like season two, the
Speaker 1: Peyton and Jake were in game and I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: and I think they just said that to throw me
Speaker 1: off the trail. Okay, this is a good place for
Speaker 1: us to talk about this because we all got told
Speaker 1: lots of things that weren't the same. And I was
Speaker 1: told by the away from day one that Peyton and
Speaker 1: Lucas were endgame, Like I signed up for a pilot
Speaker 1: in which Peyton was not willing to admit that she
Speaker 1: loved the you know, the emo boy, And so you
Speaker 1: got told Peyton and Jake were endgame? But did you
Speaker 1: did that because they wanted me to not lean into
Speaker 1: the chat of it? Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like it was it was a mind game. Oh heaven forbid.
Speaker 1: They just tell us what our jobs are as actors
Speaker 1: because we're professionals. Um, It's like, why did they want
Speaker 1: us to like be weirdly invested in things behind the scenes? Joy?
Speaker 1: Did you did you always know it was gonna be
Speaker 1: Haley and Nathan or did you think it was going
Speaker 1: to be something or someone else? No? I was surprised.
Speaker 1: I thought it was going to be Haley and Lucas
Speaker 1: for a little bit, but then our energy was so
Speaker 1: sibling nous that there was just no Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: didn't that didn't happen. Um, So I don't know, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to remember. I think it was yeah once. Uh.
Speaker 1: I'll be interested to see when this happens, because I
Speaker 1: think it's later on in season one, when Haley starts
Speaker 1: tutoring Nathan, And I think that was originally just supposed
Speaker 1: to be an extra conflict of interest with Lucas, like
Speaker 1: Lucas's best friend is now has to work with Nathan.
Speaker 1: But James and I, you know who knew we had
Speaker 1: chemistry and on screen and as soon as we started,
Speaker 1: you know, getting on together, it was like people started
Speaker 1: liking it. And there were message boards back then, and
Speaker 1: I so, I'm I don't know, it would be nice
Speaker 1: to talk with some of the writers on our show
Speaker 1: who were there at that. I was told after the pilot.
Speaker 1: I was told after the pilot that that Nathan and
Speaker 1: Haley we're going to be like really, oh yeah, that
Speaker 1: was part of the reason they recast because they were like, no,
Speaker 1: we need Nathan and Haley like she's gonna fix him.
Speaker 1: And I was like, interesting, yeah, So, I I mean
Speaker 1: they told me and that's why they were like, you know,
Speaker 1: we need someone who is sexy so but like doesn't
Speaker 1: act like it, you know, so that Nathan gets drawn
Speaker 1: in by this understated thing. And so so all of
Speaker 1: my codependent issues really worked for me in this life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was here to save him. High school girl with
Speaker 1: codependent issues. Guys, we cannot bring home the fixer uppers.
Speaker 1: Like for any teenage girl listening right now, don't bring
Speaker 1: home the baggage. Just leave it at school. And anyone
Speaker 1: who tells you you make me want to be better, no,
Speaker 1: no run for the hills. I remember my dad using
Speaker 1: a metaphor that he thought I would understand because my
Speaker 1: parents literally in college, I rescued so many dogs and
Speaker 1: I would always bring them in my parents house for
Speaker 1: a night before I could figure out where to take them.
Speaker 1: It is, it'll get there, it'll come back around. My
Speaker 1: dad was like, if you bring home one more straight
Speaker 1: dog into this house where we already have dogs, I
Speaker 1: will literally change the locks and never let you back in.
Speaker 1: So I was like, Okay, I guess six was too many,
Speaker 1: but okay fine. And years later, you know, fast forward,
Speaker 1: I don't know we're in our like mid twenties and
Speaker 1: my dad just said, no more sick puppies. Rescue dogs,
Speaker 1: not people. And I just remember being like just sobbing
Speaker 1: because I never I didn't understand that that the sort
Speaker 1: of I don't know that that desire or that subconscious thing. Basically, Joy,
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is I have codependency issues, said them,
Speaker 1: I'm glad we share that, and I just I didn't
Speaker 1: know that that was bleeding into spaces where it could be,
Speaker 1: you know, detrimental to me. And so, yeah, baggage at school, puppies,
Speaker 1: the shelter, just keep just keep your keep on moving
Speaker 1: out there kids, the promise. Um, can we talk about
Speaker 1: Dan because this really was like a dance centric episode
Speaker 1: manipulating all the kids. But it's so weird to see
Speaker 1: how young all the parents are show, and as a
Speaker 1: parent now, it is interesting to watch those storylines which
Speaker 1: we noted earlier that it was well, I'm recognizing for
Speaker 1: the first time why one of the reasons why our
Speaker 1: show is so popular among such a broad age range
Speaker 1: because you could watch it with your kids, um, in
Speaker 1: high school or you know whatever. I don't know what
Speaker 1: age is appropriate for this show, but um, at the
Speaker 1: time you would watch it with your young adults, and
Speaker 1: then the grownups would watch it as well because they
Speaker 1: had storylines that they were interested in. And I think
Speaker 1: it's really cool. I'm liking watching the parents storyline now.
Speaker 1: I didn't really care much when I was twenty. When
Speaker 1: Dan tells Nathan, Nathan says, oh, he's hitting on my
Speaker 1: girlfriend right in front of me, And Dan says, you know,
Speaker 1: if you're going to get in a fight, getting a
Speaker 1: fight over something important. I remember feeling so slighted as
Speaker 1: a young person, but now as an adult, like if
Speaker 1: my son came home, I was like, I'm going to
Speaker 1: fight over a girl. I feel like you big idiot,
Speaker 1: Like what are you doing? And so to find myself
Speaker 1: as a grown up siding with Dan Scott like what
Speaker 1: if I become that's crazy? Yeah? And Karen watching Karen um,
Speaker 1: you know, not go to the game and wrestle with
Speaker 1: Like I want to support my son, but I just
Speaker 1: can't go beat That must have been hard. I'll be
Speaker 1: curious to know what Moira has to say about that,
Speaker 1: because that's that's a hard choice to justify, Like to
Speaker 1: not be able to get past your own uh issues
Speaker 1: with the you know, for her for Karen not to
Speaker 1: be able to get past her issues with Dan and
Speaker 1: you guys not show up. Have you gone back to
Speaker 1: your high schools in real life? Yes? When'd you go? Um? Five? Six,
Speaker 1: seven years ago? Seven years ago? Probably just walked through
Speaker 1: the halls. I went back for a fundraiser, but I
Speaker 1: don't even remember when it's gotta it's got to be
Speaker 1: at least that long. It's just so weird because we
Speaker 1: have these like fake high school memories and like the
Speaker 1: sets that we walked through as as as many times
Speaker 1: as we walked through a real high school halls, you know,
Speaker 1: and so to go back to like the real space
Speaker 1: that's seen with Karen being like, you know what, what
Speaker 1: did she say? That place knows too much. I can't
Speaker 1: go back there. That too much, too much. I got
Speaker 1: chills when she said that, Uh I did? I think
Speaker 1: we all have places that feel like that, And I think,
Speaker 1: in a way, isn't it interesting that our show has
Speaker 1: carried that energy for us in a sense until we've
Speaker 1: been like, no, wait, this is ours and we made
Speaker 1: it and it was awesome. We're taking it back, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a big thing and enjoy to your point, what
Speaker 1: when you asked like how, I wonder how m mairear
Speaker 1: did that. I think our experience in Wilmington actually being
Speaker 1: so isolated on our show because it was like it
Speaker 1: was all college kids and retired people mostly like you.
Speaker 1: It really was like we just had each other. It
Speaker 1: was very insular. It was very small, and so I
Speaker 1: think at times when we were figuring ourselves out, it
Speaker 1: could make failure feel so much bigger. And I don't know.
Speaker 1: I would almost wager that maybe for her it was
Speaker 1: every single person who's in that gym tonight has a
Speaker 1: story about me, Like there's no anonymity in a town
Speaker 1: like tree Hill. That was kind of part of the point,
Speaker 1: um was how in everybody's everybody else was So I
Speaker 1: don't know, I'd be curious to know that. Yeah, for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 1: This was also the episode where we got to hear
Speaker 1: the theme song for the first time. Yeah, we had
Speaker 1: our opening credits. Yes, I don't want to be in
Speaker 1: That song comes on and I like walk into a
Speaker 1: restaurant or whatever I'm liked or am I like proud
Speaker 1: of it? Do I like walk around secretly being punked?
Speaker 1: I think it used to be that, like in supermarkets
Speaker 1: or in restaurants. It was on a loop, so you
Speaker 1: knew that like no one. It was just like a
Speaker 1: block of music that played over and over again. Now
Speaker 1: with the way like Spotify or like technology works, I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm being punked because it's everywhere. I'm like,
Speaker 1: are we've followed? Are they tracking our phones? Does someone
Speaker 1: think this is funny that they're like, it could be
Speaker 1: her or it could not be her, But this is
Speaker 1: how we're going to find out. And then and then
Speaker 1: if you get weird, if you get socially awkward, it's her,
Speaker 1: it's her. It's totally. Oh god, I do love that song.
Speaker 1: I still love it. I think it's such a good
Speaker 1: so that whole album is really strong. Gavin degras what's
Speaker 1: the album? It's Chariot, right. The album is called Chariot
Speaker 1: and the song at the end of the episode was
Speaker 1: a Gavin Degrass song also called Belief, which is a
Speaker 1: super powerful song. He's such an amazing songwriter. Her partying
Speaker 1: with him at fire Belly. When did he come visit?
Speaker 1: Was it the show flo episode? Yeah, the Yokra episode.
Speaker 1: He came back to visit. He was there a few times.
Speaker 1: He came back in the end Yeah, he was in
Speaker 1: and out. Yeah, he played like our kickoff party. I
Speaker 1: think like we premiered. He came to Wilmington's and like
Speaker 1: played at a bar or something. But I just remember
Speaker 1: like being around a pool table with Gavin de All
Speaker 1: being like, wow, he's really famous. Yeah, so cool that
Speaker 1: he's sang our song. Yeah, he's fun time too. He's
Speaker 1: a great guy. Did you tour with him? Yeah, yep,
Speaker 1: I went on tour with him and Michelle Branch and, Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's just like he's got that swagger. He's got that
Speaker 1: like you know, deep artistic soulful heart, but has also
Speaker 1: like got a he's a great time. He'll just you know,
Speaker 1: shoot the shop with anybody, who'll have a conversation with
Speaker 1: anybody from anywhere. He's a curious person. And I just
Speaker 1: think he's a super cool guy. Um to catch on
Speaker 1: and off and yeah, he's a good guy. Has he
Speaker 1: ever come to one of the conventions? No, but he should.
Speaker 1: They should bring him out, Gavin. If you're listening, Gavin,
Speaker 1: don't be a dork. Come hang out with us. It's
Speaker 1: so fun. We'll just bring him on this show is
Speaker 1: what we need to do. I had one of my
Speaker 1: coolest moments with Gavin he when he opened for Billy
Speaker 1: years later after the show was ended, he opened for
Speaker 1: Billy Joel on Billy Joel's tour, and everybody that knows
Speaker 1: me knows what a freak I am about Billy Joel.
Speaker 1: Like I know every song, I know every word every song.
Speaker 1: He's my favorite. So I went to a Joel concert
Speaker 1: and he was opening, and I I had like I
Speaker 1: texted him, but you know, I didn't hear. I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, he's getting ready to go do a show.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna respond. So I was sitting in the
Speaker 1: front and he and Gavin does his song, and he
Speaker 1: starts doing our theme song and he's like walking down
Speaker 1: around the audience and it's like a Hollywood bowl, so
Speaker 1: you can come down the side of the stage and
Speaker 1: come around the middle and up the middle. And as
Speaker 1: he comes around up the middle, he's got security around him.
Speaker 1: And I was like and I just like I told
Speaker 1: my friend who was with us, off the right back,
Speaker 1: and I just ran out into the aisle and like
Speaker 1: rushed him like a crazy fan. And I got right
Speaker 1: up in his space like and I was like and
Speaker 1: I and I was like, either he's gonna see me
Speaker 1: and he's gonna let me sing this with him, or
Speaker 1: he's going to be totally freaked out, and like they're
Speaker 1: gonna the security is gonna take me away, but I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take the reds gut he w. I'm at a
Speaker 1: Belly Joel concert. I have to do it. So I
Speaker 1: ran up and uh, and he definitely was like uh.
Speaker 1: And then his face wished when he saw me and
Speaker 1: recognized me, and it was like, oh god, it brought
Speaker 1: me in and we sang on the mic together for
Speaker 1: a second but it was so great, and then he
Speaker 1: went up. They put us up on the big tron
Speaker 1: or whatever the big screen is. We were singing together.
Speaker 1: So I staying at a Billy Joel talk concert. Technically
Speaker 1: he texted me afterwards he was like, I have a cold.
Speaker 1: You might want to take some vitamins see when you go. Also, though,
Speaker 1: I just love your boldness. You're like, I'm going to
Speaker 1: rush the performer joy your iconic Yeah, I would have
Speaker 1: been too scared, Like what if had been there to
Speaker 1: catch me getting like, you know, clotheslines by security? Who's
Speaker 1: the broad you know? Life is short? Yeah? I like
Speaker 1: that you went for it. Um speaking of going for it,
Speaker 1: this whole Peyton art thing. Um, people all the time,
Speaker 1: I want to know who drew those pictures. Like, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna say it wasn't me. We had like trained
Speaker 1: professionals that did all the artwork and so all the
Speaker 1: stuff that you see. Um, maybe our awesome producer can
Speaker 1: pull up her name. Yeah, be nice to know the
Speaker 1: name of the person that did all that. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was the same person. We
Speaker 1: had such a great art department. You know. Some of
Speaker 1: the artwork though that was taped up to the wall
Speaker 1: that Peyton tears down was stuff that I drawn during
Speaker 1: the pilot and then they just like ripped it out
Speaker 1: of the notebooks that they've given me and taped it
Speaker 1: up because it was like we gotta cover some wall space. Um.
Speaker 1: So all of my real art is the trash art
Speaker 1: and it was drawn by It's on their Hillary and
Speaker 1: the chat they just Helen Ward. Did Helen do all seasons?
Speaker 1: I mean it's iconic. People make you know, those canvases
Speaker 1: that they want us to sign a conquestion making money
Speaker 1: that I do too. There's a little coffee table book
Speaker 1: Peyton Pictures Sad stuff. You know, what's so weird is
Speaker 1: that when the show started, it was like our art,
Speaker 1: but I'd come from MTV and I'm like not an
Speaker 1: arty lady, but I did have like the music thing going,
Speaker 1: and so the transition from art to music for Peyton,
Speaker 1: it was one of those things where it was like
Speaker 1: art imitating life, you know, and and Sophia. You just
Speaker 1: talked about this like your character had to turn into
Speaker 1: Sophia a little bit more in order for it to
Speaker 1: fit right, Joy, did you feel, I mean they added
Speaker 1: you becoming a musician because you were such a skilled
Speaker 1: musician in real life. You know, yeah, they did. I
Speaker 1: mean I think that our I did love that about
Speaker 1: the show, that there was a heavy, heavy bent on
Speaker 1: our artists, um prowess being whether it was writers or
Speaker 1: people who were reading you know, great literature or art,
Speaker 1: great music. Um, I mean those are cornerstones of our show.
Speaker 1: That um again something that is a little harder to
Speaker 1: find now in this genre. And I just love that.
Speaker 1: And yes, I think, you know, it's just total providence, uh, coincidence,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it, that I was able
Speaker 1: to um be cast on a show that had that
Speaker 1: one of the music as a major cornerstone, and that
Speaker 1: you know, I never came on the show thinking I
Speaker 1: was going to play a musician ever, and I don't
Speaker 1: think anyone planned that. UM And uh yeah, Mark heard
Speaker 1: me singing to myself in a parking lot um and
Speaker 1: just decided to He was like, hey, do you want
Speaker 1: to sing on the show? I was like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: do I I really didn't know because I was like
Speaker 1: I just it was so much I was uncertain about
Speaker 1: at the time. But yeah, really glad that I did.
Speaker 1: It was just super cool. UM opened up a lot
Speaker 1: of doors for me, and I think, you know, to
Speaker 1: your point, the idea that we got to talk about
Speaker 1: music and writing and and really elevate there sort of
Speaker 1: pathways into feeling and human experience and catharsis. Those are
Speaker 1: things that a lot of people weren't getting and and
Speaker 1: we were all talking during the episode about how interesting
Speaker 1: it was, Like even in that scene with Lucas and
Speaker 1: Karen in the cafe when he's so mad and she's
Speaker 1: yelling at him because he got in a fight with
Speaker 1: Nathan at school and he's just he's being a boy,
Speaker 1: you know, he's expressing anger and frustration and and to
Speaker 1: see that in that character. And then on the flip
Speaker 1: side to have Nathan's character being a little boy who
Speaker 1: has been pressured to behave like a man and like
Speaker 1: the wrong kind of man, you know, a petty, um
Speaker 1: narcissistic man. It was so incredible to kind of have
Speaker 1: these men on this seesaw of feeling. It gave all
Speaker 1: these people permission and and we, obviously as as the girls,
Speaker 1: got to do so much of our own um you know.
Speaker 1: I was going to say leg work, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I guess it's heart work, like emotional stuff. But I
Speaker 1: think that's part of why it's really lived for a
Speaker 1: lot of people still is because they no matter what
Speaker 1: end of the spectrum you come in on you you
Speaker 1: feel represented in some way. And and I would like
Speaker 1: to think you feel permission to like feel your feelings
Speaker 1: in your own complexities and things. Well, did boys cry
Speaker 1: on TEA? I see? I was never watching teen dramas,
Speaker 1: so the only boy I ever like no, cried on TV?
Speaker 1: Was awesome because I see that meme of James Vanderby
Speaker 1: now it's like a meme. But did boys cry on TV? Back? Oh?
Speaker 1: I'm sure they did. I'm sure they really know I
Speaker 1: feel like this was an episode of Luke Perry crying cha.
Speaker 1: Chad was really really good about being vulnerable as a boy,
Speaker 1: you know, and not having to play that toxic masculinity
Speaker 1: thing of like I don't feel anything, I'm dead inside.
Speaker 1: You know, he went for it, And I think that's
Speaker 1: such an interesting thing too, you know that that they
Speaker 1: wanted him to play Nathan, and he wanted to do
Speaker 1: something different than he had been doing for his career,
Speaker 1: and and you know, isn't it so funny that then
Speaker 1: and we've talked about this before, but like you had
Speaker 1: sweet little baby James coming to play Nathan. He's such
Speaker 1: a sensitive soul and then had to come in and
Speaker 1: be bad and it's I don't know, it's just so
Speaker 1: it's so interesting all the things that we all were
Speaker 1: able to try and and the ways we had to
Speaker 1: push ourselves to be these people. Have you guys ever
Speaker 1: seen James's audition tape, because like room and it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: it's nice to see you. Cool, cool, you know what
Speaker 1: it's like so chill, and then when they just start
Speaker 1: the scene like I can't imagine that, like turn in
Speaker 1: the audition, It's like, oh no, I'm evil, you know,
Speaker 1: so wild. I also it's striking me in this moment
Speaker 1: because you know, Hillary, you were talking about how um
Speaker 1: like even in your scenes, like when when Peyton and
Speaker 1: Lucas would be doing these emotional scenes, like Chad would
Speaker 1: always you know, meet you there and then Joy, I
Speaker 1: remember asking you something when we were working early early
Speaker 1: years and I was like, how do you do that? Though?
Speaker 1: Like what what's the mechanism to cry like that? Like
Speaker 1: I have to get so sad? And you just looked
Speaker 1: at me and you were like, well, you know, I
Speaker 1: just kind of and you did this thing. You went
Speaker 1: somewhere in your head and you looked to the side
Speaker 1: and then you were crying, and I was like, what
Speaker 1: are you kidding me? It was like the most magical
Speaker 1: thing I've ever seen. And in this moment, it's hitting
Speaker 1: me that, you know, you guys, you and Chad really
Speaker 1: came in having had the most experience on sets and
Speaker 1: like me, Hillary and James didn't know anything. And yeah, man,
Speaker 1: but it's but it's cool because I realized that in
Speaker 1: this moment, I'm like, ah, right, you guys had like
Speaker 1: these amazing performer skill sets that I just remember. I
Speaker 1: remember watching you do things and just being like, Wow,
Speaker 1: we had a lot of fun. We had a lot
Speaker 1: of opportunities to do that, and you got a lot
Speaker 1: more opportunities to do all that too. So I I mean,
Speaker 1: I think Brooke took you built it for yourself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you really did, and I'm so excited for us to
Speaker 1: see more of that. The next episode is the famous
Speaker 1: one of you in the back seat of the car.
Speaker 1: I um, but you know, we get to know a
Speaker 1: little bit more about Brook. So to all our friends
Speaker 1: at home, we heard you all really liked are most
Speaker 1: likely to his last week? And so the three of
Speaker 1: us did a little digging on the internet and we
Speaker 1: dug up some pretty excellent most likely too excited about
Speaker 1: like they're so ridiculous. We would like if you guys
Speaker 1: continue to find this fun to pick one every week
Speaker 1: and decide who we want to attribute it to. What
Speaker 1: is the one for this week? Okay, who is mostly
Speaker 1: likely to go on The Bachelor? Not that we've seen
Speaker 1: her yet, But the moment I saw that come out
Speaker 1: of the hat, my first thought was deb oh, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I deserve a second chapter. I've been dealing with Scott
Speaker 1: for decades. Yeah, I'm gonna say a probably Rachel. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, Daniel hasn't a periodet, but Rachel did. Maxim. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean she had all sorts of weird stuff and
Speaker 1: it didn't after I left. Didn't she end up doing
Speaker 1: like a TV show with Dan Scott or something weird? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: she ended up Well do we give away the spoiler?
Speaker 1: I heard a rumor that they ended up together, Like,
Speaker 1: she's totally the person to end up on the Bachelor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she ended up with the rich guy on a private jet.
Speaker 1: You're right, it's Rachel. God bless, I love her. Okay,
Speaker 1: you guys are flooding our inbox. We love it so much.
Speaker 1: It's so cool to hear from all of you. Um okay,
Speaker 1: So we have some questions with listener questions. Are you
Speaker 1: girls ready for this? How invasive are there? I'm not
Speaker 1: feeling witty today. I'm sorry. I was going to say
Speaker 1: something about my last kynecology appointment, but that would be
Speaker 1: totally appropriate, okay. Um. Simon was wondering what your first
Speaker 1: impressions of each other were, which we talked about a
Speaker 1: little bit, and whether they still remain the same now,
Speaker 1: and do you think filming on location in particular made
Speaker 1: you all much closer. Well, I still think Sophia is beautiful,
Speaker 1: and I was blown away to find out that she
Speaker 1: was so incredibly brilliant as well, Like what a what
Speaker 1: an amazing um double double header double hitter? What do
Speaker 1: they call it? God really told out with both hands
Speaker 1: on you, kiddo, She's a winner. Listen. I remember realizing
Speaker 1: how smart Sophia was when we started doing Crew Christmas
Speaker 1: presents and we would get the entire crew best Buy
Speaker 1: gift certificates, and Sophia was a person that was like,
Speaker 1: you guys are stressing me out. I'm going to handle this.
Speaker 1: And she would go to best Buy by like a
Speaker 1: thousand gifts certificates and then have the lists of names
Speaker 1: and figure out who got what and like being her trailer,
Speaker 1: just managing that and it was a task. Girlfriend. You
Speaker 1: got the money, she got all the money from everything. Yes,
Speaker 1: and that's pre Venmo and Hillary, I still think you're
Speaker 1: also beautiful and so cool and so soulful and smart,
Speaker 1: and I mean yes, our for my first impressionce of
Speaker 1: both of you stuck and have deepened for sure a
Speaker 1: hundred percent. Hillary, You're like wickedly intimidatingly cool and so
Speaker 1: yourself and and actually something you share. I was just
Speaker 1: about to pivot to you, Joy, but I realized one
Speaker 1: of the things that like, I love the most about
Speaker 1: you both, and that also makes me feel intimidated because
Speaker 1: I feel like I don't know anything, is you have
Speaker 1: such a deep well of like expert level musical theater knowledge.
Speaker 1: Sometimes together, but when the three of us are together,
Speaker 1: one of you says something and then you go off
Speaker 1: on a tangent and I'm like, where are they going?
Speaker 1: What are they talking about? What is this? It's usually
Speaker 1: straight to Jean Valjean, Yeah, it's it's it's lames her
Speaker 1: into the woods. It's one of the two. Yeah. My
Speaker 1: first impression of Joy, and this is something that continues
Speaker 1: to ring true is Joy is the all American girl
Speaker 1: next door. She is wholesome and like so easy to
Speaker 1: love right out of the gates. But Joy has a
Speaker 1: naughty streak that I always felt so privileged to know about.
Speaker 1: And so just recently we have a mutual friend and
Speaker 1: we were talking about Joy and she's like, you know,
Speaker 1: Joy is just so wholesome and so good, and I'm like, what, Joy,
Speaker 1: are you hanging out? Because I know, I know party, Joy,
Speaker 1: and she is fun Joy. When Joy lets you into
Speaker 1: that cut, loose circle, you've made it, that's the that's
Speaker 1: the upper echelon. It feels real nice because it's true.
Speaker 1: You're so beautiful and talented and you sing like an angel.
Speaker 1: And and I think because you were playing Hayley, we
Speaker 1: all were like h and then and then we can
Speaker 1: get into like the Whiskey nights, and you're just like, oh,
Speaker 1: I've made, I've made. Give me, give me a glass
Speaker 1: of Johnny Walker and a nice long Virginia Slim and
Speaker 1: I'll have a real good night. Good bad girls club
Speaker 1: here we come, bad girls, all right. What's our next question? Oh, Hillary,
Speaker 1: this one's for you, Stacy says Hillary. In the pilot episode,
Speaker 1: did you actually almost run over Chad with the comment? Christ?
Speaker 1: I mean didn't. So here's what's up. I hadn't really
Speaker 1: driven a car since high school because I lived in Manhattan,
Speaker 1: Like why would I drive a car? Uh? And so
Speaker 1: I came down. I don't know that my license was
Speaker 1: even good, and they give me this car that is
Speaker 1: you know, it's a vintage car. Brakes aren't awesome. It
Speaker 1: shifts in and out of gear on its own and
Speaker 1: they're just like, Okay, honey, what you need to do
Speaker 1: is pick up a little speed and then like hit
Speaker 1: the brakes and hit this mark exactly because he's just
Speaker 1: gonna be standing here and because I couldn't even hit
Speaker 1: a mark walking, Like, how am I gonna Chad's quick?
Speaker 1: He's limber, he survived. What do you want to out? Yeah? Um, okay, great.
Speaker 1: So those are our listener questions. Will you guys keep please,
Speaker 1: please keep sending them to us to figure out what
Speaker 1: you want to talk about. We know what we want
Speaker 1: to talk about. We could just go on and on forever.
Speaker 1: Can we talk about Joy and her secret talent? This
Speaker 1: is truly one of the greatest things, and especially you know,
Speaker 1: a year into not being able to not only be
Speaker 1: together because we don't live in the same place as
Speaker 1: all of us, but no one could be together because
Speaker 1: of this pandemic. And then it was finally safe for
Speaker 1: us to do this and we got to do our shoot.
Speaker 1: And I mean listen, we may or may not have
Speaker 1: taken all those bottles of Jane Walker home from the
Speaker 1: bar with us. In my in my defense, I did
Speaker 1: bring them for us. I brought them as presents. And
Speaker 1: then we opened them all um Joy's Ranch. No, who
Speaker 1: would ever waste a great bottle of whiskey. We took
Speaker 1: them to Joy's ranch and we were like out with
Speaker 1: the horses and the dogs, and then we turn around
Speaker 1: and this goddess woman with her mermaid hair is mixing
Speaker 1: the stiffest drinks that were just so good. Well, the
Speaker 1: rose petals are what got me. Joy goes down to
Speaker 1: her garden and it's just like plucking rose petals to
Speaker 1: put in drinks and like she fairy this. It was glorious. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you made us this like floral version of an old
Speaker 1: fashioned I mean it's what inspired the cocktails that we
Speaker 1: literally made with Jack. We got to make boxes of
Speaker 1: them because of you. So cool, so we got we Okay.
Speaker 1: I love mixology. It's something that I kind of started
Speaker 1: over the pandemic, and it's to me, it's kind of
Speaker 1: like the closest I know how to get to potion making.
Speaker 1: Like there's like all these pretty bottles and you can
Speaker 1: pour stuff out and mix things and they taste good
Speaker 1: and they make you feel certain ways and it's very exciting.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's been become a bit of a hobby.
Speaker 1: And uh yeah, that was one of my favorite I
Speaker 1: really love there's a rose syrup. It's it's not a syrup,
Speaker 1: it's a laqueur. It's rose laqueur. And when you mix
Speaker 1: it into kind of like an old fashioned style drink
Speaker 1: with whiskey, it's particularly particularly great. So um, yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: have to post that that recipe as well as our
Speaker 1: our smokey um Lepsongong smoky syrup t infused cocktail that
Speaker 1: we got to make with Jane Walker, and it's called
Speaker 1: the Iconic, So pass the word around. That's the Iconic
Speaker 1: Drama Queen, and we'll post those recipes soon. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that was fun, and I'm so glad that you girls
Speaker 1: came over because it was really haven't been able to
Speaker 1: really do that just all all together. We were supposed
Speaker 1: to come to your house just for dinner, and so
Speaker 1: when I didn't leave to like one o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 1: it's like like, I hope we get a car out here,
Speaker 1: and we did. Um, But yeah, it was an adventure.
Speaker 1: I love it out there, just sitting out on your
Speaker 1: patio and like seeing the horses and all the stars
Speaker 1: and being able to catch up. That's like the first
Speaker 1: time we've gotten to hang out in somebody's backyard since
Speaker 1: we were in Wilmington's. Oh my gosh, that's right, that's
Speaker 1: so true. Yeah, because so much of what we've all
Speaker 1: been able to do, you know, over the last half
Speaker 1: decade has been in cities around the world, like we'll
Speaker 1: go to Montreal, we'll go to Paris. We haven't been
Speaker 1: able to just sit at home. And it felt so nice.
Speaker 1: Uh so, how should we wrap up? Guys? Should we talk?
Speaker 1: I mean, well, we need to talk about what our
Speaker 1: favorite lines of the episode are for sure? Okay, well
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any I mean I guess, well,
Speaker 1: your Art Matters is, like, that's the one that's like
Speaker 1: the star line. Yeah, it's it's tattooed on my heart,
Speaker 1: Like I'm not in real life, guys, Like I don't
Speaker 1: really have a tattooed, but um it, yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: like that's the heart of Peyton, Like that line. Everything
Speaker 1: comes back to that and and it's your art Matters
Speaker 1: is that iconic line. But it's it's the support line.
Speaker 1: It's what got me here, Like that's the whole thing
Speaker 1: of it. You did something and it made me brave.
Speaker 1: It didn't matter after you gave him that whole speech,
Speaker 1: the whole ground up speech at the car and what
Speaker 1: does it matter, doesn't matter to anybody anyway, and that
Speaker 1: he took the risk to say that to you in
Speaker 1: spite of how often you reject him. Boys should always
Speaker 1: talk to us that way, Just always tell us what
Speaker 1: we want to hear. Thank you, And I gotta say
Speaker 1: the sleeper hit for me was definitely that place knows
Speaker 1: too much. That was a punch in the gut, the
Speaker 1: grown up line that hits us now as grown ups,
Speaker 1: where it's like, yeah, yeah, girls, this has been so fun.
Speaker 1: I can't wait till our next one. I love you.
Speaker 1: I'm so dirty from farming today, so I love that
Speaker 1: this is our lady break like where we get to
Speaker 1: just like pause and the seventeen year old girls again
Speaker 1: and have great. Al Right, guys, saddle up, we'll see
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