WEBVTT - Draft Show: The Calm Before The Storm 0:00:02.440 --> 0:00:07.000 He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:10.480 room for in center news and draft analysis from deep 0:00:10.520 --> 0:00:14.320 within the confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star in Fresco, 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:23.400 Dallas Cowboys. Like DDE Lambs, your host, Kyle Yeomans, we 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:28.520 are just one week away, one week till the NFL Draft, 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:32.559 and welcome into the ultimate Draft Show coverage of the 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:36.040 twenty twenty one NFL Draft. As we lead you into 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:39.440 draft week with the top three hundred board from mister 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:42.360 Dane Brugler straight off the athletic We're also going to 0:00:42.440 --> 0:00:44.880 give you some seven round Cowboys mocks, and then, of course, 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:48.040 hearing about twenty to forty five minutes, we'll hit some 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:50.360 Twitter on the twenty at some point throughout the course 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:53.160 of the show. Glad you're with us, Kyle Yeomans. Brian 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:56.000 brought us, We've got Dane Brugler. Bucky Brooks will join 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:58.120 us coming up in just a little bit, because you 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:02.279 know it's it's draftnos DRAP week now. Because brought us 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:07.559 Bucky Brooks already continuing his coverage and continuing to show 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:10.400 that he's bigger than us at the NFL Networks, at 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:13.319 the NFL Network Yeah, you know, that's what Bucky does 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:16.480 when you're a TV guy, you know, and you don't 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:18.760 have you know, you have to dress up, you have 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:22.720 to look at presentable. Yeah, it's you know, and Bucky 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:25.280 and Bucky went from being a scout to being like 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:29.240 a media star. And you know, we knew this time 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:32.120 was going to happen. The closer you get to the draft, 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:34.280 you know, the media stars are going to show up. 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:36.560 But hey, I think we got the best crew of 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:40.880 scouts on this show right now. So I bet you 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:43.000 we do a really good show with as we get 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:46.120 going here. I like it. Dane. Of course, this is 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:49.880 a big week for you. Are you Is this a 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:52.639 special time for you? Are you really doing anything extra 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:57.320 based off of what your normal draft rep is. No, 0:01:57.480 --> 0:01:59.600 it's always, you know, the last week is always the 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:02.680 calm of for the storm. It's uh, you know a 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:04.600 lot of information coming in. This This year is a 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:07.920 little different because the medicals are happening so late that 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:10.200 now we're starting to get some of the medical information. 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:12.160 This guy's got a bad knee, this guy's got a 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:15.880 bad shoulder. Um, and you know, I know these last 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:19.080 few weeks gouts have been going to draft meetings with 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:22.040 their fingers and toes crossed that they don't get that 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:24.960 late information about someone that has been taken off the 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:27.560 board because it's something the doctors found. So you know 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:29.760 that that we're getting that late information now about some 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:33.360 of these players, and it's certainly affect the first round. UM. 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:35.639 But just trying to weed through all the information that 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:38.520 we get, uh, you know, what's what's what, What should 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:41.160 we believe, what shouldn't we believe, what's true, what's not, 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:43.280 and so just trying to make sense of it all. 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:46.320 Anybody stick out to you in that regard, Dane, whenever 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:49.520 you're you're you're mentioning these these players that could be 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:52.120 taken off boards. Have you heard any rumors around the 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:57.080 NFL about some of those players? Well, there are, I 0:02:57.080 --> 0:02:59.960 mean Terrace Marshall's got a knee. Um, that'll be an 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:02.560 shoe for a lot of teams that was flagged. Um. 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:05.320 You know there's some others that you know, I'm working 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:07.360 to confirm, you know, because just because you hear it 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:09.720 from one source doesn't mean that it's absolutely how every 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:12.800 team feels, and so trying to work on some others. Um. 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:15.520 But that's you know, with without the combine this year, 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:17.200 we had about what one hundred and fifty players go 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:21.960 to Indianapolis and get these thorough evaluations, and there's there's 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:24.480 always stuff that pops up, you know, a pre existing 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:26.920 injury we didn't know about, and so um you know 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:28.359 that that's that's gonna be the case with a few 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:31.720 of these guys. Arris Mars, of course, the wide receiver 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:33.680 out of Lsue. You just wanted to hit the LSU 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:35.640 guy right off the bat and just kind of throw 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:37.680 a jab at Brian brought us. I think that's exactly 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:42.520 what just happened from Dane. But we've got a chance. Yeah, 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:44.880 any him and Helm and any chance I get an 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:46.720 I can do that. I make sure and take advantage 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:49.880 for good reason, for good reason. Okay, So we've got 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:53.160 this thing that was kind of patched down, passed down 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:56.520 from up top upstairs. They want us to promote this 0:03:56.560 --> 0:04:00.600 twenty twenty one Dallas Cowboys Draft Pick Challenge. Of course, 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:03.520 all those who are listing can also be a part 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:06.240 of this. It's presented by Draft Kings and Cowboys fans 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:09.880 are invited to participate in the free to play twenty 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:12.880 twenty one Cowboys Draft Pick challenge. You gotta submit your 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:16.159 answers on Dallas Cowboys dot com by the time the 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:19.600 draft starts seven pm Central Time on April twenty ninth. 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:21.880 And basically what it is is make a mock draft. 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:24.880 You make every one of the ten picks the Cowboys 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:28.080 have are laid out on this draft board, and you 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:31.200 can go through and basically fill out this sheet of 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:36.039 paper and make your picks to potentially what you think 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:38.279 the Cowboys are going to do. It's basically a bracket 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:41.719 challenge like you do for March Madness, but instead it's 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:44.680 with the NFL Draft. And so of course us being 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:46.960 the Draft Show, we're gonna all submit, not even just 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:49.160 these hosts and Bucky Brooks. We're gonna also do it 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:51.440 with Dave, We're gonna do it with Kat, We're gonna 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:53.240 do it with Jeff as well. But every one of 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:56.279 us are gonna submit a sheet of all ten picks 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:59.000 and what we think are going to happen. Brian, we're 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:02.120 gonna let you start things offense. I do I actually 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:05.520 really like your ten picks and what you what direction 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:08.480 you ended up going there. We're trying to guess exactly 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:11.640 what the Cowboys are going to do, not necessarily what 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:13.400 we would do. But Brian, what did you have in 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:17.640 terms of your first round pick traffic? Yeah, I went 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:20.719 with my first round pick. I went with Patrick Certan 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:23.080 is who I went with. I just feel like though 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:25.960 that if you know, there's a there's a couple of 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:28.599 different ways this draft could go, depending on what happens 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:31.280 with pits, with depending on what happens with the offensive lineman. 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:33.240 But I just feel like that at the end of 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:35.400 the day, they're going to take the best player for them. 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:37.360 They're going to take the steady player. They're going to 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:39.080 take the guy that they feel like that they could 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:42.000 plug in and make that starter. And you know, and 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:44.919 we all talked about it, uh you know, really about 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:47.719 what type of player he is, you know, And I 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:49.560 think at the end of the day, that's what you 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:51.240 want to do. You just want to get the guy 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:54.400 that best fits what you can do. But it also 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:57.920 allows you to, uh, you know, to to hit a need, 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:00.760 uh you know, a big need for this team with 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:04.800 that secondary. So to my opinion, Patrick Surtan will be 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:07.920 that guy. As the Cowboys pick at their number ten, 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:13.080 I went with uh TCUs. I went with Morick the 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:16.920 safety from TCU as my second guy. I went with 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:20.600 Dunce at at offensive town. I went and got your 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:24.480 North Dakota State. I went and got my North Dakota 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:27.920 State guy. I went and got my defensive tackle McNeil 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:32.599 from from North Carolina's state there at ninety nine. I 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:36.800 went and got a defensive end with Snowden from Virginia 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:41.560 at four one fifteen. I went and got a linebacker, 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:47.279 Rice from Georgia at one thirty eight, Hawker the guard 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:50.560 from Texas A and M at one seventy nine. And 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:53.320 then I kind of went on a flyer here at 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:56.120 one ninety two. I went with Adams, the wide receiver 0:06:56.279 --> 0:07:00.479 from Arkansas state of six two, type of a player. There. 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:06.920 I went with Lenor the corner from Oregon at the 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:11.400 two twenty seven, and then carry Vincent, my LSU guy 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:13.600 at two thirty nine. So I tried to help the 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:17.080 defense with some mixed in some of those offensive players 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:21.360 that we were talking about. Dame, whenever you look at 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:23.680 what brought us, just did now run through it again, 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:30.880 Sir Tan marrig Radunce, McNeil, Snowden, Rice, Hawker, Adams, Lenore Vincent. 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:34.840 So that's the ten straight up and down. Well, one 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:36.440 thing that stuck out to me was going to get 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:38.080 in that edge rusher in the fourth round. And it's 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:40.600 always tough to try and find an edge rusher going 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:43.800 into Day three of the draft. But with Snowden from Virginia, 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:45.920 I mean, he's a guy who has some high upside. 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:49.240 He's got fantastic length, got great size. What does he 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:52.160 bring to the table if the Cowboys were looking for 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:59.920 an edge rusher maybe on Day three's he's fascinating because 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:03.040 the way you set it up, he's he's really tall, 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:05.440 he's really he looks like a basketball player, and that's 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:07.720 what he was most of his life. That he thought 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:09.840 he was going to be playing in the NBA one 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:12.119 day and now he's getting ready to be an NFL 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:15.040 draft pick coming off a major injury. So that is 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:17.280 a factor here. And just you know, the medical is 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:19.160 being clean and you know, trusting where he is in 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:22.880 his rehab. But six three and a half two hundred 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:26.920 forty five pounds, a really fluid mover, a guy that 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:29.640 can play on the edge. You know, power you kind 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:31.360 of worry about, you know, does he he has thirty 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:34.040 five in charms, but can he use that to his advantage. 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:36.680 Can he weaponize his hands. That's where I think he 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:40.960 needs to really grow to become a full time NFL contributor. 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:43.880 But you love how fluid he is in space, He 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:46.120 shows up in the backfield. He has over thirty cackles 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:48.760 for a loss in his career. There's just a lot 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:53.960 to like about his recognition, skills, his fluid athleticism, his length. 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:56.760 So we got it? What is it the fourth round? 0:08:56.840 --> 0:09:05.960 Or to me? Yeah, and Dane, where where I where? 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:08.880 I have a problem with how this player was used. 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:11.960 I don't think there was a bigger misuse of a 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:14.480 player than this kid. I mean, I'm watching him in 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:17.080 that three or four I'm watching him drop. He's you know, dropping, 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:20.240 he's playing a coverage and then but when he's rushing, 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:23.360 You're like going, Okay, he's got something here, He's got 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:27.040 something going on here. So I thought the Virginia coaches, 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:29.360 you know that they did. I thought they did a 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:33.000 really poor job of using or playing to his skill. 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:36.680 And I understand, you know, Bronco Mendenhall and what they're 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:39.520 trying to do their Virginia, But man, this kid, I 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:41.520 think if you get his hand on the ground and 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:45.000 let him rush, you're gonna you can find a guy 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:46.520 that can maybe be a little bit of a special 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:50.400 player here. I like it. I question if he has 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:53.839 the power to do that consistently, but I do think 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:56.600 if you're able to weaponize his hands, then I think 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:59.720 you're right, you might find a guy that's gonna really 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:02.480 out play that draft spot brought us. What made you 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:06.480 go with where a Dunce at the third third round pick? 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:07.880 I mean, this is a guy, of course, out of 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:11.840 North Dakota State, that was a uh that was a 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:14.520 Senior Bowl guy, really kind of impressed during his time there. 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:17.160 But why why did you go that direction whenever? I 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:19.800 mean there could be some other guys potentially in that 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:25.440 same realm at the third round, seventy fifth pick. Yeah, 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:27.120 you know, I mean, now we are a couple of 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:30.000 guys that I kind of thought about. You know, I 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:32.720 thought about Smith from East Carolina. I just wanted to 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:37.320 go with an offensive tackle. Forsyth is another guy from 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:40.200 Florida that's a big guy. I just kind of went 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:43.680 on the thought that maybe here's a guy that's really 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:46.600 kind of young. I mean when you talk about where 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:50.000 where he's come from, you know, I was looking forward, 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:53.120 the guy that's got the traits that could grow and 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:55.480 can develop and stuff like that. Maybe some of these 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:58.760 offensive line and Smith from East Carolina is could have 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:00.679 been one of those guys, but a little bit of 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:03.880 a lighter guy, you know. I just wanted to grab 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:08.839 that that developmental offensive tackle at that spot and then 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:11.920 hope that like, Okay, maybe you can work with him. 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:14.880 You put strength on him, and then he kind of 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:18.199 he doesn't have to play initially, but with the Cowboys, 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:20.800 you never know, he might get thrown in in week three, 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:24.360 you know. But I just liked with Redunds. I just 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:27.440 liked the makeup of him, and I like how he 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:32.400 handled himself, you know, and all the opportunities that he got. Dan, 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:35.480 what are your thoughts on the North Dakota State tackle? 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:40.640 You know, I wasn't thrilled with him on tape. I 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:42.240 gave him a fourth round grade just based off of 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:45.280 the tape. I thought there were some balance issues, you know, 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:49.320 some some play strength issues, but he swayed me at 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:52.320 the Senior Bowl watching him during practice, I thought he 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:54.160 did a really nice job and I gave him a 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:57.520 little bit of bump in my rankings and just just 0:11:57.520 --> 0:11:59.600 based off of those what he did and seeing him 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:02.400 a person, seeing him move, the mirroring skills I thought 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:05.800 were really good, and so what Dylan Raidens was able 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:07.959 to do, I bumped him up to seventy four overall 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:11.040 on my board. I still a little worried about just 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:13.560 how overaggressive he can be and how that leads to 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:17.080 some balance issues. But I think he's instinctive. I love 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:20.400 the demeanor that he plays with. He's really it has 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:23.319 that nasty temperament that you want. He'll get after it 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:26.400 in the run game. There's no question about that thirty 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:28.880 four inch arms. But I know some teams even view 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:31.360 him as a better guard at the next level, which 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:33.880 I think is debatable. So but I do think that 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:36.600 you know you're trying him a tackle, and you know 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:40.280 a guy that might give you some versatility. So we 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:42.440 took him at seventy five, so yeah, right around where 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:44.640 I have him too, So I think it makes sense 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:47.760 there are going to be some tackles in that third round, 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:51.200 fourth round that at least could be developmental. I like 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:54.559 Radunds too, brought us. I'm right there with you. He's 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:57.679 my fifth offensive tackle or excuse me, sixth offensive tackle 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:00.760 on the board behind Tevin Jing. But there's a I 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:03.200 mean there's a massive gap between those two guys, and 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:05.280 I think Redunds is one of those that could fall 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:07.959 and be one of the developmental pieces. We've got Bucky 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:10.959 Brooks as a part of the show. Now, Bucky, welcome in. 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:13.560 Glad you're able to join us seven days before the 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:16.079 NFL Draft. Are you excited? I can see the smile 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:20.080 on your face. You have that nervous wave though, Well, 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:22.440 I'm exciting until I look over and I see Brian 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:24.760 brought us, who is in full draft mode because right 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:27.640 now everything is negative Nancy like he's shaking his head. 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:30.719 He's not necessarily happy. He wants to figure out a 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:32.600 way because he doesn't feel like he has enough picks 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:35.760 to get the thing done. So that that's what I'm doing. 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:37.840 I'm over here looking at Brian brought us because I 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:39.920 am one that I would just trade array. I think 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:41.400 we can get it done with five picks. We don't 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:44.760 need all these picks that Brian is over here hoarding. Well, 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:46.720 I'll tell you what, you know, what if you wouldn't 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:49.400 spend so much time on TV, you know, you figure 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:52.000 out how to use all those picks. You know, we 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:54.319 don't need all these picks, all those extra picks that 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:57.760 you're accumulating. You just hoarding them all. Hey, I worked 0:13:57.800 --> 0:14:02.079 hard to get these picks, man. I had to give 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:05.040 up some players to get these extra picks, so you know, hey, 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:10.640 I'll do what I have to do. I love it now, Briant. Okay, guys, 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:14.480 Brian a question, right question with his mock. Uh did J. C. 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:17.640 Horne come into consideration at all for you at number ten? 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:22.120 It's interesting you look at the betting odds of who's 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:24.240 gonna be the first defended drafted, and Certain is the 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:27.600 clear favorite. Quitty pays right behind him, and then Horn 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:32.040 is an interesting one. Could could you can see? Is 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:37.360 it possible that the Cowboys would uh prefer Horn over Certain? 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:40.040 Do you think that's a possibility for this team? Yeah, 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:42.200 you know, and I do, And I went I went 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:44.480 to safe route, is what I did because of the 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:47.400 ten pick me. Personally, I'd love for them to pick Horn. 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:49.960 I wish I had the guts to just pick Horn 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:54.000 for them. I think there's a there's a genuine relationship 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:57.560 between Dan Quinn and Will must Champ, and I think 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:00.360 they're going to know everything in the book about JC 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:04.280 Horn and what he brings, and everybody will tell you though, 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:07.280 well he holds, he does this, he does that. I'll 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:09.800 tell you what though, I have him above Certan. I 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:13.000 just kind of feel like that the Cowboys, when you 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:17.040 and knowing those guys for that particular pick, they're going 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:19.920 to try and get the steadiest player there. They might 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:22.160 not try and hit the home the home run would 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:24.720 be if Pitts was there. You know, that would be 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:27.600 the home run for them. Take Pitts, move on, We've got, 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:30.640 like Bucky was saying, you've got all these other picks, 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:34.600 you'll figure out what defensive players. Me personally, I would 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:37.960 have taken Horn if it was me. But I think 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:39.960 for them and trying to pick what they were going 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:41.400 to do, I felt like that they were going to 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:46.840 go the safer, the surer route with that particular pick. Question. Brand, So, 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:49.200 what is the thing with you, Like, what is it 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:52.200 about jac Horne that you like more than Patrick Sertan? 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:56.360 You know, I think it's the To me, Bucky, I'm 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:59.600 always like really edgy players, and I think there's some 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:02.160 edgy this to this guy. I think Sir Tan is 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:07.040 to me, you know, when you watch him play, everything 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:10.440 is it seems like everything is in control, you know, 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:14.600 the pedal, the turn, the play, I mean, everything is conturned. 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:18.840 With Horn, there's a little bit of chaos. But football. 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:23.840 Football is not always a perfect game, and sometimes you 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:27.440 have to have players that have chaos in their life 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:30.640 and chaos the way they play. And I think that's 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:34.120 where I think that's where Horn steps it up for me. 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:37.680 I you know, when when he's covering and and my 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:40.920 top fifty one or top one hundred or top three hundred, 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:44.680 whatever you want to say, Pits is my second best 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:48.960 player on that board, and I'm watching Horn cover Pits 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:52.360 and Pits is looking at him like get off me, 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:55.080 you know that kind of thing, like he's He's like, 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:58.960 get away from me, you know. And that when I 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:02.520 was watching that, I'm thinking, this kid gets it, this 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:06.240 kid gets it. And again I want that guy. I 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:09.199 want that type of player. But I just think that 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:13.359 the Cowboys will probably take the safer path than taking 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:18.440 a guy that, again that likes chaos. I think it's 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:20.480 interesting that you talk about like the chaos or whatever. 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:22.320 I will say. I agree with you about the edginess. 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:25.480 I do believe his superpower won the best trace his 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:30.080 competitiveness and his physicality, and in the right environment, it 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:38.840 absolutely could be a tone setter for the the boys 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:41.919 want to get down like that on defense, like I 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:44.120 know Dan Quinn back in the Legion of Boom days, 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:46.239 when you have Richard Sherman and Earl Thomas and all 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:49.560 those guys, it's a collection of edgy guys. And so 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:52.760 it does he want to be a zookeeper again where 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:54.880 he's having to rain those guys in or do they 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:57.359 want to steady eddy players. I think that is what 0:17:57.520 --> 0:17:59.639 is unknown, because I really don't have a sense for 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:02.399 what McCarthy wants the coach of the team to be. 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:06.119 And I think that's a great point because I think 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:09.840 there's a debate right now going on between the scouting 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:13.240 department and the coaching staff across the hall from where 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:15.640 we are. I think the scouting department is looking at 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:18.640 Patrick R. Tan Brian and saying exactly what you just 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:21.600 did and saying that he's in control, he's fundamentally sound, 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:24.600 he's a good player. Overall, you're gonna you know what 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:27.120 you're getting out of Patrick's r Tan. But then you've 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:29.840 got this coaching staff that wants some dogs that wants 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:33.240 some of that mentality. They want that extra edginess to 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:36.160 finally put themselves over the top. Because you could say 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:38.760 the same thing about Certain that you did about Digs 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:41.800 right where it's fundamentally sound, there's a lot to grow on. 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:44.560 He's gonna get burned from time to time, but ultimately 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:47.680 he's a good player. He's got a high floor, whereas 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:51.080 jac Horne is a different beast and it's a different 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:52.879 player just like that. And I don't know if you 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:55.680 necessarily agree with that sentiment, but I feel like that's 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:58.360 probably the debate that's going on across the hall from here. 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:08.000 You know, there's there's yeah, there's certain, there's certain. There's 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:11.760 certain scouts over there that they're like me, They're like, 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:14.960 give me this guy that's super competitive and all that, 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:17.240 you know, And I think you have to wonder a 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:20.640 little bit about Certan. Is he going Is he what 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:24.080 he is as we watch him and evaluate him, which 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:26.480 is a really is a good player. But is he 0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:28.919 at that level where he's going to be? Is he 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:32.119 going to get better? You know? Or is you know, 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:35.320 we're seeing the finished product at Alabama that's playing in 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:39.360 national championship games and playoff games and win in sec titles. 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:42.679 There's nothing wrong with that. But I think with Horn 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:45.960 there's a little bit of that intrigue that like, man, 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:49.439 you could go get you a guy that could be 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:52.040 one of the top guys for a while, just because 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:54.520 of the the edginess and that and that kind of 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:57.639 that demeanor that he has that you know he gets 0:19:57.720 --> 0:20:00.560 mad when you catch the ball on him. I mean, 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:04.240 he you could tell he gets mad him give me 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:06.280 that guy. I kind of liked that, But again, I 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:08.720 think the Cowboys should go in another way. Yeah. Well, 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:11.119 and the other thing too is and I mentioned this before, 0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:14.680 but the South Carolina coaches just that they rave about 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:17.280 since the day he showed up as a true freshman, 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:19.160 how he was part of the culture should not even 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:21.720 part of it. He was leading the culture change there. Um. 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:24.199 And he's not as brash as his dad. He's not 0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:26.280 gonna pull a cell phone out of his sock. But 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:28.800 he is not afraid to speak up. He is not 0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:31.600 afraid to be the loudest voice in the room when 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:33.040 he needs to be. He's not gonna go out of 0:20:33.040 --> 0:20:35.680 his way. It's not you know, it's not forced. Um, 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:37.679 you know, but he is not afraid to speak up. 0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:39.840 It'd be a part of being the difference. And I 0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:42.679 think that's that's something that's going to factor in when 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:46.840 you talk about these corners as well. Uh, if if 0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:50.760 Farley was if Farley wasn't dealing with the back issue 0:20:51.200 --> 0:20:53.239 brought us, how would you rank those three? Like, how 0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:58.920