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Speaker 1: Happy Thursday. We have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 1: What do we have, Crystal? Indeed, we do lots of

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Speaker 1: great stuff to get to before we jump into that though, soccer.

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Speaker 1: Did you want to give people an update on your

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Speaker 1: present condition. I've got fantastic news. Everybody tested negative. I'm

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Speaker 1: almost one hundred percent back to normal, just a little

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Speaker 1: tested negative. I'll continue probably to wear a mask for

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Speaker 1: I'm really really glad to be on the other side.

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Speaker 1: That is great. It'll be nice to be back in

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Speaker 1: for sure. So great, great news, there, my fellow. There

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Speaker 1: we go all right in the show today, we have

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Speaker 1: updates on what's going on in Afghanistan, the very latest

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Speaker 1: numbers in terms of Americans who remain and the expectations

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Speaker 1: for the Biden administration. We have two just complete jackasses

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Speaker 1: members of Congress, one Democrat, one Republican bipartisan of course,

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Speaker 1: trying to complete an urgent mission. So we'll give you

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Speaker 1: all the details of that. We also have an update

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Speaker 1: for you on the final moments of Andrew Clomo's time

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Speaker 1: But anyway, moving on from that, there's also really big

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Speaker 1: news about the Reconciliation package, and of everything that we

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Speaker 1: so many important potential items policy items inim this reconciliation bill.

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Speaker 1: an idea of this. However, New York State itself had

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Speaker 1: not yet acknowledged the real death toll that these people

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Speaker 1: had suffered from. And this all comes down to the

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Speaker 1: fact that Couomo himself wanted to hide these nursing home

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Speaker 1: debts in order to protect his own ass and in

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Speaker 1: order to write his little book about Triumph and the

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Speaker 1: coronavirus pandemic, for which he was paid millions of dollars

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Speaker 1: in advance, for which he was made into a media hero.

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Speaker 1: And more so, I mean, unfortunately this will probably be

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Speaker 1: our very last Cuomo update and about his corruption. But

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Speaker 1: this is what he should have been impeached for Bristol.

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Speaker 1: This is what he actually should have been impeached for

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Speaker 1: not only the decision, but then for the nursing homes,

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Speaker 1: lying about it, covering it up coming, under lying to

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Speaker 1: the federal government itself. Everything the media has accused Ron

446
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 1: DeSantis and many of these other people doing, he actually did.

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Speaker 1: And yet at the end of the day, as we

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Speaker 1: said before, he was impeached over the me too stuff. Okay, like,

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Speaker 1: I'm not diminishing the experiences of any of those women,

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Speaker 1: but this is far worse of a crime against the

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Speaker 1: people of the state of New York. And he's mostly

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Speaker 1: gotten away with it well. And just so people understand here,

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Speaker 1: I mean, all the way up to his farewell address,

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Speaker 1: he was giving out the wrong numbers. Okay, this guy

455
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Speaker 1: cooked the books, lied about the nursing home debts, lied

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Speaker 1: about the overall death toll in the state of New York.

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Speaker 1: And yes, great that he's gone, but that got so

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Speaker 1: little attention ever from the media, which is insane. And

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Speaker 1: the bottom line is, as long as Trump was there

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Speaker 1: and Cuomo could say, oh, these questions and these attacks,

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Speaker 1: this is all just partisan. This is all just political

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Speaker 1: posturing from the battle Republicans and Battle Dominald Trump. The

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Speaker 1: media was happy to accept that line. I mean, they

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Speaker 1: just bought it. And it wasn't until two things happened.

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Speaker 1: Number one, Trump was gone and number two, all of

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Speaker 1: the me too stuff broke that they had any interest

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Speaker 1: in holding Andrew Chromo to account for anything. And keep

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Speaker 1: in mind that to the very end, remember Biden got

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Speaker 1: asked that question of like, well, do you think he

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Speaker 1: was a good governor? He was like, yeah, he's a

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Speaker 1: good governor. What what I mean? On every level, this

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Speaker 1: guy was a corrupt failure. The only thing he did

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Speaker 1: well was projecting like big daddy government energy when he

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Speaker 1: was in front of a camera for which he was

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Speaker 1: awarded an Emmy, which, by the way, little update on

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Speaker 1: that the Emmy Committee has now stripped him of his

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Speaker 1: Emmy award. It is so embarrassing that they ever granted him.

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Speaker 1: That Cynthia Nixon had a good line. She was like, listen,

479
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Speaker 1: neither of us is governor of New York. But at

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Speaker 1: least I still have my Emmys. So I do also

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Speaker 1: want to say, look, this guy was challenged by Cynthia

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Speaker 1: Nixon and also Zephyr teach Out, and they were treated

483
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Speaker 1: like they were ridiculous people, and they were distractions right

484
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Speaker 1: up until very very recently. I think it was Bacari

485
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Speaker 1: Sellers to tweet it out like, oh, thank goodness, we

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Speaker 1: could have had Cynthia Nixon and that would have been terrible.

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Speaker 1: It's like, would it have been though, actually, because look

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Speaker 1: at what this guy is actually doing outside of just

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Speaker 1: his ability to like get a pressor that makes you

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Speaker 1: feel good, So goodbye, good riddens, and the lies were

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Speaker 1: being told up into the very very end. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that everybody got that update because

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Speaker 1: both the death figure is horrific, it's one of the

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Speaker 1: worst in the entire country, but worse, the cover up

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Speaker 1: on this and the media treatment of the story just

496
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Speaker 1: absolutely abysmal, and the fact that he even never got

497
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Speaker 1: taken down by what he really should have been. I

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Speaker 1: still think it will remain a crime and always, you know,

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Speaker 1: Assemblyman Ron Came reminds us it's not about us, It's

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Speaker 1: not about the media. It's about the twelve thousand families

501
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Speaker 1: who lost people in a nursing home, who were robbed

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Speaker 1: us some extra time with some loved ones who you know,

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Speaker 1: robbed of the ability to have them at their wedding

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Speaker 1: or robbed the ability to have them at one last

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Speaker 1: Christmas because of the decisions of this man. And so

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Speaker 1: that's really who, you know, we always have to think

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Speaker 1: of whenever it comes to this story. That is exactly right.

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Speaker 1: Another really important story that we wanted to update you on,

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Speaker 1: which is where where the Democrats are with this big

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Speaker 1: reconciliation package. Last we left you, there was an impasse

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Speaker 1: between these first nine that it became ten. Like there's

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Speaker 1: the far right and the far left. These are like

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Speaker 1: the far corporatists. They're like the post extreme pro corporate

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Speaker 1: wing of the Democratic Party. They are trying effectively to

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Speaker 1: only pass the bipartisan infrastructure deal and to pull poor

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Speaker 1: cold water on the reconciliation package. That's ultimately their goal,

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Speaker 1: regardless of what else they say, that's not really what

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Speaker 1: they're aiming at here. And there was this kind of

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Speaker 1: impass between Pelosi and those ten corporatists who wanted to

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Speaker 1: immediately schedule an infrastructure vote so that they could get

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Speaker 1: that through and get that done and that would allow

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Speaker 1: them to do whatever they want, ultimately probably tank the

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Speaker 1: reconciliation bill. So there was a question of how hard

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Speaker 1: of a line Pelosi was going to draw, how hard

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Speaker 1: align these nine ultimately ten, we're going to draw. So

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Speaker 1: they came to a kind of a deal the idea here,

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Speaker 1: and it's a little bit complicated, but they effectively agreed

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Speaker 1: that the infrastructure package would come up for a vote

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Speaker 1: on September twenty seventh. Actually, let me rephrase that would

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Speaker 1: be considered by September twenty seventh, is the specific deal

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Speaker 1: that was ultimately reached. So that gives Pelosi and Birdie

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Speaker 1: in all the Democrats working on these committees, gives them

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Speaker 1: about five weeks to try to work out all of

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Speaker 1: the details of the reconciliation package and bring that to

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Speaker 1: the floor so that they can still be tied together.

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Speaker 1: And just so you guys, remember, the reason why it's

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Speaker 1: important for these two things to be tied together is

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Speaker 1: because that makes sure that the Progressives have some leverage

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Speaker 1: over the Moderates. They're kind of holding their infrastructure package

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Speaker 1: hostage to coerce them to vote for the reconciliation bill

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Speaker 1: and some sort of reasonable form, and that also keeps

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Speaker 1: the Progressives in line to vote for an infrastructure package

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Speaker 1: that they don't really like, so it sort of keeps

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Speaker 1: the leverage, distributes the power between all factions of the party.

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Speaker 1: Ultimately the moderates wanted to reclaim They're not moderates really,

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Speaker 1: they're extremists in this context. They wanted to reclaim that

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Speaker 1: power for themselves just be able to get their infrastructure

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Speaker 1: package through. So this deal is struck. That says they

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Speaker 1: must consider the infrastructure bill by September twenty seventh. These

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Speaker 1: nine are running around acting like this is some big

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Speaker 1: win and they really got their way. What is the

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Speaker 1: reality here. Let's put Jake Sherman's reporting from punch Bowl

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Speaker 1: up on the screen. Ultimately, it seems like the September

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Speaker 1: twenty seventh deadline that they supposedly won is really ultimately

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Speaker 1: kind of meaningless. He says. Pelosi still holds all the

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Speaker 1: cards here for three big reasons. The rule only says

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Speaker 1: they have to consider the infrastructure bill by September twenty seven.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't say they have to vote on it then,

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Speaker 1: So you could push it off down the vote off

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Speaker 1: down the road. You could use stalling tactics, so that

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Speaker 1: gives you wiggle room to start with Number two. You

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Speaker 1: can pass another rule that says we're going to do

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Speaker 1: something different. So if you have a majority of the

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Speaker 1: caucus to pass another rule, then you can still do

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Speaker 1: something different, and finally, oh, she can actually just use

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Speaker 1: what he describes as a break the glass plan. Clause

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Speaker 1: one Seat of House Rule XIX allows Pelosi to unilatterly

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Speaker 1: reschedule the vote, so she can just decide like, yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: I said I'm going to do that, but no, we're

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Speaker 1: going to do something different. Now. Now I know she

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Speaker 1: wouldn't necessarily want to use that as a first option

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Speaker 1: because you've given someone your word, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: But that is still on the table. So what does

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Speaker 1: all of this mean. Ultimately, it means really Pelosi still

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Speaker 1: holds all the cards here. As Jake ultimately said, she

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Speaker 1: can decide when and how this vote comes up. She

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Speaker 1: can decide how much pressure she wants to put on

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Speaker 1: these corporatists. She can also decide how much pressure she

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Speaker 1: wants to put on the Progressives to get in line

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Speaker 1: on a reconciliation package that is certainly going to end

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Speaker 1: up less than the three and a half trillion dollars

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Speaker 1: that was originally proposed. So that's where we are. A

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Speaker 1: sort of deal has been struck, a timeline has been set,

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Speaker 1: but ultimately Pelosi is still in control of this process.

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Speaker 1: Whether that ends up being a good thing or a

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Speaker 1: bad thing remains very much to be seen. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: really interesting Christl watching all of this. And actually, like

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Speaker 1: you said at the beginning, I know this might sound

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Speaker 1: like a lot of inside baseball, but there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of stuff on this bill where whether you're four or against,

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Speaker 1: you should probably at least know what is going on

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Speaker 1: in here. And so it's interesting to me actually that

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Speaker 1: one of the most titanic pieces of legislation that would

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Speaker 1: pass in modern American history is not getting even close

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Speaker 1: to the headlines frankly that it really deserves. And so

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Speaker 1: did we already put Ryan Grimm's piece up there on

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Speaker 1: the screen, because I think that one is important as well,

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Speaker 1: the cracks emerging in Josh Gotttheimer's Unbreakable nine. Let's go

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Speaker 1: ahead and put that up there, right, And then of

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Speaker 1: course we have that tweet as well around how Omar

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Speaker 1: Representative Omar Bush and Talib have already said that they

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Speaker 1: won't be voting for the reconciliation bill or for the

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Speaker 1: infrastructure bill unless it comes out on the exact same time.

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Speaker 1: I think that these dynamics are all very important, and

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Speaker 1: so when we have and what we'll see in terms

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Speaker 1: of the vote is if they can get it done

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Speaker 1: by September twenty seventh, But as you said, they're not

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Speaker 1: necessarily hardwired to that date in the first place, and

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Speaker 1: I just find it really I mean, I just don't

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Speaker 1: see any way they could possibly get it done by

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Speaker 1: September twenty seventh. That's only a month from now three

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Speaker 1: point five trillion. They haven't even begun writing the entire

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Speaker 1: thing in the Senate. Well, that is true, but they

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Speaker 1: have actually a lot of these pieces have already been written.

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Speaker 1: So apparently the she was already planning on a timeline

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Speaker 1: of early October, so this really actually only changes it

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Speaker 1: by a few days, and a lot of these pieces

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Speaker 1: have already been written, so there is some indication that

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Speaker 1: it is possible and feasible. The challenge is if you do,

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Speaker 1: in fact have a hard dat set in stone that

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Speaker 1: does hand power to the corporatist who don't want the

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Speaker 1: Reconciliation Bill really at all. They're certainly happy to hack

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Speaker 1: it to pieces. So that gives you a hard deadline

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Speaker 1: where you can go to the progressives, and like we've

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Speaker 1: seen happen time and time again, you can say to

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Speaker 1: that look take it or leave it. The infrastructure bill's

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Speaker 1: coming up for a vote tomorrow. So if you don't

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Speaker 1: take this package, nothing is happening. And that's a tremendous

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Speaker 1: amount of leverage. That's a tremendous amount of pressure you

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Speaker 1: can put ultimately on the progressives here at the end.

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Speaker 1: So far they have been really cohesive. They've had one

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Speaker 1: unified line about look, this has to be done together

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Speaker 1: in tandem, and it has to be it has to

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Speaker 1: have climate provisions, it has to be, you know, a

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Speaker 1: sizeable package. That's the part though that gets really squishy,

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Speaker 1: is we don't know exactly where their red lines are,

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Speaker 1: what will they ultimately accept here, and that's where things

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Speaker 1: I think ultimately get really dicey. But you know, it

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Speaker 1: is interesting having someone who does use hardball tactics and

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Speaker 1: UH is competent in terms of understanding the process and

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Speaker 1: getting what she wants working at least somewhat on your

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Speaker 1: side to get this package through. And again, look we're

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Speaker 1: a long way from here to there. But you know,

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Speaker 1: we were talking last time about how reportedly these nine

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Speaker 1: are getting a lot of pressure in terms of listen,

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Speaker 1: be able to win reelection because of redistricting. Somebody's siblit

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Speaker 1: or relative at the White House was threatening being threatened

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Speaker 1: with being fired. Bill Clinton was making calls. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they it seems like they're going all in to bring

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Speaker 1: these people to heal. Ultimately, I think they achieved a

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Speaker 1: sort of like face saving gesture in terms of what

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Speaker 1: they actually won here. But again, the cards are all

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Speaker 1: being held by Nancy Pelosi. The ultimate deal is going

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Speaker 1: to take the shape of what she wants it to take.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't give me a whole lot of comfort here,

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Speaker 1: but we'll see ultimately what comes together. And I do

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Speaker 1: want to spend a little bit of time because it's

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Speaker 1: easy to get bogged down in the process just talking

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Speaker 1: about what is actually in this bill. Right we're talking

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Speaker 1: about if you care about climate, there's nothing in the

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Speaker 1: infrastructure package effectively that's going to deal significantly with climate.

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Speaker 1: All of it is in the infrastructure package they have.

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Speaker 1: They can't directly put a renewable energy standard in, but

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Speaker 1: they're trying to put incentives in that act effectively like

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Speaker 1: a renewable energy standard that would be significant. On education,

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Speaker 1: you've got universal pre K and you've got universal free

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Speaker 1: community college, both huge deals. Huge deals pre K in

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Speaker 1: particular to me, I mean, there is no better investment

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Speaker 1: we could make than in our young children. Those formative

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Speaker 1: years all of the research says absolutely critical for where

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Speaker 1: you're going to end up in life. So universal pre

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Speaker 1: K and also universal community college really important. Here. On healthcare,

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Speaker 1: you have a huge expansion of Medicaid. You also have

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Speaker 1: an expansion of Medicare that would include vision, dental, hearing.

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Speaker 1: Some indications may also include lowering the Medicare age, so

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Speaker 1: that is also really critical and really important. You've got

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Speaker 1: an extension of that child Tax Credit that provides a

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Speaker 1: benefit to so many families in this country and really

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Speaker 1: providing them with a cash infusion again investing in you know,

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Speaker 1: our children. So listen, there are real tangible benefits here.

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Speaker 1: In terms of everything that's in the news right now,

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Speaker 1: this is the package that is most likely to have

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Speaker 1: the most profound impact on your life. So the process

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Speaker 1: is important just in terms of whether it's going to

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Speaker 1: happen or not, but I don't want to lose sight

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Speaker 1: of the details of what it's going to mean for you,

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Speaker 1: your family, your community, and what's ultimately at stake. Here.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Everybody go and make sure they're familiarized. Is

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Speaker 1: this would be one of the biggest transformations of the

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Speaker 1: American welfare states since nineteen ninety four, and nobody's really

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Speaker 1: talking about that. And I actually do think there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of worthy discussion to be had. Wow, you guys

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Speaker 1: must really like listening to our voices. Well, I know

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Speaker 1: this is annoying. Instead of making you listen to a

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Speaker 1: Viagri commercial. When you're done, check out the other podcast

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Speaker 1: I do with Marshall Cossoff called The Realignment. We talk

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Speaker 1: a lot about the deeper issues that are changing, realigning

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Speaker 1: in American society. You always need more Crystal and Soger

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Speaker 1: in your daily lives. Take care, guys, Crystal, what are

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Speaker 1: you taking a look at now? All right, another important

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Speaker 1: and undercovered issue here, so you will recall we covered

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Speaker 1: extensively and it got a lot of national press attention

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Speaker 1: as well. Becoming end of the eviction moratorium a while back. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden at the last minute, after you know, sort

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Speaker 1: expiration viction moratorium and his hands were tied, et cetera,

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Speaker 1: he comes in after it has technically expired and creates

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Speaker 1: a new eviction moratorium. It's slightly more tailored, but it's

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Speaker 1: still going to cover most Americans, and the idea is, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we don't know if this is going to pass legal

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Speaker 1: mustard or not mustard or not, but we're going to

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Speaker 1: try and see what happens, and at least it buys

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Speaker 1: us some time to be able to get more rental

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Speaker 1: assistance out the door, because fifty six billion dollars in

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Speaker 1: rental cash assistance has been appropriated and a tiny sliver

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Speaker 1: of that has gone out. So we're going to do

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Speaker 1: this extension. We're going to see what happens in the courts,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to buy people some time so that

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Speaker 1: more of that money can get out the door and

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Speaker 1: we don't ultimately face a homelessness crisis. So two big

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Speaker 1: things have happened on this brought Number one. The eviction

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Speaker 1: moratorium is headed to the Supreme Court and the expectation

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Speaker 1: is that a decision could come at any time. Let's

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Speaker 1: throw that first hair sheet there up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: You have a coalition of landlords and real estate trade

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Speaker 1: groups in Alabama and Georgia who are challenging this moratorium.

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Speaker 1: Of course, they argue that the government overstepped their authority.

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Speaker 1: The Biden administration. The government is saying, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: of course we could do this. This is within the

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Speaker 1: rights of the CDC. The legal issue involved here is

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Speaker 1: the Public Health Service Act, and reading from the Washington Post,

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Speaker 1: it gives the agency authority to quote, make and enforce

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Speaker 1: such regulations necessary to prevent the introduction, transmission, or spread

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Speaker 1: of communicable diseases across states or from foreign lands. So

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Speaker 1: the government looks at that and says, listen, delta is surging. Clearly,

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Speaker 1: people losing their homes and being put either into a

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Speaker 1: group home setting or out into the streets that can

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Speaker 1: definitely spread this communicable disease. And we've covered research here

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Speaker 1: that shows that is in fact the case. So we

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Speaker 1: are well within our rights to go ahead and create

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Speaker 1: this eviction moratorium, which is different from the previous moratorium.

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Speaker 1: That's the government's argument. I think most legal scholars are

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Speaker 1: somewhat skeptical that the Supreme Court, given their previous ruling

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Speaker 1: on the prior eviction moratorium, that they're ultimately going to

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Speaker 1: side with the government. And again that ruling could come

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Speaker 1: at literally anytime. So as we await that, all right,

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Speaker 1: let's go look at the other piece. So the idea

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Speaker 1: here was, all right, we're going to buy some time

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Speaker 1: so that more of this cash rental relief can ultimately

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Speaker 1: get on the door. So how are we doing on

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Speaker 1: that front? Guys, Let's throw the other tear sheet up

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Speaker 1: on the screen. Oh turns out not well at all.

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Speaker 1: The headline here from the Washington Post says, as eviction

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Speaker 1: crisis loomed, rental relief barely picked up in July. So

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Speaker 1: last month, nearly one point seven billion dollars went out

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Speaker 1: from this rental relief fund, as compared to one and

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Speaker 1: a half billion in June. So there was barely an

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Speaker 1: uptick at all in the amount of cash relief that

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Speaker 1: went out the door. This is a kind fraction of

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Speaker 1: what has ultimately be appropriated to provide people with relief

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Speaker 1: and try to make them whole so they can stay

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Speaker 1: in their households. And Soger, I don't know what the

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Speaker 1: answer is here, because more time is very very likely

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Speaker 1: to one more thing, I promise. Just wanted to make

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Speaker 1: sure you knew about my podcast with Kyle Kolinski. It's

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Speaker 1: We're gonna stop bugging you now enjoy. All right, Sager,

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Speaker 1: what are you looking at? Well, we you may not

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Speaker 1: have missed this, but we have some very very interesting

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Speaker 1: news out of the intelligence community. Now, as usual, the

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Speaker 1: media and the intelligence community and their relationship around all

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Speaker 1: of this is very interesting. Here is how a new

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Speaker 1: lab league hypothesis report from the Intel community is being reported.

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Speaker 1: So let's put this up there. First of all, it

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Speaker 1: was linked to some very friendly reporters over at the

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Speaker 1: Washington Post. Now, the way that they publish this is,

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Speaker 1: as quote from Ellen Nakashima, the Intel community gives Biden

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Speaker 1: its long awaited report on COVID origin, but fails to

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Speaker 1: crack the case. Officials say no determination on whether the

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Speaker 1: virus resulted from a lab league or animal to human infection.

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Speaker 1: But here's the thing. If you look further within whether

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Speaker 1: the report was even ill conceived in the first place,

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Speaker 1: you would discover that the DNI, the head of the

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Speaker 1: Intel Community herself, Avril Haynes already said back in June

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Speaker 1: when the ninety day order was given to the Intel

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Speaker 1: community in order to produce a report around the Lablee

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Speaker 1: hypothesis quote, we're hoping to find a smoking gun, but

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Speaker 1: it's challenging to do that. It might happen, it might not. Furthermore,

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Speaker 1: within the report, they acknowledge that the Intel community itself

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Speaker 1: doesn't have the expertise that they needed to actually even

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Speaker 1: come to a conclusive report that they would have had

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Speaker 1: to onload dozens of pathology experts, lab expertise, and more,

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Speaker 1: not to mention the fact that we don't even have

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Speaker 1: the evidence, the direct evidence that we would need out

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Speaker 1: of the Wuhan Institute of Virology in the first place.

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Speaker 1: And yet this frankly bs report from the Intelligence community

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Speaker 1: is already being used by the media in order to

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Speaker 1: whitewash and say that the lab leak theory had no

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Speaker 1: basis in fact in the first place. So let's go

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Speaker 1: ahead and put this next thing up there on the

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Speaker 1: screen from Virginia Heffernan. Now Virginia, she's an LA Times columnist.

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Speaker 1: But more importantly, this tweet really made the rounds amongst

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Speaker 1: elite liberal media circles. Here's what she says, So those

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Speaker 1: who take an argument about Lib media bias on the

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Speaker 1: premise that reporters were too woken afraid to cover the

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Speaker 1: lab leaku hypothesis, number one, they did cover it. Number two,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't that compelling. She then goes through and cites

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Speaker 1: a number of places in which the media did cover

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Speaker 1: up the lab league theory, specifically for ideological reasons, and

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Speaker 1: comes finally to the inconclusive report out of the Intelligence community. Now,

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Speaker 1: first of all, that report from the Intel community remains classified.

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Speaker 1: The White House and others say that parts of it

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Speaker 1: will be released. Okay, I'm not going to hold my breath,

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Speaker 1: but in reality, given the open source information that we

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Speaker 1: already have around the lab leakue theory and more, it

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Speaker 1: is clear, beyond the shadow of a doubt, with the

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Speaker 1: circumstantial evidence, that there is more evidence to point towards

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Speaker 1: the lab leak than there is towards natural origin. And

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Speaker 1: yet the media, combined with doctor Anthony Fauci and Francis Collins,

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Speaker 1: the head of the nih AS recently, as of just

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Speaker 1: two days ago, are still saying that quote, the vast

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Speaker 1: majority of the evidence that's from doctor Francis Collins points

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Speaker 1: towards a natural origin of the virus. All of this

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Speaker 1: is to be said is that the Biden administration from

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Speaker 1: the get go has been passing the buck on this.

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Speaker 1: They have said that first the WHO should do an investigation,

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Speaker 1: even though we already know that the WHO is compromised,

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Speaker 1: that the main investitor get the investigator that they used,

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Speaker 1: doctor Peter Dazak already had ties to the lab. Then

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Speaker 1: they kicked it to the intel community saying, hey, you guys,

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Speaker 1: figure it out, even though they literally don't have the

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Speaker 1: resources in order to do so. The only people who

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Speaker 1: are ever going to know for sure are the people

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Speaker 1: inside the Wuhan Institute of Virology. And if we had

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Speaker 1: gotten our act together quicker, perhaps we could have done so.

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Speaker 1: But right now, the circumstantial evidence around what we have

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Speaker 1: seen in terms of the known number of Wuhan Institute

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Speaker 1: of Virology lab staffers who were sick back in November

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Speaker 1: of twenty nineteen, given the fact that the World Military

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Speaker 1: Game seem to have been a nexus point for coronavirus

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Speaker 1: in the city of Wuhan, given the lies that the

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Speaker 1: Chinese government has pushed consistently on the natural origin theory,

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Speaker 1: and then finally, really what we know about gain of

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Speaker 1: function research itself. It seems clear the direction in which

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Speaker 1: it points. So what I really am seeing here is

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Speaker 1: a media and conserative campaign by the Biden administration and

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Speaker 1: by our mass media to try and cover up what

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Speaker 1: is clearly happening here. And that's the problem we have, Crystal,

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Speaker 1: which is that they're trying to see the inconclusiveness of

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Speaker 1: the report. Joining us now we have the founder of

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Speaker 1: the Daily Poster, the one and only David Surda. Great

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Speaker 1: to see you, sir. Good to see David. Great to

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Speaker 1: see you. Thanks for having me. So you've been doing

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Speaker 1: some great reporting on the undrinkable nine. They're calling themselves

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Speaker 1: some reports where they're really now ten. They're also extreme

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Speaker 1: corporatiss and you've been doing the reporting on exactly what

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Speaker 1: their motivations are in terms of blowing up the reconciliation deal,

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Speaker 1: because that is their ultimate goal. Here, just tell us

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Speaker 1: what you've learned. So a while back, an Exxon lobbyist

864
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Speaker 1: was caught on tape basically saying that the company had

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Speaker 1: successfully stripped out climate provisions from the infrastructure build and

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Speaker 1: essentially what that telegraph is that, for instance, the oil

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Speaker 1: and gas industry really wants the bipartisan Infrastructure Bill, and

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Speaker 1: they don't necessarily want to put it mildly. They don't

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Speaker 1: want the Reconciliation Bill with all the climate stuff in it.

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Speaker 1: There's a similar dynamic with the pharmaceutical industry. The Reconciliation build.

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Speaker 1: There's a very good chance that it's going to have

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Speaker 1: some provisions in it to finally allow Medicare to negotiate

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Speaker 1: with drug companies negotiate for lower prescription drug prices, something

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Speaker 1: that the drug industry really doesn't want to happen and

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Speaker 1: has lobbied furiously against for years. So point being, there

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Speaker 1: is a lot of industry support for the infrastructure bill

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Speaker 1: and a lot of potential industry opposition to the Reconciliation Bill.

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Speaker 1: Not coincidentally, as you allude to the nine or ten

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Speaker 1: House Democrats who have said that they want the vote

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Speaker 1: on the infrastructure bill first, which would essentially create the

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Speaker 1: conditions to kill the Reconciliation bill. Not coincidentally, that group

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Speaker 1: has been bankrolled by the oil and gas industry and

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Speaker 1: the pharmaceutical industry. They have raked in more than three

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Speaker 1: million dollars of campaign cash from those two industries alone.

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Speaker 1: That's only nine members of Congress, So that's actually a

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Speaker 1: lot of money, and it includes a number of the

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Speaker 1: top recipients among House Democrats of campaign cash from those industries.

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Speaker 1: So the point is is that what's really at play

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Speaker 1: here is you nine House Democrats who were using their

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Speaker 1: power to essentially help Republicans and the corporate lobby potentially

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Speaker 1: get the infrastructure bill that corporate forces want and kill

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Speaker 1: the reconciliation bill that a lot of powerful corporations and

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Speaker 1: a lot of their powerful donors do not want. So, David,

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Speaker 1: can you just outline exactly what the so you have

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Speaker 1: the Chamber of Commerce, you have industry, they're putting all

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Speaker 1: this money behind them. What do they hate that's in

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Speaker 1: the reconciliation bill? Is it the tax increases? Like? What

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Speaker 1: is it? Exactly? Well, again, I think when it comes

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Speaker 1: to the pharmaceutical industry, I think they fear any of

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Speaker 1: the provisions that have been talked about about lowering prescription

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Speaker 1: drug prices. Obviously, the oil and gas industry does not

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Speaker 1: want all of the climate programs, which are designed to

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Speaker 1: transition the country's economy off of fossil fuels. There's also

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Speaker 1: as you as you mentioned, there is expected to be

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Speaker 1: proposals into the reconciliation bill for higher corporate taxes, higher

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Speaker 1: high income tax rates. So there's a whole lot of

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Speaker 1: things in the reconciliation bill that corporate America is probably

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Speaker 1: worried about. And for process wise, we should make clear

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Speaker 1: the Reconciliation Bill has not the details of it have

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Speaker 1: not been written. What Congress has to do in this

911
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Speaker 1: convoluted process is it has to pass a framework, reconciliation framework,

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Speaker 1: which says to each Senate and House committee, please write

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Speaker 1: the details of your specific topic area into the final

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Speaker 1: budget bill. So when we're talking about what's likely to

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Speaker 1: be in the bill, we're talking about proposals that have

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Speaker 1: been proposed by various Democrats. But the actual writing of

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Speaker 1: the bill has to start happening once the reconciliation framework

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Speaker 1: has been created. Got it. So I went through some

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Speaker 1: of the process stuff earlier. I think I probably confused

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Speaker 1: people more than I actually hoped hallucinated because it is

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a confusing process. But the bottom

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Speaker 1: line is the Nine have been touting that they won

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Speaker 1: this deal from Pelosi that says that their precious infrastructure

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Speaker 1: bill has to be considered by September twenty seventh. Pelosi

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Speaker 1: and some reporters are basically telling the press like this

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Speaker 1: was mostly a faith saving gesture that's kind of meaningless

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Speaker 1: and doesn't really change the fundamental dynamics here as I

928
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Speaker 1: see it, and I want to get your analysis effectively.

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Speaker 1: Pelosi continues to hold all the cards. So she decides

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Speaker 1: she wants to put a lot of pressure on these

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Speaker 1: nine or ten and bring them to heal with a

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Speaker 1: package that's relatively sizable and makes some you know, significant

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Speaker 1: investments in our future and in the American people, she'll

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Speaker 1: do that. And if she decides, on the other hand,

935
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Speaker 1: that she wants to jam progressives and say, look, sure

936
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Speaker 1: it got stripped down to be, you know, one and

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Speaker 1: a half trillion instead of the three and a half trillion,

938
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Speaker 1: but they're going to vote on their infrastructure bill, and

939
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Speaker 1: then you're going to have no leverage and you're going

940
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Speaker 1: to end up with nothing. So is that how you

941
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Speaker 1: read the situation and how are you feeling about Nancy

942
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Speaker 1: Pelosi still having so much power in this process. I

943
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Speaker 1: think you've described it exactly right. And to boil it

944
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Speaker 1: down even Further, I think the the action in this

945
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Speaker 1: is as much which bill gets voted first. And let's

946
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Speaker 1: just explain for a second. The whole reason that they

947
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Speaker 1: that the bills need to be coupled together is there

948
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Speaker 1: are various Senators and some House members in the Democratic

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Speaker 1: Caucus who say that they're not even sure that they

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Speaker 1: would vote for a reconciliation bill at all, but they're

951
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Speaker 1: supportive of the infrastructure bill. So the idea is, you

952
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Speaker 1: have to tie them together. What those conservative Democrats want,

953
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Speaker 1: you have to tie that together with what the rest

954
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Speaker 1: of the Democratic Caucus and especially progresses want, aka the

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Speaker 1: reconciliation bill. If you dlink them and you pass what

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Speaker 1: conservatives want first, then they don't have any political incentive

957
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Speaker 1: to support the reconciliation bill, which is so it's effectively

958
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Speaker 1: a way to try to kill the reconciliation bill. That's

959
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Speaker 1: why they need to be linked. Where the action is

960
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Speaker 1: going to be is both in the sequence. Right, will

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Speaker 1: Pelosi bring up a standalone infrastructure bill even if the

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Speaker 1: reconciliation bill is not ready to be voted on, let's

963
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Speaker 1: say they're still working on it. That potentially creates a

964
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Speaker 1: situation where the reconciliation bill gets killed. So timing and

965
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Speaker 1: sequence is one factor. But the other factor that you

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Speaker 1: allude to, which I think is so important, is when

967
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Speaker 1: the progressive say have said no climate, no deal, they're saying,

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Speaker 1: we want we're not going to vote for the infrastructure

969
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Speaker 1: bill until the reconciliation bill is linked to it. That's

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Speaker 1: what they're saying is that the term no climate has

971
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Speaker 1: not yet exactly been defined in an ironclad way. That

972
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Speaker 1: there's a three point five trillion dollar reconciliation bill at

973
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Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders just put together. But when Pelosi in her

974
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Speaker 1: statement said we have to respect the fifty one Senate

975
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Speaker 1: vote threshold that will need to pass. That to a

976
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Speaker 1: lot of people, that reads like code of Nancy Pelosi

977
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Speaker 1: saying Joe Manchin or Kristen Cinema may have a veto

978
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Speaker 1: power over what I will declare is reconciliation. In other words,

979
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Speaker 1: she can say, listen, I'm honoring the deal to bring

980
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Speaker 1: up the infrastructure bill with the reconciliation build. But it

981
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Speaker 1: creates the conditions where if Joe Manchin or Cinema say

982
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Speaker 1: they want the reconciliation bill reduced, that's where the real

983
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Speaker 1: action is going to be got it, David, you also

984
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Speaker 1: have some new reporting around Rom Emmanuel. Let's go ahead

985
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Speaker 1: and put that up there on the screen. Can you

986
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Speaker 1: just tell us a little bit about this little reward

987
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Speaker 1: that Rom is receiving now that he's got his new ambassadorship.

988
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's incredible, isn't it like that this guy

989
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Speaker 1: has just been given a nomination for an ambassadorship after

990
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Speaker 1: all that happened in Chicago, after all the things that

991
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Speaker 1: he's been involved in with the Lakwan MacDonald murder, the

992
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Speaker 1: video of the murder on tape that was suppressed. I mean,

993
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Speaker 1: that's all pretext to how is he suddenly still getting

994
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 1: a top appointment. And let's be clear, Ambassador to Japan

995
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,399
Speaker 1: is a big job. It's not you know, I think

996
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: people think about ambassador it's just a gift, doesn't matter.

997
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: I mean, the ambassadorship to Japan, that's a really important posting.

998
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,959
Speaker 1: Now what we know is that Rom has very little

999
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Speaker 1: qualifications for the job. Then the last time he was

1000
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Speaker 1: in Japan, he connected his big donors with Japanese government officials.

1001
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Speaker 1: That was back in twenty eighteen. But the other question

1002
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Speaker 1: is what is he actually being rewarded for? And we

1003
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Speaker 1: took a look at what happened in the twenty twenty

1004
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Speaker 1: Democratic primary and Rom. If folks remember, Rom intervened in

1005
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Speaker 1: a very public way in that Democratic primary to amplify

1006
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Speaker 1: really vicious criticism of Medicare for all when Medicare for

1007
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: All was kind of surging as an idea, Bernie Sanders

1008
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Speaker 1: campaign was surging, and he did a big favor to

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden, And part of this ambassadorship appointment is a

1010
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: reward for that favor. But Rob, That's not the only

1011
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: way Ram has been rewarded. SEC documents show that less

1012
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Speaker 1: than a year after Rom did that huge spectacle of

1013
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: publicly vilifying Medicare for All, he was given a board

1014
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Speaker 1: seat and about one hundred and eighty six thousand shares

1015
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Speaker 1: in a company that is in the private health insurance industry,

1016
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Speaker 1: a company that warns its investors explicitly that Medicare for

1017
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Speaker 1: All threatens its profits. So the point is is that

1018
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Speaker 1: since Rom intervened on the biggest healthcare issue of the

1019
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Speaker 1: day in the lead up to the pandemic, he has

1020
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Speaker 1: spent the pandemic getting himself a payout in the private

1021
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Speaker 1: health insurance industry that has been making a jackpot of proper.

1022
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Speaker 1: It's during the pandemic, and now he's subsequently being rewarded

1023
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Speaker 1: with an ambassador Amazing. I mean, David, this is why

1024
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 1: you're reporting is so important, truly, because that whole process

1025
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 1: that you describe. He goes on TV to bash Medicare

1026
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Speaker 1: for All in service of Joe Biden, while bother he's

1027
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 1: also you know, entwined with some healthcare interests, so he

1028
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 1: had a financial interest there as well, which was never

1029
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: just disclosed of course, and then he's rewarded in this way,

1030
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 1: not only with this prominent position, but also in terms

1031
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: of you know, financial incentives that he receives, Like this

1032
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: is how these bad ideas just continue to proliferate. This

1033
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: is how people get elevated in Washington. And Ram Emmanuel

1034
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: is one of the worst actors in Washington. He's one

1035
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 1: of the great villains certainly of the Obama era. So

1036
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Speaker 1: everybody makes sure if you're able go and subscribe to

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Speaker 1: a daily Poster because I think that's why you're reporting,

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1039
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Speaker 1: it's so because you really show how this all works

1040
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Speaker 1: and what the actual incentive structure is in this town

1041
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Speaker 1: and I just think I cannot highly recommend it enough.

1042
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Speaker 1: It's absolutely invaluable. David, thank you, Thank you, Dan, thank you,

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Speaker 1: Thanks to both to you, and thank you for your show.

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Speaker 1: here for a second. But it's hard to get the

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1047
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1048
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Speaker 1: thanks to both, to you. Absome pleasure. All right, thanks

1052
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Speaker 1: I should mention we're doing something a little bit different

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Speaker 1: this weekend. We always post some content for y'all on

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