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Speaker 2: All right, here we are on a Tuesday, off a

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Speaker 2: long holiday weekend, Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you, and

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Speaker 2: been a rough win, a rough one.

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Speaker 2: at one Bill's Live. And we'll get to our topic

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Speaker 2: of discussion in just a little bit. But the NFL

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Speaker 2: combine is closing in a week from today, Steve and

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Speaker 2: I will be broadcasting live from Indianapolis. One week from today,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna do the show Monday from here, yep, because

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Speaker 1: we used to go down early and do it on Monday.

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Speaker 2: But the last couple of years nothing set up.

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Speaker 1: On Monday, that's right, So we don't have any places

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll drive down Monday after the show and be

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Speaker 2: there all set up and ready to rock. On Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk with head coach Joe Brady and general manager

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Speaker 2: Brandon Bean and a host of national NFL newsmakers draft gurus.

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Speaker 2: Wall to wall coverage of the NFL combine from US

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Speaker 2: next week. So we look forward to bringing that information

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Speaker 2: to you as we all get up to speed on

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Speaker 2: the twenty twenty six NFL draft class and the mock

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Speaker 2: drafts are starting to pick up steam. Here Steve the

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Speaker 2: latest coming from our good friend Daniel Jeremiah of NFL Network,

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Speaker 2: also color commentary on the Chargers Radio Network. But he

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Speaker 2: released his second mock draft today and for the Bills

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Speaker 2: at pick twenty six, he went with Notre Dame wide

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Speaker 2: receiver Malachi Fields. Fields, who is a true boundary X

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Speaker 2: receiver six four to eighteen, played in a run heavy

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Speaker 2: of reception and sixteen touchdowns in his college career.

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Speaker 1: Three and a half is a fat number.

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Speaker 2: It is not a lot of production there, and he

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Speaker 2: that of Keon Coleman. Right, contested catch guy, big target,

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Speaker 2: it's a relative. I would say it's a B plus

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, the Bills picking where they do their all

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Speaker 2: This year possibly and thus far. And we'll get more

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Speaker 2: has her ear to the ground on the Mock Draft

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Speaker 2: Watch series, which has already begun at Buffalo Bills dot com,

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Speaker 2: because I'm sure we'll catch up with her next week

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Speaker 2: at the Combine for the latest installment of Mock Draft

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Speaker 2: Watch to see where the mock drafters are leaning with

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Speaker 2: We know the bulk of what needs to change and

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Speaker 1: The mock draft is not going to change until the

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Speaker 1: Bill's roster changes with free agency, right you know, they

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Speaker 2: a more robust trade market than we've seen in recent years.

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Speaker 2: With ten new head coaches and new schemes around the league,

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Speaker 2: there are players on rosters that are no longer deemed fits.

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Speaker 2: presented by Kalida Health, and starting today, NFL clubs can

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Speaker 2: make use of the franchise or transition tags on players

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Speaker 1: Him before his achilles injury with Miami, Jalen Phillips was

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Speaker 1: You know, Mike McDaniel just was jumping through fiery hoops

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Speaker 1: The defense could break on it. It was just a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's a messy situation there, to say the least.

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Speaker 2: And they still have more cleaning up to do. New

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Speaker 2: Other news and notes with NFL clubs looking to get

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Speaker 2: on March eleventh. There are several other players across the

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Speaker 2: If it's going If it's going well, you know, I

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Speaker 1: And if you're Pierce, you sign it for sure?

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Speaker 2: talking at One Bills Live on Twitter or x whatever

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Speaker 2: you call it these days, and we will pivot to

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Speaker 2: be made here as we know, and the Bills still

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Speaker 2: have to get cap compliant. They are over the projected cap.

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Speaker 2: The Bills and the rest of the league have only

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Speaker 2: been given a range of what the twenty twenty six

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Speaker 2: cap could be. It's going to be anywhere between three

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Speaker 2: hundred and one and a half and three hundred five

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Speaker 2: and a half million dollars. That's up over twenty million

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Speaker 2: from last year's cap. Of two seven nine point two.

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Speaker 2: But let's go to the tweet sheeet now at one

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Speaker 2: the official equipment moving company of the Buffalo Bills. What

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Speaker 2: is your first roster move for the Bills and why?

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Speaker 2: Connor says restructuring and extending Dawson Knox knocks to me

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Speaker 2: as a Buffalo Bill through and through, he is the

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Speaker 2: one tight end the Bills have that can do just

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Speaker 2: about everything. Is connection with Josh is evident, and I

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Speaker 2: don't think he would turn down a restructured contract to stay.

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Speaker 2: He is a bone of contention, Steve. He has a

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Speaker 2: fat contract that has probably far outweighed his production. Now

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Speaker 2: that's not necessarily his fault because of the way he's

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Speaker 2: been used in the offensive system. He was utilized a

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Speaker 2: little bit more this season due to the injuries to

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Speaker 2: Dalton Kincaid and the lack of production at the receiver position, because,

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Speaker 2: as we've said before, the three tight ends on this

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Speaker 2: roster outscored the eight or nine receivers on this roster

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Speaker 2: twelve touchdowns to eleven. So he was utilized more this season.

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Speaker 2: But he's got a fat cap number, you know, seventeen

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Speaker 2: point eight for this year, so they can save a

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Speaker 2: little over ten million if they move him off the roster.

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Speaker 2: I tend to agree with our first tweeter here. I

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Speaker 2: would tend to think they would try to restructure and

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Speaker 2: maybe extend him. We're only talking like a year or so,

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Speaker 2: I would think because of his value to the roster.

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Speaker 2: In the locker room, he does have a tight relationship

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Speaker 2: with Josh, and you know, Brady and this offensive staff

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Speaker 2: know him intimately in terms of what he can and

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Speaker 2: cannot do.

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Speaker 1: I think his relationship with Josh is irrelevant. As much

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Speaker 1: as those guys might not want it to be, it

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Speaker 1: is has to be. And I think it's more about

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Speaker 1: the fact that they he's dependable. The guy was available

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Speaker 1: every week. The guy shows up in a in a

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Speaker 1: league where everybody's getting hurt and the injuries were a

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Speaker 1: real problem this last year, Knox was always seemed always.

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Speaker 1: He might have missed a game. I can't even remember that.

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Speaker 1: The guy was always there. You need him to show up,

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Speaker 1: he shows up. A restructure, yeah, I would say they'll

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Speaker 1: have a meeting where that will be discussed, whether how

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Speaker 1: much they want him back and certainly, you and I

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Speaker 1: have you know where I feel about this. Don't mess

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Speaker 1: with the others with the offensive side of the ball.

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Speaker 1: You've got to keep it going over there, get better.

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Speaker 2: Especially in year one of a new defense that's going

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Speaker 2: to be trying to get its feet under them and

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Speaker 2: get used to stuff. You know that's going to be

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Speaker 2: in star contrast to what it was previously. So that's

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Speaker 2: the situation that they're dealing with there. So knowing all

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Speaker 2: that change going on the defensive side of the ball,

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Speaker 2: you want to maintain, if not improved, what's going on

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Speaker 2: on offense. Let's don't do that with subtraction.

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Speaker 1: That's right, you don't And I get it. He's making

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Speaker 1: a lot of money, but that is a group of

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Speaker 1: position group that you really leaned on this last year,

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Speaker 1: and if it comes to it again, you want to

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Speaker 1: be able to do it again.

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Speaker 2: Currently has two void years in the contract, so I

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Speaker 2: think you'd want to rework that stuff. He's got a

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Speaker 2: roster bonus of a million and a half due on

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Speaker 2: the fifth day of the new league years, so that

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Speaker 2: would be March sixteenth. I don't know if that's enough

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Speaker 2: to move the needle when we're talking about much bigger

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Speaker 2: numbers in terms of his overall cap hit. And he

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Speaker 2: turns thirty this year. So I think they could have

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Speaker 2: a meeting of the minds and come to some kind

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Speaker 2: of compromise to keep him in a Bill's uniform, you know,

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Speaker 2: and let him be a veteran leader on this football

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Speaker 2: team going forward. So I'm not opposed to what Connor

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Speaker 2: was suggesting. Jim on the tweets sheet says, take our

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Speaker 2: first round pick and trade back twice. Load up on

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Speaker 2: second to fifth round picks. So many needs at starting

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Speaker 2: positions and back end roster depth, more throws at the dartboard.

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Speaker 2: So Jim is subscribing to a volume approach. Steve, I

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Speaker 2: get it. It's worked for other teams. You think about

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Speaker 2: two teams that people joke about all the time, Seattle

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Speaker 2: and the Rams. They never pick in the first round,

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Speaker 2: they trade out all the time. Two teams are looking

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Speaker 2: pretty good in terms of their rosters. Now, you got

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Speaker 2: to hit on those volume of picks, but at least

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Speaker 2: it affords you greater margin for error if you have

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Speaker 2: more picks and more kicks in the camp.

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Speaker 1: They're doing it different ways too. Seattle has got good

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Speaker 1: quarterback play. The Rams have it the MVP, so it's

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Speaker 1: two different builds of the roster. Rams aren't doing it

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Speaker 1: with defense, they're doing it with offense. So no matter

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Speaker 1: how you want to do it, if you want to

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Speaker 1: trade back and get into the middle rounds, we'll start

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Speaker 1: hitting on picks. Build your roster for the best players

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Speaker 1: that are in those rounds, and you should be able

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Speaker 1: to drastically improve your roster. But you it's the same

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Speaker 1: conversation we always have. They got to nail the draft.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the way.

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Speaker 1: It is, teams.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you have and look, you can make

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Speaker 2: this argument too if you want. You're picking so late

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Speaker 2: in the first round anyway, and we always hear this

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Speaker 2: story every year. GM say, wow, we only got twenty

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Speaker 2: pot prospects with first round grades, right, and we're picking

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Speaker 2: twenty six. Well, if that's the case, what's the difference.

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Speaker 2: If you're moving out a round one and you slide

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Speaker 2: back to pick thirty five from twenty six, you move

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Speaker 2: back nine spots and you pick up a four or three.

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Speaker 2: You know, now you got one extra pick on Day

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Speaker 2: two and you're only picking nine spots later than you

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Speaker 2: were in round one. I mean, if you believe there's

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Speaker 2: a middle market flush with talent betweens round two and four,

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Speaker 2: that's a move that you probably make to get an

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Speaker 2: extra swing in another prospect.

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Speaker 1: Right, and you can't. I won't say you can't. That's

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Speaker 1: why Brandon Bean moves around as much as he does.

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Speaker 1: There's value to be had. And this team under McDermott

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Speaker 1: all those years and being you said it a ton,

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Speaker 1: this building was very good at getting players in the

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Speaker 1: middle to late rounds and developing them and they become

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Speaker 1: really really good players, you know, Christian Benford, Terrell Bernard,

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Speaker 1: Tarren Johnson, Matt Mulano going on, Spencer Brown, the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: So that's something you got to lean into, I think,

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Speaker 1: and if you can.

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Speaker 2: Get well, if that's what your strength is, right is

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Speaker 2: leaning on the value of what you deem to be

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Speaker 2: sitting there on your board, will will go a long

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Speaker 2: way into taking that kind of approach. Like if you

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Speaker 2: think there's a there's a precipitous drop off at three

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Speaker 2: or four positions that you know you're going to be

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Speaker 2: in the market for after for example, round two, right,

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Speaker 2: well that might change your approach because what's the point

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Speaker 2: of getting volume in rounds two, three, and four, if

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Speaker 2: the prospects at the positions you're looking for are just

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Speaker 2: not going to be there talent wise because there's no

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Speaker 2: depth at the position.

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Speaker 1: And the key to do it is alludes to what

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Speaker 1: you just said or piggybacks off it. You don't want

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Speaker 1: to go into a draft having to pick a certain position, right.

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Speaker 1: Free agency has got to fill the gaps, and then

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Speaker 1: the draft has got to give you a swing at

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Speaker 1: getting a star at whatever position you plays, whatever that

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Speaker 1: position is, and if it's a position you're very deep at,

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Speaker 1: who cares. If you're getting a guy that can be

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Speaker 1: an All Pro, you're better. You're better. That's what the

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Speaker 1: philosophy has to be. When you go to the draft.

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Speaker 1: You've got to be able to pick the absolute best

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Speaker 1: player on the board, no matter what position he plays.

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Speaker 1: That's what free agency can do for you is get

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Speaker 1: the the obvious positional emergencies taken care of or at

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Speaker 1: least smoothed over, and so you can take a swing

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Speaker 1: in the draft and see if you can get a

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Speaker 1: player that can really be an All Pro. Because if

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Speaker 1: you're going to get you if free agency gave you

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Speaker 1: an all Pro, yes you might get an all Pro.

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Speaker 1: But you're gonna crush your salary cap to do it.

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Speaker 1: The draft, it's virtually free labor, right, So that's what

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Speaker 1: you're really that's when you can really add value to

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Speaker 1: your roster. So that's what you why you want to

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Speaker 1: be in a position. You don't have to take certain

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Speaker 1: positions when you get to the draft.

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Speaker 2: Jacob on the tweet, she says, get younger, faster, trade

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Speaker 2: or release Knox, Taron Johnson and Olive Hervey's not a

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Speaker 2: good fit in the new defense. Landon Jackson, Bernard if

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Speaker 2: not a good fit, free up cap space long term,

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Speaker 2: get assets if you can. This is kind of a

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Speaker 2: scorched earth approach. That's a long list. I will say this,

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Speaker 2: I think Landon Jackson is a fit in this defense,

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Speaker 2: and you don't know what he is yet, so I

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Speaker 2: would wait on that. It wouldn't surprise me at all

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Speaker 2: if Landon Jackson, who played at two sixty seven last

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Speaker 2: year before getting injured and missing the rest of the season,

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Speaker 2: is asked to play that five technique slash four e

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Speaker 2: position at defensive end in a three to four and

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Speaker 2: get up to two eighty and play there. When he

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Speaker 2: was at Arkansas, he played in a three stacked defense.

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Speaker 2: Not all that different from what we saw the Bills

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Speaker 2: turn too late in the season last year when they

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Speaker 2: were playing that three to three five nickel package. Arkansas

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Speaker 2: played that a lot his last two years there, and

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Speaker 2: he played the defensive end spot at the five techniques.

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Speaker 2: So to me, that's not a heavy lift for a

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Speaker 2: guy of that length and who already plays at two

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Speaker 2: sixty seven. Push him to two eighty and put him

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Speaker 2: in the five technique spot and you got a defensive

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Speaker 2: end there. I'm curious to see if they have Greg

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Speaker 2: Russeau do the same thing. He's a little bit lighter,

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Speaker 2: but he's the same length. Do they put him at

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Speaker 2: end on the other side, or do they have him

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Speaker 2: play stand up? I don't know. I'm curious to see

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Speaker 2: how that works. But I think Landon Jackson is a fit.

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Speaker 1: We've already talked about Bernard as well. Bernard's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a great week side inside linebacker, and that he played

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Speaker 1: that in college and was very effective. That's why he

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Speaker 1: got picked by the Bills. He made the switch from

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Speaker 1: three to four to four to three to be a Bill.

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Speaker 1: He'll just flip the switch and go back to the

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Speaker 1: other side to the weak side away from the tight end.

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Speaker 1: And you know Presto Chango, he's all set that he'll be.

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Speaker 1: I think he is probably the least worrisome player to

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Speaker 1: make the position switch.

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Speaker 2: Taron Johnson is an interesting case. Steve now thirty years

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Speaker 2: of age. Guy's been a dog his whole career. He'll

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Speaker 2: turn thirty in July, and he's I mean they can

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Speaker 2: get out from under his contract now and save some

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Speaker 2: money here in twenty twenty six. Approximately, well not as

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Speaker 2: much as I thought about two maybe three million. I

655
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Speaker 2: don't know if that's enough savings to justify it. But

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Speaker 2: does the scheme impact how you intend to use Taron Johnson?

657
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 2: I mean, whether you're playing a four to three or

658
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 2: three four, you still need a nickel corner. We know this.

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Speaker 2: What are the plans for Jordan Hancock? Is he going

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Speaker 2: to play more nickel or is he going to play

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Speaker 2: more safety? So there are a lot of things here

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Speaker 2: that you have to analyze and decide upon.

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Speaker 1: This is a you're getting into the weeds when you're

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Speaker 1: talking about how they're going to use Taron Johnson. I mean,

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Speaker 1: what's it going to be? Here's we've talked a lot

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Speaker 1: about having guys that it's it's confusing for an offensive

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Speaker 1: line to have six guys in the front box or

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, seven guys in the box, five guys at

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Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage and then two linebackers behind him,

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Speaker 1: the five man front, and you don't know which four

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Speaker 1: guys are gonna rush. Well, and here's where Taron Johnson

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Speaker 1: comes into it. If you're gonna play man coverage, you

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Speaker 1: gotta have two edge guys, stand up guys, or four

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Speaker 1: of them, two inside and two outside that can cover man.

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Speaker 1: Otherwise they know who's rushing. Right. If you've got limited linebackers,

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Speaker 1: guys that are big and like like Brownie's been outlining,

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Speaker 1: these physical guys, all of them have to have at

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Speaker 1: least somewhere in their repertoire the ability to cover even

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Speaker 1: a big, fat, unathletic tight end or a full back

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Speaker 1: or what. They gotta cover somebody in man coverage. If

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Speaker 1: they can't, then the offense will always know, forget it,

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Speaker 1: he's not covering anybody, so we're gonna block him. They're

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Speaker 1: not dropping him into coverage and man, you know, the

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Speaker 1: quarterback will be back there deciphering. They'll say, okay, it's man,

685
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Speaker 1: so I know this guy's not covering anybody because he can't.

686
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Speaker 1: They don't ask him to. So that don't you become predictable.

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Speaker 1: So then you throw in Okay, you got it. Now

688
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: you got this nickelback. So now Arren has to come

689
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Speaker 1: on the field. If Tarren comes on the field, okay,

690
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: now they can play man. So all this gets into

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Speaker 1: the weeds of a coaching staff and a game day

692
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Speaker 1: mentality of like, how are we gonna work this?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? And with the new staff here, your guess is

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Speaker 2: as good as mine, yeah, because we don't know. We

695
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 2: haven't been around them enough to know how they think

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Speaker 2: about certain players on the roster or what they deem

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Speaker 2: to be ideal fits for certain positions within their scheme.

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Speaker 2: We'll learn that as we go, but here at the

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Speaker 2: outset of it, we're just speculating and guessing, right.

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Speaker 1: But it does present a different set of problems with

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Speaker 1: Taron Johnson in particular, because seven guys in the front,

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Speaker 1: is he gonna be one of them? Because if you

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Speaker 1: put him out on the field, somebody's got to come

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Speaker 1: off right, and it's gonna if it's a safety. Okay,

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Speaker 1: well you got one safety, Tarren Johnson. You've got three corners,

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Speaker 1: but you still only got four dbs. Right, He's always

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Speaker 1: been the fifth. That's It's it that tension in the

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Speaker 1: four three three four and the dbs and linebackers and

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Speaker 1: how they interact, it becomes very much.

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Speaker 2: It's a tipping point decision.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a tipping point as to who can do what.

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Speaker 1: And pretty soon, all of a sudden, you've got this.

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Speaker 1: You know, Taron Johnson's on the field all the time.

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Speaker 1: Now you're right back to having four guys that are

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Speaker 1: the same four guys rushing all the time, two linebackers

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Speaker 1: and a nickelback. And that's and now you're predictable again.

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Speaker 1: So we'll see. It's a it's a real question mark, uh,

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Speaker 1: And it'll depend on how the stand up outside linebackers

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Speaker 1: and inside linebackers, how good they are covering guys one

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Speaker 1: on one.

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Speaker 2: The other fit everybody's wondering about is that of Ed Oliver.

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Speaker 2: We'll take a break here, but we'll discuss that a

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Speaker 2: little bit more with the new three to four scheme next.

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Speaker 2: As we continue to take your tweets, what is your

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Speaker 2: first roster move for the Bills and why or your

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Speaker 2: comments next here on one Bills Live, stay with us.

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Speaker 2: What is your first roster move for the Bills and why?

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Speaker 2: That is the question we posed to you today at

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Speaker 2: one Bills Live on Twitter. So respond and let us

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Speaker 2: know what you have in store for Buffalo's rosters to

731
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Speaker 2: make it better as you see it. We have to

732
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 2: get back to the tweetsheet where Jacob had more than

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Speaker 2: his first roster move. He had about seven of them,

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Speaker 2: so we were sifting our way through some of them,

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Speaker 2: and he said trade or release ed Oliver if deemed

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Speaker 2: to not be a fit. And once again we're right

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Speaker 2: back where we were last segment when we were talking

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Speaker 2: about we don't know what the defensive staff thinks of

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Speaker 2: players they are inheriting. There will be an evaluation. They

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Speaker 2: will undoubtedly review them on tape if they are new

741
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 2: to the coaching staff, and make their assessments and deem, yep,

742
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Speaker 2: this guy's a fit. He can play in our system.

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00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 2: You know this, that and the other. I don't know

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00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 2: if this guy has the measurables you know, to play

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Speaker 2: the position X in a three to four, So we

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Speaker 2: may have to consider moving him via trade or some

747
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Speaker 2: other means. And there is a lot of speculation around

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Speaker 2: at Oliver because he's an undersized player no matter what

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Speaker 2: system you play in. But in a three to four

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Speaker 2: the reason his lack of length and weight is more

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Speaker 2: of an issue is because when you're only playing a

752
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 2: three man underfront, the gaps are wider, they're bigger, and

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00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 2: so it's better to be longer to be more effective

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Speaker 2: in filling those gaps. That's just one part of the equation.

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Speaker 2: And ed is you know, he goes to eighty seven

756
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Speaker 2: and he's six, and he has thirty one inch arms.

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00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 2: That's not long, and you don't often see players of

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Speaker 2: his physical stature in a defensive scheme like this. Now,

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00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 2: again we're only guessing, but Jacob says, Trader release him

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Speaker 2: if they don't think he's a fit.

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Speaker 1: I get it.

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Speaker 2: We'll have to see where they come down on that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he does have a role, and he's a

764
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 1: great disruptor in the run. In the past game when

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00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: he's a penetrator fast, you know, he's quick. He's got

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Speaker 1: enough speed and athleticism to get around slower dump your

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00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: offensive lineman in particular, it doesn't matter if they're slower

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Speaker 1: or sluggish. If he's singled by the good guys he's

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Speaker 1: a problem. So his ability to grab a double team

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Speaker 1: needs to stay as part of his game. If they

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Speaker 1: move him out three feet in between the tackle guard

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Speaker 1: instead of the guard center, or head up on the guard,

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Speaker 1: or maybe inside shade on the tackle, you know, that's

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Speaker 1: that's gonna change his angles, what he's potting, what he

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Speaker 1: can do. Yeah, it's gonna be something he's gonna have

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Speaker 1: to figure out. Now. Certainly, I think he's got the

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Speaker 1: ability to do it. Uh, he'll need some coaching up

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Speaker 1: on it, and he'll needs to watch some guys do it.

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Speaker 1: It won't be like night and day, obviously, but it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be interesting to see how they handle him and

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Speaker 1: how he acclimates to this. Uh, there's there's just as

782
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Speaker 1: much chance that he comes in and all of a

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00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: sudden he thrives. If you get the right guy on

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Speaker 1: the outside of him and the right guy on the

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Speaker 1: inside of him, and they have a great rapport and

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Speaker 1: they communicate really well, it could be something that Ed

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Speaker 1: thrives in as the other two guys around him. But

788
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Speaker 1: we have yet to see what that's gonna look like.

789
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Speaker 1: There's a lot in this. It means more to the

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00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: individual guys, probably then it does the team as a

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00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:06,240
Speaker 1: whole three four four three because the responsibilities the field

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00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,919
Speaker 1: doesn't change, the zones don't change, the jobs don't change,

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00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: get to the quarterback kind of stuff, but the exact

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00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 1: guys you getting matched up with on a down to

795
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: down basis does change a little bit. For those guys

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Speaker 1: with their hand on the ground, instead of a guard center,

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Speaker 1: it's a guard tackle or a tackle tight end or

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Speaker 1: a tackle running back, and that can make a difference

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Speaker 1: for guys. It's these are questions, man, we're not going

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00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: to know the answer to until we get into OTAs

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00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: and training camp and the whole shooting match. It's and

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00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 1: I think with Jim Leonard and his staff, they will

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Speaker 1: probably have had some experience getting guys acclimated and knowing

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00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: the important things for small guys at that position and

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00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 1: big guys at that position, and vice vera, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. So they'll have some techniques that they

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00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 1: can go to. But man, oh man, the are you

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00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: talk about starting from square one? They're doing it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Oliver, whether he is traded or released, would only

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00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 2: be a minor cap savings of about two point three

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Speaker 2: five million dollars, and that's if it's done before June first,

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Speaker 2: which you would imagine if there is any team interested

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Speaker 2: in acquiring him via trade, they would want it done

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Speaker 2: sooner rather than later so they know what they would

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Speaker 2: be chasing in the draft position wise, So I don't

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Speaker 2: think a post June one trade is realistic, in which

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00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 2: case the savings would be far more significant because you

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00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 2: could push half the money into next year. Stranger things

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Speaker 2: have happened.

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Speaker 1: It could happen. You know, when they get into this

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Speaker 1: and they get a couple of months into it and

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Speaker 1: they think, you know, the edge's not working that kind

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Speaker 1: of thing, then they'll do it out of it. Won't

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00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: the economics will be a bonus. They won't care about that.

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Speaker 1: They'll just need to move on. I doubt that it'll

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Speaker 1: get to that, because that's just too good to like

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Speaker 1: totally flop at a new role.

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Speaker 2: MM.

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Speaker 1: So that's you know, that big gray area in there,

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Speaker 1: whether he's thriving or whether it's not his role, but

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Speaker 1: he's such a good athlete he can make it work.

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Speaker 1: Somewhere in there is where they're going to have to decide,

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Speaker 1: you know, if the money's going to work or if

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Speaker 1: his role is going to be there One.

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Speaker 2: Of the many roster decisions that will take place between

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Speaker 2: now and the draft. Presumably that's probably your timeline in essence,

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Speaker 2: with the league here opening on March eleventh. Got to

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Speaker 2: take a break here, but when we come back, we'll

839
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Speaker 2: take more of your tweets. What is your first roster

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Speaker 2: move for the Bills and why?

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Speaker 3: You?

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Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you and asking you to

848
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Speaker 2: put on your GM hat today. What is your first

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Speaker 2: roster move for the bills and why? Tweet sheet add

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Speaker 2: one Bills Live. Give us your comments there. We'll be

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Speaker 2: happy to read them on the air as we wait

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Speaker 2: to get our new phone lines up and running, hopefully

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Speaker 2: sooner rather than later. Km Conway on the tweet sheet says,

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Speaker 2: restructure Knox's contract and extend Kincaid. Knox has been a

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00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 2: popular subject the discussion in this area. I think we've

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Speaker 2: kind of covered that.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 2: Extending Kincaid, though, Steve, is an interesting question here because

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Speaker 2: we heard Brandon Bean at the season wrap up press

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Speaker 2: conference indicate that they plan to pick up Dalton Kinkaid's

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Speaker 2: fifty year option, which I believe came out to about

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Speaker 2: eight and three quarter million.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're going to pick that up, but you're

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Speaker 1: going to make him show that he can stay healthy

865
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 1: for entire year. Yeah, and be the kind of player

866
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 1: that you know he's got the potential of being. You're

867
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: not letting Knox go because unless unless you think Jackson

868
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 1: Hawes is the be all end all and he moves

869
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: up the pecking order, there's no way Dawson Knox leaves

870
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: the building in my opinion.

871
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 2: Right And to your point about player health, I think

872
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 2: Dalton Kincaid has to show he can get through a

873
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 2: seventeen game season and this year, you know. And that's

874
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 2: why I think the fifty year option is the right play,

875
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 2: because you're not making a long term commitment because in

876
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 2: the event that you know Kinkaid again is going to

877
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 2: miss three, four five games a season, you can't give

878
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 2: franchise altering money to a tight end that can't stay

879
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 2: on the field a majority of the season, or even

880
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 2: when he is on the field, he's not playing at

881
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 2: one hundred percent. It's been a problem each of the

882
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 2: last two seasons.

883
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: He's been productive, yes, but can Kaid has been a

884
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: great player when he's been healthy, but it's been completely healthy.

885
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,240
Speaker 1: He has not been a great player when he's dragging

886
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: around an injury or out of the lineup, obviously, and

887
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: that's been very, very frequent in his time here in Buffalo.

888
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: I think they like him, and I think there's no

889
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: question he can be an elite pass catching tight end

890
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 1: in the NFL when he's one hundred percent healthy. And

891
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: I think the fear is the worst case is he

892
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: comes back and has another year or his knee and

893
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 1: you know, completely goes. He has to miss the rest

894
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: of the season, get it fixed. And now you've got

895
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: a question of do we bring him back after this

896
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: knee surgery, hoping he's completely fixed and he can come

897
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: back and be as good as he was, or do

898
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: we turn him loose and start from scratch again.

899
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 2: I think the fifth year option, though, is a good placeholder.

900
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely, to.

901
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 2: Indicate, Look, here's our commitment to you. You've done pretty

902
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,879
Speaker 2: well here. Let's get through this fourth year healthy aunt

903
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 2: still on your rookie contract, and then you know if

904
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 2: you exceed expectations to the point where we do want

905
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 2: to lock you up long term, well then we tear

906
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 2: up the fifth year option and give you a nice

907
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,760
Speaker 2: three year extension or whatever. You know. Right, the terms

908
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 2: are that they decide upon the question. You go from there.

909
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: Are they going to get seventeen games out of him

910
00:51:58,120 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 1: this coming year?

911
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 2: Right? And I think they would. I think they would

912
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 2: rather see how it plays out. I think they want

913
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 2: to play the weight and see game. And so the

914
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 2: fifth year option is an excellent way to demonstrate some

915
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,760
Speaker 2: measure of commitment without giving up the farm and saying

916
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 2: this guy is a franchise difference maker when you know,

917
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 2: based on player availability, you're not one hundred percent sure yet,

918
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 2: So see how the twenty sixth season plays out, and

919
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 2: then go from there. Henry says, I keep hearing about

920
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 2: trading Dawkins. How big is the drop off with Grabel

921
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:37,280
Speaker 2: or Vandermark. I would consider trading one of the following

922
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 2: Dawkins to save more money in twenty twenty seven and

923
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 2: beyond Grabel or Vandermark. So many needs on defense and

924
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 2: wide receiver, interior own line trade from the position of strength, Well,

925
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 2: first of all, Vandermark is a restricted free agent, so

926
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 2: they would have to tender him to retain his rights

927
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 2: for another year. After doing that, if you could move

928
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 2: him for a defensive asset or heck, even a draft pick,

929
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 2: I'd be open to that. And I think he's got

930
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 2: enough game tape where he would merit interest on the

931
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 2: open market. We've often said, Steve, there's probably about ten

932
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 2: other teams in the league that would be happy to

933
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 2: have him as a starting.

934
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 1: Right tackle, maybe more. But yeah, yeah, he played remember

935
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: this last year, he played in the Chiefs.

936
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 2: Game, played against played for Spencer Brown.

937
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: For Spencer Brown in the Chiefs game in a game

938
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: they won. He has acquitted himself extremely well when he

939
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: has gotten a chance to play both at guard and center,

940
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: I mean guard and tackle. So Vandermark is probably a

941
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,399
Speaker 1: little bit more coveted, a more well known asset then

942
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: a lot of people would know, because the offensive line

943
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 1: of the Bills has been so stable over the last

944
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:55,760
Speaker 1: two years. Not you know, you'd have to go deep

945
00:53:56,280 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: to find vandermark tape.

946
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:05,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's I think he could command some either

947
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,760
Speaker 2: draft capital in return or some kind of defensive player

948
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 2: asset and a player for player deal. I'm not saying

949
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 2: like a frontline starter, but I don't think it's any

950
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 2: secret that the defensive roster not only needs frontline players,

951
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 2: but they need depth too. And you could get a

952
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 2: depth player easily in return. I think for a Ryan Vandermark.

953
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would not. I would not classify him as

954
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: a backup tackle. I think he's a starting quality tackle.

955
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. And if you can convince you know, an interested

956
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 2: party of that, then you say, well, look, I'm giving

957
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 2: you a guy that's going to start in your lineup.

958
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 2: Give me a guy that can start.

959
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: In mind, he has played very well for this team.

960
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 2: Yes, so I thought, I'm yeah, so that the thought

961
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 2: about trading from a position of strength, Yeah, offensive tackles

962
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,760
Speaker 2: of strength. You've got four guys that can play. Tyland Grable,

963
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,760
Speaker 2: he's been on injured reserve the first two years that's.

964
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 1: There has been. He's a developmental guy, but he's an

965
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: athlete and his but his injuries have not been made up.

966
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: I mean, so his his durability and his availability would

967
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: be a question mark. If you're going to say, like

968
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:13,720
Speaker 1: start leaning on him, you got to think, Okay, what's

969
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: is he going to be able to stay healthy enough

970
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,760
Speaker 1: to be on the field, but he's he's a really

971
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 1: good athlete, big dude. So it'll be interesting to see

972
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 1: what they do with their offensive line, how committed they

973
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: are to McGovern and Edwards, the two free agents they have,

974
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: which one they want to sign, if either and if

975
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 1: they don't, it'll tell you a lot about how good

976
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: they feel about their depth, because there's no I mean,

977
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 1: they're not going to revamp everything. Vander Marks a heck

978
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: of a player, grabil Is a is a great is

979
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,720
Speaker 1: a really good player. We don't know that much about Grabel,

980
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,800
Speaker 1: but they've kept him around for a reason. That guy's

981
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: a really athletic, big dude. So it'll be interesting to

982
00:55:58,080 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 1: see what they do.

983
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,319
Speaker 2: I don't know the bills, and yeah.

984
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 1: It may come down to what he's what Henry and

985
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,919
Speaker 1: his tweet says, we got all these guys, let's get

986
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 1: something for them and go with the guys we can keep. Yeah.

987
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 2: April seventeenth is the deadline for NFL teams to tender

988
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 2: qualifying offers too restricted free agents, and well, actually April

989
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 2: seventeenth is the deadline for a restricted free agent to

990
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 2: sign a qualifying offer so they can be offered, you know,

991
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 2: a one year qualifying offer from their team that holds

992
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 2: their rights from now up until April sixteenth, and they

993
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 2: got to sign it by April seventeenth to you know,

994
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 2: to ensure they're coming back for another season. So that's

995
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 2: kind of the timeline there. Alec Anderson is another restricted

996
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 2: free agent on the Bills roster, and I would imagine

997
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 2: they would want to keep him in the fold, especially

998
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 2: knowing the prospect exists for David Edwards to depart and

999
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 2: or Connor McGovern to part via free agency, so it'd

1000
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 2: be easier to get Alec Anderson back in the fold

1001
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,439
Speaker 2: as a restricted free agent. And as we said, Ryan

1002
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:12,720
Speaker 2: Vandermark is also a restricted free agent. The third restricted

1003
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 2: free agent is bailin Spector, who came back to the

1004
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 2: team late in the year. So I would think Anderson

1005
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 2: and Vandermark would be high on the priority list. And

1006
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 2: then if somebody inquires about Vandermark, who they will still

1007
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 2: get at a very cheap price even on a restricted

1008
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 2: free agent contract, that's when you can start talking turkey

1009
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 2: and see if you can get a defensive asset in

1010
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 2: return for a player like vander Mark, who I think

1011
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 2: would command some demand on the open on the on

1012
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 2: the trade market, so we'll see how that plays out

1013
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 2: as well. I just think that, yeah, they may have

1014
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 2: to move somebody from a position to strength, and tackle

1015
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 2: would be near the top of the list, I think,

1016
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 2: unless you look at your defensive tackle position and don't

1017
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 2: see fits for your scheme and then suddenly you see

1018
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 2: yourself with a surplus there. But they have a lot

1019
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 2: of free agents of that position as well. You know,

1020
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 2: Daikwon Jones, Jordan Phillips, Larry Ogunjobi. These are all defensive

1021
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 2: tackles whose contracts are up as well. So I don't

1022
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 2: know if you would consider that a position of strength

1023
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 2: from which to trade, that's the question. Let me see here.

1024
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 2: We had another comment on the tweets sheet that I

1025
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 2: wanted to get to. Mitch says, I think they should

1026
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 2: do Josh Allen and Dion Dawkins restructures to free up

1027
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 2: cap space and look at trading for wide receiver if

1028
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 2: they can't. I think Josh Allen getting his contract restructured

1029
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 2: is pretty much a foregone conclusion because I believe they

1030
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 2: can save a little more than twenty million on the

1031
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 2: cap by doing that, So that would clear out an

1032
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 2: awful lot of space. For them, and Josh Allen's not

1033
00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 2: going anywhere, So what's the big deal if you extended

1034
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 2: year or whatnot? Right? And I would be inclined to

1035
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 2: extend Dawkins. There's all these There was this speculation last

1036
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 2: week about trading Dion Dawkins when you already have a

1037
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 2: center and a guard that you might lose via free agency.

1038
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 2: Why would you clip your left tackle off the roster too.

1039
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 2: That'll be sixty percent of your starting O line.

1040
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: On the side of the ball. You've got to have

1041
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: play well right out of the gate. You can't. You

1042
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: can't wait to hope that you get five offensive linemen

1043
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 1: that jel on two preseason games in a training camp.

1044
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,959
Speaker 1: Yeah you got, but you're gonna have those playing with set.

1045
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: You're gonna set in stone. Those guys are it. Here

1046
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: we go, let's go, let's take off. Now. You might

1047
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 1: convince me if if all of a sudden, Tyland Grable

1048
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: turns out. I said, yeah, we've been waiting on him.

1049
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:44,919
Speaker 1: This is a chance we've been waiting. This guy's gonna

1050
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: be great. He's gonna move into left tackle and we

1051
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 1: then we're gonna move Alec Anderson in there, and the

1052
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: whoever and vander Mark's gonna or vander Mark is gonna

1053
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 1: be the guard and uh Van pray Green, all these guys,

1054
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 1: they're all gonna be you know, we've got guys in

1055
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 1: the building. We feel really good about the fight. Because

1056
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 1: those guys have been to the building. They'll come together

1057
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 1: a little bit faster. But you're not going to trade

1058
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 1: your left tackle in a year like this. I mean

1059
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 1: you can convince yourself that, yeah, we got a guy

1060
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 1: who's gonna plug in. He's been waiting in the wings.

1061
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: It's time for him to come in and do this. Okay,

1062
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 1: well I've listened to that. We haven't heard that yet.

1063
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Lou on the tweet sheets says, release Samuel redo

1064
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 2: knocks for two years. See if tarn will take a

1065
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 2: pay cut. See if you can redo Oliver's contract or

1066
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 2: trade him. I like the idea of trading down and

1067
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 2: having two two's and two threes. If you trade down

1068
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 2: about ten spots if there's someone who wants to move up.

1069
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 2: So he's talking both current roster and future roster there.

1070
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 2: But I think a lot of people are wondering what's

1071
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 2: to become of Curtis Samuel because I think the expectations

1072
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 2: after he signed a three year deal here were pretty

1073
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 2: lofty in terms of what he could do as a

1074
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 2: field stretcher, you know, a multifaceted player. But the production

1075
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 2: just has simply not been there. And they have an

1076
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 2: out in his contract after the second year now where

1077
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 2: they can save a little over six million dollars by

1078
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 2: moving him off the roster and knowing they got to

1079
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 2: shed some money here to be cap compliant, logic tells

1080
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 2: you he would be a candidate. So we'll see where

1081
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 2: that ends up. They're only one year into the Joshua

1082
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 2: Palmer contract. I think he's going to be staying put

1083
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 2: and they'll hope he has a healthier twenty twenty six

1084
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 2: than he did twenty twenty five. But Samuel's been here

1085
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 2: two years, the production has been down, the availability has

1086
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 2: been way down due to injury, and it becomes more

1087
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 2: and more difficult to justify the expense at eight million

1088
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 2: per season, and he's got a nine and a half

1089
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 2: million dollar cap hit coming up this year, so I

1090
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 2: think it's only logical to think that he would be

1091
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 2: a prime candidate.

1092
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, they would save six a little over six million

1093
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 1: with Samuel, and that that wouldn't even leave a void

1094
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 1: in your production because he's been so absent. So that's

1095
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 1: that seems a foregone conclusion, although we don't know. They

1096
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 1: may still love the guy.

1097
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 2: It's seven receptions last year. Yeah, that's rough, So I mean,

1098
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 2: at that price tag, that's that's tough to deal with.

1099
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 2: I don't think there's any question about that. So we'll

1100
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 2: see where it lands. I mean, maybe they redo something

1101
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 2: and get something that's more cost effective for the bills,

1102
01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 2: but who knows. He mentioned, but also perhaps getting Tarn

1103
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 2: Johnson to restructure. I suppose you could do that. He's

1104
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 2: got base salary of a little over eight million this year,

1105
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 2: a cap hit of eleven, so you want to massage

1106
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 2: that a little bit. He's done that for the team

1107
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 2: in the past. You'd have to see where that goes.

1108
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 2: But these are the kinds of conversations that Brandon Bean's

1109
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 2: gonna have to have with the agents of some of

1110
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 2: these veteran players on Buffalo's roster. That's just part of

1111
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 2: doing business this time of year. It's kind of part

1112
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:36,479
Speaker 2: for the course. So we'll have to wait and see

1113
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 2: what decisions are made, whether it's release, whether it's restructure, contract,

1114
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 2: extension or a trade. All of those options are obviously

1115
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 2: at Brandon Bean's disposal. The one other thing we saw

1116
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 2: out there was Bill Barnwell put a story together on

1117
01:03:56,600 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 2: ESPN dot com about trade proposals that he feels fits

1118
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 2: for both teams, and the one trade proposally had involved

1119
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 2: the Bills. So I'm gonna run this one by you, Steve.

1120
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 1: All right, let me, let's hear it, he says.

1121
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 2: The Bills, in a trade with the Jacksonville Jaguars get

1122
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 2: wide receiver Brian Thomas Junior and a fifth round pick

1123
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 2: this year. The Jaguars get Keon Coleman and a first

1124
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 2: round pick. So you're giving up your one this year

1125
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 2: and Keon Coleman for Brian Thomas in a five in return.

1126
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 2: I don't know that i'd do that.

1127
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:34,959
Speaker 1: I don't either.

1128
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 2: I'd be interested in Brian Thomas, but I don't know

1129
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:42,959
Speaker 2: if I'm giving up that much. Yeah, I'm not giving

1130
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 2: up that much for him. That seems rather steep, especially

1131
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 2: after a season in which Brian Thomas had a down

1132
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 2: year by all accounts. There's also no secret that Jacksonville

1133
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 2: has a very crowded receiver room now. They signed Jakobe

1134
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 2: Myers to an extension after acquiring him via trade. Parker

1135
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 2: Washington is a featured player in that offense, and Travis

1136
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 2: Hunter was injured the second half of the year. He's

1137
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 2: coming back. So if you have a true offensive role

1138
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 2: for him that you want him to fill, Brian Thomas

1139
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 2: is your fourth receiver.

1140
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 1: Well they've been they've been talking to about Travis Hunter

1141
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 1: becoming a full time corner and a part time receiver,

1142
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 1: which I thought that's what they should have done right

1143
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 1: from the jump. Put that guy on the defensive side.

1144
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 1: Brian Thomas kind of got lost in the shuffle and

1145
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 1: also struggled with some drops.

1146
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 2: Well, I think once his role diminished, I think his

1147
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 2: confidence did too. Yeah, because he was not known as

1148
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 2: a dropper coming out of LSU. I mean, we're talking

1149
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 2: about a former first round pick here, So.

1150
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know I don't want to give up keyon

1151
01:05:58,440 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 1: Coleman and a one.

1152
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, to me, that's too steep a price young player,

1153
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 2: young player, Well, I'll give up a three for him

1154
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 2: straight up, but a player too, Like, what are we doing?

1155
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 2: I would even go as far as giving up Buffalo's

1156
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:16,919
Speaker 2: second round pick because they picked so late in the round.

1157
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 2: It's practically a three anyway, all right, you want our two,

1158
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 2: here you go, give me Brian Thomas, you know. And

1159
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 2: if they need a seven on top of the two

1160
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 2: to sweeten the pot, here you go. Here's a two

1161
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 2: and a seven. Give us Brian Thomas. Because the most

1162
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 2: attractive thing about Brian Thomas is this, He's a boundary

1163
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 2: X receiver and it's proven he's capable of doing that.

1164
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 2: That's number one. Number two, you have cost control for

1165
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 2: two more years on his rookie contract at a pittance

1166
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:48,480
Speaker 2: of a salary in comparison to some other high priced

1167
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 2: receivers out there, you know. And he's young, so you

1168
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 2: can grow, you know, he can grow with your system.

1169
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 2: That to me, he's an attractive commodity if Jacksonville is

1170
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 2: willing to part with him. And then the question obviously

1171
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 2: is what is the price tag? So there's a lot

1172
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:09,439
Speaker 2: to sword through there, but that's an intriguing possibility.

1173
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would. I would want some assurances from the

1174
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:16,640
Speaker 1: guy and from the team and from my scouts and

1175
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:21,439
Speaker 1: my guys who scouted this team both those years, what

1176
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 1: their what their theory is on why his production dropped

1177
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 1: off so far? I mean, I get a new regime,

1178
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 1: new head coach, the whole thing.

1179
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 2: I take to that new offensive system and move down

1180
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 2: the pecking order because of.

1181
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 1: It, right, And I I want to know it's, you know,

1182
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 1: what's he got going on in his personal life? Is

1183
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 1: this is this strictly a football decision or is it?

1184
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 1: Or is it you know, does he have a sick

1185
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 1: family member? Seriously?

1186
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 2: What's going on?

1187
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:51,600
Speaker 1: You got it? Because he did he like fell off

1188
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 1: the cliff. Yeah, and he was and he seemed like

1189
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 1: he wasn't the same player for weeks. I mean, he

1190
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 1: was good his first year, he was, he was really

1191
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 1: good player.

1192
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had almost thirteen hundred yards receiving his.

1193
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 1: Rookie year and then just disappeared. I want an explanation

1194
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 1: before I do this deal.

1195
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:15,400
Speaker 2: So rookie year eighty seven for twelve eighty two, ten touchdowns,

1196
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 2: his past year forty eight for seven oh seven and

1197
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:22,679
Speaker 2: two touchdowns. That's like his numbers got chopped in half.

1198
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:26,760
Speaker 1: I want to know why. I'm you know, so there

1199
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 1: you go.

1200
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:33,120
Speaker 2: Still, if he's available, that's an attractive commodity to improve,

1201
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:36,919
Speaker 2: you know, a position that has been starving for players

1202
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 2: that are available and productive on a consistent basis. I mean,

1203
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 2: that's really what Buffalo was after at the receiver position

1204
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 2: more than anything. Availability, consistent production, And maybe Thomas's second

1205
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:54,840
Speaker 2: year might scare some people off, but it's hard to

1206
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 2: ignore that first season when he was more of a

1207
01:08:57,080 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 2: focal point of the Jacksonville offense under a different regime.

1208
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:03,639
Speaker 2: Got to take a break here more of your tweets

1209
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 2: and comments. What is your first roster move for the

1210
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 2: Bills this offseason and why? You tell us on the

1211
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 2: tweetsheet at one Bill's Live. Next here on one Bill's Live.

1212
01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 2: All right, back here on One Bills Live and asking

1213
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:38,800
Speaker 2: you this afternoon, what is your first roster move for

1214
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 2: the Bills this offseason and why? See teams around the

1215
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:47,879
Speaker 2: league making some difficult decisions, some at least most recently,

1216
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 2: have been cap casualties. The Dolphins throwing four players overboard

1217
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 2: yesterday to save fifty eight million dollars on their cap,

1218
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:57,559
Speaker 2: and we're out of there. Is they still have some

1219
01:09:57,640 --> 01:10:00,600
Speaker 2: work to do, and obviously to his contract is albatross,

1220
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 2: but other teams are going to be in the same boat.

1221
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:04,200
Speaker 2: So we thought the timing would be good to have

1222
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 2: you put on your GM had and tell us what

1223
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 2: your first roster move for the Bills would be this

1224
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:12,960
Speaker 2: offseason and why Girls' rule, Dad says on the tweet sheet,

1225
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:16,720
Speaker 2: restructure as much as you can get a vet like

1226
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 2: AJ Brown or Mike Evans to help teach Keon and

1227
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:24,680
Speaker 2: stop the wide receiver talk. Then draft Caden McDonald to

1228
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 2: set up Leonard's d for the next five years. There

1229
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:33,639
Speaker 2: has been a lot of speculation that AJ Brown could

1230
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 2: be on the trade block. We know that Howie Roseman

1231
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 2: is not afraid to make a deal, and AJ Brown

1232
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 2: has been let's just say it's been volatile there the

1233
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 2: last two years.

1234
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 1: AJ Brown has done nothing to help his reputation in Philly.

1235
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 1: He has become more and more radioactive as the weeks

1236
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 1: have passed. That's for people who aren't even in Philly. Yeah,

1237
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 1: so I doubt that AJ Brown is as attractive to

1238
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:10,759
Speaker 1: the football world as he is to fans and fantasy

1239
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 1: football owners because they don't have to live with the guy.

1240
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 1: But he has not done anything to help his reputation

1241
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 1: around the league and the way he's handled himself in Philly,

1242
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:21,960
Speaker 1: it's been rough. The people inside Philly have not been

1243
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:31,599
Speaker 1: happy with him. So that being said, Mike Evans, yeah,

1244
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 1: I get it. Good luck with that.

1245
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:35,640
Speaker 2: Mike Evans is a free agent, so you wouldn't have

1246
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 2: to trade.

1247
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:39,240
Speaker 1: For He's also a lifelong Buck.

1248
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's probably gonna finish his career there, wouldn't.

1249
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:45,719
Speaker 1: You think even if he retires today, he's gonna finish

1250
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:47,599
Speaker 1: his career as a Buck. He will sign a one

1251
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:52,960
Speaker 1: day contract. So yeah, I Mike Evans, both those guys.

1252
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 1: AJ Brown, Yeah, great player. Uh, I don't know that

1253
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:01,680
Speaker 1: your team gets better. He's one of the one of

1254
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 1: those guys. He's one of the few guys. Your team

1255
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:05,960
Speaker 1: may not get any better if you sign a great player.

1256
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 1: That's that's hard to do. So I don't know the man,

1257
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 1: but he has I will be really interested to see

1258
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 1: how they handle him. He may get cut out, right.

1259
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:25,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had all the problems. I know that he

1260
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:31,280
Speaker 2: com missed there with their offense last season, and I

1261
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:33,559
Speaker 2: know that AJ Brown had his fair share of drops

1262
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 2: last season when he was targeted. First, he wasn't getting

1263
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:39,120
Speaker 2: targeted and that was a problem. Then he was getting

1264
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 2: targeted and dropping the football. That was another problem. And

1265
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:45,400
Speaker 2: we all know the problems that the offense had last

1266
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 2: year for Philadelphia. They struggled to score points Bill's fans

1267
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 2: saw it right here, right at thirteen agent.

1268
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 1: He's not getting released. He's got a twenty three million

1269
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 1: dollar cap hit. It's a seventy two million dollar dead

1270
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:56,760
Speaker 1: cap hit.

1271
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:00,519
Speaker 2: I think if they trade him it might be less,

1272
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 2: but we'll have to check on that.

1273
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's twenty nine cash total coming up, so

1274
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:10,719
Speaker 1: it'll be if they trade him, it'll be a different,

1275
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:17,600
Speaker 1: a little bit different. You're gonna be hard pressed to

1276
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:20,840
Speaker 1: find somebody ready to trade for that, right Uh.

1277
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:23,559
Speaker 2: Bill on the tweet sheets said, oh wait, first, before

1278
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:28,200
Speaker 2: we get to Bill, our previous tweeter said, also, draft

1279
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:30,639
Speaker 2: Kaden McDonald to set up Leonards d for the next

1280
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:34,639
Speaker 2: five years. Obviously, he really likes the Ohio State defensive

1281
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:40,240
Speaker 2: tackle Caden McDonald six three three twenty six really really

1282
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:47,160
Speaker 2: good run defender, kind of a stand and grind pass rusher,

1283
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 2: not very sudden from the incibo. When you're that size,

1284
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:53,759
Speaker 2: you know, if you're a I mean, there's a potential

1285
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 2: nose tackle candidate. And in Buffalo's three four system. You know.

1286
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna to pretend to know where he would

1287
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 2: go yet because I got some work to do on

1288
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:08,280
Speaker 2: this draft class. But I do know that if you

1289
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 2: need a solid run defender on the interior from this

1290
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 2: draft class, you could do a lot worse than him.

1291
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's going to be the key

1292
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:18,719
Speaker 2: to setting up your defense for the next five years,

1293
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 2: but maybe our tweeter is an Ohio State fan and

1294
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:25,720
Speaker 2: that's why he's so bullish on him. But obviously we'll

1295
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 2: know more about this draft class as we move into

1296
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:34,360
Speaker 2: March and closer to the draft in April. Now we

1297
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 2: go to Bill on the tweet sheet, who says, I'm

1298
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 2: not sure why there's so much talk about trading Dion

1299
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:41,640
Speaker 2: and cutting knocks. Both are part of the core of

1300
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 2: the team. Restructure them and work out a deal to

1301
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 2: keep McGovern and let Edwards walk. The three tight ends

1302
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:51,960
Speaker 2: they have make up a very solid unit, and I

1303
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 2: would agree they combined for twelve touchdowns last year and

1304
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:00,160
Speaker 2: a lot of production in the receiving game when they

1305
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:04,080
Speaker 2: weren't getting production from the wide receivers. I mean, you

1306
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 2: look at the backs and the tight ends in the

1307
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 2: passing game this past season. They did a lot to

1308
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:12,000
Speaker 2: pull on the rope harder because the receivers could not

1309
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:15,880
Speaker 2: due to lack of availability because of injury. And lack

1310
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:19,320
Speaker 2: of production. So the offense had to pivot and they

1311
01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 2: were up to the task. And I would agree wholeheartedly.

1312
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:26,160
Speaker 2: Dion and Dawson are huge parts of the core of

1313
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 2: this football team. Now we understand businesses business, and there

1314
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 2: comes a time where you got to say goodbye to

1315
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 2: some people, but those are two I would not be

1316
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 2: saying goodbye to this offseason.

1317
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 1: Coaches like stuff, they can anticipate and understand. You get

1318
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 1: two guys that always line up, they're always ready, and

1319
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:46,439
Speaker 1: you're always going to get excellent production from them. You

1320
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:50,519
Speaker 1: know exactly what you're getting. Coaches love certainty, and players

1321
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 1: like Knox and Dion Dawkins give you certainty. You know

1322
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:58,519
Speaker 1: what you're going to get from those guys. That in

1323
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:03,920
Speaker 1: and of itself makes them more value, both monetarily and schematically.

1324
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:08,519
Speaker 1: X's knows why. So they may move on from those guys,

1325
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:11,760
Speaker 1: but I don't see it. But if they do, in

1326
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 1: my opinion, you're doing so taking a chance. You're giving

1327
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:24,680
Speaker 1: up a constant and a reliable set of circumstances, and

1328
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:26,800
Speaker 1: you're rolling the dice on what you think is gonna

1329
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:28,840
Speaker 1: happen down the road. Because you're gonna have to line

1330
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 1: up some guys that you don't know about. That's basically it.

1331
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 2: Well, and I think you also have to take into

1332
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:38,639
Speaker 2: account that you have a guy who is a first

1333
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:43,000
Speaker 2: time head coach. He's looking for as much certainty as

1334
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:45,120
Speaker 2: he can find across the board. Here, he's got enough

1335
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:47,240
Speaker 2: stuff he's juggling right now. Does he want to be

1336
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 2: dealing with how were we going to fill left tackle? Or

1337
01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 2: do I have a leader in the tight end room?

1338
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. You know, most people wouldn't say, well, not, no,

1339
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:57,680
Speaker 1: Deon's a good player, let's keep him. And if they

1340
01:16:57,680 --> 01:16:59,680
Speaker 1: didn't know the economics of it, it's like, now you're

1341
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:01,480
Speaker 1: not getting rid of NOx. No, you're not getting.

1342
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:04,320
Speaker 2: Ridded, saving much if you move on from Deonna anyway.

1343
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 1: So the thing is that now, because of the economics,

1344
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:09,800
Speaker 1: it's like, well, you'd rather have the money or the

1345
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:14,720
Speaker 1: cap space than the player. I don't think the football

1346
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 1: side of the building believes that. Yeah, right, so they say,

1347
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:21,080
Speaker 1: the fix the numbers, we need the players.

1348
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:24,320
Speaker 2: As far as working out a deal for McGovern or Edwards,

1349
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:27,920
Speaker 2: we know the guard position and the cost involved has

1350
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:31,599
Speaker 2: soared the last three years. You got to pay upwards

1351
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:34,280
Speaker 2: at twenty million dollars a year for a guard now

1352
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:39,040
Speaker 2: like a good starting guard. David Edwards is that and

1353
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:40,720
Speaker 2: is probably going to break the bank if he gets

1354
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 2: to the free agent market. McGovern is probably going to

1355
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:46,599
Speaker 2: see a sizeable leap in pay as well. But centers

1356
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:49,439
Speaker 2: don't make quite as much as guard, so logic tells

1357
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:53,240
Speaker 2: you you have a greater chance of re signing McGovern

1358
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:56,880
Speaker 2: than you would Edwards. But we'll have to see. I

1359
01:17:57,439 --> 01:18:00,880
Speaker 2: don't see a I don't see a world in which

1360
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 2: they are both back in the fold and you're starting

1361
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:06,360
Speaker 2: five is identical to what it was last year. I

1362
01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:09,759
Speaker 2: just think it's the market and what it will bear

1363
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:14,000
Speaker 2: for David Edwards. His Asian's gonna want him to go

1364
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:14,599
Speaker 2: to the market.

1365
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 1: Sure, I'll I think center is an undervalued position, more

1366
01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 1: so than guard. I played with one of the all

1367
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:31,680
Speaker 1: time greats. He made a difference. Now here's the thing,

1368
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:35,880
Speaker 1: guard or center, which everyone. There are certain guys no

1369
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 1: matter what position they play, like Andrew Whitworth back in

1370
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:42,200
Speaker 1: the day, right Kent Hull back in my day. You

1371
01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:46,360
Speaker 1: can make Kyle Williams in Buffalo as a defensive tackle.

1372
01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:49,840
Speaker 1: Certain guys make a difference no matter what position they play.

1373
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:54,719
Speaker 1: If David Edwards or Connor McGovern is one of those guys,

1374
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:58,720
Speaker 1: you find a way to keep them. You find a

1375
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:00,599
Speaker 1: way to keep them. Those are the guys. Those are

1376
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:02,400
Speaker 1: the guys who get to the end of their career,

1377
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:04,320
Speaker 1: they retire and the club's trying to talk them into

1378
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:09,240
Speaker 1: playing another year. If if Connor McGovern or David Edwards

1379
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 1: is that kind of guy, you find a way to

1380
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 1: keep him absolutely now, and you can say what you

1381
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:20,639
Speaker 1: want about whether guard is better than center, or center

1382
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:22,639
Speaker 1: is better than guard, or you can afford this guy

1383
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:27,040
Speaker 1: or you can't afford that guy. If they're the guy

1384
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:28,840
Speaker 1: that you that they need to be, or one of

1385
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:32,519
Speaker 1: those transcendent guys that at that position where other guys

1386
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:36,639
Speaker 1: on the team need them to be there, you make

1387
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 1: a special effort. Now. If they're not, then it's a

1388
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 1: different conversation. But there is a there is a room

1389
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:48,839
Speaker 1: there and a space there for the kind of individuals

1390
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:54,920
Speaker 1: you're looking for to be retained no matter what. Now,

1391
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:56,680
Speaker 1: the club will never say we're gonna keep you no

1392
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:58,920
Speaker 1: matter what, but they're in private they're saying, we can't

1393
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:01,439
Speaker 1: let that guy out the door. So there may be

1394
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:04,560
Speaker 1: some of that going on here, and certainly some of

1395
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:08,840
Speaker 1: the guys on this team, they've been they're right there

1396
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:12,879
Speaker 1: every year, right, So there's some of that on this squad.

1397
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:16,520
Speaker 1: There's some of that personality of that, some of that leadership,

1398
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 1: some of that grint, some of that wisdom on this squad.

1399
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:25,120
Speaker 1: And if you're one of those guys that makes it

1400
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:27,720
Speaker 1: so you're there, there's no way anybody's letting you out

1401
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:32,439
Speaker 1: the door, whether it's Dawson Knox, Connor McGovern, David Edwards

1402
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:35,320
Speaker 1: or any of the others. So and that you know,

1403
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:38,599
Speaker 1: Reggie Gilliam, I mean, they just don't let you leave.

1404
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:43,240
Speaker 1: So that's something to consider in all of this. We

1405
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:46,240
Speaker 1: may not know the full extent of how special these

1406
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:48,560
Speaker 1: guys are in the culture and in the in the

1407
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 1: leadership of the room, but there is that possibility.

1408
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:57,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, McGovern and Edwards both twenty eight years of age.

1409
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:01,040
Speaker 2: I mean, conceivably you could still give them a four

1410
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:04,799
Speaker 2: year deal, you know, get to age thirty two season.

1411
01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:08,920
Speaker 2: Is that long enough to spread the money out in

1412
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:11,880
Speaker 2: such a way where you can make something work again.

1413
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:16,680
Speaker 2: I think for one of them, yes, for both, I

1414
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:20,599
Speaker 2: mean there's a good chance McGovern average is about fourteen

1415
01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:23,960
Speaker 2: fifteen a year, and Edwards is going to be right

1416
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:28,600
Speaker 2: around twenty. Right, that's a fat commitment. Uh, And the

1417
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:31,040
Speaker 2: thought of doing that for two of them, I just

1418
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:33,760
Speaker 2: don't know that it's in the cards, especially knowing you're

1419
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:37,720
Speaker 2: paying your two tackles on you know, deals, and and

1420
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:41,240
Speaker 2: let's not forget that you're probably gonna have to start

1421
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 2: working on an extension for Osiris Torrance in about a

1422
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:45,519
Speaker 2: year's time.

1423
01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:49,719
Speaker 1: So the caps just over three hundred million this year,

1424
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:53,000
Speaker 1: you can count on it going up like eight percent

1425
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:57,960
Speaker 1: a year. So that's you're looking at three what three

1426
01:21:58,120 --> 01:22:00,720
Speaker 1: twenty four three between twe P twenty five and three

1427
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:05,559
Speaker 1: thirty next year you're looking at and so on and

1428
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 1: so forth down the line. It's a lot of money,

1429
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:16,439
Speaker 1: but you can always devalue these contracts at the end

1430
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:21,000
Speaker 1: of them as well. Creativity is what these gms are

1431
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:24,360
Speaker 1: known for. So if they say we're gonna give you

1432
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:27,519
Speaker 1: a four year deal, we can't give you eighty million

1433
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:29,720
Speaker 1: of it with sixty million guaranteed. But how about if

1434
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:31,960
Speaker 1: we give you forty a four year deal with sixty

1435
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:35,479
Speaker 1: million twenty million less, Yeah, and guarantee all of it.

1436
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 1: There's that possibility we'll give you the same guarantee of

1437
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:42,360
Speaker 1: sixty million that we would on a four year deal

1438
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:45,439
Speaker 1: or a three year Yeah, four year deal, but we'll

1439
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 1: give it to you on four years and we'll and

1440
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:50,479
Speaker 1: we'll guarantee all of it at a lower number. All

1441
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:56,720
Speaker 1: that's possible. So we'll see. But that's that's up to

1442
01:22:56,760 --> 01:22:59,280
Speaker 1: them to figure out. It comes down to a lot

1443
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:01,760
Speaker 1: of meetings that we're not privy to, right, What do

1444
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:03,800
Speaker 1: they really think about Connor McGovern, What do they really

1445
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:06,679
Speaker 1: think about David Edwards? Who really is the difference maker

1446
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:11,720
Speaker 1: if either of them? But I'm with you, Brownie, you're

1447
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 1: not trading away. You're left tackle Deon dock is just

1448
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:16,639
Speaker 1: because of economics.

1449
01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 2: And it's not even an economic windfall that you'd be

1450
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:23,160
Speaker 2: right getting back for your team. So to me, it's foolhardy.

1451
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:27,760
Speaker 1: I still think this is a year where you need

1452
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:30,240
Speaker 1: to run it back as close as you can offensively.

1453
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:34,519
Speaker 2: YEA. Lauren on the tweets sheet says, prepare to best

1454
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:37,839
Speaker 2: protect and utilize your star quarterback. Involve cooking the passing

1455
01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:41,160
Speaker 2: game a lot more, draft a lot of old line depth,

1456
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:43,759
Speaker 2: try to bring in a Tom Brady type to teach

1457
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 2: Allen to take the easy plays when defenses give it

1458
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:50,120
Speaker 2: to you. That might be Pete Carmichael's role to some

1459
01:23:50,240 --> 01:23:53,320
Speaker 2: degree this year. As far as o line depth, the

1460
01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:57,360
Speaker 2: Bills have tried to acquire line depth and develop them

1461
01:23:57,400 --> 01:24:01,040
Speaker 2: behind the scenes. We're talking about players like Alec Anderson,

1462
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:05,280
Speaker 2: Ryan Vandermark, Tyland Grabil, Travis Clayton, who was a seventh

1463
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:07,960
Speaker 2: round international pathway player a couple of years ago, is

1464
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:11,599
Speaker 2: still here and still developing. I mean he is an

1465
01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:16,479
Speaker 2: athlete six seven three h five, Cedric van Praan Grainger

1466
01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:20,439
Speaker 2: fifth round pick, backup center type, and Chase Lunt last year,

1467
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:24,760
Speaker 2: who's another tackle at a yukont So they've been drafting

1468
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:27,600
Speaker 2: depth on the offensive line. Can it all pan out?

1469
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:30,400
Speaker 2: That's that's where the rubber is going to meet the road,

1470
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:32,880
Speaker 2: because one of those guys may have to step into

1471
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:36,320
Speaker 2: one of the starting positions, whether it's left behind by

1472
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:39,240
Speaker 2: Connor McGovern who escapes in free agency, or whether it's

1473
01:24:39,320 --> 01:24:41,839
Speaker 2: left behind David Edwards who could escape in free agency.

1474
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:45,240
Speaker 1: And I know some people thinking just one step further

1475
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:46,519
Speaker 1: than this, it's like, now they're going to do it

1476
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:47,559
Speaker 1: without Aaron Kromer.

1477
01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:51,840
Speaker 2: Yes, but you have Pat Meyer and Austin Gunn, who

1478
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:54,800
Speaker 2: are two Aaron Kromer disciples. So the teaching and the

1479
01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:56,040
Speaker 2: techniques will be the same.

1480
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 1: They've got some they've got some experience as well doing

1481
01:25:00,240 --> 01:25:06,000
Speaker 1: so yeah, we don't know what they know. Travis Clayton

1482
01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 1: is an interesting cat along with Tyland Grable, Vandermark, Alecaners.

1483
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:12,800
Speaker 1: They've got some guys in the building that they've got

1484
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:15,320
Speaker 1: high hopes for, and that's outside the five guys that

1485
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:15,960
Speaker 1: they depend on.

1486
01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, so again we shall see. I think it's gonna

1487
01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:26,559
Speaker 2: be an eventful season.

1488
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:29,800
Speaker 1: I agree, I totally agree. It's really intriguing how this

1489
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:31,880
Speaker 1: is gonna work out because of all the upheaval on

1490
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:34,800
Speaker 1: the defense, well we call it upheaval, the change in

1491
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:40,320
Speaker 1: philosophy on the defense, the defensive side, and then on offense.

1492
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 1: What they're gonna do to bolster an offense that's been

1493
01:25:45,160 --> 01:25:49,160
Speaker 1: elite for five or six years, and it really has been.

1494
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 1: I mean, you say it all the time, and you're right.

1495
01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:53,800
Speaker 1: The thing that Josh is going to be remembered for

1496
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:56,760
Speaker 1: is the guy gets in the end zone. They get

1497
01:25:56,760 --> 01:26:00,560
Speaker 1: in the end zone. It it hearkens to and I

1498
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:02,880
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't make any comparisons that are unfair

1499
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:08,920
Speaker 1: or unflattering. Even back in back in the eighties when

1500
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:11,840
Speaker 1: John Elway got drafted as the first player overall and

1501
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:17,599
Speaker 1: again immediately was traded to Denver. He went to Dan

1502
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:20,200
Speaker 1: Reeves and they got to three Super Bowls. They were

1503
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:23,640
Speaker 1: an outstanding team, outstanding organization, but they couldn't win it.

1504
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:30,679
Speaker 1: And John Elway got a reputation for being a guy

1505
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:33,840
Speaker 1: that could put on the cape and win a game

1506
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:37,880
Speaker 1: when it was lost. He had this league record twenty

1507
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:40,320
Speaker 1: five fourth quarter comebacks. He was like four or five

1508
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:43,479
Speaker 1: years there, six years into his career, and you know

1509
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:46,360
Speaker 1: he could just do it. And finally he goes to

1510
01:26:46,360 --> 01:26:48,479
Speaker 1: the front office says, listen, the reason I'm doing this

1511
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:53,439
Speaker 1: is because this head coach is killing us. What are

1512
01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:55,720
Speaker 1: you talking about. He's killing us. He's got a three three

1513
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:58,960
Speaker 1: Super Bowls. What are you talking about? Listen, We don't

1514
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:00,519
Speaker 1: have to come back in the fourth quarter if you

1515
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:04,040
Speaker 1: let me play. So Dan Reeves hits the bricks. They

1516
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:06,600
Speaker 1: bring in a guy like Mike Shanahan. They go to

1517
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:09,320
Speaker 1: two more Super Bowls. John Elwa he's in his fifteenth

1518
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 1: and sixteenth years in the league, and wins two Super

1519
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:20,520
Speaker 1: bowls and walks out on top. That's kind of the atmosphere.

1520
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:23,760
Speaker 1: I feel like that, you know, you look at this

1521
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:28,080
Speaker 1: Bills team. Josh is this guy who scores, man. I mean,

1522
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:32,200
Speaker 1: the guy gets in the end zone somehow better than

1523
01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:37,080
Speaker 1: any football, better than anybody, and and it just feels

1524
01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:39,240
Speaker 1: like they've never been able to lean into it because

1525
01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:41,640
Speaker 1: they never had the other side of the ball that

1526
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:45,800
Speaker 1: could do its thing, or they were trying to manage

1527
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:49,120
Speaker 1: the analytics and the game in such a way as

1528
01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:51,320
Speaker 1: to give him the best chance to win. And statistically, man,

1529
01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:54,639
Speaker 1: they won a ton of them. They did, as much

1530
01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:57,479
Speaker 1: as anybody. But you get to that point where it's like, man,

1531
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:00,479
Speaker 1: oh man, we just need that something turn this guy

1532
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:03,000
Speaker 1: loose in the first three quarters and then forced that

1533
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:04,760
Speaker 1: team that forced that team to be the one to

1534
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:05,479
Speaker 1: come back in the fourth.

1535
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:08,280
Speaker 2: Break time for us here. Final thoughts on the tweet

1536
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:24,920
Speaker 2: cheet next year on one Bill's Live. Final thought on

1537
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:28,000
Speaker 2: the tweet Sheeet comes from Mike, who he says his

1538
01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:30,479
Speaker 2: first roster move would be to trade for one of

1539
01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:35,400
Speaker 2: the following wide receivers DJ Moore, Marvin Harrison Junior, Brian

1540
01:28:35,479 --> 01:28:39,240
Speaker 2: Thomas Junior, or Jalen Waddell. We talked about Brian Thomas,

1541
01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:42,440
Speaker 2: who could be moved and would be an affordable acquisition.

1542
01:28:43,320 --> 01:28:46,400
Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison Junior also on his rookie contract. I cannot

1543
01:28:46,439 --> 01:28:49,880
Speaker 2: see the team the Cardinals, parting ways with him.

1544
01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:52,320
Speaker 1: The price would be astronomical.

1545
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:54,720
Speaker 2: Especially knowing they're probably gonna make a change at quarterback

1546
01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:58,320
Speaker 2: because Kyler Murray is not expected back. Although stranger things

1547
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:03,639
Speaker 2: have happened. Dj More is a bad contract for the Bears.

1548
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:06,000
Speaker 2: He's got like a twenty eight million dollar cap hit,

1549
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:08,679
Speaker 2: and it's even more. If they cut him, their dead

1550
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:10,519
Speaker 2: cap would be thirty five. I don't know how they

1551
01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:13,360
Speaker 2: move him this year. And then, Jalen Watall, I can't

1552
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:15,599
Speaker 2: see Miami trading him in the division.

1553
01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:19,599
Speaker 1: Bill's already unless they double down on tanking, and then

1554
01:29:19,640 --> 01:29:21,519
Speaker 1: they might do it. Ye say, listen, they'll give us

1555
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:22,920
Speaker 1: some help in the division. He won't be there for

1556
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:23,400
Speaker 1: that long.

1557
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 2: I still think it's a long shot. Is that's it

1558
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:28,559
Speaker 2: for us today? I'm in here with Chris Trapasso tomorrow

1559
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:30,320
Speaker 2: as Steve takes a couple of days off. We'll see

1560
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:39,200
Speaker 2: you tomorrow at one