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Speaker 1: Welcome to you stuff you should know from House Stuff

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Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Josh Clark. There's Charles W Chuck Bryant, and Jerry. So

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Speaker 1: it's just moon walks right in this joint. Can you moonwalk? Now?

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Speaker 1: I think everybody at the Bellhouse on Junet knows I

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Speaker 1: can moonwalk. Okay, I didn't moonwalk, but I think you

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Speaker 1: could just based based on my moves, you could. You

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Speaker 1: could make the assumption that I'm an awesome moonwalker. I've

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Speaker 1: seen your moonwalk. It's you know, herky jerky. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's that kind of moonwalk that guys like us do.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand, you know you kind of it kind

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Speaker 1: of simulates the moonwalk. I see, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: It's a it's an echo of a moonwalk. I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: call it smooth and floaty, oh I would. Yeah, Now,

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Speaker 1: I know it's not a great moonwalks, right. I never

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Speaker 1: learned the moonwalk because I didn't try to practice the

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Speaker 1: moonwalk more than like once, and I was like, I

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Speaker 1: can't do that. Oh yeah. I just bailed on it

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Speaker 1: like my brother practiced and got okay at it. I'm

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Speaker 1: surprised he didn't like teach it as a class for

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Speaker 1: free to children in need. Now he got uh, he

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Speaker 1: got okay at it? Um, But I just I don't

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Speaker 1: know if I I think I bail on things that

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Speaker 1: aren't easy for me. Well, that's definitely a candidate for that. Um. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that's a trait I have. I don't like

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Speaker 1: to spend a lot of time on something that I

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Speaker 1: don't think i'm good at. I'm not one of those like, no, man,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna try the moonwalk until I learn it. I see.

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Speaker 1: I was like, maybe I just im not a moonwalker,

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Speaker 1: don't you? Didn't you say you bail on books too

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Speaker 1: that don't like capture your attention at this point in

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Speaker 1: your life? Was that you? I don't think I said that,

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Speaker 1: but I I didn't say that. But I will you

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Speaker 1: work your way through a book? Well, I'll give it

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Speaker 1: a fair shot. It's been a while since I've bailed

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Speaker 1: on a book, though, because I usually just pick good

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Speaker 1: books like that. I know we're really good. Uh. I

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Speaker 1: don't know how long I give a book. How long

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Speaker 1: do you give a book? I will give a book

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Speaker 1: two pages, yeah, but like three or four times? Right? Like,

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Speaker 1: what am I missing? Let me try that again. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's fair. I just write a book called Head Full

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Speaker 1: of Ghosts, which is pretty neat. It's like a psychological thriller. Huh.

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Speaker 1: I haven't read a fiction booking forever, and then right

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Speaker 1: now either I'm reading the right stuff, Wolf Classic, and

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Speaker 1: it's that. I think Tom Wolf might be the greatest

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Speaker 1: reporter of all time. Oh yeah, oh yeah, I don't

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Speaker 1: think there's anybody better. Our buddy Joe Randazzoh oh yeah.

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Speaker 1: At midnight fame people are quaite. A minute, I thought

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Speaker 1: he was at the Onion. Now he said at midnight.

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Speaker 1: He used to work at the Onion. Uh. He just

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Speaker 1: recommended a book which I'm really interested in that I

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Speaker 1: wanted to tell you about because it sounds like it's

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Speaker 1: right up your one alley called Sapiens A Brief History

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Speaker 1: of Humankind by You've All Noah Harari and the It

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Speaker 1: had has a pretty remarkable thesis, which is that humans

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Speaker 1: can Humans didn't kill each other off because they can

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Speaker 1: cooperate in large numbers, because we have an ability, a

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Speaker 1: unique ability. Animals don't have two believe in things that

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Speaker 1: exist only in our imagination. Huh, Like government and money

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Speaker 1: and God. And he said, all of these things allow

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Speaker 1: us to cooperate. Like we talked about in our money episode.

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Speaker 1: It's like money has that paper has no value. We

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Speaker 1: just all agreed. So it's essentially fiction, the cool concept

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Speaker 1: of money. It's just something we've all agreed on. And

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Speaker 1: he said, is it's this cooperation by believing in these

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Speaker 1: fictional things that is the only reason that humans didn't

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Speaker 1: kill each other off, like you know, any other weird species. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I've got to check that out. Said it sounds super interesting.

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Speaker 1: He said it was amazing, so and thank you for

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Speaker 1: relating that. Yeah, I want to Maybe you should read

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Speaker 1: it and just tell me about it, because I'm still

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Speaker 1: have never read four Man. I'm a fiction reader. I

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Speaker 1: try to I try to read nonfiction, and this I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I just like a good fictional yarn more.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm quite the opposite. Like I told you, I

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Speaker 1: wanted to be a Civil War buff. I got one

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Speaker 1: of those huge books that's supposed to be great, and

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Speaker 1: I just can't do it. Like The Moonwalk, you don't

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Speaker 1: so much of the time I'm reading for work that

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Speaker 1: see I think he would enjoy fiction as a break. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's why I read head Fellow Ghosts. I was like,

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Speaker 1: I'm reading a fiction book. I need to just like

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Speaker 1: read something different and use my imagination again. And um

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Speaker 1: it worked. It was like it had an effect on

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Speaker 1: me that what was it? Yeah? What was it about?

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Speaker 1: It was about a girl who may or may not

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Speaker 1: be possessed and like how her family unravels around her.

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Speaker 1: Is it like poplit? I don't know that. It's you know,

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Speaker 1: like easy to read. Dean Coontzon, Oh no, no, it was.

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Speaker 1: It was a little more literary than that, and I

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Speaker 1: wish I'm sorry to the author who who wrote the book.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember the dude's name, but he does a

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Speaker 1: good job. I'm sorry to Dean Counts and John Grisham

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Uh, they know, they know what

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Speaker 1: they are. Let guys know what they are. Although Dean

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Speaker 1: Coutz man, that guy's imagination is fantastic. Man, I always

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Speaker 1: assumed that he was better than Stephen King because he

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Speaker 1: could finish the story. I've never read a Stephen King book. What,

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Speaker 1: I don't read a lot of that stuff. Okay, I

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Speaker 1: read one Dean Kuntz Book in my early twenties and

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Speaker 1: one night. That's the only time I've ever done that. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was a good thing about it Kuntz Book because

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Speaker 1: like eight or nine and I stopped at like five

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Speaker 1: in the morning. But each one is way different than

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Speaker 1: the others, I mean really differently. The guy's got a

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Speaker 1: great imagination. You should read some of Stephen King's work

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Speaker 1: like he is. He's he's so unfairly I was actually

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Speaker 1: talking to Hodgman about this the other day. He's like,

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Speaker 1: very unfairly criticized as a hack, but he's actually, oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people are doing couldn't sucks. But if

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Speaker 1: you just because he's so prolific and because he very

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Speaker 1: famously has trouble finishing a story, Yeah, but he's like

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Speaker 1: nobody can get inside the mind, like the dark side

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Speaker 1: of a person's the average person's mind better than Stephen King.

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Speaker 1: He's just a he's a great storyteller. Aside from the

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Speaker 1: ending part. So what's the Shining? It is probably the

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Speaker 1: one I should read, Probably not because you're so used

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Speaker 1: to Kubrick's Shining and it's just so radically. That's the one. Right,

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Speaker 1: that's a big one. I've never read the stand I

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Speaker 1: would start with the short stories. They're fantastic, right, those

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Speaker 1: he can finish. It's the largest What do you mean

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Speaker 1: not finish like this amazing build up and then the resolutions, like,

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Speaker 1: so he finishes you just mean it's okay, right, it's

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Speaker 1: it's not left unfinished. It's the resolution is um The

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Speaker 1: payoff is not so great. Yeah, interesting, and it's still fine,

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Speaker 1: but it's he's so good at building things up that

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Speaker 1: it's almost it would be almost impossible to finish it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if we should call this beginning book

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Speaker 1: talk with Josh and Chuck or patting the episode. You

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Speaker 1: want to talk moon walk? Yeah, we needed a little something.

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Speaker 1: This is a short one. Well, you were saying that,

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Speaker 1: you're like you just couldn't do it. This is Let me.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you how I approached the moonwalk. All right.

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Speaker 1: My left hand was covered in a white glove with

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Speaker 1: sequence sewn on that my mom made for me. Did

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Speaker 1: you really wearing the thriller jacket a little black pants? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's how my moon walked. I was still not that

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Speaker 1: great at it. You were, you were in man, this

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Speaker 1: is so in my wheelhouse. Yeah, yeah, I wasn't. I

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Speaker 1: mean I listened to pop music. But I was also

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Speaker 1: the influenced by my well he's now my brother in law,

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Speaker 1: but the General. The General started dating my sister when

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Speaker 1: I was twelve, Okay, so like he was always around

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Speaker 1: and he was like, you're twelve years old. You need

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Speaker 1: to listen to the Almond Brothers and Leonard Skinnered and

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Speaker 1: Molly Hatchett and Blackfoot in the Atlanta Rhythm section, the

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Speaker 1: Doobie Brothers, like heck yeah. But I also listened to

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Speaker 1: the American Top forty every week. So, I mean I

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Speaker 1: of that stuff. But I was never never owned parachute

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Speaker 1: pants or but so that was the only sequence thing

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Speaker 1: I eve w owed. But that's very sweet that your

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Speaker 1: mom did that. I think so too, and it was

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Speaker 1: a very sweet gesture. Um. But I think one of

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Speaker 1: the other reasons the Moonwalk spoke to me and I

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Speaker 1: didn't realize it until researching this article, Chuck that I

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Speaker 1: was also super into break dancing at the time, and

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Speaker 1: the moonwalk is actually not a breaking move. It's a

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Speaker 1: popping move. But for all but actual breaking and popping dancers,

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Speaker 1: it was the same thing. Yeah, I don't I don't

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Speaker 1: the article and I couldn't put it together because thing

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Speaker 1: smooth and buttery. Well, so lockin is herky jerky, right, Well,

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Speaker 1: no popping is too popping? Is that? Like? Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: popping is it? Yeah? And I was like, okay, I'll

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Speaker 1: bet the worms popping wrong. The worms are breaking move.

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Speaker 1: because there's there's there's such a basis of it in

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Speaker 1: the moonwalk. The moonwalk castletch a basis in it. But

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Speaker 1: the moonwalk goes even further back than popping and lock in,

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Speaker 1: which we'll talk about in a minute. It goes all

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Speaker 1: the way back to the thirties. Should we take a break?

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Speaker 1: Oh man, yes, stop, all right. Josh just taught me

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Speaker 1: how a moon walking. Now I'm great at it. And

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Speaker 1: this I can't remember what that's called. The wave the

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Speaker 1: waves where you stand up at a baseball game. So

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Speaker 1: what is this? I don't know. I mean, people that

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Speaker 1: don't know what Josh is doing right now are probably frustrated.

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Speaker 1: But it's that you know that move you do where

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Speaker 1: you wave the one arm and it goes to your

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Speaker 1: body and the other arm waves and then you pass

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Speaker 1: it to your friend. Yes, that's a popping move, is it? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Body popping clearly doesn't. I don't know what popping means.

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Speaker 1: I think the name is a bit of a misnomer. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: probably all right. And by the way, people, you might

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Speaker 1: as well get to this. I'm not gonna be able

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Speaker 1: to gush much about Michael Jackson because I'm one of

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Speaker 1: the people who thinks he did bad things in his

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Speaker 1: how awesome he is, that's why I have a hard

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Speaker 1: time separating the art from the artist. Well you want

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Speaker 1: to throw it out there, man, if you believe that,

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Speaker 1: how could you? Yeah, I'm unconvinced at this point, all right,

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Speaker 1: was huge, but so was Marvin Gaye in the Four

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Speaker 1: Tops and Stevie Wonder, Right, Michael Jackson comes out and

419
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 1: brings the house down. And one of the reasons he

420
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: brought the house sound was because he's doing Billy Jean,

421
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: which when the thing came out was the number one

422
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 1: song in America. But during the dance he did the moonwalk,

423
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,679
Speaker 1: and it was the first time basically anybody who had

424
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: seen uh had ever seen the moonwalk. Yeah, like, like

425
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: no one in America watching this NBC special had been

426
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 1: watching Top of the Pops stuff on solid gold here

427
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 1: and there. But it was definitely like a mind blower

428
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: for because it was such a widely watched special for sure. Um, well,

429
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: here's the deal. He was taught the moonwalk depends on

430
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: who right. Some people say he sought out Daniel said,

431
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: you teach me. Other people say no, it was Casper

432
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: Candidate or Coolie Jackson. But from what I gather it,

433
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 1: it sounds like all those guys eventually worked with him

434
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: over the years. Is like either choreographers or choreographers slash

435
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: backup dancers. So he he learned it from some or

436
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 1: all of those people. Yeah, Like, um, Daniel choreographed like

437
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: his smooth Criminal video, and Coolie and Casper are the

438
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: dudes who like lean with him on other that very famous,

439
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: like crazy side lane that he did in the video.

440
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: Does he do one of those de lean move? The

441
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,360
Speaker 1: crazy side lean, I think is what it's called. Can

442
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: I say what happened to me yesterday? What did you

443
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: do a lean? Well? I was looking at videos on

444
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: how to moonwalk tutorials okay, uh, to see if I

445
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: could get it. And when you watch it slowed down

446
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: and broken down, it's like, oh, well, I get it.

447
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: It's not that complex, but it's hard to master. And

448
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: we'll get to all that coming up, Like I'm sure

449
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna bumble our way through a description about the moonwalk,

450
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: but we're gonna try. But then I started following into

451
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: that little YouTube vortex of videos and I saw this

452
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: guy saying, here's how you do the lean, and I

453
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: was like, I want to know how to do that

454
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: because it's cool. It is it's like an illusion. It

455
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: is well, it's not, it's real. And there's a guy, well,

456
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 1: I don't and there's a guy named Robert Hoffman who

457
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: It turns out this guy is great. He does he's

458
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 1: dance tutorials and he's kind of funny and and does

459
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: it in such a way that it's interesting to watch,

460
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 1: and so I encourage everyone to go watch Robert Hoffman's

461
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 1: tutori on how to do the lean, and he kind

462
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: of explains, He fully explains the illusion and how to

463
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 1: how to do it well. And I look at it

464
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,479
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh man, you're about to follow over right,

465
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 1: And then he pulls it back, and I thought, I'm

466
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: gonna practice the lean because that will be like I've

467
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 1: always wanted to know how to dance, but I'm just

468
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: not good at it. But I want to get like

469
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,360
Speaker 1: the lean down at least so I can bust that out.

470
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 1: It's just like standing in place, Yeah, but you know

471
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: you shouldn't even do it on a dance floors while

472
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 1: you're having a conversation with somebody, like slowly, slowly, just

473
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 1: start to leave, so they're about to go over, snap

474
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: back into place and be like, what if You're totally right?

475
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: Because I don't go to dance parties anymore anyway, What

476
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 1: am I talking about? Regular parties? Yeah? I would just

477
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: be in the office one day in the kitchen and

478
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: I'll he's gonna go, oh my god, I didn't go

479
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: over Oh man, um, all right, so where are we?

480
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: So we're talking about how there's a there's a discrepancy

481
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: over who taught Michael Jackson the moonwalk. Correct. The thing

482
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: is is, Michael Jackson never claimed to have invented the moonwalk.

483
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: People just assumed he had because he was huge at

484
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: the time. And he also later said that he didn't

485
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: know what he what his dance routine was gonna be

486
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: for Billy Jean for this motown special. So a lot

487
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: of people say, well, obviously he just did the spur

488
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: of the moment or whatever. No, totally untrue. He employed

489
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: choreographers and including those three guys like you said, all

490
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: three of them worked with him as choreographers. And he also,

491
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: as far as his sister Janet I think, says, they

492
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: went to see Shalamar at Disneyland before this and saw

493
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: um Jeffrey Daniel doing the backslide and said, dude, you

494
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: gotta teach me that. Here's some money, teach me the moonwalk.

495
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: Oh wait, it's not called the moonwalk yet. And he

496
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: also said that he never called it the moonwalk, that

497
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: it was actually the media that came up with that,

498
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: but he adopted it for surely some I mean obviously

499
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: someone named it some Yeah, some ap reporters like named

500
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: there's me. Uh for what it's worth, Daniel said, besides,

501
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: she shields and Yard now that the the Electric boogaloosy

502
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: is who inspired him as well. And I looked up

503
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: those guys. They're the ones who originated body popping. Yeah,

504
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: and they were a dance group and I was looking

505
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: at one of them and I was like, let's rerun. Okay,

506
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: you're talking about locking. Yes, it is Rerun. Yes, he

507
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: was huge, and he was a member of the Lockers,

508
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: which was at one point the Electric Boogaloos. You know

509
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: those are two different Well, no, at one point they were.

510
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: They were merged, okay, and then then that's where popping

511
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: and locking came from, because popping and lock and are

512
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: two different types of day. Originally they were the Electric

513
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: Boogaloo Lockers, and then I guess they diverged at one point. Okay,

514
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: maybe they were like I want to lock, I want

515
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: to pop. Well, the dude who invented locking, it was

516
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: good friends with Rerun and like, if you think of

517
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: Rerun dancing, like those wrist twists and the jumps and

518
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: the suspender stuff, that's lock and totally. And they were

519
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: on that dance squad the Lockers. It was Don Campbell

520
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: who invented locking. Rerun and then Tony Basil, the girl

521
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: who sang mickey. Yeah. So if you don't know who reruns,

522
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: you're like, what in the world are you guys talking about?

523
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: What you oldsters? Um? Oh yeah, it's a It was

524
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: a TV show called What's Happening about these three friends

525
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:22,959
Speaker 1: in South central l A in the seventies. Very funny. Uh,

526
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: and Rerun was one of the characters played by the

527
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: great Fred Barry who was in the Lockers in the

528
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: electric Googlue Lockers and just go watch go type rerun

529
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: dancing What's happening and uh, what you're watching is pure locking.

530
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: One of the great TV theme songs of all time too. Now,

531
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: if you throw what he's it really is. What instrument

532
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: was that like a klezmer or something. I have no idea.

533
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: It's weird, but it's a great one. Um. The if

534
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:57,479
Speaker 1: you throw in that, that our movement, that wave and

535
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: the worm, you've got Papa and walking and breaking. Yeah,

536
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: what people think of as breakdancing. That's pretty amazing. Like

537
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: we've I was thinking the other day about how in

538
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: our lifetime is people our age and there's a range.

539
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: But we've seen like a complete, like two complete at

540
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: least two new complete art forms created in hip hop

541
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: music and that and breakdancing created out of whole cloth.

542
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: It's amazing. And the new sports like what like you know,

543
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: X games and snowboarding and skateboarding, like we've like seen

544
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: these new things created. And you always think that, well,

545
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,959
Speaker 1: music is, what else can you do? I guess chechnow

546
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: and all that stuff that was created as well, Um, jazz,

547
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: well that was before us a little, but no, it's true.

548
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: I just think it's pretty neat to look you know,

549
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: I know what you're talking about. Two you you're like, well,

550
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: there's grunge. Well grunge is an offshoot of like rock

551
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: and roll or whatever. But yeah, no, I mean these

552
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: were completely new art forms that some people still think

553
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: are a fad, which is funny. Really well, you know

554
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: you hear like older Mudgeons like rap is gonna be

555
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: a fad. No, wrap is brand new art form here forever,

556
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: and it changes in morphs and is you know, it's amazing.

557
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: It's neat. So we did a hip hop episode. You

558
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: mentioned that, Yeah, it was good. I thought for you know,

559
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: a couple of shamos like us. I think we did

560
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: a pretty decent job, agreed. Um, alright, So do we

561
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: need to explain how to break dance? I want to

562
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: hear you explain it. No, I can't. You mean moonwalk? Yeah?

563
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: What to say? Break dance? Break? Yeah? Yeah, we need

564
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: to say how to moonwalk? Okay, so go ahead, take

565
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: it away. Well you're the one who does it so well,

566
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: all right, all right, are you ready? So you start?

567
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: First of all, you want to take off your shoes

568
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: and put on some socks on a nice slick floor. Yeah,

569
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: don't try to do it on like um uh pine bark. No.

570
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: Maybe pour yourself a vodka gimlet. Yeah, well that's the

571
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: that's the drink of the moonwalker. So um. You you

572
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: are on a slick floor, wearing socks, and you stand

573
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: straight up and down right, and you take your right

574
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: foot and you put it out in front of you

575
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 1: with your foot flat on the floor. Okay, bend your

576
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,439
Speaker 1: left knee and go up on the ball of your

577
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: left foot. Okay, now holding yourself in place with just

578
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: your the ball of your foot. All of everything is

579
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: on whatever foot you have up, the ball of whatever

580
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: foot you have up. Take a sip of that gimlet, right,

581
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: maybe another one too, I need one now, And then

582
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,280
Speaker 1: you drag your foot back the foot that's on the floor,

583
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: and as you drag your right foot back past your left,

584
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: you drop your left and you drop your left heel

585
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 1: and raise your right and then you repeat the same

586
00:34:54,920 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 1: process and you're floating. There's the moonwalk, a k. The backslide.

587
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: You're pretty square if you call it the moonwalk. These days,

588
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: we had to title this episode moonwalk because we wanted

589
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: everybody to know what we were talking about. But it's

590
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: called the backslide. Okay, that is correct. And I watched

591
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: the tutorial, which the guy who did the tutorial actually

592
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: wasn't great at it. Um like he he had it

593
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: down like how to teach you. But when he did it,

594
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: I was going, yeah, it's not great. Was Steve Brule? No, God,

595
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: that would be great. I just think the guy had

596
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: the wrong shoes on personally, But I'll bet that's what

597
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: he blames it onto. The thing he stressed for a

598
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: good moonwalk is a long stride, which is where you're lacking.

599
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 1: If I can be honest. Oh am, I doing it

600
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: too too short? Yeah, okay, long stride Josh Okay, I

601
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 1: didn't realize you've had so many formed opinions about my moonwalk. Uh.

602
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: That foot that you're keeping flat needs to be so

603
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: so flat to create the illusion. What what am I doing?

604
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about you know, your foot was pretty

605
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 1: good and flat. That's your stride. I pretend like it's dead,

606
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: like my foot is dead when I drag it. Uh.

607
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: And then when you when you go to switch feet,

608
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: he said, you really just snap them both real hard

609
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: to create that illusion like a good completely synchronized simultaneous

610
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: snap up and down with those two feet, your long stride,

611
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: keep that foot flat, keep that vodka gimlet flowing, and

612
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna be moonwalking in no time. And then you

613
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: can also because what you're doing is it's supposed to

614
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 1: look like you're walking while you're moving backward. You're walking

615
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: forward but moving backwards, and that's the definition of the

616
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: moonwal So you can, um, you can like add your

617
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 1: arms swinging, lean like your till till your body forward

618
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: a little bit if you're real good. Michael Jackson used

619
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 1: to like move his head up and down in rhythm

620
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 1: to his walking or whatever, and it adds to the effect.

621
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: Totes Shalamar. I feel like I kind of should try it,

622
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: try it right now. Well, I'm not gonna do it now.

623
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: You don't have a vodka gimlet, Nope? Are you got

624
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: anything else? And you go get some cocktail onions. Those

625
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: are great Gibson onions. Oh is that it Gibson and

626
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of yeah, but that's sim It is the

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Speaker 1: if people got angry that we messed something up, just like, so,

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Speaker 1: sorry about that. Civil War Buffs you know now, don't

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Speaker 1: have a contact Chuck again. Please all right, listener mail

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Speaker 1: now yeah, um, I'm just gonna read this one. Hey guys,

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Speaker 1: that's from Trevor. Thanks Trevor. That was very illuminating. Yeah,

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