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Speaker 1: Hey, there are folks. It is Thursday, November thirteenth, and

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Speaker 1: he's just a little while ago. Actually, a man was

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Speaker 1: his last meal and he was minutes away from going

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Speaker 1: life was being spared by the governor of Oklahoma. And

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Speaker 1: with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes.

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Speaker 1: We can't believe almost that this happened. These are so rare,

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Speaker 1: and this is a case for whatever reason, we got

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Speaker 1: very close to and interested in. Lo and behold today

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Speaker 1: a man's life was.

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Speaker 2: Spared, and within minutes it was as dramatic as it gets.

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Speaker 2: And yes, we spoke with Tremaine Wood's family just two

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Speaker 2: days ago. They could barely speak about his potential impending

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Speaker 2: death without sobbing. Under Standably, we were on the edge

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Speaker 2: of our seats waiting to see if the Governor of

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Speaker 2: Oklahoma was going to go ahead and grant the clemency

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Speaker 2: that a Pardon and Parole board had recommended the week before.

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Speaker 2: And tick talk, tick talk, we were all the way

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Speaker 2: up to ten at the East coast time, ten fifty seven,

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Speaker 2: ten fifty eight. He was scheduled to die by lethal

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Speaker 2: injection at eleven am Eastern time ten am local time,

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Speaker 2: and just before it hit eleven here we got word.

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Speaker 1: And we talked about this, Robes. I was saying to you,

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Speaker 1: I mean, these are so rare that it does happen

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Speaker 1: that the governor grant's clemency, And I said, you know

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Speaker 1: seen the movies, like they're somebody strapped to the chair

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Speaker 1: how it goes down, but it can't. It went down

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Speaker 1: like that to a great degree today. Now Tremaine Wood

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Speaker 1: was sitting waiting to be executed. They had moved in

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Speaker 1: one of your first questions, rogues, when it had gotten

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Speaker 1: good God, was he strapped to that gurney? Was he

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Speaker 1: dramatic and what that would have felt like, but still

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Speaker 1: what he went through today, can you imagine what that

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Speaker 2: It had to be pretty close to that, short of

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Speaker 2: being strapped to the gurney. He was in what they

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Speaker 2: a couple of days. Can you imagine eating the meal

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Speaker 2: that you requested as your final meal, your last meal,

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Speaker 2: knowing this most likely, I mean, you would have to

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Speaker 2: prepare yourself mentally. And when we spoke to his mother

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Speaker 2: If that's what was meant to be, all of the

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Speaker 2: mental olympics that must have been going on in his head.

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Speaker 2: And yes, I was imagining being his mother, I was

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Speaker 2: what this time we were spending our morning working and

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Speaker 2: just I was trying to think about what they must

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Speaker 2: were obviously hoping for, wishing for, praying for, but wanting

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Speaker 2: and you said it to me, The governor just granted clements.

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Speaker 1: I could. I don't know, it's a case maybe that

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Speaker 1: even being humane if you will, to someone who is

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Speaker 1: part of this criming which somebody died. But again the

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Speaker 1: argument that he wasn't necessarily the killer, all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: The governor and I said it to you when I

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Speaker 1: read the statement, I said, he struck the right. He

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Speaker 1: I know he's a governor. I don't mean it that way.

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Speaker 1: What I'm saying is it sounded just level headed and

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Speaker 2: It was amazing. And look, he was and is a

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Speaker 2: But certainly for our Republican governor to do so.

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Speaker 1: What is this sixteen? There have been sixteen executions under

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Speaker 2: So Tremaine included over his tenure of seven years as governor,

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Speaker 2: the Pardons and Parole Board has recommended that five death

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Speaker 2: of parole. Before Tremaine, he had only agreed or granted

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Speaker 2: out of the five times the Parole Board recommended clemency,

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Speaker 2: he has now granted it. Now, it's rare for a

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Speaker 2: Pardon's and Parole board to recommend clemency period. But obviously,

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Speaker 2: as we look at so many states when the death penalty,

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Speaker 2: I do appreciate, we appreciate when governors and leaders take

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Speaker 2: and it seems that this was the case with Governor

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Speaker 2: in this case. We have now this is our third

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Speaker 2: lot of reasons why the governor made the decision he made,

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Speaker 2: and certainly a lot of folks were absolutely fighting for

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Speaker 2: the life of Tremaine Wood.

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Speaker 1: Look and part of what the argument that the governor

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Speaker 1: may will share his full statement, but Tremaine Wood and

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Speaker 1: his brother were part of a botched robbery in which

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Speaker 1: a nineteen year old young man was killed. This was

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Speaker 1: on New Year's Day two thousand and two. His brother

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Speaker 1: was sentenced to life in prison without parole. Tremayne was

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Speaker 1: sentenced to death two separate trials. Now, the argument here

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Speaker 1: is twofold right for Tremain Wood. One of them is

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Speaker 1: everybody agrees he got inadequate counsel. His council put in

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Speaker 1: The other part of the story is that Tremaine would

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Speaker 1: Tremaine's brother has since died in prison by suicide, so

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Speaker 1: he's not speaking about it anymore. But he spoke before

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Speaker 1: So the argument there, I mean, why is that fair

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Speaker 2: And the governor agreed, And the big hang up was,

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Speaker 2: three to two to push for clemency versus the death penalty.

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Speaker 2: And you know, the governor said he was going to

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Speaker 2: death penalty cases. He spoke to the Attorney General, who

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Speaker 2: was adamant he wanted to see Tremaine Wood die by

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Speaker 2: lethal injection, and he stands by that. He says he

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Speaker 2: was disappointed in the governor's decision to grant clemency. He

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Speaker 2: and we know that publicly they have said that they

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Speaker 2: did not want Tremaine Wood to die by lethal injection.

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Speaker 2: They were against his execution, and so he spoke to

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Speaker 2: that family as well, and that had to have been

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Speaker 2: a powerful conversation. And then he spoke to Tremaine Wood's

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Speaker 1: Do you have the governor's statement in front of you.

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Speaker 1: I do, Governess did again. I've give him credit. This

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Speaker 1: came out and all those things, but it sounds like

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Speaker 2: Yes, So this is what the governor said just moments

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Speaker 2: to accept the Pardon and Parole Board's recommendation to commute

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Speaker 2: Tremaine Wood sentence to life without parole. This action reflects

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Speaker 2: the same punishment his brother received for their murder of

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Speaker 2: an innocent young man and ensures a severe punishment that

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Speaker 2: keeps a violent offender off the streets forever. In Oklahoma,

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Speaker 2: we continue to hold accountable those who commit violent crimes,

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Speaker 2: delivering justice, safeguarding our communities, and respecting the rule of law.

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Speaker 2: I pray for the family of Ronnie Wiffe and for

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Speaker 2: the surviving victim, Arnie. They are models of Christian forgiveness

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Speaker 1: Every governor listening, if the family of the victim says, Governor,

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Speaker 1: please don't kill this person, you gotta listen. I know

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Speaker 1: the people are the ones who say this person should die.

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Speaker 1: Just that is the one voice. And it sounded like

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Speaker 1: just think of it, that a human beings life was

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Speaker 1: And I think we felt that more than we expected

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Speaker 2: And no one is saying that Tremaine Wood should be freed,

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Speaker 2: that he should be let go, that he deserves freedom.

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Speaker 2: It's not that at all. He is going to be

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Speaker 2: behind bars for the remainder of his life. But the

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Speaker 2: whether or not his life can have meaning. And if

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Speaker 2: you listen to our podcast couple back, where we spoke

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Speaker 2: after hearing from them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, value, Yeah, there's value there. There's a lot going

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Speaker 1: you and I was wowed by it that the grandma

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Speaker 1: I thought that was a heroic of her.

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Speaker 2: I do too, And one of the many things that

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Speaker 2: I know that they know that what they told the

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Speaker 2: governor had to have had a huge impact on his decision,

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Speaker 2: and so they might sleep a little better tonight knowing

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Speaker 2: that another senseless death didn't occur from that night back

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Speaker 2: in two thousand and two.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing. I did not think about that they were

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Speaker 1: actively advocating for saving his life. Now that is some

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Speaker 1: different level of humanity there. I didn't think, Wow, I'm

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Speaker 1: glad you did that. At the end, I did not

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Speaker 1: think about that is a beautiful thing, because you know

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Speaker 1: that is what they had to have done. What a

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Speaker 1: story from a tragedy. Hain't it rogues, folks. We always

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Speaker 1: appreciate you spending some time with us. We're following this one.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you all real soon. For now, on

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Speaker 1: TJ Holmes on behalf of my Dear Amy Robot. Talk

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Speaker 1: to you. Alsoon