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Speaker 1: Well. I'm Debbie Brown and this is the Deeply Well Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Deeply Well, a soft place to land, a

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Speaker 1: where you heal, this is where you become. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: A couple seasons ago, I was blessed with having this

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Speaker 1: in a household like that where you feel you feel

432
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: that there is I think this deeper intention from both

433
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 1: the father and the mother to lead with the soul,

434
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: to lead with the heart in service to the rearing

435
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: of the child and the work meant to be done

436
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:22,719
Speaker 1: in the world.

437
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And the reality is no mother and

438
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 3: father can really hold it all for a child. That's

439
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 3: where that's where the village comes in.

440
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

441
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 3: And in order for in order for all of this

442
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 3: to kind of unfold, we have to start coming back

443
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 3: into connection. You know, the pandemic is over. We got

444
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 3: to get out from behind the screens. And also we

445
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 3: got to we've got to come away from like the

446
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,199
Speaker 3: seventy thousand person festivals too. I think that's also creating

447
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 3: more isolation in many ways. But it's like these all

448
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 3: intimate group gatherings, it's really fulfilling. It's a really fulfilling

449
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 3: thing to take the time to get connected to yourself

450
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 3: and to others. Yes, And I believe as we move forward,

451
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 3: this will become more and more valuable and more sought after,

452
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 3: more highly sought after and seen as you know, seen

453
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:28,959
Speaker 3: as what's needed. Were we have we have everything in

454
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 3: this culture. We have we have the access that just

455
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 3: one hundred two hundred years ago, the richest, most powerful

456
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 3: people didn't have the access that that common people have today.

457
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: Interesting, and what what.

458
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 3: Has that really done for us? You know, as a

459
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 3: society as I made it, it's more selfish, more narcissistic,

460
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 3: but potentially more isolated. That's what I'm experiencing and that's

461
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 3: what I'm seeing. And so again this invitation is like,

462
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 3: we have to bring the essence of what a real

463
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 3: man is. And that's not for me to even say,

464
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 3: Like I got to invite in every single man and

465
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 3: brother that I interact with and say, hey, how do

466
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 3: you show up this way? And a lot of times

467
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 3: it looks like play, it looks like presence, it looks

468
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 3: like listening. It's not the things we were sold. It's

469
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 3: not about how much money you make, how much bling

470
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 3: your rock in these days, it's how much presence can

471
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 3: you bring?

472
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: M God, that's exquisitely said. That is so beautiful. When

473
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,239
Speaker 1: you were speaking a moment ago to the archetype of

474
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: the father. I felt really called to ask, and I

475
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: hope the way it's intended inside is coming out in

476
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: service to who's listening, because, you know, speaking of household,

477
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: there are some dynamics that just are right now or

478
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: in an evolutionary time. So even though these are our ideals,

479
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: these are the things that we are moving forward and

480
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: recognizing deeply need. Sometimes they take decades and centuries and

481
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: millennia to actually unfold in the human on the planet.

482
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: So there are a lot of mothers raising boys by themselves,

483
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: or raising boys with someone who may be physically present

484
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: but maybe is not mentally or emotionally present. And you know,

485
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: you spoke to especially two parents not being able to

486
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: hold all that is necessary to bring a being into themselves.

487
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: But if you're a single parent and a single mother,

488
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: especially so for any that are listening right now that

489
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: find themselves in that position, what are ways that are

490
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: possible to invoke the archetype of the father, or what

491
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: are some ways to create community for the young boy

492
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: in their life, the you know, the the children in

493
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: their life, the girls in their lives, Like, how how

494
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: can a parent bring this consciousness into their household even

495
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: without having the additional help.

496
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 3: That's such a great question, thank you.

497
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I know it's I know it's a tall

498
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: order and it just there is so much to be unpacked.

499
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: So but I know that that is present for so

500
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: many women that that want more for themselves, that want

501
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: more for their children. You also sometimes just can't help

502
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: what the present moment reality.

503
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 3: What the reality is. And that's precisely why we created

504
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 3: our youth program, Son's Youth, which is a one to

505
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 3: one model. We scholarship half of the kids who come

506
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 3: through it.

507
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: Wow.

508
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 3: We have a youth mentor training which which the men

509
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 3: in our community participate in in order to be able

510
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 3: to lead the youth. And I think that's what we

511
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 3: need more of. We need more men because we have

512
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 3: the capacity and we have the sense of purpose when

513
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 3: we get into this work. Yeah, we have to get

514
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 3: more men into the mindset that this is valuable. That

515
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 3: like to be the thing that you didn't have when

516
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 3: you were growing up, Yeah.

517
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: And not buying the things, not the video games you

518
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: didn't have, not that because I think so many parents

519
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: get into that like I want them to have these things,

520
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: and it's like, but what is their heart made of?

521
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 3: Yeah? And so I think it ultimately comes down to

522
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 3: the relationships. The technology is never going to fill the void.

523
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 3: In fact, it's going to drive the isolation deeper. So

524
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 3: like I also don't believe it behooves mothers to be

525
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 3: more in their masculine when they're having to hold multiple roles.

526
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 3: I think it's like find you know, I don't want

527
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 3: to say, like find a program, but like I do

528
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 3: believe there are more and more of these camps, these

529
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 3: social intelligence courses, in these ways to get our youth

530
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 3: in connection. Yeah, I can't imagine what it's like to be,

531
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 3: you know, like a fifteen year old right now with

532
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 3: all the access, with the technology, with having to keep

533
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 3: up with the friends, and it's like there's a party

534
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 3: going on on your phone twenty four to seven for

535
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 3: us as adults too, and then we become incessant and

536
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 3: checking in on that party. What's needed is reality. What's

537
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 3: needed is that connection. So I would say to that

538
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 3: mom who's home, just bring the presence, just ask how

539
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 3: they're doing, Just have an honest conversation. That's the place

540
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 3: to start instead of feeding into the more of the distraction.

541
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 3: That would be my sole advice in that situation, and

542
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 3: there are so many people on this planet who are

543
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 3: wanting to help, who are willing to help, and we're

544
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 3: finding the others and we're growing, and it's the next

545
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 3: ration of of like you know, this is this is

546
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 3: conscious boy scouts. You know, this is this is raising

547
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 3: these young men with mentorship and with guidance so hopefully

548
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 3: they can avoid some of those pitfalls and and no

549
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 3: doubt they'll have to go through their own heartbreak, but

550
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 3: they'll have support when they do it. Yeah, And ultimately,

551
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 3: what we what we hope and what we strive for,

552
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 3: is that it doesn't lead into deeper misalignments, which we're

553
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 3: seeing play out in society right now. I think the

554
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:34,280
Speaker 3: sense of urgency is known by all, but this solution

555
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 3: is just now breaking ground. It's just now emerging through

556
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 3: the surface where people are going, oh really, it's that simple.

557
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 3: We just got to get people connected with other lighthearted

558
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 3: individuals and really and actually support each other. This is

559
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 3: this is the way. It's not going to happen in

560
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 3: a pill. You know what I'm saying, It's there's no

561
00:34:55,719 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 3: magic pill for it's actual human connection. And so we

562
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 3: have to continue to value that ourselves as adults and

563
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 3: to cultivate community. And I like to say too, if

564
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 3: we utilize the technology right now, it's the easiest and

565
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 3: most kind of abundant time to get connected, to find

566
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 3: your tribe, to find your community, or to build ones.

567
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, to build one.

568
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,919
Speaker 3: And that's literally what I set out to do back

569
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 3: in twenty eighteen, and it's happening. We started doing these

570
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 3: men's circles and calling men in in San Diego, California,

571
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 3: and you know, they would trickle in. We had our

572
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 3: first convergence. We were praying for thirty men to show up.

573
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 3: Seventy five showed up.

574
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 1: Wow.

575
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 3: And from there we were like, oh, this is important.

576
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 3: People are actually asking for this. People really want to

577
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 3: belong these days. Yes, And so if you're someone who

578
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 3: feels called to building community, what are you waiting for?

579
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: Thank you for saying that, you know, because I think

580
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: even the question that I pose, it's just so complex.

581
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: It's layered and it's not one answer, and there's not

582
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: a definable solution to all of it. But the community aspect.

583
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 3: And I want to say this too, because I witnessed

584
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 3: it in the Son's program people, and you know, it's

585
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,760
Speaker 3: not to shame anyone. But we are over medicating these children,

586
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 3: you know, and we are deepening them into the trauma

587
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 3: that their parents have suppressed. Yeah, and so again, what

588
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 3: I would say to that, to that single mother or

589
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 3: father who's out there, find a space for you to

590
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 3: do your inner work, for you to do the deep

591
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 3: work to get yourself back into alignment so that you

592
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 3: can really show up in full presence for your children

593
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 3: and for your community.

594
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: And whoever's listening to this. I know there's some ears

595
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: that are really piqued right now. And I know you're tired.

596
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: I know you're tired. I know, and I know the

597
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: idea of doing something else that's also going to require

598
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: mental and emotional labor. It feels over whelming. And I

599
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: would just say to that, tap into something higher to

600
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: give you the energy and the fuel that you need,

601
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: because this is why you're here. This is what life

602
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 1: is about. It is not about earning and striving. It

603
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: is about what you were pouring in to your children

604
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 1: and what you were pouring into yourself. There's nothing more important.

605
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,760
Speaker 1: As heavy as that load feels, as impossible as it seems,

606
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: to find these pockets of time to do this work,

607
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: please call it out to the universe, call it out

608
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 1: to what you call that higher power, I call it God.

609
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 1: Set an intention, miracles unfold. And even if that doesn't

610
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: feel real as you sound, as you hear the sound

611
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 1: of my voice in this moment, I can guarantee it. So, Jess,

612
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: set an intention, do your best, whatever's possible.

613
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,720
Speaker 3: For you to your best. We are all out here

614
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 3: doing our best, and so we also have to give

615
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 3: ourselves that kind of acceptance of the situation we're in.

616
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 3: I also I like this Frederick Douglas quote, which is

617
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 3: it's easier to raise strong boys than to repair broken men.

618
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 3: And so if you are looking for a why to

619
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 3: give your son or your daughter or the children of

620
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 3: this planet that support now, it's so that we don't

621
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 3: have to spend a whole nother generation after generation in

622
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 3: that undoing. And there is no technology. And again I

623
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 3: want to say it, there's no magic bullet or magic

624
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,240
Speaker 3: pill that's going to do it for us. We actually

625
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 3: have to come into contact. We actually have to begin

626
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 3: relating with one another in the realist of real ways,

627
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 3: and when we do that, we find thatility, our vulnerability

628
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 3: is actually the strength that we all get to. It's

629
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 3: not like feed off of But we all get to

630
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 3: dance in that vulnerability because it touches us. It touches

631
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 3: us that it actually makes us more human to feel

632
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 3: deeply our emotions versus to suppress them. Yeah, and that's

633
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 3: really what I'm here for. We're in a time where

634
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 3: everybody can't stop talking about AI. Why why, Like I'm

635
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 3: here to talk about being human.

636
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

637
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 3: We hear the highest form of intelligence on this planet.

638
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 3: Your body is the highest form of intelligence on this planet.

639
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 3: There's nothing you're going to find in an artificial intelligence

640
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 3: that is beyond the power and magnitude of your soul.

641
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:50,720
Speaker 3: So stop looking there and start looking inside. That's my invitation,

642
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 3: and that is the work for myself too. Yeah, you know.

643
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 3: And so when I get into it, and no one

644
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 3: is perfect. This is not about perfect perfection. This is

645
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 3: not We are sacred sons and you're not. The reason

646
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 3: why we called it sacred sons is because we are

647
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 3: acknowledging that we are all sons of the Most High God,

648
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 3: we are all children of this earth, and that life

649
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 3: is sacred. And so if you are a man on

650
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 3: this planet that doesn't believe that about yourself, come connect. Yeah,

651
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 3: and if you don't have the finances, because that's a

652
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 3: part of this too. We have a robust scholarship program.

653
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 3: We're like, this is the new paradigm. We get to

654
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 3: create what that new business model looks like. We're not

655
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 3: on some infinite corporate growth model. We're on a mission

656
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 3: to touch the lives of the most people that we

657
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 3: can in a positive way and to let those ripples

658
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 3: ripple into their lives and into their communities. And that's

659
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 3: largely what I'm seeing. And I wanted to say this

660
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 3: to you too, Debbie. We have police officers that are

661
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 3: reiki masters. Wow. We have had a sheriff come to

662
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 3: Sacred Sons who's a breathwork facilitator. That's what time it

663
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 3: is in twenty twenty three.

664
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: Wow.

665
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 3: And so in particular, as a British police officer shout

666
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 3: out to Mac McLean, shout out Mac, he is leading

667
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 3: the entire unit in breath work before they go out

668
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 3: for their days. Now, this is actually happening. This is

669
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 3: a sacred son in the world who's bringing this And

670
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 3: so that's happening over there in England.

671
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: Wow.

672
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 3: Right. And meanwhile, I have my brother Tamir. I got

673
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 3: my brother Tamir in Israel. He came through Sacred Sons.

674
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 3: It's been a year and a half and he is

675
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 3: doing men's circles within Israel in Tel Aviv, inviting in

676
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 3: Israelis and Palestinian men this work. It's like, that's what

677
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 3: I'm saying about to the broadcast. This is not something

678
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 3: that keeps secret and in the dark. This is something

679
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 3: that can prevent war. In my opinions, this is something

680
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 3: that can bring us back to an inner piece. Ring

681
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 3: the bell on it, ring the bell on it, because

682
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 3: that where it's going. And so you know, I mentioned

683
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 3: George Floyd earlier randomly because that popped in my mind.

684
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 3: But now I want to say this, when we have

685
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 3: embodied peacekeepers in this world who are out there and

686
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 3: who are using the energy, the strength, their capacity to

687
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 3: bring good into this world, the goodness that exists deep down.

688
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 3: You know, there's a there's a goodness in us when

689
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 3: we really when we really check in, and so when

690
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,760
Speaker 3: we get to cultivate and bring more of that into

691
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 3: the world through men, I believe this is this is

692
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 3: what I believe changes the game. I mean, and I

693
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 3: want to give you another story. This one's present. I

694
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 3: just got off the call with with a brother and

695
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 3: he was sharing with me this is a very different path,

696
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 3: but it's it's it's real. He's asking about testosterone. Man,

697
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 3: I got low Testosterone'm taking all this stuff. It's messing

698
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 3: up my hormones. I'm not sleeping at night. I got

699
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 3: all this stuff and I'm forty two years old. So

700
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 3: I see all this stuff about supplements and this is

701
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 3: what you gotta do to stay young, and all this

702
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 3: stuff right, and people are believing it, but it's not working.

703
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 3: You could take all the supplements, all the testosterone you want.

704
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 3: If you are not creating a life of embodied truth,

705
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 3: none of it matters. So I asked him, all right,

706
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 3: forget the supplements. What's beneath that? You know what's beneath it?

707
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 3: And he's like, I'm lying to my wife. I'm like, well, okay,

708
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 3: let's talk about why you're not sleeping at night. It

709
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 3: has nothing to do with yea with again a pill

710
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 3: that you're going to take from the outside end. This

711
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 3: life is an inside out game. And so for my brothers,

712
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 3: I got low T. I want to invite into another T,

713
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 3: and that is called capital T. Truth. Until you come

714
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 3: into honesty, in your life, you will always be looking

715
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 3: for something outside of yourself to fill that void. I

716
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 3: know this from my own personal experience. Honesty. We call

717
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 3: this honest masculinity above all else. Honesty is the starting

718
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 3: point for all of us as men and women. That

719
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 3: is our point A. And so for anyone who is

720
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 3: trying to fill that void, come back into honesty and

721
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 3: get real with yourself. When I'm saying honesty, it doesn't

722
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 3: mean you have to divulge everything about your life to

723
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 3: the people who are closest to you. The first person

724
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 3: to get honest with.

725
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: Yes, right, yes.

726
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 3: And so that little nudge that I gave this brother

727
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 3: and he shared me He's telling all these little lies

728
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 3: that add up to big lies. And I'm like, let's

729
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 3: focus on that, and can I get some accountability from

730
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 3: you that at the very least, if you tell a

731
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 3: little lie, call me and be honest about it. We're

732
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 3: going to take baby steps into honesty, you know, because

733
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,959
Speaker 3: some people have been lying to themselves for so long, yeah,

734
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 3: that they don't even know they're doing it.

735
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.

736
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,479
Speaker 3: And so like we tell these we tell these little

737
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 3: lies that end up becoming big lies. And I'm just

738
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 3: saying if you want something that will radically change your

739
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 3: life is capital t truth. Start being honest.

740
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: That is so massively powerful. And you know, the thing

741
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: about lying is there is no such thing as a

742
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 1: little lie, right. A lie is a lie, right, and

743
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: a lie speaks to to your point, the disharmony in

744
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: oneself pathological line, it's rooted in childhood, it's rooted in fear,

745
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 1: it's rooted in an avoidance of being who you are.

746
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: That is just so incredibly powerful, you know, speaking to him.

747
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: And I'm so curious because I know the men that

748
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: go through your programs are just i mean changed from

749
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: the inside out forever. Right, It's like kind of like

750
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: when you ride a bike. It's you'll never forget once

751
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: you've glimpsed your soul. You'll never get once you have

752
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: found that pathway of access. Now, sometimes we take breaks,

753
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: or sometimes we don't act on all the changes in

754
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 1: real time, but once the pathway is built, it's always there.

755
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: I'm so curious, what are some of the experiences that

756
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: men are sharing with you that the ways that their

757
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: lives are changing, the ways that they relate to the

758
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: people they're in partnership with. If that is in relationship

759
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: or with their children, or with their own mothers, with

760
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: the people they work with. What are how are they

761
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: taking this into their lives and what are they seeing unfold?

762
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say what comes up first for me

763
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 3: is I've had so many men tell me that this

764
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 3: work has changed that at this work has literally saved

765
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 3: their life. Yeah, So that would be one. That would

766
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 3: be to start the fact that these men are still

767
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 3: here and to be real, there was a there was

768
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 3: a man recently who came to an last October. Six

769
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 3: months later he took his own life. So let me

770
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,439
Speaker 3: talk about that. There's a lot of success stories. There's

771
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 3: a lot of people who have integrated this work into

772
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 3: their life. But I want to talk about this brother, Andre,

773
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 3: who left behind a wife and a child. And it

774
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 3: saddens me that we are at this point, at this

775
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 3: place where men feel that they have no other alternative

776
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 3: than to not be here. And so that's what I

777
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 3: want to talk about. There's been marriages saved. There have

778
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 3: been men who were kept away from their children for

779
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,240
Speaker 3: years who now have consistent relationships with their children.

780
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: Wow.

781
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 3: For that to happen, for me to be a witness

782
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 3: to that is so profound. But there are so many

783
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 3: brothers suffering in silence because they think they're alone in it.

784
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,720
Speaker 3: They think it's just them and that somehow that they failed.

785
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

786
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's not true. It's not true.

787
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: Deeply, Wow, God, that feeling of failure, the way it

788
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: especially as a male, the way it can dominate you,

789
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: you know, the way that it can just keep you

790
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: in a cycle of avoidance of self for your entire lifetime.

791
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. And that idea again that like, no one cares,

792
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 3: no one, no one would really understand, no one could

793
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 3: relate to my story because I've messed up that bad. Yeah,

794
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 3: it's probably what a lot of people are feeling. And

795
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 3: I believe that we get an opportunity to flip the

796
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 3: script on that story because we do care, We deeply care.

797
00:48:54,760 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 3: And and and so why are whether the stories of

798
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 3: men who are coming through the work. Once you see it,

799
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 3: you can't unsee it. Yeah, like you said, Yeah, and

800
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 3: so there are expansions and contractions. That's just the reality

801
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 3: of any big bang experience, of any transformational experience, any

802
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 3: ceremony you've been to, you can you can you can

803
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 3: have a semblance of what it means to be close

804
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 3: to God. But ultimately we are here on this earth

805
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 3: to be human. And so what happens is men get

806
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,720
Speaker 3: really big. I'm gonna do all the things. I'm gonna

807
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 3: lose the weight, I'm gonna change my life, I'm gonna

808
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 3: get the new job, whatever it is that they're committed to.

809
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 3: And ultimately there's a contraction that happens. And so I

810
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 3: just I like to be very real about it. This

811
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 3: is a path of expansion and contraction. You take two

812
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 3: steps forward, you take one step back. And because I

813
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 3: don't want to give the illusion that it's like one

814
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 3: weekend will change your life forever, it will, It will

815
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 3: inform your life forever. But the change is up to

816
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 3: you and the change happens and the choices that you

817
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:10,240
Speaker 3: make every single day. Awareness and choice, Awareness and choice.

818
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 3: With this awareness, what will I choose? That is what

819
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 3: we are bringing men to the reality of. Now that

820
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 3: you have this awareness, what will you choose? And we're

821
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 3: doing work with veterans. I mentioned police officers as brothers

822
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 3: who are leading in now and who have participated in

823
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 3: sacred sons. We're doing veterans specific work as well, and

824
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 3: we are losing forty four men and women a day

825
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 3: to suicide who have come out of the military.

826
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 1: Wow.

827
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 3: And again we get the opportunity to bring to these

828
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 3: folks like one, here's a place to talk about it,

829
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 3: here's a place to really get it out. And then

830
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 3: on once we kind of exhaust it, now let's do

831
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 3: the work to build you back up. Yeah, and with

832
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 3: all of us, it's just one step out of time.

833
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: Yes, truly. Yes, I'm just so glad that you said that, especially,

834
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: you know, because that's what the journey is for all

835
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: of us, for myself included. Absolutely, you have these big breakthroughs,

836
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: these shifts and awareness, these you know, these timelines, these

837
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: these new ascended areas that you're headed with yourself, and

838
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 1: then you take a step back. It's like you meet

839
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: the sun and then you get to get a little shadow,

840
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 1: then you greet you get a little shadow. But it's

841
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: why we're here. We're oscillating between those polarities. That's what

842
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: it is to exist. But it's about the higher choice

843
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 1: in real time.

844
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 3: Yes, And what these men are also walking away with

845
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 3: which I'm I haven't really touched on, is a bunch

846
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 3: of new friends. Yeah, it's really important. Friendship is like

847
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 3: one of the most powerful gifts we get to give

848
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 3: to one another. And we call it brotherhood and it is,

849
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 3: but it's brotherhood is a verb, you know, it's brotherhood

850
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 3: in action. It's like, what does it mean to show

851
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,720
Speaker 3: up as a brother for someone? Not that I belong

852
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 3: to a brotherhood, but like this brotherhood in action is

853
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 3: really powerful. Yeah, because when the contraction comes, and it will,

854
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 3: who do you have to call? Yeah, it's one of

855
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 3: the things I say at the end of our weekends.

856
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 3: If there's anything you could take away from this weekend

857
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 3: of all the amazing things you have seen and felt,

858
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:29,439
Speaker 3: it would be one friend, one brother who when things

859
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 3: get real, you know, you can pick up the phone

860
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 3: and they'll pick up on the other line. And I

861
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 3: just ask, how many of you men are willing to

862
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 3: pick up the phone if a brother here calls, Every

863
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 3: single hand goes up. You know why because men are providers.

864
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 3: Because men are providers of that safety at our core,

865
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 3: and we are willing to do it. All we need

866
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 3: to be given is the permission. Sacred Sons is here

867
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 3: to give men that permission.

868
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: That is so beautiful. I have a question for you, Adam.

869
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: I think from the viewpoint of a lot of women

870
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: who are in relationship with men, and whether that is

871
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: romantic relationship or family members, parents, I think universally, especially

872
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: because kind of historically men haven't had access to as

873
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: much emotional language or depth or the ability to share it.

874
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: There is this kind of overarching assumption with women that

875
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: men don't care or that they are unwilling to quote

876
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: unquote do the work. They don't want to do it.

877
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 1: Why won't you just do the work?

878
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:32,359
Speaker 3: Right?

879
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: Like, I hear that a lot in a lot of spaces,

880
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: and you know, I think something that we're all coming

881
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: to understand, but definitely you've unpacked on this show is

882
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 1: that's absolutely not the case. Men are longing for it, right?

883
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 1: But how can a woman be more present for any

884
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: masculine in her life that she may not be understanding

885
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: how to relate to? But if possible, and again I'm

886
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 1: not putting the weight of responsibility on anyone, but if

887
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 1: you're listening and this is a desire for you, is

888
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,879
Speaker 1: there are there some ways to invoke those conversations that

889
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: doesn't immediately turn into a defensiveness on both sides.

890
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 3: I've been there myself, you know what I'm saying.

891
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 1: I'm like, how do I exirculate this in the best way,

892
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: but we want answers.

893
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 3: Is there a way, of course, of course, And I

894
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 3: believe there's real benefit to men doing work with other

895
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 3: men and women doing work in groups of women.

896
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:35,919
Speaker 1: Yeah.

897
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:42,879
Speaker 3: I think this is a human quality that we have

898
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 3: again placed on like the nuclear family model, got to

899
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 3: keep it all together inside. And so a lot of

900
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 3: men become defensive because, let's just say, and the example

901
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 3: I gave earlier, because they don't want to be caught

902
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 3: in their own story or their own life. And the

903
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 3: reason why people lie is because they they think that

904
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 3: they're keeping someone safe by not revealing the lie. But

905
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 3: what's actually happening is you're endangering someone, yes, because they

906
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 3: don't know the truth. And so the defense mechanism may

907
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,879
Speaker 3: be there for that reason, but it also may be

908
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 3: there because it's like, Hey, you're the person I'm closest

909
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 3: to being extremely vulnerable with you in this moment without

910
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 3: like I'm saying, the support of a group to literally

911
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 3: hold you. Some of this stuff. Men are divulging for

912
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 3: the first time, maybe ever, whether that's in the form

913
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 3: of relationship of something that happened in their childhood, of

914
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 3: abuse in their childhood, men are trembling when this stuff

915
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 3: comes out and you've seen it, you've seen kind of

916
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 3: from the photos and videos, and so how could I

917
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 3: expect that man's partner to hold all that. That's just

918
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 3: the reality. That's the reality. And so how can how

919
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 3: can a partner to a man really support him? Deep

920
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 3: listening without criticism. Criticism, for sure, is the relationship killer.

921
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 3: Once it becomes like once once something is revealed, and

922
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 3: then immediately it gets some amount of guilt, fear, shame,

923
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 3: criticism put on top of it. We shut down further,

924
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 3: we go deeper into the oh, it's not safe out here. Yeah,

925
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 3: And you know, I would, I would. I would highly

926
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 3: encourage those in relationship, you know, to include the village

927
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 3: or to have friends in that relationship dynamic that are

928
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 3: supportive of the relationship. Yeah, not the not the kind

929
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,479
Speaker 3: of support that's like, man, that dude sucks, you should

930
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 3: get rid of him. Not that.

931
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: Not that. And on the flip side, right, of course,

932
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 1: she's always nagging you, let's go out or let's do.

933
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:07,399
Speaker 3: Yeah right, it's like, no, let me remind you why

934
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 3: you're in that relationship. Let me remind you the you

935
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 3: that I saw when you first got there so that

936
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 3: you can change this behavior or this pattern that's coming up.

937
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 3: And so we need the village not only to raise

938
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 3: the children, but to raise the relationship.

939
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: Yes, right, that's beautiful.

940
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 3: And when that happens, we get out of the cycles

941
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 3: of separation and into the cycles of interconnectedness inter sovereignty.

942
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 3: It doesn't mean I want all my friends up in

943
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 3: my relationship, don't get me wrong. It's just that when

944
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 3: I am not, if I'm revealing something about myself that

945
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 3: seems out of alignment from who you know me to be,

946
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 3: please tell me, Please say, hey, what's going on? Please

947
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 3: call me in. And again I like to say, like,

948
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 3: we're not here to call each other out, We're here

949
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 3: to call each other back in, right, And so that's

950
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 3: that's what that's what we get to provide each other. Yeah,

951
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 3: and again, you know, you know, like I think that

952
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 3: is a trope where men are are talking about their

953
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 3: wives and mutually going into the place of like, oh man,

954
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 3: you know, and whatever the story is, whatever the story is.

955
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 3: But what does it look like to be encouraged in

956
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 3: your marriage? What does it look like to be encouraged

957
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 3: in your fatherhood? What does it look like to be

958
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 3: encouraged to stop watching sports on TV and go fucking play.

959
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 3: Get outside and play. Nothing like, no dunked Lebron does

960
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 3: will feel better than you getting out of a pickup

961
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 3: game and hitting that same shot. Or maybe you can't dunk,

962
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 3: but you hit the three in a pickup game. That

963
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 3: is more fulfilling than watching someone else do it. However,

964
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 3: our culture has conditioned us to watch other people do it,

965
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,479
Speaker 3: and you just sit down and be quiet that time's over,

966
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 3: time to play, time to pray, because how we play

967
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 3: is how we pray, how we feel, you know. Yeah, yeah, okay,

968
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 3: So then so what is the advice there for women?

969
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 3: Encourage your man to get back in his body. Don't

970
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 3: look at it like, oh this is something where I

971
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 3: got to get in there and be his therapist. That

972
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 3: is never going to work in your favor. But encouraging

973
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 3: your man to go play a game of pick up

974
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 3: basketball because you know he loves it and every time

975
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 3: he comes home from it he's lit up. Do that

976
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 3: or whatever the scenario is. Encourage your man to do

977
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 3: the things he loves because that will bring the love

978
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 3: back into your household. Yeah right, it's not about like,

979
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 3: it's not about the getting in there and really figuring

980
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 3: it out. It's about feeling. It's about feeling. So I

981
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 3: think I finally came up with the advice.

982
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 1: Gorgeous, tell me about the event in October.

983
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 3: Oh. Yes, So every year Sacred Sons has an annual convergence.

984
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:03,959
Speaker 3: Sacred Sons Convergence eight is happening in Los Angeles, California,

985
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 3: October fifth through eighth. We are calling in three hundred

986
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 3: men to join us in LA for four days of creation, connection, confrontation,

987
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 3: and celebration. One of the things I love about the

988
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 3: work that we're doing because men's circles have been happening

989
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 3: for ages, right, but we're calling in the big circle.

990
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 3: We're calling in those ripples that really when we see

991
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 3: all these men coming together for the same the same purpose,

992
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 3: which is to love, which is to connect, which is

993
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 3: to become better, not better than each other, but better

994
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 3: than who we were yesterday. Right. And so to see

995
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 3: last year we were in North Carolina, we called in

996
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 3: four hundred and fifty men in North Carolina, LA. Three

997
01:00:56,400 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 3: hundred coming out. We're also holding convergence in Europe in September.

998
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 3: That's in Edinburgh, Scotland. So my brothers around the world

999
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 3: join us.

1000
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 1: Wow.

1001
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 3: This this work is so powerful. And when we do

1002
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 3: it together, when we amplify it, the ripples that are felt,

1003
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 3: just like from the photos, imagine three hundred men taking

1004
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 3: that back into their homes. This is invaluable. This work

1005
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 3: is priceless when it comes down to it, priceless.

1006
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 2: Wow.

1007
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 3: And so yeah, I'm.

1008
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: So excited you're going to be in La. I'm gonna

1009
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 1: I'm going to have all the people signed.

1010
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 3: I'll say this too, just since we're here. We've done

1011
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff in the desert, camping in the

1012
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 3: woods on the Oregon coast. A lot of the things

1013
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 3: we've shown are very wild, and that's been preventative for

1014
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 3: some men who have like never camped.

1015
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 2: Yes.

1016
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so this convergence in La, every man will

1017
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 3: have a bed. We got a really beautiful site and location.

1018
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 3: We have some incredible speakers. I want to shout out

1019
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 3: Kevin Walton holding the cognitive pillar, Kale ka aala Kahi

1020
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 3: holding the physical pillar. Shim's heartwell is holding the relational pillar.

1021
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 3: And so these pillars of what it means to be

1022
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 3: a man, of what honest masculinity looks like. That's what

1023
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 3: we're bringing to convergence and we are inviting all men

1024
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 3: into this. This work is for our fam it is

1025
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 3: for all men. And if you're someone who's been on

1026
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 3: the sidelines witnessing this from afar, now is the time

1027
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 3: get connected.

1028
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 1: Amazing. Wow in La la la la is so just amazing.

1029
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 1: I mean, Okay, as we come to a close of

1030
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 1: the show, I want to invite you, Adam, to we

1031
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 1: do a little soul work at the end of every episode.

1032
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 1: I need it, No, I need you to give it.

1033
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 3: Okay, So I thought you were going to do some

1034
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 3: work on me. I'm ready, I'm ready. I got some

1035
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 3: stuff to share now.

1036
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 1: I would love if you would share for all those

1037
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 1: who are going to be really taking a moment to

1038
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 1: integrate this conversation. I like to ask everyone that listens

1039
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 1: to the episode to really give themselves the week to

1040
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 1: digest something we talked about and investigate anything that may

1041
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 1: arise from this conversation. Give yourself a chance to sink

1042
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 1: your teeth into it and really savor it. What is

1043
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 1: maybe a prompt or a thought to sink into as

1044
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 1: they go through the week.

1045
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 3: So as you go through this week, I think what

1046
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 3: came up for me here is to invite all of

1047
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 3: us to get back into our bodies and to play,

1048
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 3: and to do that with intention, and for that to

1049
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 3: be our prayer, and knowing that as we get into

1050
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 3: our bodies, as we become embodied, that we will let

1051
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 3: allow that energy and will allow that love that we

1052
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 3: have for that physical practice to permeate into our relationships.

1053
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 3: And so let's be in our bodies so that we

1054
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 3: can show up to all of those who need us

1055
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 3: and who need us at our best and who need

1056
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 3: us coming in with a cup full. So whatever that

1057
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 3: takes to fill up our cup in a good way,

1058
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 3: to get us back embodied and to get us in

1059
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 3: a place of honesty, that's the work for this week.

1060
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 3: That is the work. And if if there's anything that's

1061
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 3: preventing you from doing that, that's where we start. And

1062
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:47,439
Speaker 3: the question there would be, what is preventing you from

1063
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 3: feeling whole in your body? And let's take one step

1064
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 3: towards let's take one step towards that. Let's take one

1065
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 3: step towards embodiment.

1066
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 1: Thank you. I am such a deep, deep, deep admirer

1067
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 1: of your work, of the work of all of sacred signs,

1068
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 1: and that just profoundly powerful community that you have built,

1069
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 1: and it is just it is such a joy to

1070
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 1: know you. So thank you so much for joining me

1071
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 1: again on this show.

1072
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, Debbie, and thank you for all the

1073
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 3: work and light and illumination that you are bringing into

1074
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 3: this world with your gifts and for being the essence

1075
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 3: of the mother that you are because we need you too,

1076
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 3: So thank you. It's an honor for me to be here.

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Speaker 1: Truly, love you, Love you all right, Take a deep breath,

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Speaker 1: let the energy move through you. Really sink your teeth

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Speaker 1: big love. We'll be back next week now, mis stay

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