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Speaker 2: Hey, what's up? Welcome back another Tuesday. This is the

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Speaker 2: Official Colts Podcast. We're brought to you by when Bet.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for coming back again this week. I'm Matt Taylor

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Speaker 2: in studio today, joined by JJ Stange. It say hello, Jj, Hello,

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Speaker 2: Casey Value over there, Casey, what's up? What's up, No

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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Gorman, no Layer Overton today as we're getting you

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Speaker 2: in the summertime. Temperatures were way up last week, down

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Speaker 2: a little bit this week. Typical Indiana for you. But

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Speaker 2: for your Indianapolis Colts. And JJ, You're gonna be on

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Speaker 2: summer vacation next week, right, Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm away author, Casey Value.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and everybody's gonna realize whenever JJ comes back, the

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Speaker 4: That's so critical the situation that he's in, where I mean.

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Speaker 2: did hear from Julian Blackman late last week after I

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Speaker 2: think Friday's practice with the media. He is now running

435
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Speaker 2: with the first team defense at strong safety, so it's

436
00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,560
Speaker 2: now Blackman's show. He's taking over that role after he

437
00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:41,680
Speaker 2: split reps at free safety last year with rookie Rodney Thomas.

438
00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,800
Speaker 2: Nick Cross has been running with the second team defense

439
00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:50,640
Speaker 2: most of OTA's at the strong safety position. So black Men,

440
00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,280
Speaker 2: in terms of going to the strong spot, that's a

441
00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,160
Speaker 2: new role for him, and he's going into a contract year.

442
00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,080
Speaker 2: He said last week that he's enjoying playing closer to

443
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Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage, which he did a bit last

444
00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,240
Speaker 2: year filling in at the nickelback position when Kenny Moore

445
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,320
Speaker 2: was out late last year. He's certainly familiar, you know

446
00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,080
Speaker 2: with with putting his nose in the box in the

447
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:14,040
Speaker 2: running game. But black Men, to me, Casey, he looks

448
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,119
Speaker 2: like a guy like a fish in water. At that

449
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,199
Speaker 2: position like a guy that is embracing it and loving

450
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:23,399
Speaker 2: it again, embracing all of the communication that comes with it,

451
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,560
Speaker 2: the physicality that comes with playing in the running game,

452
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 2: in the box and being a willing tackler. I don't

453
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Speaker 2: know is it time to pencil black men in at

454
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Speaker 2: strong safety going into training camp based on what we're seeing. Absolutely,

455
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Speaker 2: I think go and pencil him in.

456
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Speaker 3: And you might also, you know, maybe not grabbing for

457
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,200
Speaker 3: the pen and sharpie yet, but you're pretty close. I

458
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 3: think he's a guy that you can talk to staff members, anybody.

459
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,399
Speaker 3: The talent is there. You're not questioning that talent. The

460
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Speaker 3: key to playing in the NFL for a long time

461
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 3: is your availability. That is the best ability you have

462
00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 3: is being available. We have seen multiple injuries that have

463
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Speaker 3: forced him to be able, maybe not be able to

464
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Speaker 3: put together a full season where you go, wow, Julian

465
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 3: Blackman is a playmaker. But I think you've seen it

466
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,240
Speaker 3: in so many spurts that you're like, he's just right

467
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 3: there on the cusp. So I think it's one of

468
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 3: those things that it didn't matter if it was free

469
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Speaker 3: safety strong safety for Julian, you'd be very pleased at

470
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Speaker 3: wherever he's.

471
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Speaker 2: Going to be.

472
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Speaker 3: I do like this role for him though, because one

473
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Speaker 3: of the things we've talked about throughout his duration here

474
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Speaker 3: is how good he is in other areas. I would

475
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Speaker 3: assume we haven't seen too much of it, but Kenny

476
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 3: Moore is one of the best blitzers. From a corner,

477
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 3: I would assume Julian Blackman is right there in that

478
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Speaker 3: same realm where if you need him to do that,

479
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Speaker 3: that's something that he can do. I think him playing

480
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 3: Nickel last year and getting a little bit more comfortable

481
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Speaker 3: in that spot, it's really gonna lend its hand really

482
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Speaker 3: well this year. I think you can pencil him in.

483
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Speaker 3: I think that's what's going to happen. And if Julian,

484
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Speaker 3: I think if we're talking about Julian Blackman playing a

485
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Speaker 3: full season this year, I think that Colt Secondary is

486
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Speaker 3: going to be very very good.

487
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Speaker 2: So I think he's bulked up a little bit. Yeah.

488
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Speaker 4: He was listed last year at one hundred and eighty

489
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 4: seven pounds. He's now listed to two oh two. So okay,

490
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 4: put on a little bit of weight, which is you know,

491
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 4: you need to be a little bit more of a thumper. Yeah,

492
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 4: as a strong safety down in the box. To me,

493
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 4: the biggest reason why you want Julian there is because

494
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Speaker 4: he can communicate. The strong safety in Gus Bradley's defense

495
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 4: does a lot of communicating.

496
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Speaker 2: And he's probably the most one of the most communicative

497
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 2: guys in the locker room just in general.

498
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Speaker 4: A grease he's that is a strong skill that he

499
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Speaker 4: possesses and usually you know that that communication I think

500
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 4: sometimes will come from the free safety because deeper you

501
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 4: see everything. But the way that Gus wants his strong

502
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 4: safety to play, that is a spot where you have

503
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 4: to be a great communicator. That's why Rodney McLeod slid

504
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 4: in there last year because the Colts needed that communication

505
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 4: aspect from that position that Nick Cross as a rookie

506
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 4: just wasn't quite ready to get there. And I think

507
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 4: to me that that is a big, big reason why

508
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 4: Julian is going to fit in at that strong safety spot.

509
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,679
Speaker 4: But he is going to have to play with you know,

510
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 4: more physicality, and he's gonna have to play a different way,

511
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 4: you know, where he's gonna have to take on some

512
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 4: more run assignments. But just look at the game. That

513
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 4: always sticks out to me every time I can remember

514
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 4: the Colts play playing Derrick Henry. Of the last couple

515
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 4: of years where Julian Blackman's been on the field, he's

516
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 4: just been like a menace. Yeah, Like he is hanging

517
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 4: on to Derrick Henry's hamstrings and bringing.

518
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Speaker 2: Him down, making stops in the back.

519
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,880
Speaker 4: You couldn't tell that, you know, you know, a free

520
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 4: safety who usually don't think of as a very strong tackler.

521
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 4: He's been good at that, So I think he's got

522
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 4: that in him, you know, the blitzing stuff that the

523
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 4: Colts don't send a lot of blitzes. Gus Bradley doesn't

524
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Speaker 4: send a lot of blitzes in general, let alone with

525
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 4: the strong safety. But we have seen from time to

526
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 4: time Julian be able to do that. So that's you know,

527
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 4: a card that you can play with him if you

528
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 4: want to, and I like it. I mean it also

529
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 4: adds competition. You're also you're not handing that job to

530
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Speaker 4: Nick Cross. You're saying, hey, you got to compete for

531
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Speaker 4: it now. By the way, with the guy who's entering

532
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 4: his fourth year in the league, who has the communication

533
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 4: aspect of it in a pretty good spot.

534
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Speaker 2: I mean, Julian Blackman is so good at communicating back

535
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,360
Speaker 2: in the secondary that he's telling the Colts wide receivers

536
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 2: how good they are as well. Right, there's there's always

537
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 2: some junk being tossed there in OTAs between Julian Blackman,

538
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 2: and it doesn't matter who it is, if it's Ashton

539
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 2: Dolan or Michael Pittman Junior, or I think it was

540
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 2: Malik Turner the other day. Those guys went nose to

541
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,719
Speaker 2: nose or face mask. The face mask a little bit,

542
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 2: which I love to see making it competitive this time

543
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 2: of year, Right, you got to grind together offense and defense.

544
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Speaker 2: You kind of just touched on it, JJ. How big

545
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 2: of a season is this for Blackman? As you said,

546
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,719
Speaker 2: he's going into a contract year, but also too if

547
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Speaker 2: you look at the rest of the depth chart, the

548
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 2: Colts still have three players at safety with at least

549
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 2: two years still left on their contracts after this season. Right,

550
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 2: They've got Rodney Thomas who next year is going to

551
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 2: be going into year three, Daniel Scott they just drafted

552
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 2: Nick Cross is going into year three next year. This

553
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 2: is really big for Blackman to prove that he is

554
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 2: worthy of being considered for another contract. With all of

555
00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 2: that youth on the rosters still after this upcoming twenty

556
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 2: twenty three season.

557
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 4: Well, regardless of whether it's an extension with the Colts

558
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 4: or a deal in free agency, if this year goes

559
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 4: well for Julian Blackman, he can go into it and say,

560
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 4: I can play strong safety, I can play free safety.

561
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:14,199
Speaker 4: I can play nickel.

562
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 2: Yep.

563
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 4: If you're a tea, say if the Colts don't you know,

564
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 4: if they say, all right, we need.

565
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 2: To get and all that stuff gets tested right in

566
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 2: terms of depth, right.

567
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 4: You know we need to get younger. We don't we

568
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 4: have these guys here and he hits free agency. Julian

569
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 4: Blackman is going to be a pretty coveted free agent

570
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 4: if things go well for him this year, because any

571
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 4: team that plays any coverage scheme could look at him

572
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 4: and say, we can find a spot for that guy.

573
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 4: That's really important. And I think he understands that. I

574
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 4: think he understands that this year, if he if he

575
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 4: plays up to the standard that he wants to set,

576
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,719
Speaker 4: he's going to make a lot of money by doing it.

577
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 4: And I think he gets that.

578
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 2: All Right, we're seesawing back and forth between offense and

579
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Speaker 2: defense here. I want to go back to offense. Another

580
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,640
Speaker 2: guy that is shining during Ota, Kylon Granson. Casey put

581
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 2: in together a nice spring, getting a lot of work

582
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 2: at tight end because the Colts are down three bodies,

583
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 2: or at least they were Jelanni Woods as we said,

584
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 2: with the knee. Drew Ogle Tree still not going with

585
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 2: the knee, continuing to rehab after ACL last year. Will Mallory,

586
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 2: the rookie out of Miami, fifth round pick. He is

587
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 2: dealing with a foot injury that he suffered during rookie

588
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 2: mini camp, so he did not go last week. We'll

589
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 2: check out his availability this week. But Casey Grantson making plays. Man,

590
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 2: where does he factor into the Colts tight end pecking order? Man,

591
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 2: that's a great question.

592
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 3: I would say that it's a big definitely a big

593
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 3: time right now, and then training camp is going to

594
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 3: be really big to watch in that tight end group

595
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 3: just because you look at it from a depth wise,

596
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 3: there's a lot of bodies and you don't have as

597
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 3: many roster spots for that fifty three when you look

598
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 3: at it, So it's a big training camp for a

599
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 3: guy like Kyland Grantson. But if you look at it,

600
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 3: last year, Kylan Grantson actually led the tight ends and receptions.

601
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 3: So you look at the yards per catch and all

602
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 3: of that. It wasn't big numbers, but he did lead

603
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 3: that group. I think your pencil in you know what

604
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 3: Jelani Woods is gonna give you, You've seen what Mohiley

605
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 3: Cox can give you. Everybody thought that the darling of

606
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 3: camp last year until his unfortunate acl was Drew Ogletree

607
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 3: and then Kylon Granson. So there's a handful of guys,

608
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 3: you know, fighting for a couple spots, but he's definitely

609
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 3: taking advantage of having the more time with other guys out.

610
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 2: And trying to prove to Shane stikeen one and that's.

611
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 3: Kind of where I am is. You know Shane Stike,

612
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 3: and this is the first time he's getting a look

613
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 3: at a guy like Kylon Grantson. So it's a big

614
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 3: couple months for Kylon Grantson, who's trying to, you know,

615
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 3: enter in year three and and just take that next step.

616
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 3: We saw flashes during camp last year, and then you

617
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 3: had all the uncertainties with the offense. What we saw

618
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty two kind of hard to kind of

619
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 3: point out, well, he didn't do this. It was a

620
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 3: whole microcosm of a bunch of things. But I would

621
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 3: say that this is a big opportunity for Kylon grantson

622
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 3: because he showed he's got that different style of the

623
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 3: tight end mold and body, more of that wide receiver esque,

624
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 3: if you will. So it's a big time for him

625
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 3: to kind of show that other element that he can bring.

626
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 4: I think Case you brought up a really good point

627
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 4: there about last season just the offense being broken, yes,

628
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 4: in general, making it hard to evaluate these guys. Usually

629
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 4: year two is where you start to see the jump

630
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 4: until and you saw it with Kylan Grants and his

631
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 4: numbers one up, but they weren't you know, thirty one

632
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 4: catches three hundred and two yards. It's not like they

633
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 4: blew anyone allaya.

634
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 2: And then he plays with four quarterbacks right right?

635
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 4: Was that because he played with a bunch of quarterbacks

636
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 4: in an offense that was broken or was that because

637
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 4: of that's who he is as a player. I think

638
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 4: this year, in general, I think we're gonna find a

639
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 4: lot out about the Colts, the skill position players in

640
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 4: this offense. Maybe who aren't Michael Pittman Junior or Jonathan Taylor,

641
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 4: who we already kind of have a good idea those

642
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 4: two pretty good players right there, if the offense is

643
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 4: just not like near the bottom of the league, like

644
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 4: I you know, looking up some of the numbers on

645
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 4: the offense, the Colts last year had the second fewest

646
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 4: number of plays where a wide receiver was targeted twenty

647
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 4: or more yards on the field in the NFL, and

648
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 4: was all pearson Woods, right, it was pretty much all Piers.

649
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 4: There are thirteen receptions on those plays and seven word

650
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 4: Alec Pierce. How do you judge an offense when everything's

651
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 4: so condensed? And oh, by the way, if you ran

652
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 4: an overload front against the Colts, you're gonna have a

653
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 4: free runner like every single time. I mean, everything about

654
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 4: that offense last year just felt so broken that it's

655
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 4: hard to kind of suss out like who you can

656
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 4: really look at this year, Which is why I think

657
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 4: when we get a guy that con grants and you're

658
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 4: like you're kind of sitting up in your seating him

659
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 4: in OTAs and you're like, man's he's out there making

660
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 4: some places. Ye that might be Oh, that might be

661
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 4: a little colonel to follow during training camp, right when

662
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 4: you get the pads on, is he still ascending as

663
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 4: a player, because maybe he would have been ascending last

664
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 4: year if the offense was in a better place. That's

665
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,959
Speaker 4: a really interesting thing to think about as we kind

666
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 4: of move forward.

667
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 2: Indeed, and we just talked about this on Friday actually

668
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 2: on the last word, Jeffrey and I, I think you

669
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 2: can keep four tight ends top on this roster, and

670
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 2: it's a really big year for grantson and as I said,

671
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 2: the Cults are gonna have to cut some really good

672
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,959
Speaker 2: players that tight end or stash some guys on the

673
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 2: practice squad because the Colts are they're bringing back all

674
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 2: three of their tight ends last year who played over

675
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 2: three hundred STAPs. Right, you talk about Miami Knx, Jelani Woods,

676
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 2: Kylon Granson. But then you've got interesting pieces of the

677
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 2: puzzle that will in a good way complicate things. If

678
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 2: Ogletree comes back and is the same player he was

679
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 2: last August, he complicates things. Mallory could complicate things. And

680
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 2: then don't forget about Faroll Brown. They sign him in

681
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 2: free agency. We really haven't spent a whole lot of

682
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 2: time talking about him, but he's a guy that is

683
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 2: good in the run game and the passing game. He's

684
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 2: a veteran. He's played in almost sixty games three teams

685
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 2: over the past six seasons. So again, Casey, inevitably one

686
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 2: or two of those guys that doesn't make the regular

687
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 2: season roster or the practice squad, the Colts are gonna

688
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 2: have to part ways with some tight ends who I

689
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 2: think probably make some rosters on other teams around the NFL.

690
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 3: No, I think I think you're spot on there and

691
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 3: that I mean, that's one of the things you always

692
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 3: talk about. You want to have, you want to cut

693
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 3: good players. That's what you're trying to get to. You

694
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 3: want to get to the point where you have so

695
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 3: much competition. The guys you're letting go are guys you're

696
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 3: seeing getting picked up elsewhere. And I think that is

697
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 3: really really good for this tight end group because all

698
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 3: the competition does it just brings out the best out

699
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 3: of the guys, and it really just gives you a

700
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 3: good idea of what you're looking at. Guys like Kylon

701
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 3: Grantson is only going to get better when he is

702
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 3: being pushed by everybody else. So I think that's what

703
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 3: you want to see, especially right now. So I mean,

704
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 3: I think when training camp comes around, that is definitely

705
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 3: a position group that I'm going to be heavily watching

706
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 3: just because there's a lot of guys fighting for very

707
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 3: few spots.

708
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 4: Like if you're if you're a tight end on the

709
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 4: Colts and you haven't had a fire lit under your

710
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 4: butt right this offseason with Will Mallory coming in through

711
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 4: Ogletree coming back. Yeah, kind of like another ro Cocks

712
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 4: coming back. You know, all these guys, Uh, then what's

713
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 4: your motivation? Because everyone everyone in that room could make

714
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 4: the roster or not make the roster.

715
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 2: Right, and those guys are going to be put to

716
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 2: the test in joint practices. How about that for a segue.

717
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 2: We found out late last week for the first time ever,

718
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 2: the Colts are going to be holding joint practices with

719
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 2: not one, but two teams during training camp. So the

720
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 2: Bears are coming to town to play the Colts in

721
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 2: the preseason, and before that, they're going to be coming

722
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 2: to Westfield to practice against the Colts leading up to

723
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 2: that August nineteenth game at Lucas Oil Stadium, and then

724
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 2: the Colts will practice against the Eagles I think for

725
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 2: only one day. JJ. If the schedule my mask, it

726
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 2: would be that way.

727
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 4: If we don't know for sure, but it would be hard.

728
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 4: I think it'd be hard to do two days because

729
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 4: you would.

730
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 2: Out as a five days between.

731
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Speaker 4: And I don't know what the regulations are in the CBA,

732
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 4: but I'm pretty sure the day after a game has

733
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 4: to be a player's day off.

734
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 2: Which would be Sunday.

735
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 4: It should be Sunday, so then you would probably fly

736
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 4: to Philly on Monday. Yeah, maybe hold like a walk through,

737
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 4: and then probably two So I would assume it would

738
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 4: just be one, right, but even just one, I think

739
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 4: you get you get a lot out.

740
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 2: Of those, right. And they play the Eagles on August

741
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 2: twenty fourth, So again, not sure if it's gonna be

742
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 2: one or two days stand by for that. But bottom line,

743
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 2: the Colts have not traveled to another team's training camp

744
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 2: location for joint practices since two thousand, when they went

745
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 2: down to Tennessee to practice against the Titans before the

746
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 2: AFC South was formed, So really big news there. JJ. Obviously,

747
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 2: a lot can be accomplished, a lot can be obtained

748
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 2: when you hook up with another team twice going into

749
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 2: the regular season. You see a first team offense, you

750
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 2: see a first team defense. It's all about reps, especially

751
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 2: for Anthony Richardson. How much will these joint practices help

752
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 2: ar In that regard, It's like almost another game like

753
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,879
Speaker 2: setting for him going into the regular season against two

754
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 2: first team defenses.

755
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 4: I mean, okay, so the benefit and the drawback to

756
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 4: a joint practice. The drawback for Richardson is it's not

757
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 4: going to be live, right, He's going to be in

758
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 4: a red jersey, not gonna be contact, no one can

759
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 4: hit him. But the benefit is when you get into

760
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 4: these joint practices, he is going to see some more

761
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 4: exotic coverages, some more disguised coverages, some different fronts, some

762
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 4: different pressure looks that the Eagles are going to have

763
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,479
Speaker 4: or the Bears are going to have absolutely no interest

764
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 4: in putting on film in a game. When you get

765
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 4: into preseason games, you are running vanilla offensive concepts against

766
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 4: vanilla defensive concepts. That's how it always goes, because there

767
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,760
Speaker 4: is no reason for a team to put on readily

768
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 4: available film something that they might want to use in

769
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 4: the regular season beyond the base stuff in their playbook,

770
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 4: the stuff that everybody knows they're going to run. So

771
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 4: you get these probably three joint practices for Richardson, and

772
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 4: he's going to see different ways that Mattieberflus and Allen

773
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,439
Speaker 4: Williams are disguising coverages. Maddiberfluss, by the way, really good

774
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 4: at disguising coverages. We learned that over his four years

775
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 4: in Indianapolis. That's gonna be a challenge for Richardson. Then

776
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 4: you go to Philly and you're gonna get a different front.

777
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 4: You're gonna have an odd front in Philly with Sean

778
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,919
Speaker 4: Decie there, and you're gonna get kind of the Vic

779
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 4: Fangio tree of disguising coverages and playing a different way.

780
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 4: So you're gonna have an even front in the Bears.

781
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 4: You're gonna have an odd front in the Eagles. You're

782
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 4: gonna have different you know, zone coverages from the Bears,

783
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 4: different zone coverages from the Eagles, different ways of playing man,

784
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 4: whatever it is. Those are going to be hugely beneficial

785
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 4: for Anthony Richardson as he gets acclimated to different ways

786
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 4: than NFL teams are gonna play defense.

787
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 3: I think part of what you just said, though, too

788
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 3: you think about it.

789
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:40,720
Speaker 2: Let's say it's three.

790
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 3: Let's say the joint practice of the Eagles is just

791
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 3: once you get three joint practices, I would assume just

792
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 3: because of the fact that he has minimal college game played.

793
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 3: He's a rookie entering the NFL. We're probably gonna see

794
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 3: him play a little bit more in those preseason games.

795
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 2: I'm speaking, I'm.

796
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 3: Sure way out of turn just because we don't know,

797
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 3: but let's just say he plays a little bit in

798
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 3: both of those preseason games where they have the joint practices.

799
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 3: That's six opportunities. Now I know they aren't live in

800
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 3: the joint practices, but it is six opportunities really where

801
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 3: it's outside of a typical practice where you're going. So

802
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 3: for me, that's where I kind of look at this.

803
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 3: For Anthony Richardson, it is six opportunities to go out

804
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 3: and do something before the regular season rolls around that

805
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 3: you would only get in a typical just three preseason games.

806
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 3: So I think that is what is so important and

807
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 3: just the idea when you look at both of these defenses.

808
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 3: Matt eber Flews, the head coach of the Bears, a

809
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 3: defensive mind. The Eagles arguably one of the reasons they

810
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 3: made it to the Super Bowl last year was because

811
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 3: of what they did defensively. And I know they lost

812
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 3: some guys in free agency, but they drafted some pretty

813
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 3: impactful guys in this draft, whether it's Jalen Carter or

814
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 3: Georgia exactly.

815
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

816
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 3: So I mean you look at the guys that you're

817
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 3: going to be going up against. That can only help

818
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 3: a guy like Anthony Richardson in development. So I think

819
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 3: it is a huge benefit for him for what they're

820
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 3: gonna be dealing with it.

821
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 2: I can completely agree. He can play against a first

822
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 2: team defense, which he again, like you said, Casey, he

823
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 2: probably won't do too much of that in the preseason,

824
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 2: but he can play against first string NFL guys and

825
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 2: make mistakes and there's not gonna be any major ramifications, right,

826
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 2: it won't. It won't cost the Colts a game. It's

827
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,720
Speaker 2: all learning. This is if he makes mistakes, which he will,

828
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 2: but you file that away and it helps him grow

829
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 2: and hopefully it helps him later on in the season

830
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 2: when he sees a similar front or a similar scheme,

831
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 2: or he can put something away in his brain and

832
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 2: save it for later and in a you know, on

833
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 2: a second and short or a third and long or

834
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 2: a red zone situation. So I think those practices are

835
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,760
Speaker 2: incredibly invaluable and really important when you talk about getting

836
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 2: as much time on the field as possible and as

837
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 2: many reps as possible going into the season. He's gonna

838
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 2: throw a pick six, potentially against the pairs of the Eagles.

839
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 2: It's gonna be something where he learns from but it's

840
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,919
Speaker 2: not gonna cost the Colts six points in the fourth

841
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 2: quarter of a game they're trying to win.

842
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, the next time you see, say he throws a

843
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 4: pick six because the safety rotated and he misread what

844
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 4: kind of coverage it was gonna be well, yeah, okay,

845
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 4: you do it in practice. It's a little embarrassing, but

846
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 4: sure not gonna cost you a game. And now, next

847
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 4: time you see that safety rotating.

848
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 2: George Bremmer and Joel Erickson right about in the Star

849
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 2: that's it. That's the only thing that gets reported.

850
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 4: And but you know what, Okay, yeah, but the next

851
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 4: time you see that in a game, you see a

852
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 4: safety rotating, and you might not you know, maybe you

853
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 4: know what it means next time. So that's that's gonna

854
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 4: be a really good thing.

855
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 2: For Richard's Yeah, you build those mental lessons, You build

856
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 2: those bonds with your teammates in terms of how you

857
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 2: again mentally adapt from those mistakes, how you grow from them.

858
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 2: Speaking of bonding, last week, the Colts went bowling as

859
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 2: a team to bond a little bit, to build up

860
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 2: some common rottery, and to break up the routine, if

861
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 2: you will, of Ota. Shane Steiken said last week, we're

862
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 2: trying to build that chemistry throughout the team because we

863
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 2: have we've got some new coaches, we've got some new players.

864
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 2: I always say this to the guys, quote when you're connected,

865
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 2: you are committed. We heard that, I think back in

866
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 2: his introductory press conference. So when you know those guys

867
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 2: and you're really close to them, you're gonna go a

868
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 2: little bit harder for them and dig a little bit deeper.

869
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 2: So just to do that stuff off the field, not

870
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 2: so much in the building, but doing barbecues and bowling

871
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 2: or whatever it may be, to get those guys connected,

872
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 2: players and coaches, it's huge. That was the quote from

873
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 2: Shane Steike and I agree with them. And we went

874
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 2: bowling as a team back when I was a college

875
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 2: football player, and that was big. Just to take a

876
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 2: day off of practice, to take a day off of lifting,

877
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 2: and just to make fun of guys that were throwing

878
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 2: them in the gutter. Casey and you know guys that were,

879
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 2: you know, coming in less than one hundred or on

880
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 2: the bowling score. So I love it. When was the

881
00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 2: last time you went bowling, case.

882
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 3: Man, and that is a really good I would say

883
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 3: it's probably been a year or so. I don't. I

884
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,439
Speaker 3: don't bowl often. My kids aren't to the point where

885
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 3: like there so I have five year old twins at

886
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 3: a three year old, so bowling for them it's not

887
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 3: quite to that point where they can get the ball

888
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 3: all the way down without the bumpers. And I've got

889
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 3: very competitive kids who they don't like the idea of

890
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 3: the bumpers because I don't use the bumpers. Yeah, so

891
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 3: we take the bumpers down and it's nothing but gutterball,

892
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 3: gutter ball, gutter ball. So they're not having fun. So

893
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 3: I think when they get a little bit older, we

894
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 3: will enjoy bowling a little bit more than what we

895
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 3: have the most previous time that we bowl.

896
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 2: And now that the weather is nice, right, you're not

897
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 2: bowling is not top of mind. JJ. Bowling for me

898
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 2: is like the perfect winter time activity. Rainy day, you're inside,

899
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 2: you need something to do, you need to kill some time,

900
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 2: do something competitive. That's when you roll down the street,

901
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,760
Speaker 2: get out the bowling shoes and throw a couple of frames.

902
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 4: Boy, I can't remember if you think you've been bowling

903
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 4: on in the last year. I can't remember the last

904
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 4: time I went bowling. It's because I'm terrible at it. Really,

905
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 4: I don't want to volunteer to go. Boy so bad

906
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 4: at it?

907
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 2: Wow.

908
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 3: Well, I know that Matt bowls, not not regularly. But you,

909
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 3: you and your you and the family get out in bowl.

910
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 2: We probably averaged six bowling experiences of year. Okay, yeah,

911
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 2: probably are you any good? Uh? I hover around like

912
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 2: one forty okay, So, like you know, highest score I

913
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 2: think was like two thirteen a couple of years. Wows. Okay,

914
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 2: that's when I was like feeling it for some reason.

915
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 2: I don't know if I had a couple of beverages

916
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,439
Speaker 2: in me or what, but I was. I was in

917
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 2: the zone. I was picking up spares left and right,

918
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 2: had a bunch of markings on the on the scorecard.

919
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, two I think two thirteen was the highest

920
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 2: score I had. So when I was in college, could

921
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 2: I took a bowling class? I went to Manchester College

922
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 2: in north Bowling. Yes, I took bowling. I took God

923
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 2: to class where we had a bowling chapter. If you

924
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 2: and we learned how to keep scoring bowling. That's so.

925
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 3: That's so that the bowling alley in North Manchester, Indiana

926
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,720
Speaker 3: does not have you have to keep your own score.

927
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 3: And I thought I was going to be a professional

928
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 3: bowler because I would my my average, my handicap was

929
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 3: like two fifteen. Like I go out there and I

930
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 3: bowled two forty. It was like, this is the greatest.

931
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 2: You bowled the two forty.

932
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 3: So here's why it is an old lane. They have

933
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 3: not they have not done any updates to in a

934
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 3: long time. So they have a groove that.

935
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 2: If you get the ball in the groove, we spot

936
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 2: that you are.

937
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 3: I mean, you were a striker a spare almost every frame.

938
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 3: So I was like, I thought, man, I'm gonna be

939
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 3: a really good bowler and I'll never forget we go

940
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 3: outside of the class, Like we as a class, we

941
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 3: took a trip to like the Fort Wayne Bowling Alley

942
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 3: and we're all like, oh, we're gonna I think I

943
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 3: did like a seventy four because it was like gutter gutter.

944
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 3: I was like, all right, I hear the ball straight. Yeah,

945
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 3: there is no groove here. So I would say if

946
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 3: when I went out and bowled, it's probably like right

947
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 3: in like that one fifteen one thirty range. But if

948
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 3: I'm up at the lanes in North Manchester, watch out

949
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 3: you can. You can give me a glove and my

950
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 3: own ball, because I look like a professional bowl I

951
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 3: just I like to throw the ball as hard as

952
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 3: I physically can, exactly, and just it's collateral damage.

953
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 2: So what what what happens with me?

954
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not gonna throw the ball as hard

955
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 4: as I can, guy, But whenever I go, you know,

956
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 4: you have a beverage or two, and then I just

957
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 4: try to start.

958
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 2: Trying to spin it.

959
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, like you know Pete Webber out there and

960
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 4: I'm trying to spin it.

961
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is why I get it. Who do you

962
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 2: think you are? Right?

963
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 4: And then inevitably I bowl like a sixty because it's

964
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 4: just gutter ball because I can't.

965
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 2: Actually those are the game. Well my problem is.

966
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 4: So my problem, My problem is I have to bowl

967
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 4: right handed, but I throw left handed, and I can

968
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 4: throw a pretty good curveball. I can only the only

969
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 4: thing I do is throw with my left hand. Everything

970
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 4: else I'm right handed but again I can. I can

971
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 4: snap my wrist pretty well in a curveball, and I

972
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 4: can't do it with my right hand, so when I

973
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 4: try to spin it with my right hand, it just

974
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 4: goes straight into the gutter.

975
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 2: You're a good you're a good golfer. No, I don't

976
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 2: know about good. I play it. You're better at golf

977
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 2: than you are bowling. It sounds like, uh yeah, but

978
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 2: that's a very low bar. It's like you should.

979
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 3: Try the two hand bowl in that like in that

980
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 3: a thing now that I've never Yeah, you know, you

981
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 3: might be.

982
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 2: They were like the perfect game. There are people watching,

983
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 2: people watching, Okay, I had a similar experience case. They

984
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 2: went and bowling one time in Paoli, Indiana. Pole on

985
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 2: the wall place right, local place like family owned, been

986
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 2: there for like seventy five years, going on like a Saturday,

987
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 2: late morning, early afternoon, like middle of January or February.

988
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 2: I know it was wintertime. Nobody there had college basketball on,

989
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 2: drinking like two dollars beers. It was fantastic, like hot dogs,

990
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 2: like it was perfect. I was in heaven for four hours,

991
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 2: beautiful and like snowing, like what are you gonna be doing?

992
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,399
Speaker 2: You're inside or nothing to do like go bowling. Yep,

993
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 2: you know that that's the perfect winter time activity. So

994
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 2: I like it sounds like Kato June was pretty good bowler.

995
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, Kato June. And what Matt Gabe did They say

996
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 3: Matt Gabe was a good They.

997
00:45:58,160 --> 00:45:59,240
Speaker 2: Both have their own balls.

998
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, but uh it was a Julian then yeah, yeah, that's.

999
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: How you know. All right, So Casey, you are filling

1000
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:11,720
Speaker 2: in for JJ next week. Alright, beat with the mini

1001
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 2: camp notebooks until then JJ, until you give the pen

1002
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 2: and notebook over to Casey, what are you writing about

1003
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 2: this week? Until you're out doing doing something?

1004
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 4: On Rigo Sanchez on Tuesday, just he I thought he

1005
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 4: was really interesting talking about his recovery from ruptured achilles

1006
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 4: last year. He's got a really interesting perspective on all

1007
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 4: of it. So writing about that and then media availability

1008
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 4: on Wednesday, we'll hear from a couple of guys here

1009
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 4: from Shane Steichen. That'll kind of take us through the week,

1010
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 4: and uh then it'll take me to the beach.

1011
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, good luck. Yeah, I enjoy yourself, turn the headphones

1012
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 2: on and maybe the kids give you fifteen minutes of

1013
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 2: exclusive time.

1014
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 4: What everyone has told me is when you take a

1015
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 4: vacation with your kids, it's a trip, and then when

1016
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 4: you take a vacation without the kid, it's a vacation.

1017
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I would agree with that. A couple of

1018
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 3: weeks ago, and it was a trip, that's for sure.

1019
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 3: They're just gonna play. They're gonna play at the beach,

1020
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 3: play in the pool, do some putt putt. It'll be

1021
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 3: it'll be nice kids. Is it gonna be the most relaxing.

1022
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 3: It probably won't be the most relaxing trip I've been on,

1023
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 3: but it'll be fun.

1024
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 2: And our Person behind the Pads podcast series continues this week.

1025
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 2: That's where we talk to a Colts player get to

1026
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 2: know them off the field. This week's guest is Zire Franklin,

1027
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 2: regarding how he's dealt with some some tragedy in his life,

1028
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 2: losing his mother and his grandmother while he was in

1029
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 2: high school, and how he has put their memory to

1030
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 2: great use through his foundations, Schalisa's Angels and JJ. You

1031
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 2: had that conversation I think a couple of weeks ago. Yeah,

1032
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 2: really really good. What else do we need to know

1033
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 2: about that? Yeah?

1034
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 4: And I thought it was just a really good conversation

1035
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 4: with Zee who you know, he always just keeps it real,

1036
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 4: like he's one of my favorite dudes to chat with

1037
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 4: on this team, and you know, just some about the

1038
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 4: stuff that he's done with financial literacy. We talked a

1039
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 4: little bit about, you know, life after football, and then

1040
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 4: at the end he there was a moment during the

1041
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 4: podcast where he looked at me like I was a

1042
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 4: complete idiot. Oh and uh it was about Philly cheese steaks.

1043
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 2: Oh, very very passionate where he comes from. So it's

1044
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:18,240
Speaker 2: a big deal.

1045
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 4: Because I, boy, I had no idea what I was

1046
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 4: talking about. You looks at me like you serious, brou Yeah,

1047
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 4: So it was good. I really enjoyed it. I hope

1048
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 4: you guys enjoyed it too. Next week too.

1049
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:30,479
Speaker 2: Well, now you know what it's like to be made

1050
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 2: fun of for some some food takes. Well, Jeffrey does

1051
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 2: it all. Yeah, I know what it's like. Well, I know,

1052
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 2: but normally the vitriol was pointed in my direction. Yeah,

1053
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 2: but that's a good point. That's a good point. Yeah,

1054
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 2: it was good. It was good.

1055
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 4: I learned a lot about some serious stuff with Zaire

1056
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 4: and Philly cheese stakes.

1057
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 2: All right, cool, good dude man, one of the best

1058
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,439
Speaker 2: in that Colt's locker room, so check that out later

1059
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 2: this week on The Person behind the Pads Zire Franklin

1060
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 2: and JJ Stangovitz. Of course, the last is back on Friday.

1061
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Gorman joins me. We'll recap week three of OTA's

1062
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 2: and we'll also talk about the Colts offensive line unit

1063
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,240
Speaker 2: and preview those guys up front on the offensive line

1064
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 2: and the trenches going into next season, how that unit

1065
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 2: can rebound and potentially certainly you know, set a new

1066
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 2: standard for themselves going into twenty twenty three. JJ Stangoviitz,

1067
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 2: Casey Valley, fantastic job. As always on the podcast, we

1068
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 2: were loaded up this week and again we'll do it

1069
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 2: again next week as we start to preview and also

1070
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 2: put a bow on the off season workout program. The

1071
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 2: mini camp is next Tuesday through Thursday, and then it's

1072
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 2: summer break for your Indianapolis Colts and we'll do that

1073
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,760
Speaker 2: all coming up next Tuesday right here on the Official

1074
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 2: Colts Podcast, brought to you by win Bet. Again for

1075
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 2: JJ Casey, I'm Matt Taylor. Have a great rest of

1076
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 2: your week and we'll talk you next week. You're on

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Speaker 2: the Colts Audio Network, So long

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Speaker 1: Four