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Speaker 1: Simon Swallow, thank you for joining us. You put out

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Speaker 1: a statement shortly after this, after this was made public, saying,

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Speaker 1: of course I will not end my lawsuit against him.

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Speaker 1: You also, your statement seemed defiant. You are resolute that

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Speaker 1: you are not afraid, you have no fear.

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Speaker 2: And I know earlier this year.

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Speaker 1: You noted that you knew you could be a target.

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Speaker 1: Now that this is out there and it's been out

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Speaker 1: for a couple of hours, just take us inside your

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Speaker 1: strategy going forward, Sarah, have you actually heard from the

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Speaker 1: Justice Department.

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Speaker 3: Well, first, of course, these allegations are false, just like

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Speaker 3: the allegations against Adam Schiff are false, and Ltitia James

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Speaker 3: are false and Lisa Cook are false and spoiler alert

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Speaker 3: for you, there will be allegations next week against somebody

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Speaker 3: that'll be false. No, the Justice Department has not said anything,

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Speaker 3: just through leaked media reporting. But this is really about

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump going after his political enemies.

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Speaker 4: And no one has been a more local critic than me.

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Speaker 3: And as you mentioned, I have one of the only

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Speaker 3: remaining lawsuits against Salm Trump for his role on January sixth.

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Speaker 3: I don't wake up every day going to work to

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Speaker 3: fight Donald Trump.

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Speaker 4: I fight for Californians.

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Speaker 5: He just happens to get in the way.

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Speaker 6: All he had to do was smash the oligarchy. He's

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Speaker 6: become the oligarchy.

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Speaker 7: And all Trump is done this week is basically shill

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Speaker 7: for the government and for big business.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you some baby.

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Speaker 4: If somebody used to work.

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Speaker 1: With me, get a podcast and they let people get

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Speaker 1: on there and bash the hell out of me talk

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Speaker 1: about an oligarch and whatnot, I would have a problem.

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Speaker 1: But Steve Bannon said there didn't say anything because he

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Speaker 1: agrees with what his guest was saying. If you remember

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Speaker 1: earlier in the administration, it seems like EON's ago.

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Speaker 6: But remember when Elon.

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Speaker 1: Musk said, we gotta bring we gotta support the H

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Speaker 1: B visa program, because we do need to bring in

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Speaker 1: that talent. And Steve Bannon took Elon Musk to task

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Speaker 1: and the President to task and said, the President, you're

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Speaker 1: walking away from what you said you wanted to do

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Speaker 1: for us.

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Speaker 6: What are you saying now?

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Speaker 1: Trump saying we all got the talent sounds on Americans,

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Speaker 1: sounds on patriotic. Why does he hate America? Why does

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Speaker 1: the president hate Americans. I need the president to speak up.

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Speaker 4: Mister President, why.

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Speaker 1: Do you hate hard working Americans in this country?

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Speaker 4: Folks from where I'm from the Midwest?

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Speaker 6: What all mean?

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Speaker 2: And Trump has been briefed on military options for inside Venezuela.

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Speaker 2: That's on top of strikes against what the administration says

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Speaker 2: are boats carrying drugs in the region. Additionally, the Defense

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Speaker 2: Department is using very specific language while talking about this action,

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Speaker 2: which is raising a lot of eyebrows.

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Speaker 8: Put up our full screen on what the H one

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Speaker 8: B visa program actually is. The top applicants come from

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Speaker 8: India and China. It was established in the nineties to

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Speaker 8: encourage talented people from around the world to come here

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Speaker 8: to the United States. You can see the number of

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Speaker 8: new visa sixty five thousand each year. Twenty thousand additional

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Speaker 8: has cross pressures now, Vaughn, which is, yes, he has

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Speaker 8: the nativist wing of his party, but he also has

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Speaker 8: all the tech bros who.

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Speaker 6: Are saying, hey, I need these workers.

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Speaker 3: We're learning that.

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Speaker 9: President Trump just this week was briefed on a range

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Speaker 9: of military options that, as you mentioned, include conducting military

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Speaker 9: strikes inside Venezuela itself. Now, obviously, if the President decides

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Speaker 9: to move forward with an option that includes the military

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Speaker 9: strikes in sid Venezuela, that would be a dramatic escalation

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Speaker 9: of the ongoing military campaign in Latin America. Our understanding

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Speaker 9: is that this stage, Donald Trump has not made a

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Speaker 9: decision though how he intends to proceed. We also know

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Speaker 9: that in the past he has voiced some reservations about

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Speaker 9: conducting strikes with the intention of ousting Venezuelan leader Nicholas Maduro.

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Speaker 9: At the same time, the Trump administration has gone a

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Speaker 9: enemy combatants and terrorists, and those have been the targets

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Speaker 9: of these twenty strikes, these twenty military strikes that we've

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Speaker 9: And we're also learning that behind closed doors, the Pentagon

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Speaker 9: be summarily killed without legal review, and of recent classified briefing,

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Speaker 9: they were using phrases like enemy kia to describe the

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Speaker 9: and as you mentioned, that's really raising some eyebrows with

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Speaker 9: lawmakers who remember that phrase being used repeatedly in the

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Speaker 9: War on Terror to describe those individuals and terrorists described

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Speaker 9: killed in air strikes in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Obviously some

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Speaker 9: lawmakers wary of conducting an operation under a similar pretense,

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Speaker 9: but still that does seem to be the way the

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Speaker 6: This is the primal scream of a dining leg. Pray

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Speaker 6: for our enemies, because we're going to medieval on these people.

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Speaker 6: You've not got a free shot. All these networks lying

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Speaker 6: about the people, the people have had a belly full

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Speaker 6: of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I

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Speaker 6: know you try to do everything in the world to

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Speaker 4: It's going to happen.

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Speaker 5: And where do people like that go to share the

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Speaker 5: big line?

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Speaker 4: Mega media?

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Speaker 2: I wish in my soul I wish that any of

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Speaker 6: Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

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Speaker 10: If that answer is to save my country, this country

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Speaker 10: will be saved.

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Speaker 5: War Room, use your host, Stephen k Man.

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Speaker 10: Friday, fourteen November and the year Earler twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 10: Want to start off by a signal, not noise. Let's

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Speaker 10: go to the Treasury Department. Joe Leroner won the Special

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Speaker 10: Assistance to the Secretary of Treasury. Everything is about We're

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Speaker 10: going to have some folks on later, Raheem Cassam, Roger

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Speaker 10: Kimball to the towering public intellectuals of the MAGA movement

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Speaker 10: to talk about where we are right now as a

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Speaker 10: about our institutions, how we're doing on seizing them, and

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Speaker 10: looking down range to the midterms. But all of this

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Speaker 10: in the year, the Big Beautiful Bill. As Scott Bessett,

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Speaker 10: Secretary Treasury now has set on this show for years.

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Speaker 10: It's the last chance for a supply side tax cut

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Speaker 10: that really focuses on bringing in capital to manufacturing.

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Speaker 6: The entire.

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Speaker 10: Trade policy, commercial relationships with the world. The tariff policy

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Speaker 10: now before the Supreme Court is also based upon bringing

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Speaker 10: manufacturing jobs back here in the United States. The entire

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Speaker 10: thrust of President of Trump's second term is returning America

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Speaker 10: as a manufacturing hegemon. Joe, give us Treasury because every's

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Speaker 10: talking about affordability. Affordability obviously important, but growth, jobs, GDP, growth,

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Speaker 10: all of it's the most important. What's your perspective from Treasury, sir?

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Speaker 6: No, thank you Steve for having me.

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Speaker 11: You know, you let you had a perfect lead in

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Speaker 11: because what you want to do is create a supply

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Speaker 11: side productivity boom.

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Speaker 4: And because that does a few things.

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Speaker 11: Which address head on the affordability issue, which number one

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Speaker 11: is if you get a productivity led supply side boom,

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Speaker 11: factories which is going to be for the next three

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Speaker 11: that investment becomes encouraged is rising productivity. When you have

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Speaker 11: rising productivity, profits go up, won't We learned from the

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Speaker 11: first Trump administration and from the Reagan era is that

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Speaker 11: when you have that capex boom occur, you get rising wages.

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Speaker 11: So nominal wages are going to surge as they were

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Speaker 11: surging this year, and as they surge under Trump's president.

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Speaker 4: So you get a supply.

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Speaker 11: Side cap bax dis inflationary boom. That's the key part.

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Speaker 11: That's how you're going to improve affordability. Your workers are

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Speaker 11: going to get paid more nominally because of higher productivity,

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Speaker 6: Workers.

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Speaker 11: After tax wages are going to surge next year because

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Speaker 11: of the One Big Beautiful Bill, which has substantial tax.

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Speaker 6: Cuts for middle and lower income households.

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Speaker 11: Upwards of two hundred billion dollars in tax refunds is

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Speaker 5: That's going to make things more affordable.

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Speaker 4: It's great, It's just absolutely great news.

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Speaker 6: See I don't think people. And my strongest recommendation is

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Speaker 6: treasure ought to be out just banging on this every day.

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Speaker 10: Like, for instance, the tax refunds that are happen around

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Speaker 11: And this was and I give President Trump, with obviously

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Speaker 11: past fall, the IRS wrote the guidelines for who is

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Speaker 11: responsible for getting these no tax on tips And it's

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Speaker 11: really twenty first century stuff. So it's not just hardworking

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Speaker 11: but it refers to podcasters, social influencers.

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Speaker 11: Jobs that have been created, they are not going to

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Speaker 11: be paying tax on their tips effectively. Additionally, over time,

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Speaker 11: you talk about a reindustrial manufacturing boom, Why are we

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Speaker 11: taxing that extra marginal dollar that people want to work

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Speaker 11: for overtime? So when you add this all up, are

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Speaker 11: many private sector estimates that say we could have upwards

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Speaker 11: who are going to benefit from this clearly have you know,

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Speaker 11: they didn't know the guidelines, they weren't sure the rules.

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Speaker 11: But now that it's in place, they're going to get

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Speaker 11: a big refund when they file their taxes next year.

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Speaker 11: Then they'll change their withholding. But we're talking potentially seven

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Speaker 11: tenths a GDP just from this one policy alone and

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Speaker 11: against Steve As you know, that's money that goes directly

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Speaker 10: Now, both the supply side, tax cut on the on

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Speaker 10: the capital expensing that drives investment in plant and equipment

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Speaker 10: to return this to be a manufacturing superpower with all

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Speaker 10: those high value added jobs, good paying jobs that then

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Speaker 10: drive in communities, all the services, the coffee shop, the

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Speaker 10: gifts for the children, sporting goods, all of it, the

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Speaker 10: real estate prices. Then in addition, you have your the

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Speaker 10: commercial relationships in which President Trump is redoing all the

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Speaker 10: commercial relationships around the world world to make sure that

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Speaker 10: Should consider it. The evidence that backs up. No, it's

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Speaker 10: not Israel. First, it's a joke. And for Corerent quotes,

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Speaker 10: who I think is done as a brick, I thought

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Speaker 10: she was done as a brick in the first thing.

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Speaker 6: She just ted Cruz is lackey.

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Speaker 10: So raheem your thoughts on Roger Kimball in his piece today.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, you know, Roger is a very kind person,

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Speaker 5: and Roger is also far more polite than I am.

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Speaker 5: I have had my times going to war with Heritage

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Speaker 5: over the last decade or so. Specifically, I think they

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Speaker 5: actually refused to allow me in the building for reporting

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Speaker 5: on the fact that they were taking a lot of

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Speaker 5: money from the big tech firms some years ago. So

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Speaker 5: I have long standing animosity. But on the other hand,

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Speaker 5: as people know, you know, I was a vocal supporter

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Speaker 5: of their Project twenty twenty five effort. I'm a vocal

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Speaker 5: supporter of Paul Dan's and the effort he is currently

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Speaker 5: undertaking in South Carolina, by the way, and everybody should

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Speaker 5: get behind him there against Lady Lindsey. So you know,

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Speaker 5: swings and roundabouts for me, on Heritage right now. The

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Speaker 5: underlying part of this for me which I cannot stand.

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Speaker 5: You know, I was walking by their building the day

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Speaker 5: before yesterday, and there are leftists just clad like homeless people,

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Speaker 5: shouting through megaphones at anybody that they perceive to be

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Speaker 5: a heritage staff or a heritage visitor, or a heritage guest,

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Speaker 5: or somebody who's in the neighborhood who happens to be

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Speaker 5: a Conservative. And I look at that happening on their doorstep,

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Speaker 5: and I look at the way that they allow their

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Speaker 5: staff to be under siege, and allow anybody who is

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Speaker 5: a conservative in the neighborhood to be under siege. We

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Speaker 5: know who these people are, we know who these protesters are,

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Speaker 5: we know who's paying them, and yet we spend all

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Speaker 5: of this time doing war, forcing the president of the

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Speaker 5: organization to look down the barrel of a camera and

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Speaker 5: a tone for a sin that he never committed in

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Speaker 5: the first instance. This is the remarkable thing about the

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Speaker 5: Conservative Incorporated movement that you and I and Roger and

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Speaker 5: so many others we have witnessed first hand. You guys,

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Speaker 5: unfortunately for a little longer than I have, but I

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Speaker 5: have been there with you as long as I could

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Speaker 5: have been, is that we'll never miss an opportunity to

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Speaker 5: see ourselves in the book. And they're doing it again.

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Speaker 10: Hey, Rahim, hang on, Roger hang on, or take a

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Speaker 10: short commercial break, Okay, Roger Kimball, Raheem Cassam on Conservative Inc.

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Speaker 6: The GOP, MAGA, President Trump, all of it.

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Speaker 12: Next in the war room, here's your host.

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Speaker 4: Stephen k Ba.

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Speaker 6: Roger Kimball done.

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Speaker 10: One of the things this shows is that as much

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Speaker 10: as the mega movement we've brought new voters in, we've

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Speaker 10: turned this to a working class, working class party, middle

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Speaker 10: class party from the country club established right it was,

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Speaker 10: but that when you really look on Capitol Hill, there's

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Speaker 10: really just a couple. I mean, they fear Trump and

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Speaker 10: they'll caltaut or Trump like Lindsay Graham ll caltaut or

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Speaker 10: Trump to get the endorsement. But he's the farthest thing

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Speaker 10: from MAGA. He's a neoliberal neocon to the ultimate extent.

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Speaker 10: So that when you really look at people up here

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Speaker 10: that are elected, you have very few.

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Speaker 6: The RNC is not mag at all.

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Speaker 10: I mean it's a little more when Laura Trump is

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Speaker 10: on top of things, but Wattley's not MAGA and one

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Speaker 10: of the reasons he's running so poorly in North Carolina.

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Speaker 10: If you talk to the Magna folks down there, they're

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Speaker 10: not They're just not enthusiastic about it. And uh, you know,

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Speaker 10: you do have these new institutions. Kevin Robertson is trying

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Speaker 10: to change heritage. He tried to do it in twenty

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Speaker 10: twenty five in the years in the Wilderness. The reason

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Speaker 10: they hate him is because of that. But conservative inc

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Speaker 10: in the Republican donor establishment, I think we're going to

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Speaker 10: revert back to neoliberal Neo Cohn the Daily Telegraph and

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Speaker 10: Robert Criley, who's one of the best reporters in DC.

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Speaker 10: He's a brit who cover used to be the Daily Mails.

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Speaker 10: Now at the Daily Telegraph, he had a brilliant piece.

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Speaker 10: Ted Cruz kicked off his campaign a couple of weeks

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Speaker 10: ago because he goes to our JC. He's going to

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Speaker 10: get all the big Jewish donors in back of him.

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Speaker 10: He's going to run his israel First candidate, Mike Pence

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Speaker 10: is kicking tires all the Republican establishment. You know, Little Marco.

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Speaker 10: We got this situation in Venezuela that you know, everybody's

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Speaker 10: trying to figure out exactly what we're doing. But the

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Speaker 10: reality is they hate Trump, they hate MAGA, they hate populism,

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Speaker 10: they hate economic nationalism, they hate every.

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Speaker 6: Aspect of it.

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Speaker 10: They'll give us a few things in the cultural side

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Speaker 10: and Patrick on the head, and they love the fact

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Speaker 10: that you bring out working class voters that they can

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Speaker 10: never get to.

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Speaker 6: But they they would rather, as they've.

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Speaker 10: Done for years, they would rather be in the minority

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Speaker 10: where they're feeding off the carcass in the managed decline

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Speaker 10: of the country than to fight. These people don't want

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Speaker 10: to fight. They don't want to be turfed out of

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Speaker 10: their private clubs. They don't want to be not accepted

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Speaker 10: to the literary societies they belong to.

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Speaker 6: Uh, they don't.

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Speaker 10: They don't want to be kicked out of the kids,

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Speaker 10: to be kicked out of the whiff and poofs at Yale.

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Speaker 6: It's all of it, sir.

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Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, Well I think a little more highly of

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Speaker 7: Ted Cruz than you do.

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Speaker 4: But I believe that to one side.

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Speaker 8: Uh.

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Speaker 7: And Marco Marc has been you know, he has surprised me.

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Speaker 7: I think he's been He's been a good Trump.

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Speaker 10: All I'm saying about Ted Cruz, Whether you think Ted

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Speaker 10: Cruise is great because the constitutional conservative guys, Ted Cruz

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Speaker 10: is non magot. Ted Cruz never lifted a finger on

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Speaker 10: the invotionon of the southern border.

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Speaker 11: All.

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Speaker 10: My point is he's a classic, he's a classic Republican.

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Speaker 10: But he's already started his twenty eight campaign because they

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Speaker 10: know that hey, once Trump's gone, you know, and the Roger.

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Speaker 6: Kimball's and the Steve Bannon, this is all, this is

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Speaker 6: all just all floats them and jetsam Yeah, go ahead.

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Speaker 7: So yeah, I was talking to I was talking to

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Speaker 7: someone else recently. I don't think that's going to happen myself,

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Speaker 7: Ted Cruz in twenty eight. But I think it's going

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Speaker 7: to be JD Vance or possibly Marco myself. I prefer

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Speaker 7: j D. But we'll see. It's it's it's that's a law.

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Speaker 7: And you know, Harold Wilson said, a week is a

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Speaker 7: long time in politics, and in three years is an eternity.

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Speaker 10: So a lot about about about twenty eight. First off,

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Speaker 10: we have to get by twenty six, which Raheem's going

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Speaker 10: to get on this. Yes, But however, I will tell

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Speaker 10: anybody in that administration j D. Marco if you're not

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Speaker 10: if you're not blowing the Tech Bros right now. They're

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Speaker 10: owned by the Tech Bros. They're owned by the Brologarks

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Speaker 10: and owned by David Saxson. This crowd, the big fight

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Speaker 10: coming for for MAGA is not really conservative in because

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Speaker 10: they're not as part they were. But the Tech bros are.

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Speaker 10: They believe they're dominant. They believe they're taking over the

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Speaker 10: Moha movement. They're taken over the Maga movement. They got

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Speaker 10: guys this guy Isaagman whoever at the White House, and

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Speaker 10: I know who you are. They got Isaacman back in

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Speaker 10: his head of NASA, right who's just going to give

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Speaker 10: contrast to Elon. That whole game of the Tech Bros

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Speaker 10: is going to come to crashing down in an end. Okay,

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Speaker 10: it's going to be brutal, but it's got to be done.

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Speaker 10: We cannot allow these guys who are all progressive Democrats.

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Speaker 10: They're all progressive Democrats hiding. They're the wolves in sheep's clothing.

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Speaker 10: So and if you're in the White House not standing

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Speaker 10: up to it, then you're part of the problem.

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Speaker 6: And that's all going to get exposed.

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Speaker 10: But do you do agree that the conservative ink that

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Speaker 10: you talk about, it's a long way from dead. They

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Speaker 10: just think we're passing summer storm.

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Speaker 7: That's right, well, that they are hoping to wait Trump out.

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Speaker 7: But three and a half years or a little less

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Speaker 7: than that, now, that's a long time. And the I

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Speaker 7: think everyone is even I was a star abished it

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Speaker 7: the alacrity with which Trump has moved. I mean, he's

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Speaker 7: been a positive whirlwind of activity, and he's gotten, you know,

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Speaker 7: a lot done.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot more to do. People are very impatient.

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Speaker 7: Why, you know, why hasn't this person been indicted or

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Speaker 7: why hasn't this this promise been fulfilled? But Trump has

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Speaker 7: actually fulfilled a lot of promises. And you know, people say, well,

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Speaker 7: if you get seventy percent of what you want, you

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Speaker 7: should be happy. I think we're batting a little higher

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Speaker 7: than that. And you know, one of the things I

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Speaker 7: worry about, frankly is internacine squabbling. I think that for

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Speaker 7: us to continue to win, we need as far as

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Speaker 7: possible to be able to stick together.

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Speaker 4: We're not going to agree on every issue, but you.

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Speaker 7: Know, we we we need each other and those people

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Speaker 7: who are on who are on our side, and I

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Speaker 7: think we want to have a you know, pretty pretty

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Speaker 7: big tent is as far as can and I'm you know,

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Speaker 7: I'm cautiously optimistic, but I'm it wasn't just Heritage. By

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Speaker 7: the way, there was a very similar that this event

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Speaker 7: happened at the Intercollegiate Studies Institute a couple of days ago,

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Speaker 7: when they're chairman of the board and I think president

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Speaker 7: or some other board member suddenly resigned, saying, this is terrible.

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Speaker 7: They let in all of these these post liberal people

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Speaker 7: who are people like Steve Benn and that they're listening

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Speaker 7: to Curtis Yarvin, that's terrible. We have to we have

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Speaker 7: to kick the current president out and start over again.

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Speaker 7: I wonder whether was that an accident that had happened

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Speaker 7: just days after the Heritage blow up, or was it

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Speaker 7: somehow coordinated.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 7: Was it the invisible hand of the zeitgeist moving so

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Speaker 7: that the people who are on the board at the

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Speaker 7: Intercollegiate Studies Institute somehow felt moved to to uh make

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Speaker 7: these objections. I don't know the answer to that, but

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Speaker 7: I think it's it's kind of a bad sign. I

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Speaker 7: think we should, in so far as it's possible, you know,

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Speaker 7: stick together, and we're going to We're going to have

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Speaker 7: a lot of battles in front in front of us

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Speaker 7: to maintain. Uh, let's not even call it the Trump agendas.

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Speaker 7: You know, let's make the make America Great Again agenda.

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Speaker 6: What is Trump agenda? Anyway? Roger?

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Speaker 10: Where can people get you social media? You know, the

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Speaker 10: Young Criterion, at the books, Yeah at.

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Speaker 7: Yeah at at Roger Kimball dot com. I think I

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Speaker 7: said to you the last time we spoke, I'm just

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Speaker 7: about to start a sub stack column.

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Speaker 4: So wow, shortly you'll be able to see that too.

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Speaker 4: That'll be cool.

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Speaker 10: The day you launch your substack. We want to have here,

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Speaker 10: we want to drive a bunch of traffic to it.

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Speaker 10: We think substack is fantastic.

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Speaker 6: There you do it.

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Speaker 4: Let us know.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, Rahim Casam your thoughts.

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Speaker 5: I have a sub stack. Also, don't use it as

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Speaker 5: much as I'm sure Roger will.

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Speaker 10: He's no, I don'tways supposed to be driving. It's always

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Speaker 10: sposed to be driving traffic to National Pulse. National poles

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Speaker 10: are still on the best right, He's out there.

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Speaker 5: It's all part of the same system. Wherever, wherever you

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Speaker 5: sign up to your rhem Kassan content, you'll get all

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Speaker 5: of it, whether you want it or not. The National

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Speaker 5: Pulse doc and so forth. Yep, now listen, so seriously.

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Speaker 5: The funny thing about all of this as it occurs

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Speaker 5: to me and listening to Roger and he's such a gentleman,

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Speaker 5: but and and so are you. Actually people don't realize

659
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Speaker 5: this about you. I'm I'm I'm kind of far more

660
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Speaker 5: of a thug than you are. And I'll just I'll

661
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Speaker 5: say it out right. You know, the thing about this

662
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 5: movement is so many people just don't even like each other.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I can count on kind of one hand

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Speaker 5: how many people I actually enjoy spending time within this movement.

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Speaker 5: But we we park our differences and we've put them

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Speaker 5: aside for the greater good. And it really sticks in

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Speaker 5: my crawl when when these old, stuffy, fusty con inc

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Speaker 5: people who you know lost, they lost. Let me talk

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Speaker 5: to them. You lost, You lost really bad. In fact,

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Speaker 5: you lost with seventeen candidates on that stage. You lost

671
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 5: over and over again. You lost when you sided with

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Speaker 5: the Democrats trying to get rid of Trump and trying

673
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 5: to stop MAGA. You lost when you were trying to

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Speaker 5: perpetuate the Russia hopes. You lost after JA six, when

675
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Speaker 5: you were writing columns in CNN talking about how Trump

676
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,439
Speaker 5: needed to be removed from office immediately. You lost when

677
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 5: you're back Mike Pence for the fiftieth time. You know,

678
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 5: all of these things happened over and over again, and

679
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 5: some of these people are just deciding in their late

680
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 5: seventies and early eighties to take another run at stopping

681
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Speaker 5: the MAGA movement in its tracks, and they will use

682
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Speaker 5: whatever they can do. And you know, credit to people

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Speaker 5: like Nick Fuentes, because he's kind of a nobody from

684
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 5: nowhere who's come along and has had this entire movement

685
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Speaker 5: up in arms talking about him and worrying about him.

686
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Speaker 5: And he's just this kind of performative theater guy who

687
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Speaker 5: says stupid things are on air for clicks, and he

688
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 5: gets the attention of these people and they go, oh,

689
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Speaker 5: my goodness, isn't this crazy that somebody might interview him

690
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 5: and talk to him and whatever? And it just absolute nonsense.

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Speaker 5: And actually I will say this as well, Robert Draper,

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Speaker 5: somebody one of the very few people in this town

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Speaker 5: who I can bear to spend time with. Over at

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Speaker 5: the New York Times, a very interesting profile piece about

695
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 5: Nick Foyentes a couple of months ago, so you know,

696
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 5: if you want to control the narrative, if you want

697
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 5: to control where politics goes, if you want to control

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Speaker 5: the culture, then it is incumbent upon you to be interesting,

699
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 5: to be a leader, to be thoughtful, to challenge the

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Speaker 5: status quo. And the problem these capital will have and

701
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 5: have always had, is that they are vacuous. They are

702
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 5: vacuous people. They are devoid of ideas and they deserve

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Speaker 5: the irrelevance in history that they are soon to find

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Speaker 5: themselves with.

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Speaker 10: You know, Raheem, In the first couple of years we

706
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Speaker 10: worked with each other, you were very much about Bregsit.

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Speaker 10: You talked about breaks at Niger, talked about Breggs that

708
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 10: you guys pulled it off. It was an enormous You

709
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,720
Speaker 10: were a critical factor here in the rise of MAGA

710
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Speaker 10: in this country, kind of from the Tea party.

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Speaker 6: But I say about a few.

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Speaker 10: If you want to see the new verses old and

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Speaker 10: you just see the facts is watch and I should

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Speaker 10: play it here on war we got to figure out

715
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Speaker 10: when I played in the six o'clock hour, Alex Jones

716
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Speaker 10: had a debate with Nick Fientte's and deniesh de Suzo

717
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Speaker 10: and you cannot you see right there. The laziness, the

718
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Speaker 10: lack of argument, the just the their attitude that they

719
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Speaker 10: just own this Fuentas takes this guy apart, brick by brick.

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Speaker 10: It's a full takedown. It's a full takedown. Because the

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Speaker 10: kid shows up, he's prepped, he's ready. Now is he

722
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Speaker 10: on point? And he's always on attack. He happens to

723
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Speaker 10: have something called facts and he just overwhelms. Denesh goes

724
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Speaker 10: back and it shows you this old guard who has nothing.

725
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Speaker 10: None of their policies have worked. If the policies had worked,

726
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Speaker 10: why don't we have so much why do we have

727
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Speaker 10: so much debt that's out of control?

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Speaker 6: And they were part of the problem.

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Speaker 10: Why we spread off a hell's half acre and spent

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Speaker 10: nine trillion dollars in Iraq and Afghanistan while we had

731
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Speaker 10: a foreign policy and a commercial policy that allowed and

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Speaker 10: paid for the rise of China.

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Speaker 6: They were all part of that.

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Speaker 10: They said, that's not just democrats, it's the uniparty and

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Speaker 10: conservative inc is kind of the clapping seals of the uniparty.

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Speaker 10: They did nothing, They had no fight, They never fought back.

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Speaker 10: You go back to that stage where Raheem said at

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Speaker 10: the beginning of the sixteen or seventeen candidates they had

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Speaker 10: up there against Trump.

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Speaker 6: None of those.

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Speaker 10: You could combine all that and they couldn't beaten Hillary Clinton.

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Speaker 10: Their arguments are vacuous. It's really from a land that

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Speaker 10: time forgot. These are the problems in New Jersey. In

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Speaker 10: Youngkin's campaign for seers in Virginia and the Commonwealth, and

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Speaker 10: the governor's race in New Jersey. They're running on a

746
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Speaker 10: playbook that's nineteen nineties. It doesn't work anymore. The world

747
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Speaker 10: has changed because they allowed it to change against America

748
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Speaker 10: and American workers. Remember h one B's all this everything we.

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Speaker 4: Have up here.

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Speaker 10: We had Natalie up last night about all the research

751
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Speaker 10: is still being paid for by the United States and China.

752
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Speaker 10: The Republicans know all that, and they're good with it.

753
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Speaker 10: Conservative Ink's good with it. They might write an editorial

754
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Speaker 10: on the Wall Street Journal, but that our talk about

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Speaker 10: it in some salon on the Upper East Side of

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Speaker 10: New York.

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Speaker 6: But that's all they're gonna do. They're going to chitchat

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Speaker 6: about it.

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Speaker 10: Raheem, can you stick around for the next block, brother,

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Speaker 10: the chors I want to get into very specifically.

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Speaker 6: This piece that you wrote is a warning and remember,

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Speaker 6: we need a.

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Speaker 10: Mid course guidance here to get focused in the double

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Speaker 10: down as we started with Treasured Day, Joe Lavornier. President

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Speaker 10: Trump has done the hard work to date to make

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Speaker 10: possible to return America to be a manufacturing superpower with

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Speaker 10: high paying, high value added jobs and economic growth. You

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Speaker 10: just got to see it through. You've got to hunker down.

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Speaker 10: We have to finish what we started. If we do that,

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Speaker 10: it's all going to be fine. Raheem Cassam's with us

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Speaker 10: from the Daily, Paul from the National polse excuse me,

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Speaker 10: it is Daily, but it's also National Short break Back.

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Speaker 12: In a moment, excuse your host.

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Speaker 10: Stephen came there, Raheem. He wrote this amazing piece over

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Speaker 10: National Pulse. Walkers throward, Sir.

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Speaker 5: Steve. So yeah, let me let me conclude on the

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Speaker 5: last segment as well for people based on what we

778
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Speaker 5: were saying, because you know, I don't want people getting

779
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Speaker 5: the wrong idea either. You know, all of this, all

780
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Speaker 5: of this performative Nazi and neo Nazi stuff that these

781
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Speaker 5: guys are doing online, Like obviously we don't care about that.

782
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Speaker 5: But here's the thing, and we know this because we

783
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Speaker 5: were the guys once and still are really that would

784
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Speaker 5: decried as the fascists and the extremists and the crazies

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Speaker 5: and the nut jobs, and you know whatever is that

786
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Speaker 5: there's a reason that people And you know, I'm aware

787
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Speaker 5: that people are put off by a lot of the

788
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 5: performative elements of this stuff. I am too, and by

789
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Speaker 5: the same with Tucker, by the way, a lot of

790
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 5: the stuff that is purely performative, and he goes, oh,

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Speaker 5: I never knew about that, and you know he knows

792
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Speaker 5: about it, and they go, you know, that's their little stick.

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Speaker 5: You've got to look past the stick, and you've got

794
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Speaker 5: to understand why these people have the audiences they have,

795
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Speaker 5: and that's because there are still so many people out

796
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Speaker 5: there who are left behind, who are feeling more left

797
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 5: behind than ever. And that brings me on to my

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Speaker 5: piece because we are now a decade in to this

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Speaker 5: populist nationalist project proper right, the things, the balls that

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Speaker 5: we started rolling back in twenty twelve and twenty thirteen

801
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Speaker 5: through you know, from your side of the pond here

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Speaker 5: Steve to mine over in the United Kingdom, when we

803
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Speaker 5: went around to the little town Horse and the little

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Speaker 5: seaside towns all across the United Kingdom, and we looked

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00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 5: at what people were going through, and we talked and

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Speaker 5: to understand, not to talk to create content, but to

807
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Speaker 5: actually understand and to create a policy platform based on

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Speaker 5: the struggles of these ordinary people's lives. And not just

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Speaker 5: ordinary people, right, but people whose families and whose grandparents

810
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Speaker 5: and great grandparents and great great grandparents, and whose entire

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Speaker 5: family lineages have been sacrificed day upon day, whether it's

812
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Speaker 5: in the minds, whether it's in the wars, you know,

813
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Speaker 5: wherever it was and whenever it was, that have created

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Speaker 5: the world that we live in today and that we

815
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Speaker 5: take for granted every day. And what happened was we

816
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Speaker 5: saw that they had been shunned, disparaged, spat upon by

817
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Speaker 5: an establishment who said, yeah, thanks, we'll take it from here.

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Speaker 5: You know, thanks for all the hard work of your bloodline,

819
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Speaker 5: but we'll take it from here. We got this now.

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Speaker 5: We don't need you, you know, retire out to your

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Speaker 5: little terrace somewhere off, you know, in some Newcastle suburb.

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Speaker 5: We don't need you. And along with the information age

823
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Speaker 5: came this ability for people like you and I and

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Speaker 5: for those to engage with those people. We did it

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Speaker 5: every single morning. Remember for three hours on the old

826
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Speaker 5: Bright Bart news radio show, where we had a cross

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Speaker 5: section of society, cross section of America calling in, and

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Speaker 5: they still remember it off the top of my head

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Speaker 5: line one lew in Connecticut, Line two, Vinie New York,

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Speaker 5: line three, Marie Anne in Delaware. You know all of

831
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Speaker 5: these people and they stick in your mind. And there's

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Speaker 5: a reason they do, because they told us the ordinary

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Speaker 5: stories of their ordinary lives and how much trouble they

834
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Speaker 5: were being put in because of the fecklessness and the carelessness,

835
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Speaker 5: the wastefulness of the people who were supposed to be

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Speaker 5: not just their elected representatives, but their leaders too. The people,

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Speaker 5: whether they will admit it openly or not, want leadership.

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Speaker 5: And as we walk and stagger in to the midterms

839
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Speaker 5: next year, I am afraid that we are lacking in

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Speaker 5: this leadership. Now. Well, there is leadership in America in fact,

841
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 5: but that leadership is coming from a corporate class that

842
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 5: have managed to capture so much of what I call

843
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Speaker 5: MAGA inc. Now, people who are not involved in this movement,

844
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Speaker 5: who weren't there, by the way, when we were in

845
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Speaker 5: twenty thirteen and fourteen building this thing from the ground up.

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Speaker 5: Let alone twenty sixteen. Right, let alone the Brexit movement.

847
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Speaker 5: Let alone going through what you went through. Let alone

848
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 5: people who have not been you know, they've not been

849
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Speaker 5: persecuted for what they've done and what they've believed. But

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Speaker 5: they're here now, and what are they doing with the

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Speaker 5: power that they have. Whether they're working in the administration

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Speaker 5: or whether the consultants or whatever it is, they are

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Speaker 5: just making mula. They're just in it for the big bucks.

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Speaker 5: And believe me, the bucks are big.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 5: Every single day on Capitol Hill, I go through several

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Speaker 5: different phone calls of people just trying to throw cash around. Oh,

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Speaker 5: we need the support for this, you know, we're trying

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Speaker 5: to stop the antitrust people at the DOJ from looking

860
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 5: into this, that, and the other. And they take the

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Speaker 5: cash and they run, and they run for the movement.

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Speaker 5: They sell out the people who started this movement. And

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Speaker 5: I'm not talking about you and I here, I'm talking

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Speaker 5: about ordinary people again, right, who really started this movement.

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Speaker 5: They are really the true inheritance of the make America

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Speaker 5: Great Again, of the America First movement. And so I

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Speaker 5: started to talk in the last couple of days to

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Speaker 5: friends of mine back in Europe, and I said, look,

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Speaker 5: we know we went through twenty sixteen together, coming on

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Speaker 5: to a decade of this. Are you watching the mid terms?

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Speaker 5: And I think I spoke to like fifteen sixteen people

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Speaker 5: at length about this, you know, political practitioners, reporters, smart

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Speaker 5: people who have been there a long time, who I've

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Speaker 5: known for a decade plus, and almost every single one

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Speaker 5: of them, I think only one of them told me

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Speaker 5: and not really, I'm not really concerned about this. Almost

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Speaker 5: to a man, every single one of them said, hey, listen,

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Speaker 5: as goes America next year, as goes the MAGA movement,

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Speaker 5: as goes to the Republican Party's successes or failures in

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Speaker 5: the midterms, so goes Europe. You know, when I've spoke

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Speaker 5: to people from France, I spoke to people from Hungary,

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Speaker 5: I spoke to people from Italy, I spoke to people

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Speaker 5: from the United Kingdom, all across the continent, they all

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Speaker 5: said the same thing is, we are very worried that

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Speaker 5: you guys are sleepwalking into a shellacking, and that as

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Speaker 5: twenty sixteen, maybe he began with Brexit, you know, in

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Speaker 5: a pure sense, in a pure electoral sense, with Brexit,

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Speaker 5: and then over and you got the Trump wave over here,

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Speaker 5: they're now worried about it bouncing back over in a

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Speaker 5: negative sense. And the problem with it is that whether

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Speaker 5: it's the fifty year mortgages or the two thousand dollars checks,

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Speaker 5: or or the bankers, or the bank bosses or the

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Speaker 5: big farmer bosses hanging out in the Oval office, people

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Speaker 5: just don't feel like that we're walking into next year

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Speaker 5: in a position of strength. And I happen to agree

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Speaker 5: with them. People who have followed us for a long

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Speaker 5: time and have followed my work for a long time

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Speaker 5: will probably realize much, perhaps to Roger kimball chagrin, is

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Speaker 5: that I actually do like Internissian warfare. I actually shine

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Speaker 5: when it comes to pointing a light on our side

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Speaker 5: and saying we're getting this rock, we're getting this wrong.

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Speaker 5: We need to smart en up, we need to sharpen

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Speaker 5: up on these things. And that's where we are now.

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Speaker 5: I rarely make an appearance on this show anymore for

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Speaker 5: a very good reason is because I am particularly focused

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Speaker 5: on what we're doing wrong. Everybody can criticize the it's

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Speaker 5: very easy. They make it easy for us, and we

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Speaker 5: take the fight to them every single day. But the

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Speaker 5: fight against the negative elements and the nefarious elements on

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Speaker 5: our side is something that I will always be proud

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Speaker 5: to fly the fly for. And this is what this

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Speaker 5: piece is really about. They have almost taken over the

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Speaker 5: whole thing, and it is upon us to grasp it back,

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Speaker 5: to wrestle it back and push it. Otherwise we're going

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Speaker 5: to get killed next year.

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Speaker 10: Raheem social media where do people go to National Pulse,

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Speaker 10: your substack, all your social media. So we're pushing this

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Speaker 10: article out hard today from the National Pulse.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, everything is at Raheem Cassam on social media. I

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Speaker 5: have a new YouTube channel as well. You can find

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Speaker 5: it there's the substack and the National Polse dot com.

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Speaker 5: We are one hundred percent member funded. Nine bucks a

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Speaker 5: month is all we asked to support our work to

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Speaker 5: reach people with this message. The National Pulse dot com

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Speaker 5: forward slash warrm. The National Pulse dot com forward slash

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Speaker 5: warrum is where you go