WEBVTT - Conversations About Mexicans In Hip Hop 0:00:01.880 --> 0:00:04.400 What's up? And welcome back to another episode of No 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:07.520 Sealer's podcast with your hosts now fuck that with your 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:17.759 loaw glasses, Malone. That's the problem, Like when you have 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:23.840 a podcast and ship and you have a conversation before 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:27.520 you flush out really good ideas, you know what I'm 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:30.200 saying for, Like, you could have talked about this shit 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:31.360 on the fucking podcast. 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:35.680 It's like, shit we do in our thread, yeah, having 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:37.360 long ass conversations and we're. 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:39.559 Like, why we didn't talk about this on the podcast, Like, 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:41.720 and then you get in front of the podcast and 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:45.560 you don't got nothing to talk about? That shit is 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:50.639 the worst. That's fucked up. Damn hold up, I got 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:53.800 to use the background girl? What is that? What's up 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:56.440 with pause? Let's start with that? What is pause? 0:00:56.560 --> 0:00:56.760 Yeah? 0:00:56.800 --> 0:00:58.720 What is that? Fucking are you trying to be young? 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:00.400 No? No, I'm young. 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:03.280 First of all, was made by some old ass motherfuckers 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:06.600 that are older than us and Dame Dash and camera on. 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:10.600 What it is is for East Coast sympathizers like myself 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:16.840 who mimic New York slang. I'm glad you know that 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:20.319 it's okay. I can't accept that that's okay. But it's funny. 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:23.400 I don't care it's funny. But you know what though, 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:25.400 that's one of the things that we be talking about 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:30.400 sometimes it's like everything's kind of like blurred lines now, 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:33.160 Like I know that, so I do it because it's funny. 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:35.720 Pause to me is funny because obviously they use it 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:38.360 as like no homo. That's how they used to use it, right. 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:41.720 But you can't say no home anymore because it's it's 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:44.560 not politically correct. You can say what you want to say, 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:46.000 you can say what you want, but I'm saying you 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:47.720 could you know you're gonna get some back life. 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:49.200 I'm not scared of cancel culture. 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:52.760 Nah. No. So pause is basically like you said, pull 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:55.240 the mic clothes like yo, pause, Yo, what you're talking 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:58.360 about pulling mic closer? Relax or just you could have 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:02.040 just what you could have just said you need you need. 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:04.200 You said what you call your digging mic. 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:08.200 No, not at all. 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:11.120 It's just that what you tell your girl talking to 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:14.919 the mic. That is that the new way to say. 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:16.280 Give me some man talking to the micro. 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:19.800 And I've heard tell another man, hey man, grab grabbed 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:22.000 the mic and pull it closer, to grab the mic 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:22.960 and pull it closer to you. 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:26.519 You just don't know how the sexual indue windows came from. Hey, 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:31.000 grab the microphone and pull it closer. Pause, pause, You 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:35.440 don't know how the sexual inn windows came to that. See, 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:37.880 it comes to a certain place where that ship just 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:40.440 get out of hand. And this is why I feel 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:42.839 like people on the West should not listen to too 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:45.919 much East Coast hip hop because you'll have some ship 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:52.799 that don't apply. It does apply, though, pulling the microphone closer. 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:56.440 To you not the act of a man telling another. 0:02:56.320 --> 0:03:00.200 Man to pull the microphone closer to your mouth, Like. 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:01.840 Hey, bro, I need to hear a little bit louder 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:03.160 on the mic. You could just say it like that. 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:04.320 See how more manly that? 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:07.000 No that I don't understand why that had to be done. 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:10.040 Yeah, I don't get it. I don't get it. 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:14.200 Yeah, that's pause. That's Cam run and Mace. 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:15.440 I don't care what you say. 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:18.639 And that's the problem again, because you don't needies either. 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:23.359 That being that Cam like I think Cam would say 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:25.640 you're taking this out of context. 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:28.480 Cam, No, because they tell Cam he's taking it out 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:29.160 of context. 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:32.280 No, no, No, People on the East Coast understand the context 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:34.840 because maybe they would tell somebody to speak into the 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:37.960 mic like that's giving head or getting head or whatever. 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:41.720 I don't know how we me and you we've known 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:45.600 each other twenty years, because twenty years and I've never 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:48.280 told you, Yeah, that girl was blowing into my mic. 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:51.040 No, you've never done that. 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:54.200 No, so you've never told me too. I had that 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:56.640 bitch speaking into the mic last night. I've never heard that, 0:03:56.760 --> 0:04:01.400 So I don't understand the sexual innuindow you feel me 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:05.280 of Hey, pull the mic the microphone closer to your mouth. 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:06.839 That just doesn't sound right. 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:08.680 It actually sounds perfect. 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:10.320 You can just hey, speak loud. 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:13.960 Like yeah, like we're in the studio and you're like, yo, 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:17.160 like that was just And that's why you can't adopt 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:21.640 East Coast culture. Son, This is what's wrong. I've thought 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:25.240 about this. Hey done, yo, son, Yo done? That's word. 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:27.640 God, I do done talk so done. 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:30.440 And see that's the problem, you know what. And honestly, 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:35.560 since since we've always talked about this, that's always been 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:40.360 my point, Like you're going to mishandle it and it's 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:42.720 going to come across. Forgive me for using the time 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:46.080 warning corny, because you're going to mishandle it. 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:49.200 But this is a conversation wearing a buffy coat at 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:51.840 Cintamonica peer in the summer night. 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:54.039 I never did on the summer night. Definitely did it 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:54.559 in the winter. 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:58.040 Was it like seventy one? It's risk. 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:04.840 Sixty thirty sixty four And I used to have the 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:08.080 bubble jacket without the sleeves, likell, what the fuck it? 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:10.680 I really did. I'm being honest. I'm just being honest. 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:12.919 But this is what I'd be trying to tell you, 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:16.400 though you think I'm joking, Bro, there is a demographic 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:22.040 of Mexicans on the West coast, Bro, that didn't know 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:24.320 how to relate to being westcast, Like how we talked 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:27.000 about like if in theory now it would be like 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:30.640 sack of Dom Kennedy, right, like West La Okay, I 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:34.280 grew up in Englewood, but I'm over here, you know, 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:35.800 in Santa Monica. 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:37.960 Right, there's a way to talk. But we had we 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:40.640 had a mod. We had we had a mod. 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:42.839 Yeah, but a mad even a MOD in them wasn't 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:45.920 like that was more to us. That sounded more like 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:48.360 J five, that was like more East coast. 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:50.880 Why did a mod sound like East coast? 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:53.599 Because he did it didn't sound West Coast, not to 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:56.320 the traditional idea of what we were thinking was West Coast, 0:05:56.360 --> 0:06:00.360 which was at that time, like yeah, kangster rap, sound 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:00.720 like that. 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:02.760 But West Coast hip hop has always been more than 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:03.360 gangster rep. 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:04.599 I understand that. 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:07.440 I'm just telling you when you didn't know what as 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:09.400 a Mexican hip hops, what I'm telling you, when you 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:12.440 didn't know what direction to go in. That's why a 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:16.279 lot of us more so kind of like drifted into 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:18.520 into the East Coast. What about sound? 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:19.360 What about Look? 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:22.320 What about farce? Why what about farcide? 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:26.800 That was also that's that's like hieroglyphics and like Dell 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:29.880 the funky Homo Sapien, like all that sound was kind 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:33.320 of like East Coast, even though it was West Coast. 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:37.039 I mean, I can understand that, but I'm saying we've 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:41.520 always on the west right T and Spade, like Toddy 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:44.520 t and Spade since you know, the mid eighties. It 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:47.479 wasn't about being a gang member. Like that's the thing, like, 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:52.080 and this is why I've always like disputed y'all. It's 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:55.960 like NWA is not about being gang members. 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:58.359 But there was a Look at what I'm saying, So 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:00.800 if you didn't want to. So one thing about La 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:03.920 g and we've talked about this. When you it can 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:07.040 be anyone. But if you look a specific way, you 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:11.360 open yourself up to get pressed for sure, hands down, No, yes, 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:14.320 you do. If you back then, if you was wearing 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:17.640 if you looked or dressed like food, like the Mexicans 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:19.560 and colors, or like. 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:22.400 Uh, if you look at the streets. 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:24.640 Yes, if you look like the streets of La right, 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:26.720 like Caine and and Old Dog. 0:07:26.960 --> 0:07:28.600 Caine and Old Dog didn't really wear nothing. 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:33.360 I mean it was white teas Levi's and that's my point. 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:36.200 I'm not but not everyone did. And if you did 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:38.640 wear it, and you was in the in the neighborhoods 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:43.120 that we were in, you were liable to somebody be like, hey, Holmie, 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:44.560 where are you from. So if you didn't want to 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:47.400 deal with that, you'd be like, yo, son, what's up? 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:47.800 Sun? 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:49.440 Defense? 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:54.160 Defense, the defense mechanism. So you you're like, yeah, I'm 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:56.240 I wrap like the East Coast guys because I don't 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:58.920 want to sound like you gang bangers. 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:02.680 So that okay. 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:06.840 So I'm taking you back to very early trans that's 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:11.680 we're talking about ninety three ninety four. 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:17.520 So so this is no siblings. I got a headache already. 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:22.000 Glasses Malone. My homeboy brought his homeboy. 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:24.120 Jazz are the jugging that I say, what's up going on? 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:28.640 Shout out to my brother Alcatraz Tony Nadio. So it's 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:32.040 fantastic MC and a hip hop history in his own riot. 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:37.600 He's been on the podcast before. But Trass is a 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:43.720 Mexican hip hop artist. Jazz is mixed s Guatemalan, I 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:45.720 mean for the most part, but he grew up in Southgate. 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:48.280 Trash grew up in eigglehood, and I think that's the cornerstone. 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:53.360 Well that's not even important, right because culturally, because culturally 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:56.000 how you was raised is more important than how white 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:59.920 people treat you. Yeah, I was raised hispanic got you 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:02.640 or don't mean that he ain't no nigga. Everybody that 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:04.800 don't know gonna treat him like a nigga for sure 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:07.920 because he is mixed with black. But culturally he grew 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:10.240 up in Southgate, So I know what time it is. 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:16.360 I learned. I learned more like junior high high school. 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:18.520 That's because I was Because you're gonna start You're gonna 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:21.280 start meeting other Mexican people. Gonna start got out of Southgate. 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:23.720 My mom put me from because I was in elementary 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:26.840 and Southgate and then I got expelled and then she 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:29.320 she was she working at Sony. Where'd you get expelled 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:34.199 from from a fucking private school, Redeemer Long Beach Boulevard. 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:38.120 So then my mom took me to uh to Culver City. 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:40.600 And that's what was discussing the day he was talking 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:45.359 about coverd City wasn't racially diverse, that motherfucker every Culver. 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:48.320 City because Culver City has a really underrated poor part 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:49.319 that nobody talks about. 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:50.640 The projects. 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:54.920 I wouldn't call those projects project project. I know they're 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:58.760 housing projects, but I just wouldn't reference because it's in 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:02.240 Culver City, right But it very much is some bushes. 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:05.360 So I'm not saying it ain't bullshit. I'm just saying 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:09.920 when you go to Culver City, like in that poor, 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:12.839 like that small, because they do have a ghetto right there. 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:15.560 I have no idea why it's this little fucking ghetto 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:18.560 right in the smack dead center of fucking Culver City, 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:22.160 cause that shit's crazy. But this is something that's it 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:25.040 was just on my mind. But did growing up, you know, 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:28.120 because your skin is darker? Did did did any Mexicans 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:29.359 treat you like a nigga. 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:29.600 At that time? 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:34.360 And it's crazy my whole life. So my moms, even 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:36.480 though you grow up just believing whatever your. 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:37.600 Sure, they raised you. 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:40.160 The moms told me that my father was of a 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:45.080 different race growing up, sure, but it never computed. 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:46.920 Like why is my skin color this dark? 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:47.120 Then? 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:48.400 Yeah, because there are some. 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:54.280 So you guys earn them around black folk. They embraced 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:57.560 me so much and I'd be young, always wondering, like 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:00.520 and I remember one time I was somewhere in somebody 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:05.720 was playing and somebody says something like about nigga, my nigga, 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:08.920 and I was like, I'm not black, and the mom 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:11.600 was like, son, he was a nigga. 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:13.200 And I was like what. 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:14.960 And I went home and I told my mom like 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:16.600 this lady said I was a nigga. 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:18.480 And she was all mad. She was like, who was 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:19.280 it was a white lady. 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:21.160 I said no, she was a black lady. 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:24.480 Oh, And my mom gave me a look like it's 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:26.560 gonna be deep. 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:32.079 But yeah, your question you always like in Southgate. 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:34.800 Because I know Southgate is for sure one of them 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:35.840 plays that's like. 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:38.360 The Homie Horn that we have. He's Mexican and black 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:39.800 and his mom is Mexican. 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:42.840 He you know, it's different. I was always the black 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:45.640 g I Joe. You always had to be the black 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:46.520 power rolls. 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:49.120 Always the black whatever ever, like we got our own now, 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:50.800 I would always be that guy. 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:53.960 It's different for him because so wine like Jay grew 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:56.840 up ju So shout out to the boy ju Wan Williams. 0:11:56.880 --> 0:12:00.320 His nigga name is Wan Williams. That's like the most 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:03.400 Mexican and black shit ever. But it's funny because like 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:06.320 he grew up in Southgate. So even as a person 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:12.440 of what's the correct words Spanish speaking people descent over 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:15.880 here on this side of the motherfucking globe, and to 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:18.880 be he grew up in Southgate and South Grade is 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:22.800 like a real Mexican type of place. 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:25.040 He did, no, he did? 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:25.800 Yes? Okay? 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:29.360 So Jay, you grew up in West Long Beach, right, 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:32.760 and West Loan Beach is like a for real black 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:36.120 experience as far as poor people go. So where you 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:38.880 raised that is different because he right, like in Southgate, 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:40.839 they probably might treat him like a nigga, you know 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:43.160 what I'm saying. But where Jay is at, they gonna 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:46.319 make sure the Mexico treat your ass like a nigga too. 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:48.760 And by him being over there is why his whole 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:52.280 style has also been East Coast too, I guarantee you 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:52.920 that's part of it. 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:57.240 No, it wasn't my style being East Coast actually came 0:12:57.280 --> 0:13:04.360 from me always being interested in the hip hop culture. Right. 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:07.680 My first concert was I told you it was nineteen 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:12.640 eighty nine and it was Beastie Boys and run DMC. 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:15.120 But I was growing up like my mom's friends in 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:18.160 the disco times and all that shit. All her friends' 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:22.000 kids was DJs and breakdancers. Yeah, so I grew up 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:26.200 watching them. They was in the hip hop. I started 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:30.360 getting into the music then rap, and that's how they 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:32.520 Then I started getting to the was discussing earlier the 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:34.920 Wu Tang, and I got that ship on my leg, 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:36.000 the Wu Tang. 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:39.600 But that's where that's where my music at that. 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:42.160 Point was was listening to. 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:46.360 Yeah, the the nwas and all that wasn't was because 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:47.480 I didn't grow up that way either. 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:48.520 That's my point. 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:50.920 He just was my point. 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:53.080 But both of y'all are really not making a point. 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:54.280 I'm gonna tell you what. 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:56.760 We might not be making the right point. 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:59.559 No, no, but that's not even making a point at all. Right, 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:02.080 you can make a point, right, but I'm saying the 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:06.400 reality is, if you're from here and you're our age, nigga, 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:10.760 you grew up on death row. Period. It don't matter 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:13.320 what you chose. I did grow up on it. Like 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:15.520 you don't have a choice, like none of us had 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:16.000 a choice. 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:18.000 But death row was a small part. 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:22.080 No, death row was a small part that came and 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:25.200 took over after already being flooded with. 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:28.720 Wan there was death row. 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:30.240 Well, yeah, I. 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:33.640 Guess you got that wrong. So you were purposely avoiding 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:34.280 real life. 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:36.480 No, I think I think they were. They was all 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:37.840 being played at the same time. 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:40.000 They were. It wasn't even yes, they were. 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:43.960 Chambers came out and what. 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:49.520 Exactly you are from Inglewood? Trust? For sure they were 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:51.960 playing the Chronic everywhere. 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:54.800 I remember that you don't have you don't. 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:58.520 Have to remember it. It literally shaped your existence. So 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:01.680 as much as you don't understand in this your desire 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:05.200 right to choose outside of it is kind of the choice. 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:08.560 It's not a reality for you because we all grew 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:12.360 up shaped by excuse me, the uh the Chronic is 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:16.480 ninety two, So that was before Doggie Style is ninety three. 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:21.440 So wasn't no Illmatic, wasn't no fucking Wu Tang like 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:24.200 you might have if you were lucky one or two 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:27.840 people around you might have played Wu Tang or illmatic 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:30.520 in real life. I don't give a fuck which part 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:34.280 of the motherfucking West you was at. There was nothing 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:38.720 else going to happen outside of the chronic Doggie style 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:43.240 murder was the case dog fool at Cuver City, though. 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:44.640 Who I was hanging with. 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:49.320 Was just gonna be quote unquote backpackers, So they was 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:51.920 all on the east. 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:53.960 Coast, right, and that's what it is. 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:54.200 It was. 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:55.880 It was the West side. 0:15:56.800 --> 0:16:00.920 It's not it's not even west A listen to. It's 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:02.160 not like I. 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:04.160 Was going to school when Big Boy was there from 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:07.680 Barbweo six so he was DJing with Ray at them 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:10.640 times as a student in the school. No, but he 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:13.400 was influencing our music a lot because he did all 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:13.920 the day. 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:16.280 No, no, no, but I get what he's said. He's right, 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:19.840 like all of you pockets, Yeah yeah, yeah, No, no, no, 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:20.520 what I'm saying. 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:23.000 If you if you like Wu Tang, forgive me. If 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:26.120 you like Wu Tang or nas Eomatic at that time, 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:31.200 those were pockets inside of our real world, Like that 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:34.280 was like a kind of a dream outside. Like you 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:36.520 on the West Coast, Yeah, you went into the bubble 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:39.200 to me, even on the East Coast, like in real life, 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:41.920 like the East Coast, it probably played way more. But 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:45.880 these you gotta think like in real life, bro, Like 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:49.440 people talk about Ellmatic in real time, like it was 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:51.760 bigger than the Wu Tang album, And it wasn't. It 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:54.240 just wasn't. That's not to say it wasn't more critically 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:58.680 acclaimed and people celebrated. But Wu Tang was infectious. Ill 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:01.160 maadic was kind of like a thing on the island, 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:03.560 and this is verified from all the gray minds from 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:08.560 over there. Wu Tang became infectious almost across the country immedia, 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:11.040 you know what I mean, Like where people was like 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:13.760 because they were street. They was fucking grimy and dirty, 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:16.960 so any poor person could love them. Nas kind of 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:19.880 was like a clean kind of college you know, came 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:23.600 across as a college educated theorist, so it made people 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:26.919 feel superior and intellectual. But Wu Tang was for the 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:31.560 everyday person living outside. But I don't give a fuck 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:35.320 which part of the West you was on there was 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:39.600 no fucking way possible. The majority of your experience hearing 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:42.720 music and seeing life, you could have ever got away 0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:46.760 from the chronic doggie style murder was the case. Dog 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:50.240 food all lies on me. This is nineteen ninety two, 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:53.159 ninety three, ninety four, ninety five, ninety six. These are 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:57.280 the biggest records. Yeah, these are exactly that's my point. 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:02.040 These are the biggest records in hip hop. Peers like listen. 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:05.439 These are the biggest records in hip hop period at 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:08.840 the time. It ain't like ill Madic was close to 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:12.879 fucking Illmatic came out in ninety four, you know what 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:16.160 came out in fucking ninety four, Like Snoop was right there, 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:21.840 like Nigga. Illmatic is not even in the same global 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:25.160 impact as Doggies. Doggie style is a phenomenon on its own. 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:30.440 So it's like you had to avoid it purposely. 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:32.879 And that's what I'm saying. 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:35.639 That's but that's what I'm saying, though, Like I agree 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:38.199 with that because I think what it was now that 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:42.160 I'm thinking, like really thinking back, most of the homies 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:48.440 in Inglewood, not my Mexican homies, the black homies were 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:51.600 listening to death Row. 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:56.879 Most of the Mexican homies in Inglewood. Yeah, yes, and 0:18:57.040 --> 0:18:59.680 they were listening if they were listening to rap. 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:02.359 Mut I'm not saying they didn't hear it. They did. 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:05.240 No, No, I'm saying if they were listening to Because 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:08.679 you gotta realize, like we don't stimulate the actual economy. 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:11.560 We could say, hey, this is the trending thing. But 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:14.280 if you're on the West and you having success, it's 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:17.280 because Mexican audiences is buying your shit. This is where 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:20.840 we've been at for the last twenty thirty years. This 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:24.280 ain't something new, Like Mexican people make up the majority 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:27.639 of the buying population outside of white folks on the West. 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:29.720 So I think I was part of that group that 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:31.360 you're talking about as well. 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:33.719 Where you just whatever, did it get it? 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:36.560 Well, No, I wouldn't say maybe, I wouldn't say avoided it. 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:40.960 I think for me, whoever, I gotta think back really well. 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:44.320 But whatever crew I was hanging around with, like I 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:48.280 remember the homie Indefinite remember in Depth or SUBI we 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:50.240 listened to all that shit, but I remember he was 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:54.439 always really big on raz Caz and like you know, 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:56.480 corrupt and the way they rhymed. 0:19:56.640 --> 0:19:57.480 Right, So then. 0:19:57.400 --> 0:20:00.800 Yeah, I'm not saying you couldn't find one dude around 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:03.760 or a few dudes in your crew. I'm telling you 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:05.960 that don't make up your nigga. If you went to 0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:07.480 a party, that's what they was playing. 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:10.600 I liked. 0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:11.320 I. 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:13.480