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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. Like DDE Lambs, your host, Kyle Yeomans, we
Speaker 1: are just one week away, one week till the NFL Draft,
Speaker 1: and welcome into the ultimate Draft Show coverage of the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one NFL Draft. As we lead you into
Speaker 1: draft week with the top three hundred board from mister
Speaker 1: Dane Brugler straight off the athletic We're also going to
Speaker 1: give you some seven round Cowboys mocks, and then, of course,
Speaker 1: hearing about twenty to forty five minutes, we'll hit some
Speaker 1: Twitter on the twenty at some point throughout the course
Speaker 1: of the show. Glad you're with us, Kyle Yeomans. Brian
Speaker 1: brought us, We've got Dane Brugler. Bucky Brooks will join
Speaker 1: us coming up in just a little bit, because you
Speaker 1: know it's it's draftnos DRAP week now. Because brought us
Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks already continuing his coverage and continuing to show
Speaker 1: that he's bigger than us at the NFL Networks, at
Speaker 1: the NFL Network Yeah, you know, that's what Bucky does
Speaker 1: when you're a TV guy, you know, and you don't
Speaker 1: have you know, you have to dress up, you have
Speaker 1: to look at presentable. Yeah, it's you know, and Bucky
Speaker 1: and Bucky went from being a scout to being like
Speaker 1: a media star. And you know, we knew this time
Speaker 1: was going to happen. The closer you get to the draft,
Speaker 1: you know, the media stars are going to show up.
Speaker 1: But hey, I think we got the best crew of
Speaker 1: scouts on this show right now. So I bet you
Speaker 1: we do a really good show with as we get
Speaker 1: going here. I like it. Dane. Of course, this is
Speaker 1: a big week for you. Are you Is this a
Speaker 1: special time for you? Are you really doing anything extra
Speaker 1: based off of what your normal draft rep is. No,
Speaker 1: it's always, you know, the last week is always the
Speaker 1: calm of for the storm. It's uh, you know a
Speaker 1: lot of information coming in. This This year is a
Speaker 1: little different because the medicals are happening so late that
Speaker 1: now we're starting to get some of the medical information.
Speaker 1: This guy's got a bad knee, this guy's got a
Speaker 1: bad shoulder. Um, and you know, I know these last
Speaker 1: few weeks gouts have been going to draft meetings with
Speaker 1: their fingers and toes crossed that they don't get that
Speaker 1: late information about someone that has been taken off the
Speaker 1: board because it's something the doctors found. So you know
Speaker 1: that that we're getting that late information now about some
Speaker 1: of these players, and it's certainly affect the first round. UM.
Speaker 1: But just trying to weed through all the information that
Speaker 1: we get, uh, you know, what's what's what, What should
Speaker 1: we believe, what shouldn't we believe, what's true, what's not,
Speaker 1: and so just trying to make sense of it all.
Speaker 1: Anybody stick out to you in that regard, Dane, whenever
Speaker 1: you're you're you're mentioning these these players that could be
Speaker 1: taken off boards. Have you heard any rumors around the
Speaker 1: NFL about some of those players? Well, there are, I
Speaker 1: mean Terrace Marshall's got a knee. Um, that'll be an
Speaker 1: shoe for a lot of teams that was flagged. Um.
Speaker 1: You know there's some others that you know, I'm working
Speaker 1: to confirm, you know, because just because you hear it
Speaker 1: from one source doesn't mean that it's absolutely how every
Speaker 1: team feels, and so trying to work on some others. Um.
Speaker 1: But that's you know, with without the combine this year,
Speaker 1: we had about what one hundred and fifty players go
Speaker 1: to Indianapolis and get these thorough evaluations, and there's there's
Speaker 1: always stuff that pops up, you know, a pre existing
Speaker 1: injury we didn't know about, and so um you know
Speaker 1: that that's that's gonna be the case with a few
Speaker 1: of these guys. Arris Mars, of course, the wide receiver
Speaker 1: out of Lsue. You just wanted to hit the LSU
Speaker 1: guy right off the bat and just kind of throw
Speaker 1: a jab at Brian brought us. I think that's exactly
Speaker 1: what just happened from Dane. But we've got a chance. Yeah,
Speaker 1: any him and Helm and any chance I get an
Speaker 1: I can do that. I make sure and take advantage
Speaker 1: for good reason, for good reason. Okay, So we've got
Speaker 1: this thing that was kind of patched down, passed down
Speaker 1: from up top upstairs. They want us to promote this
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one Dallas Cowboys Draft Pick Challenge. Of course,
Speaker 1: all those who are listing can also be a part
Speaker 1: of this. It's presented by Draft Kings and Cowboys fans
Speaker 1: are invited to participate in the free to play twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one Cowboys Draft Pick challenge. You gotta submit your
Speaker 1: answers on Dallas Cowboys dot com by the time the
Speaker 1: draft starts seven pm Central Time on April twenty ninth.
Speaker 1: And basically what it is is make a mock draft.
Speaker 1: You make every one of the ten picks the Cowboys
Speaker 1: have are laid out on this draft board, and you
Speaker 1: can go through and basically fill out this sheet of
Speaker 1: paper and make your picks to potentially what you think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are going to do. It's basically a bracket
Speaker 1: challenge like you do for March Madness, but instead it's
Speaker 1: with the NFL Draft. And so of course us being
Speaker 1: the Draft Show, we're gonna all submit, not even just
Speaker 1: these hosts and Bucky Brooks. We're gonna also do it
Speaker 1: with Dave, We're gonna do it with Kat, We're gonna
Speaker 1: do it with Jeff as well. But every one of
Speaker 1: us are gonna submit a sheet of all ten picks
Speaker 1: and what we think are going to happen. Brian, we're
Speaker 1: gonna let you start things offense. I do I actually
Speaker 1: really like your ten picks and what you what direction
Speaker 1: you ended up going there. We're trying to guess exactly
Speaker 1: what the Cowboys are going to do, not necessarily what
Speaker 1: we would do. But Brian, what did you have in
Speaker 1: terms of your first round pick traffic? Yeah, I went
Speaker 1: with my first round pick. I went with Patrick Certan
Speaker 1: is who I went with. I just feel like though
Speaker 1: that if you know, there's a there's a couple of
Speaker 1: different ways this draft could go, depending on what happens
Speaker 1: with pits, with depending on what happens with the offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: But I just feel like that at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, they're going to take the best player for them.
Speaker 1: They're going to take the steady player. They're going to
Speaker 1: take the guy that they feel like that they could
Speaker 1: plug in and make that starter. And you know, and
Speaker 1: we all talked about it, uh you know, really about
Speaker 1: what type of player he is, you know, And I
Speaker 1: think at the end of the day, that's what you
Speaker 1: want to do. You just want to get the guy
Speaker 1: that best fits what you can do. But it also
Speaker 1: allows you to, uh, you know, to to hit a need,
Speaker 1: uh you know, a big need for this team with
Speaker 1: that secondary. So to my opinion, Patrick Surtan will be
Speaker 1: that guy. As the Cowboys pick at their number ten,
Speaker 1: I went with uh TCUs. I went with Morick the
Speaker 1: safety from TCU as my second guy. I went with
Speaker 1: Dunce at at offensive town. I went and got your
Speaker 1: North Dakota State. I went and got my North Dakota
Speaker 1: State guy. I went and got my defensive tackle McNeil
Speaker 1: from from North Carolina's state there at ninety nine. I
Speaker 1: went and got a defensive end with Snowden from Virginia
Speaker 1: at four one fifteen. I went and got a linebacker,
Speaker 1: Rice from Georgia at one thirty eight, Hawker the guard
Speaker 1: from Texas A and M at one seventy nine. And
Speaker 1: then I kind of went on a flyer here at
Speaker 1: one ninety two. I went with Adams, the wide receiver
Speaker 1: from Arkansas state of six two, type of a player. There.
Speaker 1: I went with Lenor the corner from Oregon at the
Speaker 1: two twenty seven, and then carry Vincent, my LSU guy
Speaker 1: at two thirty nine. So I tried to help the
Speaker 1: defense with some mixed in some of those offensive players
Speaker 1: that we were talking about. Dame, whenever you look at
Speaker 1: what brought us, just did now run through it again,
Speaker 1: Sir Tan marrig Radunce, McNeil, Snowden, Rice, Hawker, Adams, Lenore Vincent.
Speaker 1: So that's the ten straight up and down. Well, one
Speaker 1: thing that stuck out to me was going to get
Speaker 1: in that edge rusher in the fourth round. And it's
Speaker 1: always tough to try and find an edge rusher going
Speaker 1: into Day three of the draft. But with Snowden from Virginia,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a guy who has some high upside.
Speaker 1: He's got fantastic length, got great size. What does he
Speaker 1: bring to the table if the Cowboys were looking for
Speaker 1: an edge rusher maybe on Day three's he's fascinating because
Speaker 1: the way you set it up, he's he's really tall,
Speaker 1: he's really he looks like a basketball player, and that's
Speaker 1: what he was most of his life. That he thought
Speaker 1: he was going to be playing in the NBA one
Speaker 1: day and now he's getting ready to be an NFL
Speaker 1: draft pick coming off a major injury. So that is
Speaker 1: a factor here. And just you know, the medical is
Speaker 1: being clean and you know, trusting where he is in
Speaker 1: his rehab. But six three and a half two hundred
Speaker 1: forty five pounds, a really fluid mover, a guy that
Speaker 1: can play on the edge. You know, power you kind
Speaker 1: of worry about, you know, does he he has thirty
Speaker 1: five in charms, but can he use that to his advantage.
Speaker 1: Can he weaponize his hands. That's where I think he
Speaker 1: needs to really grow to become a full time NFL contributor.
Speaker 1: But you love how fluid he is in space, He
Speaker 1: shows up in the backfield. He has over thirty cackles
Speaker 1: for a loss in his career. There's just a lot
Speaker 1: to like about his recognition, skills, his fluid athleticism, his length.
Speaker 1: So we got it? What is it the fourth round?
Speaker 1: Or to me? Yeah, and Dane, where where I where?
Speaker 1: I have a problem with how this player was used.
Speaker 1: I don't think there was a bigger misuse of a
Speaker 1: player than this kid. I mean, I'm watching him in
Speaker 1: that three or four I'm watching him drop. He's you know, dropping,
Speaker 1: he's playing a coverage and then but when he's rushing,
Speaker 1: You're like going, Okay, he's got something here, He's got
Speaker 1: something going on here. So I thought the Virginia coaches,
Speaker 1: you know that they did. I thought they did a
Speaker 1: really poor job of using or playing to his skill.
Speaker 1: And I understand, you know, Bronco Mendenhall and what they're
Speaker 1: trying to do their Virginia, But man, this kid, I
Speaker 1: think if you get his hand on the ground and
Speaker 1: let him rush, you're gonna you can find a guy
Speaker 1: that can maybe be a little bit of a special
Speaker 1: player here. I like it. I question if he has
Speaker 1: the power to do that consistently, but I do think
Speaker 1: if you're able to weaponize his hands, then I think
Speaker 1: you're right, you might find a guy that's gonna really
Speaker 1: out play that draft spot brought us. What made you
Speaker 1: go with where a Dunce at the third third round pick?
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a guy, of course, out of
Speaker 1: North Dakota State, that was a uh that was a
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl guy, really kind of impressed during his time there.
Speaker 1: But why why did you go that direction whenever? I
Speaker 1: mean there could be some other guys potentially in that
Speaker 1: same realm at the third round, seventy fifth pick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, now we are a couple of
Speaker 1: guys that I kind of thought about. You know, I
Speaker 1: thought about Smith from East Carolina. I just wanted to
Speaker 1: go with an offensive tackle. Forsyth is another guy from
Speaker 1: Florida that's a big guy. I just kind of went
Speaker 1: on the thought that maybe here's a guy that's really
Speaker 1: kind of young. I mean when you talk about where
Speaker 1: where he's come from, you know, I was looking forward,
Speaker 1: the guy that's got the traits that could grow and
Speaker 1: can develop and stuff like that. Maybe some of these
Speaker 1: offensive line and Smith from East Carolina is could have
Speaker 1: been one of those guys, but a little bit of
Speaker 1: a lighter guy, you know. I just wanted to grab
Speaker 1: that that developmental offensive tackle at that spot and then
Speaker 1: hope that like, Okay, maybe you can work with him.
Speaker 1: You put strength on him, and then he kind of
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to play initially, but with the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: you never know, he might get thrown in in week three,
Speaker 1: you know. But I just liked with Redunds. I just
Speaker 1: liked the makeup of him, and I like how he
Speaker 1: handled himself, you know, and all the opportunities that he got. Dan,
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on the North Dakota State tackle?
Speaker 1: You know, I wasn't thrilled with him on tape. I
Speaker 1: gave him a fourth round grade just based off of
Speaker 1: the tape. I thought there were some balance issues, you know,
Speaker 1: some some play strength issues, but he swayed me at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl watching him during practice, I thought he
Speaker 1: did a really nice job and I gave him a
Speaker 1: little bit of bump in my rankings and just just
Speaker 1: based off of those what he did and seeing him
Speaker 1: a person, seeing him move, the mirroring skills I thought
Speaker 1: were really good, and so what Dylan Raidens was able
Speaker 1: to do, I bumped him up to seventy four overall
Speaker 1: on my board. I still a little worried about just
Speaker 1: how overaggressive he can be and how that leads to
Speaker 1: some balance issues. But I think he's instinctive. I love
Speaker 1: the demeanor that he plays with. He's really it has
Speaker 1: that nasty temperament that you want. He'll get after it
Speaker 1: in the run game. There's no question about that thirty
Speaker 1: four inch arms. But I know some teams even view
Speaker 1: him as a better guard at the next level, which
Speaker 1: I think is debatable. So but I do think that
Speaker 1: you know you're trying him a tackle, and you know
Speaker 1: a guy that might give you some versatility. So we
Speaker 1: took him at seventy five, so yeah, right around where
Speaker 1: I have him too, So I think it makes sense
Speaker 1: there are going to be some tackles in that third round,
Speaker 1: fourth round that at least could be developmental. I like
Speaker 1: Radunds too, brought us. I'm right there with you. He's
Speaker 1: my fifth offensive tackle or excuse me, sixth offensive tackle
Speaker 1: on the board behind Tevin Jing. But there's a I
Speaker 1: mean there's a massive gap between those two guys, and
Speaker 1: I think Redunds is one of those that could fall
Speaker 1: and be one of the developmental pieces. We've got Bucky
Speaker 1: Brooks as a part of the show. Now, Bucky, welcome in.
Speaker 1: Glad you're able to join us seven days before the
Speaker 1: NFL Draft. Are you excited? I can see the smile
Speaker 1: on your face. You have that nervous wave though, Well,
Speaker 1: I'm exciting until I look over and I see Brian
Speaker 1: brought us, who is in full draft mode because right
Speaker 1: now everything is negative Nancy like he's shaking his head.
Speaker 1: He's not necessarily happy. He wants to figure out a
Speaker 1: way because he doesn't feel like he has enough picks
Speaker 1: to get the thing done. So that that's what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: I'm over here looking at Brian brought us because I
Speaker 1: am one that I would just trade array. I think
Speaker 1: we can get it done with five picks. We don't
Speaker 1: need all these picks that Brian is over here hoarding. Well,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, you know, what if you wouldn't
Speaker 1: spend so much time on TV, you know, you figure
Speaker 1: out how to use all those picks. You know, we
Speaker 1: don't need all these picks, all those extra picks that
Speaker 1: you're accumulating. You just hoarding them all. Hey, I worked
Speaker 1: hard to get these picks, man. I had to give
Speaker 1: up some players to get these extra picks, so you know, hey,
Speaker 1: I'll do what I have to do. I love it now, Briant. Okay, guys,
Speaker 1: Brian a question, right question with his mock. Uh did J. C.
Speaker 1: Horne come into consideration at all for you at number ten?
Speaker 1: It's interesting you look at the betting odds of who's
Speaker 1: gonna be the first defended drafted, and Certain is the
Speaker 1: clear favorite. Quitty pays right behind him, and then Horn
Speaker 1: is an interesting one. Could could you can see? Is
Speaker 1: it possible that the Cowboys would uh prefer Horn over Certain?
Speaker 1: Do you think that's a possibility for this team? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and I do, And I went I went
Speaker 1: to safe route, is what I did because of the
Speaker 1: ten pick me. Personally, I'd love for them to pick Horn.
Speaker 1: I wish I had the guts to just pick Horn
Speaker 1: for them. I think there's a there's a genuine relationship
Speaker 1: between Dan Quinn and Will must Champ, and I think
Speaker 1: they're going to know everything in the book about JC
Speaker 1: Horn and what he brings, and everybody will tell you though,
Speaker 1: well he holds, he does this, he does that. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what though, I have him above Certan. I
Speaker 1: just kind of feel like that the Cowboys, when you
Speaker 1: and knowing those guys for that particular pick, they're going
Speaker 1: to try and get the steadiest player there. They might
Speaker 1: not try and hit the home the home run would
Speaker 1: be if Pitts was there. You know, that would be
Speaker 1: the home run for them. Take Pitts, move on, We've got,
Speaker 1: like Bucky was saying, you've got all these other picks,
Speaker 1: you'll figure out what defensive players. Me personally, I would
Speaker 1: have taken Horn if it was me. But I think
Speaker 1: for them and trying to pick what they were going
Speaker 1: to do, I felt like that they were going to
Speaker 1: go the safer, the surer route with that particular pick. Question. Brand, So,
Speaker 1: what is the thing with you, Like, what is it
Speaker 1: about jac Horne that you like more than Patrick Sertan?
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's the To me, Bucky, I'm
Speaker 1: always like really edgy players, and I think there's some
Speaker 1: edgy this to this guy. I think Sir Tan is
Speaker 1: to me, you know, when you watch him play, everything
Speaker 1: is it seems like everything is in control, you know,
Speaker 1: the pedal, the turn, the play, I mean, everything is conturned.
Speaker 1: With Horn, there's a little bit of chaos. But football.
Speaker 1: Football is not always a perfect game, and sometimes you
Speaker 1: have to have players that have chaos in their life
Speaker 1: and chaos the way they play. And I think that's
Speaker 1: where I think that's where Horn steps it up for me.
Speaker 1: I you know, when when he's covering and and my
Speaker 1: top fifty one or top one hundred or top three hundred,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to say, Pits is my second best
Speaker 1: player on that board, and I'm watching Horn cover Pits
Speaker 1: and Pits is looking at him like get off me,
Speaker 1: you know that kind of thing, like he's He's like,
Speaker 1: get away from me, you know. And that when I
Speaker 1: was watching that, I'm thinking, this kid gets it, this
Speaker 1: kid gets it. And again I want that guy. I
Speaker 1: want that type of player. But I just think that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys will probably take the safer path than taking
Speaker 1: a guy that, again that likes chaos. I think it's
Speaker 1: interesting that you talk about like the chaos or whatever.
Speaker 1: I will say. I agree with you about the edginess.
Speaker 1: I do believe his superpower won the best trace his
Speaker 1: competitiveness and his physicality, and in the right environment, it
Speaker 1: absolutely could be a tone setter for the the boys
Speaker 1: want to get down like that on defense, like I
Speaker 1: know Dan Quinn back in the Legion of Boom days,
Speaker 1: when you have Richard Sherman and Earl Thomas and all
Speaker 1: those guys, it's a collection of edgy guys. And so
Speaker 1: it does he want to be a zookeeper again where
Speaker 1: he's having to rain those guys in or do they
Speaker 1: want to steady eddy players. I think that is what
Speaker 1: is unknown, because I really don't have a sense for
Speaker 1: what McCarthy wants the coach of the team to be.
Speaker 1: And I think that's a great point because I think
Speaker 1: there's a debate right now going on between the scouting
Speaker 1: department and the coaching staff across the hall from where
Speaker 1: we are. I think the scouting department is looking at
Speaker 1: Patrick R. Tan Brian and saying exactly what you just
Speaker 1: did and saying that he's in control, he's fundamentally sound,
Speaker 1: he's a good player. Overall, you're gonna you know what
Speaker 1: you're getting out of Patrick's r Tan. But then you've
Speaker 1: got this coaching staff that wants some dogs that wants
Speaker 1: some of that mentality. They want that extra edginess to
Speaker 1: finally put themselves over the top. Because you could say
Speaker 1: the same thing about Certain that you did about Digs
Speaker 1: right where it's fundamentally sound, there's a lot to grow on.
Speaker 1: He's gonna get burned from time to time, but ultimately
Speaker 1: he's a good player. He's got a high floor, whereas
Speaker 1: jac Horne is a different beast and it's a different
Speaker 1: player just like that. And I don't know if you
Speaker 1: necessarily agree with that sentiment, but I feel like that's
Speaker 1: probably the debate that's going on across the hall from here.
Speaker 1: You know, there's there's yeah, there's certain, there's certain. There's
Speaker 1: certain scouts over there that they're like me, They're like,
Speaker 1: give me this guy that's super competitive and all that,
Speaker 1: you know, And I think you have to wonder a
Speaker 1: little bit about Certan. Is he going Is he what
Speaker 1: he is as we watch him and evaluate him, which
Speaker 1: is a really is a good player. But is he
Speaker 1: at that level where he's going to be? Is he
Speaker 1: going to get better? You know? Or is you know,
Speaker 1: we're seeing the finished product at Alabama that's playing in
Speaker 1: national championship games and playoff games and win in sec titles.
Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with that. But I think with Horn
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of that intrigue that like, man,
Speaker 1: you could go get you a guy that could be
Speaker 1: one of the top guys for a while, just because
Speaker 1: of the the edginess and that and that kind of
Speaker 1: that demeanor that he has that you know he gets
Speaker 1: mad when you catch the ball on him. I mean,
Speaker 1: he you could tell he gets mad him give me
Speaker 1: that guy. I kind of liked that, But again, I
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys should go in another way. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: and the other thing too is and I mentioned this before,
Speaker 1: but the South Carolina coaches just that they rave about
Speaker 1: since the day he showed up as a true freshman,
Speaker 1: how he was part of the culture should not even
Speaker 1: part of it. He was leading the culture change there. Um.
Speaker 1: And he's not as brash as his dad. He's not
Speaker 1: gonna pull a cell phone out of his sock. But
Speaker 1: he is not afraid to speak up. He is not
Speaker 1: afraid to be the loudest voice in the room when
Speaker 1: he needs to be. He's not gonna go out of
Speaker 1: his way. It's not you know, it's not forced. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, but he is not afraid to speak up.
Speaker 1: It'd be a part of being the difference. And I
Speaker 1: think that's that's something that's going to factor in when
Speaker 1: you talk about these corners as well. Uh, if if
Speaker 1: Farley was if Farley wasn't dealing with the back issue
Speaker 1: brought us, how would you rank those three? Like, how
Speaker 1: would you have those three in order? Horn certant and
Speaker 1: what I've what I've gathered a little bit, Guys, if
Speaker 1: I could help you here is people believe that Farley
Speaker 1: can rehab his back. They are worried about longevity questions there.
Speaker 1: But I'll say this, I was on a staff that
Speaker 1: didn't draft Larry Allen because they fail. We failed him
Speaker 1: on a rotator cup on her shoulder project. I was
Speaker 1: on it. I was on I drafted and again I
Speaker 1: don't mean I, but in Philadelphia we drafted Jeremiah Trotter.
Speaker 1: I had a doctor tell me, I don't know if
Speaker 1: he's going to play ten games for ten years. I
Speaker 1: think he played thirteen years is what he did. So
Speaker 1: again I'm not saying scout should put dr period in
Speaker 1: front of their name, but somebody in the organization. I'll
Speaker 1: give another example. Sean Rogers was a player at the
Speaker 1: University of Texas was a defensive tackle second round pick
Speaker 1: by the Detroit Lions. I'll never forget Jerry Jones in
Speaker 1: that meeting going to Jim Mauer, the trainer. It goes,
Speaker 1: tell me why I can't draft this guy again? Please
Speaker 1: tell me why I can't draft this guy again. So
Speaker 1: these doctors, these trainers, they're giving you their best view
Speaker 1: on these guys. You know, we'll see maybe this kid
Speaker 1: doesn't doesn't have another problem, or maybe he's got a
Speaker 1: chronic back issue. Though that's the sad thing that's going
Speaker 1: on right now that we're trying to figure out as
Speaker 1: we go forward here. All right, we've got about five
Speaker 1: minutes to hit this next mock draft. Who wants to
Speaker 1: go next? Bucky Dane who has their seven round Cowboys
Speaker 1: mock ready to roll. I mean I can talk about
Speaker 1: it either way for him. I mean, like, okay, so,
Speaker 1: being a big school snob that I am, uh, you
Speaker 1: won't see many you won't hear many directional schools or
Speaker 1: anything like that, No far out things or whatever like.
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking I'm thinking at ten, we're gonna go
Speaker 1: Patrick's ten with Alabama. I've seen a lot of baseball
Speaker 1: games one, when you just hit singles and doubles, you
Speaker 1: don't always have to hit it to park to win games.
Speaker 1: At forty four, I'm going with Carlos boogie bashing because
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be sitting there like a blinking light.
Speaker 1: I like his athleticism, his urgency, and versatility. I think
Speaker 1: he has a chance to be a really, really good player.
Speaker 1: Seventy five, I'm gonna get us a playmaker at the
Speaker 1: second level. How about Chace a Rod from North Carolina.
Speaker 1: Not talked about enough. He is someone because I go
Speaker 1: back and I think about the Cowboys taking Bruce Carter.
Speaker 1: The Chace a Rod has more athleticism, is a more
Speaker 1: dynamic player than Bruce Carter was at that time. It's
Speaker 1: funny in the third round at ninety nine, you guys
Speaker 1: talked about the guy that I have circled that I
Speaker 1: think would be a great fit, and that's Deonta Smith
Speaker 1: from East Carolina. I'm just thinking inside, trying to prepare
Speaker 1: for the future. When you have Connor Williams who could
Speaker 1: depart after next year, that could be a fit. I'm
Speaker 1: thinking in the fourth round, and it's funny because this
Speaker 1: guy has some buzz when we were coming out of
Speaker 1: the senior bolting, but he's kind of falling down the
Speaker 1: ranks a little bit. If James Huston is somewhere there
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, I think you have to take an
Speaker 1: offensive tackle. His athleticism as a one year player coming
Speaker 1: out of Michigan, to me intrigues me. So I'm all
Speaker 1: about him at the fourth round if he's available. I
Speaker 1: think this is going to make Brian brod Is spit
Speaker 1: up in his mouth when I say this, but I'm
Speaker 1: okay with it. In the fourth round. Sean Wade, Sean
Speaker 1: Wade intrigues me, not only as a nickel corner, but
Speaker 1: potentially as a safety. And when I think about what
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn was able to do with Demante Kazi coming
Speaker 1: out of San Diego State, a guy who had like
Speaker 1: seventeen or eighteen interceptions, he ended up putting him as
Speaker 1: a center field player. Maybe Sean Wade is a pick
Speaker 1: is a flyer at that point in the fifth round.
Speaker 1: If I don't like Sean Wade as that transition guy,
Speaker 1: I double up because Andre Cisco coming off to ACL
Speaker 1: is there. When you think about guys who get their
Speaker 1: hands on the ball, they always get their hands on
Speaker 1: the balls in the pros man thirteen interceptions in twenty
Speaker 1: fourth career games. That's remarkable wol production. I'm going that
Speaker 1: sixth round. I'm thinking Kaye Johnson wide receiver, just in
Speaker 1: case we don't know what we're gonna get with Michael
Speaker 1: Gallup after this year. Maybe kay Johnson can slip in.
Speaker 1: And I forgot to talk about moving up and down,
Speaker 1: but I gave away some of those picks that you
Speaker 1: worry about in the seventh round because I want to
Speaker 1: make sure that I got those guys on my list.
Speaker 1: So that's what I got for You brought us. You
Speaker 1: can have bad because I know you would have added
Speaker 1: like eight or nine more seventh round picks because you
Speaker 1: covered those at the bottom. I do thank you for mentioning.
Speaker 1: You know what, I'll say this, Bucky, I honestly don't
Speaker 1: have a problem with what you just did. And I
Speaker 1: like your explanation of Wade. I really do. This is
Speaker 1: a league where you got to put guys on the
Speaker 1: field that can cover Some of his most productive days
Speaker 1: were played in the slot. You just got to find
Speaker 1: a way to reach the kid right there. And I
Speaker 1: like what you said about the transition from corner to safety.
Speaker 1: We saw with Kaze out of San Diego State back
Speaker 1: in the day. And I'll tell you what, man, this
Speaker 1: was a guy that I know, if you follow Dane
Speaker 1: Burglar like we all do, Dane initially had a guy
Speaker 1: like Wade is one of the top corners, and then
Speaker 1: things happened along the way. But I like what you
Speaker 1: did with that. I the Sharat pick at three, though,
Speaker 1: that one, that was the one that bothered me a
Speaker 1: little bit, you know, because I don't know if I'm
Speaker 1: working on a conversion right there. You know, a former quarterback,
Speaker 1: you know, athlete. I get it and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: But if I'm if I'm gonna do something like that,
Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna do it in the fourth or fifth round.
Speaker 1: I'm probably not gonna do it in the third like
Speaker 1: you did. But I don't have a problem other than
Speaker 1: that with what you did. The only reason, the only
Speaker 1: reason I think Sarat would be more valued in the
Speaker 1: Cowboys draft room than others is because when you look
Speaker 1: at DQ and the guys that he took, like Dionne
Speaker 1: Jones was a guy that I don't know if people
Speaker 1: necessarily thought would be that run around, second level playmaker
Speaker 1: or whatever, there's other guys. I think they took Duke
Speaker 1: Riley at the Falcons two for a minute, trying to
Speaker 1: find that undersized guy that is kind of like that
Speaker 1: hybrid nickel player I think for sir rot and annoying
Speaker 1: those within the program talking about the transition or whatever,
Speaker 1: like this is a dude who in high school was
Speaker 1: like a three sports star, like he and his brother
Speaker 1: could do anything they wanted to do. And so you
Speaker 1: talk about making the unique move from quarterback to linebacker.
Speaker 1: One speaks to your mentality because most quarterbacks don't say, hey,
Speaker 1: you know what I want to do. I want to
Speaker 1: go where it's the noisiest and that's where I want
Speaker 1: to go play. And I just think in a defense
Speaker 1: where he could be covered up a little bit with
Speaker 1: bodies up front and they're looking for a guy that
Speaker 1: can run and chase athletically, he could get on the field,
Speaker 1: and as they're currently constructed, I could see his ability
Speaker 1: to move around and cover could make Jalen Smith get
Speaker 1: off the field. Although it's obvious passing that like looking
Speaker 1: for your true nickel linebacker. I mean, I know you
Speaker 1: hate directional schools and stuff, but you should have looked
Speaker 1: at the kid Malone from Western Kentucky. That's the type
Speaker 1: of guy that's a freakish, relentless athlete. Did they play
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. Did they play on Saturdays or Fridays? Because
Speaker 1: I only watched, only watched college football on Saturdays. I
Speaker 1: just remember that Walter Payton went to school I believe
Speaker 1: in Jackson State, Jerry Rice in Mississippi Valley, I think
Speaker 1: is where he went. I'm trying to think. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to think of some more Hall of Fame type guys
Speaker 1: that went to schools that Bucky that you didn't want
Speaker 1: to go didn't you didn't that you didn't want to
Speaker 1: go to I'm just some would have told me that
Speaker 1: Ron told me, Hey, there's no question shot at the big,
Speaker 1: big applying store. Don't go around to the mom and pops.
Speaker 1: What Ron Wolfe would tell you, And you know this
Speaker 1: more better than most. If you're from one of these places,
Speaker 1: you better walk on water. That's what Ron would say.
Speaker 1: You better be a guy that walks on water. In
Speaker 1: small visions of Tadpole running in my m how about
Speaker 1: how about Cameron mccron. How about mccron from Michigan. Then
Speaker 1: how about Okay Dane m wrong about mcgron, the linebacker
Speaker 1: from Michigan. Yes, as long as the knees. Okay, speed
Speaker 1: is the name of his game. He's quick. He his
Speaker 1: reactive quickness is outstanding. As long as the knee checks out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that you're getting good value. I don't know
Speaker 1: about the third, but fourth, fifth, Yeah, that's uh, that's
Speaker 1: actually why I have in my mock going to the Cowboys. Wow.
Speaker 1: There you go. Wow, Hey, Brian read Dane's mind. How
Speaker 1: about that. I love this conversation, except for whenever Bucky
Speaker 1: was taking shots at the conference to say that's the school.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's my conference. That's conference. I had to
Speaker 1: take a shot at conference. He took a shot at Lestern, Kentucky. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's conference, saying if they're playing on Fridays, Hey, Bucky,
Speaker 1: because it comes to games on Friday nights, you could
Speaker 1: have taken You could have taken one of those North
Speaker 1: Carolina you get to taken with those North Carolina running
Speaker 1: backs to get you with Carolina guy in you know,
Speaker 1: don't don't feel bad, it's okay. I passed. I passed
Speaker 1: on Das Knew, so I didn't take daw L. They
Speaker 1: could double up. I can make fun of what you
Speaker 1: just said so much, But the only ESPN game that
Speaker 1: I've called for like a football game was a Conference
Speaker 1: USA game, and guess what it was on a Friday night.
Speaker 1: So I guess I can't really say a whole lot.
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and take our first break when we
Speaker 1: come back. We're gonna hit some Twitter on the twenty questions,
Speaker 1: We'll get the Danes ten or I guess ten picks
Speaker 1: seven round mock Nate Newton walking by the studio at
Speaker 1: the moment. But we're gonna take our first break when
Speaker 1: we come back, Twitter on the twenty. Here on the
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Speaker 1: at Brian brought us name Bruglar Key Brooks, I'm Kyle
Speaker 1: Yeoman's and well, gentlemen, it's time now for some Twitter
Speaker 1: on the twenty Twitter on the Twitter Chris Beam as
Speaker 1: always doing fantastic work in the back and well, I
Speaker 1: do want to give a quick shout out for all
Speaker 1: of the fans that put Twitter questions up On Tuesday.
Speaker 1: We did an entire show full of Twitter on the
Speaker 1: twenty questions and it was a lot of fun. Got
Speaker 1: to a ton of them. But I want to ask
Speaker 1: this question because I feel like we've we've gone back
Speaker 1: and forth on this and why is this has kind
Speaker 1: of been one of those debates that have been raging
Speaker 1: amongst Cowboys Nation. But Cowboys Underscore Braves on Twitter. That's
Speaker 1: the Twitter handle, So I guess they're big Atlanta and
Speaker 1: Dallas fan at the same time. Why do you think
Speaker 1: Micah Parsons would be a bad pick at pick number ten?
Speaker 1: What are his knocks? He seems like a complete linebacker.
Speaker 1: We've talked about a lot of Micah Parsons, but Bucky.
Speaker 1: Why would he not be the ideal pick at pick
Speaker 1: number ten or why could he be? I actually think
Speaker 1: he would be the ideal pick. I think if you
Speaker 1: look at a second level of shop wrecker, I think
Speaker 1: he can do that. I know I'm a little impacted
Speaker 1: by my interactions with him as a high school and
Speaker 1: going up and continue to talk to him or whatever,
Speaker 1: but I will say this about him as a player,
Speaker 1: unique combination of strength, power and explosiveness. Probably the best
Speaker 1: blitzer that I've seen, and sometimes in terms of his
Speaker 1: ability to get from point A to point B in
Speaker 1: a hurry and he's completely disrupted. Now. I think if
Speaker 1: your locker room has enough maturity around it where he
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily have to step into the leadership role, I
Speaker 1: think he will thrive in that environment. But if you're tasked,
Speaker 1: if you're asking him to be the leader to point
Speaker 1: on the sword, I don't know if he's ready for that,
Speaker 1: even though his game suggests he could be an all
Speaker 1: star player. Yeah, I think Bucky's absolutely right. And the
Speaker 1: more old Krusty's like Bucky that I talked to around
Speaker 1: the league. People are starting to feel more comfortable with
Speaker 1: the player. And what's happened is the player is starting
Speaker 1: to admit as a young man that he had some
Speaker 1: maturity issues. And Bucky's right about we could all watch
Speaker 1: the tape and see what he brings as a player.
Speaker 1: The questions we're going to be about the maturity and
Speaker 1: then okay, what happened with the hazing thing? You know,
Speaker 1: those were the things. But it appears that scouts are
Speaker 1: far more comfortable with the player now. I know that
Speaker 1: we talked about him initially as a guy in the
Speaker 1: top ten and then he fell out of all that,
Speaker 1: but yeah, we're starting to starting to see him in
Speaker 1: that mode. I think Bucky's absolutely right. If they don't
Speaker 1: take a cornerback at ten and they're taking a defensive player,
Speaker 1: this kid could be could very well be the pick
Speaker 1: because they're feeling more comfortable with him. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: think that. I don't agree with anybody that's had to
Speaker 1: be a bad pick. I think it's fair to call
Speaker 1: it a risky pick. I think that's fair when you
Speaker 1: factor in everything. You know the background, so there's a
Speaker 1: decision making because you know, Michael Parsons could be your
Speaker 1: you know, typical twenty twenty one year old who you know,
Speaker 1: just like I'm sure all of us made some immature
Speaker 1: decisions in the past but grew out of it and
Speaker 1: became responsible adults. He could absolutely take that pack, or
Speaker 1: could be something like some other guys who are immature
Speaker 1: in their youth and never really grow out of that.
Speaker 1: You know. There's just there's no crystal ball here, and
Speaker 1: I think some teams will be more comfortable with him
Speaker 1: than others. I think you look at the Lions at seven,
Speaker 1: That's that's where I think you start to consider Michael
Speaker 1: Persons as a possibility. Um. But you know, there's too
Speaker 1: much talent there, you know, like you guys are saying,
Speaker 1: there's the talent. Wise, I don't understand, you know, why
Speaker 1: he's a top ten talent in this class. I think
Speaker 1: I'm very confused by a lot of people who are
Speaker 1: not on board with just the talent the football player.
Speaker 1: I get the off field concerns, the risk, but on
Speaker 1: the field there's a lot going for him. You guys
Speaker 1: said it better than I could have even put it.
Speaker 1: But it's not a bad pick. It's just not to
Speaker 1: pick that we want or not to pick that we're
Speaker 1: excited about it. And I've had this conversation on other
Speaker 1: shows that I've been on as well about I really
Speaker 1: like Michael Parsons. He's still my top linebacker on my board.
Speaker 1: I like him as a player. There's just concerns and
Speaker 1: question marks around him specifically either on the field and
Speaker 1: off the field, that have me concerned going into the draft.
Speaker 1: Whereas other guys like a JC Hornpatricks or Tan those
Speaker 1: question marks just aren't as high. And that's basically what
Speaker 1: I think about Michael Parsons. Okay, this question I really
Speaker 1: intrigued me. And this comes from Clay Slocum on Twitter
Speaker 1: and he says, as scouts, how much time do you
Speaker 1: spend reviewing past draft notes, so other draft notes from
Speaker 1: other drafts? Do you do you ever find patterns that
Speaker 1: you may be getting right or wrong in your analysis
Speaker 1: of those past notes? Brian, Yeah. The thing you have
Speaker 1: to know if if you work for the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: is you have a general manager. It's not a traditional
Speaker 1: general manager when it comes to going out and evaluating
Speaker 1: players like you could play a game on Sunday on Monday.
Speaker 1: A lot of general managers review the tape on Tuesday,
Speaker 1: they're on the road scouting. So what you have to
Speaker 1: do is you have to be able to explain to
Speaker 1: a guy like Jerry Jones who he's looking at when
Speaker 1: you compare another player somebody maybe was two, three, four
Speaker 1: years ago, that he understands that he's playing in the league.
Speaker 1: So you find yourself a lot of time working for
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys coming up with guys that you previously
Speaker 1: saw in order to help him along. I reviewed draft
Speaker 1: notes all the time. I'm so interested in what I
Speaker 1: thought of a particular player, and so yeah, it's something
Speaker 1: that that's the only way you get better because you
Speaker 1: want to be able to say, oh, this player reminds
Speaker 1: me of this guy that I saw. Well, you brand
Speaker 1: up most important trait for an evaluator, the ability to
Speaker 1: be a self evaluator. You have to understand what you
Speaker 1: missed on what you got right. I think that helps
Speaker 1: you grow as as a scout to understand, Okay, I
Speaker 1: missed this about because you're going to miss that. That's
Speaker 1: part of It's almost like you know, you're a hitter
Speaker 1: in baseball, You're going to you know, get out if
Speaker 1: you get on base four out of ten times you're
Speaker 1: doing a heck of a job, and so with an
Speaker 1: evaluator it's not quite the same. But you know you're
Speaker 1: going to miss on some of these players, and it's
Speaker 1: important to understand why did we miss Is it something
Speaker 1: I missed on tape? Is it maybe I was valuing
Speaker 1: a trait more so than I should have. And so
Speaker 1: each position is a puzzle. And as the game evolves,
Speaker 1: so does you're scouting, and so the ability to be
Speaker 1: a self evaluator is critical for every single scout out
Speaker 1: there to understand their strengths and weaknesses as they scout
Speaker 1: this game. You know, I love where both of you
Speaker 1: guys mentioned. I think, Brian, you bring up something that
Speaker 1: I think is maybe missed you sometimes on ours part,
Speaker 1: and that's the comparisons. I think people fans get annoyed
Speaker 1: by comparisons. Players get annoyed. But what we're trying to
Speaker 1: do is paint a picture for the coach, for the
Speaker 1: general manager. This is who this player could be, This
Speaker 1: is who he reminds me of. This is maybe a
Speaker 1: starting point or an ending point in terms of where
Speaker 1: he could evolve and get to. And dame your point
Speaker 1: about being able to self assess be self critical, and
Speaker 1: then continue to expand your horizon as an evaluator, the
Speaker 1: game has constantly changed. If you could have told me
Speaker 1: ten years ago that a Lamar Jackson would be at
Speaker 1: MVP level quarterback or that Josh Allen could go from
Speaker 1: his struggles at Wyoming to being a high end quarterback,
Speaker 1: I never would have believed you because we had never
Speaker 1: seen anybody do those things at the position that Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson and Josh Allen have done and have success. And
Speaker 1: so now as an evaluator, you have to be able
Speaker 1: to evolve as you are evaluating the position, and I
Speaker 1: think the great evaluators always able to admit, Hey, I
Speaker 1: didn't used to think about it this way, but now
Speaker 1: I have to think about it in a different way
Speaker 1: because I'm seeing guys have success in the league. And
Speaker 1: so I can either stay back here in the nineties
Speaker 1: or I can move up to the twenty twenties and
Speaker 1: say that the game is different, and the athletes playing
Speaker 1: the game successfully are also different, and I need to
Speaker 1: greet accordingly. Yeah, Bucky's absolutely right about that. Like you know,
Speaker 1: twenty years ago, when when sat In drafted hims, you
Speaker 1: would have never believed that a guy like Kyler Murray
Speaker 1: was going to go first. Overall, he just wasn't gonna happen.
Speaker 1: You know. I mean that there were so many things
Speaker 1: that were against certain types of players, whether it's the
Speaker 1: measurables whatever, But yeah, I mean you have to be
Speaker 1: able to evolve as the game, as the processes have
Speaker 1: evolved as well. Kind of sticking along the lines of
Speaker 1: the linebacker talk that we had and then what Bucky
Speaker 1: just said a moment ago about how different prospects are
Speaker 1: kind of the that's all rage right now in the
Speaker 1: twenty twenties, Zaven Collins, this is a question from Cowboys
Speaker 1: Coffee talk. Dane mentioned Cowboys interest in the past. Is
Speaker 1: there any indication if they see him as a sam
Speaker 1: linebacker or maybe purely as an edge. He asked this
Speaker 1: question because he has reserves about the twenty or excuse me,
Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy pound linebacker himself. Dane, Cowboys interest there,
Speaker 1: But where would they put him? Well, that's the question,
Speaker 1: what's the fit? And really really interesting. Albert Breer tweeted
Speaker 1: yesterday that when Zaven Collins went for his medicals in Indianapolis,
Speaker 1: weighed in at two hundred and seventy pounds. That is fascinated.
Speaker 1: He was two fifty pro day and seventy pounds. I mean, well,
Speaker 1: and where my thought process goes is, Okay, which team
Speaker 1: told him you're you would be an edge rusher for us,
Speaker 1: you would be a defensive end for us, because why
Speaker 1: else are you putting on eleven pounds? You know, you
Speaker 1: hope it's not a neglect or you know, he he's
Speaker 1: just uh putting the you know, the foot off the
Speaker 1: pedal in terms of his working work, working out. But
Speaker 1: my assumption would be there's a team that said, you know,
Speaker 1: we really like you as an edge rusher, we really
Speaker 1: like you as a guy that's going to be going
Speaker 1: downhill getting after the quarterback, and maybe if you add
Speaker 1: a little bit of weight you can be a better
Speaker 1: banger in terms of stopping the run, setting a hard edge.
Speaker 1: So that's that's a really interesting fit. I don't know
Speaker 1: that he's a fit at two seventy for this team,
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys and this defense the way it's constructed,
Speaker 1: But for a team out there, whether they know the Patriots,
Speaker 1: the Cardinals, one of those teams in the mid first
Speaker 1: first yeah, well yeah, and I'll tell you I'll tell you.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you. Another team the crusties are all talking
Speaker 1: about is the Pittsburgh Steelers. They're talking about, you know,
Speaker 1: with them losing Bud Dupree and stuff like that, that
Speaker 1: maybe the Steelers got involved with this one too. Everybody
Speaker 1: has the Steelers taking kind of a running back maybe,
Speaker 1: but this might be one of those ones that I
Speaker 1: know for a fact with the Cowboys, you cannot take
Speaker 1: a player like this at ten. You can't. There's no
Speaker 1: way you can. They are not going to take a
Speaker 1: sam linebacker at ten. I'm sorry. That's just not gonna
Speaker 1: that's not gonna happen. But there are other teams out
Speaker 1: there that everybody does believe that. Okay, hey, here's some
Speaker 1: three four teams. Again, a lot of scouts talking about
Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steelers. Keep an eye on that team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's interested that you bring it up because for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys and the way that we aarticipated them playing at
Speaker 1: a dan Quinn Zavier Collins doesn't really have a position
Speaker 1: because he's kind of like the big, thick linebacker where
Speaker 1: in the draft room we would appreciate him, we would say, hey,
Speaker 1: he's talented, but he's really not a great fit for
Speaker 1: us because where will we put him at? And I
Speaker 1: just don't know, but I think it's interesting you talk
Speaker 1: about a guy showing up at two hundred and seventy
Speaker 1: pounds that screams to me Patriots, Steelers, heavy handed type team,
Speaker 1: somewhere where he can go out there and he can
Speaker 1: kind of beat the slug that beats on the tight
Speaker 1: end and maybe comes off the edge and does some
Speaker 1: of that stuff. So this next question is real intriguing
Speaker 1: to me. It's not necessarily anything to learn about, but
Speaker 1: it's fun to think of because you guys have done
Speaker 1: this for quite some time. What's your favorite draft moment?
Speaker 1: This question just comes from Red straight up. What is
Speaker 1: your favorite draft moment? He said while covering the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily want to limit either one of you
Speaker 1: three to that question because there's been plenty of drafts
Speaker 1: where you haven't covered the Cowboys, but Bucky will start
Speaker 1: with you. What's your favorite draft moment is where a
Speaker 1: week out from the next one, I will go back
Speaker 1: to when I was working with the Seattle Seahawks. It
Speaker 1: might have been my first or second year, but we
Speaker 1: took Steve Hutchinson at guard and at the time Walter
Speaker 1: Jones was already in place and just watching how you
Speaker 1: can take a dominant guard compare with the dominant offensive tackle,
Speaker 1: and the entire league can know that you're running that
Speaker 1: way and no one can stop it. And so there's
Speaker 1: something too like when you see what we call god
Speaker 1: jacket level players giving them their just due and just
Speaker 1: taking them even though positional value and all that other
Speaker 1: stuff creeps in. I think sometimes we have to remember
Speaker 1: man grade the talent, and if you can add a
Speaker 1: collection of talented players, you can win. You just can't
Speaker 1: go wrong taking the best player available. So we're taking
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts. That is now confirmed from Bucky Brooks that
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts will be a Dallas Cowboy. Brian favorite draft moment, yeah, Oh,
Speaker 1: Krusty's got a lot of them, But my favorite one
Speaker 1: was two thousand and five when the Scouts actually won
Speaker 1: against Bill Parcels, and it was it's when he wanted
Speaker 1: nothing to do with the Marcus ware and the Scouts
Speaker 1: were fighting him. He wanted Sean Merriman, And I mean
Speaker 1: it came down to literally a morning of the draft
Speaker 1: when the decision was made. We were we were before
Speaker 1: the meeting before the draft started, Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones,
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you this, Rick Goslin from the Allas
Speaker 1: Morning News, who we all know. Rick Gossin was the
Speaker 1: reason why the Dallas Cowboys drafted DeMarcus Ware because the
Speaker 1: night before the draft he was able to get a
Speaker 1: hold of Jerry Jones. He had this network of scouts
Speaker 1: and general managers they talked to, and he had all
Speaker 1: the information and he convinced Jerry's like, where will be
Speaker 1: a better player long term than Merriman. And but after
Speaker 1: that first year, we were all like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: what is Merriman done? Kind of thing. So but then
Speaker 1: if you look at overall how it all turned out though,
Speaker 1: But yeah, that was that was probably my favorite moment
Speaker 1: of a draft when it was it came down to
Speaker 1: the morning of the draft and then the decision was
Speaker 1: made of who we were going to take at the
Speaker 1: eleventh pick, and it worked out great for the Dallas Cowboys. Guys.
Speaker 1: It's a great one, all right, Dane. For me, you know,
Speaker 1: it just goes I think about just starting doing this,
Speaker 1: doing this draft stuff, and I go back to two
Speaker 1: thousand and four, how much how fun that draft was
Speaker 1: when you're talking about the quarterbacks and the intrigue about
Speaker 1: Eli Manning, Philip rivers a lot of teams love Ben
Speaker 1: Roethlisberger in that draft, you know, the uh you know,
Speaker 1: the Giants were looking at him possibly if they weren't
Speaker 1: able to make that trade to get Eli Manning, who
Speaker 1: the Chargers took at number one, they were ready to
Speaker 1: take Roethlisberger at number four. That was the same draft
Speaker 1: with Kellen Winslow and Sean Taylor. I mean, that was
Speaker 1: really one of my first drafts where I was into
Speaker 1: this and you know, scouting these players and getting involved
Speaker 1: and just the the intrigue of that top ten was
Speaker 1: was so much fun and something that'll stick with me
Speaker 1: for a long time. Can ask a question, Kyle Ye
Speaker 1: want to ask Brent? I want I want to ask
Speaker 1: so Brian like thinking about that draft because ed drafts
Speaker 1: is fascinating to me because we had those quarterbacks or whatever.
Speaker 1: So there's this narrative out there about quarterbacks being pushed up.
Speaker 1: I never heard that thing in draft rooms or whatever.
Speaker 1: But I do wonder, Brent, is that A is that
Speaker 1: a valid primus to A If a's a quarterback, he
Speaker 1: deserves more credit or back in the day, during that
Speaker 1: time with Eli Ben and Rivers. Did those guys actually
Speaker 1: merit those grades to be drafted over Sean Taylor and
Speaker 1: those guys. Yeah, that's the problem with the evaluation with
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks. And I'll tell you what though, at Green Bay,
Speaker 1: we did something that was criminal to a quarterback, and
Speaker 1: that was Steve McNair. And we put Steve McNair in
Speaker 1: the second round on our board, on our board, and
Speaker 1: I think he went third overall. And when I remember,
Speaker 1: I remember going to the board because I was the
Speaker 1: guy responsible, Elliott Wolf who now works for the Patriots.
Speaker 1: Elliott was ten years old and he helped me with
Speaker 1: the tags and stuff. And I'll never forget when the
Speaker 1: Houston Oilers made that pick and I had to go
Speaker 1: get his tag, I mean like the third pick, and
Speaker 1: I had to get his tag the second round and
Speaker 1: put it on that board on the Houston other side
Speaker 1: of the board, and I'm thinking, man, did we just
Speaker 1: really mess this up? And sure enough we did. But
Speaker 1: we're from a system, and Bucky you're part of that
Speaker 1: system too, where you say, hey, this is where we
Speaker 1: see the player a quarterback tied in tackle whoever, I mean,
Speaker 1: there was no. There was no Okay, push him up
Speaker 1: because he's a quarterback and do this and that. I mean,
Speaker 1: we were trying to be fair about it. Will we
Speaker 1: ride all the time? Absolutely not? But I know I
Speaker 1: came from a system that tried to measure all the
Speaker 1: players at the same level. It's interesting hearing about Steve
Speaker 1: McNair being a second round grade and then going third overall.
Speaker 1: Is that not a little bit reminiscent of what Mac
Speaker 1: Jones is going through right now? If that ends up
Speaker 1: being the pick at well number three, let me tell
Speaker 1: you this. Let me tell you this. I had somebody
Speaker 1: tell me this yesterday about about Mac Jones. But I
Speaker 1: don't believe that Mac Jones is going to be the
Speaker 1: third on all the pick me personally, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't believe it. I don't believe it. But I will
Speaker 1: say this though, Daniel Jones was picked sixth overall by
Speaker 1: the Giants and someone told me that, and that was
Speaker 1: a that was the punch in the face right there.
Speaker 1: That was like, listen, you don't like Mac Jones, Well
Speaker 1: somebody took Daniel Jones at at sixth overall. Think about that,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, there's your possibility. All it takes is somebody.
Speaker 1: We say this every year. All it takes is somebody
Speaker 1: to fall in love. And you know, if you like
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins, and Kirk Cousins wasn't what a fourth round pick.
Speaker 1: But if you like Kirk Cousins, you should like mac Jones.
Speaker 1: And you know, and Kirk Cousins has played a long
Speaker 1: time in this league. Is he the greatest player in
Speaker 1: the league, greatest quarterback? La, No, he's not. But like
Speaker 1: I say, all it takes is that one team to
Speaker 1: say this is our guy and that team at San Francisco,
Speaker 1: It's not John Lynch running that team. It's Kyle Shanahan
Speaker 1: running that team. John Lynch is the guy that has
Speaker 1: the title. It's Kyle Shanahan's the one running that team.
Speaker 1: He's going to take the players he wants to take,
Speaker 1: not the players that John Lynch wants to take him.
Speaker 1: It's funny, Brian. I think the mac Jones thing is
Speaker 1: really important because I do believe our biggest mistakes come
Speaker 1: when we deviate away from really the purity of the process. Right.
Speaker 1: So we've all sat up here and talked about Kyle
Speaker 1: Pitts being arguably the best or second best player in
Speaker 1: the draft. And I think what happens is maybe even
Speaker 1: on our side, maybe even within the league, because I
Speaker 1: think they're more influenced by the media than they will
Speaker 1: always admit. I think this thing with the quarterbacks has
Speaker 1: really tainted the process when it comes to really grading players,
Speaker 1: because if we really kept it as simple as hey,
Speaker 1: if we're playing a game out in the park, who
Speaker 1: would I want? Yeah, all of those quarterbacks wouldn't be
Speaker 1: in the conversation as like top five in this draft class.
Speaker 1: And so I think it just muddies the water, and
Speaker 1: then we make these mistakes trying to get it right
Speaker 1: on draft night as opposed to, Hey, I want to
Speaker 1: be right in three years that I said this guy
Speaker 1: can play and he's gonna play at this level. That's
Speaker 1: what my grade is, as high as it is combined
Speaker 1: sixty five years of draft experience between this panel right here.
Speaker 1: That's why I wanted to ask that question, because Dane's
Speaker 1: been doing this for sixteen years, Bucky, you've been doing
Speaker 1: it since two thousand and one, Brian, of course, since
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two. I think that's just a fun thing
Speaker 1: to think about going into next week because it could
Speaker 1: end up being your favorite draft moment next year or
Speaker 1: excuse me, next week four years to come, that we'll
Speaker 1: be talking about down the road. Let's take our second break.
Speaker 1: When we come back, we're gonna get Dan's mock draft,
Speaker 1: and we're also going to hit his top three hundred
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Speaker 1: your top three hundred. Oh, I'll get my top three
Speaker 1: hundred out of the way. My favorite wing is I
Speaker 1: don't have to do it again. It's don get it
Speaker 1: out of the way. It's it's tough doing those things
Speaker 1: for like a generic you know, I don't have a
Speaker 1: specific team I'm scouting for. You know, a specific culture,
Speaker 1: that type of thing. So it's tough ranking those top
Speaker 1: three hundred, but hopefully people check it out because I
Speaker 1: put a lot into it my seven round long for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. So starting with Patrick's Urtan just like uh,
Speaker 1: you know the first two mocks, I think percentage chance
Speaker 1: of it happening, you have to it's the highest. Um.
Speaker 1: I don't think that we should eliminate JC Horne from
Speaker 1: that conversation. He's really intriguing as a dark horse candidate
Speaker 1: there In the second round, and went Javon Holland at Oregon. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know we know that this defensive coordinator went up
Speaker 1: to Oregon for that pro day. Uh. You talk about,
Speaker 1: you know this this scheme and a guy that can
Speaker 1: play safety, he could play the nickel. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: a guy who's approven, go and get the football guy.
Speaker 1: Javon Holland as really interesting for this this scheme and
Speaker 1: this team. At number forty four seventy five, I went
Speaker 1: with on the defensive line, and I went with Milton
Speaker 1: Williams at a Louisiana tech like it. Um, I think
Speaker 1: he's a play you know Tyron Crawford, Uh, he could
Speaker 1: be your next Tyron Crawford. A guy that could play inside,
Speaker 1: could play outside. Uh, you know he's sixty three two
Speaker 1: eighty five, really good athlete. You wish he was a
Speaker 1: little bit longer, But a guy that is just kind
Speaker 1: of scratching the surface of what he could be if
Speaker 1: you get him at pick seventy five. I really liked
Speaker 1: that value. What with Deonte Smith, just like Bucky there
Speaker 1: and in the late third, I think he's You're kind
Speaker 1: of in a lot of ways your ideal developmental tackle,
Speaker 1: but can also play inside a guard. He did both
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl and played it at a high level.
Speaker 1: And round number four, pick one fifteen when Chauncey Golston,
Speaker 1: I just I love adding a player like that to
Speaker 1: bolster my defensive line in the fourth round, a guy
Speaker 1: who is instinctive, love the motor, love the hustle. In
Speaker 1: the fourth round with came rammergrown that the second fourth
Speaker 1: round pick, that linebacker, as long as the knee checks out, okay,
Speaker 1: speed instincts, he can outplay that draft spot. In the
Speaker 1: fifth I went to mary on Terry at a Florida
Speaker 1: State who can fly and he's long, and he just
Speaker 1: he needs development time, He needs some more coaching and
Speaker 1: if he is able to be coachable and get coached up,
Speaker 1: he's going to be a steal at that point, John Bay,
Speaker 1: you have to go with the boys and state player
Speaker 1: at some point right for the team. So go John
Speaker 1: Bates and tight end. In the sixth William Sherman, the
Speaker 1: guards center, played left tackle Colorado. But I think prig
Speaker 1: Ject's best is a guard center. And then uh Nuegu
Speaker 1: the running back at Iowa State, who I think could
Speaker 1: maybe be a little more on offense than he did
Speaker 1: in college, but it's gonna help you on special teams
Speaker 1: as well. Any thoughts, Brian, Yeah, I tell you what.
Speaker 1: I liked what he did. I was kind of intrigued
Speaker 1: by the and I know it's late in the draft.
Speaker 1: I was intrigued by the Colorado tackle. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: like what you're talking about him playing potentially playing some
Speaker 1: guard as well. I think the Cowboys think the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are always in these The Cowboys are always in that
Speaker 1: mode where they're gonna take some type of developmental lineman.
Speaker 1: But this kid, you watch him playing the running game,
Speaker 1: I mean, he was a powerful guy, and I think
Speaker 1: there's some some really good upside there. I mean, when
Speaker 1: you watched him come off the ball, he gets the guys,
Speaker 1: he finishes guys. You can work on his pass block
Speaker 1: and stuff. But man, I kind of liked that. I
Speaker 1: had him a little bit higher than even where Dane
Speaker 1: took him. So good for him to have him on
Speaker 1: that board, Bucky, I mean, I liked it overall. Now
Speaker 1: I liked it overall, and I think Dane obviously paying
Speaker 1: attention to the Cowboys draft habits because certain teams, certain
Speaker 1: general managers have sweet spots that they go to when
Speaker 1: it comes to players. So you can talk about Boys
Speaker 1: State being one, so being able to go there. And
Speaker 1: then really when we get down to that day three,
Speaker 1: the fourth through seventh rounds where we talked about the
Speaker 1: developmental prospects and trying to find one or two courtraits
Speaker 1: that are necessary not only for them to get on
Speaker 1: the field to eventually become regular contributors, but how can
Speaker 1: they impact special teams. That's where your speed and your
Speaker 1: physicality and all those teams kind of tend to wait.
Speaker 1: So sorry we lost Bucky at the end there, first
Speaker 1: foot second, But yeah, I agree with the mock draft.
Speaker 1: I really like the Milton Williams pick in that third round.
Speaker 1: Dane I actually had him in my seven round mock
Speaker 1: as well, in that third round category as that defensive
Speaker 1: tackle that could maybe play inside outside be that time
Speaker 1: round Crawford replacement. I love that pick overall, and I
Speaker 1: know the Cowboys have had a little bit of interest
Speaker 1: there as well. I'll release my picks out on social media.
Speaker 1: We're gonna put all four of these on the same
Speaker 1: sheet that the fans would fill out on the Draft
Speaker 1: Kings Draft Pick Challenge, and we'll put that out on
Speaker 1: social media for everybody to see. But guys, I hate
Speaker 1: that we're constrained to an hour. How about next week around?
Speaker 1: How about Thursday night? We could do this for like
Speaker 1: a long time. How does that sound just like hours
Speaker 1: at a time on the Draft show coverage? Because I
Speaker 1: could talk about this stuff all night long, and I
Speaker 1: feel like we should do that. Maybe we should do
Speaker 1: it all next weekend. I think that sounds like fun, right, Dan,
Speaker 1: sign me up? It does sound like a lot of fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: brought us you ready? Yeah? Yeah? Dane is looking forward
Speaker 1: to yeah Dane, And Dane is looking forward to me
Speaker 1: coming up with some really witty saying to start the draft, right, Dane,
Speaker 1: Like these are the times that trim in. That's right,
Speaker 1: exactly teaser for Cowboys fans. I'm looking at flights right
Speaker 1: now to be done now, So let's make this happen.
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