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Speaker 2: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up

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Speaker 2: Straight Fire? Fam h's me Jason McIntire. Straight Fire for Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: March nineteenth. Technically March Madness begins tonight. Everybody's all fired up.

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Speaker 2: I know you're you're geeked about Wagner versus Howard in

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Speaker 2: the first play in game tip time out here in

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Speaker 2: LA three pm. That'll be on True TV. Good luck

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Speaker 2: finding that. It's that time of the year where you

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Speaker 2: have to actually locate True TV. And then the nightcap

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Speaker 2: is Colorado State and Virginia. I'm on Colorado State in

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Speaker 2: that one. I'm sorry I have to fade Virginia. They

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Speaker 2: are unwatchable drek. So those two games tip off to

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Speaker 2: start the tournament. Obviously, you guys heard yesterday's podcast. We

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Speaker 2: will have another guest for more game ambling on the

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Speaker 2: NCAA tournament money Yanna and very excited about that. You

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Speaker 2: guys know, I am a nerd about the tournament. I've

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Speaker 2: been devouring as many kernels of information as I can.

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Speaker 2: I have entered only two bracket pools so far, but

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Speaker 2: trust me, there are more on the way. They're coming.

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Speaker 1: Trust me.

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Speaker 2: Trust as my young son likes to say, we're gonna

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Speaker 2: start today with the NFL because it's interesting. This is

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Speaker 2: why Robb GI's such a good producer. I'll come to

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Speaker 2: the table and be like, man, it's just not that

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Speaker 2: much stuff this morning. There's not a lot of stuff

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Speaker 2: to hit. And he's basically like, well, what's going on

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Speaker 2: me take a look. Okay, well the Jets got Tyron

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Speaker 2: Smith from them, they'll just slide. No, the Jets got

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Speaker 2: Tyrod Taylor. No, that's the quarterback. What am I saying?

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Speaker 2: Tyron Smith goes to the Jets. Tyler Smith is now

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Speaker 2: the left tackle for the Cowboys, so they're said at

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Speaker 2: left tackle. But what a lot of people didn't notice

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Speaker 2: the Cowboys starting at center? Oh? Okay, I'm not really

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Speaker 2: familiar with this undrafted free agent who has historically been

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Speaker 2: they've lost let's see, okay, two starting offensive lineman that

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Speaker 2: Tony Pollard's gone they got a question of running back.

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Speaker 2: It's it'll be the Rico, Dowdell, Deuce Vaughan showdown at

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Speaker 2: camp to see who wins at And they lost Gallup

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Speaker 2: been the same player. They still have cdlam Brandon Cooks. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they probably need to draft the receiver. And let's see

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Speaker 2: what else. Oh, yeah, that Leyton Vanderesh retired. Are we

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Speaker 2: keeping track of how many starters the Cowboys have lost?

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Speaker 2: But you start to look around and you're like, huh,

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Speaker 2: Washington is spending like drunken sailors. And I like what

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Speaker 2: they're doing. And as long as they get Drake May,

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Speaker 2: I really like their offseason. I won't like it as

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Speaker 2: much with Jay Daniels. I like him, but I just

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Speaker 2: I'm more in on May. Washington got better. The Giants

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Speaker 2: remain a massive dumpster fire. You've got the Drew Lock

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Speaker 2: Daniel Jones combination at QB. That's the Pooh pooh, and

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Speaker 2: then you've got the Eagles, who are kind of it

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Speaker 2: feels like maybe fading a little bit. They've lost a

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think the Eagles are as

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Speaker 2: of gotta wonder who's the best team in that division?

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Speaker 2: Are the Cowboys like the de facto choice when you

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Speaker 2: lose as many starters on offense so far four as

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Speaker 2: If they end up losing Gilmore, that's another one. And oh,

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Speaker 2: by the way, by the bye, Dak Prescott does not

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Speaker 2: have his new extension yet. And oh, also, let's remind

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Speaker 2: McCarthy and Dak. Now, we'll see if Dak gets the extension.

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Speaker 2: I'm not a huge fan of giving him fifty to

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Speaker 2: If you see US five or six. I believe as

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Speaker 2: like Dak. I know that Cam Newton crowd will be like, hey, Wall,

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Speaker 2: at the numbers. Even if you toss to the running numbers,

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Speaker 2: Dak still has the edge. And I'll just remind you.

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Speaker 2: For all the people who love quarterback wins, Rob Cam

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Speaker 2: never had back to back winning seasons. Dak has now

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Speaker 2: had three straight twelve win seasons. Now, the playoff wins

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Speaker 2: aren't there, but Dak's not totally to blame for that. Now,

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Speaker 2: he hasn't been amazing in the postseason, but when was

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Speaker 2: I don't want to. I don't want to be going

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Speaker 2: definitely feels like quietly they've had a disappointing postseason offseason.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely so far. And and you know, apologies to Cam Newton.

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Speaker 1: He just wants to you know, buff his hats and

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Speaker 1: Cam Newton. Yeah, this, this Cowboys offseason is really really

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Speaker 1: confounding because Jerry Jones said back in January very publicly

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Speaker 1: all in. According to spot track, Cowboys currently have one

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Speaker 1: But again, all of this comes down to Dak Prescott.

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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott in his career seventy three and forty one

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Speaker 1: two hundred and two touchdowns, second most in Cowboys franchise history,

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Speaker 1: if they really didn't think that way, I'd assume the

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Speaker 1: deal would already be done. Right, So spin all this

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Speaker 1: forward to say, when Jerry Jones said back in January

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Speaker 1: view it as, Hey, they're gonna push all the chips

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Speaker 1: is he saying this is like our last dance, dude, Like,

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Speaker 1: we're not gonna extend big money to Dak Prescott if

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Speaker 1: we're not positive about him. We're not gonna extend Mike

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Speaker 1: McCarthy if we're not positive about him. We're gonna play

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Speaker 1: it out as is. Yes, we're gonna go for it.

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Speaker 1: We're quote unquote all in for this season, and if

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Speaker 1: we start anew in twenty twenty five. We're gonna re

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Speaker 1: sign Micah Parsons. We're gonna re sign CD Lamb. Maybe

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Speaker 1: we have a new coach, like a Bill Belichick's maybe

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Speaker 1: there at that point, maybe Trey Lance is your new quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but it definitely has the feel that

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Speaker 1: we were sold a false bill of goods by Jerry

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's possible that they're just so capped out that

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Speaker 2: the Cowboys. And I don't know, Rob, if you saw this,

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Speaker 2: in moving hell. But on the fifteenth of March, so

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Speaker 2: you give it up a two for Diggs. I don't

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Speaker 2: know what, let's go all in. Let's bring Diggs to

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Speaker 2: I don't know it's possible. I mean, they couldn't stop

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Speaker 2: Do you think there's a chance Stephan Diggs in Dallas? Listen?

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Speaker 2: It just comes true. By the way, we definitely need

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Speaker 2: to put this out there.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and now they wouldn't be the craziest thing I've heard.

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Speaker 1: But again, if you're going to do that, and you're

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Speaker 1: the table, the prerequisite to all of that is extend

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Speaker 1: or restructure Dak Prescott because you are not going to

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Speaker 1: be able to do much of anything salary cap wise.

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Speaker 1: Even though the NFL sellar cap is a myth, I'm

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Speaker 1: They could save upwards of thirty million dollars against the

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Speaker 1: could make a move for Stefan Dicks. How they can

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Speaker 1: They ended up pivoting and go in another direction. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: Dallas could, But it ultimately comes down to do you

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Speaker 1: believe in Dak Prescott? Is he worth investing the kind

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Speaker 2: What do you mean believe in? Is a question? Can

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Speaker 2: I would have quickly moved to the NBA. We'll get

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Speaker 2: the college hoops in a second. But Rob, you know,

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Speaker 2: I just want to know. Because all the players love Kyrie.

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Speaker 2: But the players love Kyrie Irving. They say his skills

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Speaker 2: Anytime Kyrie does his you know, elite layup package. People

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Speaker 2: And yes it is skill, no doubt. But how do

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Speaker 2: talking about skill, he's talking about getting off shots, making

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Speaker 2: acrobatic crap, and what he does with the basketball. One

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Speaker 2: of the craziest Kyrie Irving videos that I've ever seen

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Speaker 2: Kyrie does some ridiculous magician shit to just go around everybody.

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Speaker 2: And it's videos like that that make everybody love Kyrie.

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Speaker 2: The Internet, you know, social media, keyboard warriors, they love

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Speaker 2: Kyrie more than Steph Curry. Okay, there's a video of

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Speaker 2: do you know the one I'm talking about where he's

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Speaker 1: Back, just pounding drops it and then he goes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and then he just does this awesome fadeaway

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Speaker 2: It's two points. But the skill is there, and I

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Speaker 2: get it. He is very skilled. But most skilled ever?

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Speaker 2: Is he more skilled than Kobe Bryant, who had basically,

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Speaker 2: And just watching that, it's like, Okay, Kevin Durant gets

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Speaker 2: nobody could touch a shot. Paul George in those drills

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Speaker 2: looks amazing. Paul George looks incredible, But like Kobe Bryant

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Speaker 2: for me, Kobe's definitely up there. And then like, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 2: Now you could say that that what he's doing is

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Speaker 2: telling you, I think Curry is one of the more.

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Speaker 2: I think he's right there in the Kyrie Irving discussion.

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Speaker 2: I think a guy like Duncan who didn't have a

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Speaker 2: Tim Duncan, sorry Tim Duncan and Elijah Won for me,

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Speaker 2: I just have a hard time. And I know you're

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Speaker 2: gonna say, Jay, you're just a hater. I have a

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Speaker 2: hard time putting Kyrie is the most skilled ever. I

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Speaker 2: to take sure Kyrie could be the most skilled ever,

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Speaker 2: but he's got so much other crap going on. He's

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Speaker 2: got so much other I don't know if distractions is

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Speaker 2: the right word, but he's so like I'm not just

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Speaker 2: an athlete, I'm this this. If Kyrie Irving had like

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Speaker 2: be the most skilled ever. You might probably be Lebron

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Speaker 2: I watched Jalen Brunson last night tear up the Warriors.

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Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson is insanely skilled for his size and lefty,

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Speaker 2: So I don't know, Rober. I guess, long, long, roundabout

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Speaker 2: way of me saying I don't know Kyrie Irving crazy

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Speaker 2: skills but most skilled? Ever? Is he more skilled than like,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Magic Johnson, Allen Iverson. There's a lot

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Speaker 2: smaller players, rob because I guess it's tougher as a

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Speaker 2: six to one guard in the NBA to have a massive,

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Speaker 2: and these athletic freaks. I don't know. My guess is

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Speaker 2: by the end of his career, one Bin Yama will

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Speaker 2: be the most skilled player in NBA history. You know,

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Speaker 2: hopefully he doesn't get injured, but the stuff he's doing

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Speaker 2: this year as a rookie, I mean no doubt in

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Speaker 2: my mind he'll be the most skilled player when all

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Speaker 1: Right, And I got the live tweets coming in as

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Speaker 1: you were going through that rant, and the consensus m

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Speaker 1: to be that Jay, You're just being a hater. Yeah, Now,

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Speaker 1: I mostly agree with you, because defining skill in the

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Speaker 1: NBA is very subjective, right, Because if it's just about

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Speaker 1: how deep your bag is, then sure, you know, Kyrie's

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought up Tim Duncan because Tim Duncan

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Speaker 1: has the most fundamental game you know of the modern era.

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Speaker 1: And to your point, it's bank shots, it's up and unders,

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Speaker 1: Like that, that's a skill. You know, you pointed out

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Speaker 1: like Kobe had that in spades. His crossover is not

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Speaker 1: Kyrie automatically is more skilled than Kobe.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: It's just really what kind of things that you value

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Speaker 1: to your point, because Kyrie's game is pretty, because it

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Speaker 1: And I understand that. But if are we basing it

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Speaker 1: defense is a skill. Like Steph Curry is never going

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Speaker 1: Like it's it's it's just really difficult to have this conversation.

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Speaker 1: It really comes down to you know what you prefer.

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Speaker 2: We'll quickly wrap up. Listen again, you guys know, I

436
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 2: have a daughter. I coach her in fifth grade basketball.

437
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 2: We're in the championship game this weekend. Undefeated. You know,

438
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 2: we did win the title last year. A couple losses

439
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 2: during the season, and you know, we have a good team.

440
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,160
Speaker 2: We try to let all the kids play with their

441
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 2: friends and it just so happens. My daughter has a

442
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 2: couple of really good friends who hoops, and we have

443
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 2: a taller team. So, like, the opposing coach texted me,

444
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 2: are you guys gonna have the twin towers this weekend?

445
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 2: And I'm like, listen. One of the kids is from

446
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 2: Ukraine and had never played basketball before. She was on

447
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,679
Speaker 2: our team last year. She can't really do much, but

448
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,439
Speaker 2: she scored some baskets because she's tall. And you know,

449
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 2: we have another girl who's out this weekend and whatever.

450
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 2: I'm into girls basketball. Like I shoot, I didn't even

451
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 2: tell my wife this, but I ran into at the

452
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Speaker 2: local high school the JV former JV coach of the

453
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Speaker 2: women's team. I play some pickup hoops with them, and

454
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 2: you know, we're talking about hoops and I'm like, yeah,

455
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 2: he's like, dude, you should coach the middle school girls

456
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 2: and team next year. I was like, what are you

457
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 2: talking about. He's like, come on, there's no foundation, Like

458
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,439
Speaker 2: the program's falling apart in the high school level. They

459
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 2: need someone in middle school to get these girls together.

460
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 2: You'd like, hoops, you know what you're doing. Your daughter's good.

461
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 2: You guys can get a squad. I was like, oh, okay,

462
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,679
Speaker 2: that is a job to a resume. Gay, I'm moderately

463
00:24:55,720 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 2: interested anyways. So as such, I'm into the women's NCAA tournament.

464
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 2: I'm into it. I'm not gonna lie. And I was

465
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:07,640
Speaker 2: irate when the bracket came out and Caitlin Clark got

466
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 2: a just a horseshit draw, and I don't know, I

467
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 2: was outraged. I put some stuff online. But here's the

468
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 2: interesting part. Once I put the stuff online, the people

469
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 2: who were replying they didn't follow me, So I'm like,

470
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 2: how do they find this tweet if they don't even

471
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,439
Speaker 2: follow me? And then I noticed you go look at

472
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 2: their their profile and they're all in one kind of subcategory,

473
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 2: which you could imagine what that is, and some of

474
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 2: them appeared to be bots, and I just I couldn't

475
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 2: tell if there's this smear campaign going on against Caitlin Clark,

476
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 2: or people are just maybe getting sick of the hype.

477
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 2: I don't know that's possible, but something's going on with

478
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 2: this Caitlin Clark Kate and people seem to be taking

479
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 2: joy in the fact that she probably will not make

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Speaker 2: the Final four. And then you've got this other subset

481
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Speaker 2: of people, and I don't like this. They're trying to

482
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 2: make the Caitlin Clark women's college basketball thing like a

483
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 2: black and white thing, Like, wait a minute, she's not

484
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 2: the best player. There's all these other people. Well, obviously

485
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,199
Speaker 2: there's a million good players. But the fact of the

486
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 2: matter is people are drawn into the Caitlin Clark story.

487
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 2: I'm not saying they're not drawn into the Angel Reese

488
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 2: story or the Juju story at USC. And for all

489
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 2: we know, USC might women she's amazing, But for you know,

490
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 2: Katelin Clark's been around Iowa, small school Iowa. I don't

491
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 2: think it's ever done much until she shows up. She's

492
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 2: breaking records, she's hitting threes like Steph Curry, she's packing stadiums,

493
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 2: people are watching. I get it. You're not in a

494
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 2: women's hoops that's fine. Maybe you got no kids and

495
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 2: you're just like that. Do you think I was interested

496
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 2: in women's college basketball when I was like twenty seven

497
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 2: years old and just like drinking three nights a week

498
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 2: and just trying to meet women. No, of course I

499
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 2: wasn't into women's hoops. I mean I was in a

500
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 2: sports and gambling, but no. But now I have a daughter,

501
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 2: I'm into it. And I don't know rob. I know,

502
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 2: I'm sure the amount of people who are upset with

503
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 2: the jar are small. But on my daughter's volleyball team,

504
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,360
Speaker 2: there is a dad who actually played college hoops at

505
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 2: Shamanad And I didn't know this, but he's from Iowa.

506
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 2: And recently I was at this birthday party for a

507
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,239
Speaker 2: guy who turned fifty and I sat next to this

508
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 2: guy who is from Iowa, and he's like, he collects cards.

509
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 2: He's got a million Kitlin Clark cards and he's selling

510
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 2: some of them and doing well. By the way, side

511
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 2: note across the table from me, I'm not going to

512
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 2: say his name, but former top six NBA draft pick

513
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 2: currently working in the front office slash coaching staff if

514
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 2: that's possible of an NBA team, I'll just say in

515
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 2: the Western Conference. And it was a fun dinner. I'll

516
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 2: just say that I'm not going to reveal the name,

517
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 2: but a lot of questions from the NBA front and yes,

518
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 2: I tried to recruit him to the Gray Foxes and

519
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 2: he didn't politely decline. He just kind of was like, yeah,

520
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 2: you know, I'm playing some Hoopstill probably not going to

521
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 2: happen at any rate. My other buddy, who's from Iowa,

522
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 2: is like messages like dude, we got so shafted with

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00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 2: Kaitlin Clark, Like LSU, the defending champ is a three seed,

524
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 2: and I don't know, row. I just feel like if

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00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 2: the committee wanted to blow this out and give Kaitlyn

526
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 2: Clark the Duke treatment, line it up so that she

527
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 2: had a week two seed and a week three seed.

528
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, it's a no brainer. She has set

529
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 2: television records for women's basketball. It's not even close. You

530
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 2: need her in the final four. Your selling point for

531
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 2: the Final four is we got Caitlin Clark, we got USC,

532
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 2: we got South Carolina and whoever the other TVO, Stanford whatever.

533
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 2: Without Caitlin Clark, I can almost guarantee you you can

534
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,719
Speaker 2: cut that TV audience from you know, I think they

535
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 2: got ten million last year or something. You could just

536
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 2: chop that to seven and a half as like as

537
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 2: like a max point. If she's not in it, I'm sorry.

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00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 2: Like you, Cotton has that girl who's super famous. I

539
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 2: mean I follow her on Instagram. She's super talented. She's

540
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 2: gonna be in the WNBA. I think she had like

541
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 2: back to back knee injuries or something they got. There's

542
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 2: good players, so great programs, but there is a different

543
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 2: thing about Clark, and there's like a Hoosiers vibe to

544
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 2: what's going on there. And I listen, I know Rob

545
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 2: has a daughter, but she's too young to play hoops.

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00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 2: I don't know. Rob. Are you into the Caitlin Clark

547
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 2: stuff as much as I am?

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00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: Oh? And I'm one of those people. I'm not a bot,

549
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: and I wish I would have commented on it, But

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00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: I fully support everything you said about the committee members

551
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: and and them dropping the ball on this one, because

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00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: women's college basketball as a whole is having a moment

553
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: like they're they're they're fleeting in sports like you don't

554
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: get them very often, and when they do you it's

555
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: up to you to capitalize. Like you know, David Beckham

556
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: when he came to the LA Galaxy all those decades ago,

557
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: was a moment for American soccer, right, and they didn't

558
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,719
Speaker 1: do a good job of pouncing on it, and they

559
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: kind of tread water there for a second. Now we're

560
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: hopeful that MESSI can be the guy who makes it

561
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: more mainstream here in the United States. But right now

562
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: women's college basketball is having a moment, and the reason

563
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: being it's not the undefeated South Carolina game Cocks, it's

564
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: not the defending champion LSU Tigers. It's Caitlyn Clark. Caitlyn

565
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: Clark's Iowa team has two of the five highest rated

566
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: college basketball games this season regardless of gender, including the men. Right. Okay,

567
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: her championship game last year against LSU, if I'm reading

568
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: this correctly, average nine point nine million viewers, the most

569
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: ever for a women's college basketball game in history. Okay,

570
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: Caitlyn Clark generates clicks, generates eyeballs. Anytime you can bring

571
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: her up on your television program, on your radio show,

572
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: on your podcast, in this case, the numbers go up.

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Speaker 1: She is a lightning rod for sports fans. And to

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00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: your point, we all obviously sports is about you know,

575
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: it's a meritocracy. You want the best to be the best,

576
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: and so on and so forth. But the thing about

577
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: the tournament, and this goes for the men's tournament as well,

578
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: is it's not necessarily about finding the best team, because

579
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: if it was, it wouldn't be a one and done format,

580
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: right Yukon in basket, men's basketball wouldn't have to subject

581
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: themselves to being upset by a random team that lost

582
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: twelve games this year. If you kind of loses in

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00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: the first round, is that mean they weren't, you know,

584
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: basically one of the best teams all?

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00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course not.

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00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: It just means they had a rough night in that

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00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: game and they happen to lose it. The tournament is

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00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: about generating clicks. The tournament is about getting people to

589
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: watch their television. It is big business, first and foremost.

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00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: The men's basketball tournament, according to the Athletic is valued

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00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: at about one point one billion excuse me, is worth

592
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: nearly double the one point one billion dollars it brings

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00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: in annually from television revenue. The women are, obviously, are

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00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: not anywhere close to that. But if they have any

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00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: kind of hope of becoming something that we talk about

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00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: every year, something that we do our brackets for and

597
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: we have office pools and such for you need moments

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00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: like this with Kaitlyn Clark, and you need her on

599
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: the biggest stage. This is an opportunity for that to happen,

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Speaker 1: and they botched it in a huge way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, disappointing. Well, well, listen, obviously it's different because you

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Speaker 2: got I think the first two rounds are at home.

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Speaker 2: I think for the higher seed than women's in the

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Speaker 2: women's rum, I get. I watched last year when Kaitlyn

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Speaker 2: Clark would start to make the run. I'm not saying

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Speaker 2: she won't beat LSU, but LSU is so talented, Like

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00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 2: they're stacked. The girl that transferred from Louisville. Another girl

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Speaker 2: I follow on Instagram, she has like eight hundred thousand

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00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 2: followers or whatever it is. Like they're good. They're probably

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Speaker 2: gonna beat Kaitlin Clark in elly eate and that's gonna suck.

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Speaker 2: Is disappointed now, maybe I know the other people Chase Jays,

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00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 2: so she's gonna lose. What does it matter if she

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00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 2: loses ELI eight or final four. Here's the thing, guys,

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00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 2: they try to make a big deal out of the

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00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 2: final four, the women's final four. I'm almost certainly is

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Speaker 2: like a Sunday afternoon after the day after the men's

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Speaker 2: Final four. I think I'm pretty sure, Bob, do you

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00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 2: think that's accurate.

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Speaker 1: I have to check on it, but I think.

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00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 2: I'm almost certain. It's a Sunday and it's like standalone,

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Speaker 2: there's nothing else really going on, and it's it's awesome,

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Speaker 2: Like great. The elay day ain't stand alone. It's not

623
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Speaker 2: like a Saturday afternoon. It's just not it's you know,

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00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 2: it's not as interesting. It's just like in the men's side,

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00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 2: you know, the first four days are epic, and then

626
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 2: the Thursday Friday games in the sweet sixteen or and

627
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 2: because it's like Thursday night, Friday night after a layoff

628
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 2: and then elit eight, it's okay. But the real deal

629
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 2: is the Final four. It's a big to do and

630
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 2: like that's where you need your stars. I don't know, man,

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00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 2: I'm disappointed. But now I've ranted too long about Iowa

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00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 2: women's basketball. And that'll do it for today. We're back tomorrow.

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00:33:58,400 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 2: Talk to you then.