1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: There are certain matchups that are bigger than the sport 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:06,359 Speaker 1: they're in. There are certain rivalries that mean more to everybody, 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: and there are certain moments that all you have to 4 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: do is call out the teams and suddenly we're all interested. 5 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: While everybody's sleeping and trying to figure out what's going 6 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: on in the NFL over the course of the next week, 7 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: and we're all talking about tanking in the NBA, all 8 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: of these different things. College basketball gives us what is 9 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: arguably the greatest rivalry in all of sports this weekend 10 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: when they give us Duke North Carolina, and the question 11 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,159 Speaker 1: is does it hit as hard as it used to? 12 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: He's Buck Rising, I'm Jason Fitzbucket Fits on Fox Sports Radio. 13 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 2: Buck. 14 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: I think it's important to admit my bias right as 15 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,480 Speaker 1: we start this conversation. There is no team in all 16 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: of sports, in all of sports, I don't care what 17 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: sport we're talking about. There is no team in all 18 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: of sports that I hate more than duke basketball. There 19 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: is no team like when I flashback to a little 20 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: fat me as a kid sitting there, you know, grew 21 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: up a UNLV fan. I have one videotape, a one 22 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: tape for my entire life growing up. 23 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 2: My parents didn't have a camquard. We didn't have that money. 24 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 2: We weren't rich. 25 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 1: So I have one videotape of my entire life growing up, 26 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: and on the side of it, all it says is 27 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: one O three seventy three that would be UNLV beating 28 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:14,199 Speaker 1: Duke for the national championship. 29 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 2: I remember where I was the. 30 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: Next year when a very very very heavily favored UNLV 31 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:22,199 Speaker 1: team was undefeated and they went into the final four 32 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,839 Speaker 1: a heavy favorite against Duke, and they lost and I cried. 33 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: I cried, and it stuck with me, and I hated Duke. 34 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: Like the first time I ever met Jay Will in ESPN, 35 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: the first thing I told him. 36 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 2: Is I hate Duke like I hate Duke. I can't 37 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 2: say that loud enough that being said. 38 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 3: Not even a hello, how are you great career? I 39 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 3: love your work, just I hate Duke. 40 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 2: I hate Duke. 41 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: I think it's important to established these things. You know 42 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: Jay Will as a friend. Now it's a but he understands, 43 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: he understands my hate show. So you think, yeah, that's right, 44 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: I consider j Will a friend. I'm not sure you know. 45 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: I'll text him to see if he text me back, 46 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: we'll get an answer on that. But it just feels 47 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:07,559 Speaker 1: like amazingly John Shire took over for coach Krzyzewski a few. 48 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,839 Speaker 2: Years ago and something changed. I don't know if it's 49 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 2: the one and done world that we're living in. I 50 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 2: don't know if it's just Shire has a different approach. 51 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 2: I don't know what it is. 52 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: I just when I look around and I'm like, where 53 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: are my brothers and sisters in hate of Duke? 54 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 4: I don't feel like I have it. 55 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 1: Like it's interesting that this rivalry maybe feels like a 56 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: little less heat to me because I don't think Duke 57 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: right now has a roster full of Christian Latner like 58 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 1: villains that everybody's obsessed with. It feels like some of 59 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,239 Speaker 1: the hatred for Duke has worn off across the sports landscape. 60 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 4: How much do you think. 61 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 3: The hate was predicated off of Duke because they have 62 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 3: had hateable players, right, I mean that's very much yes, 63 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 3: in their DNA across history, whether it's Lightner or whether 64 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,239 Speaker 3: it's J. J. Reddick, Oh my god, who's the guy 65 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 3: that played for the Grizzlies for a little while, like 66 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 3: the Grayson Allen right, like they have had. I know 67 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 3: that Grayson Allen is not like the other two, but 68 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 3: like you understand my meeting, they have had hatable players 69 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 3: in their history. How much do you think that hate, though, 70 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 3: dissipates because coach Ky is not there, Because Skryzewski is 71 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 3: also not necessarily endearing. I mean he's great, right, He's 72 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 3: excellent and deserving of the legendary status that he holds 73 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 3: and all the things that he accomplished across his career, 74 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 3: especially at that program. I mean, he's iconic for a reason, 75 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 3: but he's he's got a lot of the I don't know, 76 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 3: he's got a lot of the Belichick stuff to him, right, 77 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 3: just in terms of how he carries himself, the way 78 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 3: that he speaks, some of these press conference moments that 79 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 3: go that would make the rounds, whether he's just snapping 80 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 3: in a student reporter or something like that. Like he's 81 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 3: had these moments and Kay is not necessarily I think 82 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 3: after you know, during the retirement tour, everybody's and heaping, 83 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 3: you know, love and affection on coach Skoshevsky. But once 84 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 3: once he goes, I think, like I don't hate John Shire, 85 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 3: you know, I don't think that they don't. They don't 86 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 3: seem like the death Star to me anymore. Now, maybe 87 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 3: that's because I've I've never me personally, I've never had 88 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 3: that kind of hatred for Duke as a program. 89 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 4: I know a lot of people have. For me. 90 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 3: That's Kentucky. I have hated Kentucky basketball my entire life. 91 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 3: It's because Indiana and Kentucky, I mean used to be 92 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 3: a rivalry. I feel that way about Purdue. I feel 93 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 3: that way about Kentucky. I do not feel that way 94 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 3: about Duke. So maybe I'm speaking from a place of ignorance, 95 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 3: but that a lot of that seemed too dry up 96 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 3: after Kay retired. 97 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 1: Well, and to that point, I mean, think about the 98 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: way we used to talk about Alabama football and Nick Saban. 99 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: Nick Saban over like, I'm not sure much of Saban's 100 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,919 Speaker 1: stick has changed. It just went from always a grumpy 101 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: coach that nobody likes, like Savan's out here being Saban 102 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 1: and now when he's the exact same person on game day, 103 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: it's endearing and it's your papa that everybody wants to 104 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: hang out with, right like, It's it's wild the change 105 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: that comes from maybe not having the same level of 106 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: dominance too, like if Shire turns around and wins two 107 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: or three national championships in the next five years. It's 108 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: an interesting portion of American pop culture. This came up 109 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: the other day on one of my Yahu shows, because 110 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: if anyone hasn't seen it, you should look at it. 111 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 2: Look it up. 112 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: The reception in Japan for Sho hey O Tani has 113 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: been absolutely incredible. They filled a stadium, like a full 114 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: on stadium for his batting practice. Right, it's like watching 115 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: Michael Jackson in the heat of the eighties, Like when 116 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: he's over in Japan, everybody's flocking to him. They're following 117 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: him everywhere that he's got security. It's like beatles Mania 118 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: for everything show he's doing in Japan, which started as 119 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,359 Speaker 1: sort of a conversation we were having about what it 120 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: takes to be that in here, like who would be 121 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: the American superstar that transcends globally that way? And one 122 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: thing that's interesting to me is that in America, this 123 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: is just the way that we've always run our superstars. 124 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 1: You have to have a certain level of success to 125 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: then where you become loved and hated all at once, 126 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 1: Like you have to have an equal amount of people 127 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: that feels like on one side, it's just the way 128 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 1: that we work. 129 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 2: So like, no matter what Lebron does. 130 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: Now, for the rest of his career, they're gonna be 131 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: people that are like, oh, Lebron's not Michael, I hate Lebron, 132 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: I hate the decision whatever it is. Right, Like Kad 133 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 1: suddenly became polarizing because he decided to go to Golden State. 134 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: And you know, Stu Gotts doesn't acknowledge those championships, right 135 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 1: Like Tom Brady? Is Tom Brady the ultimate super Bowl champion? 136 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 1: Or is he the guy that deflates balls and you know, 137 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: cheats every time he possiblely get Like this is what 138 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: we do with any level of real success. Like you 139 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: have to have a certain level of success to become 140 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 1: transcendent in our culture. You have to have a certain 141 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: level of success to where you become both loved and 142 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 1: hated at the same time. Even Like go back to 143 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: music in the eighties, there was one year where bon 144 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: Jovi was voted the best and worst band in Rolling. 145 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 2: Stone in the same year. 146 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 1: Like, we have to either love or hate something for 147 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: it to transcend in popularity. And I'm not sure that Duke. 148 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: Maybe Duke needs to win a bunch of championships. So 149 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: then they're so successful under Shire that they then become 150 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: again both loved and hated. 151 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 3: Well, and then there's the component of this game specifically, right, 152 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 3: because I do think it has a little bit more 153 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 3: juice if Caleb Wilson was medically clear to play. It 154 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 3: doesn't sound like, at least as of today or yesterday 155 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 3: when last there was some reporting on this. They're star freshman. 156 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 3: He's been one of the he's been one of the 157 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 3: biggest reasons why North Carolina hasn't really been able to 158 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 3: climb back up into the second I understand they're still 159 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 3: hanging onto their ranking, but still he's had a hand fracture. 160 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 4: At this point, he. 161 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 3: Is, He's a really big piece of this puzzle as 162 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 3: far as making this a more compelling game, kind of 163 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 3: bringing that additional juice to the rivalry. If I'm not mistaken, 164 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 3: he's missed six games since he hurt that left hand, 165 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 3: And I know Hubert Davis was asked about it earlier 166 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 3: this week yesterday in fact, and you know there's individual 167 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 3: workout stuff that's going on. I'd be surprised to see 168 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 3: him out there this weekend. So I think that also, 169 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 3: at least for this specific version of that rivalry is 170 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 3: taking a little bit of juice from it. 171 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: You're right, but as we sit right now in North 172 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: Carolina is number seventeen, and as we sit right now, 173 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: Duke's number one. Yeah, and I just like Duke's number 174 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: one after going in and what a game against Michigan 175 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:37,719 Speaker 1: that you know, when Michigan was number one, Duke was 176 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,719 Speaker 1: three or four, and everybody was obsessed with what it 177 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: would look like. And you know, Boozer has come out 178 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: and been everything that you could possibly want Booze to be, right, Like, 179 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: It's just it's funny to me because I can't say 180 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: that Duke has slip on. That's impossible. They're the number 181 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: one team in the country. I just don't remember the 182 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 1: last time Duke was number one taking on UNC and 183 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: it felt like it had this little amount of heat 184 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: and that you know that in part, you're right, and 185 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: that's on the North Carolina side for this, But these 186 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: are two ranked teams. 187 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 2: North Carolina has the chance to sweep Duke. This year. 188 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 1: North Carolina finished this year undefeated at home. They have 189 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: the chance to sweep Duke. They have the chance to 190 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: make a massive statement before the ACC Tournament in this 191 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: matchup between two teams that are both in the top 192 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: twenty and Duke is number one. Like, I just feel 193 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: like most years we would be sitting here all week 194 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,359 Speaker 1: and we would just be drowning in Duke, North Carolina. 195 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: You know, best of the lineups, best history, best matchups, and. 196 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 2: It just doesn't have that same level. 197 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 1: And I wonder part of I think we're onto something 198 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 1: here that part of that is Shire, and part. 199 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 2: Of it is that Booze as a star is just. 200 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: It's kind of a likable kid, you know, like he's 201 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: just he's not Christian Lehtner or Grayson Allen or JJ. 202 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 2: Like he's kind of. 203 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: A likable dude. Like it's fun watching and play. There's 204 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: a there's a certain joy to what they're doing. So 205 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: it's a it's a change, and I don't know if 206 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: it's good change, you're bad change. It just feels different, 207 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: like growing up watching wrestling in the eighties, which I 208 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 1: reference all the time with your book, Like one of 209 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: the interesting things was sometimes they be a face and 210 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: sometimes they be a heel. Like there'd be a chapter 211 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: where Macho Man was a good guy. In chapter where 212 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: Macho Man was a bad guy. I think we're in 213 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: the babyface chapter of Duke. I think we're in the 214 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: chapter where people like going into this season, this postseason, 215 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: going into this tournament. I don't think you're going to 216 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: have the same level of I watch Duke just to 217 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: hate watch Duke. I think you've got a lot of 218 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: people out there that are like, oh man, this deep 219 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: pretty good. 220 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I don't know, I kind of like that. 221 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 3: You you can have those different phases for a program, 222 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 3: like you don't have to think the same way about 223 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 3: a program its entire existence or a player that's their 224 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 3: entire career. This is not an uncommon story arc, right. 225 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 3: I think Lebron is a good example of this, where 226 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 3: you're lovable in Cleveland, you're hateable when you go join 227 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 3: up with Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh and Miami. Then 228 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,719 Speaker 3: you come back to Cleveland you're the hero again. I 229 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 3: don't really know, you know how much how much polarization 230 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 3: there is around Lebron's Lakers. 231 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 4: Tenure at this point in time. 232 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 3: Brady the same, right, And we're talking about things that 233 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 3: have obviously achieved at an incredibly high level for their 234 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 3: entire careers or in the case of Duke is a 235 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 3: basketball program its entire existence that you can you can 236 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 3: go through these these cycles and and get a different 237 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 3: experience in different eras of whatever it is that you're 238 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 3: talking about. So if Duke gets to be likable for 239 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 3: a period of time very soon, they won't be right. 240 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 3: That's just that's not we don't allow you to be 241 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 3: that kind of I mean, you can't even call them 242 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 3: a lovable underdog or anything like that. They're the number 243 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 3: one team in the country. They're killing people. They have. 244 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 3: They've won seven straight since they lost that game to 245 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 3: you and UNC in early. I mean, he's a little 246 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 3: it'll be a month ago tomorrow if I'm not mistaken, 247 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 3: followed up by that neutral court when at Michigan that 248 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 3: we talked about, and then they just drummed Virginia by 249 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 3: twenty six after that, so they've just they've been on 250 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 3: a tear. There's no reason to look at Duke and think, oh, lovable, 251 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 3: plucky underdog Duke, right, That's not what this is. But 252 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 3: the team itself, the coach, I think just kind of 253 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 3: the vibe that they project is not what you are 254 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 3: you are accustomed to feeling about that specific basketball program. 255 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 4: Which I think is fun. 256 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: There are plenty vibes to get in your breakdown, but 257 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: we are only days away from the start of NFL 258 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: free agency. 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Monday is a big day because 285 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: it's the beginning of what they call legal tampering, which 286 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: is just such a weird way to term it, but 287 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: for anyone that doesn't know, the league year for the 288 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: NFL starts on Wednesday, so the way this works, on Monday, 289 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 1: teams can start contacting players. They enacted this air quotes 290 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 1: legal tampering rule because what was happening is that free 291 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: agency was opening. About thirty seconds into free agency, there'd 292 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 1: be an announcement of a massive, complicated contract, and the 293 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: question was, how did you work that out in thirty seconds? 294 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: So now they let them start working it out Monday. 295 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: It gets a little complicated with some players though, because 296 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 1: some players will not be released until the beginning of 297 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: the league year. Kyler Murray, So Kyler Murray will be 298 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: released on Wednesday. That should, in theory, be the first 299 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: time he can have tangible conversations with other teams about 300 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: who could sign him as a free agent. We'll see 301 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: how all of that plays out, but one team that 302 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: he keeps getting linked with Buck that doesn't make any 303 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: sense to me, as in Minnesota Vikings. And I'm torn 304 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: on this on what the right thing is for Minnesota 305 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: because JJ McCarthy has played ten games. JJ McCarthy to 306 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: me coming out when he was drafted. The first thing 307 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: I said when I was hosting the draft show for Yahoo, 308 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: is anyone that tells you they know what they're talking 309 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: about with JJ McCarthy's pulling it out of their butt, 310 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: because like, at some level, yeah, I won a national 311 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: championship mis but not throwing the football like so many 312 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: quarterbacks we see, we didn't have a ton of time 313 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: on task. Quarterback gurus were saying, well, yeah, but there's 314 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: these four throws in this one game. Like there was 315 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: such limited body of work with JJ that people were 316 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: trying to convince you that one throw to the outside 317 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: hash against Perdue meant something, all right, So like that's 318 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: how how weird it was. From the minute he got 319 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: drafted it almost everybody keeps saying no, no, no, JJ's great. 320 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: I don't think we know, And now we only have 321 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: ten games of evidence. I don't think we know. But 322 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: the Vikings are in this really weird spot where their 323 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: window to win is right now and they can't keep 324 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: just screwing around trying to figure out their quarterback. Looks like, So, 325 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: I agree they need to bring in somebody, but you 326 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: know you're not bringing in Kyler Murray for one year. 327 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray's going to somewhere sign a multi year deal 328 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: as a starter. 329 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 2: I think. 330 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: So if they if they bring in Kyler Murray, they 331 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: are shutting the door on JJ. Is that the right move? 332 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 3: Well, are you sure about that last part? You're sure 333 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 3: he's not gonna have to be in a situation where 334 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 3: he shows that he's worth a long term deal in 335 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 3: his next opportunity, because I don't. I mean, Kyler is. 336 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 3: Kyler's like the hardest player in the NFL to evaluate. 337 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 3: And I'm not you know, I'm not any kind of 338 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 3: expert in personnel evaluation or anything like that, but just 339 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 3: as somebody who covers the league on a daily basis, 340 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 3: who has seen a lot of Kyler Murray games. Who 341 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 3: I mean, I just watched I covered Kyler Murray's last 342 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 3: game as a Cardinal. He got hurt against the Titans. 343 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 3: It was one of the weird it was one of 344 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 3: the only Titans wins that they had last year, but 345 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 3: it was a It was very much he looked He 346 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 3: looked good until you know, things started to fall apart 347 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 3: around him, and then all of a sudden, you know, 348 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 3: he's out with a foot injury that costs him the 349 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 3: rest of the season, and they soft bench him for 350 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 3: Jake Briskett, Jacoby Brissett, and now he's no longer a 351 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 3: Cardinal because Manti asen Fort is trying to the general 352 00:16:56,520 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 3: manager there is trying to continue to reshape that team 353 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 3: in an image that he thinks is more viable, which 354 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 3: also brings up an interesting question about what the hell 355 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 3: the Cardinals are going to do at quarterback moving forward. 356 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 3: But I mean, I haven't talked to anybody specifically about 357 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 3: Kyler in a contract situation. 358 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 4: I just don't think it's a given that he gets 359 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 4: a multi year deal. 360 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,199 Speaker 3: Who's going to be willing to give Kyler Murray a 361 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 3: multi year deal with And I'm not I'm not there 362 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,880 Speaker 3: every day like I am here in Tennessee, around those players, 363 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 3: around those coaches. But I have just come back from 364 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 3: the combine, where you are around a lot more NFL 365 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 3: people for a lot of other different teams Kyler's always been. 366 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 3: Is it unfair to describe him as a bit difficult? 367 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 2: I don't think it's some fair. 368 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's probably the most diplomatic way to 369 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 3: put it. Whether it's the homework clause that was in 370 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 3: the contract that he pushed back on, whether it's the 371 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 3: weird stuff pre draft. And obviously you're a different person 372 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 3: during the pre draft process than he has become now 373 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 3: with several years as an NFL starter. But he's not. 374 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 3: He's not, you know, the easiest personality to work within 375 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 3: the situation. I don't think he's like a malcontent or 376 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 3: anything like that. I don't think he's a bad actor. 377 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 3: I just think that there's some some stuff that comes 378 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 3: with Kyler, some additional baggage. Maybe getting released from Arizona 379 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 3: is a moment of clarity and he, you know, leaves 380 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 3: some of that baggage in the desert and he goes 381 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 3: on to thrive in his next opportunity. He would be 382 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 3: a hell of a reclamation project in a world of 383 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 3: Sam Darnold's and Daniel Jones's and all these other players 384 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 3: who have fared much better in their next stint or 385 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 3: in the case of Sam Darnald, their next like four 386 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 3: stints than they did and with the original team that 387 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 3: drafted them, because God knows, Arizona has won nothing of consequence. 388 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 3: I am very curious to see how the league responds 389 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 3: to Kyler being available, because I would think and maybe 390 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 3: he has more leverage here than I'm realizing, But I 391 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 3: don't see what leverage Kyler has to push for a 392 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 3: multi year deal. 393 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:04,919 Speaker 4: Now. 394 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: I was in your boat, to be clear, and I'm 395 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: the farther y'all. I'm not pretending to be a big 396 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: jay journalist or an insider either of those things. What 397 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: I try to do for this job when it comes 398 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 1: to things that maybe are a little bit out of 399 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: my my knowledge scope is I try to talk to 400 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 1: as many people I think that are smart as can 401 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: as I can. I was pretty stunned because I came 402 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 1: into the Kyler Murray thing thinking, okay, like, let me 403 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: be very clear, I would not want Kyler Murray to 404 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: be the quarterback of my favorite football team. I'll say 405 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: that loudly. And coming into this when we all knew 406 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 1: he was getting released, my concept was he's going to 407 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 1: sign a one year, proved deal somewhere. I was immediately 408 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 1: corrected by other people that say no, no, no, like 409 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 1: he's he's looking to be a starter somewhere and someone's 410 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: going to make him a starter. 411 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 2: Now. I have a harder time doing the math. 412 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: To figure out where that is because I don't think 413 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: that Kyler is a demonstrable update upgrade from Tua. For 414 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: I don't think when you've already had, you know, the 415 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 1: quarterback issues that the Jets have had, I don't think 416 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: that necessarily Kyler coming in. 417 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 2: While I think he's a better. 418 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 1: Quarterback than Justin Fields, I don't think it solves the 419 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: problem long term. If you're the Steelers and you just 420 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 1: fired a coach because you just can't get through the playoffs, 421 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,239 Speaker 1: I don't look at Kyler Murray is the answer. So 422 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: like to me, I'm immediately stacking all of these Kyler 423 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 1: Murray bricks against him. But that being said, I do 424 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 1: think Kyler Murray should have a much stronger market than 425 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: Malik Willis. Like this Malik Willis thing blows my damn mind. 426 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: I want to remind the entire world that in Malik 427 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: Willis's whole career, entire career, my guy's thrown one hundred 428 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: and fifty five passes total last year. 429 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 2: For all of this talk about Malik Willis is going 430 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 2: to go. 431 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 1: Out and get paid, and I'm somebody that has said 432 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: on this show with you, he's going to get paid. 433 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 1: Last year he was thirty or thirty five passing the 434 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 1: ball that's not in the game. Now he was thirty 435 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: to thirty five. In the last two years, he's attempted 436 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: less than one hundred passes. So we see it when 437 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: we talk about the lack of proof of concept to 438 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy, the lack of proof of concept for Anthony Richardson, 439 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: who certainly has looked terrible when he's had the opportunity. 440 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: I get it, But man, paying Malik Willis a wild 441 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: amount of money on less than one hundred attempts over 442 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 1: the last two. 443 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 2: Seasons, I have a hard time with that. So I 444 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 2: think the. 445 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: Market is going to be a part of why Kyler 446 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 1: has a market out there well. 447 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 3: And then further contextualize the Malik thing this way, and 448 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 3: I forget who who ran the numbers on this, So 449 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 3: forgive me for not attributing proper credit, but somebody went 450 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 3: through Malik Willis's passing attempts and took out all the screens. 451 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 3: He's got like twenty six dropbacks in the last two 452 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 3: years where he's actually throwing passes like not just a 453 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 3: screen pass, not just you know, a quick, quick, you know, 454 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 3: out tossed the ball to the running back out to 455 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 3: the side type deal. Somewhere in the ballpark of twenty 456 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 3: eight to twenty six total dropbacks in two seasons. Now, Again, 457 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 3: he's not starting right, so we understand this that there's 458 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 3: been limited opportunities for him to even take advantage of. 459 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 3: But when you further peel away the layers of it 460 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 3: feels disrespectful to call him an onion. But like the 461 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 3: layers on the Malik Willis situation, it looks even more glad. 462 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 3: This man's about to get a million dollars per drop back, 463 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 3: well an aav not in actual money. We'll see what 464 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 3: the actual structure of the contract is. But yeah, I mean, 465 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 3: I think Kyler's more viable than Malik. We were having 466 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 3: this conversation again locally because the Titans have Will Levis 467 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 3: and obviously Will Levis is not going to start over 468 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 3: cam Ward, and the Titans flipped Will Malik Willis to 469 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 3: the Packers for a seventh round pick A couple of 470 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 3: years ago. So we've we've been talking about will as 471 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 3: a as a next viable trade ship. 472 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 4: If you'd have. 473 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 3: Told me, or if you'd have asked me, who is 474 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 3: the better quarterback between the two of them, I would 475 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 3: have said will Levis. And now, obviously Matt Lafleur did 476 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,479 Speaker 3: some good things in Malik has done well to continue 477 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 3: to progress in his NFL career. But I saw Malik 478 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 3: start here and it was brutal. I mean, he looked 479 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 3: lost in a lot of different moments. Now that was 480 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 3: several years ago. He since grown and developed into a 481 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 3: more viable player. But the sample size that you're pulling 482 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,360 Speaker 3: from there is you talk about JJ McCarthy being infinitesimal. 483 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy has started more games than Malik Willis has. 484 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: So keep it going with the quarterback comparisons, because one 485 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: of the guys that we are going to talk a 486 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 1: lot about over the next few months is ty Simpson. 487 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 2: And one of the arguments against. 488 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 1: Ty Simpson is that he only has five hundred and 489 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: twenty three attempts in his entire career, which isn't a 490 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 1: ton four hundred and seventy three of those attempts all 491 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: came last year. Go back to the entire college career 492 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: of Malik Willis. In his two years at Liberty, he 493 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: attempted six hundred four passes so and fourteen at Auburn 494 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 1: before that. So we're not talking about any real body work. 495 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: So when people sit here and say, well, ty Simpson 496 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 1: doesn't have a ton of tape, we gotta figure it, 497 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 1: like teams don't necessarily love a guy that doesn't have 498 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: a ton of tape. Like I've literally heard that as 499 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 1: a discussion point for Ty Simpson. 500 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 2: We don't have a ton of tape to break down. 501 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,959 Speaker 1: And I'm looking at it thinking, Okay, well, ty Simpson, 502 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 1: you're right, we don't have a ton of tape on 503 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: Ty Simpson because he's. 504 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 2: Just coming out of college for four years. 505 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: Malik Willis was in college for four years and now 506 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: has been in the NFL for four years, and he 507 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: doesn't have that many more throws total in his entire 508 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,880 Speaker 1: career than Ty Simpson. 509 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 2: Like what are we doing here? It's alarming to me. 510 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 1: How much we desperately want to assign benefit of the 511 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: doubt to guys and then take benefit of the doubt 512 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: away from others. 513 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 2: Like part of it is Okay, time on TASH. 514 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 1: We've seen enough bad football from Kyler Murray to know 515 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 1: exactly what the traits of bad football are. We just 516 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: haven't seen as much bad football because people weren't paying 517 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: attention to Liberty, let's be honest. And then people weren't 518 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,439 Speaker 1: paying attention to the Titans because Malik Willis and the 519 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: Titans were never going to be somebody that people pay 520 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: attention to. And so all we see is this little 521 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: reclamation moment with Green Bay, and I'm just I'm not 522 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 1: willing to sit there and extrapolate that forward into some 523 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: sort of massive reason for success, like if Kyler Murray 524 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 1: wants to become a better quarterback. I think the right 525 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,479 Speaker 1: answer for Kyler Murray, and I can't speak for him 526 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: as a human being, I would much rather to your 527 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 1: reclamation point. 528 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 2: I'd rather be the backup in Kansas. 529 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 1: City or in LA for the Rams right now, for 530 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 1: any of these quarterbacks that we're looking at, saying, man, 531 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,120 Speaker 1: would you really need Will Levis, you mentioned Malik Willis, 532 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, any of these guys if you really want 533 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 1: to have a sustainable, long term shot at becoming a 534 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,439 Speaker 1: real starting quarterback in this league? I want to go 535 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 1: to somebody that can help translate to me. I just 536 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: don't know that Kyler Murray wants that. I don't know 537 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: that he wants to learn that structure. But my god, 538 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: look at the way we're talking about mac Jones now 539 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: based on a few games with Kyle Shanahan versus the 540 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 1: way we're talking about Kyle Kyle m Kyler Murray. Because 541 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: Murray simply has more bad than good that we've seen. 542 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that the argument for like in the 543 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 3: case of Willis and Levis, they haven't had their opportunity 544 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 3: to cash in, and it makes it like Kyler's made 545 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 3: money tons in his NFL career, will would will will 546 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 3: be this is his fourth year and because he wasn't 547 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 3: a first round pick, like if will Levis were to 548 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 3: do something of consequence in his fourth year, he could 549 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:44,159 Speaker 3: hit the money faster than guys that were drafted in 550 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,479 Speaker 3: the same year as him and c. J. Stroud and 551 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 3: Bryce Young and ar obviously is a different case study 552 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,679 Speaker 3: entirely from that twenty twenty three NFL draft. 553 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,439 Speaker 4: And this is Malik's opportunity. 554 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 3: So don't I don't fault them for if if they 555 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 3: are both determined to have a starting opportunity and are 556 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 3: on the precipice, Malik more so than will obviously on 557 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 3: the precipice of getting one of those real NFL paydays 558 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 3: that you dream about that can change your life. I mean, 559 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 3: Malik Willis, if you were to if you were to 560 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 3: hit anywhere close to the kind of numbers we're talking about, 561 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 3: this is generational money. This is money that would change 562 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 3: not just his life, but his family's life. 563 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 4: So I'm not. 564 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 3: I don't begrudge guys who it may seem shortsighted to 565 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 3: your point, but I bet if you gave Mac Jones 566 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 3: that same opportunity to be like, yeah, give me the cash. 567 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 4: I don't want to do this. 568 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 3: I've had to do this out of necessity because Bill Belichick, 569 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 3: Joe Judge, and Matt Patricia tried to wreck my career 570 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 3: after I went to the Pro Bowl my first year. 571 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not You're not wrong. 572 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: I I agree that the opportunity, and look, it's easy 573 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 1: for any of us to sit back and say, well, 574 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: you know, the long play, the long play. 575 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 4: Like just wait a little longer. 576 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 3: But I know the average careers only three years anymore, 577 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 3: But just wait a little longer. 578 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,400 Speaker 4: You'll be fine. I promise, I swear, just keep making 579 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 4: your mayonnaise money. 580 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: I mean, how many people in our industry, in media, sports, broadcasting, 581 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: how many people have gone to work for companies that 582 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: maybe didn't have the same level of cacheted career to development, 583 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: but they could get a big check up front. 584 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 2: Like how many people in life do that? 585 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 4: Right? 586 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: Like, if you have the chance to go work somewhere 587 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,640 Speaker 1: where you can become the best widget maker in history, 588 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: but it's gonna take some time, and you got a 589 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: lot of things. 590 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:28,479 Speaker 2: You got to break the right way and you got 591 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 2: to do a lot of work. 592 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: Or you can be a fine widget maker and only 593 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: work for a few years, but you're gonna make generational wealth. 594 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 2: You take that, You're a thousand percent right. 595 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: It's interesting because we assign this reclamation project concept to 596 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: quarterbacks every year now, and that's because of the success 597 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: of Baker even before it fell apart, the success of 598 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: Geno when he first moved on, the success for Sam 599 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: darnoald Like, we have an annual example of this. I 600 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: think though, that gets a little bit tricky and a 601 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: little bit dangerous because certainly Sam Arnold now because he 602 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl now it is I can win 603 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl with the reclamation project. I think there's 604 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: a much different conversation if it's like, yes, you can 605 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: if you happen to get a reclamation project quarterback that, 606 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: by the way, had a ton of talent. And on 607 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: top of that, just number one, let's also acknowledge is 608 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: on one of the best defenses we'll see in the league, 609 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,479 Speaker 1: with probably the best defensive minded head coach we're going 610 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: to see in the league who schemes better with an 611 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator that is so regarded at his job as 612 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator that he's going to become a head coach. 613 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: With a two headed monster at running back that happens 614 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: to be one of the better two hundred monsters we've 615 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: seen in a long time. 616 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, a top three wide receiver 617 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 2: in the NFL. 618 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: If you put all those things around Kyler Murray next year, boy, 619 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: maybe he could turn around and be a reclamation if 620 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: he's as coachable in that reclamation process as Sam Darnold was, Like, 621 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: that's that's what. 622 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 2: We're really talking about here. 623 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: Like, even if you look at Baker Mayfield, you know, 624 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: and I mean certainly Baker Mayfield, I have joked a 625 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: couple of times maybe he's a co coach maker. 626 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 2: Maybe it's not, you know, maybe Baker's a coach maker. 627 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: But also Dave Canalis is now having some level of 628 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: success with the Panthers. Liam Cohen came in and almost 629 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: immediately unlocked Trevor Lawrence. So like, sure, if you're Baker 630 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: and you go to a team that's stacked with a 631 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: bunch of wide receivers, that has some really good weapons 632 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: and a great offensive mind on a team with pretty 633 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: good defense in his case, in a really bad division, 634 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: you can win a lot of football games. I think 635 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 1: not all reclamation situations are as nice as what we've 636 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: seen land for the quarterbacks that have actually had their 637 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: reclamation story. 638 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 3: It just to me, it comes down to how much 639 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 3: different are all of these players than one another. Like 640 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 3: I understand that they all do different things, that they 641 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 3: have different personality types, that their football acumen or their 642 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 3: general you know, level of intelligence is different. And I'm 643 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 3: not saying that, you know, this guy's dumb and this 644 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 3: guy so so much smarter, but like just generally, like 645 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 3: in the same way that we are all different people, 646 00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 3: that you and I are different people, that Loraina is 647 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 3: different person that whoever right, Like, there our wrinkles to this, 648 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 3: but as far as like actively being able to deliver 649 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 3: on playing the position of quarterback in the NFL, you've 650 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 3: got your own wrinkles to your game. But how many 651 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 3: guys are actually that much better than the next guy? 652 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 3: Or in reality, are eighty percent of quarterbacks if you 653 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 3: drop them into the situation that you've just described, are 654 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 3: those eighty percent of starting caliber NFL quarterbacks gonna be 655 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 3: able to do something similar to what Sam Darnold did? 656 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 4: I don't. 657 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 3: I'm not saying that they win the Super Bowl ten 658 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 3: times out of ten, But do they get you to 659 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 3: the NFC Championship Game? 660 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 4: Do they do they garner a number one seed in 661 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 4: a conference? 662 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 3: If you have all of these things, plus the luck 663 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 3: that comes with being very healthy throughout the course of 664 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,239 Speaker 3: their throughout the course of their season, playing in one 665 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 3: of the most difficult divisions, I am inclined to think 666 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 3: that you can get that kind of play out of 667 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 3: eighty percent of players. But the geography won't allow you 668 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 3: to do that, because not every situation is created equal. 669 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 3: Seattle is not the same as Arizona, Tennessee, is not 670 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 3: the same as Indianapolis like this. This is just something 671 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 3: that I think we assigned so much value to franchise 672 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 3: quarterback proper win. In reality, it's really about the organizations 673 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 3: and the places that you're dropping these guys into and 674 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 3: how often we see them flame out Because you know, 675 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 3: the guys, the best guys at the top of the draft, 676 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 3: they go to the worst teams, and a lot of 677 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 3: times those teams are bad for a reason, and they 678 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 3: have trouble trying to continue to dig themselves out of 679 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 3: a hole even if they do have the. 680 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 4: Number one overall pick in the draft. Cough Cough, Titans. 681 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 2: Man. 682 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: It's just when you say, I've said for years that 683 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: I think the best coaches are like Chopped the TV show. 684 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 1: They open a basket of ingredients and whatever they have 685 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: they can cook with. And to your point, as you're talking, 686 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 1: all I keep thinking about is that at some level, 687 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: most of these quarterbacks they're already fill a. Now you 688 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 1: can go to your local meat market because you like 689 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: this fill a a little bit better than this file. 690 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: But if you're basket of ingredients has a bunch of 691 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: really good stuff and your. 692 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 2: Chef is really good, if. 693 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: You have a great chef with a bunch of great ingredients, 694 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're not as worried about what 695 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: that protein looks like. If the rest of your ingredients 696 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: are bad, or if your chef doesn't know what the 697 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: hell he's doing, then that stake better be absolutely perfect, 698 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: the highest edge you can possibly get. I think that 699 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: more and more that you're talking, the more and more 700 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: I think that's similar to what the NFL is like. Sometimes, Yeah, 701 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,479 Speaker 1: you've got a Mahomes, you've got a Lamar, you've got 702 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: a Josh, and that's such a premier ingredient you want 703 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,239 Speaker 1: everything around it to be great. But most of these 704 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: quarterbacks are sort of in that same range, And now 705 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: I'm hungry. 706 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 2: That's the truth. 707 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: They're ready to atack you with financial goals. Webel makes 708 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: it simple to start investing, powerful tools, real time data. 709 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: All in one app gets started at webuil dot com 710 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 1: or download and load the weeble app today. We bilel 711 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: Financial LLC Member s I P C f I n 712 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: r A. Investing involves risk. More information visit webile dot com. 713 00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: Slash disclosures coming up. We're gonna figure out who's making 714 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: Logan Paul's, but we'll tell you about it. Next, He's 715 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 1: Buck Rising. I'm Jason fitzbucking Fits on Fox Sports Radio. 716 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 5: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 717 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,320 Speaker 5: the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio 718 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 5: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to 719 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:16,360 Speaker 5: listen live. 720 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: Logan Paul is out here offering a million bucks, which 721 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 1: by the way, is chump change for Logan Paul. 722 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 2: Love it or hate it? 723 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: Oftener a million dollars is a boxing challenge to NFL players, 724 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 1: and I gotta admit I really hope somebody takes him 725 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: up on it, because I have a sneaking suspicion in 726 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: the world would tune in to watch Logan Paul get 727 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: his ass kicked. 728 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 2: It's bucking Fits. 729 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: Taken over for two pros and a cup of Joe. 730 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,479 Speaker 1: He's Buck Rising. I'm Jason Fitz. Tell me I'm wrong, Buck. 731 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: I just keep thinking about Logan Paul taking on I 732 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 1: don't know Max Crosby that we see all the time 733 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: coming and Max's out here sparring during the during the 734 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 1: offseason in an MMA, ring all the time like he 735 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,359 Speaker 1: just loves getting hit. He loves getting punched in the face, 736 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: like he has said repeatedly he loves physical contact. Logan 737 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,280 Speaker 1: Paul out here saying he will challenge any NFL player 738 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:05,800 Speaker 1: to a million dollar boxing match. 739 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,240 Speaker 2: Somebody needs to go out and just take that million dollars. 740 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 3: I just I have visions of Trent Williams picking him 741 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,800 Speaker 3: up and snapping him like a like a small branch. 742 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 4: Over his knee, his very large knee. 743 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 3: I just it's a performative thing, which is fine, like 744 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 3: I'm down until it's it's uh. 745 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 4: What's the line when keeping it real goes wrong? Like 746 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:31,280 Speaker 4: the one? 747 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,479 Speaker 3: Uh, what's the other Paul brother's name is it? Jake 748 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 3: Paul Jake Jake Jake Paul takes an actual boxing match 749 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 3: and then gets his jaw broke, right like after he's 750 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 3: been fighting the old men and former UFC fighters that 751 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 3: are getting into a boxing ring with him, and all 752 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 3: these other different kind of sideshow circus attraction type fights. 753 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 4: I can't remember the name of the box. 754 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 3: I don't follow boxing or the Paul brothers very closely, 755 00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 3: and maybe that's on me. 756 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 4: I understand that they have a huge following. They're very popular. 757 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 3: Whether it's a popular or polarizing or whatever the draw is. 758 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 4: I get that. 759 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 3: I'm the outlier here, Okay, but I just can't imagine 760 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,840 Speaker 3: that you would want to go through with this, that 761 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 3: you would want to actually go through with this because 762 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 3: these dudes, I guess Logan Paul is also in the 763 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 3: category of professional risk taker, and it does take some 764 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 3: level of strength and athleticism to do. I mean not 765 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 3: just some like I was very impressed. I was, you know, 766 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,799 Speaker 3: this would be a finable offensive marion Ian, we're here, 767 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,319 Speaker 3: But I was at the John Cena Logan Paul match 768 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:39,439 Speaker 3: in Paris this past I guess that was a Labor 769 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,439 Speaker 3: Day weekend, and like that was my first time really 770 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 3: being up close and personal and like seeing the level 771 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 3: of athleticism that goes into the WWE. I have a 772 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 3: very new respect for that as somebody who didn't really 773 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,400 Speaker 3: grow up watching wrestling or any and really understand the 774 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 3: choreography of all the different training that goes into it. 775 00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,319 Speaker 3: But this is different if you're talking about fighting a 776 00:36:59,320 --> 00:36:59,959 Speaker 3: football player. 777 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:00,720 Speaker 4: These dudes. 778 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,320 Speaker 3: These dudes, do you know they do violence for money, 779 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 3: like real violence for money, not not what's going on 780 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 3: in a WWE ring. I get that there is still 781 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 3: some level of strain and strife to that, but this 782 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 3: is a very different ballgame that you're playing with very 783 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,400 Speaker 3: different kind of people, and I don't think that you 784 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:20,760 Speaker 3: would fare well against. 785 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,280 Speaker 4: It's not even like the big money dudes FITZI. 786 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,880 Speaker 3: It's like some I think, some practice squad guy who's 787 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 3: fighting his ass off to make a roster, who's you know, 788 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 3: coming in at vet minimum. I think that's the kind 789 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 3: of dude that would be hungry enough to go in 790 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 3: there and rip Logan Paul's face off for money. 791 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,280 Speaker 1: And it's a win win for Logan because we're talking 792 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 1: about him right, like that's what he really wants. I 793 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: think that's thee element of this, like understandable. He's six 794 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,360 Speaker 1: two to two o five. I always go back to 795 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,280 Speaker 1: Damian Woody, who's just one of the nicest human beings 796 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,799 Speaker 1: you could ever interact with. Damian Woody is a great guy. 797 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 1: Damian Woody shakes hands really, really, really carefully, really cautiously, 798 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,960 Speaker 1: because his hands are I mean massive. 799 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 2: Now, I'm a small individual. 800 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 1: I'm the first one that I'm five nine and a half, right, Like, 801 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 1: what do I know, I'm a small dude. 802 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:11,359 Speaker 2: I got tidy baby hands. I get it. 803 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 1: But I laughed at Damien one time when we were 804 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,840 Speaker 1: taking hands on something were sort of like bro Hugue 805 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, you're always so gentle, and 806 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,239 Speaker 1: he said, you know, he's like you figure it out 807 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 1: over years, because, as he pointed out to me, I 808 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,320 Speaker 1: used my hands for violence for so many years. 809 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 2: I want to be careful. I don't hurt people now. 810 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,960 Speaker 1: And I thought about that because Damien would he just 811 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 1: shaking my hand in any sort of a firm handshake 812 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,279 Speaker 1: way would physically hurt me. And again, I'm small, I'm 813 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,440 Speaker 1: not Logan Paul's size. I think he's he's underestimating how 814 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,959 Speaker 1: much lineman buck fight with their hands every single day 815 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: and how fast those hands are. 816 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:46,399 Speaker 4: Oh my god. 817 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 3: Adrian Peterson is famous for this just just bone crushing handshakes. 818 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,800 Speaker 3: He was he was a Titan for like six seconds. 819 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,480 Speaker 3: That was whenever Derek Hedrick broke his foot. I think 820 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 3: it was twenty twenty two. And like he went around 821 00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,719 Speaker 3: and shook guy's hands like media members hands when he 822 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 3: was doing his first introductory press conference and things like that. 823 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 3: It's real and like, I now, he's going out of 824 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,520 Speaker 3: his way to make sure that you know that he's 825 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,400 Speaker 3: got the best and the strongest handshake. That you've ever felt, 826 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,400 Speaker 3: but like it was still one of those moments like 827 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 3: Oh I don't want anything to do with this ever, 828 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,359 Speaker 3: Like this is how this guy plays football much less 829 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:17,440 Speaker 3: shakes your hand. 830 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just keep thinking about Aaron Donald, not a 831 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,319 Speaker 1: current NFL player, but would absolutely kick his ass. All Right, 832 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,360 Speaker 1: we mentioned Max Crosby, the rumormill won't stop. What's the 833 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,480 Speaker 1: latest and what's it really mean? We'll tell you next. 834 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:30,920 Speaker 1: Bucket fits Fox Sports Radio