1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stupidity, home of the greatest media mind ever 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: to walk the planet. 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 2: Okay, sure, here's a deal. 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 3: He's a true icon in every sense of the word. 5 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: He's loved and feared more than any being to Grace's planet. 6 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: There got hey, I'm mad with a voice that sounds 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: like very white, and. 8 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 2: Be got to say, hey, let's do it, baby. You 9 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 2: ain't gage. 10 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: You God himself would pay thirty nine ninety nine for 11 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: a cameo. Fact of the matter is, you are about 12 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: to embark on a transcendent experience that can only be 13 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 1: described as psychological nudity. 14 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 3: This is stu Box and this is Stupidity. Here we go, Jim. 15 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 2: Holding, welcome me into another episode of Stupotty, the biggest 16 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,959 Speaker 2: podcast in the world thanks to you. Please subscribe rate 17 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 2: we'll review unsubscribed, resubscribe re rpe re review. By doing that, 18 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 2: you have made us the biggest podcast on the planet. Amazing, 19 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 2: Thank you, Bigger than Oprah for two weeks. Anyway, we're 20 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 2: gonna have out Brian Hawk. He's an author of an 21 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 2: Arab judge book. The only reason we had him on 22 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 2: was because mikey A wanted him on. Billy is still 23 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 2: on porternity leave. I'm thinking about having a kid, so 24 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 2: I too could take three weeks off. 25 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:22,199 Speaker 4: It's amazing. God, bless Billy. 26 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 5: You want to have a kid for three weeks off? 27 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 5: Don't you take three weeks off to go see the Dead? 28 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 5: The Dead Show. 29 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 2: I haven't been in our studio in two weeks, I mean, 30 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 2: and after this week I'm in Lake Tahoe right now, 31 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 2: it will be three weeks and I don't have to 32 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 2: deal with any kid. 33 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 4: So what am I talking about? 34 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 3: Billy needs a kid to take three weeks off? You 35 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 3: just need a tour date. 36 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 4: The Gorge, Oh, the Gorge. Listen. 37 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 2: I'm having a better two weeks than Jim Nanced. You 38 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 2: know that swing he does from the NCAA Tournament to 39 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 2: the Masters. 40 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 3: Uh huh, Yeah, I have gone. 41 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 2: I have come from the Gorge to Lake Tahoe. I 42 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 2: will spend a week in Lake Tahoe with Mike Ryan 43 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,959 Speaker 2: and Jeremy Tesche and some other folks from Metal Arc Media. 44 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 2: We'll get to Tahoe in a second, okay, And then 45 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 2: when I'm done with Lake Tahoe and done caddying for 46 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 2: Golick on Friday, I will head to San Francisco for 47 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 2: the final three dead shows. That is a better run 48 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 2: than Nancy's run from the NCAA Tournament to. 49 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 4: Augusta, at least for me. I mean, it's one for 50 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 4: the ages. 51 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 3: Mikey listen, that's awesome to look. They even put you 52 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 3: up in a nice Airbnb. 53 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 4: It looks like it's a hotel room. 54 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 5: No it's not, I swear, No, it's you have a 55 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 5: stone fireplace behind you. 56 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 4: There's a matchlesh. I have two fireplaces. 57 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not a hotel room. 58 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 2: It's I have one in the living room, one of 59 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,519 Speaker 2: the bedroom. Metal Ark Media did well by me, Mike. 60 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 2: I am in this room. It's a five bedroom hotel room. 61 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 2: It's not five bedrooms, but it has like five rooms. Okay, 62 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 2: it's like the size of a house. Okay, it is 63 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 2: so nice. I know where Mike and Jeremy are staying. 64 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 2: I'm embarrassed to bring them down to where I'm staying 65 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 2: because I don't want them to see. 66 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 4: I gotta be honest with you. Okay, are they still rank? 67 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 5: Are they staying at a hostel like thirty miles away. 68 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 5: I'm having trouble understanding that that is a hotel room 69 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:33,119 Speaker 5: because you're speakless. You are got shelves with more decoration 70 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 5: than people who have lived in the same house for 71 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 5: like twenty years. 72 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 4: Here's how nice it is. 73 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 2: Okay, between you and I, I had to kick someone 74 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 2: off my front lawn. 75 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 3: Why do you have a lawn and why would you 76 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 3: kick football? 77 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 4: It leads right out to a beach that leads right 78 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 4: out to Lake Tahoe. 79 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 3: I couldn't be I couldn't be more pissed you right now? 80 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 5: Why because some of us are having absolutely Like Okay, 81 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 5: yesterday I got to drive home from North Carolina. It's 82 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 5: a nine hour drive with two kids and my wife. Okay, 83 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 5: three and a half out. We left at four in 84 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 5: the morning. Three and a half hours into it, I 85 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 5: got rear ended at a red light, like a dead 86 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 5: red light. I was stopped for like thirty seconds, and 87 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 5: when I pulled over, the guy got out of his 88 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 5: car and all I could smell I got punched in 89 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 5: the face with the smell of weed and his and 90 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 5: he dropped this on me. My bad, like he rammed 91 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 5: into my car, had dropped a. 92 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 2: The acknowledge it was his fault. At least he acknowledge 93 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 2: it was his fault. That's nice of him. He was stoned. 94 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 5: I mean, so here's the best part. He has to 95 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 5: FaceTime his mom because he can't find any of the stuff. 96 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 5: I can't imagine why it looked like the Scooby Doo 97 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 5: van with the smoke pouring out of the car. 98 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 2: And so he has one of those cars where when 99 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 2: you open the glovebox, Mike, he opened the glove box, 100 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 2: there's no registration, there's no insurance, there's no forms. 101 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 4: Of ID all there is, there's. 102 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 3: Used lighters. 103 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 4: I'm familiar with that car. Anyway, go ahead. 104 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 5: So he facetimes his mom and she go He says, Mom, 105 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 5: I was in an accident, and she goes, are you okay, 106 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 5: and he says yes, and she said what happened? 107 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 3: And his face just fell and he let out this 108 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 3: big sigh and he goes, I was being irresponsible and 109 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 3: I was on my phone. 110 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 5: And she just starts yelling at him for like ten 111 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 5: minutes that it's at this accident scene, and she's like, 112 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 5: put him on the phone meeting me. So she hands 113 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 5: me the phone and she's facetiming me, yelling about how 114 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 5: stupid her son is and how she has insurance. 115 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 3: Don't worry about it. 116 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, well, it seems like a slam dunk case. 117 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 3: Honestly, I just felt bad for the kid. I'm like, listen, 118 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 3: I'm not. 119 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 5: Paying anything, like you're your insurance or you're you know, 120 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 5: somebody's paying for this. 121 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 3: But like, I just felt bad for him. 122 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 2: Well, his insurance is paying for it. You should have 123 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 2: built him out it. You should have gotten a second car, 124 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 2: and you should have walked away with at least a 125 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 2: quarter pound of his wheat. I mean. 126 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 4: Quarter outs to the very least. 127 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 3: At least at least sounds like there wasn't any left. 128 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 4: There's always more left. 129 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 2: Trust me, that guy, the kid will scrape resident until 130 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 2: the end of time. Okay, So anyway, I'm sitting on. 131 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 4: A beach at Lake Tahoe right now. 132 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 3: It's in a hostel. 133 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 4: When I opened up, no, it's Harvey's. 134 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 2: When I opened up these windows, I have these pullaway windows, Mike. 135 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 2: They open all the way to the end of the wall, 136 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 2: and it's just air from the lake just coming into 137 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 2: my room. 138 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 4: It's incredible. 139 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 2: I want to live here. I'm gonna move here. It's 140 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 2: either here Lake Tahoe. It's either Lake Tahoe or the 141 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 2: Gorge or Lake George. 142 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 4: That's where I'm moving. At some point, I picture you. 143 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 3: Opening those windows and it looking like the kid getting 144 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 3: out of the car. The smoke just starts billowing out. 145 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 2: If you look right outside, right in front of my lawn, 146 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 2: there's a walkway before the lawn. 147 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 4: There are three dog walkers out there. I just chucked 148 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 4: them out the window. And then I started kicking people. 149 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 2: Walking their actual dog on my lawn. 150 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 3: I kicked them off your lawn at a hotel. 151 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 4: Listen, it's my lawn for the next five days. Okay, 152 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 4: walk your dog on your own lawn as that's Oh, 153 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 4: you don't have one, too bad. 154 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 3: If you're in that room, what is Aaron Rodgers staying in? 155 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 2: They stay in big houses, huge massive houses in the lake, 156 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 2: they do. So I'm excited, man, it's gonna be a 157 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 2: fun week out here. I'm looking forward to it. You're 158 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 2: excited because we have an author coming on. Brian Hawk. 159 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 2: You're wearing your. 160 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 4: Yankees at right now. You're a huge Yankee fan. 161 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 2: The only reason Billy and I agree to do this 162 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 2: interview is because you wanted to talk to this guy 163 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 2: about Aaron Judges great season last year. So he has 164 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 2: a new book out. He's a credible, great Yankee reporter. 165 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 2: He's a nice guy too. But Aaron Judge the New 166 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 2: York Yankees to the pursuit of greatness. So that book 167 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 2: is out wherever books are sold. You're excited for this, Mike. 168 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 2: You are a big Yankee fan, and that season last 169 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 2: year for you was you know, you didn't win the 170 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,839 Speaker 2: World Series, but Judge did something remarkable. 171 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 3: It was fun to watch. I mean except on Saturdays 172 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,079 Speaker 3: when they cut in, you know, to some of the 173 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 3: better college football games for an Aaron Judge pop out. 174 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 3: But yeah, no, it was really fun to watch. 175 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 5: It was when was the last time you had a 176 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 5: season like that as a Met fan, something where you 177 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 5: were like, I can't wait to tune in to see 178 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 5: if this person can accomplish this goal. 179 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 2: It's a really good question, I would say, because I've 180 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 2: had met teams that are good and they've been competitive. 181 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 2: But a guy chasing something, it's not it's not apples 182 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 2: to apples, Okay, because Aaron Rodgers, I mean, Eric Judge, 183 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 2: my head's in Tahoe man, uh Dolf Walker's front lawn 184 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 2: kicking people off. Okay, but Aaron Judge, right, Mickey Mantle, Aaron. 185 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 4: Judge, you like that. 186 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 2: Aaron Judge was pursuing a record, a Yankee record, uh, 187 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 2: and he was pursuing something that meant a lot to 188 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 2: a lot of people. I would say, the last time 189 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 2: the Mets had something or someone where you had to 190 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 2: tune in, regardless of the record, could you just wanted 191 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 2: to see what. 192 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,079 Speaker 4: He was gonna do? Was Doctor k Dwight Gooden? 193 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 2: Like that was the last time, Like every fourth or 194 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,559 Speaker 2: fifth day, Mike, you were and the Mets were competitive 195 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 2: when Doc was there, But every fourth or fifth day 196 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 2: you tuned in to see Dwight Gooden, to see Doctor Kay. 197 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 4: You did. So that's that's That's the best I can 198 00:09:57,920 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 4: give you. I don't have anything else. 199 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 3: It's the Mets pitched a no hitter with the Yankees. 200 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 2: Of course, go fuck yourself. Are you ready for Brian Hawk? 201 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 2: Let's bring him on all right, Let's get to the 202 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 2: author again. Check out his new book, Aaron Judge, The 203 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 2: New York Yankees and the Pursuit of Greatness. It's available 204 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 2: wherever books are sold. Looking forward to this not so 205 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 2: much for me, but for mikey A. It's gonna make 206 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 2: them happy. We are joined by Brian Hawk, who is 207 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 2: a Yankee beat reporter and also an author. He has 208 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 2: a book out, Well, we'll be out in a couple 209 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,079 Speaker 2: of weeks, sixty two Aaron Judge, The New York Yankees 210 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 2: and the Pursuit of Greatness. And well, I was having 211 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:47,079 Speaker 2: an interesting conversation with Billy before Brian joined us, and 212 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 2: so I will start there, Billy, go ahead with your 213 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 2: uncomfortable question. 214 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,559 Speaker 6: Well, we were just talking, and we were just saying 215 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 6: a little early for an Aaron Judge book in his career, 216 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 6: right now, come on, I think so. I mean, so 217 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 6: yours is about his historic season, which obviously is noteworthy. 218 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 6: But if it was like just a career retrospective, you know, 219 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 6: what are we like five years in something like that. 220 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 7: Well, his career story hasn't been written yet, but now 221 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 7: we use the sixty two home run season as a 222 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 7: jumping off point to explore everything that's going on in 223 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 7: the Yankee universe and also delve into baseball history. I mean, 224 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 7: he just came off this historic chase of Roger Maris's 225 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 7: single season American League record, And so the book has 226 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 7: a lot of flashbacks to nineteen sixty one and contrast 227 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 7: between what was going on sixty one years ago appropriately 228 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 7: enough when Maris was going through this chase versus a 229 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 7: Judge doing it in the Instagram Twitter era, and definitely made. 230 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 3: A lot of cool parallels there. 231 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:48,719 Speaker 7: But yeah, no, I think that this is not so 232 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 7: much a biography or a career retrospective of Aaron Judge. 233 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 7: I think that would be the wrong way to look 234 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 7: at it. I think it would be a to kind 235 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 7: of go through his sixty two home run season. But 236 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 7: also it's a a picture of where baseball was in 237 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 7: twenty twenty two, where it is in twenty twenty three, 238 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 7: and how important he is to this Yankee franchise. I mean, 239 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 7: you're seeing it on the field now when they don't 240 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 7: have him. I think that's the best argument for how 241 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 7: valuable he is for this Yankee team. And anytime you 242 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 7: lose the MVP, that's going to hurt your team. But 243 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 7: he is so valuable on so many different fronts, and 244 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 7: we explore. 245 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:23,839 Speaker 3: A lot of that in the book. Brian. I'm in 246 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 3: my thirties, so I don't know much about the Maras season. 247 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 3: All I know I got from the Billy Crystal movie 248 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 3: sixty one about how Maris was treated. How different was it? 249 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 5: Because I feel like everybody was behind Judge, whereas you 250 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 5: know from everything you read, you know Maris they hated 251 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 5: him for it. 252 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 3: That's a great point. 253 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 7: And the one thing that Billy Crystal talked about really 254 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 7: sticks with me in that is that the difference between 255 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 7: the Maris chase of nineteen sixty one and Judge in 256 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 7: twenty twenty two is Judge had no co conspirator. 257 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 3: That's the way Billy put it. 258 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 4: There. 259 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 7: You had Mickey Mantle pushing Marits, you had the fans 260 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 7: on mantal side. They were loving the fans loved Mantle, 261 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 7: they loved Babe Ruth to a certain extent still at 262 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 7: that point, and they didn't want to see Roger Merris 263 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 7: break this record. And I think that when you saw 264 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 7: last season with Judge, there was nobody rooting against Aaron Judge. 265 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 7: It was also nobody on the team pushing Judge. He 266 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 7: was single handedly kind of having to run that chase 267 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 7: by himself. But I think that last summer was the 268 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:28,719 Speaker 7: best thing that ever happened to Roger Morris in a 269 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:33,559 Speaker 7: lot of ways, because finally everybody looked at that accomplishment 270 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 7: in that nineteen sixty one season and said. 271 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 3: Hey, that was pretty special. What he did. 272 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 7: I feel like, finally we can fully appreciate what he 273 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 7: went through, the stress and the hell at times that 274 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 7: he went through in trying to break that record with 275 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 7: basically the whole world pulling against him. And I think that, yeah, 276 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,439 Speaker 7: in writing this book, I think that doing Judge doing 277 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 7: it by himself was not all that interesting to me, 278 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 7: which is why in this book you'll find Roger Morris 279 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 7: comes back as a character. Babe Ruth to a certain 280 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 7: extent does too, so does Mickey Mantle, and Judge is 281 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,719 Speaker 7: chasing this record with these kind of ghosts in the 282 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:12,679 Speaker 7: rearview mirror right alongside him. 283 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 2: Did the Maras family enjoy the chase? 284 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 3: I think they did. 285 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 7: I think the latter part of it for a lot 286 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 7: of that reason too, because look, they've been through this 287 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 7: before with the Mark McGuire chase, the Samy Sosa chase, 288 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 7: and as much as they tried to be part of it, 289 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 7: then what we've learned about it being artificial, I think 290 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 7: really affected how they were able to enjoy the chase. 291 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 7: Mark McGuire personally apologized to missus Marris at some point, 292 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 7: you know, after the steroid stuff became clear, and I 293 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 7: think that you know if you look at what Roger 294 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 7: Marras said publicly about this, Look, Aaron's a Yankee, He's 295 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 7: doing it the right way, He's doing it clean, and 296 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 7: in the Maris family's eyes, sixty two is now the 297 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 7: record now the Major League Baseball Seventy three is the 298 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 7: record with Barry Bonds, and I think that it's up 299 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 7: to the eye of the beholder, I think, but no 300 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 7: doubt about it. I think that when you have these 301 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 7: three great Yankee right fielders all played the same position, 302 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 7: same franchise, different eraists, Babe Ruth, Roger Marris and now 303 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 7: Aaron Judge all held that record, I think that's pretty 304 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 7: special and significant. 305 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 2: How do you view it the home run record? 306 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 7: To me, if you ask me, my answer is the 307 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 7: same as what Aaron Judge would tell you, is that 308 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 7: seventy three is the record. 309 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 3: Barry Bonds all saw it, we all watched it. We 310 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 3: saw it, we saw it, you know, And I think 311 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 3: that it's a product of that era of baseball. 312 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 7: And I don't like deleting things and canceling things and saying, oh, well, 313 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 7: that didn't happen, it didn't count. I watched Mark Maguire 314 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 7: hit seventy and I was excited as anybody, And you know, 315 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 7: I was a kid watching that. I remember how exciting 316 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 7: that was, Assosa Chase, that it was a time in baseball. 317 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 7: And I think that now, as we've learned more, I 318 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 7: view it differently. It would be my answer. I view 319 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 7: what Bonds did, what MC did, what Sosa did. I 320 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 7: do view it differently than what Judge did last year 321 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 7: or what Roger Morris did in nineteen sixty one. 322 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 3: But I don't want to pretend it didn't happen, because 323 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 3: it did. 324 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 2: Roger Morris Junior wrote the forward to your book. He 325 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 2: really inserted himself into this story. He seems like was 326 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 2: he a pain in the ass? Let's just be honest, Brian, 327 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 2: come on, he was. 328 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 3: Great for us. No, he's fantastic. 329 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 7: And I think that having the connection there with the 330 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 7: Marris family, you know, I think that he got a 331 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 7: little tired of following the team around because they were 332 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 7: waiting for Judge to tie in and break this record, 333 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 7: and they were hanging around for eight, nine, ten days 334 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 7: and they had to go on the road until he 335 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 7: finally did it in Toronto. But uh, yeah, no, it 336 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 7: took a little while. And when Maris hugged Judge that 337 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 7: day in Toronto. 338 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 3: He said. 339 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 7: The first thing he said to him, he said, what 340 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 7: took you so long? What'd you make. 341 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 3: Me wait so long? But I thought it was cool 342 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 3: to have that connection. 343 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 7: And that's one thing that the Yankees do as well 344 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 7: as anybody else in this sport, is they draw those 345 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 7: connections between their own history. 346 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 6: Is Maris Junior like a one trick pony? Like you 347 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 6: follow him around and he's just like you know, dad, 348 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 6: once he hit sixty two, Homer Roger Junior, like you 349 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 6: told us it is a thousand times liked a new story. 350 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 7: I don't know. I mean, you know, if if my 351 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 7: dad had broken a Babe Ruth record, I'd be pretty 352 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 7: proud of it too. So yeah, yeah, I think that's 353 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 7: pretty cool. And uh, you know, I mean that's there. 354 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 7: That's the families claim to fame, no doubt. And Roger Morris, 355 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 7: by the way, he was not a one trick pony. 356 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 7: Let's talk about the Roger Marras Senior. You know, this 357 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 7: is a guy who won the American League MVP Awards. 358 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 7: It was not just he had one great year and 359 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 7: caught fire. I mean, this guy was a heck of 360 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 7: a major league player. He's not in the Hall of Fame. Uh, 361 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 7: he's probably just a shade below that, but uh, it's 362 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 7: still a career that deserves recognition. He came out great, 363 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 7: and he finished up with the Cardinals too, and won 364 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:50,360 Speaker 7: a World Series there as well. 365 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 3: So I think it was pretty cool. 366 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 7: Uh. You know they tracing the entire lineage there of 367 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 7: Roger Morris and how it translates to the Yankees today. 368 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 2: All right, so you have a more Carlin's fan on 369 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 2: this zoom, a met fan on this zoom, and a 370 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 2: Yankee fan and that's Mikey A and Mikey A for 371 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 2: the first time in show history. Is a shame to 372 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 2: be associated. 373 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 3: I am ashamed of you guys, well of you, Billy. 374 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 2: He should be ashamed of the matters, Junior. 375 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 3: I expect that from Billy. 376 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 4: Go ahead, Mikey asked you Yankee question. 377 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 5: Well, my first question, how close do you think Judge 378 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 5: came to not breaking the record? You mentioned how long 379 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 5: it took to hit that final home run in Toronto? 380 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 5: Was everybody getting a little nervous there. 381 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 4: Like you might chose? 382 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 7: Yeah, I'll tell you what you know, being in the 383 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 7: press box for every single one of those. I have 384 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 7: a lot of videos on my phone of Aaron Judge 385 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 7: not hitting number sixty one or not hitting number two 386 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 7: because we were all taping it and holding up our 387 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 7: cameras just in case he did. It went from city 388 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 7: to city. 389 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 3: Like it took me. Yes, they did. That's in the 390 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 3: book too, about how they were keitting in and you know. 391 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 4: We we're coming around that this is great. 392 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 7: I mean, yeah, by the time he got to week 393 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 7: two of cutting in for live coverage, people were like, 394 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 7: all right, come on, we're really gonna watch Aaron Judge 395 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 7: get an intentional walk here or or strikeout or whatever 396 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 7: it was going to be. So I think it was 397 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 7: a great relief off everybody when he did hit that 398 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 7: fly ball in Toronto down the left field line. I 399 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 7: can see it in my mind's eye. And then finally 400 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 7: he hit sixty two on the second to last day 401 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 7: of the year in Texas. 402 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 3: So yeah, he was gassed. This pursuit took a lot 403 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 3: out of him. 404 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 7: I think you can look at his performance in the 405 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:36,360 Speaker 7: postseason too and say that he did not hit the postseason. 406 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 7: I think it was he spent himself to try and 407 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 7: get this record, and but I think it was still 408 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 7: a meaningful record. It was a meaningful pursuit, and the 409 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 7: fact that they were cutting in on college football, I 410 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 7: think tells you how significant it was. 411 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 3: Kind of it was a moment in time, no doubt. 412 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 5: What does his contract look like if he doesn't break 413 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 5: that record or hit that many home runs? 414 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 3: What does it look great? Is he playing for the Yankees? 415 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 3: Great question? 416 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 7: Yeah, no, because they offered him two hundred and thirteen 417 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 7: point five million dollars prior to the opening day. 418 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 3: He turned that down. He bet on himself. 419 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 7: And I was there in the press conference that day, 420 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 7: and I remember Brian Cashman said, you know, giving us 421 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 7: the numbers, and I wrote it down in my notepen. 422 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 3: I said, two thirteen point five. That's that's a pretty 423 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 3: good offer. 424 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 7: I thought, I don't know if I would have turned 425 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 7: that down given his injury history. And now you know, 426 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 7: in hindsight, here we're looking at a season with without 427 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 7: Judge where we don't we still don't know when he's 428 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 7: gonna come back, and so there was a huge gamble 429 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 7: on Judge's part to say, no, I'm not going to 430 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 7: take this offer. 431 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 3: You're gonna pay me like Mike Trout. 432 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 7: I want to be a paid among the highest paid outfielders, 433 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 7: and I'm going to go out and prove it. 434 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 3: And then he did it. 435 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 7: And yeah, you look, he played in almost every single game. 436 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 7: He performed like an MVP. He won the MVP. You know, 437 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 7: Judge got twenty eight out of the thirty MVP votes 438 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 7: last year. Show aotan he got two. And yeah, I 439 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 7: think that he went out and showed why he was 440 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 7: worth the money and and also showed the Yankees can't 441 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 7: live without him. I mean, I know that Aaron Boone 442 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,360 Speaker 7: was very concerned about the idea, this kind of fantasy 443 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 7: where Judge would be on the third baseline as a 444 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 7: member of the San Francisco Giants on opening day Yankee Stadium, 445 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 7: and that's sent Shriver's down their spine. 446 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 3: They were terrified about that idea. 447 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 7: And I think what last year did was show how 448 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 7: much they really needed Judge just to and that's why 449 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 7: he got named captain. 450 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 2: Do Brian Hawk, Yankees beat reporter and author. He has 451 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 2: written a book, sixty two. Billy thinks it's too early 452 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 2: for a Judge book. I don't I am that you've 453 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 2: turned me Aaron Judge. The New York Yankees in the 454 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 2: pursuit of greatness. What can you tell us about Aaron 455 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 2: Judge off the field, his personality because a lot of 456 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 2: people don't know. So what is something that most people 457 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 2: don't know about Aaron Judge? 458 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 3: Well, mar, let me think here, what do people not know? 459 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 7: He's got too little miniature dosun's that run around and 460 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,360 Speaker 7: he takes him in the outfield once in a while. 461 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 7: But you know, it's a kid from a small town, 462 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,199 Speaker 7: you know, two stoplight town in northern California, grew up 463 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 7: rooting for the San Francisco Giants. Rich Aurelia was his 464 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 7: favorite player back in the day. And which is you know, 465 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 7: strange choice for a guy who grew up rooting for 466 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 7: the Barry Bonds Giants of that era. But and you know, 467 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 7: I think he's a guy who it We look at 468 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 7: him six seven two eighty two, you say, that's a 469 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 7: football player in baseball clothes, and you know, he was 470 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 7: recruited by a lot of colleges. 471 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 3: To play football. Could have gone that way. 472 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 7: But one thing he always talks about in baseball is 473 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 7: he loves that chess match between the hitter and the pitcher. 474 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 3: And that's something you don't really get in football. 475 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 7: You know, a lot of football is brute strength, and 476 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 7: you know, obviously this is a guy who can run 477 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 7: through a right field wall at Dodger Stadium, just saying, 478 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 7: you know, he's obviously got the build and the physicality 479 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 7: to he could have played in the NFL, I think, 480 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 7: and he chose Major League Baseball, and it was not 481 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 7: an easy path for him. 482 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 3: You know. 483 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 7: One of the scouts I talked to said watching him 484 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 7: in the early years was like watching a newborn giraffe. 485 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,199 Speaker 7: He was kind of just stumbling all over himself. Had 486 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 7: to really kind of grow into himself and came up 487 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 7: as a rookie, hit one seventy nine, struck out a ton, 488 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 7: and I think he really showed some perseverance there, because 489 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 7: I think it would have been easy for them to 490 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,360 Speaker 7: just settle, and for him to settle and just say 491 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 7: I'm going to be an okay major league player. And 492 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 7: I talked to Reggie Jackson for this book, and he 493 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 7: remembered Judge in spring training in twenty seventeen, and Reggie 494 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 7: was one of the guys in that camp who pounded 495 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 7: the table for Judge to get another chance to be 496 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 7: on the team. And he told Brian Cashman he told 497 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 7: a few people there, Look, if you can deal with 498 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 7: the fact he's going to strike out two hundred times, 499 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 7: this guy's going to hit you thirty home runs and 500 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 7: are you okay with that? 501 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 3: Can you deal with that? Because he can play in 502 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 3: the big leagues? 503 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 7: And Reggie shot low because Judge went out and hit 504 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 7: fifty two in one Rookie of the Year that year. 505 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 7: So I think that this is not a guy who 506 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 7: showed up on day one and was great. I think 507 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 7: he really had to work toward being great, and I 508 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,360 Speaker 7: think that, Yeah, I think one thing I would say 509 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 7: about Judge is that he really does love the game. 510 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,400 Speaker 7: He loves the x's and o's of a he loves 511 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 7: thinking along with a pitcher trying to outsmart them. 512 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 3: And I don't think you get that out of every 513 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 3: single major leaguer. When you think of Yankee captains, you 514 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 3: think Derek Jeter, You think the guy that wasn't going 515 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 3: to let you not Yeah, he was going to outwork you. 516 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 5: He's got that Kobe mentality. Thurman Munson, I don't really 517 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 5: get the same sense with Judge. Why did Judge get 518 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 5: the captain? Was it just kind of a hey, let's 519 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 5: throw this in your contract to make sure you stay 520 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 5: here or is there an actual reason he got. 521 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 7: That's interesting, that's a good point, and you know, I'll 522 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 7: answer that by starting last year during the postseason, two 523 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 7: guys on this team, Nestor Cortez and Anthony Rizzo, both 524 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 7: stood up unprompted. 525 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 3: We didn't ask the question. 526 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 7: They said, if Judge comes back, he needs to be 527 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 7: our captain because he is our leader. As he goes 528 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 7: we go. We all looked at him, we all follow him. 529 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 7: And I think that, you know, having been around this 530 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 7: team now for you know, I was there in the 531 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 7: Jeter era. My first year on the Yankee B was 532 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 7: oh seven, so I got to see how Jeter ran 533 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 7: a clubhouse. It's definitely different with Judge. You know, you 534 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 7: can make some parallels between Jeter and Judge, but their 535 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 7: leadership style is definitely different. And I think that whereas 536 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 7: Jeter led by example, I feel like Judge is the 537 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 7: kind of guy where uh players look to him to 538 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 7: kind of drive the car, so to speak. I think 539 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 7: he's the one driving this, uh, this boat, if you 540 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 7: want to use that analogy, and I think he's they 541 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 7: look to him in a lot of ways. And so yeah, 542 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 7: I think that it's it's definitely a different leadership style. 543 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 7: Obviously I wasn't around for Thurman Monthson or Don Mattingly, 544 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 7: but uh, you get a lot of quiet leadership, and 545 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 7: Judge has his parts of that too, where he's never 546 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 7: gonna be the guy who airs somebody out in the dugout. 547 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 7: You're never gonna see that, but you will hear about 548 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 7: it later through the grapevine that he took care of 549 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 7: something behind the scenes, and so he's he's definitely he 550 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 7: fits into that mold in terms of if there's a 551 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 7: problem on this Yankee team, then you're gonna have to 552 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 7: answer to Aaron Judge. And I think that even more 553 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 7: so than Aaron Boone or Brian Cashman. 554 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 3: If I'm a. 555 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 7: Player on the Yankees, Judge is the guy I don't 556 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 7: want in my face telling me better shape up a 557 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:01,439 Speaker 7: ship out. 558 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 2: Mount Rushmore of New York Yankees. According to Brian Hawk. 559 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 7: Whoa Well, you know, as much as I want everybody 560 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 7: to buy this Aaron Judge book, and I hope it 561 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 7: does really well, do it. Sorry, I cannot put Aaron 562 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 7: Judge on the Mount Rushmore of New York Yankees. 563 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 2: It's not yet. 564 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 3: We're talking about it done. Maybe someday, but we'll do. Babe, Ruth, Bucky. 565 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 2: Dent, I mean, come on, he hit a big homer. 566 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 3: I'm gonna go. 567 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 7: I'm sorry, it's gonna be boring, guys, but I'm gonna go, 568 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 7: Babe Ruth, I'm gonna go, Luke Gerrig, I'm gonna go, 569 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 7: Joe DiMaggio, and I'm gonna go Mickey Mantle. 570 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 2: Wow, I mean Mike off There, Jeter ter, I love 571 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 2: those guys. 572 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 7: Hey, they're great, but you know, Mount Rushmore has only 573 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 7: got weezy baseball. 574 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 3: I mean, he's not enough room. There's not enough room, guys. 575 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,159 Speaker 7: And as great as Jeter was, as great as Mariano was, 576 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 7: and notice I don't even have heard, I don't well, 577 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 7: I don't think so. I don't have a single picture 578 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 7: on that that list. Would love to get a room 579 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 7: for Mariano there, But I gotta go with my guys there. 580 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 4: Rejuter was a tad overrated. You agree, right? A little bit? 581 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 2: Oh, come on a little bit now, Brian Brian Brian Bryant. 582 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 2: If Derek Jeter was on the Royals, will we think 583 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 2: of Derek Jeter this way? No? 584 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 7: Well, Derek j Well, if Derek Jeter played his entire 585 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 7: career in Kansas City, probably still gets three thousand hits. 586 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 3: We probably think about him the way we talk about 587 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 3: George Brett. 588 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 7: Then I would say, uh, you know, he maybe he 589 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 7: doesn't win five World Series titles, but I still think 590 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 7: no matter what, no matter what team you. 591 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 2: Put on, three thousand meaningless it. 592 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 7: No matter what team you put he was going to perform, 593 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 7: and he was going to be an All Star, and 594 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 7: he was going to put up the numbers. 595 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 2: So was so was Aaron Judge comfortable with all of this? 596 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 2: Being the home run king for the New York Yankees, 597 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,919 Speaker 2: being the captain of the Yankees, just the whole legacy, 598 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 2: everything that comes with being a Yankee. Great, all a 599 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 2: monument out there and you know in the outfield at 600 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 2: some point is he comfortable with all of this? 601 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 3: I think he embraces it. 602 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 7: I think that it took him some kind of adjusting time, 603 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,199 Speaker 7: especially in twenty seventeen. You know, I remember talking to him. 604 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 7: He was so fresh faced. He would walk around Times Square. 605 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 7: We'd go get frozen yogurt, and he'd wonder why everybody 606 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 7: was gawking at him and pointing at him. And he 607 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 7: would say, I can't even walk around without getting bothered 608 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 7: and sorry, that's part of the deal when you're six 609 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 7: foot seven and you're very recognizable and you're the right 610 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,199 Speaker 7: fielder of the New York Yankees. 611 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 3: So I think he's adjusted to this. 612 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 7: I think he's come around on the idea that, look, 613 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 7: he's a superstar athlete, he's one of the faces of 614 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 7: Major League Baseball. This is what you wanted, and that's 615 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 7: part of the deal that, look, all eyes are going 616 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 7: to be on you no matter what you do. And 617 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 7: you know, I think about what Jeter said, and he said, look, 618 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 7: if camera phones were around when I was playing, my 619 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 7: career would have lasted four years. And he's probably right. 620 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 7: I don't think Derek's lying about that. I don't think 621 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 7: he's kidding. I think that the microscope, the spotlight is 622 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 7: so much brighter. 623 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 3: On these guys. 624 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 7: Now, they go out, they get a couple of drinks, 625 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 7: they're in the wrong place at the wrong time. It's 626 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 7: on Twitter in ten minutes, and so I think that 627 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 7: to really you really have to pitch a perfect game 628 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 7: to be a celebrity, to be a star, and especially 629 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 7: of the magnitude that Judge is in this city, you know, 630 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 7: it's no easy task, and he has shown that. I 631 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 7: think he's built from it. And I think that comes 632 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 7: from his parents in a lot of ways. You know, 633 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 7: his parents, Patty and Wayne or both educators. They are 634 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 7: both teachers, and I think they really raised him the 635 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 7: right way. And you know, everybody I talked to, that's 636 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 7: what to keep coming back to. It was like, this 637 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 7: kid is from a good family, He's from a good home, 638 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 7: and that's why he's built for this. 639 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 5: All right, all said and done, put you on the spot. 640 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 5: Is his nine year contract at thirty one years old 641 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 5: going to be worth it? Well, it's worth it in 642 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 5: the fact that you couldn't let him go after that year. 643 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 7: I think that after he has sixty two home runs, 644 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 7: you know, he single handily led you to the postseason. 645 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 7: I don't think the Yankees were ready to consider the 646 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 7: idea of a team without Aaron Judge this year. I 647 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 7: think that, you know, there were certainly people who were 648 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 7: saying year seven, eight, nine of this contract are not 649 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 7: going to look great. 650 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 3: And I think that at that point it doesn't really matter, 651 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 3: right guys. 652 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 7: I mean, the idea is you're paying him for his 653 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 7: prime years and you'll deal with the rest later and 654 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 7: so's it's really unfortunate that he got hurt this year 655 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 7: and that took out of it because it looked like 656 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 7: he was on an MVP track again this year. 657 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 3: But when healthy, I think you're. 658 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 7: Buying twenty twenty three, twenty four, twenty five, twenty six, 659 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 7: twenty seven, you kind of bank those years are going 660 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 7: to be great. They're going to be forty million dollar 661 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 7: contract years, and the rest of it that's just kind 662 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 7: of a loss. 663 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 3: And we've seen this before. 664 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 7: We saw it with a Rod comes to mind, where 665 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 7: you knew the end of that contract was not going 666 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,239 Speaker 7: to look great, but what was the alternative letting him 667 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 7: walk and then not having him and who. 668 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:50,719 Speaker 3: Was going to replace him? 669 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 7: So I think it's a calculated risk, and the Yankees 670 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 7: understand that, Hey, even if the back end of the 671 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,719 Speaker 7: contract doesn't look great, you're paying for right now. 672 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 2: Sixty two Aaron Joe, The New York Yankees and the 673 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 2: Pursuit of Greatness is out right now wherever books are sold. 674 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 2: Brian Hawk, the author with Us Billy, it's never too 675 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 2: early to write a book on a Yankee, like Brian 676 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 2: Hawk has quoted, you know, I told you Dan Shawn 677 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 2: is the corner of the market on Celtics books. He 678 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 2: can release one a year and it's gonna be a 679 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 2: New York Times bestseller. Brian Hawk is cornered the market 680 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 2: on Yankee books. He can write one a year about 681 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 2: whatever he wants and it's gonna be on the New 682 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 2: York Times bestseller list, right like you carve that out 683 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 2: for yourself, Brian. 684 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate it. I mean, if we can do 685 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 3: a Marlins book too, I'm I'm in. 686 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 7: And if you got a suggestion, if there's somebody you 687 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 7: want to do, is it too early to write a 688 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 7: Luisa Ry's book? 689 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 4: Do we do that one? 690 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 3: Possibly? 691 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 4: I have a question for you, how wait, are you 692 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 4: going to co write. 693 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 2: A book with Billy about the Marlins? 694 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 4: Can we do that? 695 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 3: Thinking about it, it's assuming, let's never say never. I 696 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 3: like Brian, Yeah. 697 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 6: How how did Aaron Boone fall out of favor with 698 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 6: Yankees fans so quickly from the game winning home run 699 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 6: sending them to the World Series to now not exactly 700 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 6: and their good graces. 701 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 2: Because thereshole, Oh I'm sorry, I hit one of the 702 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,479 Speaker 2: ms in Yankee history and they're bowing on them. 703 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 3: It's crazy. 704 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 5: One of the bread reasons why I'm glad Don Matticley 705 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 5: never became the manager of the Yankees. I'd like to 706 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 5: remember him as the Yankee and let him be a 707 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 5: failed manager elsewhere. 708 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 7: That is a great point, Mike, because you know, Maddingly 709 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,719 Speaker 7: wanted that job desperately after Joe Tory uh laughed out 710 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 7: in two thousand and seven. And I think that in 711 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 7: Yankee history, you might look at Maddingly differently if he'd 712 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 7: gone and imagine the year was what. Obviously, Girardi won 713 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 7: a World Series in two thousand and nine, but you know, 714 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 7: even missing the playoffs in two thousand and eight, if 715 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 7: that was manningly, I think people would have definitely colored 716 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 7: their opinion of Donnie Baseball. And now we can kind 717 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 7: of look back and just remember Donnie Baseball as having 718 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 7: the eye black and the Franklin Battle and gloves and 719 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 7: you know, stroking two hundred hits a year and being 720 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 7: awesome at first base. 721 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 3: To answer your question with Boone, I think it's a 722 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 3: tough spot for. 723 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 7: Anybody to go in, but especially somebody who had no 724 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 7: managerial experience coming into the job. 725 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 3: And I think that's something to remember. 726 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 7: He went straight from the ESPN broadcast booth to the 727 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 7: managing job, and it was kind of learning on the fly. 728 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 7: And I think for a lot of old school fans 729 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 7: who grew up on say Billy Martin or Joe Tory, 730 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 7: you know, it's kind of like, whoa, You're just gonna 731 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 7: plug a manager in here. And I think, to his credit, 732 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 7: Boone has done a really nice job in a lot 733 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 7: of ways. You know, he's had a few couple one 734 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 7: hundred win teams, he's taking them the playoffs a bunch. 735 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 3: But I think there's always kind of. 736 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 7: That nagging thing in the back of their mind saying, oh, hey, 737 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 7: this guy just went from the broadcast booth to the 738 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 7: manager's job and it shouldn't be that easy and so 739 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 7: and obviously anytime manager goes to the bullpen makes the 740 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 7: wrong move, you know, there's people are gonna complain about 741 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 7: the lineup. 742 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 3: I think it just builds and builds and builds. 743 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 7: And let's not forget that he took over a team 744 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 7: that in twenty seventeen was one winner go away from 745 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 7: going to the World Series. 746 00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 3: They were in Houston and the Alcs and they were 747 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 3: one win away. 748 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 7: And say whatever you want about the twenty seventeen Astros, 749 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 7: but the Yankees were right there, they were on the doorstep, 750 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 7: and it seems like twenty eighteen, twenty, nineteen, twenty twenty, 751 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 7: they've never gotten that close again. And you know, I 752 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 7: think a lot of that is on the manager that 753 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 7: you have to say, all right, you were supposed to 754 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 7: put us over the hump, and you haven't done that yet, and. 755 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 3: So what's up with that? 756 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 6: Do you think Donnie knows better than to take the 757 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,800 Speaker 6: job if it becomes available, because he's kind of just 758 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 6: floating around right now in Toronto as a bench coach, 759 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,800 Speaker 6: like it seems like a placeholder position for him. But 760 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 6: do you think that he thinks that way, like, hey, 761 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 6: let me not go in there for what is a 762 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 6: dream job for him to potentially ruin his place in 763 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 6: Yankee history. 764 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 7: You know, I haven't asked Donnie that question. I would 765 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 7: be guessing, but I'm gonna think that if tomorrow, if 766 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 7: the Yankee manager job was open and they called don 767 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 7: Mattingly and said we'd like you to come in and 768 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 7: interview for it, I think he's going to New York. 769 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 3: I think he's gonna come in and talk. 770 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, who's the former Yankee that could manage the Yankees 771 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,879 Speaker 2: and they have a lousy season, but the fans don't 772 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,879 Speaker 2: boot them as it Jeter like, would Jeter get away 773 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:03,279 Speaker 2: with Woh? 774 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 7: Well, yeah, I mean the first thought that came in 775 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 7: my mind is Mariano Rivera. 776 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 3: I feel like Mariano is just gold with Yankee fans. 777 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 7: And although I watched Mo get booed at times too, 778 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,760 Speaker 7: you know, Mo bleu to save and he got booed. 779 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 7: So I think everybody gets booed in New York. I 780 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 7: don't think anybody is immune from it. I think obviously 781 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 7: Jeter and Mo would get a longer leash than probably anybody. 782 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 7: But I also know neither one of them has any 783 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 7: interest in managing the team. It's too much of a 784 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 7: time commitment. And you talk about this a little lot 785 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 7: of guys and you say, hey, would you ever want 786 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 7: to get into coaching and managing? And they say, hell no, 787 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 7: I want to show up for you know, a week 788 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 7: of spring training maybe and mess around with the guys 789 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,879 Speaker 7: and then go back to playing on the golf course 790 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,240 Speaker 7: or whatever they're doing. Because I think it's a grind. 791 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,840 Speaker 7: When you talk about a baseball season, it starts in February. 792 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,360 Speaker 7: It ends in October late or early November. That's a 793 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 7: big time commitment where you're at the ballpark twelve to 794 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 7: fourteen hours a day. 795 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 2: Jeter wouldn't do it right, but he would do it. 796 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 2: If they announced that A Rod was a candidate, then 797 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 2: I mean, all of a sudden, Derek Jeeter he'd be 798 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 2: the next manager. 799 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 7: I think Derek wants to do one thing and that 800 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 7: was own a team, and he did it. He checked 801 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,360 Speaker 7: that box and it wasn't exactly what he envisioned, so 802 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 7: I think. But you know, the whole time that I 803 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 7: covered Derek as a player, it was kind of what 804 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 7: are you gonna do next? Are you gonna you thinking 805 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,359 Speaker 7: about managing or coaching? Are you gonna be around the game? 806 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 7: And he said, no, I want to be an owner 807 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,800 Speaker 7: like George Steinbrenner. And he got to do it in 808 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 7: Miami and it didn't go the way he thought it 809 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 7: was going to be. And now I think he's moved 810 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:34,279 Speaker 7: on to other things in his life. 811 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 2: All right, Brian, good luck with the book. Thank you 812 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 2: for putting up with our nonsense. Not Mike, Keye's just 813 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,440 Speaker 2: me and Billy Brian Hawk, Yankee beat reporter, veteran Yankee 814 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 2: beat reporter and author has a new book out sixty two, 815 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 2: Aaron Judge, The New York Yankees and the Pursuit of 816 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 2: Pursuit of Happiness, Pursuit of great movie. 817 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 3: Yes You're movie with Will Smith. 818 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 4: It's been a long day. I'm sorry. 819 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 2: Available wherever books are sold, go check it out. 820 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 4: It's gonna do great. 821 00:36:58,280 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 3: Brian, thank you for the time. 822 00:36:59,320 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 2: We appreciate it. 823 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 3: Man, you gotta guys anytime.