WEBVTT - How the Moonwalk Works 0:00:01.040 --> 0:00:04.200 Welcome to you stuff you should know from House Stuff 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:12.559 Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:16.079 Josh Clark. There's Charles W Chuck Bryant, and Jerry. So 0:00:16.239 --> 0:00:22.360 it's just moon walks right in this joint. Can you moonwalk? Now? 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:26.520 I think everybody at the Bellhouse on Junet knows I 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:31.319 can moonwalk. Okay, I didn't moonwalk, but I think you 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:34.320 could just based based on my moves, you could. You 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:37.040 could make the assumption that I'm an awesome moonwalker. I've 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:43.120 seen your moonwalk. It's you know, herky jerky. You know, 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:45.600 it's that kind of moonwalk that guys like us do. 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:48.400 I don't understand, you know you kind of it kind 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:51.040 of simulates the moonwalk. I see, you know what I mean. 0:00:51.360 --> 0:00:54.040 It's a it's an echo of a moonwalk. I wouldn't 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:58.640 call it smooth and floaty, oh I would. Yeah, Now, 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:01.840 I know it's not a great moonwalks, right. I never 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:05.679 learned the moonwalk because I didn't try to practice the 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:09.880 moonwalk more than like once, and I was like, I 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:13.319 can't do that. Oh yeah. I just bailed on it 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:16.399 like my brother practiced and got okay at it. I'm 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:19.319 surprised he didn't like teach it as a class for 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:22.520 free to children in need. Now he got uh, he 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:26.000 got okay at it? Um, But I just I don't 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:28.000 know if I I think I bail on things that 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:34.800 aren't easy for me. Well, that's definitely a candidate for that. Um. Yeah, 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:36.600 I think that's a trait I have. I don't like 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:38.800 to spend a lot of time on something that I 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:41.319 don't think i'm good at. I'm not one of those like, no, man, 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:43.560 I'm gonna try the moonwalk until I learn it. I see. 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:45.720 I was like, maybe I just im not a moonwalker, 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:48.280 don't you? Didn't you say you bail on books too 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:50.840 that don't like capture your attention at this point in 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:53.760 your life? Was that you? I don't think I said that, 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:57.280 but I I didn't say that. But I will you 0:01:57.320 --> 0:01:59.720 work your way through a book? Well, I'll give it 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:04.400 a fair shot. It's been a while since I've bailed 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:08.200 on a book, though, because I usually just pick good 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:12.160 books like that. I know we're really good. Uh. I 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:13.760 don't know how long I give a book. How long 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:17.760 do you give a book? I will give a book 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:24.680 two pages, yeah, but like three or four times? Right? Like, 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:27.160 what am I missing? Let me try that again. Yeah, yeah, 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:29.520 that's fair. I just write a book called Head Full 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:34.040 of Ghosts, which is pretty neat. It's like a psychological thriller. Huh. 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:38.080 I haven't read a fiction booking forever, and then right 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:43.080 now either I'm reading the right stuff, Wolf Classic, and 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:46.040 it's that. I think Tom Wolf might be the greatest 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:51.639 reporter of all time. Oh yeah, oh yeah, I don't 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:56.840 think there's anybody better. Our buddy Joe Randazzoh oh yeah. 0:02:57.480 --> 0:03:00.760 At midnight fame people are quaite. A minute, I thought 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:03.280 he was at the Onion. Now he said at midnight. 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:06.600 He used to work at the Onion. Uh. He just 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:08.840 recommended a book which I'm really interested in that I 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:11.880 wanted to tell you about because it sounds like it's 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:18.079 right up your one alley called Sapiens A Brief History 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:26.160 of Humankind by You've All Noah Harari and the It 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:32.520 had has a pretty remarkable thesis, which is that humans 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:36.960 can Humans didn't kill each other off because they can 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:41.640 cooperate in large numbers, because we have an ability, a 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:47.880 unique ability. Animals don't have two believe in things that 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:53.240 exist only in our imagination. Huh, Like government and money 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:56.360 and God. And he said, all of these things allow 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:59.240 us to cooperate. Like we talked about in our money episode. 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:01.520 It's like money has that paper has no value. We 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:05.320 just all agreed. So it's essentially fiction, the cool concept 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:08.240 of money. It's just something we've all agreed on. And 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:11.040 he said, is it's this cooperation by believing in these 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:15.840 fictional things that is the only reason that humans didn't 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:19.640 kill each other off, like you know, any other weird species. Yeah, 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:22.080 I've got to check that out. Said it sounds super interesting. 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:25.560 He said it was amazing, so and thank you for 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:28.000 relating that. Yeah, I want to Maybe you should read 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:30.159 it and just tell me about it, because I'm still 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:32.960 have never read four Man. I'm a fiction reader. I 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:35.640 try to I try to read nonfiction, and this I 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:37.960 don't know. I just like a good fictional yarn more. 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:41.760 I'm I'm quite the opposite. Like I told you, I 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:43.840 wanted to be a Civil War buff. I got one 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:46.880 of those huge books that's supposed to be great, and 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:51.640 I just can't do it. Like The Moonwalk, you don't 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:55.719 like fiction, I do like it, it's just for the 0:04:56.600 --> 0:05:00.640 so much of the time I'm reading for work that 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:03.360 see I think he would enjoy fiction as a break. Well, 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:06.599 that's why I read head Fellow Ghosts. I was like, 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:08.960 I'm reading a fiction book. I need to just like 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:12.520 read something different and use my imagination again. And um 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:15.960 it worked. It was like it had an effect on 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:19.359 me that what was it? Yeah? What was it about? 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:22.400 It was about a girl who may or may not 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:26.360 be possessed and like how her family unravels around her. 0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:29.479 Is it like poplit? I don't know that. It's you know, 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:33.120 like easy to read. Dean Coontzon, Oh no, no, it was. 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:35.680 It was a little more literary than that, and I 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:40.080 wish I'm sorry to the author who who wrote the book. 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:42.400 I don't remember the dude's name, but he does a 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:45.040 good job. I'm sorry to Dean Counts and John Grisham 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:48.200 all of a sudden, Uh, they know, they know what 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:50.840 they are. Let guys know what they are. Although Dean 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:54.600 Coutz man, that guy's imagination is fantastic. Man, I always 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:58.280 assumed that he was better than Stephen King because he 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:04.920 could finish the story. I've never read a Stephen King book. What, 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:08.719 I don't read a lot of that stuff. Okay, I 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:11.479 read one Dean Kuntz Book in my early twenties and 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:14.760 one night. That's the only time I've ever done that. Well, yeah, 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:16.520 that was a good thing about it Kuntz Book because 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:18.919 you can go through it like crazy. Started reading it 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:21.000 like eight or nine and I stopped at like five 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:23.920 in the morning. But each one is way different than 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:26.840 the others, I mean really differently. The guy's got a 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:30.400 great imagination. You should read some of Stephen King's work 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:34.760 like he is. He's he's so unfairly I was actually 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:37.039 talking to Hodgman about this the other day. He's like, 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:42.000 very unfairly criticized as a hack, but he's actually, oh yeah, 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:45.120 a lot of people are doing couldn't sucks. But if 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:48.400 you just because he's so prolific and because he very 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:54.320 famously has trouble finishing a story, Yeah, but he's like 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:57.400 nobody can get inside the mind, like the dark side 0:06:57.440 --> 0:07:00.840 of a person's the average person's mind better than Stephen King. 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:04.560 He's just a he's a great storyteller. Aside from the 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:06.920 ending part. So what's the Shining? It is probably the 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:11.320 one I should read, Probably not because you're so used 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:15.560 to Kubrick's Shining and it's just so radically. That's the one. Right, 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:17.640 that's a big one. I've never read the stand I 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:21.200 would start with the short stories. They're fantastic, right, those 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:23.920 he can finish. It's the largest What do you mean 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:28.440 not finish like this amazing build up and then the resolutions, like, 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:31.360 so he finishes you just mean it's okay, right, it's 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:34.880 it's not left unfinished. It's the resolution is um The 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:38.960 payoff is not so great. Yeah, interesting, and it's still fine, 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:42.120 but it's he's so good at building things up that 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:44.800 it's almost it would be almost impossible to finish it. 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:49.120 I don't know if we should call this beginning book 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:54.080 talk with Josh and Chuck or patting the episode. You 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:56.880 want to talk moon walk? Yeah, we needed a little something. 0:07:56.880 --> 0:07:59.680 This is a short one. Well, you were saying that, 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:03.120 you're like you just couldn't do it. This is Let me. 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:07.360 Let me tell you how I approached the moonwalk. All right. 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:11.200 My left hand was covered in a white glove with 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:13.840 sequence sewn on that my mom made for me. Did 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:18.640 you really wearing the thriller jacket a little black pants? Yeah, 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:21.960 that's how my moon walked. I was still not that 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:24.360 great at it. You were, you were in man, this 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:28.240 is so in my wheelhouse. Yeah, yeah, I wasn't. I 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:31.000 mean I listened to pop music. But I was also 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:35.160 the influenced by my well he's now my brother in law, 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:38.160 but the General. The General started dating my sister when 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:40.960 I was twelve, Okay, so like he was always around 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:43.360 and he was like, you're twelve years old. You need 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:46.320 to listen to the Almond Brothers and Leonard Skinnered and 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:49.640 Molly Hatchett and Blackfoot in the Atlanta Rhythm section, the 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:53.800 Doobie Brothers, like heck yeah. But I also listened to 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:56.200 the American Top forty every week. So, I mean I 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:59.720 was an MTV. I was glued to so you can't 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:03.240 be glued to MTV and not like digest ing some 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:06.240 of that stuff. But I was never never owned parachute 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:11.760 pants or but so that was the only sequence thing 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:14.240 I eve w owed. But that's very sweet that your 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:16.360 mom did that. I think so too, and it was 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:19.480 a very sweet gesture. Um. But I think one of 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:21.920 the other reasons the Moonwalk spoke to me and I 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:27.920 didn't realize it until researching this article, Chuck that I 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:30.960 was also super into break dancing at the time, and 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:34.560 the moonwalk is actually not a breaking move. It's a 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:40.679 popping move. But for all but actual breaking and popping dancers, 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:43.400 it was the same thing. Yeah, I don't I don't 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:45.120 see how it's a popping move. I saw that in 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:47.720 the article and I couldn't put it together because thing 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:50.480 is so herky jerky, and a good moonwalk is so 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:56.640 smooth and buttery. Well, so lockin is herky jerky, right, Well, 0:09:56.679 --> 0:10:00.320 no popping is too popping? Is that? Like? Yeah, but 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:04.080 it's also I wish this is really not good for audio, 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:06.080 but it's also so you know, the one where you 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:08.640 hold out one hand and make a wave, the wave 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:11.040 goes through your body to the other hand, the classic 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:14.040 popping is it? Yeah? And I was like, okay, I'll 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:17.400 bet the worms popping wrong. The worms are breaking move. 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:21.240 I clearly don't know, but the average person who's who's 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:26.079 doing these dances is probably popping, locking and breaking it 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:29.440 at the same time. Yeah. And and I know we 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:33.000 covered breakdancing some in the hip hop episode, but we 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:37.960 should do it total breakdance, like give it its full do, Okay, 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:41.880 and we're gonna call it the total breakdance episode. But 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:43.800 we I mean, we've got to cover some of it here, 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:46.360 because there's there's there's such a basis of it in 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:50.360 the moonwalk. The moonwalk castletch a basis in it. But 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:55.680 the moonwalk goes even further back than popping and lock in, 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:58.079 which we'll talk about in a minute. It goes all 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:00.839 the way back to the thirties. Should we take a break? 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:20.400 Oh man, yes, stop, all right. Josh just taught me 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:22.280 how a moon walking. Now I'm great at it. And 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:26.840 this I can't remember what that's called. The wave the 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:29.280 waves where you stand up at a baseball game. So 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:32.520 what is this? I don't know. I mean, people that 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:35.480 don't know what Josh is doing right now are probably frustrated. 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:38.160 But it's that you know that move you do where 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:40.520 you wave the one arm and it goes to your 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:42.960 body and the other arm waves and then you pass 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:47.400 it to your friend. Yes, that's a popping move, is it? Yeah? 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:51.040 Body popping clearly doesn't. I don't know what popping means. 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:55.079 I think the name is a bit of a misnomer. Yeah, 0:11:55.559 --> 0:12:00.880 probably all right. And by the way, people, you might 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:02.839 as well get to this. I'm not gonna be able 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:07.160 to gush much about Michael Jackson because I'm one of 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:10.560 the people who thinks he did bad things in his 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:13.680 private life. So if you don't hear me talking about 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:16.360 how awesome he is, that's why I have a hard 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:18.839 time separating the art from the artist. Well you want 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:20.800 to throw it out there, man, if you believe that, 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:25.400 how could you? Yeah, I'm unconvinced at this point, all right, 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:30.120 But I mean seeing my own a. Yeah, that's a 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:33.920 good one, good one. A bunch of people are like, 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:37.640 that's what c o amy covering my own a. Speaking 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:40.000 for myself anyway, if you hear a little bit of 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:44.960 like callousness in my voice, that's that's why. So, uh, 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:49.480 going back in time, Uh, it was not invented by 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:52.080 that man. It was like you said, it goes back 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:54.960 to the nineties. If you look on the YouTube's they're 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:59.760 like history of the Moonwalk, you will see a nice video. 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:04.240 It shows the evolution of this dance, starting with Cab 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:08.040 Callaway in the nineteen thirties doing something called the Buzz. 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:11.720 The Great band Leader Jazz big band leader. He remains 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:16.400 unaccused of anything. He was also awesome in the Blues Brothers. 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:19.520 Oh yeah, wow, he was still around for that. That's right. 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:22.839 I forgot about that about fifty years on. Yeah. Uh 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:24.680 so in the nineteen thirties he did something called the 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:27.480 Buzz and it was a little more herky jerky and 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:30.920 not as smooth. Then there was something that this article 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:34.040 mentions called the camel Walk, which I looked into, or 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:37.880 the collegiate walk that like Sammy Davis Jr. Did in 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:40.360 this video. I don't think it looks anything like the moonwalk, 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:44.680 not really. I think they're going forward first of all, right, 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:46.680 which is a big one, and it's cool. It's a 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:50.320 cool move. Sure, James Brown dares Sammy to do it. 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:55.320 Sammy's like, all right, I'll do it. So, boy, could 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:58.640 you imagine being in that audience, Man, Sammy Davis Junior 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:00.440 and James Brown on the same stage. Who do we 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:07.840 have now? Bieber and whoever else? I don't even know him, 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:15.280 Bieber and Bieber. It's a nightmare group. Yeah. So uh sorry, man, 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:18.599 it's not old. You're not old because you're trash and 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:23.520 justin Bieber you're just saying it's a jerk. You know. 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:25.360 He really has done a lot of stuff to say 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:27.680 to earn that. Yeah, it's not like he's some like 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:30.800 super nice guy. People are just unfair to like look 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:33.480 at some of the videos and like pan in a 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:36.160 bucket in a restaurant. Did you ever see that one? No? 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:40.320 I heard about that one, though. Well, I think he's 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:43.880 just too much wealth and not enough guidance and probably 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:46.200 too much booze and stuff. I think maybe he might 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:49.520 be somewhat reformed now, but really I think he's grown 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:51.840 up a little bit, but I don't follow it that closely. 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:55.560 Just the p in the bucket thing, Yeah, I mean 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:59.200 that was enough to turn me off forever. Win him back, 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:04.000 justin win back, good luck. So we were talking about 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:07.840 the walk or the camel walk, right, so, um, you 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:09.840 were saying it doesn't look like a moonwalk. In fact, 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:12.160 it looks kind of like a reverse moonwalk sort of. 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:17.240 But the point is it was it's somebody Sammy Davis Jr. 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:20.640 Floating Their feet are floating a little bit. They appear 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:24.200 to be floating while they move, al Right, So it's 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:27.000 related to the moonwalk, right, I'll give you that. The 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:30.040 one that's like dead on though is Bill Bailey in 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:33.880 nineteen fifty five full on moonwalks off the stage. Yeah, 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:37.000 in nineteen at the Apollo. Yeah, and there's a great 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:39.920 video and it's at the very end of the video, 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:42.640 but I urge you to not just skip to the end, 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:47.320 because you've got two or three minutes of some sweet, 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:50.600 sweet tap dancing. Yeah, which I didn't realize how much 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:53.680 I loved until I saw this guy and he was 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:57.600 supposedly trained by Mr bo Jangles himself. Really Ye, that 0:15:57.680 --> 0:15:59.600 was a real person. Yeah, I don't remember his name, 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:02.920 but Bojangles. Yeah. I love tap dancing. I didn't know 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:04.840 it and I watched this sound was like, man, that's amazing. 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:08.240 You should go see Gregory Hines. Is he still doing it? 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:12.560 Probably there's no way he's just like I'm done tapping. 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:16.200 Yeah it tap was life for that guy. Yeah, I 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:18.400 mean that stuff is amazing. And what's the guy's name? 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:25.040 I can't remember, Well, I did see that movie. Um 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:29.680 there was a guy, uh savyon Glover. Oh I know 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:32.160 who you're talking about, like much more recent Yeah, like 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:35.920 mean mean tap dancer, Like he just shouting insults while 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:44.240 he was you. He looks stupid, but watch me dance. 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:48.960 So Bill Bailey in nineteen fifty five, like legit moonwalked 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:52.800 and um, it's hard to say, like he's the guy 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:55.920 that invented it, because dance, like any art form, is 0:16:56.000 --> 0:17:00.680 just borrowed and changed and morphs along the years to 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:03.440 where I don't know that anyone can specifically say, like 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:06.199 Bill Bailey might have seen it from someone else and 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:09.080 then like that's a hot move. Yeah, he seems like 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:13.240 the type of um talent that he could have come 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:16.320 up with it himself. Yeah. But what's weird, Chuck, is 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:22.120 that that's apparently where it went and died, Like he 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:27.040 created the moonwalk and it's stopped with him for a while. No, 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:29.359 if you go back in the history of it, the 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:32.680 people who popularized the moonwalk didn't know that he had 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:34.600 done that. Oh yeah, yeah, I see what you means. 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:39.040 So simultaneously, there's also some movement that's similar called the 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:43.560 air walk, but it's mine. Yea like Marcel Marcel's walking 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:47.640 against the wind, very famous routine where his feet are floating. 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:50.960 It's called air walking and it's strictly mine, right. Yeah. 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:53.120 The difference between that and the moonwalk is that they're 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:58.040 stationary and acting like they're walking forward and the wind 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:00.600 is blowing them, but they're not going backwards. It's but 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:04.320 it's also not part of a dance either. Correct, some 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:07.679 this is but this is a weird little thing that 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:12.680 I didn't realize. There was apparently a mime. There's a 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:16.639 period of the seventies where mimes were cool. Did you 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:19.280 know that? Yeah? I mean that was I remember watching 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:21.840 Shields and Yarnell as a kid on television on major 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:24.520 network TV. I was all brainstem at the time because 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:27.359 I was totally unaware of that. Yeah, miming was a 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:30.760 big deal and that like I would practice that, Okay, 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:34.320 okay a little bit, not for years, but yeah, I 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:38.280 practice miming. What a bizarre period of American pop culture. 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:42.840 Shields and Yarnell. This mime couple had a were they 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:47.360 two dudes or a man and a woman? You were married? Okay? Um? 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:51.040 That they They had their own TV show, Shields and 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:53.960 Yarnell was watched apparently by a lot of people, including you. 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:59.120 It was also watched by a dude named Jeffrey Daniel. Yeah. Man, 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:05.160 Frey Daniel was a great dancer, probably still is he is? Uh. 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:08.480 Not only was he on Solid Gold, he was in 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:13.280 the band Shalomar with Jody Whatley. Yeah, Jody Whatley and um. 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:16.560 Shalimar was created by the great Don Cornelius of soul 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:19.480 train R I P I believe did he die a 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:23.440 few years ago? And uh, Gary Mumford was the original singer. 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:25.520 And then on album number two, Gerald Brown took over, 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:31.320 like you said, with Jody Whatley of Shallomar Fame, I 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:34.000 guess and then later on her own fame. Yeah she 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:37.040 was she had her own solo career, right and uh 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:40.760 and this guy Jeffrey Daniel, Right, So Jeffrey Daniel was 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:44.080 dancing in the sheets. Remember that hit. Yes, it's great 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:48.840 Footloose soundtrack song Dancing and the Sheets, dude, dude, and 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:51.399 that that was the eighties. The eighties stuff they you know, 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:53.439 came around in the seventies with more disco. It was 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:57.960 super disco. We to start with. Um. But this dude, 0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:00.439 Jeffrey Daniels who was in Shalimar, who's also a solid 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:04.879 gold dancer. He had a pretty awesome move called the backslide. 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:09.040 And when you watch him backslide, uh, he's he's moonwalking, 0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:13.080 total total moonwalk. It totally is and um. Later on 0:20:13.520 --> 0:20:15.520 he was interviewed like where did you get this? Where 0:20:15.600 --> 0:20:18.600 you know where? Where you know? Where did you come 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:20.520 up with the idea? He was like, I was super 0:20:20.560 --> 0:20:24.960 into Shields and Yarnelle at the time. So miming influenced 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:27.520 the backslide, which, as we'll find out in a second, 0:20:27.960 --> 0:20:30.520 directly led to the moonwalk. And we'll get to that 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:50.399 finally after this. You alright, Chuck, we're back. Yes, Jeffrey Daniel. 0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:53.040 I watched that interview that's on the YouTube. It was 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:56.640 on a British talk show called soccer a m of 0:20:56.680 --> 0:21:00.600 the two thousand seven things. They had him on Soccer Am. 0:21:00.640 --> 0:21:03.080 Apparently it's not just about sports, but they have like 0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:08.600 comedy bits and pop culture stuff. Uh So he was 0:21:08.640 --> 0:21:12.320 surprised on that show. They showed the clip of of 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:15.880 Bailey in the in the fifties and he was like, 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:19.760 what's that. He's like, I've never even seen that. He 0:21:19.880 --> 0:21:23.159 was surprised to see that someone was legit moonwalking, you 0:21:23.200 --> 0:21:27.840 know whatever, fifties something years earlier, the same move. It's 0:21:27.880 --> 0:21:30.199 not like, oh, that's kind of close, like maybe the 0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:33.520 camel walk or um the buzz like Cab calloway. It 0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:35.719 was a moonwalk. It was the moonwalk. But that's what 0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:38.800 I'm saying, that's what's so bizarre is that this guy 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:42.160 invented the moonwalk in ve and it began and ended 0:21:42.160 --> 0:21:47.080 with him, and it took mimes getting a TV show 0:21:47.200 --> 0:21:52.480 to create the moonwalk as we understand it today. Talk 0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:55.439 about chaos theory, you know what I'm saying, though, like 0:21:55.520 --> 0:21:58.400 other people could have influenced the mimes that knew about 0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:01.440 Bill Bailey, like it could guess, guess, that's entirely possible. 0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:04.320 But Marcel Marceau was doing the air walk as far 0:22:04.359 --> 0:22:08.840 back as the thirties before Bill Bailey. Was he around 0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:11.919 in the thirties from what I understand, Okay, which is 0:22:11.960 --> 0:22:13.960 weird because well he was pretty old when in the 0:22:14.000 --> 0:22:16.480 seventies when he hit it big. So yeah, I think 0:22:16.520 --> 0:22:18.360 then he was doing it in the thirties, because that's 0:22:18.359 --> 0:22:22.000 what this article says in it. I didn't find anything. 0:22:23.200 --> 0:22:26.080 I didn't find any footage of him from the thirties, 0:22:26.119 --> 0:22:27.800 like all of it seemed to be from the seventies 0:22:27.840 --> 0:22:31.080 or early eighties. Well, the heyday of mimes also looked. 0:22:31.320 --> 0:22:34.679 I was curious why people hate mimes and did little research, 0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:37.560 and of course there's no no like definitive thing. It's 0:22:37.560 --> 0:22:40.879 not like a phobia, no. But everything I saw I 0:22:40.880 --> 0:22:43.120 came down to a few things. They look like clowns 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:47.400 in clowns. We did a whole episode on that, and uh, 0:22:47.520 --> 0:22:51.520 the silent thing seems to bug people. And then just 0:22:51.600 --> 0:22:54.960 the notion that there, you know, they'll get up all 0:22:55.000 --> 0:22:57.919 in your face in the part you're out just enjoying 0:22:57.920 --> 0:22:59.760 your day and a mime will come up and be like, 0:23:00.480 --> 0:23:03.719 you know, to start doing their like intruding upon you 0:23:03.760 --> 0:23:05.919 to do their act, which I don't even know is 0:23:06.480 --> 0:23:08.680 I don't even know if that's the case over there. 0:23:09.200 --> 0:23:12.800 Oh it is, believe me, mine very interestive like to 0:23:12.840 --> 0:23:18.639 start static and I finish it. Uh So back to 0:23:18.720 --> 0:23:21.119 Jeffrey Daniel. He's dancing on Soul Train, He's dancing on 0:23:21.160 --> 0:23:24.880 Solid Gold. There's another couple of dancers name Jeron Casper 0:23:24.960 --> 0:23:29.560 candidate great name, and Derek Cooley Jackson j A X 0:23:30.000 --> 0:23:34.560 s O N. Another cool name, and they were moonwalking 0:23:34.600 --> 0:23:38.920 around or backsliding around, and so all these dudes were 0:23:38.960 --> 0:23:43.560 basically kind of laying the foundation for what the moonwalk 0:23:43.600 --> 0:23:45.600 would come to be. It got real, like even if 0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:48.320 you watch Bailey's it's a legit moonwalk, but it's not 0:23:48.400 --> 0:23:53.000 as smooth as Daniel ended up doing it. You know, 0:23:53.640 --> 0:23:56.879 like when you see him on solid Gold, he like 0:23:57.160 --> 0:23:59.560 that's one of the smoother moonwalks you'll ever see, and 0:23:59.640 --> 0:24:03.879 he probably debuted it for the first time in American 0:24:03.960 --> 0:24:09.880