1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk, anyone has a run itself because if 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: the song really really works, but it's like a world 3 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 1: under itself if you come up with a really good 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 1: one that no one has quite done in that way. 5 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: But I think the only thing that could grab anyone 6 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: on me it. 7 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 2: Could love it. He could love what you're doing, Wady, 8 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 2: except for if it calls on y is. 9 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 1: It's never mattered that. 10 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 2: If you love it then it will never let you down. 11 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 3: Welcome to another edition of Taking a Walk Music History 12 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 3: on Foot. Buzz Night is your host, and on this 13 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:41,599 Speaker 3: episode we have one of progressive rocks great guitarists, Steve Hackett. 14 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 3: He was the lead guitarist for the British supergroup Genesis 15 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 3: from nineteen seventy one to nineteen seventy seven. He continues 16 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 3: to have an accomplished solo career. Steve is a member 17 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 3: of the Rock Hall of Fame and he joins Buzz 18 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 3: Next on Taking a Walk. 19 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 4: Hello Steve, hither a right, that is buzz How are you, 20 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 4: mister Hackett? 21 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, very good, does very good. 22 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 4: Thank you so great to speak to you. I've been 23 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 4: a fan for a long time, sir, Oh. 24 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 2: Well, thank you very much. I'm glad and jaded stuff 25 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 2: over the years. 26 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 4: So how enjoyable for you? Has it been celebrating your 27 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 4: great work like Foxtrot at fifty. 28 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 2: Well, it's been kind of amazing because we recorded and 29 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 2: told this stuff last year and the rest of the 30 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 2: world and we recorded this alum live in Brighton on 31 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 2: the south coast of England and it's gone to number 32 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 2: two in the rock charts over here. So the nice 33 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 2: validation from hinted material to have a kind of a 34 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 2: second a second chance of Genesis fire in a way 35 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 2: it's I'm very proud of it. They very pleased that 36 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 2: it's out there again, that I'm able to tear it 37 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 2: from an era when John Lennon gave an interview and 38 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 2: said he's considered Genesis to be three songs of the Beetle, 39 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 2: which is it extordinary? 40 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 4: And John was a big fan of selling England by 41 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 4: the pound also, wasn't he. 42 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 2: That's right, yeah, I think that era of selling England 43 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 2: was the one that that I first heard that he's 44 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 2: that Genesis he said was one of the bands that 45 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 2: he'd been listening to at the time. And then this 46 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 2: other interview Nigel Pierce in the UK told me about 47 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 2: this because you got a paper, which is what John 48 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 2: Lennon saying that I need to unearth this. He's a 49 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 2: huge Beetle a file, this guy, Nigel Pierce, and he's 50 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,399 Speaker 2: got all sorts of people and memorabilia and everything. He's 51 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: basically a day and a presenter and and and a 52 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 2: complete Beatle fanatic of course. 53 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 4: And it's quite obvious listening to well, one of my 54 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 4: favorites and certainly our listener's favorites, uh the lamb Lies 55 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 4: down on Broadway, that has a tremendous tip of the 56 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 4: hat to the Beatles, I believe is that fair to say? 57 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 2: Well, I think, you know, maybe songs like Counting Out Time. 58 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 2: I would think of maybe at our most beat left, 59 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 2: we were doing and what I Like in Your Wardrobe 60 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 2: and that is pretty much the pure Beetles and was 61 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 2: our first hit single. I think by the time we 62 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 2: were doing Lambos down on Broadway, did he gab wasn't 63 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 2: sure that he wanted to be the lead singer of 64 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 2: Jennifers anymore. He's really wating towards the A Furlo career, 65 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 2: and he did great things, of course, But I think 66 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 2: of that album, uh Landa down on Broadway really at 67 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 2: a Swan song with the Genesis. 68 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 4: So did you have the opportunity, Uh, well, John Lennon 69 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 4: was alive to encounter him and talk music and guitar 70 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 4: playing and such. 71 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 2: If only no that that never happened. I think in 72 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 2: those days, my god, you know, wouldn't that have been amazing? 73 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 2: You know, But we were you know, we we came 74 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 2: from humble beginnings and when we heard he said that 75 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 2: that was just that was just pgs. We were trying 76 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 2: to get gigs in the States at that time. We 77 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 2: were just leaving New York when he started to give 78 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 2: us a name tack or two and that would that 79 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 2: was great? Maybe it was just because he gave you 80 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 2: or used the kuku kachi thing in you. 81 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: And know what I like. 82 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 2: Maybe it was a symbol as that reference in then 83 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 2: you know, quoting them. Perhaps maybe it was because of 84 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 2: that the want of bounds that were you know, nodding 85 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 2: or giving them a nod because obviously they did great things. 86 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 2: I mean, we all wrote in on the on the 87 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,799 Speaker 2: coattails of the Beatles, they really opened up the industry 88 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 2: for the rest of us. 89 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 4: So do you recall a song or artist that you 90 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 4: first heard growing up that hooked you on music for life. 91 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 2: Oh well, it was so much stuff. I mean, in 92 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,799 Speaker 2: the very early days, I was ready to play harmonica, 93 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 2: and I loved all you know, the harmonica players of 94 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 2: a certain era, people like Larry Adler and and many more. 95 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 2: But I do remember hearing Mary Orlandra on the radio. 96 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 2: This is much earlier than than you're amazining. I'm going 97 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 2: to say that. I just remember listening to this stuff 98 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:59,119 Speaker 2: and and interally falling over the power of the notes. 99 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 2: It's just me, absolutely not. And I tried to get 100 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 2: something like the same thing with the guitar cod many 101 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 2: years later, operatic rock guitar. It's such a thing. We're talkable. 102 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 2: I wanted to make it thing, and the course technology 103 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 2: allows you to do that with the fanantics guitars with 104 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 2: the pain that pickups, they'll do that. You know, it's 105 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 2: nature and their VODI and the feet back on board 106 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 2: the guitar itself. You know. 107 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 4: In Guitar World, and I'm going to quote Guitar World, 108 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 4: they said Steve Hackett's early explorations of two handed tapping 109 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 4: and sweep picking were far ahead of their time, and 110 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 4: they say that the influence ultimately went to people like 111 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 4: Eddie Van Halend, Alex Lifson and Brian May, among others. 112 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 4: How does that make you feel? 113 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 2: Well, it's a great thing. They had the European Guitar 114 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 2: Awards fairly recently and they they gave me the award. 115 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 2: It was, it was in Holland. It was extraordinary and 116 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 2: a lot of these guys sent films congratulating me, which 117 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 2: was was marvelous. 118 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 4: You know. 119 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 2: I worked with Brian and met some of them, but 120 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 2: not all of them, and it was great. The guitarists 121 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 2: are so generous to say this sort of thing, but 122 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 2: you know, I'm very grateful to them all, you know, 123 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 2: because a lot of the time I think, you know, 124 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 2: we can beaver away in the dark and you come 125 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 2: up with something and you hope it's going to work, 126 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 2: and maybe a technique like tapping just kind of caught 127 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 2: the imagination of a lot of guitarists and they figured 128 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 2: it's a way of playing very very fast on one 129 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 2: string and then if you cannot from one or the other, 130 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 2: and I can do it in time, then you can 131 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 2: fire up his kind of machine gun rabbit fire thing. 132 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 2: It's it's it's the guttling gun of of guitar playings 133 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 2: that we're up, you know, spet Wallri. 134 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 4: I'm grateful to have had your mate Steve Howe on 135 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 4: a previous episode of this podcast, and one of the 136 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 4: things we discussed, you know, was his diversity of musical influences. 137 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 4: You celebrate a tremendous diversity as well of influences. Starting 138 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 4: I think with the blues, can you can you talk 139 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 4: about your diverse musical influences. 140 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember being blues in the early nineteen sixties 141 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 2: when I was growing up and thinking, oh well, maybe 142 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 2: I could be something like that on harmonica, and I 143 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 2: used to play along the record like crazy, and even 144 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 2: he needs to emulate them at Gake just you can't 145 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 2: get it right, you know, absolutely rugged blues. I've got 146 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 2: enormous respects for harden Wolf and Muddy Waters and Little Water, 147 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 2: these guys, they were all great Mikey players. And then 148 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 2: of course, you know the white version of that was 149 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 2: with personified and Deified by Paul Butterfield. He was so 150 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 2: absolutely brilliant and I saw his band, the Paul Butterfield 151 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,839 Speaker 2: Blaue Band in the mid ninety sixties sixty six and 152 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 2: Bloomfield was in the band Michael Bloomfield, Alvin Bishop, Mark 153 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 2: Naplin on keyboard, my god, and I think it was 154 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 2: three guys who's been with Ali Wolf's band, Sam Lay 155 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 2: on drums, I believe, and the had been Jerome Manold 156 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 2: on bay. But it was absolutely spell binding. It was wonderful. 157 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 2: You know, I've been playing harmonica for years, and yet 158 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 2: I'd never heard the instruments sound anything like the rippling 159 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 2: sound that Butterfield had with that control and the vibrato 160 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,599 Speaker 2: which which you could guy for it sounded like a 161 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 2: like a trumpet or like a guitar. It was just 162 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 2: this little tiny instrument that was being reinvented in front 163 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 2: of my my very eyes. So I have to say, 164 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 2: there's a lot of great bleed gigs, including Cream and 165 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 2: many others. Uh and and and the course of the 166 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 2: young and wonderful h Pete Green. Pete Green on guitar 167 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:52,959 Speaker 2: was so enormously good with John Male's band. And so 168 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:57,319 Speaker 2: that's that's some of them. You know, so many of them. 169 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 2: Sonny Boy Williamson, you know, harmonica player extordinaire. I absolutely 170 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 2: loved to believe. I thought I was going to be 171 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 2: a blued guitarist harmonica player, but then like so many 172 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 2: others who were aspiring towards that form. The brin Bom 173 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 2: really died on me at the end of the nineteen sixties, 174 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:19,959 Speaker 2: just got so many others and the music was on 175 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,719 Speaker 2: the term. It was about to change, and it was 176 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 2: going to absorb a number of guilty pleasures like classical music. 177 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 2: And those who've been listening to Andrew Segovia and dah. 178 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 4: Where do you get your curiosity that is still you know, 179 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 4: a burning passion? 180 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know where the burning passion comes from, 181 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,839 Speaker 2: but it is still a passion that's still nuts about it. 182 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 2: Music everybody gave away. It's been a very good friend 183 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 2: to me. It's been rather extraordinary and there's always surprising 184 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 2: things that come up out of it. Something up. I've 185 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 2: get done a new album as well. I've done a 186 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 2: new studio album and there's some stuff on that that 187 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 2: I absolutely love, and I hope I'm going to be 188 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,959 Speaker 2: doing that some of that next year when we come 189 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 2: back with some of the Lamb Light Down and Broadway stuff. 190 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 2: I'm not going to do Lamb Light Down in its entirety, 191 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,839 Speaker 2: but I'll do some tracks from it and see what 192 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 2: I think is the best and We'll take it from 193 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 2: there with some new material as well. It's so important 194 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 2: to keep coming. 195 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 4: Up with metaf I have a couple of listener questions 196 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 4: for you. First, Tom, who's a major fan of your 197 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 4: work from the Boston area. He asks, you're carrying the 198 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 4: Genesis torch. Is there any animosity at all from Tony 199 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 4: and Mike with regard to that. 200 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,959 Speaker 2: I don't think so. Something enough the bank said to me. 201 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 2: This was on the launch of Mike Runs a book. 202 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 2: He said, you're keeping the legacy alive. And I thought 203 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 2: he was going to steal them to me and say, 204 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 2: what are you doing that old stuff for? You know, 205 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 2: don't you do anything else? And he said, you're keeping 206 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 2: the legacy alive. So I think he's a strange contregation 207 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 2: in many ways, you know, but there was a compliment. 208 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 2: You know, you're keeping it alive. So hey, you know, 209 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 2: I'm doing it. I'm reinventing it and sometimes play it 210 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:33,559 Speaker 2: with orchestras, many times play it with the band I 211 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:38,439 Speaker 2: have who are extraordinary. They say that, you know, the 212 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,719 Speaker 2: album Fox Tilet City has gone to number two in 213 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 2: the rock charts in the UK. So all these years later, 214 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 2: that little old album we did in nineteen seventy two, 215 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 2: not only Sprady the Legs, but wings Now and it's 216 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 2: and let's let's take it last as long as Beethoven. 217 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 4: Amen to that. No another question Bill from the Atlanta area. 218 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 4: He wanted me to ask you, what are some of 219 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 4: your favorite venues over your career that you've played in 220 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:12,959 Speaker 4: the United States. 221 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I remember getting the Roxy Club in 222 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 2: la in nineteen seventy three when we were first brewing there, 223 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 2: and we did three nights, two shows a night, and 224 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 2: I still think they were some of the best shows 225 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 2: we ever did. Were beginning I think the Doctor Fox 226 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 2: Trot and quite a bit of swelling income by the town. 227 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 2: And I do remember that venue very very well and 228 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 2: felt very im there, very very very comfortable. So remember 229 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 2: doing that and from the broad Places to my garden, 230 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 2: that square garden was amazing. We did that, if I 231 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 2: remember it correctly, we were be doing in nineteen seventy seven, 232 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 2: and that was that was amazing, absolutely wonderful. So there's 233 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 2: been many many gigs up, cooking up the smallest thing 234 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 2: perhaps the biggest. Uh and and money money more. 235 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 4: I have to ask you, it's been heartbreaking to see 236 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 4: Phil Collins health deteriorate. How how is Phil from your perspective? 237 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 4: And how how are you guys getting getting it on 238 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 4: and getting along these days? 239 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 2: Well? I think that uh, you know, Sarah has given 240 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 2: his whole life to music and even before that the 241 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 2: film and stay in theater. Uh, you know, he was 242 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 2: the ought to judger in Ronald Box Oliver. He was 243 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 2: as a child actor and singer. You have to remember, 244 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 2: you know, he was a veteran before he even with 245 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 2: his team, so it's his early stuff. So yes, it 246 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 2: is upbreaking the seam now at this stage of the game. 247 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 2: But you know he's given it his all. He's a 248 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 2: sweet guy and so proud to work with him in Genesis. 249 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 2: He was full of great ideas and he was great inspiration, 250 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 2: full of energy, and I think that Genesis was was 251 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 2: lucky to have somebody who was not only a great drummer, 252 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 2: but a great singer and songwriter and arranger, all of 253 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 2: those things. You know, people often thought that it was 254 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 2: other people who did it, you know, the lead singer. 255 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 2: It's always the lead singer who invents everything people assume. 256 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 2: But in Genesis is full of It's full of great writers, 257 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 2: good players, and and much more. But you know, Phil 258 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 2: with with with with the lead pain really of a genesis. 259 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 4: Well, lastly, I just want to ask you if somebody 260 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 4: were starting out a musical career who's listening to this, uh, 261 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 4: what sort of advice would you give them on mastering 262 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 4: the creative process As someone who has really mastered the 263 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 4: creative process. 264 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I can't teach anyone how to write 265 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 2: a song because if a song really really works, but 266 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 2: it's like a world unto itself, if you come up 267 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 2: with a really good one that no one has quite 268 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 2: done in that way. But I think the only thing 269 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 2: that can grow anyone on it can love it it 270 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 2: to love what you're doing way really successful or if 271 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 2: it falls on death is it doesn't matter that. The 272 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 2: important thing is if you love it, then it will 273 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 2: never let you down. There will be no failure. You know, 274 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 2: the union is very broad. It will encompass you. And 275 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 2: I think if you see it as a game where 276 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 2: if you're always playing the tables or always playing the Instagram, 277 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 2: lady luck will smile on you eventually. So I would say, 278 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 2: please don't play the pie and the course. Peter Gabriel, 279 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 2: thank you up, I love it. 280 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 4: Thank you for the joy you've certainly given so many 281 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 4: of the listeners of this podcast, and the joy that 282 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 4: you've given me with your music. I'm so grateful. 283 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you very much. 284 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 3: Thanks for listening to this episode of the Taking a 285 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:37,479 Speaker 3: Walk podcast. Share this and other episodes with your friends 286 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,120 Speaker 3: and follow us so you never miss an episode. Taking 287 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 3: a Walk is available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 288 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 3: and wherever you get your podcasts.