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Speaker 1: Hello everyone. My name is Luke Thomas. I'm one half

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Speaker 2: I'm great, Luke. It's Wednesday. I'm so happy to be

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Speaker 2: Like, look, this is Poorier's you know, coronation ceremony December eleventh. Here,

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Speaker 1: So, Luke, do you believe you don't feel better about it?

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Speaker 2: Do you believe that after this This title fight takes

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Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you, let me spit it back

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Speaker 1: very quickly. You think Justin Gage's gonna beat Michael Chandler.

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Speaker 2: Why, okay, that's fine. That makes that fight, which takes

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Speaker 2: let's talk about this card December eleventh. You mentioned the

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna give the MSG card to sixty eight and

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Speaker 1: You know. What's amazing is he's he used that years

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Speaker 2: I don't, Luke.

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Speaker 2: But I think he fashions himself a maverick Luke who

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Speaker 1: I have that part. I am certain it's true. What

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Speaker 2: I consider reforming the Whig Party. Luke, it's gotta you know.

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Speaker 1: You can join Andrew Yang's Forward Party. How about that?

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Speaker 2: Oh hey, all right?

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Speaker 1: Andrew Yang a legitimate MMA fan. Wonder Boy Thompson is

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Speaker 1: and has an MMA record of eleven and one. Now, BC,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of different questions here. Where does the

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Speaker 1: blame fall for this? I don't want to say the

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Speaker 1: blame falls on the victim itself, but obviously these guys

431
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Speaker 1: take certain risks. Is it just the inherent risk of

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Speaker 1: the sport? Do you put the fault on and by

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Speaker 1: that I mean bare knuckle in particular, do you put

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Speaker 1: the fault on BKFC? Who is the promoter in this case?

435
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Speaker 1: Should they have done something differently? Or three? Is it

436
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Speaker 1: an issue of what the commission should have been doing

437
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Speaker 1: in any of those cases? Who gets to blame here.

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Speaker 2: My answer is, yes, Luke guessed to all the above,

439
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Speaker 2: But I want to lay down some things. First. Look,

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Speaker 2: this is a unique unfortunate situation in that Justin Thornton

441
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Speaker 2: was knocked out in what something like eighteen seconds against

442
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Speaker 2: Still but Luke, he fell face first to the canvas

443
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Speaker 2: and actually screwed up his spine and was in intensive

444
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Speaker 2: care for weeks and was really in extremely bad shape

445
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Speaker 2: and had a really bad forward prognosis that eventually led

446
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Speaker 2: to his death. So Luke, this was one of those

447
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 2: uniquely dangerous situations because of the way he fell and

448
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Speaker 2: the way he compressed his spine. But I think this

449
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 2: very unfortunate death. It's I don't it's not the right

450
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Speaker 2: timing for a death like this. Obviously it's not what

451
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to say, but it's the right timing that

452
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Speaker 2: all of us in the extended combat sports game, which

453
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Speaker 2: by the way, goes way further than the elite levels

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Speaker 2: of UFC and Bellator and MMA and you know, the

455
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Speaker 2: elite boxing promoters on that side. I'm talking about across

456
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Speaker 2: the board. There's a lot of cleanup that needs to

457
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Speaker 2: be done, and I think this is a reminder of that,

458
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Speaker 2: So let me frame what I'm really trying to say here, Luke,

459
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Speaker 2: I almost regret it now that for years I was

460
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Speaker 2: the we like him extra sloppy fight fan. I was

461
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,159
Speaker 2: the hashtag old guy fights my name for a promotion

462
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Speaker 2: I wanted to start in boxing some ten years ago, Luke,

463
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Speaker 2: when I worked at ESPN and we got a few

464
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Speaker 2: laughs of it off of Twitter. Hey, look, you know

465
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Speaker 2: some people, some like ex comedians or x UFC heavyweights,

466
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Speaker 2: were like, I never read the comments, man, never ever.

467
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Speaker 2: Look sometimes you know I'm not. I'm not. I'm secure

468
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Speaker 2: enough to tell you sometimes I do look at the comments, Luke,

469
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Speaker 2: and I saw a comment after my take on the

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Speaker 2: whole Nick Diaz situation. I think I mentioned it on

471
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Speaker 2: one of our recent shows where somebody was like, man,

472
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Speaker 2: BC's the biggest hypocrite I ever know. What a Skip

473
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Speaker 2: Bayalis hot taker. He loves the sloppy shit, and now

474
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Speaker 2: all I hear about is him damning Triller and damning

475
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Speaker 2: Nick Diaz his return at age thirty nine, Luke, I

476
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Speaker 2: think I'm here to tell you that not only is

477
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Speaker 2: my liver in the process of being reformed from a

478
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Speaker 2: bad stretch of gas station food, diet addiction, my fight

479
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Speaker 2: diet of loving sloppiness. This year, I think it's run

480
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Speaker 2: its course, and I think for the right reasons, obviously, Luke.

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Speaker 2: The combination of what we're seeing on the lower levels

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Speaker 2: of this BKFC breakout and the various bare knuckle operations,

483
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Speaker 2: you know, extended from that, from what we're seeing in

484
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Speaker 2: Triller with the Evander Holyfield, you know, debacle, which we're

485
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Speaker 2: lucky that it wasn't worse. Through the fact that Ridick

486
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Speaker 2: bow damn near almost put on the gloves for another

487
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Speaker 2: boxing fight considering his physical condition. It echoes more and more, Luke.

488
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Speaker 2: And maybe it's just because there's been so much of

489
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Speaker 2: it in our face that I finally got to a

490
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Speaker 2: point where I'm like, I don't have a taste for

491
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Speaker 2: this anymore. It's sickening. Fighting is a young man's game.

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Speaker 2: Except for very rare circumstances, fighting is a young man's game.

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Speaker 2: This is the most meaning combat sports in general is

494
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Speaker 2: the most dangerous sports possible to have weak commissioning week

495
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Speaker 2: promotioners who want to just make a buck wink, sanctioning bodies,

496
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Speaker 2: weak everything across the board that I think it's time

497
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Speaker 2: we all really look in the mirror. So is BKFC

498
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Speaker 2: to blame for this? I don't know in this circumstance.

499
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Speaker 2: Justin Thornton though, Luke, as you mentioned, had lost his

500
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Speaker 2: last five MMA bouts his six and eighteen overall was

501
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Speaker 2: thirty eight years old on the way out. What have

502
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Speaker 2: we seen from BKFC of late fighters who have been

503
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Speaker 2: cut from major MMA promotions. I think BKFC, by the way,

504
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 2: is trying to promote a fight with Melvin Gillard in

505
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Speaker 2: the main event coming up soon. Guys who have been

506
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Speaker 2: knocked out so many times in a row that they're

507
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Speaker 2: essentially like persona non grata from the elite levels of

508
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Speaker 2: their own sport. So they're doing this stop by at

509
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Speaker 2: what I've called jokingly the BKFC, the last stop right

510
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Speaker 2: on the food chain, gets your final dollars and Luca.

511
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Speaker 2: Of course, we're all wondering is this being done under

512
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Speaker 2: the right up and up scenarios? In most cases they're not.

513
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Speaker 2: In most cases, regional on them shows are probably not.

514
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Speaker 2: In most cases, anything short of the elite level in

515
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Speaker 2: boxing is probably not. These sports are the absolute worst

516
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Speaker 2: for that situation to be a reality, But sadly it is.

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Speaker 2: You know, what Dana White said Tuesday night, Luke, which

518
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Speaker 2: you mentioned. His press scrum he does after the Dana

519
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Speaker 2: White Contender Series is becoming must see in a lot

520
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Speaker 2: of ways because he typically addresses the biggest news across

521
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Speaker 2: all combat sports was that the UFC spends twenty million

522
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Speaker 2: dollars per year on medical safety in all of that,

523
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 2: and he was, you know, bragging about it. But that's

524
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Speaker 2: one of the good brags, Luke. That's one of the

525
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 2: they've gotten to an elite level where say what you

526
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Speaker 2: will about a lot of things they do. They're realizing

527
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Speaker 2: that the most important thing they could possibly do is

528
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Speaker 2: fighter safety to avoid really bad scandals, and that those

529
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Speaker 2: kind of things that destroy your sport. They've got much

530
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Speaker 2: more money than these other promotions we're talking about. But Luke,

531
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Speaker 2: if we I'm less inclined to put the point of

532
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Speaker 2: blame and just say in general, we got to clean

533
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Speaker 2: up the sloppiness of the fight game. I've lost my

534
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Speaker 2: taste for a lot of this bullshit, Luke. I don't

535
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Speaker 2: want to see older fighters who shouldn't be in there,

536
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 2: fighters who are on seven eight knockout lost streaks end

537
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 2: up on a bare knuckle card because it's the only

538
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 2: way they can make money. I'm hoping that this death

539
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 2: of Justin Thornton here does not go in vain or

540
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,959
Speaker 2: does not get forgotten, because how many active in their

541
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 2: prime boxers have we seen die through the years. These

542
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 2: sports are not to f around with. Man, So Luke,

543
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,360
Speaker 2: I'm less than class, you know. I just want to say,

544
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 2: like we need some serious change across the board in

545
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 2: the stringency in the rules, from everything from promoters down

546
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 2: to state commissions down to everything. Because you could argue,

547
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Speaker 2: looking at the records here and looking at the back

548
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Speaker 2: thing should Justin Thornton Evin ben In though, Luke.

549
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I think you make a great point.

550
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: And I also I can tell the audience like BC's

551
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: not doing I mean, he's always doing a bit of

552
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: a bit, but he's not really doing a bit here

553
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 1: about the change in his opinion, Like I've watched it

554
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 1: in real time with the circumstances kind of evolve and

555
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 1: get to the position that he's in now. And you know,

556
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Speaker 1: this is why we were like so adamant about Evander

557
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 1: Holyfield not fighting a guy like Vitor Belfort like it

558
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 1: was just eight. I mean, the guy's almost sixty What

559
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 1: the fuck are you doing in that ring? And the

560
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: reality is you cannot rely on the commissions to keep

561
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 1: you safe. You just cannot. I mean, this is really

562
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Speaker 1: to me where it all comes down. There is not

563
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: a whole lot of studies about BKFC, but what studies

564
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 1: exist paint actually a pretty good picture, which is to

565
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: say that they result in more hand injuries and facial lacerations,

566
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Speaker 1: but there is less brain damage that they've been able

567
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Speaker 1: to measure. Still, it's a very limited study and it

568
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: doesn't really mean anything for the poor situation that we

569
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Speaker 1: have now, where it's a grieving family and a dead

570
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: man who tried to compete or ultimately did compete and

571
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: it took cost him his life. I'm not exactly sure

572
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: what the specifics are yet, but the Association of Boxing

573
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Speaker 1: Commissions came out and basically said to any state commission

574
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Speaker 1: this particular case, it's Mississippi if you're going to do

575
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,719
Speaker 1: BKFC and you're going to license some of these guys who,

576
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: by the way, they come here, you know after thirty five,

577
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: which is usually a benchmark in officiating circles about when

578
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 1: extra tests and screens need to be introduced for clearing

579
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 1: a fighter that they didn't really do any cat scans.

580
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: There was no MRI scan, there was no board center

581
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Speaker 1: fight neurologist looking at any of this man's work. There

582
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Speaker 1: was no work to be done. He probably did blood

583
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Speaker 1: work and not a whole lot else. Dude, this is negligent.

584
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Speaker 1: And if you're a fighter out there, I can understand

585
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: if you don't have any other work or you have

586
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 1: a bills that have to get paid. Dude, I truly

587
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 1: understand that, but you are in any case, Listen, fighting

588
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter how you do it. It's like smoking.

589
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: There's really no safe way to do it right in

590
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 1: any case. That one cigarette may not be the one

591
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: that gets you, but cumulatively it's about the same, or

592
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: at least the analogy works in that way. But in

593
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: this particular case, you have somebody who probably had a

594
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Speaker 1: pre existing medical condition. I'm assuming that I can't prove that.

595
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: I don't know that, but for situations like this, but

596
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: they usually find after the fact is through some autopsies

597
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: there was all kinds of medical red flags that a

598
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: proper screening should have gotten to. Like, why is the

599
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: UFC's records so good? Okay, they spend a lot of money,

600
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: but you know what does that twenty million really go

601
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: to a lot of it might be for the Performance

602
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: Institute and other things, and I'm not here to diminish it,

603
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Speaker 1: but I'm just saying how much of it goes to

604
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Speaker 1: pre fight screens. A lot of the reasons why the

605
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: UFC is in good shape is one, they go to

606
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Speaker 1: places with big commissions, or when they don't, they bring

607
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: good commission practices with them right when they self regulate

608
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: or whatever the case may be. Two they got younger

609
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: athletes in general, and three they just wout of get

610
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: a better class of referee over time. Like this is

611
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: the lesson to me, BC, This is really what I

612
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: come down on. I one time had a conversation with

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Speaker 1: farraza hobby and I asked him, what would you rather

614
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Speaker 1: have a commission that you could not trust in terms

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Speaker 1: of the opponent, in terms of the refereeing, in terms

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Speaker 1: of the judging, or an opponent who you knew had

617
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: taken steroids? And he would say, I would rather have

618
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: the bad commission. Boy, I would strongly caution against that

619
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Speaker 1: if I were you folks, from getting a bad deal

620
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: to the judging to getting a bad referee or whatever else,

621
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Speaker 1: or now pre fight screens. It is a clear and

622
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: present danger to go to a place if you are

623
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Speaker 1: thirty five years or older that doesn't do proper pre

624
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: fight screening. It is not okay. It is not acceptable,

625
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: and overtime bad shit will happen right in front of you.

626
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: Bad commissioning, lax commissioning, or just you know, not robust commissioning.

627
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: I should say that's a problem, and I guarantee Mississippi

628
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Speaker 1: regrets not doing more.

629
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Speaker 2: But ahead of this one, well, you know, BKFC put

630
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,959
Speaker 2: out a statement on Twitter from David Feldman, the promote,

631
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Speaker 2: you know, the leader, and you know, people criticize the

632
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Speaker 2: sentiments of it. I'm not here to do that. I mean,

633
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 2: I don't know what the promotion should do beyond that,

634
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 2: but I do want to echo again like this specific scenario,

635
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 2: Thornton paralyzed himself by the way he fell on his face,

636
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Speaker 2: according to the medical records, and he, like I mentioned,

637
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Speaker 2: was on a ventilator with a trachey out of me

638
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 2: and an IV drip. And Kleckler stated publicly that he

639
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 2: that Thornton died from pneumonia. So I mean, who knows,

640
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Speaker 2: you know, if this is a could have happened to

641
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Speaker 2: anybody's situation, it's just unfortunate. But you referenced the Association

642
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 2: of Boxing Commissions, which is head headed by Mike Mizzouli

643
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 2: there from the Mohican tribe. Luke, and that specific quote

644
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 2: in the statement that they gave to him, Junkie said, disturbingly,

645
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 2: and despite our recommendations, some jurisdictions regulating these events are

646
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 2: still not following the minimum medical guidelines set forth by

647
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 2: the ABC and the Association of Ringside Physicians. More concerning

648
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 2: is the fact that many commissions do not require any

649
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: imaging studies for cat scan or MRI in a sport

650
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 2: where injury, individuals are at a risk for acute and

651
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:29,239
Speaker 2: chronic head injuries. So it's it's sort of like, Luke, Uh,

652
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 2: you know what cripples boxing in general from being the sport.

653
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,959
Speaker 2: It could be the lack of organization from a more

654
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 2: promotional and network standpoint, but a lot of that is

655
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 2: still rooted in what we don't have across both fight sports,

656
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 2: which is uniforms code across the US in terms of

657
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 2: how the states handle everything from drug testing to medical

658
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 2: and I get that there's different levels of shows of events,

659
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 2: which which can you know, not every show can of

660
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 2: you know, can afford the elite Olympic level drug testing.

661
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 2: You know, But again, is this the sports? Are these

662
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 2: the sports that we want f around with moving forward?

663
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 3: You know?

664
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a.

665
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 2: Horrible stain on bkfc's record in terms of what they're

666
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 2: gonna be capable of moving forward, in terms of the

667
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 2: perceived danger, because let's be honest, they're selling extra danger.

668
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 2: They're selling bare knuckle, right, They're selling the idea that

669
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 2: this is gonna.

670
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: Not just their KNUCKLEBC, not just bare knuckle. But they

671
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: have to face off when the round starts. The ring

672
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: is smaller to induce action. The rounds are two minute sprints,

673
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: like everything is about close contact action.

674
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: And you know, and you got you got the other

675
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 2: bare knuckle one that Dotta five thousand runs, the BYB

676
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 2: that has that try gone ring, you know, Paul Malnaugi

677
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 2: in uh in Goldier, the announcers to that, and that's

678
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: like and even more like nowhere to run or hide?

679
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 2: I love, dude, I love all kinds of combat sports. Comeback.

680
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 2: Karate all like whatever, Luke, we run? Have you seen

681
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 2: this shit? All these all these barnyard knuckle sports, all

682
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 2: that just stuff is gonna go away if we keep

683
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 2: seeing stuff like this happening, which is the reason why

684
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 2: UFC is so smart to have a performance institute and

685
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 2: have so much money. I mean, I think Dana said

686
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,479
Speaker 2: in the interview Luke that because of their pre fight

687
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 2: medical screenings they've caught upwards of four fighters and pulled

688
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: them from fights who had major pre existing conditions that

689
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 2: weren't found before that could have led to an incompetition death.

690
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 2: So again, you know, if Thornton's death because of the

691
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 2: circumstances are a bit random or just you know, bad luck,

692
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 2: it's not gonna be the end of it if we

693
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 2: don't get this stuff dialed up. So you're not gonna

694
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 2: hear me anymore, Luke being excited about, you know, Dan

695
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 2: la Hoya and Trinidad touching gloves again to run back

696
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 2: their nineteen ninety nine first fight. I'm really done with

697
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 2: that stuff. I'm really, I really am. It's a young

698
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 2: man's sport. It's not a career. Look, this fight game

699
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 2: is not a career. It's a it's a moment in time.

700
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 2: It's a it's like saying an NFL player has a career.

701
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 2: You know, what's the average career length in the NFL.

702
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 2: What is it down to now? Year and a half?

703
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 2: Three years?

704
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: I mean, look at it, three years?

705
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the fight game. You know, maybe becaus

706
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 2: you can linger on regional levels, but like, this is

707
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 2: not a career. This is a moment in time where

708
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: you can make a lot of money in a short period.

709
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 2: And if we're not doing it right, let's not do

710
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 2: it anymore.

711
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: Last thing I'll say, I agree with everything you're just

712
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: talking about her. The last thing I'll say is, I

713
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't have the I don't have a

714
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: good explanation for what I'm about to say, but I've

715
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: seen it enough to know that it's a problem, which

716
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: is that there. It's in many ways, BC, you know

717
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: as well as I do. When we were kids. If

718
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: you're if you're a teenager now right and you're into

719
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: combat sports and you're just trying to figure out what

720
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 1: you're like, maybe you like boxing, kickboxing, you're watching everything

721
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: and whatever it is is appealing to you. Dude, this

722
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: is the golden era. We never had ESPN plus, we

723
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: never had Fight passed, we never had any of these

724
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 1: fucking things. We had to wait for the limited amount

725
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 1: of quantity, in the limited way in which it was delivered,

726
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: if our parents even let us in. As we got older,

727
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: you know, I think the options open up a little bit,

728
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: but they were always pretty narrow. Dude. Now is an

729
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 1: unbelievable time to be a combat sports fan. If you're into, like,

730
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: you know, sport jiu jitsu that shits on almost five

731
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: days a week. It's crazy how much there is now,

732
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: to say nothing of kickboxing, MMA, or whatever the case

733
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: may be. But as the as the Golden era, so

734
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: to speak, of combat sports has expanded, it's also expanded

735
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: what kinds of combat sports we entertain. I don't want

736
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: to make this necessarily about a taste level BC, but

737
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: I have a hunch. And again I'm not saying this

738
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 1: is right at all. I'm trying to figure out what's happening.

739
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: But I feel like there's a lot of new fans.

740
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: And when I say new, I don't mean just this year.

741
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: But you know, if I've been watching for a few years,

742
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,439
Speaker 1: and I've been watching for a very very long time,

743
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: that haven't seen some of these morality plays like you

744
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 1: and I have kind of over and over it, dude.

745
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: I've like, here's one thing that fighters don't realize as

746
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 1: media guys. If you're successful enough, I'm gonna watch careers

747
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: start and end, and then I'm gonna watch another career

748
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: start and end after that, and I'm still gonna be here.

749
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: I've seen this play enough times to kind of know

750
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: what's happening here. I feel like they just have a

751
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: thirst for the kinds of fights that you and I

752
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: have because we've been salty dogs and we're old and

753
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,919
Speaker 1: you know, lame now, but we've kind of seen like, eh,

754
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:57,879
Speaker 1: these lead down a path you don't want to go down.

755
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: Maybe this particular event will be okay, but there's just

756
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: been this expanded notion of what kind of combat sports

757
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: we should promote and celebrate, and there should be a diversity.

758
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: Not everyone's going to agree, but when you get to

759
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: the holy field part, when you get to I don't

760
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: having saying BKFC necessarily, but you know, guys who are

761
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: on terrible losing streaks over thirty five, you're in Mississippi,

762
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: these are these are reddish kind of flags, and it

763
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: resulted in this. I just feel like we need I

764
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know what we need. But I

765
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: feel like as long as this is in play, it's

766
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: going to be hard to get some of the stuff

767
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: to go away. That's it.

768
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, full agreeance, all right.

769
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: Topic number three, This is related. Didn't get a lot

770
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: of media, but I think this story is super interesting,

771
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: I mean really interesting. So Mark Ratner, who is the

772
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: VP of Regulatory Affairs over at UFC, for a long time,

773
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: was on Athletic Commission, but you know, for about almost

774
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: twenty years or something. For a long time has been

775
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 1: with UFC, and he's well liked, and he is mainly

776
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: the guy you could credit from the UFC side of

777
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: things for being the one who helped spearhead their efforts

778
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: to go state by state to get things regulated. But

779
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 1: now he said something, And I like Mark a lot,

780
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: So what I'm about to say is not a critique

781
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: of him personally, but it's a critique of the ideas

782
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: that he was professing and the policies that he wants there.

783
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: If you guys don't know the story, I'll make it quick. Colorado,

784
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: where the UFC got their start, by the way, has

785
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: adopted not a change to their rules, but they have

786
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 1: allowed the accommodation of one championship rules, which has sort

787
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: of different rules potentially about striking, but certainly also about judging.

788
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: You get the idea. They're willing to accommodate them if

789
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: one wanted to do that. They are the only state

790
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: athletic commission that has done that to this point, Mark

791
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: Ratner spoke to him a junkie and said he was

792
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: against it, and to the point BC he said the

793
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: following quote, what we need is an association of commissions.

794
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: I mean they have one. They don't really have the power,

795
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: and that's what needs to be stronger. The rules should

796
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: be the same in every state. It's terrible, and he

797
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: says in relation to Colorado, I would tell the world

798
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 1: that the UFC is not going there, And are said

799
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: about Colorado's decision to allow head stomps to competition. Again,

800
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: this is the one championship rules we're talking about here.

801
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: I would tell the governor that we would love to

802
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: come to Colorado, but you have to have the right rules.

803
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: So I'm against that. There's no reason to have these rules.

804
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 1: I don't understand why they would do that. Okay, BC,

805
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 1: this issue really bothers me a little bit. And the

806
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: reason why is because I brought this up previously and

807
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: people just laughed it off. A this is not a

808
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: joke with the UFC did was twofold. When they went

809
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: state by state by state, they always bragged they ran

810
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: towards regulation, and that part is kind of true if

811
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: they weren't the first ones to do it within the

812
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: UFC framework, but they did. They made a really conscious

813
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: effort to go state to state, even in states like

814
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: Tennessee that doesn't do a lot of combat sports, they

815
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: tried to get a commission up and running and making

816
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,439
Speaker 1: sure they could cover professional mma. That part is pretty good.

817
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: But the part of the reason why they do it

818
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: is what I always try to explain to people about

819
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: the UFC, Like when they create these performance institutes, Yes,

820
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 1: that will pay dividends for actors beyond just the UFC,

821
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: but they're not doing it for that purpose. It might

822
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: have that benefit, but that's not They're doing it a

823
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: lot to protect themselves. Namely, if you go state to

824
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: state and you make them borrow your rules, you reduce

825
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: the ability of competitors to have a different product by

826
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: virtue of innovation being totally dampened. Colorado said, we'll give

827
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: it a try. We will try to accommodate under these rules.

828
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean when UFC goes there they have to

829
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: obey those rules. They don't. They can stick to the

830
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: unified rules as they have it. BC. Are you a

831
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: little bit alarmed that the VP of Regulatory Affairs with

832
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: the UFC is bemoaning states broadening what rule sets they

833
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: will use to allow other actors into the space.

834
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 2: Well, it frames it like almost a mafiosa way of saying,

835
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 2: you know, if you allow these rules in your state,

836
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 2: we won't bring our shows there.

837
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: Right, That's exactly what he said.

838
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 2: It's almost like a Vince McMahon telling, you know, pay

839
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 2: per view providers, if you put on the WCW pay

840
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,439
Speaker 2: per view, we'll never get you a WWF one again,

841
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 2: which happened in the late eighties and was part of

842
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 2: you know that that promotions just take over monopoly and dominance.

843
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 2: I could see it putting it under that, Luke, because

844
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 2: different promotions tend to have different rules. And you know,

845
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 2: if his stance was I'm against kneeing a down opponent,

846
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 2: if that was what the stance is, then then you

847
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 2: know that's a personal stance and I'm not against it.

848
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 2: I tend to look at this as more in relation

849
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 2: as you mentioned to the previous topic, mostly because in

850
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 2: that statement that the Association of Boxing Commissions gave to

851
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 2: the MMA Junkie that Mike Mizzouli wrote one of the

852
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 2: things where that we can't enforce this state by state.

853
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 2: All we can do is suggest to them. And the

854
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 2: problem is that the states aren't taking these suggestions usually

855
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 2: in situations because they just want to make money. They

856
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 2: just want the easiest path to resistance.

857
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: Here.

858
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 2: Look, what we need is what we've always needed. I mean,

859
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 2: when you see this come in at the UFC level

860
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 2: and I'm not pushing the mark rat and the thing aside.

861
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 2: I'll get back to that, but it's like, you know,

862
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 2: where the rules change state to state. We hear it

863
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 2: say on the UFC broadcast. Sometimes the broadcasters for the

864
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 2: fighters are not sure. Wait what state are we into

865
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 2: the rule? What does that rule mean? I mean, the

866
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 2: fact that that's even a thing that's allowed is ridiculous.

867
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 2: What is stopping our country at this point unless you

868
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 2: have a fear of government control in this area of

869
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 2: creating a combat sports nationwide governing body that sets rules

870
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 2: across all fifty states, and you know, Native American territories

871
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 2: and your Losestados d D say whatever you call that

872
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 2: city you live in, Luke, What is stopping us from

873
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 2: having a national board that sets these regulations of safety

874
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 2: and if you want to have within that, Luke, in

875
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 2: adherence that allows if a promotion has a rule set

876
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 2: that's different, as long as the National Commission approves the

877
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 2: differences between them. So would be up to a national

878
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 2: commission in my eyes, working with the lead promoters to

879
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 2: determine is needs to a ground opponent in twenty twenty

880
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 2: one a safe thing. As long as it is cleared, Luke,

881
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 2: then I don't really care if one guy from the

882
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 2: UFC is saying we won't go back to this state

883
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 2: if they don't change their rules. The larger picture is

884
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 2: that we need a freaking national commission that avoids any

885
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 2: kind of loopholes or states that will allow you to

886
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 2: get away with things. What are we doing here, Luke? Okay,

887
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 2: we got the ABC, which by the way has boxing

888
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 2: and its title yet covers mixed martial arts too, not

889
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 2: weird enough. All they make are suggestions, can we make

890
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 2: a national commission? I mean, like, how many more bad

891
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 2: things have to happen? Before this type of action will

892
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 2: be taken. Luke, Well, I mean, because what Mark Bradner

893
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 2: is saying at its core is correct. Luke, we can

894
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 2: go down that road if you want, with what this

895
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 2: relates to one, but what Mark Ratner is saying at

896
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 2: a hole is the answer to a lot of these issues.

897
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: I don't think he's doing anything like that. He was

898
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: against and he wants a commission, but he doesn't want

899
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: any kind of federal mandate about or any kind of

900
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,439
Speaker 1: body with the federal mandating power. What they just don't

901
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 1: want our competitors with a different I mean, the argument

902
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: is impossible to take seriously. Right, you don't want to

903
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: go to Colorado because you think that they're I don't know,

904
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: sending a bad message with health and safety by allowing

905
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 1: this rule set. Okay, let's assume for a second we

906
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: could think that's true. Guys, you went to Florida a

907
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 1: million times, which just allowed as a sanctioning body Evander

908
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 1: Holyfield to fight like you. If you care about health

909
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: and safety, you won't go back to Florida, period, and

910
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: of course they will. So this argument is not I

911
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: don't know how to interpret it other than to say

912
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: it's just simply not accurate more of it to the

913
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: point you see, I'm not saying it's mafioso, but I

914
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: am saying that a large dominant power publicly saying we're

915
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: not going to go to a state that allows a

916
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: rule set that would allow a company with a different,

917
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: meaningfully different product to use their rules here ones that

918
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 1: by the way, I mean, I don't know what the

919
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: reality is with the totality of the health and safety

920
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: record of one, but it doesn't look to me majorly

921
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: distinguishable from any other major promoter for that level. We're

922
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: supposed to just assume that that's like a good way

923
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: to do business or to allow for innovation, like it's

924
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,240
Speaker 1: actually a bit of a problem if you want something

925
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: to be done in a way that's meaningful. I agree

926
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: a federal commission or at least having a binding power

927
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: with the Association of Boxing Commissions is how to get there.

928
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: But I just don't think folks are paying enough attention

929
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 1: to the fact that they're trying to bake in the

930
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: impossibility of innovation into government law. That's what they're trying

931
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: to do. That's a problem. Colorado said, we don't want

932
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: any part of that, and immediately you have them pushing back.

933
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: I just think that should make folks think twice about

934
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: the value of saying, oh, we give all this power

935
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: to the states. Well, now when the state wants to

936
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: exercise its power in a different direction, we're not going

937
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: to bring shows there. I mean, I don't think it

938
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: cripples the commission per se, But like, I don't know,

939
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: I don't think it sends the best message about how

940
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: they welcome other rules.

941
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 2: If it's out of if it's out of the right reasons,

942
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 2: you're not against it, right, So what if this is

943
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 2: just retin or saying I fully disagree with the one rules.

944
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then why would you go to places that

945
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: have a horrible health and safety record? Yeah, Like, I

946
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: just don't it doesn't compute. Oh, yes, gonna Colorado, Colorado,

947
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: who doesn't do the same business as Texas and Florida.

948
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: So it's not apples to apples, certainly, but doesn't have,

949
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 1: to my knowledge, any of the same problems related to

950
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: health and safety that Texas and Florida. We're gonna go

951
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: to Texas and Florida. Well, they'll put Dota five thousand

952
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 1: on a stretcher after a Belator show that's cool.

953
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 3: But.

954
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: Colorado's beyond the pale for rules that we don't even

955
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 1: have to abide by when we go there. It doesn't

956
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: make it makes zero sense.

957
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not like there's no issues with my

958
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 2: dream scenario of a federal commission either, Luke, Because if

959
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 2: the UFC got to a point where they felt they

960
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 2: felt they were being overly regulated, they would just take

961
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 2: all matters to fight island moving forward, right, I mean,

962
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:50,760
Speaker 2: that's that's that's how this works.

963
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:52,919
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I don't think I mean the whole,

964
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: the whole notion of like, oh, we can just go

965
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: to Texas, Florida and fight out. I don't really buy

966
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: that anymore. Dude, if you watch TV, how many sports

967
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: don't have fans in them like UFC is the only

968
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: one left now. Obviously their situation is different because they

969
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: had the apex to retreat to when there was nowhere

970
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 1: else to go. And I think that they planned a

971
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: calendar around that for twenty twenty one, probably prudently right.

972
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: They were like, you know what, we don't know exactly

973
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: how things is gonna shake out. Let's do the safer

974
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: option and make sure we're not getting fucked with in

975
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. I actually think that's probably the smart call.

976
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: I'm just pointing out, like this idea that you can

977
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: be closed off from the world, when even with COVID

978
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 1: doing whatever it's doing, the rest of the sports world's

979
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 1: kind of embraced it and sort of moved on, for

980
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: better or worse. The idea that you can just go

981
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: to Texas, Florida Fight Island, I don't buy that, Like,

982
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: you got to reach out to the rest of the world,

983
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: and that will require meaningfully some adjustments along the way.

984
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: I think.

985
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 2: Well, Dana says he still owes Taichi Palace something for getting.

986
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: His back Luke, Okay, he certainly does. All right, with

987
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: that in mind, let's go to topic number four. We

988
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: are just now what three days it was a Thursday, Friday, Saturday. Yeah,

989
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 1: three days away from the I don't know. I gotta SABC.

990
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: It's the third fight. We didn't really need to see it,

991
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: we weren't asking for it, and now that it's here,

992
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: I just can't wait. Tyson Fury taken on Deontay Wilder.

993
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 1: I want to sort of have a conversation about game

994
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 1: not game planning, but mapping out the future, BC, and

995
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 1: I want to start this way. Deontay Wilder has made

996
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 1: some statements recently that indicate he's kind of eyeing retirement

997
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: where he's got a few more things to do. He

998
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: didn't say after this fight, no matter what. He didn't

999
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: say that, but he did kind of hint that it

1000
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: wasn't too too far in the future. Maybe that's bullshit,

1001
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: but that's what he said. Okay, let me positive situation

1002
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: for you. Wilder has come into this fight denying the

1003
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: validity of what happened in the second fight. Yes the

1004
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: fight got stopped, and yes I got hurt, but I

1005
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: wasn't done. My coaches, in the case of Mark Brilin,

1006
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: were sabotaging me. They threw in the towel when they

1007
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: weren't supposed to. I shouldn't have been counted out. I

1008
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: had that big, hea heavy ass rig he was carrying.

1009
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: Like all all these reasons to say he didn't really lose.

1010
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: He has maintained some of those fictions. Okay, let's assume

1011
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 1: a world. We'll do the opposite a minute, but let's

1012
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 1: assume a world where Wilder goes in there for the

1013
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,720
Speaker 1: third time, made all these changes, and it amounts to nothing.

1014
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: It amounts to him losing in the exact same authoritative

1015
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 1: way that he lost before. Does he retire after the bout?

1016
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 2: It depends, It depends. I see the angle you're going here.

1017
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 2: I mean, it could depend financially, because there's a there

1018
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 2: are many many heavyweights that he could knock out. Look

1019
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 2: that he would go in there with not take a

1020
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 2: lot of punishment at six foot seven, with that power,

1021
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 2: even if they box for six seven. I mean, we've

1022
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 2: seen it before, right. It would come down to his

1023
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 2: want level. It would come down financially, because you know,

1024
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 2: he can make a hell of a lot money coming

1025
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 2: in against anybody. But you do wonder the fighting spirit especially.

1026
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the risk in fighting anyone a third time,

1027
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 2: especially when you enter a third fight against somebody when

1028
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 2: you haven't won any of them yet. The risk is

1029
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 2: that with that many consecutive defeats. And again, I know

1030
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,919
Speaker 2: the first fight was a draw, but we all sort

1031
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 2: of realize that Fury should have won that and was

1032
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,919
Speaker 2: very unlucky, if not robbed on the scorecards. I get

1033
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 2: what you're saying. I don't feel like wild There's gonna

1034
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 2: be around a ton longer. He's thirty five. He's got

1035
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 2: a style that you know, once solved at the elite level.

1036
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 2: We've seen it solved twice now and in a lot

1037
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 2: of ways by Tyson Furyal. The first fight ended up

1038
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 2: being closed because the knockdowns. You know, you're not I

1039
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 2: don't think he's somebody that's gonna hang around and just

1040
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 2: keep getting solved, is what I'm trying to say. Now,

1041
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 2: if he wins this, what's interesting what's developing during fight week.

1042
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 2: As much as we want to say, oh my god,

1043
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 2: what if Wilder wins, could we see fight four or

1044
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 2: five against each other? They're both saying this is the

1045
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 2: end of the rivalry. While they're saying, even if I

1046
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 2: knock him out, I'm done with this, it would be

1047
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 2: smart for a while. They're to be done with a

1048
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 2: guy who's really, you know, as far as we know,

1049
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 2: the only guy who could really do this to him,

1050
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 2: because Fury has the size, the brains, the balls, and

1051
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 2: the speed to pull off what he pulled off in

1052
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 2: that second fight to walk him down and do that

1053
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 2: to him. But there's almost a potential wand Man while

1054
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 2: Marcus situation here where if Wilder wins this fight, he's

1055
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 2: gonna feel like he won the rivalry, just like Marquez

1056
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 2: knocked out Paki on the fourth fight said we're done.

1057
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 2: We're not fighting again. I just showed you I won

1058
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 2: the rivalry. But regardless of that, there's a lot of

1059
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 2: things surrounding Deontay Wilder heading into this fight that are interesting.

1060
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 2: I do wonder that the court. The crux of your question,

1061
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 2: you know, is his heart. His heart's into it to

1062
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 2: get back and use the twenty By the way, it'll

1063
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,919
Speaker 2: be twenty months between the second and third fight. Neither

1064
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 2: of them have fought in the interim. None of us,

1065
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 2: including those two, thought this would be the scenario the

1066
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 2: way it played out with COVID, with the Joshua fight

1067
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,959
Speaker 2: almost happening, then the court injunction, we're almost two years later.

1068
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 2: I feel like Wilder's dialed in to give his very

1069
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 2: best effort. He's used that time, from what we can tell,

1070
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 2: the right way to come back. But yes, Luke, if

1071
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 2: he loses here, I do question what would be left

1072
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 2: for him to accomplish, because you know, the only way

1073
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 2: these guys would fight again is if Wilder knocks him

1074
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 2: out then goes and fights Usik and takes all the

1075
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 2: belts and then you know, I don't know, Fury beats

1076
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 2: Joshua and then we end up back in one more

1077
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 2: giant payday here? Would that? Could that happen? You never know.

1078
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 2: It's heavyweight boxing. But there's you know what's interesting here,

1079
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 2: Luke is one of the big storylines as much as

1080
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 2: the biggest storyline. What we talked about on Monday show

1081
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:30,879
Speaker 2: is Wilder's mindset, the changes to his camp the twenty months.

1082
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 2: How did he use that to improve There's obviously a

1083
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 2: flip side devil's advocate argument to that, which I want

1084
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 2: to know if you're worried about this, it's from this standpoint,

1085
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 2: why did Wilder fire Mark Breeland, who was the most

1086
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 2: by far decorated coach in his corner, the assistant trainer

1087
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,879
Speaker 2: of the former gold medalist and boxing champion. Hall of Famer.

1088
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 2: Mark Briland's a boxing mind. Why did he fire him

1089
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:58,800
Speaker 2: Luke out of what Wilder's calling disloyalty for throwing in

1090
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 2: the towel. There were a lot of people on the

1091
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 2: outside inn or people who have had a cup of

1092
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 2: coffee inside the Wilder camp have come out and said critically,

1093
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 2: is Wilder's got too many yes men? In his corner.

1094
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 2: That's why Jay Diaz stayed sliding down now to assistant

1095
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 2: trainer and Mark Breeland left. So as much as we're saying, okay,

1096
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 2: hiring Malik Scott, the forty year old former heavyweight who,

1097
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 2: by the way, lost to Wilder in a first round

1098
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 2: knockout that I remember when it happened, Luke. Some people

1099
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 2: are like, did he actually hit him? That looked a

1100
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 2: little questionable. We find out they're like best friends. Wilder

1101
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 2: wanted to give him the payday? Is he just bringing

1102
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 2: in another yes man. I think Malik Scott is a

1103
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 2: much brighter boxing mind than say a Jay Diiz and

1104
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 2: Scott's a smart, cerebral boxer. And if this is the

1105
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 2: way to get through to Wilder, someone that he trusts,

1106
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 2: and I don't know if you saw Deontay Wilder's interview

1107
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 2: from Tuesday's grand Arrival outside the Arena where Ray Flores

1108
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 2: talked to him and Wilder said, look, I finally have

1109
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 2: my brothers in my camp. I finally have family that

1110
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 2: I can trust. Okay, if that's the best way for

1111
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 2: Wylder to feel comfort, okay, but look, are we overlooking

1112
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,919
Speaker 2: the idea that Wilder just took out maybe the most

1113
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 2: integral important person in his camp, the only one that

1114
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 2: was looking out for him and Mark Breelan and just

1115
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 2: subbed in another yes man.

1116
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 1: There's only one way to find out. I tend to

1117
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: think that Malik Scott. Do you believe that Malik Scott

1118
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: would be doing what he's doing if he felt like

1119
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: he was just marking time? Like I got hired for

1120
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: something and I had noble intentions. But in the end,

1121
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: you know, Deonta's going to be who he is, and

1122
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: so I'm just going to help him kind of, you know,

1123
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: massage his downfall as best I can feather a bed

1124
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: for him as he falls no matter what. Or do

1125
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: you think he's in there because he thinks he can

1126
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: make a big difference. I tend to think he thinks

1127
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: he can make a big difference. I really do. I

1128
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: think he thinks that he might have to find unorthodox

1129
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: ways to get Deontay to comply with whatever it else

1130
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: he's advising him from a training perspective or this needs

1131
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 1: to change perspective's pride. By the way Deontay he does

1132
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 1: strike me as a guy can kind of convince to

1133
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: be doing things. But there there, there has you can't be.

1134
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 1: He's just he's not gonna let another man tell him.

1135
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: Some guy has to like get in his head and

1136
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,760
Speaker 1: convince him, and it has to make it a good idea,

1137
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: and like think about all the major amazing possibilities and

1138
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: someone of your incredible ability, what they could show if

1139
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: they did this, Like you gotta get him to buy

1140
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 1: into the system and then he'll go all in. I

1141
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: tend to think that's how Malik Scott has operated here,

1142
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 1: but we simply won't know until Saturday. It's why it's

1143
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 1: one of the most intriguing questions. I just feel like

1144
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: everyone's kind of assuming Joshua was gonna be Usick and

1145
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: then he didn't, And all of us are assuming that

1146
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: Fury's gonna be Wilder, and I still think that he will,

1147
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 1: but we haven't reconciled with the world or a What

1148
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 1: happens if he does or be the opposite BC. What

1149
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 1: happens if Wilder actually does the damn thing and gets

1150
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: the gets the win for the fans out there, is

1151
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 1: it realistic that he'll fight Usik? Would they do a

1152
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: fourth fight with I mean, let's say he gets them

1153
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: like he did in that first fight, except he doesn't

1154
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: get off the canvas something like that, right, like classic

1155
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: Deontay Wilder. Dude, what about that world? What happens then?

1156
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot to talk about what happens next

1157
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 2: on both sides. On the Fury side, his co promoter

1158
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 2: Bob Aarram of Toprak said they would be very willing

1159
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 2: if Fury beats Wilder in this third fight to entertain

1160
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 2: a fight against Dillian White in early twenty twenty. And Luke,

1161
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 2: besides Andy Ruiz Junior, who's busy tatting up his ash

1162
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,879
Speaker 2: cheeks more to come on Wednesday, mondays, have you seen

1163
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 2: this shit tattoo on ass? Uh? Besides him? Dillan, what's

1164
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 2: the next? Best? Along with Luis Ortiz? Have youweight in

1165
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 2: the you know, in the outer conversation of this. But

1166
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 2: it is interesting what happens if Wilder wins. I think

1167
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 2: that he's had enough with Fury and this rivalry where

1168
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 2: I believe him when he says we're not going back

1169
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 2: to a fourth fight. There's no contractual obligation this time

1170
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 2: heading into this one, Luke, do you believe that even

1171
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 2: though the winner of this will have just one belt,

1172
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 2: the WBC, and we'll have though the lineal championship for

1173
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 2: those like me who still care about that the guy

1174
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 2: who beat the guy who beat the guy, the real

1175
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,879
Speaker 2: recognized champion in the division. Do you think the winner

1176
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 2: of this fight is the power player, even though they

1177
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,399
Speaker 2: have less titles than Usik? Moving forward, the the A side,

1178
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 2: if you will, the decision maker in boxing when you

1179
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 2: are the A side, when you're a d La Hoyer

1180
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 2: or Mayweather or Canelo, you call the shots, you set

1181
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 2: the terms. Do you think that's kind of what's at

1182
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 2: stake here where Wilder can basically regain control of the

1183
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,359
Speaker 2: division if he redeems this loss. Of course, we're gonna

1184
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 2: have to wait to see if Joshua goes through with

1185
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 2: the Yusik rematch and if he wins or loses. But

1186
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 2: there's a lot at stake here, you know, from the

1187
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 2: face of the division standpoint for the winner.

1188
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of things if if Fury

1189
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: ends up winning. First of all, you just have this

1190
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: proximity where Joshua loses in a ret behind it Fury wins,

1191
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: So just that juxtaposition makes it a bad look for Joshua.

1192
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 1: I also think most people it's one thing to convince

1193
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 1: the boxing insiders, it's nothing to convince the broader public.

1194
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: You know, in the case of aj he does giant

1195
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: stadiums in the UK, But Tyson Fury is you know,

1196
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: he's selling out sensibly, are coming close to it anyway,

1197
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 1: doing big shows, Let's put it that way. In America, right,

1198
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: he has sort of crossed over to be an American

1199
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 1: star in certain ways, or at least in the last year,

1200
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 1: you know, well since the first Wilder fight anyway. So

1201
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: there's that. So like all of these sort of different,

1202
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: little soft measurements of power right where you're fighting internationally

1203
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas, and the sort of a triumphant victory

1204
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: relative to someone's proximate loss, those kind of matter. But

1205
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: the other part is like I feel like this was

1206
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: how do I say this exactly among the major power

1207
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: players in boxing, the really big ones, I'm not you know,

1208
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: this is not true either. I'll say this more recently.

1209
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: It just seems to me like Fury and Wilder have

1210
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 1: kind of set themselves a little bit apart from the

1211
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: rest of the pack. Ruiz got close with the win

1212
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: over Joshuay and was supposed to be Joshua's homecoming, but

1213
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 1: couldn't follow it up Usik did it, but did it

1214
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: in a way where it was to many people it

1215
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: was a bunch of a shock. They don't really know

1216
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: exactly what to make of it. There's no kind of

1217
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 1: processing it. These two guys have had a larger than

1218
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: life rivalry. They're bigger than life personalities in their own

1219
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 1: kinds of ways. They have elevated themselves through this rivalry,

1220
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: where Joshua was certainly elevated himself, but not by having

1221
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: that one foil that he faced down not once, not twice,

1222
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: but thrice. There is something to be said about not

1223
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: just the courage it takes to do that, but how

1224
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: much that can make the public view you as a separate,

1225
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: more significant pairing and entity relative to each other and

1226
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: the division than what Joshua was doing. Even if we

1227
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: can agree that Joshua's record of terms of who he's

1228
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 1: had to go through to get here is more than commendable,

1229
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: it's extraordinary.

1230
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 2: Just to bring a full circle on your original question here, Obviously,

1231
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 2: what we want to see most in this fight has

1232
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 2: wilder changed. Will he go after Fury? I mean, believe me,

1233
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 2: this has potential to be a slugfest if he does.

1234
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 2: But I hope Wilder has learned his lessons and you know,

1235
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 2: would he consider not coming back. We did see prince

1236
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 2: Na Simhamed, who had a very untraditional style Luke and

1237
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 2: was sort of loved being this front runner and in

1238
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 2: baiting people, in tricking people. The second he got solved

1239
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 2: by Marco Antonio Brera, he was done. He walked away.

1240
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 4: That was it.

1241
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 2: Sometimes that happens while there got solved. But to his credit,

1242
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 2: he he activated this third fight. He's gonna get it.

1243
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 2: We're gonna see what his future brings after this funny

1244
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 2: that they showed his his famous heavy suit that he

1245
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 2: wore Luke. I don't know if you saw Mark Raymondi's

1246
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:33,479
Speaker 2: ESPN story detailing the leak there was leak photos about

1247
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 2: while there's suit for the third fight, He's going just

1248
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 2: as large and ridiculous, Luke. So maybe we can squash

1249
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 2: the uh the excuse that the suit cost him the

1250
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 2: second fight.

1251
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, not if he loses uh last, but not least

1252
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: here on topics for the day before we get to

1253
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: everything else here on the show. There was an interesting

1254
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: article published a few days ago caused a bit of

1255
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,439
Speaker 1: an uproar in the community, which with what we didn't

1256
00:59:58,480 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 1: have time to get to it on Monday, but we

1257
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure we least touched on it before

1258
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: we entirely move on. So bloody Elba put out an

1259
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: article which is the side of bloodyebow dot com from

1260
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 1: vox Media. They since put out a second column behind it,

1261
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 1: being like, you know, saying the opposite, which, if you

1262
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: know who runs Bloodyolba, that makes entire sense. They often

1263
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 1: air a viewpoint and then right behind it air the

1264
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: opposite viewpoint so that readers can make an informed choice

1265
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 1: about which one they find more credible, But neither here

1266
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: nor there. The first of them was about how the

1267
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 1: UFC should replace Joe Rogan. The author I believe it

1268
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: was Trent Rainsmith had argued a series of things, but

1269
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 1: namely that there's just not a lot of contribution there

1270
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: in the UFC. In addition, is sort of doing business

1271
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: with the guy who does conspiracy theory and blah blah

1272
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 1: blah whatever the various. You can go read the piece

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Speaker 1: for yourself and decide, But the point that I was

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01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 1: more interested in considering was just the amount of uproar

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01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 1: this cause. So BC, what was your estimation? What did

1276
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: you learn about the community and Joe Rogan through the situation.

1277
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 1: What's your major takeaway from the controversy that it caused.

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01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 2: You got to take it with a little bit of

1279
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 2: grain of salt here. Luke obviously be because of Rogan's platform,

1280
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 2: and because when he makes certain stances and right now

1281
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 2: there's you know, stances on against COVID and MASS that

1282
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 2: people have been you know, have not fielded happily. So

1283
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 2: when you cross over into some of that political side,

1284
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 2: it can it can fuel people's decisions. I think, though,

1285
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 2: think that this was an interesting story to hit the

1286
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,439
Speaker 2: wave at the right time. Why because you know, Rogan

1287
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 2: had a hunting trip, so he missed the last pay

1288
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 2: per view. I think he's supposed to miss another one,

1289
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:29,919
Speaker 2: Luke for another gig he has schedule, which is completely fine.

1290
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 2: By the way, Rogan is at a such a point

1291
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 2: in his career he can call his own shots rightfully. So,

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01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 2: but I think Luke, what we saw in the absence

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01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 2: of him there with Paul Felder filling in, was in

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01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 2: some ways a more efficient broadcast. So the fact that

1295
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 2: the appetite of the public for someone who's been there

1296
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 2: for so long is starting to change is interesting. Right now,

1297
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 2: and it's not wrong. Right when you see somebody in

1298
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 2: there in one seat for so long, they change. It's

1299
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 2: hard for them to keep up that same spirit, that

1300
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 2: thing that made you fall in love with them, where

1301
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 2: for other people there's just the long term nostalgic. I

1302
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 2: want them there no matter what. I'll say this, Luke.

1303
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:09,439
Speaker 2: I've gone on record a couple months ago and saying

1304
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 2: the trio of Joe Rogan, John Annick and Daniel Cormier,

1305
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 2: I think it might be the best we've ever seen

1306
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 2: at one point in this sports history together. But that's

1307
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 2: because I enjoy the entertainment side of what they bring.

1308
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 2: And when you get DC and Joe Rogan together, you

1309
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 2: still get fight analysis. But what you really get, Luke,

1310
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:30,959
Speaker 2: is fight reaction. As if you're up in the hills

1311
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 2: in Calabasis with the boys breaking it down and laughing.

1312
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 2: You get a lot of oohs and ahs and big reactions.

1313
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 2: Sometimes that meshes perfectly with what's going on there. And

1314
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 2: sometimes I lean a little bit more toward wanting to

1315
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 2: be entertained during a broadcast than wanting to be educated.

1316
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 2: Maybe that's just because I'm at a fairly well despite

1317
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 2: what the listeners think about me. I'm at a fairly

1318
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 2: high knowledge of this, but I don't think the backlash,

1319
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 2: meaning the fuel behind that story being written, is necessarily wrong.

1320
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 2: Rogan's He's not much of an analyst anymore, Luke. He's

1321
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 2: an entertainer. He's a narrative teller. You know what His

1322
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 2: best role still does it great today is the video

1323
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 2: package before a fight that's supposed to get your hyped

1324
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 2: up and lay out the storylines. Nobody does that better

1325
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 2: than Joe Rogan. Why because sometimes you can fudge the

1326
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 2: truth a little and be like, this guy's one of

1327
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 2: the host historically best strikers wall you've everage. I mean

1328
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 2: like he's passionate, he's in the moment, he's there. That's

1329
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 2: what he's great at. He's a professional entertainer. Has this

1330
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 2: job passed him by not fully, Luke, But I think

1331
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 2: it's starting to and I just think where that's where

1332
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 2: the backlash is starting. If the backlash stays in that lane,

1333
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 2: I actually agree that it's kind of time to start

1334
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 2: having these conversations because surprisingly or maybe not, I really

1335
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 2: enjoyed Felder in that spot and maybe how professional the

1336
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 2: broadcast became, and you can like different things at different times,

1337
01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 2: and I like that UFC mixes it up often, if

1338
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 2: it's not because of the COVID backlash and just about

1339
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 2: his actual job. I do agree he's on the latter

1340
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 2: half of an all time great analyst career in the

1341
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 2: fight game. And if you're done with him, that's okay, Luke,

1342
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 2: because he's not. You know, it may have it may

1343
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 2: have outgrown him to a certain degree. And I don't

1344
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 2: think that's disrespectful or unfair to.

1345
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 1: Say that's an interesting perspective. Yeah, I don't. I don't.

1346
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 1: I don't know how it challenged too much of that.

1347
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:26,959
Speaker 1: I mean on the question of whether UFC should stop,

1348
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 1: you know, using him, you know, if I was in

1349
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 1: charge of the UFC for a day or something, No,

1350
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 1: I don't think I would do that, right. I mean,

1351
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 1: here's a guy who what did does reaction show you?

1352
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 1: It showed you that Joe Rogan has you know, if

1353
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 1: you looked at approval ratings right about, what did the

1354
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 1: average MMA fan think about these various characters and what

1355
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 1: is their approval rating as if they were a politician

1356
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 1: or something. I hate to put in those terms, but

1357
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 1: it's an easy way to describe what I'm talking about,

1358
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 1: Joe Roagan would have an extremely high approval rating, right,

1359
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 1: it would just be very, very very high. He'd be

1360
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 1: high among fighters, he'd be high among fans, and I

1361
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 1: think even for the most part to be high among media,

1362
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 1: although you probably get different levels at different places, but

1363
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 1: it's high. It's very very high. And so the intense

1364
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 1: reaction you saw to that was part of that, which

1365
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 1: I can understand, And so that's one reason to not

1366
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 1: gre bit of him. The other reason would be, like

1367
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 1: his role has I think what you homed in on

1368
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 1: is correct. His role has substantively changed to the audience. Right,

1369
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 1: So if you watch in the old days UFC thirty nine,

1370
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 1: forty whatever around that time, what you'll hear as a

1371
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan who was They needed somebody who could explain

1372
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 1: MMA to the audience in the most basic understandable terms,

1373
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 1: particularly the ground game, and they had a guy in

1374
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan, who had been on a sitcom and was

1375
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 1: now had done some work with Fear Factory. Was certainly

1376
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 1: the most publicly known MMA fans the way you could

1377
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 1: describe it. Obviously he was more than that, but that

1378
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 1: was one way to understand him, and he was the

1379
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 1: guy who puts your arm around you. On a broadcast,

1380
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, check this out. Watch when this

1381
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 1: guy steps over d d da da da da da

1382
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 1: da da explaining who was good at the ground game.

1383
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 1: He was your best friend that helped you understand fire.

1384
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 1: We all had a friend usually or a father figure

1385
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 1: or somebody in your life who's like, I'm gonna I'm

1386
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 1: gonna teach you how to watch fight sports and how

1387
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: to understand them and appreciate them. Dude, that was that guy.

1388
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 1: That is a profound thing to have in your fandom,

1389
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 1: like to that guy. For him to be there for

1390
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 1: you in that way, which is what I think Joe

1391
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 1: Rogan was, is extraordinary. But if you're looking for like that, now,

1392
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 1: he doesn't provide that level of sophisticated analytical work. I

1393
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 1: don't think he's trying to, but I don't think he

1394
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 1: does either. That's left to the Felders in the DCS.

1395
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 1: Now you're right now, he's the narrative presenter. He's the

1396
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 1: guy who synthesizes the information and puts it together in

1397
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 1: a coherent whole. And on top of that, he went

1398
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 1: from being like the guy who puts your arm around you,

1399
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 1: and now with his podcast having blown up, he's like

1400
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 1: the he's like the biggest ambassador that MMA has, for

1401
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 1: better or for worse, depending on one's perspective, certainly, but

1402
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 1: he is that. And I think from the UFC's perspective

1403
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 1: to the Dana and you know, their politics seem to

1404
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 1: be in for the most part in alignment. I think

1405
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 1: he likes some of the contraver that Joe Rogan courts.

1406
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 1: I think he likes, you know, the idea that Joe

1407
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 1: Rogan sticks it to certain audiences that they don't like.

1408
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 1: So if there, if you're the UFC, they're not getting

1409
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 1: rid of him anytime soon. The only part that I

1410
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 1: objected to in all of this is, you know me, like,

1411
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 1: I don't like MMA commentary that much anyway, not because

1412
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 1: it's universally bad. DC is, you know, a wealth of information.

1413
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 1: It's just MMA happens so fast. Even the best commentators

1414
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 1: have a hard time examining what they're looking at. The

1415
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 1: part that I found interesting was like everyone lashed out

1416
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 1: at Bloody Elbow, and then they lashed out the idea

1417
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 1: that this question was even in play. As BC indicated,

1418
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 1: it's a small audience and you can say their perspective

1419
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 1: is stupid, but there is a portion of the fan

1420
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 1: base that doesn't want Rogan there. Again, you can like

1421
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 1: them or hate them. You could say they're bigger or small,

1422
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 1: and they're small, but they do exist. Number one. Number two, like, dude,

1423
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 1: no one in MMA is above reproach or above questioning.

1424
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 1: You could say, if you wanted to that, maybe that

1425
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 1: some of the tone of the Bloody Eelbow article wasn't

1426
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 1: in keeping with like a good faith approach if you

1427
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 1: wanted to say that, potentially, but like the idea like

1428
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:02,000
Speaker 1: why can't we question certain things? Of course you can.

1429
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:04,919
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan is so popular, Like just just a mere

1430
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 1: suggestion about something negative about him elicits this immediate response

1431
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:12,440
Speaker 1: and like, oh hands off Joe. So dude, Joseph grown man,

1432
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 1: he can he can take criticism. And if it's back criticism,

1433
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 1: it'll go away tomorrow. Anyway. The last thing I'd say

1434
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:21,720
Speaker 1: is just about Bloody ELBOWBC. Now, as a matter of disclosure,

1435
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 1: I was the editor in chief THERAUP until about two

1436
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 1: thousand and nine ten, so it's been a long time

1437
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 1: since I worked there. But the guy who runs it

1438
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 1: was the guy I used to run it with. Let

1439
01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 1: me explain something to you about Bloody Elbow, Dude, They're

1440
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 1: not going to publish things that you like all the time.

1441
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 1: They're gonna publish shit you hate a lot because in MMA,

1442
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 1: people do not like to question powerful figures. They do

1443
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 1: not like to raise questions about things people like. What

1444
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:54,400
Speaker 1: MMA fans want from MMA media is to service their fandom.

1445
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:57,559
Speaker 1: They don't want the public interest for the most part,

1446
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:00,880
Speaker 1: serviced all that much. And Bloody Elbow, like any other site,

1447
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 1: has made a fair share of mistakes. They made a

1448
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 1: fair share of mistakes when I was the one calling

1449
01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 1: some of the shots over there. So you know, Mia Kolpa.

1450
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 1: But you need someone in this space, whether they are

1451
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 1: right or whether they are wrong, BC to say to

1452
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 1: audiences that don't want to hear it sometimes things that

1453
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 1: they don't want to hear. I don't agree that the

1454
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 1: UC sigurd of Rogan, but I'm last thing I'll say,

1455
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:25,760
Speaker 1: last sentence, literally last sentence. I am glad there is

1456
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 1: at least one place inside MMA that is not afraid

1457
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:31,639
Speaker 1: of challenging some status quo ideas.

1458
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:34,759
Speaker 2: Damn right, and that place usually is called Morning Combat,

1459
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:36,680
Speaker 2: but it's also Bloody elbow as well, Luke. And I

1460
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:39,599
Speaker 2: know Brendan came out hard in support of his boy

1461
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:41,880
Speaker 2: and really put it on the MMA media, But I

1462
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 2: know he's got other beasts with other guys. We're big

1463
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:46,720
Speaker 2: Brendan supporters on this show. Luke, you said, no one

1464
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 2: in MA is above reproach, even me. I think our

1465
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:51,360
Speaker 2: staff the other day was like, ABC, you're a little

1466
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 2: too ridiculous and arrogant on these zoom calls. Here, can

1467
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 2: we can we clean it up a little bit?

1468
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 5: Can you?

1469
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Well, you just wouldn't keep

1470
01:09:57,640 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 1: stop bringing up a terrible situation. I'm like, dude, staff

1471
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:01,680
Speaker 1: talking about it, and it was like this weird thing

1472
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:03,720
Speaker 1: where you had pulled the string on you and then

1473
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:04,640
Speaker 1: you just had to do it.

1474
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 2: My lesson, Luke. I don't want to be a distraction

1475
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 2: for this show at all, Luke, Okay, I want to

1476
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 2: fuel the good times on this show. But look, if

1477
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 2: the final statement, if Joe Rogan's schedule got a little

1478
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 2: bit more refined, I think that's the best thing moving forward.

1479
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 2: I'm not with anybody saying take him off the air

1480
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Speaker 2: because of what he said about COVID. I think that's

1481
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:25,599
Speaker 2: totally like, come on, that's that's not in this conversation.

1482
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:27,800
Speaker 2: It's more about performance, and I think we are seeing

1483
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 2: fighters who are especially DC, who are figuring out how

1484
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 2: to be entertaining and educational at the same time.

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01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:36,559
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and I would just say, you know, UC

1486
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 1: would be foolish to get rid of Rogan. But at

1487
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 1: the same time, at the NMA world does not like

1488
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:44,679
Speaker 1: having people question assume sets of wisdom.

1489
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 2: It's okay, should go anywhere, John Anick, shouldn't go anywhere,

1490
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:50,840
Speaker 2: because you know what, Luke, that guy is on the

1491
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 2: verge of becoming the best to ever do that job.

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01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:56,160
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm just letting that I agree. I completely agree,

1493
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 1: John asks the man. All right, we'll put that behind us.

1494
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 1: Let's go in to your portion of the show you

1495
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:04,360
Speaker 1: have talked. Let me just say this, BC, you have

1496
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 1: talked a gang of shit about how good the Wheel

1497
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:10,479
Speaker 1: of Death is. Today, sir, it is time for you

1498
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:11,680
Speaker 1: to deliver. Well.

1499
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:12,800
Speaker 2: I hope it plays out like that.

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01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 1: Luke.

1501
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:16,920
Speaker 2: We did have a bonus special guest who was unable

1502
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 2: to finish and provide the video that we were looking for, Luke,

1503
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:24,679
Speaker 2: but we still have a great group here ready, So look,

1504
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 2: here's what we do. You know the primus. Some Wednesdays

1505
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 2: we do this great segment called the Wheel of Death.

1506
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 2: It's based on the idea that Luke Thomas is so

1507
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:35,639
Speaker 2: here it is spinned. The Black Circle is so arrogant

1508
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:38,639
Speaker 2: and unwelcome to certain questions that we had to create

1509
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:44,040
Speaker 2: an uncomfortable segment in which hard hitting, sometimes ridiculous, sometimes

1510
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:46,800
Speaker 2: personal questions are there. So this segment is built upon

1511
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 2: the idea of good faith responses for decently faith questions. Only,

1512
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:55,760
Speaker 2: for the second time ever, your boy BC spun out

1513
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 2: the Rolo Decks, reached out to those famous folk who

1514
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 2: have come out and said, look, I love me some mk,

1515
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 2: I love what you guys are doing, and have joined

1516
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 2: forces today to create what can only be an exciting

1517
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 2: mix of the celebrity Wheel. So here's how it works, Luke,

1518
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 2: I won't have long intros this time, so you're gonna

1519
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:17,639
Speaker 2: be very happy. Ten categories, five spins of the wheel,

1520
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:23,639
Speaker 2: five celebrity questions, five actual responses from you. Let's look

1521
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 2: at the wheel. Here's your ten categories. We have rose before,

1522
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:34,160
Speaker 2: hose almost octagon, left wing fighters. Well, I don't even

1523
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:38,200
Speaker 2: know if that's a thing, Luke, Dad right, frosting the

1524
01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:42,840
Speaker 2: tips cell a bit Colombians, as if that's a thing.

1525
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 2: Luke sharing danusis.

1526
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:49,960
Speaker 1: There's plenty in the Catholic Church. Who are you know,

1527
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:50,800
Speaker 1: like nuns and shit?

1528
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 2: But okay, fathers who care my other job and Luke

1529
01:12:56,600 --> 01:13:01,160
Speaker 2: young lust. Luke, you get what you get. Please spin

1530
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:01,639
Speaker 2: the wheel.

1531
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:06,800
Speaker 1: These categories are a little bit unnecessarily insulting, but okay,

1532
01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 1: I'll play your game.

1533
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:22,000
Speaker 2: Almost octagone Luke to ask this question, Let's bring him

1534
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:25,639
Speaker 2: in one of the most famous voices in the history

1535
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:27,360
Speaker 2: of the damn Octagon.

1536
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 3: Luke Thomas, what's up, man, it's your friend John Anna.

1537
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:33,840
Speaker 3: I hope you guys are doing well, really enjoying the show.

1538
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 3: I have a question for you this week, and I

1539
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 3: could have gone in a number of different directions. I

1540
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:41,439
Speaker 3: could have asked you about your beloved Washington football team

1541
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 3: or any of the DC sports teams. I could have

1542
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:46,280
Speaker 3: asked you about cannabis. But I want to know, in

1543
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 3: all your time covering combat sports, whether in person or

1544
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 3: watching live at home or otherwise, what is the most

1545
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:53,840
Speaker 3: concerned you have ever been.

1546
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 2: For a fighter safety.

1547
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:58,960
Speaker 3: We just had a boxer die after competing in bare knuckle.

1548
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:01,640
Speaker 3: I covered a box seeing death LeVander Johnson back in

1549
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 3: two thousand and five, and I'm sort of forever scarred

1550
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:08,639
Speaker 3: by that night back in two thousand and five because

1551
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 3: you knew you were watching something that could potentially be fatal.

1552
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 3: So appreciate the opportunity to check in with you, my man, Luke.

1553
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:17,760
Speaker 3: I'm just curious, a little bit morbid, but uh, what

1554
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:19,760
Speaker 3: is the most concerned in your life? You have been

1555
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:23,160
Speaker 3: for a fighter's safety while watching combat sports? Love you, guys,

1556
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 3: hope to chop it up with you soon.

1557
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:29,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, John Annix's just the fucking man. I just

1558
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 1: can't say enough. Good thing. The only can I say this,

1559
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:34,600
Speaker 1: No one's perfect. The only thing about John Annick that

1560
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 1: is not perfect. He's just had over the top Boston

1561
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 1: sports fan, which I just can't stand. But everything else

1562
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 1: about him is just.

1563
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:44,879
Speaker 2: About the merch. How about John Annick wearing.

1564
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:47,439
Speaker 1: The one more sleep sleep Yeah yeah, yeah, dude, listen,

1565
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 1: he made it work for him. Go get checks is

1566
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 1: what I say. Go get chase.

1567
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 2: Hey, folks, buy that merch. Okay, support John Annick?

1568
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:58,800
Speaker 1: Please do that. I guess there would be two of them.

1569
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 1: There's probably been boxed, Like dude, just last week, this

1570
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:06,200
Speaker 1: guy Liam Smith or Calum Smith knocked out Jesus Christ.

1571
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 1: That was bad, you know on his own.

1572
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was Lennon Castill got knocked out by Smith.

1573
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 3: That was horrible.

1574
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:16,439
Speaker 1: That was horrible. And there and there's been ones like

1575
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 1: the Maxim Dada chev one where you know, you watch

1576
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 1: live and you just don't think anything of it, and

1577
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:23,560
Speaker 1: then later on you're like, holy shit, this guy you know,

1578
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 1: it was in the hospital and the later dies. So

1579
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 1: you know, there's been ones where I underrated it too.

1580
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 1: I guess there'd be two. I was in attendance for

1581
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 1: Kimbo versus Data, and Data looked like. I was there

1582
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 1: when they pulled him out of the ring and he

1583
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:39,760
Speaker 1: just looked terrible. I mean even I didn't know how

1584
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:40,720
Speaker 1: bad it was, but I was.

1585
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:44,479
Speaker 2: Like, uh, sorry to interrupt, but he actually died in

1586
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 2: the cage right Well, I.

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01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:47,599
Speaker 1: Don't know if he died his I mean, I don't

1588
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 1: know what they I don't know what. I don't know

1589
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:51,599
Speaker 1: what the medical classification of death ultimately is. But if

1590
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 1: you're asking, did his heart stop and they had to

1591
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:58,439
Speaker 1: like get it going again? Yes, So yeah, that was

1592
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 1: fucking terrible. But the other the one would be believe

1593
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:04,240
Speaker 1: it or not. Ended up not being that bad, but

1594
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 1: it looked really bad based on the way that he felt,

1595
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 1: which was when Nate Corey got knocked out by Rich Franklin.

1596
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 1: If you watch like Nate like did one of these

1597
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 1: numbers where he's almost like doing an airplane. I don't

1598
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:18,200
Speaker 1: mean to to diminish it anyway. I'm sure it was

1599
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:21,720
Speaker 1: fucking terrible, but it like when guys freeze a certain way,

1600
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:24,720
Speaker 1: or when the toes curl, you get a little And

1601
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:26,720
Speaker 1: that was one where I watched him fall and I

1602
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 1: immediately felt like, man, that was a mismatch. They should

1603
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:31,719
Speaker 1: not have made this fight, and I got real concerned

1604
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 1: when he fell the way that he did. I think

1605
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:35,920
Speaker 1: he was ultimately fine, but in that moment when he was,

1606
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:37,840
Speaker 1: when he was frozen like this and you could see

1607
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:40,719
Speaker 1: he was labored breathing. The Rory McDonald won against Lawler

1608
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:43,400
Speaker 1: was another one where I was like, you know, fuck,

1609
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 1: these are tough ones, man, So yeah, those would be

1610
01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:48,160
Speaker 1: the ones that come to mind.

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01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 2: It's a tough question, but it's an important one. I

1612
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:53,080
Speaker 2: appreciate John sending it. I've said before Luke that when

1613
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 2: I was KG sided for you, want a young j

1614
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:58,680
Speaker 2: Check versus Wailey Jong that fifth round and you know

1615
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:01,560
Speaker 2: you want his head, you know, I mean it was

1616
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:05,120
Speaker 2: such a violent fight with with no backsteps that I

1617
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:07,840
Speaker 2: was I was getting pretty nervous for both I think

1618
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 2: you and I also shared in the past that Mark

1619
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 2: Hunt versus Bigfoot Silva one around the late end of

1620
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 2: the fourth round as we were about to go to

1621
01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:19,439
Speaker 2: the fifth, there was so much blood and just damage

1622
01:17:19,479 --> 01:17:22,400
Speaker 2: that I was like, somebody should step in there. I'm

1623
01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 2: uncomfortable watching this.

1624
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:26,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, you real quick, how many times have you watched

1625
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:29,400
Speaker 1: the fight, either in person or on TV? And your

1626
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:32,519
Speaker 1: natural reaction based on what was happening was where you

1627
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:35,599
Speaker 1: had to watch through your fingers like you You're like, yes,

1628
01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:39,479
Speaker 1: Mark Hunt and Bigfoot the first one. I was just like,

1629
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 1: I could not fucking believe what these two were doing

1630
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 1: to each other. That was another one.

1631
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a there's a There was a fight on

1632
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 2: Showtime as a boxing match about twenty twelve ish Vic Darchinyan,

1633
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 2: you know, the Armenian champion Luke. He went in there

1634
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:54,400
Speaker 2: against a fellow named Victor Burgos, and and just it

1635
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 2: was one side of the whole way. And I remember

1636
01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:58,479
Speaker 2: just having a bad feeling in my stomach. And unfortunately

1637
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 2: Burgos afterwards I was the last fight of his career.

1638
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 2: He suffered some some medical results of that negative ones

1639
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:05,960
Speaker 2: that it was just one of those were in the moment.

1640
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:09,639
Speaker 2: And I was also unfortunately ringside for Mago met Abdu

1641
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:12,720
Speaker 2: salamof in twenty thirteen against Mike Perez which was you know,

1642
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:14,720
Speaker 2: it led to him being paralyzed and stuff. That was

1643
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 2: another it's tough, Luke, is it? That's why again look

1644
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:20,559
Speaker 2: coming out hard against this being a dangerous sport, because

1645
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:22,880
Speaker 2: it is. These sports are super dangerous. And once you

1646
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:25,760
Speaker 2: you know, John Anick was ringside when LeVander Johnson died

1647
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:28,320
Speaker 2: in boxing. When once you see it once man, it's

1648
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:34,200
Speaker 2: you know, it's all right. That was a serious question

1649
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:37,280
Speaker 2: and a serious answer. Let's get back to the wheel, Lucas,

1650
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:38,720
Speaker 2: time for Spin number two.

1651
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:46,439
Speaker 1: I like the celebrity edition better.

1652
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:53,000
Speaker 2: A little less BC. Hey dead, bron No, it's dead, right, Luke.

1653
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:55,680
Speaker 2: And speaking of dead, let's bring in in one of

1654
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:59,479
Speaker 2: my favorite musicians the basis of Dead and Company, formerly

1655
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:02,599
Speaker 2: of the Almonds Brothers and o'tel and friends. It's Otell

1656
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:04,160
Speaker 2: Burbridge coming in for this one.

1657
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:08,439
Speaker 4: Dear Luke, you say you don't believe in superstitions. I

1658
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:10,400
Speaker 4: take it that you mean you don't believe in anything

1659
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:14,560
Speaker 4: that cannot be proven objectively by the scientific method. But

1660
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:19,519
Speaker 4: if objective truth exists, then might subjective truths also exists?

1661
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:25,320
Speaker 4: Isn't love, in fact, a perfect example of a subjective truth?

1662
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:30,360
Speaker 4: Even scientific materialists probably love somebody, but they can't prove

1663
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:35,800
Speaker 4: that love exists objectively. In fact, don't all concepts of

1664
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:40,760
Speaker 4: morality exist only as subjective truths? And aren't all of

1665
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 4: our laws and attempt to impose these subjective truths on

1666
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:51,240
Speaker 4: our objective reality? And lastly, would love qualify as another superstition?

1667
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:59,920
Speaker 2: Sincerely, Otell Burbridge, look Otell, going deep here on you.

1668
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:01,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot there. I don't know if I

1669
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 1: can remember the entirety of the question, but no, there's

1670
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:05,679
Speaker 1: a lot there that I would say is not true.

1671
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:10,160
Speaker 1: Like love as a concept is simply a word that

1672
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 1: we ascribe to a series of both emotions. You could

1673
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:17,360
Speaker 1: measure based on some biological responses, but also more than

1674
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:21,880
Speaker 1: that about what it results in terms of familial care,

1675
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:27,400
Speaker 1: self care, romantic relationships, child reproduction. Although they're not exclusively

1676
01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 1: related to that, but they often can be overlapped. That's

1677
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:32,000
Speaker 1: simply a name that we give to some of these

1678
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:35,960
Speaker 1: associations and how we identify their strengths. But he is

1679
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:41,400
Speaker 1: right that, yes, by superstitions, I don't necessarily mean anything

1680
01:20:41,479 --> 01:20:44,880
Speaker 1: that you can't get through objectively from the scientific method,

1681
01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:47,400
Speaker 1: although I suppose maybe you end up there. I merely

1682
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 1: mean something that posits a supernatural explanation for natural phenomenon,

1683
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:55,960
Speaker 1: like you know, is there? Why is the podcast constantly

1684
01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:58,680
Speaker 1: featuring fighters will ultimately lose? There's probably a lot of

1685
01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:00,800
Speaker 1: reasons for that, but the one that I can't sign

1686
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:03,439
Speaker 1: on to is that there's some mystical force guiding it. Right,

1687
01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:05,360
Speaker 1: So that's sort of the point. But about the last

1688
01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:08,640
Speaker 1: thing you said about, aren't the laws this imposition of

1689
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:10,840
Speaker 1: subject to truths onto objective reality? Again, I have to

1690
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:12,680
Speaker 1: have a deeper conversation with him to know exactly what

1691
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:15,759
Speaker 1: he means, but not necessarily, like there are some ways

1692
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:20,200
Speaker 1: to think about which societies you would rather live in

1693
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:22,880
Speaker 1: and how they prioritize, what they spend money on, and

1694
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:26,600
Speaker 1: how they organize themselves. Namely, if you had a society

1695
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:32,920
Speaker 1: bates based on some kind of restrictive monastic religion versus

1696
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:37,000
Speaker 1: one that identified some measures of human flourishing as achievable

1697
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:40,800
Speaker 1: and laudable goals. You're going to get higher literacy rates

1698
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 1: on one side. You're going to get women who can

1699
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:44,639
Speaker 1: contribute to society. You're going to have a better democratic

1700
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:52,559
Speaker 1: process simply by orienting along something that rewards the challenges

1701
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:57,559
Speaker 1: and then the needs of the human experience versus something else.

1702
01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:00,960
Speaker 1: I don't know that that is the imposition of subjective

1703
01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:05,160
Speaker 1: experiences onto objective law. It seems to me quite the opposite.

1704
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 1: It seems to me writing at scale policies which tend

1705
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:12,839
Speaker 1: to produce better outcomes for the human experience.

1706
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:15,519
Speaker 2: So wow, all I can say is thank you to

1707
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:17,640
Speaker 2: the professors at William and Mary. Because Luke, I have

1708
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:19,360
Speaker 2: no idea what he just asked you, and I have

1709
01:22:19,479 --> 01:22:21,599
Speaker 2: no idea what you answered. But it was really fun

1710
01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:23,280
Speaker 2: here and the two of you converse.

1711
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:24,800
Speaker 1: You know, I would have to hear more because there's

1712
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:26,760
Speaker 1: a lot. He baked in a lot, and I guess

1713
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:28,720
Speaker 1: harved me to get to all of it, all right?

1714
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:30,800
Speaker 2: His love subjective? Luke, is it a superstition?

1715
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:34,000
Speaker 1: I guess not. It's not a superstition. But what what

1716
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:36,760
Speaker 1: we call it isn't exactly what it is, kind of

1717
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:38,479
Speaker 1: a thing. So he's onto something there.

1718
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:41,960
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, very interesting there, Luke, all right, hey, I

1719
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:43,760
Speaker 2: told you we're going deep today with these questions. You're

1720
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:44,240
Speaker 2: not saying.

1721
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:47,200
Speaker 1: No one asking like what's your favorite set of cleavage

1722
01:22:47,240 --> 01:22:47,800
Speaker 1: you liked when.

1723
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:51,000
Speaker 2: You were not like what I John Annack was like,

1724
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:52,640
Speaker 2: what kind of questions do you want? I'm like, you know,

1725
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:54,760
Speaker 2: ask him what song was on the radio the first

1726
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:56,320
Speaker 2: time he got to second base. You know, that's what

1727
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:58,360
Speaker 2: That's what I expect from people, but they brought it

1728
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 2: this time. Luke, all right, hey, let's get all over.

1729
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:03,479
Speaker 2: Thank you o'tel for that one. Let's get on over

1730
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:17,720
Speaker 2: to Spin number three. Hey, sharing danas pie something the

1731
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:20,320
Speaker 2: UFC not always willing to do with the Fighters. Luke,

1732
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:24,519
Speaker 2: we went into the world the professional football to draft

1733
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:31,280
Speaker 2: Springfield Masses own and former LA Chargers wide receiver coach.

1734
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 2: And you may remember this guy from tearing some ass

1735
01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:36,760
Speaker 2: on hard Knocks a couple of years ago. Here's the

1736
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:40,639
Speaker 2: irishman himself, Phil McKagan, Jamaican Irish.

1737
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:43,040
Speaker 6: Luke and BC, what's going on on your way to

1738
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:46,080
Speaker 6: one hundred K? My question for the wheel of Death

1739
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 6: has to do with fighter pay. So, as we know

1740
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:51,799
Speaker 6: the UC had a record year in twenty twenty, grocer

1741
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:54,600
Speaker 6: about nine hundred million in revenue. We also know that

1742
01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:58,840
Speaker 6: twenty percent of that money goes to fighter pack. If

1743
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:02,120
Speaker 6: we bumped into twenty three, that's an additional twenty seven million.

1744
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:05,040
Speaker 6: That's where our hypothetical question comes into play. If you

1745
01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 6: were Dana White, McK maynard, and Shawn Shelby, how would

1746
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:11,759
Speaker 6: you distribute that additional twenty seven million to the fighters?

1747
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:14,559
Speaker 6: A couple of suggestions would be assigning bonus in your

1748
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:19,760
Speaker 6: second contract, very similar to other sports leagues. Also a

1749
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:23,880
Speaker 6: one hundred and fifty thousand dollars bonus, say for the

1750
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:27,040
Speaker 6: first time and only once when you crack the top fifteen,

1751
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:31,200
Speaker 6: and maybe a longevity bonus of ten fights or so

1752
01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:34,680
Speaker 6: you get another low six figure bonus when you hit

1753
01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:37,240
Speaker 6: ten fights. These are just suggestions, just a couple of

1754
01:24:37,320 --> 01:24:39,920
Speaker 6: talking points to get you going really curious to hear

1755
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:43,080
Speaker 6: what some of your suggestions may be. A lot of

1756
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:45,519
Speaker 6: people complain about fight or pay, but they don't have

1757
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:48,920
Speaker 6: any suggestions. So I want to seek some solutions and

1758
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:50,760
Speaker 6: I want to see what you guys have to say,

1759
01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:54,479
Speaker 6: and you cannot spend any of this money on BC's

1760
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 6: fetty Liver Reform School or Katillion or anything that he

1761
01:24:58,120 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 6: made to clean up some of his rough edges. So again,

1762
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:06,240
Speaker 6: congratulations all your success. Love the show, big fan, all right, Kay,

1763
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:07,519
Speaker 6: nearly every day.

1764
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:13,439
Speaker 2: I call them, I called the ballet Rams. It was

1765
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:15,800
Speaker 2: La Chargers. I dead wrong myself in real life. But

1766
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:18,799
Speaker 2: Phil played played two seasons in the NFL, and alumni

1767
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:20,800
Speaker 2: of the University of Main big time fan of the show,

1768
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:23,479
Speaker 2: appreciate him wearing that shirt. But Luke, that's a good question.

1769
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:25,439
Speaker 2: What do you do with that three percent? Where do

1770
01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:26,000
Speaker 2: you share that?

1771
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:28,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let me just say one thing he did.

1772
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:30,240
Speaker 1: He may not like this answer, but I think it's

1773
01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:32,160
Speaker 1: the one. It's the one I've been giving a long time.

1774
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:35,040
Speaker 1: Which is there used to I've said this before. There

1775
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:37,400
Speaker 1: used to be a credible argument that could be made

1776
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:40,440
Speaker 1: about MMA media that they were ignoring fighter pay realities

1777
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:43,400
Speaker 1: in favor of access or whatever. They just weren't doing

1778
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:45,800
Speaker 1: the job. But that changed over the course of the years.

1779
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:47,920
Speaker 1: They actually really did the job in a very, very

1780
01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:51,000
Speaker 1: thorough way at this point, some more sturdily than others.

1781
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:53,160
Speaker 1: But you know that it's not a secret anymore about

1782
01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 1: what's happening, right, so in that sense, but what ends

1783
01:25:56,360 --> 01:25:58,479
Speaker 1: up happening is when MMA media has to do that job,

1784
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:00,640
Speaker 1: which I think again they rightfully did, but at some

1785
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:03,960
Speaker 1: point what you end up seeing is like the media's

1786
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:07,200
Speaker 1: job is to always advocate for higher fighter pay, and

1787
01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:09,280
Speaker 1: I got to tell you, like, I don't want that

1788
01:26:09,479 --> 01:26:11,800
Speaker 1: job anymore. I mean, will I will continue to kind

1789
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:13,040
Speaker 1: of do it in the sense that I feel like

1790
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:16,120
Speaker 1: it's necessary, but like, you know, what should happen when

1791
01:26:16,160 --> 01:26:19,000
Speaker 1: a fighter does something from a disciplinary perspective that means

1792
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:20,559
Speaker 1: that they should get in trouble. You know who should

1793
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:23,680
Speaker 1: answer that one is the fighter's fucking union. Right in

1794
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:26,880
Speaker 1: the NFL, all this shit is handled by the union,

1795
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:29,559
Speaker 1: whether it's disciplinary stuff, whether it's uniform stuff, whether it's

1796
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:32,679
Speaker 1: minimum salaries, whether it's what you get on the practice squad,

1797
01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 1: what you get in bonuses, what you get on game checks,

1798
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:38,400
Speaker 1: all that shit is handled by the NFLPA, which is

1799
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:40,560
Speaker 1: exactly how it should be. The media should be the

1800
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:43,679
Speaker 1: one sort of observing from afar. So my first answer

1801
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:46,040
Speaker 1: is I wish someone else would handle this because I

1802
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:47,439
Speaker 1: don't want to be the guy to make this call,

1803
01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:50,439
Speaker 1: forced to make the call, which is a spirit of

1804
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:53,880
Speaker 1: the question. Yeah, if you've got twenty seven million. If

1805
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:55,519
Speaker 1: you've got twenty seven million, there's a lot of different

1806
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:58,479
Speaker 1: ways you could cut it. You could go all in

1807
01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:01,280
Speaker 1: on a big fight that you really really wanted. Let's say,

1808
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:02,400
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what they want to do

1809
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:04,559
Speaker 1: with John Jones now that he's got these criminal charges,

1810
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:07,400
Speaker 1: but before that, you know, could you do that to

1811
01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:10,240
Speaker 1: make the fight with Francis Pour an extra ten million

1812
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:12,400
Speaker 1: on it and put the seven into whatever you want? Right,

1813
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:15,040
Speaker 1: That's one way. That's one answer you could go about doing.

1814
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:16,600
Speaker 1: But do you really want to do that? Probably not.

1815
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:19,760
Speaker 1: I think the way to maybe think about it is

1816
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 1: they always like to distribute things at scale, rather than

1817
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:25,280
Speaker 1: going like all in on this or all in on that.

1818
01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:28,720
Speaker 1: I think what they could probably do is, actually, you know,

1819
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:31,040
Speaker 1: one more caveat. They could put the twenty seven million

1820
01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:34,560
Speaker 1: into overseas development, like find another country upon which to

1821
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:38,440
Speaker 1: begin to plant some seeds about, you know, creating facilities.

1822
01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:40,200
Speaker 1: It will cost more than twenty seven million, but you know,

1823
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:42,080
Speaker 1: you could put that as a down payment or something.

1824
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:44,080
Speaker 1: But the way I would handle it is if you

1825
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:46,680
Speaker 1: have twenty seven million, that's about two million a month.

1826
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:48,439
Speaker 1: It's a little bit more than two million a month,

1827
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:51,080
Speaker 1: so you have a million extra every two weeks to

1828
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:54,760
Speaker 1: give away. I think you create all kinds of incentives

1829
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:57,280
Speaker 1: on fight cards to give it away, all different manner

1830
01:27:57,360 --> 01:28:03,800
Speaker 1: of performance, bonuses and rewards, and you just go on

1831
01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:08,040
Speaker 1: if you want to buy yourself publicity from the faithful

1832
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:10,320
Speaker 1: of MMA, which again Dana's like, hey, if these fighters

1833
01:28:10,360 --> 01:28:12,040
Speaker 1: don't want to say how much they make because they

1834
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:14,840
Speaker 1: don't want family members harassing him, like a completely illegitimate

1835
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:17,240
Speaker 1: way to not pay guys more right, But can you

1836
01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:21,559
Speaker 1: imagine Uncle Dana with a wheelbarrel rolling in there with cash,

1837
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:25,960
Speaker 1: handing out like Christmas, like my dad hanging outsh yes, dude,

1838
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:29,160
Speaker 1: get think about it. It sounds crude, but like my

1839
01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:33,720
Speaker 1: dad handing out Roy Rogers coupon's on Halloween, right, just

1840
01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:37,320
Speaker 1: showing up like your Michigan j frog strutting down. And

1841
01:28:37,439 --> 01:28:39,880
Speaker 1: you did this for a year on every fight card,

1842
01:28:40,280 --> 01:28:42,439
Speaker 1: they would fucking they would call you the King for

1843
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:45,599
Speaker 1: life doing something like that. You just gave away twenty

1844
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:47,080
Speaker 1: seven million, and you have to give away, and you

1845
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:49,920
Speaker 1: did in the most showy demonstrable way possible do the

1846
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:53,080
Speaker 1: dividends that would pay forward for that audience and for

1847
01:28:53,160 --> 01:28:56,880
Speaker 1: the fighters who just you know, believe that they're entitled

1848
01:28:56,960 --> 01:28:59,679
Speaker 1: to not make more for whatever reason. Oh my god,

1849
01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:02,800
Speaker 1: you wouldn't hear union talk for ten years after that.

1850
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:06,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would much rather have this pay this. Let's

1851
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:08,479
Speaker 2: say this was some kind of compromise like Phil put

1852
01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:11,040
Speaker 2: out there, and he's right, not very few people have

1853
01:29:11,160 --> 01:29:13,599
Speaker 2: answers on this. They just want to complain. But if

1854
01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:16,120
Speaker 2: I would think UFC would be you know, there's gonna

1855
01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:19,759
Speaker 2: be some until a full union in a walkout happens,

1856
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:21,479
Speaker 2: which you know, who knows if it ever would Luke,

1857
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:24,960
Speaker 2: there's got to be some smaller compromises along the way

1858
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:27,840
Speaker 2: that'll help pr and help the fighters feel better. I

1859
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:29,280
Speaker 2: would want it to go to the middle class and

1860
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:32,759
Speaker 2: lower class above you know, throwing an extra ten million

1861
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:34,360
Speaker 2: to make a super fight happen, because at the end

1862
01:29:34,360 --> 01:29:36,080
Speaker 2: of the day, UFC knows they can just wait these

1863
01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:39,200
Speaker 2: people out and they're going to want to eventually fight anyway.

1864
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:43,599
Speaker 2: So if you could even be really selfish and make

1865
01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:47,400
Speaker 2: it all finish performance based, like you're saying, like, basically

1866
01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:51,519
Speaker 2: you get a finish, you get an additional twenty five thousand,

1867
01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:53,680
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like above the above the

1868
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:56,599
Speaker 2: wind bonus, above the submission of the night bonus. I mean,

1869
01:29:56,600 --> 01:29:59,639
Speaker 2: there are ways that you can do it that. Look,

1870
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:03,720
Speaker 2: I can't see any more of these stories and not

1871
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:06,960
Speaker 2: feel any worse of fighters who can't pay for a

1872
01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:09,280
Speaker 2: training camp, can't pay for an elite training camp so

1873
01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:11,160
Speaker 2: they can become an elite fighter to try to actually

1874
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:13,799
Speaker 2: make enough money to quit their job at the airport.

1875
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:15,680
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Luke, Yeah, you gotta give him.

1876
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:17,559
Speaker 1: You got to show up with a stack of cash.

1877
01:30:17,680 --> 01:30:20,120
Speaker 1: And then you know, they're like Dave Chappelle, They're like

1878
01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:22,880
Speaker 1: wiping their tears away with one hundred dollars bills and

1879
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:25,320
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. You do that, and I'm telling you, man,

1880
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:27,519
Speaker 1: you make a big demonstration out of it, and that's

1881
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:28,680
Speaker 1: what you have to do. You gotta show up with

1882
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:31,559
Speaker 1: like the clear suitcase with just money stacked on the inside.

1883
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:34,640
Speaker 1: People would lose their shit, I guarantee it.

1884
01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:37,040
Speaker 2: Hey shout out to our guy, Phil McKagan, their former

1885
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:40,479
Speaker 2: standout in high school stand out at Agua mass not

1886
01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:42,040
Speaker 2: far from where I grew up. Luke there was a

1887
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:44,759
Speaker 2: part called Riverside. They're a nice amusement park that eventually

1888
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:47,439
Speaker 2: became a slick six Flags. Phil and I. You know,

1889
01:30:47,479 --> 01:30:49,960
Speaker 2: we're from the same area. We're cut from almost the

1890
01:30:50,040 --> 01:30:54,080
Speaker 2: same cloth, Luke, are you, although he resides in Cali now,

1891
01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:54,719
Speaker 2: but yeah.

1892
01:30:54,720 --> 01:30:54,920
Speaker 3: You were.

1893
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:58,080
Speaker 1: You were almost the wide receivers coach on hard knocks

1894
01:30:58,160 --> 01:31:00,200
Speaker 1: for the led Chargers.

1895
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:04,160
Speaker 2: Of all NFL positioning position coaches, Phil is the most

1896
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:06,880
Speaker 2: factory town. MMA. Ready, you know what I'm saying.

1897
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:09,760
Speaker 1: See, I disagree. I think if you're he was a

1898
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:13,280
Speaker 1: wide receivers coach, right, Yeah, yeah, you're right. I was

1899
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:17,080
Speaker 1: gonna say, the quarterback coach is the overrated one. They're

1900
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:20,759
Speaker 1: the ones that end up going like QB coach, offensive coordinator,

1901
01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:22,439
Speaker 1: head coach, and you're like, why is this fucking guy

1902
01:31:22,520 --> 01:31:24,960
Speaker 1: head coach? Oh, because he was a quarterback coach for

1903
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:27,880
Speaker 1: blah blah blah at Clemson or whatever. You know, But

1904
01:31:27,960 --> 01:31:29,760
Speaker 1: wide receiver, you gotta earn your You got to earn

1905
01:31:29,800 --> 01:31:31,559
Speaker 1: your your your dinner every night.

1906
01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:33,240
Speaker 2: It was gonna be a head coach. One day I

1907
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:36,519
Speaker 2: saw him on hard knocks. He was He's built for it.

1908
01:31:36,600 --> 01:31:37,280
Speaker 1: He's built for it.

1909
01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:40,559
Speaker 2: With maple syrup or jelly. Yeah, all right, Luke, two

1910
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:42,640
Speaker 2: more spins to go on today's Super How are we

1911
01:31:42,720 --> 01:31:43,320
Speaker 2: doing up to this point?

1912
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:45,120
Speaker 1: Look, we're going not so bad, not so bad.

1913
01:31:45,240 --> 01:31:48,920
Speaker 2: Okay, two spins left, Luke, you get what you get here?

1914
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:54,240
Speaker 1: We go? All right? Come on, non passive aggressive title.

1915
01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:57,880
Speaker 2: Oh the worst one, Oh fathers who care. At least

1916
01:31:57,920 --> 01:31:59,960
Speaker 2: one thing we can guarantee, Luke is that your father

1917
01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:02,519
Speaker 2: won't be asking a question right now. But I did

1918
01:32:02,600 --> 01:32:05,360
Speaker 2: find a father who did you d m him?

1919
01:32:06,280 --> 01:32:06,320
Speaker 1: No?

1920
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:08,320
Speaker 2: I did not. I mean, you know, I tried to

1921
01:32:08,360 --> 01:32:10,000
Speaker 2: go through your brother that time. He don't want anything

1922
01:32:10,040 --> 01:32:12,519
Speaker 2: to do with me. Maybe I'll track your sister dot dude.

1923
01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:15,519
Speaker 1: Literally, I had my dad. I FaceTime my dad so

1924
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:17,760
Speaker 1: he could talk to his granddaughter. This was two days ago.

1925
01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:19,560
Speaker 1: I swear to God this is true. And then I

1926
01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:21,080
Speaker 1: told him like as I hadn't talked to him like

1927
01:32:21,080 --> 01:32:22,639
Speaker 1: a week or something, and I told him, I was like, hey,

1928
01:32:22,680 --> 01:32:25,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to the Canelo fight for showtime, and you

1929
01:32:25,240 --> 01:32:27,040
Speaker 1: know we should be able to get a sit down

1930
01:32:27,080 --> 01:32:29,760
Speaker 1: with him. And the first fucking word out of his

1931
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:31,679
Speaker 1: mouth was, oh, yeah, if you're going to go to Vegas,

1932
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:33,360
Speaker 1: can you check in on one of my rental properties,

1933
01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:34,240
Speaker 1: and I was like, wow.

1934
01:32:34,120 --> 01:32:36,840
Speaker 2: Okay, come on, dad, come on, Rob Thomas, right, you

1935
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:38,840
Speaker 2: know what I mean. I know you're not crazy. You

1936
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:40,880
Speaker 2: are just a little unwell though. All right, Luke, I

1937
01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:43,639
Speaker 2: found a father who does care. Let's hear from him right.

1938
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:49,920
Speaker 5: Now, Dear Brian, Dear Luke. Considering the name of this segment,

1939
01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:53,240
Speaker 5: I'm not sure how my question fits in. It feels

1940
01:32:53,360 --> 01:32:56,280
Speaker 5: kind of like bringing cotton candy to a boorzoom concert.

1941
01:32:57,240 --> 01:33:00,559
Speaker 5: My question is which was the first word that children

1942
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:02,639
Speaker 5: said besides mommy and daddy?

1943
01:33:03,080 --> 01:33:03,479
Speaker 2: And why?

1944
01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:06,120
Speaker 5: As in, where do you think they heard that word?

1945
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:08,400
Speaker 5: In Look's case, I think it's a fair game to

1946
01:33:08,439 --> 01:33:11,760
Speaker 5: split the question into two. Which was the first English word?

1947
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:14,040
Speaker 5: And which was the first Spanish word that Veletta said?

1948
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:17,760
Speaker 5: And for extra points, which was the first word you

1949
01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:20,880
Speaker 5: said when you were kids? Mine was moon in my

1950
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:24,160
Speaker 5: native tongue of Greek. Thank you for taking my question,

1951
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:27,280
Speaker 5: and have a great celebrity will of death.

1952
01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:35,160
Speaker 2: First words, Look, Webscream is a very loquacious fellow. You know,

1953
01:33:35,240 --> 01:33:37,120
Speaker 2: he's the Greek voice of the ways app.

1954
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:38,920
Speaker 1: I do know that, yes, I don't know if the

1955
01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:45,400
Speaker 1: audience does but yes, um. First word in Spanish and English, well,

1956
01:33:45,479 --> 01:33:47,400
Speaker 1: for sure. Her first word and then my wife would

1957
01:33:47,479 --> 01:33:50,240
Speaker 1: verify this was papa. Papa was the first word.

1958
01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:52,400
Speaker 2: Is that for you or for your dad?

1959
01:33:52,920 --> 01:33:52,960
Speaker 4: No?

1960
01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:58,479
Speaker 1: For me? For me? Okay? The's first Yeah, it was

1961
01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:02,599
Speaker 1: very sweet. The first word beyond that of trying to remember,

1962
01:34:03,960 --> 01:34:09,320
Speaker 1: I think it was a sentence, really, which was are

1963
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:12,760
Speaker 1: you okay? She kind of got through with that. Like

1964
01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:16,639
Speaker 1: individual words, she knew a comma, which is bed. She knew.

1965
01:34:22,439 --> 01:34:25,599
Speaker 2: Her first paragraph was what are all those loud noises

1966
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:27,040
Speaker 2: in Uncle Philippe's room.

1967
01:34:28,520 --> 01:34:32,040
Speaker 1: He's just doing work, sweetie. That's all he's doing. He's

1968
01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:33,400
Speaker 1: just laying pipe. He's a plumber.

1969
01:34:33,560 --> 01:34:35,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's with the pipe Fitters Union.

1970
01:34:35,800 --> 01:34:39,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. Union, that's right, Steam Steam Fitter's Local two five

1971
01:34:39,479 --> 01:34:47,080
Speaker 1: three traffic. First English word beyond that, what, oh, I know?

1972
01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:54,360
Speaker 1: It was cream, which was short for ice cream. She

1973
01:34:54,720 --> 01:34:58,080
Speaker 1: loves what kid doesn't, but she loves ice cream, and

1974
01:34:58,160 --> 01:34:58,679
Speaker 1: it was cream.

1975
01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:01,479
Speaker 2: I thought you were gonna say she a huge prince

1976
01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:04,280
Speaker 2: in the new Power Generation fan Luke little Cream.

1977
01:35:05,560 --> 01:35:07,599
Speaker 1: She might be. She might be, but more to the point,

1978
01:35:07,680 --> 01:35:09,680
Speaker 1: she likes elatto, which is ice cream, so that I

1979
01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:10,439
Speaker 1: think it was loose.

1980
01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:13,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, my first word was dad. It was also

1981
01:35:13,960 --> 01:35:16,400
Speaker 2: the first words of my two sons. What about you?

1982
01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:19,479
Speaker 2: Did they tell you what your first word was? Lose? Luke? Help?

1983
01:35:19,640 --> 01:35:22,800
Speaker 1: Was that your first word probably suck my balls? Something

1984
01:35:22,920 --> 01:35:23,600
Speaker 1: awesome like that.

1985
01:35:27,200 --> 01:35:31,439
Speaker 2: Hell Gaff and Corey chiming in with as barf.

1986
01:35:32,439 --> 01:35:33,719
Speaker 1: I'll never forget. This is a true story.

1987
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:34,160
Speaker 2: I remember.

1988
01:35:34,280 --> 01:35:37,840
Speaker 1: I remember my like second grade was a real wake

1989
01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:39,840
Speaker 1: up call to the fact that my parents had been

1990
01:35:39,880 --> 01:35:43,280
Speaker 1: shielding me because I went to Watkins Elementary, which now

1991
01:35:43,320 --> 01:35:45,479
Speaker 1: I'm told is much nicer, but when I went in Washington,

1992
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:47,880
Speaker 1: d C. It was not money. And I remember like

1993
01:35:48,040 --> 01:35:51,559
Speaker 1: my first year of like second grade, someone had said

1994
01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:53,479
Speaker 1: to the words I've never even heard this before, like

1995
01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:56,080
Speaker 1: you'll suck my dick, And at the time, I was like,

1996
01:35:56,160 --> 01:35:57,880
Speaker 1: you know how old you are? In second grade? That

1997
01:35:58,080 --> 01:36:02,000
Speaker 1: was such a concept like mine bending moment. I was like, Wow,

1998
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:04,240
Speaker 1: I'd never even like thought of that before. That is

1999
01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:06,680
Speaker 1: that's really something that's that's out there.

2000
01:36:07,400 --> 01:36:10,160
Speaker 2: I remember in my elementary school when the bushes, when

2001
01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:13,120
Speaker 2: we found a magazine that was showing pictures of that action,

2002
01:36:13,320 --> 01:36:15,760
Speaker 2: you just articulated for the first time, and it's like

2003
01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:18,960
Speaker 2: that's the moment you lost your innocence and you'll never

2004
01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:22,320
Speaker 2: forget that gross feeling of seeing those pictures for the

2005
01:36:22,400 --> 01:36:22,880
Speaker 2: first time.

2006
01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:26,360
Speaker 1: Luke, you know what I mean? Hm, Yes, hikes.

2007
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:28,479
Speaker 2: All right, shout out to the great webscream though over

2008
01:36:28,520 --> 01:36:31,080
Speaker 2: there in Italy and his newborn son Petros. We're big

2009
01:36:31,160 --> 01:36:33,760
Speaker 2: fans on this side of the pond, all right, Luke,

2010
01:36:33,880 --> 01:36:36,439
Speaker 2: one more? You get what you get. We have one

2011
01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:43,880
Speaker 2: more celebrity waiting. Let's do this. Come on, big booty Latin.

2012
01:36:43,960 --> 01:36:44,840
Speaker 2: Oh wait, not this time.

2013
01:36:46,520 --> 01:36:48,800
Speaker 1: Didn't you take that off my other job?

2014
01:36:49,720 --> 01:36:52,400
Speaker 2: No, Luke, this isn't a question about you needing us

2015
01:36:52,479 --> 01:36:54,120
Speaker 2: to rush the show so you can get on over

2016
01:36:54,200 --> 01:36:58,000
Speaker 2: to serious XM. Those days are long over, Luke. But

2017
01:36:58,160 --> 01:37:02,400
Speaker 2: here's a familiar face from our travels on CBS Sports HQ.

2018
01:37:02,640 --> 01:37:06,519
Speaker 2: I'll let you know, trivia wise, the first African North

2019
01:37:06,560 --> 01:37:13,680
Speaker 2: African born man ever host SportsCenter. He's Libya's own Hakim

2020
01:37:14,479 --> 01:37:15,439
Speaker 2: Hakeem Dermish.

2021
01:37:16,520 --> 01:37:20,559
Speaker 7: This is Hakeem Dermish, CBS Sports HQ anchor, And Luke,

2022
01:37:20,720 --> 01:37:23,599
Speaker 7: I know that you've already been asked what job would

2023
01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:27,040
Speaker 7: you do if you weren't a combat sports analyst? And

2024
01:37:27,120 --> 01:37:30,080
Speaker 7: you'd be a soccer analyst. If it were me, I'd

2025
01:37:30,120 --> 01:37:31,519
Speaker 7: be a Major League baseball umpire.

2026
01:37:31,920 --> 01:37:32,479
Speaker 1: Ready for this.

2027
01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:39,360
Speaker 7: Right there, But since that question has already been asked,

2028
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:41,599
Speaker 7: I'll come up with another one because that's my job

2029
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:42,400
Speaker 7: to ask questions.

2030
01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:44,280
Speaker 1: So here it is.

2031
01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:49,639
Speaker 7: If you could choose to coach any UFC fighter, Which

2032
01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:50,439
Speaker 7: fighter would you.

2033
01:37:50,520 --> 01:37:51,360
Speaker 1: Choose to coach?

2034
01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:54,800
Speaker 7: And by the time you were done coaching them that

2035
01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:57,759
Speaker 7: person he or she would they be a big underdog

2036
01:37:58,240 --> 01:38:00,320
Speaker 7: or a heavy favorite come fighting?

2037
01:38:04,479 --> 01:38:07,360
Speaker 2: Humm? Look, how about how about Hakeem with the punch

2038
01:38:07,400 --> 01:38:07,800
Speaker 2: out there?

2039
01:38:08,280 --> 01:38:11,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know what, he lets those authoritative threes

2040
01:38:11,240 --> 01:38:21,320
Speaker 1: be known. What fighter would I coach? Jesus, I am

2041
01:38:21,479 --> 01:38:24,800
Speaker 1: woefully unprepared for that job. You know what I would do?

2042
01:38:24,920 --> 01:38:27,639
Speaker 2: So was so was coach Littori Luke, but she pulled

2043
01:38:27,680 --> 01:38:29,040
Speaker 2: it off to the record of one and one.

2044
01:38:29,120 --> 01:38:31,080
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll tell you what I would do, and I'd

2045
01:38:31,160 --> 01:38:34,679
Speaker 1: make this real simple. Uh Max Max Holloway, Max hollow

2046
01:38:34,720 --> 01:38:38,560
Speaker 1: would be the guy I coach because BC if I

2047
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:41,840
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I have like the lock on anyone's game,

2048
01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:43,840
Speaker 1: but if I have one on someone in m A,

2049
01:38:43,880 --> 01:38:46,000
Speaker 1: I feel like I've got a pretty good, pretty good

2050
01:38:46,720 --> 01:38:50,360
Speaker 1: idea of what he's doing. Also with Max, dude, he's

2051
01:38:50,439 --> 01:38:53,200
Speaker 1: a little bit on auto pilot. That's that's a very

2052
01:38:53,360 --> 01:38:56,200
Speaker 1: much an over simplification. I do think his corners and

2053
01:38:56,520 --> 01:39:00,440
Speaker 1: his trainers and his coaches are you know, Gracie Technicks,

2054
01:39:00,479 --> 01:39:03,679
Speaker 1: Ivan Flores, all those guys are just amazing. They're amazing.

2055
01:39:03,800 --> 01:39:06,639
Speaker 1: But Max is you know, he's experienced at this point

2056
01:39:06,640 --> 01:39:08,759
Speaker 1: where I've been a champion, stopped ze Al though twice,

2057
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:12,200
Speaker 1: like holds all these records, you know, best boxer taking

2058
01:39:12,280 --> 01:39:14,920
Speaker 1: the best boxer him made. Does he really need a

2059
01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:16,680
Speaker 1: ton of my help? I don't think he needs a

2060
01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:20,560
Speaker 1: ton of my help. So or the other way to

2061
01:39:20,640 --> 01:39:22,400
Speaker 1: do it be see, you know what could we correct that?

2062
01:39:23,120 --> 01:39:24,800
Speaker 1: Let me correct the record? You know who I would coach,

2063
01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:27,639
Speaker 1: because I couldn't do shit all for them? Who pays

2064
01:39:27,720 --> 01:39:30,200
Speaker 1: the biggest cutout to their coach? That's what I want

2065
01:39:30,280 --> 01:39:32,719
Speaker 1: to know. So I guess I would be like Connor's

2066
01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:34,920
Speaker 1: coach and just let him win or lose. But then

2067
01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:36,840
Speaker 1: I just get a big ass check. That's what I

2068
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:37,280
Speaker 1: would think.

2069
01:39:37,280 --> 01:39:39,719
Speaker 2: That's already what John Kavanaugh does, right.

2070
01:39:42,240 --> 01:39:45,720
Speaker 1: But shuh, yeah, I would do that. I would do

2071
01:39:45,800 --> 01:39:47,679
Speaker 1: that because I'm not gonna help you win. You're asking

2072
01:39:47,680 --> 01:39:49,720
Speaker 1: if they're gonna be underdog. Well, probably the you know,

2073
01:39:49,880 --> 01:39:51,519
Speaker 1: Max would be the favorite, Connor would be the favorite

2074
01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:52,040
Speaker 1: or something like that.

2075
01:39:52,200 --> 01:39:55,560
Speaker 2: But I'm trying to get that would obviously I like that.

2076
01:39:55,720 --> 01:39:58,040
Speaker 2: I like that question. I would obviously coach.

2077
01:39:58,320 --> 01:39:58,719
Speaker 1: Yo wanna.

2078
01:39:58,960 --> 01:40:01,559
Speaker 2: I mean, let's tick here, right, you know what I mean?

2079
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:05,679
Speaker 2: We'd both be winners. Okay, you know what I'm saying. Yes, yes.

2080
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:07,800
Speaker 2: By the way, Webscream chiming in in real time for

2081
01:40:07,880 --> 01:40:11,200
Speaker 2: Mitaly Luke saying when when Violeta first said cream, it

2082
01:40:11,280 --> 01:40:14,439
Speaker 2: was obviously short for web scream, so that that's.

2083
01:40:14,439 --> 01:40:17,920
Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, I don't think that was it. Okay, okay,

2084
01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:19,360
Speaker 1: all right.

2085
01:40:20,120 --> 01:40:22,320
Speaker 2: All right, Luke, that's the Celebrity Wheel of Death this week.

2086
01:40:22,360 --> 01:40:23,640
Speaker 2: You ever you ever want to do it again? What

2087
01:40:23,720 --> 01:40:24,080
Speaker 2: do you think?

2088
01:40:24,439 --> 01:40:26,080
Speaker 1: Yeah? I do. I like Celebrity Wheel of Death. It

2089
01:40:26,120 --> 01:40:29,120
Speaker 1: was like it started. It started good, but a little

2090
01:40:30,160 --> 01:40:32,719
Speaker 1: as they might say in the Household of William Buckley

2091
01:40:32,760 --> 01:40:35,559
Speaker 1: Junior at lugubrius. It was a little lugubrious to start,

2092
01:40:35,720 --> 01:40:38,880
Speaker 1: but it turned around and made it was a happy

2093
01:40:38,880 --> 01:40:40,200
Speaker 1: affair by the end. We got to see.

2094
01:40:42,280 --> 01:40:45,200
Speaker 2: Yes, special thanks to all five of our celebrities, Luke,

2095
01:40:45,360 --> 01:40:47,559
Speaker 2: you know for chiming in this week, helping us out

2096
01:40:48,040 --> 01:40:51,080
Speaker 2: making this segment great again after you know, we've hit

2097
01:40:51,160 --> 01:40:53,960
Speaker 2: some some some dead dead ends with this segment. Luke,

2098
01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:55,920
Speaker 2: I don't know if it still has life in person.

2099
01:40:56,280 --> 01:40:59,280
Speaker 2: It's wonderful. Although the UFC Wayan Show has kind of

2100
01:40:59,320 --> 01:41:02,360
Speaker 2: stolen our thon although Luke and fairness people say we

2101
01:41:02,479 --> 01:41:07,879
Speaker 2: stole this from a few different shows, including Blah Mohammed's podcast.

2102
01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:10,479
Speaker 2: So if that's the case, Luke, it's you know, what

2103
01:41:10,600 --> 01:41:14,320
Speaker 2: do they say, uh, Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

2104
01:41:15,560 --> 01:41:16,559
Speaker 1: Yes, that's what they say.

2105
01:41:17,360 --> 01:41:19,880
Speaker 2: Okay, well that's what they say, all right, So shout

2106
01:41:19,920 --> 01:41:22,000
Speaker 2: out to all our favorite celebrities there for chiming in.

2107
01:41:22,280 --> 01:41:24,120
Speaker 2: Thank you, Luke. Can't wait to get you to a

2108
01:41:24,160 --> 01:41:25,800
Speaker 2: Dead and Company concert so we can hang out with

2109
01:41:25,840 --> 01:41:26,920
Speaker 2: o'tel and John May.

2110
01:41:27,880 --> 01:41:30,120
Speaker 1: He's like, he's one of our better fans of the show.

2111
01:41:30,920 --> 01:41:34,120
Speaker 2: We can talk bad about, you know, death metal and stuff.

2112
01:41:34,120 --> 01:41:36,760
Speaker 1: It's gonna be fantastic. He will be more on my

2113
01:41:36,920 --> 01:41:38,600
Speaker 1: side than you think. I guarantee it.

2114
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Speaker 2: I can't wait till we all hang out, Okay, I

2115
01:41:41,160 --> 01:41:43,240
Speaker 2: can't wait till we we test out.

2116
01:41:43,400 --> 01:41:45,400
Speaker 1: And we all have to wear drug rugs and smell

2117
01:41:45,479 --> 01:41:46,080
Speaker 1: like fentanyl.

2118
01:41:46,760 --> 01:41:48,360
Speaker 2: I would love that. I'd love if we just jam

2119
01:41:48,479 --> 01:41:48,920
Speaker 2: out together.

2120
01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:49,160
Speaker 1: Luke.

2121
01:41:49,200 --> 01:41:51,759
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll be the lead singer. You can play belly

2122
01:41:51,880 --> 01:41:54,920
Speaker 2: drums like my dad's famous for yeah, Luke. Okay, all right, Luke.

2123
01:41:55,000 --> 01:41:56,640
Speaker 2: That's that wheel of death for the week. But we

2124
01:41:56,720 --> 01:41:59,839
Speaker 2: have another segment we do for fun. The email addressed

2125
01:42:00,120 --> 01:42:05,920
Speaker 2: you insert is called Morningcombat at gmail dot com. Dead

2126
01:42:06,000 --> 01:42:09,560
Speaker 2: wrong on Friday, but Wednesdays are reserved for you to

2127
01:42:09,720 --> 01:42:13,640
Speaker 2: send in your artwork, your animations, your pictures of you

2128
01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:18,679
Speaker 2: and your significant others wearing our clothing. It's called fans omission.

2129
01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:26,200
Speaker 2: Woo whoop, We've got mail. All right, Luke, Let's see

2130
01:42:26,200 --> 01:42:29,240
Speaker 2: how many of these folks were there. January sixth, we

2131
01:42:29,320 --> 01:42:31,800
Speaker 2: start with Ryan, Hey, Luke, and Brian A wee pick

2132
01:42:31,880 --> 01:42:34,360
Speaker 2: of me and my new donk Army T shirt at

2133
01:42:34,439 --> 01:42:39,160
Speaker 2: my in laws restaurant here in South Korea. Luke, Wow,

2134
01:42:39,320 --> 01:42:41,960
Speaker 2: love the show, listen to it every day to and

2135
01:42:42,080 --> 01:42:45,160
Speaker 2: from work. Cheers to both of you. It's Ryan. This

2136
01:42:45,320 --> 01:42:46,679
Speaker 2: guy's got a lot of soul.

2137
01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:50,960
Speaker 1: Brother, Yes, yes, dude, he's got blow that picture up

2138
01:42:51,000 --> 01:42:55,760
Speaker 1: for just a second. Let me see that thing. Is

2139
01:42:55,840 --> 01:42:58,679
Speaker 1: it my imagination or is he wearing army fatigues for pants?

2140
01:42:59,640 --> 01:43:02,240
Speaker 2: I think they're shorts. They could have like paint stains

2141
01:43:02,280 --> 01:43:05,000
Speaker 2: on them, Luke, I'm not really sure, but he's looking

2142
01:43:05,080 --> 01:43:07,599
Speaker 2: good in armor. Look, we have fans in South Korea.

2143
01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:08,639
Speaker 2: Holy crap.

2144
01:43:09,040 --> 01:43:11,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, I'm dying to go to South Korea. It

2145
01:43:11,080 --> 01:43:14,479
Speaker 1: looks awesome. I really want to go. Congrats to this dude.

2146
01:43:15,360 --> 01:43:16,519
Speaker 2: Would you go to North Korea?

2147
01:43:16,600 --> 01:43:20,320
Speaker 1: Luke? I might go to like the DMZ to take

2148
01:43:20,360 --> 01:43:22,280
Speaker 1: a look. I don't have a hankering to go see

2149
01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:24,479
Speaker 1: a place like that, you know what I'm saying? Yeah?

2150
01:43:24,720 --> 01:43:27,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, What do you think Ryan's story is, Luke? Why

2151
01:43:27,920 --> 01:43:31,439
Speaker 2: is he there closely?

2152
01:43:31,960 --> 01:43:33,479
Speaker 1: Do you think he's on the run from like like

2153
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:37,560
Speaker 1: creditors or something. Do you think he was not? I?

2154
01:43:37,880 --> 01:43:39,880
Speaker 2: No, no, yeah it could be Luke I was. You know,

2155
01:43:39,960 --> 01:43:42,120
Speaker 2: we have no we have no place for Brian Laundry

2156
01:43:42,200 --> 01:43:44,760
Speaker 2: jokes here or Pat Tillman. Okay, let's keep it going here, Luke.

2157
01:43:44,800 --> 01:43:47,679
Speaker 2: All right, Joshua slides and says, hey, guys, my daughter

2158
01:43:47,840 --> 01:43:50,320
Speaker 2: just lights up. When Luke brings his own daughter on

2159
01:43:50,479 --> 01:43:53,519
Speaker 2: the show. Love your show. Can't wait for the new

2160
01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:56,040
Speaker 2: content to drop, Luke. If you're ever in San Luis

2161
01:43:56,200 --> 01:44:00,360
Speaker 2: Obispo area, let's get lit on pre work out and

2162
01:44:00,479 --> 01:44:03,519
Speaker 2: crush some Max Dead's. I don't know what that means, Luke,

2163
01:44:03,560 --> 01:44:04,760
Speaker 2: but look at this beautiful girl.

2164
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:08,360
Speaker 1: She's very cute, and then she sees Violetta and she

2165
01:44:08,560 --> 01:44:10,200
Speaker 1: loves her. That's very sweet.

2166
01:44:11,600 --> 01:44:17,240
Speaker 2: Uncle b c n sliding in there. Yeah, good cable man,

2167
01:44:17,400 --> 01:44:18,040
Speaker 2: great cableman.

2168
01:44:18,600 --> 01:44:21,080
Speaker 1: San Luis Obispo is where Chuck Liddell is from.

2169
01:44:21,840 --> 01:44:24,600
Speaker 2: Yes, yes he is. Remember when the every sentence was

2170
01:44:24,720 --> 01:44:28,280
Speaker 2: like Chuck Liddell who has an accounting degree? Remember back

2171
01:44:28,320 --> 01:44:30,760
Speaker 2: in those days when it was like, we are not savages,

2172
01:44:30,840 --> 01:44:34,640
Speaker 2: We just have mohawks with headtats, Luke, big fan of

2173
01:44:34,720 --> 01:44:37,439
Speaker 2: Joshua and his family. Here a lot of talk that,

2174
01:44:37,680 --> 01:44:41,080
Speaker 2: you know, my fun and games did stop vio from

2175
01:44:41,160 --> 01:44:43,639
Speaker 2: crying for that short few seconds, Luke.

2176
01:44:44,200 --> 01:44:46,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure it was not resting on her father,

2177
01:44:46,680 --> 01:44:50,800
Speaker 1: but your nonsense that really did the trick.

2178
01:44:51,760 --> 01:44:54,840
Speaker 2: I can't wait to meet her, Luke. Did is she okay?

2179
01:44:54,920 --> 01:44:56,320
Speaker 2: Did you get to the root of the problem.

2180
01:44:56,600 --> 01:45:00,400
Speaker 1: She's fine, she's fine, She's just she came back. Apparently

2181
01:45:00,479 --> 01:45:01,800
Speaker 1: she came back from the park and wanted to play

2182
01:45:01,840 --> 01:45:05,000
Speaker 1: with some kid's toy and uh, we're like, you have

2183
01:45:05,080 --> 01:45:07,920
Speaker 1: to share, and she had, you know, to your old

2184
01:45:07,920 --> 01:45:08,840
Speaker 1: fit about it. What are you gonna do?

2185
01:45:09,439 --> 01:45:11,000
Speaker 2: She's a big splash pad fan.

2186
01:45:11,640 --> 01:45:13,479
Speaker 1: You know who is who is it?

2187
01:45:13,960 --> 01:45:14,080
Speaker 3: Hey?

2188
01:45:14,640 --> 01:45:17,000
Speaker 2: Hey, Norman has three photos for us to look at.

2189
01:45:17,080 --> 01:45:20,200
Speaker 2: He says, here's some fan subs from p ones, Bill

2190
01:45:20,280 --> 01:45:24,040
Speaker 2: and Jen. Wow, who's not Why is Norman sending in

2191
01:45:24,160 --> 01:45:25,680
Speaker 2: some Bill and Jen? I'm down with it though.

2192
01:45:25,720 --> 01:45:26,000
Speaker 1: Okay.

2193
01:45:26,280 --> 01:45:29,160
Speaker 2: Here's Jen at the Mesa Arch Luke, Bill and Jen

2194
01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:33,880
Speaker 2: continuing their West Coast tour of the National Parks canyon Lands. Okay,

2195
01:45:33,960 --> 01:45:39,000
Speaker 2: this is a mesa Verde Canyon Lands and Arches National Park.

2196
01:45:39,080 --> 01:45:42,559
Speaker 2: So Luke, they did the tour there of Colorado, of Utah.

2197
01:45:43,160 --> 01:45:47,200
Speaker 2: There's Bill at Glacier in Montana. Look, I love these two.

2198
01:45:47,400 --> 01:45:49,000
Speaker 2: When are we gonna get these two on the show?

2199
01:45:49,160 --> 01:45:49,280
Speaker 3: Right?

2200
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:51,840
Speaker 1: We gotta do we have? We should get in an

2201
01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:54,439
Speaker 1: RV and do MK on the road for like six

2202
01:45:54,520 --> 01:45:55,880
Speaker 1: weeks and see if we kill each other.

2203
01:45:56,800 --> 01:45:59,280
Speaker 2: That would be great. That would be actually speaking of

2204
01:45:59,360 --> 01:46:01,960
Speaker 2: the whole gab Potito unfortune situation. I hope Bill, Bill

2205
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:03,439
Speaker 2: and Jen could have been on the scene as live

2206
01:46:03,479 --> 01:46:04,559
Speaker 2: corresponders for US.

2207
01:46:04,560 --> 01:46:07,960
Speaker 1: Luke an opportunity missed. Way to go Bill and Jen.

2208
01:46:08,120 --> 01:46:11,439
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I'll continue your tour of if they ever

2209
01:46:11,560 --> 01:46:14,280
Speaker 2: make it to the East coast, Luke, like Jersey City area.

2210
01:46:14,760 --> 01:46:16,840
Speaker 2: We got to have these two on the rooftop or

2211
01:46:16,960 --> 01:46:17,639
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.

2212
01:46:19,080 --> 01:46:21,800
Speaker 1: Uh, I'll probably ignore and walk past them and not

2213
01:46:21,880 --> 01:46:23,599
Speaker 1: say hi, because that's what I like to do. But yes,

2214
01:46:23,760 --> 01:46:24,439
Speaker 1: that's a good idea.

2215
01:46:25,280 --> 01:46:27,559
Speaker 2: Fine Americans, as you would say, Bill and Jen. Thank

2216
01:46:27,600 --> 01:46:30,160
Speaker 2: you Norman for sharing these picks. Love love our friends

2217
01:46:30,200 --> 01:46:32,920
Speaker 2: there wearing our merch out there in the great wild

2218
01:46:33,080 --> 01:46:36,000
Speaker 2: West of our country. All right, Luke, here's Arthur, he says,

2219
01:46:36,120 --> 01:46:39,240
Speaker 2: a Hey, MK team. This meme is made to honor

2220
01:46:39,360 --> 01:46:45,360
Speaker 2: Luke's feelings about the resume review curse give me zoom

2221
01:46:45,400 --> 01:46:45,760
Speaker 2: in please.

2222
01:46:50,320 --> 01:46:51,479
Speaker 1: I don't get it.

2223
01:46:53,320 --> 01:46:55,840
Speaker 2: They're saying, let's do a resume review on planet Earth.

2224
01:46:56,920 --> 01:46:59,080
Speaker 2: Then it leads to the end of the world, and

2225
01:46:59,160 --> 01:47:02,120
Speaker 2: then Luke is not willing to admit that the resume

2226
01:47:02,280 --> 01:47:03,120
Speaker 2: review is real.

2227
01:47:03,640 --> 01:47:04,200
Speaker 1: Is that the joke?

2228
01:47:04,320 --> 01:47:06,760
Speaker 2: That's what that says, that's the joke. It's well done, Luke,

2229
01:47:06,760 --> 01:47:07,760
Speaker 2: it's well played by Arthur.

2230
01:47:07,960 --> 01:47:09,519
Speaker 1: See. I don't think it's well played. I think it's

2231
01:47:09,600 --> 01:47:13,640
Speaker 1: done quite poorly, but uh appreciate you sending it in

2232
01:47:13,840 --> 01:47:14,280
Speaker 1: just the same.

2233
01:47:15,000 --> 01:47:17,560
Speaker 2: Do you think they call him already the one man party.

2234
01:47:19,120 --> 01:47:20,760
Speaker 1: Only when he's got tight shorts on?

2235
01:47:21,720 --> 01:47:23,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, those guys usually end up in jail, guys that

2236
01:47:23,680 --> 01:47:26,360
Speaker 2: are named that. All right, jose A is here, he says, Hey, dongs,

2237
01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:29,000
Speaker 2: it's Jose Alfonso. Once again, you're number one fan from

2238
01:47:29,040 --> 01:47:32,280
Speaker 2: Brazil with another meme. While I don't believe in curses,

2239
01:47:32,320 --> 01:47:34,840
Speaker 2: I do find it fascinating and hilarious that this streak

2240
01:47:34,920 --> 01:47:37,200
Speaker 2: is still going. I would also like to clarify one

2241
01:47:37,280 --> 01:47:40,200
Speaker 2: thing for mister Thomas. Even though I used a Pepe

2242
01:47:40,400 --> 01:47:44,599
Speaker 2: meme last time, it had no political connotation whatsoever. I'm

2243
01:47:44,640 --> 01:47:48,240
Speaker 2: fully vaccinating and raiding the Capitol building is not one

2244
01:47:48,280 --> 01:47:51,559
Speaker 2: of my hobbies. Candidly, it's Jose all.

2245
01:47:51,479 --> 01:47:53,240
Speaker 1: Right, blow this one up, because this one looks pretty good.

2246
01:47:54,200 --> 01:47:56,719
Speaker 1: The curse of resume review. She wants your winning streak.

2247
01:47:56,760 --> 01:47:58,519
Speaker 1: Who is that upside down? Is it me?

2248
01:47:59,439 --> 01:48:01,719
Speaker 2: It's you in like a jet IPOs or something.

2249
01:48:02,040 --> 01:48:05,880
Speaker 1: Yeah? Uh, not bad, not bad. This one's better, okay.

2250
01:48:06,360 --> 01:48:09,040
Speaker 1: I like the BC, like the thousand yard stair you

2251
01:48:09,120 --> 01:48:10,040
Speaker 1: got going there on the right.

2252
01:48:11,479 --> 01:48:14,840
Speaker 2: I think Jose Alfonso like the rapie. French teacher David

2253
01:48:14,880 --> 01:48:17,559
Speaker 2: Appleton is becoming a regular in these parts, like Dickles

2254
01:48:17,600 --> 01:48:18,479
Speaker 2: and webscream right.

2255
01:48:19,160 --> 01:48:21,280
Speaker 1: Yes, maybe I don't know if he's a French rapist.

2256
01:48:21,280 --> 01:48:24,080
Speaker 1: Perhaps he's a different kind. But they seem to be

2257
01:48:24,200 --> 01:48:27,799
Speaker 1: followers of our work. Unfortunately, some people hate this segment.

2258
01:48:27,840 --> 01:48:30,519
Speaker 2: I don't get it, Lukie. It's very masturbatory from us,

2259
01:48:30,600 --> 01:48:33,760
Speaker 2: but that's what we do, right, yeah, exactly. I mean,

2260
01:48:33,760 --> 01:48:35,559
Speaker 2: if you're gonna come right, I'm gona come on all right.

2261
01:48:35,640 --> 01:48:38,799
Speaker 2: Sean Series says, what's up, guys, I'm an illustrator from Ireland.

2262
01:48:39,120 --> 01:48:41,840
Speaker 2: You all recently spoke about a former supergroup band. I

2263
01:48:41,960 --> 01:48:45,080
Speaker 2: figured this band would need some album art. Couple of

2264
01:48:45,240 --> 01:48:49,200
Speaker 2: merged memes here pieces together while watching doc five cheers

2265
01:48:49,280 --> 01:48:51,240
Speaker 2: and thanks for all the great content. Can we blow

2266
01:48:51,320 --> 01:48:51,840
Speaker 2: this up here?

2267
01:48:54,000 --> 01:48:57,200
Speaker 1: Vulgar display of anger? That is fucking god?

2268
01:48:58,080 --> 01:49:00,479
Speaker 2: Is that a Saint Anger meets Pantera?

2269
01:49:01,479 --> 01:49:04,679
Speaker 1: It's a Saint Anger meets Pantera meets tip to tip.

2270
01:49:04,800 --> 01:49:08,719
Speaker 1: It looks like wow with a middle finger too Wow,

2271
01:49:10,880 --> 01:49:15,360
Speaker 1: that is just it's just that's just excellent. This should

2272
01:49:15,400 --> 01:49:17,040
Speaker 1: be the logo of all the documentaries.

2273
01:49:18,040 --> 01:49:20,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. A lot of talk about Doc sik

2274
01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:23,200
Speaker 2: Zuke gonna be filmed in Vegas ahead of around the

2275
01:49:23,280 --> 01:49:26,320
Speaker 2: Ucnelo flaight should be interesting kill. Look, Doc five is

2276
01:49:26,400 --> 01:49:29,960
Speaker 2: a critical and dare I say commercial success? Although, Luke,

2277
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:32,559
Speaker 2: can you answer this for me real quick? We got

2278
01:49:32,600 --> 01:49:35,760
Speaker 2: almost one hundred thousand subscribers. How come we can't get

2279
01:49:35,840 --> 01:49:38,559
Speaker 2: more than twenty seven thousand people to click play?

2280
01:49:38,960 --> 01:49:39,000
Speaker 3: Like?

2281
01:49:39,200 --> 01:49:41,760
Speaker 2: Is there really two thirds of our fan base that

2282
01:49:41,960 --> 01:49:44,760
Speaker 2: won't even try that shit? They won't even like attempt

2283
01:49:44,840 --> 01:49:45,479
Speaker 2: to hit the button?

2284
01:49:45,880 --> 01:49:50,679
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't get that. I don't quite get it either,

2285
01:49:50,880 --> 01:49:54,320
Speaker 1: except that's just the way our audience works. Bro, I

2286
01:49:54,360 --> 01:49:57,760
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't The answer is yes, but I

2287
01:49:57,840 --> 01:50:00,479
Speaker 1: don't have a good answer for yes, if that makes sense?

2288
01:50:01,240 --> 01:50:04,080
Speaker 2: All right, all right, Hey, Shane's back, He says, I'm

2289
01:50:04,160 --> 01:50:07,760
Speaker 2: a baltimoron here. I good show, guys, Let's cut to

2290
01:50:07,840 --> 01:50:11,280
Speaker 2: the chase, pull back on the docks. Three in one

2291
01:50:11,360 --> 01:50:14,519
Speaker 2: year in retrospect? Is enough? Plowing ahead? Next time? I'll

2292
01:50:14,520 --> 01:50:17,160
Speaker 2: have something for the math leete this time. Here's something

2293
01:50:17,280 --> 01:50:20,800
Speaker 2: for the methlete. Ps. If Luke Thomas does turn up,

2294
01:50:21,400 --> 01:50:24,320
Speaker 2: the gain on his live chat does not turn up,

2295
01:50:24,360 --> 01:50:27,120
Speaker 2: I'm going to drive to DC and bowling ball his

2296
01:50:27,320 --> 01:50:31,040
Speaker 2: leather cheerio cheers from Baltimore, Luke, what is bowling ball?

2297
01:50:31,080 --> 01:50:32,000
Speaker 2: Your cherio mean?

2298
01:50:32,439 --> 01:50:34,720
Speaker 1: I don't know something that people from Baltimore say when

2299
01:50:34,720 --> 01:50:38,400
Speaker 1: they're done cleaning Old Bay off of their fingernails. Okay,

2300
01:50:38,960 --> 01:50:41,000
Speaker 1: so is this supposed to be an Iron Maiden thing?

2301
01:50:42,760 --> 01:50:45,559
Speaker 2: That's a call me crazy BC on a Morning Combat

2302
01:50:45,600 --> 01:50:48,080
Speaker 2: Iron Maiden cover. That's interesting. Lucas strait jacket.

2303
01:50:49,040 --> 01:50:50,599
Speaker 1: It's pretty good. It's pretty good.

2304
01:50:51,000 --> 01:50:52,519
Speaker 2: It's aggressive, but.

2305
01:50:52,720 --> 01:50:55,400
Speaker 1: I like the Morning Combat lettering. I don't like to

2306
01:50:55,479 --> 01:50:59,559
Speaker 1: call me crazy lettering. Okay, okay, right, it's good.

2307
01:51:00,280 --> 01:51:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got one more, Luke.

2308
01:51:03,439 --> 01:51:05,000
Speaker 1: This is from now.

2309
01:51:05,160 --> 01:51:07,240
Speaker 2: Remember the guy that gave us the shoey. The shoe

2310
01:51:07,560 --> 01:51:11,320
Speaker 2: himI is a Jamie or Himie. I don't know. Hey, guys,

2311
01:51:11,439 --> 01:51:13,560
Speaker 2: this is the shoey. Donk made a quick trip to

2312
01:51:13,680 --> 01:51:17,680
Speaker 2: Vegas and had to stop by the bet MGM sportsbooking

2313
01:51:17,720 --> 01:51:20,000
Speaker 2: bar where you guys held the live show for two

2314
01:51:20,120 --> 01:51:23,200
Speaker 2: six four, still rocking the shoes and putting them to

2315
01:51:23,400 --> 01:51:26,519
Speaker 2: use one hundred percent willing to donate them to the

2316
01:51:26,600 --> 01:51:29,960
Speaker 2: new studio. Yes, keep up the great content, you guys.

2317
01:51:30,120 --> 01:51:34,919
Speaker 2: Rock Luke. This fella Himie who allowed us to contract

2318
01:51:34,960 --> 01:51:38,439
Speaker 2: a few different venarial diseases from his shoe. That's the

2319
01:51:38,479 --> 01:51:40,400
Speaker 2: best idea I ever heard. I would actually love to

2320
01:51:40,520 --> 01:51:43,080
Speaker 2: like frame that shoe in like a glass box.

2321
01:51:43,520 --> 01:51:47,600
Speaker 1: Yes, I think that is a perfect idea. We absolutely

2322
01:51:47,760 --> 01:51:51,880
Speaker 1: need to add it to our eventual new studio. Although

2323
01:51:51,880 --> 01:51:54,759
Speaker 1: I would say, you know, I guess he has different

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Speaker 1: shoes on. I'm assuming he's not wearing these, because that's

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Speaker 1: as much as Elly wore. Yeah, I was gonna say,

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Speaker 1: as much as I appreciate you buying merch, maybe don't

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Speaker 1: buy our merch and get some new shoes that you

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Speaker 1: know can't they can't. I mean, look at this thing.

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Speaker 1: I think it enter a rap battle. It's got a

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Speaker 1: mouth so wide open, you know, go get some sketches

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Speaker 1: or something.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, thank you Hi May if that's your real name.

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Speaker 2: For wearing that merch right there. You look great in it,

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Speaker 2: and for revisiting the scenes of the crime. Look, I

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Speaker 2: did get some feedback here, some honest feedback from people

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Speaker 2: that attended our live show and while they said they

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Speaker 2: had a great time, they ate the cake. They were

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Speaker 2: part of our celebration. They said it was really hard

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Speaker 2: to hear the show while there.

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Speaker 1: We did not die. Fortunately, Yeah, we never broadcasted to

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Speaker 1: the house. We need to make sure that when we

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Speaker 1: do that show again, we we do that.

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Speaker 2: They're requesting that we move it to the back corner

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Speaker 2: or something. You know, we can only do what we do. Look,

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Speaker 2: I'm only the host.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I was surprised they put us where they

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Speaker 1: put us, but it was pretty nice actually that worked

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Speaker 1: out in the end. But they're right, like, if we're

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Speaker 1: gonna do that show, we can't just broadcast to the

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Speaker 1: people on YouTube and have a live show, and with

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Speaker 1: a live audience, you have to be able to broadcast

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Speaker 1: to the live audience. So we'll work on that for

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Speaker 1: next time. We'll work on that for next time.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, we have if we will officially be

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Speaker 2: in Las Vegas for Canelo, we will be shooting a doc.

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Speaker 2: I hope we can do another live show there, Luke,

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Speaker 2: if anyone wants to get their travel plans in order

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Speaker 2: to be there. And also, Luke, we have a resume

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Speaker 2: review cooking. It's cooking right now.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we do, Yes, we do.

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Speaker 2: Put the train, put this ship to the test.

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Speaker 1: Okay, the pain train doesn't stop, BC, it does not wit.

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Speaker 2: O'teel's gonna find out along with us whether you believe

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01:53:36,000 --> 01:53:39,280
Speaker 2: in things that are subjective, Luke or superstitious. Okay, because

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Speaker 2: if the if the person that we're reviewing loses, this

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Speaker 2: curse is is it's alive and well, Luke, Okay.

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Speaker 1: Uh if he obviously surprised if he loses, Yes, I

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Speaker 1: would be very surprised. But the thing I'm worried about

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Speaker 1: for that weekend is most of our audience as MMA fans, Like,

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Speaker 1: if we go to Canelo fight week on the same

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Speaker 1: way time of UFC Fight Week, how many MMA fans

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Speaker 1: do you think would be there in Vegas at that time?

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Speaker 2: It's a fair question. I'd like to see if we

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Speaker 2: have a large amount of Las Vegas based listeners. I'm

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Speaker 2: not really sure, Luke. I know we have a few

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Speaker 2: local local folks stop by, but I don't know. I

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Speaker 2: don't know that no one. The worst thing you could do,

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Speaker 2: Luke is have a live show and have nobody show up.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that'd be bad. That'd be really bad, but

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Speaker 1: we may be staring down the barrel of that gun. BC.

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Speaker 1: That's an unknown future we have to face.

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Speaker 2: Well maybe you know, we don't have to do that.

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Speaker 2: We have a lot of plans for that week, Luke,

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Speaker 2: I mean I want to I want to take pregame

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Speaker 2: preview to the next level in Vegas. You know what

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Speaker 2: I'm saying, Luke, I want to go where no men

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Speaker 2: have gone before.

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Speaker 1: Well, does that mean we have to bang afterwards or something?

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Speaker 1: We got to go further? I mean, what more do

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Speaker 1: you want me to do?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: All right, folks, that's our show for today.

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Speaker 1: Thanks, Okay, I want to thank everyone who watched. By

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Speaker 2: let me, you know, let me.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Luke, it's a little yeah,

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Speaker 1: a little bit of that, a little bit of that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, tell tell them BC sent you all right, Hey,

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Speaker 2: thanks you. Thank you as well, Luke. To our five

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Speaker 2: couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: I like those. I like those. Yeah, those are nice,

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Speaker 1: those are good ones. They did a good job with that. PC.

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Speaker 1: I commend you for it. Good job. Thank you. All right.

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Speaker 1: Like the video. Hit subscribe. We are back on Friday.

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Speaker 1: eleven am in the East. Hit us up. If you

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Speaker 1: so for Malka Showtime, CBS Sports, the King of Connecticut himself,

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Speaker 1: Brian Campbell, I'm Luke Thomas. Until next time, May all

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Speaker 1: of your gains be loyal,