1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic power. Since government conspiracies, history is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events, you can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Welcome 4 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: back to the show. My name is Matt. My name 5 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: isn't all they call me Ben? You are you that 6 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: makes this stuff they don't want you to know? We're 7 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: back right in the studio. Yeah, we're back in the studio. 8 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: We returned from our sojourn to Brooklyn. You can hear 9 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 1: that episode the live when we did in full on 10 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: our website. Stuff they don't want you to know dot 11 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 1: com or wherever you find podcasts, especially Apple podcasts. Yes, 12 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: especially Apple podcast hit that hot new rebrand and uh 13 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: we had a heck of a time doing it. We 14 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: hope to do more live shows in the future. So 15 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 1: as a side note, if you would like us to 16 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: come to your town, let us know so we can 17 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: show our bosses that they should send us on a 18 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: field trip. Offer us up a couch to crash on. 19 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: We would be very much appreciative of that kind of gesture. 20 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: And or a five star hotel whatever you If you 21 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: happen to be a big wig and you are five 22 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: star hotels you know, six of you got them under 23 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: I think four and a half is the best I've 24 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: ever done. Well, I can't disclose a lot of my 25 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: travel circumstances. I like to keep that underground. And what 26 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: we're talking about today, speaking of overly labored segues uh 27 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: concerns one of the most famous allegations of underground travel 28 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: in modern history. This is a story about a titular 29 00:01:55,840 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: incident in World War Two in April Night King, when 30 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: the Fura of Germany a k a. Adolf Hitler died. 31 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: For decades since, this single event has remained one of 32 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: the most discussed moments of the entire war. He died 33 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: in a bunker, right, Yes, it was a five star bunker, 34 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: he probably, Actually it was, Yeah, And we have some 35 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: of the we have some of the architecture about Actually, 36 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: you know what I'm remembering, and we'll get to this 37 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,679 Speaker 1: later in the episode. It wasn't that great a five 38 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: star not. I don't think it was a Michelin. I 39 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: don't think that Michelin started facilities. As far as food goes, 40 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: it was it was generally spoiler alert, an unpleasant place, 41 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: but mostly secure from shelling. Yeah. Well, in theory, the 42 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: death of Hitler signaled a tremendous blow to the right, 43 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: and even today, historians continue to debate about the nature 44 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: and degree of this blow because there's this big question. 45 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: Was Hitler at this point genuinely a good tactician or 46 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: had he become increasingly unhinged interrrational due to drug use. 47 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: And now we're talking about like emphetamans. He was hopped 48 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 1: up on goofballs. Yeah, and at the time, you know, 49 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: in World War Two we hear a lot about use 50 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: of methamphetamines, perhaps by Hitler or Saxis powers. But as 51 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: we examined in our previous episodes on drug use in 52 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: the military, amphetamines were something that everybody was interested in, 53 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: you know. And thank you, by the way to everybody 54 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: who wrote in in the listener mail episode that you 55 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: Nolan you Met did where we actually had a caller 56 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: uh call in and talk about drugs in the military. 57 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: And if you haven't listened to that episode, please check 58 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: it out. It was tremendously education. It's very kind bend. 59 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: It was not a bad effort for for us being 60 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: without our our compatriot. Oh I was. I was listening 61 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: to it on a plane and I think there were 62 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: there were some pretty funny moments that kind of creeped 63 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: out the ladies sitting next to me. But you know, 64 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: you made a nice appearance where you sort of possessed 65 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: me for a second and we caused my nose to 66 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 1: bleed and me to spout gibberish and I'm sorry, are 67 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 1: there in spirit? Yeah? I've also brought some clean x 68 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 1: is into the studio in case we have something like 69 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: that happened again. So was the loss of Hitler largely 70 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: a symbolic problem, some historians have asked? And you can 71 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:36,239 Speaker 1: find exhaustive and we do mean exhaustive biographies of Adolph 72 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: Hitler and and analyzes of the right in World War 73 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 1: Two all over the place. If you'd like to learn 74 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: more about his life. We can recommend a couple of 75 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: places to find some excellent info. Yeah. One particularly good 76 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: one is Hitler The Terminal Biography by d. Harlan Wilson, 77 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: also episode thirty seven of the World War Two podcast. 78 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: The Beginning of a multi episode series on Hitler by 79 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: Ray Harris jr. Um is another good one, and for 80 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: a particularly refreshing dive of the deep variety into not 81 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: just Hitler but the Nazi Party at large in general 82 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 1: and more. Check out our peer podcast stuff you miss 83 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 1: in history class, which I produce great folks, great folks. 84 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: So I feel like we're kind of burying the lead here, guys. 85 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: It's for twenty It's April twenty today, which not only 86 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 1: is a day for celebrations of people offneable persuasions namphetamine 87 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 1: thing right, No, uh, it's also Hitler's birthday. And you know, seriously, yeah, 88 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: yeah's birthday. I didn't know that. Oh, or it would yeah, 89 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: I guess if he was still alive, he would have 90 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: celebrated the anniversary of his birth, yes, which you know, 91 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: I we we did not plan this. It was not 92 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: something that we're going to do. We're usually record our 93 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: pod casts yesterday on Wednesday, and it is Thursday. However, 94 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: we are not talking about his life, nor for the 95 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: record or wishing him a happy birthday. It's just weird 96 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: how the world works. Our story starts again, as we said, 97 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: on the day of his death. So let's look at 98 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 1: the official story. The room where it happened, The room 99 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: where it happened. That's a joke for you, Matt, Thanks buddy, 100 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: I appreciate that very much. Um it's a it's a 101 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: whole musical thing. Don't don't worry about Oh, it's the 102 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: it's the it's a Hamilton's thing references. I don't, I don't. 103 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: I only know the I'm not gonna but shot. Yes. Um, 104 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: So we're going back to the bunker. This is where 105 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: Hitler and several of his closest associates spent pretty much 106 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: the last stretch of the war, especially Hitler, who was 107 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 1: just there ensconced. I love that word ben uh in 108 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 1: the funeral bunker, which is and it was an air 109 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: raid shelter in Berlin. We talked about it being resistant 110 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: somewhat at least two shelling and other large bombs. It 111 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: was called the fuer Bunker. Yes, yes, those Germans Man 112 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: they really have those like words that are just so 113 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: absurdly literal. That's the bunker of. And I love the 114 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: way that the German language. German speakers in the audience 115 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: you already you already know this, and I hope you 116 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: realize how much non German speakers appreciate and are mystified 117 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: by this propensity in German or practice, I should say, 118 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: to make a word by just smashing all these other 119 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: words together you know it's it's startling to me and 120 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: I stand in awe of your enunciation. And uh, much 121 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: like thirty three Thomas Street, this bunker was meant to 122 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: contain everything you need to survive for quite a while, 123 00:07:55,440 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: especially airborne attacks, chemical weapons. Even however, if a an 124 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: atomic bomb was dropped on this thing, it wouldn't have 125 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: fared so well probably yeah, well, of course this wasn't 126 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: designed to because what's an atom bomb? Right, It wasn't 127 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: designed a big giant thing that nuclear material wipes out 128 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: populations drops on. I also used to do hip hop 129 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: tracks with the guy who called himself Adam Bomb, but 130 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: he spelled it yeah a d A related to Adam amp. 131 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: You know, I never we We were mostly colleagues. They 132 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: had different last Uh So, the Fewer Bunker was part 133 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: of a larger Right Chancellory bunker, and it was composed 134 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: of two parts. There's the Vore Bunker or Forward Bunker, 135 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: and that was completed in nineteen thirty six. The Fewer Bunker, 136 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: the Hitler Clubhouse for lack of a more respectful term, 137 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: was completed in nineteen forty four. It was about eight 138 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: feet lower in the ground, which which becomes important in 139 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: just a second when we were talking about the five 140 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 1: star stuff. So this complex was originally only intended to 141 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: be a temporary air raid shelter because during a lot 142 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: of his career, Adolf Hitler didn't spend that much time 143 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: actually in Berlin. However, is the situation in Germany worsened. 144 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:26,319 Speaker 1: By January of nine, it became Hitler's primary residence, and 145 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: it was not a great place because it was below 146 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: the water table, so it's always kind of damp. If 147 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 1: you want to see a really, really really well done 148 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: dramatization of this period in Hitler's life, check out the 149 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: movie Downfall. You may know it if you haven't seen 150 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: it by the same meme clip where it's this part 151 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: where I think Hitler's generals or whatever are telling him 152 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 1: that basically all is lost and then nothing can be done, 153 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: and he's got this map and he just kind of 154 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: like freaks out and gives them all a really intense 155 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: dressing down. And there are just all these amazing versions 156 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: where they changed the subtitles to be about can you 157 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: remember particular one was about backwards compatibility on video games, 158 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: maybe one about like Apple removing the headphone jack or 159 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: something like that. Stuff like that. It's like they basically 160 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: very gently tell him this news and he sort of 161 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: twitches for a little bit and then just kind of 162 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: just lose it and pounds on the table. But anyway, 163 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: I digress. That's that's a great film that very much 164 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: describes visually the period that we're talking about here. Recommended highly. Yeah, 165 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: the situation Noel described and Downfall from a visual perspective 166 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 1: is pretty much spot on. They had to run pumps 167 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: continuously to remove groundwater. They had electricity provided by a 168 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: diesel generator. They used well water for the supplies. They 169 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: did have in the beginning, communications equipment and a tele 170 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: X telephone switchboard, army radio set. I would imagine they 171 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: had to go dark though after a while, or there 172 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: was no one to communicate with. Yeah, as conditions deteriorated. Uh, 173 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: they ended up receiving much of the war news from 174 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: British broadcast radio BBC broadcast and then via courier towards 175 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: the end, where someone would hear something from the BBC 176 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: and then like run across the garden and knock on 177 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: the door. And and as Matt mentioned, uh, people it 178 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,959 Speaker 1: wasn't just Hitler in here, right, There were other people. Yeah, 179 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,839 Speaker 1: there are all kinds of officials, other staff that lived 180 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: at the larger complex itself. Aside from Hitler, there were 181 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 1: occupants in the bunker like itself at one time or another. 182 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: So you're talking about Goring, Herman, Goring, Heinrich, Hmmler, the 183 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: I don't know what you call them, some of the 184 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 1: main players in the Nazi party, his like posse, his 185 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: inner circle, his care That's exactly what it is. And 186 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:47,319 Speaker 1: of course Hitler's longtime partner Eva Braun. As you can imagine, 187 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: the psychic energy in the bunker was pretty desperate at times, 188 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: super intense, like we were saying in Downfall, kind of 189 00:11:56,120 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: showing that feeling. Um and more and more occupants left 190 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 1: as conditions got worse and worse and worse. Surrounding them 191 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 1: as forces, Allied forces, Russian forces, Um, they're all kind 192 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: of squeezing in towards the bunker itself. Yeah, let's talk 193 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: about outside the bunker because it's just as important to 194 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: our story today as what occurred inside. So by early 195 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: Germany's military was on the verge of complete and total collapse. 196 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: The Nazis felt that the battle for Berlin would be 197 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: the final battle of the war in Europe, so around 198 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: thousand soldiers of Germany's Army Group B were surrounded and 199 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: captured on the eighteenth of April, leaving the path completely 200 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: open for American occupation of Berlin. American forces to reach 201 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: and invade Berlin um by April eleven, the Americans crossed 202 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: the Elba sixty two miles to the west of Berlin, 203 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: and then by the sixteenth Soviet forces to the east 204 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: crossed the Odor and commenced the battle for the Silo Heights, 205 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: which was the last major defensive line protecting Berlin on 206 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: that particular side, And by the nineteenth of April, the 207 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: German forces were in full retreat from Cielo Heights, so 208 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: this means there was no front line. Berlin was bombarded 209 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: by Soviet artillery for the first time on his birthday, 210 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: Hitler's birthday of April. On the one Hitler ordered an 211 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: s S general named Felix Steiner Uh to take his 212 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: detachment and moved to rescue Berlin. But by the evening 213 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: of the same day, Soviet tanks reached the outskirts of 214 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: the city. That is a strong SS name general name 215 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: Felix Steiner just just very imposing sounding yes, absolutely So 216 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: the next day, the twenty two, Hitler learned that stein 217 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: Steiner had not obeyed his order and for the first 218 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: time this this really calls back to that moment in 219 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: Downfall he declared that the war was lost. This is 220 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: when he consulted his doctor, Dr verna Has on the 221 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: most reliable method of suicide, and the doctor told him 222 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: that he should use both a cyanide pill and a 223 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: bullet self administered in that order. Right, yeah, And and 224 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: this is when Hitler's paranoia really starts to ramp up 225 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: to the highest levels that has been um because you know, 226 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: I I can only imagine that being at that top level, 227 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: you have some thoughts about the people around you that 228 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: can border on crazy maybe, And he was really feeling 229 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: that the people closest to him were traders and he 230 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: didn't trust anybody. Well, can you imagine two going from 231 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: being the head Han show that can do whatever he wants, 232 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: get whatever he wants, order whatever he wants to be 233 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: done to whomever he chooses. Two living in an underground 234 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: subterranean cube, you know, with your closest friend these I guess, 235 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: And can you imagine the paranoia that would set in 236 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: and just the isolation that would set in, not to 237 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: mention if you're geeked up out of your mind on amphetamines, 238 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: when your major generals just just disobeyed your order outright 239 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: categorically did not do his job. So here's the Here 240 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: are a couple of examples. When Herman Goring learned about 241 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: this suicide conversation Hitler had had with his doctor, he 242 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: sent a telegram Jadolf Hitler and asked for permission to 243 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: take over the leadership of the Reich, and he he had. 244 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: Goring felt he had precedents because in ninety one Hitler 245 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: had named Goring his successor. So Hitler's secretary, a guy 246 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: named Martin Borman, convinced his boss that Goring was planning 247 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: a coup. In response, Hitler told Goring he would be 248 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: executed unless he resigned, and then he sacked Goring from 249 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: all of his offices, ordered his arrest. And then he 250 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: learned through the BBC that Heinrich Hmmler had offered to 251 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: surrender to the Western Allies. Can you imagine, So all 252 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: of these you know, thoughts that he's having are in 253 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: some ways coming true. Right. The The offer, by the way, 254 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: was declined by the allies. Himmler apparently had implied to 255 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: the Allies that he had the authority to negotiate a surrender, 256 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: and Hitler considered this treason. He was beyond furious. He 257 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: ordered Himmler's arrest. Was he furious? That was worth it? 258 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: That was worth it? He was? He was furious. Uh. 259 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: He not only ordered Himmler's arrest, but Himmler had a 260 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: representative from the s S who was at the bunker, 261 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: and Hitler had him executed. Talk about blaming the messenger 262 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: the representative. So by the seven April, as we said, 263 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: Berlin was cut off from the rest of Germany. On 264 00:16:56,160 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: April twenty nine, Hitler married Eva Braun and upon learning 265 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: the fate of his ally Benito Mussolini, whose body was 266 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:08,199 Speaker 1: desecrated after his execution, was he dragged behind like a 267 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: carriage of some sort? Yeah, I believe. So he requested 268 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: the Sinai capsules from his doctor, remarking that he would 269 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: not be made a spectacle. Side note. Side note here, um, 270 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: just to give a little insight into the character of 271 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: the dictator he need. He wanted to make sure the 272 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 1: capsule worked, so he ordered his doctor has to use 273 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,959 Speaker 1: one on his own. Dog Blondie. You know he at 274 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: least it wasn't like his daughter or something, right, but 275 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: it didn't make an apologies for Hitler. It did work. 276 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: The dog died and Hitler was satisfied. He went to bed, 277 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 1: which brings us to the day of On April, General 278 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: Wilhelm Kitl reported that all forces that could have rescued 279 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: Berlin had either been in circle or forced onto the defensive. 280 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: Soviet forces were less than six feet from this half 281 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: star bunker, and then the commander of the Berlin Defense 282 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: area told Hitler that the forces that remained would run 283 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: out of ammunition that night and the fighting would eventually 284 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: come to an end less than twenty four hours from then. 285 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: So imagine the scene. Hitler, two of his secretaries, and 286 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 1: his personal cook had lunch, after which he and Eva 287 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: said farewell, two members of the staff and the other 288 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 1: occupants at the time that included Boorman, Joseph Garrible's, his family, 289 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 1: the secretary's military officers. Around two thirty, Adolph and Ava 290 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: went into Hitler's personal study. Witnesses later reported hearing a gunshot. 291 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: About an hour later, at three thirty, Hitler's valet, a 292 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 1: guy named heinz Ling, have Bourman in his side. They 293 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: opened the door, Ling smelt burnt almonds, which are a 294 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: common observation made in the presence of prussic acid, which 295 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: is the liquid form of hydrogen cyanide, and another official 296 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: entered the study and found lifeless bodies on the sofa. 297 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: Evan Braun was to Hitler's left, slumped away from him. 298 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: People stated that Hitler sat sunken over blood dripping out 299 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: of his right temple and that he had shot himself 300 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: with his own pistol, a walthor PPK. According to heinz 301 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: ling Eva's body had no physical wounds that were visible, 302 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 1: and it looked like from her face that she died 303 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 1: of cyanide poisoning. His bodyguard, Rochus Miche, was one of 304 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: the first people to see the dictator's corpse, and he 305 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 1: also ended up being one of the last two living 306 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: people left at the bunker. He fled the bunker and 307 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,719 Speaker 1: May the second only hours before the Soviet army seized it. 308 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: He met up with other soldiers. They traveled north through 309 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 1: the u Bon tunnels. They were taking prisoner when the 310 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: Soviets caught them. He was brought to a prison in 311 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,959 Speaker 1: Moscow called Lubyanka, where he was tortured in an attempt 312 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: to extract information regarding what happened to Hitler, because you see, Stalin, 313 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 1: Joseph Stalin was extremely interested in learning more about Hitler's 314 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: fate and theories about as possible escape. And because of this, 315 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 1: roches Mish spent eight years and forced labor camps. His 316 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: account largely confirms the official narrative. But that's just one 317 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 1: guy's account, right, and it leads and a lot of people, 318 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: you know, still don't believe the story. But why we'll 319 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: answer that after a word from our sponsor. Here's where 320 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:55,880 Speaker 1: it gets crazy. Almost immediately after the news of Hitler's death, 321 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: conspiracy theories proliferate. It we're talking the same month, We're 322 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: the same couple of weeks. Like wildfire, they spread. This 323 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: view is overwhelmingly dismissed in the public sphere and in academia, 324 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: but they are tantalizing little nuggets of of information. They 325 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:17,479 Speaker 1: continued to be strewn about and emerged, casting doubt on 326 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: the official story. Here is one example. Um a secret 327 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: memo from FBI Director j Edgar Hoover declared that quote 328 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: American Army officials in Germany have not located Hitler's body, 329 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: nor is there any reliable source that will say definitely 330 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 1: that Hitler is dead. At the Potsdam conference, US President 331 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 1: Harry S. Truman s Stalin of Hitler died, and Stalin 332 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: said nope. I'm kidding. He didn't actually say nope, but 333 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,959 Speaker 1: he said no. And the thing is that Soviet intelligence 334 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: often changed their official stance on Hitler's fate, and because 335 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 1: of this ambiguity, they created a large amount of uncertainty 336 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: for decades afterwards. There are also a number of FBI 337 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: documents that came out. You can find them at the 338 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 1: vault dot FBI dot gov. You may have heard of 339 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: this before, um and these documents are alleged sightings of 340 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: Hitler that happened after his supposed death. Usually he's wearing 341 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: like a Hawaiian shirt and a little fedora and like 342 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: like like glasses with the nose and the mustache attached. 343 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: Those are yeah, those are more recent, and he has 344 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: that T shirt that says definitely not yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, 345 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: always at the arrow pointing out. But these documents they 346 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: range from from you know, all the way to the 347 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 1: seventies and then later, but most of them are accounts 348 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: of someone calling in or making contact with the FBI 349 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,360 Speaker 1: or some other agency and saying, I'm I know where 350 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 1: Hitler is. He's here in Argentina, or he's here and 351 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 1: then Puerto Rico or in these other places. Um, And 352 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: it's just a recording of someone saying that they have 353 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 1: that information, and we need to put in a brief 354 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 1: word about this sort of stuff. So one problem that 355 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 1: law enforcement across the planet runs into repeatedly is the 356 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 1: idea of someone seen a random person and thinking that 357 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 1: they're definitely you know, the Zodiac Killer, the son of 358 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:17,919 Speaker 1: Sam tupacor perfect example. And the problem with that is 359 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: in many cases, not only can these not be verified, 360 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:25,120 Speaker 1: but often not maybe not the majority of the time, 361 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: but often there are people who are just reporting it 362 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,880 Speaker 1: because they kind of want attention, not to mention if 363 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: you have an actual like man hunt since you situation 364 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: Like I recently watched the O J. Simpson dramatization Non 365 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 1: von FX with Cuba Gooding Jr. And there was a 366 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: part where when o J was on the run and 367 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 1: the Bronco people kept calling like saying I saw I 368 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: definitely see o J. And it was just clogging up 369 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: the lines to the point where like the person that 370 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 1: actually had information couldn't even get through because people like 371 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: you say, either are jerks and are just trying to 372 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: like prank people, or they just really want attention and 373 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 1: want to be like the guy that brought down Hitler. Yeah, 374 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: there's excitement right in thinking that it might be. And 375 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: so one of the reasons that the FBI did keep 376 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: track of this, although they did conclude that these accounts 377 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 1: or these reports cannot be verified, they had an interest 378 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: in keeping tracking this because of the situation with Hitler's body. Yes, okay, 379 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: according to the official story, what happened with Hitler's the 380 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: the Hitler's body, both Eva and Adolf, they were taken 381 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 1: from the bunker up to the surface. Um, and they 382 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: were set on fire. Yeah, created right per his wishes exactly, 383 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,640 Speaker 1: And because he didn't want his body anything, He didn't 384 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: want anything to happen to his body after the Soviets 385 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: got there, and he didn't want to get the Mussolini treatment, right, 386 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 1: And because of that, because it was burned and may 387 00:24:55,480 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 1: have even been hit from the shelling, possibly once or 388 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: twice or however many times. There's no way to confirm 389 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: any of that. There were other bodies that were also cremated. There. 390 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: There was a whole stack of bodies that ended up 391 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,239 Speaker 1: roughly in the location where the Hitlers were, where their 392 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: remains were, and it wasn't really known for quite a 393 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 1: while in the time frame after his their deaths and 394 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 1: after the remains were collected by the Soviets. So they're 395 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: all kinds of forensic issues here. And let's let's also 396 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 1: keep in mind that almost immediately after World War Two, 397 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: the uneasy alliance that existed between the Soviet forces and 398 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 1: I guess more of the West, right, like the European 399 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 1: allies in the US. Almost immediately this uneasy alliance began 400 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,439 Speaker 1: to disintegrate. This was much more of an enemy of 401 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 1: my enemy as my friend kind of situation, right, what 402 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: about a friend of me of my friend of me 403 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,360 Speaker 1: and then would take us back to the bunker. But yeah, 404 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: fret of me is a front of me is a 405 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 1: pretty accurate term for the interaction between these people. So 406 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: the Soviet government having control over a lot of this 407 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: stuff and already launching into a rivalry. And this is 408 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,719 Speaker 1: not to put this geopolitical Cold war stuff all on 409 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: the Soviets end. There there were definitely aggressions on both 410 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: sides of this new world order. But another, as as 411 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 1: Null said, a nugget of information emerged recently and uh, 412 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 1: you know, decades later and set the Internet on fire 413 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: because the Soviet government, after multiple changes in their their 414 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: end of the official story and ambiguities and contradictions, allowed 415 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: a an archaeologist and bone specialist named Nick Bellotoni two 416 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: test the fragment of skull that the that were kept 417 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 1: in the Russian Federal Archives in Moscow and purportedly where 418 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 1: you know the remains of Hitler's skull that Nick Cage 419 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: was so pissed when he found that out. He was like, 420 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,199 Speaker 1: I thought I had hitler skull in my collection. I'm 421 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,959 Speaker 1: sure there were all several people who wrote strongly worded 422 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: letters to eBay. So the the thing that Dr bell 423 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: Atoni found out was that when he took samples of 424 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:35,439 Speaker 1: the skull and gave them DNA testing, found that it 425 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: definitely wasn't Hitler unless Hitler was a woman below the 426 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: age of forty. It was it was a different skull. 427 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it was a different skull. I'm gonna 428 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,919 Speaker 1: agree with you. Well, yeah, and it goes back to 429 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 1: that whole idea that there were a lot of body 430 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: strewn about in that area where they picked up you know, 431 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 1: where the Soviets picked up the remains for testing. Um, 432 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: you know, it was just gonna happen probably, And and 433 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: here's something interesting, Okay, Neither former Soviet nor current Russian 434 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: officials claimed that the skull was the main piece of 435 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: evidence proving it was Hitler, So we have to throw 436 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 1: some water on this one. Instead, they would cite these 437 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:23,199 Speaker 1: jawbone fragments and two dental bridges that were found. And 438 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: these items were shown to Hugo Blashke, who was Hitler's dentist. 439 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 1: That's the thing about being a dictator, You have a 440 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: you have an entourage of people who just do one 441 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: thing for you, right. And so Hugo the dentist, and 442 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: his dental assistant UH, person named Kathy Hauserman UH and 443 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: then a longtime dental technician named Fritz Eckman all confirmed 444 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: that the dental remains, the bridge, the bridges belonged to 445 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: Hitler and Eva Broad and the skull fragment itself. And 446 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: this sometimes gets glossed over in the story is about 447 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: it's not Hitler's skull. The skull fragment was found a 448 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: year later in n when the Soviets were investigating rumors 449 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: of Hitler's survival. Because for a long time Stalin was 450 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: obsessed with this, and Stalin definitely had an obsessive personality. 451 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: So we can say that maybe that part of the 452 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: story of Hitler surviving or faking his death, maybe that 453 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: part of the story is a little sensationalized, but there 454 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: are still clear problems with the official narrative, and even 455 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: today Hitler would have been And if you want to 456 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: see X rays of Adolf Hitler's jaw and pictures of 457 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: a recreated version of the jaw bone when they were 458 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: doing testing to figure out if this truly was Hitler's jawbone, 459 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: UH searched the adontological identification of Adolf Hitler. There's an 460 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: entire document here that goes over everything, and in includes 461 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: images of everything we just talked about. Why do you 462 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: think Stalin had such a band his bondet about this 463 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 1: whole business. You think he just felt like out dictated. 464 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 1: That's an interesting question. He was definitely an obsessive man, 465 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: obsessive in terms of personality, perhaps two the level of 466 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: a mental disorder, but then there's also the very interesting 467 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: argument that one cannot be a dictator without some sort 468 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: of cognitive anomaly, right exactly. And also we can't forget 469 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: that he had access to information that did not exist 470 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: in any way whatsoever, not only in the public sphere 471 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: in the Soviet Union, but even in governmental levels in 472 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: the West. So he saw a lot of problems with 473 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: the official story. And as more and more of this 474 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: information emerged across the gulf of time and space, uh, 475 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: more and more people began to question whether Adolph Hitler 476 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: actually died and began asking what if? We're gonna ask 477 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: that question too after a little sponsor break, So what if? This, 478 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, is the part of the show where 479 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 1: we explore some of the speculation regarding alternate narratives of 480 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 1: Hitler post World War Two. I'd be okay with that. 481 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: Fantastic I'm glad you're on board. So if if he 482 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: did somehow escape, where would he have gone? Earlier in 483 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 1: the show we mentioned Earlier in the show, we mentioned 484 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: one of Hitler's officials who said, look, the s is 485 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: about to hit the f and I don't mean San Francisco. 486 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 1: We're gonna run out of I mean nition in twenty 487 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: four hours that that official also requested for the en 488 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,959 Speaker 1: time for Hitler to green light them attempting to make 489 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 1: a breakout, which would mean that he and the associates 490 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 1: and the remaining military would essentially go for a hail 491 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: Mary and just try to get through the Soviet encirclement 492 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: to reconvene with whatever existing forces they could find, because 493 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: there were tunnels that were fairly nearby that they could use. 494 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: There were some airports that possibly they could have accessed, right, 495 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: So that is one of the big questions. This brings 496 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: us to what we would call ratlines and paper clips. 497 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: You see, although the Allies reported that Hitler was indeed deceased, privately, 498 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 1: several factions within that coalition doubted the official story. Several 499 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: figures in Allied intelligence believed Hitler might have actually escaped, 500 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: and as mentioned before, the Russian leader Joseph Stalin was 501 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: Hitler had actually fled, and he told this to the Americans. So, 502 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 1: during a visit to the Hague shortly after the war, 503 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: the commander of the Allied forces, good Old Dwight Ike right, Ike, Yeah, 504 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 1: I like Ike, Dwight D. Eisenhower told reporters that there 505 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: was a quote reason to believe Hitler was still alive. Um. 506 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: The Russian account of what happened after they had seized 507 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 1: Hitler's one star bunker was confused and contradictory, and just 508 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: like bin Laden decades later, there was no body. What's 509 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: the what's the Latin? First? Show me the body, corpus, 510 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 1: you have the body? What about showing me the money? 511 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: Is there a Latin for that? Yes? Probably habeas de niro. 512 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: We will, we will doubtlessly find out. You can write 513 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 1: to us directly with the Latin translation of not only 514 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: show me the money, but your other favorite film catchphrases. 515 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: So yes. So there are rumors were circulating that both 516 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 1: Hitler and Brown at this time they're both Hitlers, had 517 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: been smuggled out of Germany, and they're reported signings of 518 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: the two coming from all over the world. The FBI 519 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,839 Speaker 1: and the OSS, which you may know as the predecessor 520 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 1: to the CIA, they investigated a lot of these rumors, 521 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: and there are a lot of places that they may 522 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 1: have gone, according to these rumors. One of them is 523 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,760 Speaker 1: South America. Yeah, and here's the thing. At the time, 524 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 1: this was not an absolutely bonkers concept. Although the public 525 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,320 Speaker 1: was largely unaware of the situation. Multiple Nazi officials escaped 526 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: punishment after the war through several different means due to 527 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,839 Speaker 1: the hundreds of thousands of German immigrants who lived in 528 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:47,720 Speaker 1: the country. Argentina in particular maintains close ties with Germany 529 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: and remained neutral throughout much of World War Two. In 530 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: the years after the war, the president at the time 531 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: one Prone secretly ordered diplomats and intelligence officers to establish 532 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 1: a escape routes so called ratlines, through ports in Spain 533 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,320 Speaker 1: and Italy, to smuggle thousands of former s S officers 534 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: and Nazi Party members out of Europe, and as many 535 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 1: as five thousand Nazis are thought to have relocated to Argentina. 536 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,800 Speaker 1: One of the major ideas about how this may have happened, 537 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 1: how the Hitler's got out It comes. I'm pulling this 538 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: from Skeptoid, another podcast that covers a lot of these 539 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 1: kinds of things, and I would recommend you check it 540 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: out if you're interested. We're just gonna pull from here. 541 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: So on May eighth, the German Instrument of Surrender was signed. 542 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 1: So this is, you know, a couple of weeks after, 543 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 1: like a weekend, a couple of days after Hitler allegedly 544 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 1: committed suicide, officially ending the war. This yeah, officially ends 545 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 1: World War two, at least in Europe. And there were 546 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 1: remaining German German submarines and several other naval ships that 547 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 1: were out at sea at the time, and the submarines 548 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 1: in particular were ordered to jettison their ammunition, to operate 549 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,319 Speaker 1: only on the surface, and to surrender essentially to any 550 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 1: U n port that they could. Now several several of 551 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,760 Speaker 1: the submarines decided this maybe some kind of diversionary tactic. 552 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 1: Maybe the war isn't over. Maybe this is propaganda and 553 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 1: they're just trying to get us to, you know, surrender. 554 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 1: So one boat in particular, one submarine, a U boat 555 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 1: called U five thirty, it chose to kind of be 556 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 1: on its own for a while, almost two months. Where 557 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,360 Speaker 1: it it took. It took a journey and if you 558 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,359 Speaker 1: look at the skeptical way thing, it tells you all 559 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 1: about exactly where they went. And this is the ship 560 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 1: that allegedly dropped off Hitler, the Hitler's according to several stories. 561 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 1: Because of its route, it took past Argentina right and 562 00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 1: ultimately it's surrendered to the Argentinian Navy. Isn't correct. Yes, 563 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: so the it also not only jettisoned a lot of 564 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:12,240 Speaker 1: its equipment, but it's logs. Yeah, so these two missing 565 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 1: months are questionable as they exist in the statements that 566 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: their mouth gave to the Argentineans. So what's the what's 567 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,400 Speaker 1: the fringe historian accounted this, Matt The account would be 568 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,720 Speaker 1: that the Hitler's escaped through tunnels, got to an airport 569 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 1: that then took them over to the submarine. The submarine 570 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:40,799 Speaker 1: then dropped them off in Argentina. And you know that 571 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: that's like the story, And there are allegedly a couple 572 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 1: of people that saw them. I saw some German officials 573 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,759 Speaker 1: exiting this submarine. Um though you know, being able to 574 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 1: correctly identify which submarine it was. They're all kinds of 575 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 1: issues with that. And if you look at the official 576 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: story from the captain or I what, I don't know 577 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,920 Speaker 1: what you call them, the person who was running the submarine, 578 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: the commander, uh, the logs their travel, his story of 579 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 1: the travel with those logs that they jettisoned makes sense 580 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 1: as far as how much fuel they used, how much 581 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,080 Speaker 1: fuel they had on board and where like the route 582 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,360 Speaker 1: that they took, which doesn't include dropping people off in 583 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,960 Speaker 1: Argentina if you did the math right. So unless there 584 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,799 Speaker 1: were some other fuel stop that remains secret, it would 585 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 1: be physically impossible even in to reduce some more economical 586 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,279 Speaker 1: speed for U five thirty to make that trip. Yeah, 587 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 1: because of the long amount of time, they were traveling 588 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 1: extremely slowly deep in the water. So this idea, this 589 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:44,399 Speaker 1: ratline stuff was not restricted to Argentina. Nor is it 590 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,839 Speaker 1: a series of allegations. Let's be clear here. The only 591 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:55,919 Speaker 1: allegation is that Adolph Hitler was among those who went 592 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,880 Speaker 1: on these rat lines. Otherwise it's completely true, and it's 593 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,800 Speaker 1: even and in some cases with the assistance of the Vatican, 594 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:07,960 Speaker 1: various officials escaped. German prosecutors who examined secret files from 595 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,959 Speaker 1: Brazil and Chile also discovered that as many as nine 596 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 1: thousand Nazi officers and collaborators from other countries escaped from 597 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 1: Europe to fine sanctuary in the South American nations. Brazil 598 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,360 Speaker 1: took in between fifteen hundred and two thousand war criminals 599 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,920 Speaker 1: of five hundred to a thousand settled in Chile. Here's 600 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:32,719 Speaker 1: an interesting point, Perrone, and I'm so proud of the 601 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,279 Speaker 1: three of us for getting this far without adult cry 602 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 1: for me, Argentina a Vita reference. What's that I'm not 603 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 1: following for this reindeer game? Definitely with Madonna, is it is? 604 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,360 Speaker 1: And I didn't think it was that bad. Uh. Perrone 605 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 1: particularly wanted to recruit Nazis with military and technical expertise 606 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,400 Speaker 1: because let's remember, these scientists were doing some top notch 607 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,880 Speaker 1: rocketry work, because we've discussed in previous episodes. So they 608 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 1: were like rocket scientists and they were literally rocket scientists 609 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:11,360 Speaker 1: brain surgeons. I don't know if they were brain surgeons. 610 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,760 Speaker 1: But the guy who who invented the V two rocket 611 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 1: for you know, the Nazis also invented the center in 612 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:23,880 Speaker 1: five rockets that went to the moon, right, remember him? Uh? 613 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 1: These Uh the thing that Prone wanted to do. The 614 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 1: reason he wanted these uh these scientists is because he 615 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:36,080 Speaker 1: believed it could help Argentina's progress in these fields. Much 616 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 1: like the United States and the Soviet Union, despite the 617 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,200 Speaker 1: public righteousness and pretends of pursuing justice, both the US 618 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,239 Speaker 1: and the USS are scrambled like mad dogs to gain 619 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:50,320 Speaker 1: possession of as many Nazi scientists as possible. Like roaches, 620 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,080 Speaker 1: fleeing the blinding light of a forty watt bulb. Yeah, 621 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:58,799 Speaker 1: like like people at a comic convention desperately clawing at 622 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,400 Speaker 1: each other and trampling another when someone threw out a 623 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:06,319 Speaker 1: copy of Action Comics number one or a two Leader 624 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,719 Speaker 1: of Mountain Dew. I've seen that happen in person, or 625 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 1: you know, like two massive empires that want to control 626 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:17,120 Speaker 1: the world and need every technical little bit of advantage 627 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,759 Speaker 1: they can get. That is much more apt Matthew. Yes, 628 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 1: in the US, this was known as Operation paper Clip. 629 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,359 Speaker 1: And if you'd like to learn more about it, who 630 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,360 Speaker 1: friends and neighbors have we got a deal for you. 631 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,040 Speaker 1: You can check out all of our past video and 632 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 1: audio episodes on that with a simple Internet search. However, 633 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 1: we would be remiss if we did not close on 634 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 1: one of the more let's say, controversial theories about the 635 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:50,480 Speaker 1: ultimate alleged escape route of Adolph Hitler, and that is, 636 00:41:51,320 --> 00:42:01,120 Speaker 1: if we could have a drumroll please and Arctica. Yes, 637 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:08,799 Speaker 1: Hitler went to join his ancient aryan underground brothers in Antarctica. 638 00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:14,680 Speaker 1: You mean polar bears. That's the original Arian nation. Polar 639 00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,440 Speaker 1: Bears are in the North Pole. These would be penguins. 640 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,600 Speaker 1: Oh my bad, I get my poles confused. The the 641 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:27,279 Speaker 1: the this ties into the earlier longstanding theory that in 642 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,319 Speaker 1: factors in something called Operation High Jump. So we'll talk 643 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,440 Speaker 1: about the less less out their version and then will 644 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,520 Speaker 1: maybe end on the really really out their version. So 645 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,680 Speaker 1: the less out there version is that the Allies and 646 00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:46,239 Speaker 1: the Axis powers were both exploring Antarctica as sort of 647 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:50,160 Speaker 1: an insurance policy to make sure that they could control 648 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,840 Speaker 1: all of the continents eventually, because we have to remember, 649 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:57,080 Speaker 1: they are playing a huge live action game of risk, 650 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:02,720 Speaker 1: and so the German side and the Axis side wanted 651 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,000 Speaker 1: to create a land called New Schwapia, and you can 652 00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,920 Speaker 1: actually find this on some of the maps of the time. 653 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:13,440 Speaker 1: The theory here is that a U boat that was 654 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,080 Speaker 1: out of pocket or was maybe black ops the entire time, 655 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:24,239 Speaker 1: ferried Hitler and some other officials to Antarctica, where they 656 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:30,120 Speaker 1: began to plan for a third right version, to which 657 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,200 Speaker 1: I guess technically would be a fourth Reich, but they 658 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:37,479 Speaker 1: did not consult Matt Nolan I on the nomenclature. This 659 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:43,560 Speaker 1: is widely not accepted by academia, but it goes further. 660 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 1: There's also a train of thought amongst people who believe 661 00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:54,359 Speaker 1: that the Nazi powers discovered, or were at least searching for, 662 00:43:54,760 --> 00:44:00,160 Speaker 1: as Matt said, an underground race of ancient arians who 663 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:04,439 Speaker 1: made their own civilization in anywhere from a subterranean cave 664 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:10,040 Speaker 1: system to a hollow earth. Penguins, penguins, just so uber penguins, 665 00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:14,920 Speaker 1: and that these uh, that these forces are responsible for 666 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:20,880 Speaker 1: multiple UFO sightings in the subsequent decades. Now, that's fascinating. 667 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:22,279 Speaker 1: Tell me more. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to make 668 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:23,960 Speaker 1: light by saying they were penguins. I was just trying 669 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,200 Speaker 1: to make up for not knowing where polar bears live. 670 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:31,359 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. No, uh no, please please don't. Don't beat 671 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,799 Speaker 1: yourself up here. The idea is the the idea is 672 00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,000 Speaker 1: that it's kind of a take off the concept we've 673 00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,920 Speaker 1: seen before that UFOs, often confused with extraterrestrials, are just 674 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,520 Speaker 1: classified technology that most people aren't aware of. Right, So 675 00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:49,360 Speaker 1: the idea here would be that the Nazi Party or 676 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,040 Speaker 1: the remnants of it, made it to Antarctica, but also 677 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,200 Speaker 1: managed to preserve some of the secret technology they have 678 00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,279 Speaker 1: been researching. So might this enter into like the sort 679 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,640 Speaker 1: of trope sort of James Bondi trope of like secret 680 00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:07,640 Speaker 1: underground ice layers with death rays and things like that. Oh, 681 00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:12,480 Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely. At this point, you know, we do have 682 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:17,520 Speaker 1: to say that it doesn't seem from what we've encountered, 683 00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:22,439 Speaker 1: it doesn't seem likely that Antarctica ended up being the 684 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:26,680 Speaker 1: final resting place of Hitler. We do know for sure 685 00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,920 Speaker 1: that South America ended up being the final resting place 686 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:36,960 Speaker 1: for several members of that same political party. However, we 687 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:42,040 Speaker 1: do have to ask are all these stories. Is all 688 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:46,040 Speaker 1: this conjecture based on the fact simply that this is 689 00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,399 Speaker 1: one of the most infamous people in history, or are 690 00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:54,280 Speaker 1: the holes in the official narrative, which you know, indisputably exists, 691 00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:56,760 Speaker 1: even just in the manner of his death in Berlin? 692 00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:01,680 Speaker 1: Are these are these holes purposeful propaganda efforts by the 693 00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,040 Speaker 1: Soviet intelligence? Or is there something more to the story? 694 00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:13,480 Speaker 1: Did Adolph Hitler die by his own hand on April nineteen? 695 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,520 Speaker 1: In my opinion, it's all about a lack of closure. 696 00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:21,840 Speaker 1: You have this ancient evil figure that at the Allies 697 00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,239 Speaker 1: and the Soviets are all seeing as like this is 698 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,520 Speaker 1: the guy, we we win if this guy is dead 699 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:33,560 Speaker 1: and you you know, allegedly he's dead, but you can't 700 00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,799 Speaker 1: prove it right, you don't have a body, you don't 701 00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,640 Speaker 1: have a thing to show in the newspaper, like here 702 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:42,319 Speaker 1: is Hitler's dead body. The evil is defeated. It's the 703 00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,200 Speaker 1: same thing with Osama bin Lawton. That's I mean, it's 704 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,840 Speaker 1: why when you have that boogeyman, the only way to 705 00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,040 Speaker 1: get closure is to know for certain that he, you 706 00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,080 Speaker 1: know it, is dead. Well, it's it's sort of a 707 00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,360 Speaker 1: fascination maybe obsession we have with that kind of closure 708 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,880 Speaker 1: where you know, so many people really depend on a 709 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,480 Speaker 1: funeral where there's a body and a casket that you 710 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:07,680 Speaker 1: can say that was my people, and now it's he's gone, 711 00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,440 Speaker 1: and we, you know, do a thing and say goodbye. Honestly, 712 00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,840 Speaker 1: it's like the antithesis of that in a way, but 713 00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,520 Speaker 1: with that same lynch pin of like proof, like we 714 00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,799 Speaker 1: need to show everyone needs to assemble and see this, 715 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,759 Speaker 1: accept it, and then we can move on. If you 716 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,400 Speaker 1: don't have that, there are many that would maybe always 717 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,440 Speaker 1: look at what we're talking about, there's still a positive jecture. 718 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,600 Speaker 1: You know, speculation runs wild when you don't have that 719 00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,399 Speaker 1: kind of proof, and we see that all the time 720 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,560 Speaker 1: with the stories. We can Let's add another aspect here, 721 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:43,160 Speaker 1: which is a little bit disturbing from a psychological perspective, 722 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:47,200 Speaker 1: but I believe absolutely real and for the more crucial 723 00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:51,200 Speaker 1: to these considerations, and it is the following. So the 724 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:56,960 Speaker 1: official reasoning of the US government in the assassination of 725 00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,480 Speaker 1: Osama bin Laden and the burial at sea, to believe 726 00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,360 Speaker 1: is the phrasing they used was that they did not 727 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,960 Speaker 1: want a grave site because they did not want to 728 00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,960 Speaker 1: encourage martyrdom and they did not want to encourage you know, uh, 729 00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:16,120 Speaker 1: attacks or events around that. So would the reasoning be 730 00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:20,680 Speaker 1: that if there were a a grave for Hitler or 731 00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:24,560 Speaker 1: a known place of death, that this would become a 732 00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,800 Speaker 1: rallying point for people who shared those views, or even 733 00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:33,160 Speaker 1: a site of constant uh, what's the word defacements, you know, 734 00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:38,480 Speaker 1: a site of constant um vandalism or destruction by you know, 735 00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:42,800 Speaker 1: people that hated this man and that had real pain 736 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,520 Speaker 1: and suffering cause to their families in their life and 737 00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,759 Speaker 1: their family and generations for generations to continue to go 738 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,759 Speaker 1: back to that place as a you know, I don't know, 739 00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,840 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that people always are going to resort 740 00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,120 Speaker 1: to violence or lashing out, but that's a pretty big one, 741 00:48:56,280 --> 00:49:00,960 Speaker 1: you know, and and historically, uh, people will do resort 742 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,640 Speaker 1: to violence. No, I know, I know, I like to 743 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:05,839 Speaker 1: think the best of people, I guess, but I really 744 00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:11,279 Speaker 1: do agree that having a site like that could cause problems, 745 00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,759 Speaker 1: could even cause clashes between the current supporters of some 746 00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,080 Speaker 1: of that ideology and people whose lives and families were 747 00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,560 Speaker 1: torn apart by you know what he did? Where the 748 00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:26,799 Speaker 1: hell do you put it? You know, space? Antarcticum, that's 749 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,239 Speaker 1: a good place. An Arctica is so isolated, it's like 750 00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,800 Speaker 1: diet space. I'm sorry, I did it again, I said Antarctica, Arctica, 751 00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:39,880 Speaker 1: the Arctic. You know. Well, speaking of thinking the best 752 00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,359 Speaker 1: of people, we want to thank you for checking out 753 00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:47,279 Speaker 1: the show and we want to hear your opinions. How 754 00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:51,040 Speaker 1: familiar are you with this concept? I think a lot 755 00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:54,520 Speaker 1: of people are familiar with Hitler escape theories due to 756 00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,840 Speaker 1: U some of the search for Hitler shows that have 757 00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:02,719 Speaker 1: played on cable television. And what's your take? Is this 758 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,680 Speaker 1: something to ask some sand to it? If there is 759 00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:10,640 Speaker 1: something that the official narrative has misled the public on, 760 00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,720 Speaker 1: what is it and why did they do it? Because, 761 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,120 Speaker 1: as we've seen in the course of this show, there 762 00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:20,920 Speaker 1: are multiple opportunities. Again, I know I'm primarily hitting on 763 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,920 Speaker 1: Soviet intelligence here, but there are multiple times where the 764 00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:28,520 Speaker 1: story didn't add up, but not in a way that 765 00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:35,400 Speaker 1: conclusively proves or disproves rather the official narrative. So write 766 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,719 Speaker 1: to us, let us know your thoughts. And while we're 767 00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,120 Speaker 1: talking about the best part of the show, which is you, 768 00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:47,440 Speaker 1: that reminds me it's time for shout at corners. That's right, 769 00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,040 Speaker 1: it's shout out corner at the time, and every show 770 00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:54,600 Speaker 1: where we shout out to you are beloved listeners. The 771 00:50:54,640 --> 00:51:00,000 Speaker 1: first shout out today goes to Noir Guitar Super on Instagram. 772 00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,000 Speaker 1: Uh Nore Guitar Super says, I'd love a shout out 773 00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:06,839 Speaker 1: scooche cool, thank you. I don't know what. I just 774 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,680 Speaker 1: said that randomly one day and it's just it's caught fire. 775 00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,239 Speaker 1: I totally stole it from Bob's Burgers too. I am 776 00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,960 Speaker 1: such a fraud. Um, so I'd love a shout out 777 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,520 Speaker 1: if possible. I shouldn't say that I didn't really on 778 00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:21,080 Speaker 1: the Bob's Burgers. It's schedooch. I made it an sh sounds, 779 00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,840 Speaker 1: so that's not exactly stealing it. Um. It was lifted 780 00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:30,799 Speaker 1: with good intentioned. It was inspired by yes um so 781 00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:35,040 Speaker 1: I'd love a shout out if possible topic suggestion from 782 00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,960 Speaker 1: No Air Guitar Super. Have you ever heard of that 783 00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,280 Speaker 1: Mexican drug dealer who practiced black magic, did all sorts 784 00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:45,360 Speaker 1: of wacky stuff, also a serial killer, Adolpho Constanzo. It 785 00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:50,359 Speaker 1: gets crazy from the word go emoji. Yeah. I put 786 00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:54,640 Speaker 1: emoji in parentheses because when I read the comment, I 787 00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:59,000 Speaker 1: wasn't sure which emoji he meant, so I just wrote 788 00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,680 Speaker 1: emoji and for a disease that was my bad. Well, 789 00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:06,399 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna insert a unicorn. Fantastic uh And that's 790 00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:10,680 Speaker 1: a That's a great topic idea more Guitar Super because 791 00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,480 Speaker 1: Adolphin Constanzo is someone that we had looked at a 792 00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,440 Speaker 1: little bit in the past but never done a show on. 793 00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,360 Speaker 1: This is a Cuban American serial killer, drug dealer, and 794 00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:24,560 Speaker 1: cult leader of a gang called the Narcos Satanist or 795 00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:30,440 Speaker 1: Lost Narcos Satanicos Uh. His cult members nicknamed him El Padrino. 796 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,880 Speaker 1: What what he did was he was participating in in 797 00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,880 Speaker 1: the narco trade, but he began to believe that these 798 00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:42,560 Speaker 1: magic spells that he was practicing, many of which he 799 00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:47,200 Speaker 1: he lifted and and sort of twisted from belief system 800 00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:51,439 Speaker 1: called Polo Maombe were responsible for the success of these 801 00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:56,000 Speaker 1: cartels that he worked with, and he started killing people. 802 00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:59,399 Speaker 1: He had beef with some of the cartels when he said, 803 00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,960 Speaker 1: you know, you all your success to my dark magic 804 00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,279 Speaker 1: and they said, now you know, hey, man like we 805 00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,480 Speaker 1: like cocaine too, but being kind of crazy. Uh. And 806 00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:13,839 Speaker 1: then seven members of this powerful cartel h disappeared and 807 00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,920 Speaker 1: they turned up with body parts missing. Come to find 808 00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,759 Speaker 1: this guy would put body parts in a cauldron and 809 00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:25,239 Speaker 1: participate in cannibalistic black magic. I would love to look 810 00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:29,000 Speaker 1: into this guy further in a future episode. And by 811 00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,960 Speaker 1: the way, now our guitar super while you're waiting, if 812 00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,400 Speaker 1: you haven't done it yet, check out our episode on 813 00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:39,600 Speaker 1: Narco Saints and check out our interview with Bob Maser 814 00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:45,160 Speaker 1: of the infiltrator Um. The film with Brian Cranston was 815 00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:48,640 Speaker 1: based on this guy, Bob Maser, who was an undercover 816 00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:54,040 Speaker 1: operative UM and he basically infiltrated the Narco trade that 817 00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,360 Speaker 1: we were talking about. And there's some really interesting stories 818 00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,320 Speaker 1: about Santa Ria and about encounters with some of these 819 00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,560 Speaker 1: type of folks. So that's another another that's a really 820 00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:06,440 Speaker 1: good call. Thank you super Guitar for an extremely disturbing 821 00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,439 Speaker 1: topic that I look forward to looking into. The next 822 00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:13,439 Speaker 1: one comes from Clayton. Clayton says, Hello, guys. I found 823 00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,280 Speaker 1: it amusing that when I started playing the latest episode 824 00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:20,120 Speaker 1: of a podcast about conspiracies and I found it begin 825 00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,879 Speaker 1: with an ad for a store opening near me? Do 826 00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:29,200 Speaker 1: they know? Have they found me? Are they near? Who 827 00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,960 Speaker 1: are they? I just thought it was funny given the 828 00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,000 Speaker 1: premise of the show. Well, we think it's funny too, 829 00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,000 Speaker 1: and that's why we were doing it. We think it's hilarious. 830 00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,720 Speaker 1: We're just playing a joke on you. They're not real ads, 831 00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:44,120 Speaker 1: don't even worry about it. We're just they're little easter 832 00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:47,120 Speaker 1: eggs that we hope you find, Clayton, And there's one 833 00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,440 Speaker 1: in this too, so I hope you noticed. I have 834 00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,719 Speaker 1: a little topic suggestion that I'd like to throw in, 835 00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:54,839 Speaker 1: just thinking about some of the stuff we just talked 836 00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,520 Speaker 1: about Jim Jones. Have we done anything on Jim Jones. 837 00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,800 Speaker 1: We've done video, done video, but we should do a podcast. 838 00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,600 Speaker 1: Because there's a new book that just came out written 839 00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:11,000 Speaker 1: by the Peabody Award winning author Jeff Gwynn called Jim 840 00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,080 Speaker 1: Jones The Road to Jonestown. That's not actually called Jim 841 00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,279 Speaker 1: Jones the Road, just called the Road to Jonestown. But 842 00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,920 Speaker 1: he did a fabulous interview on NPR with Terry Gross 843 00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:23,160 Speaker 1: the other week, and there's actually audio tape of the 844 00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,440 Speaker 1: you know, drinking the kool A the flavor ad. I 845 00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:29,279 Speaker 1: guess it was. Yeah, yeah, that was some pretty uh, 846 00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,640 Speaker 1: pretty blood curdling stuff. But there's a lot of stuff 847 00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:34,360 Speaker 1: I didn't know about him in his history, and I 848 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,799 Speaker 1: think it might be worth exploring, And like the fact 849 00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,440 Speaker 1: that some of his early work was very humanitarian for 850 00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:42,239 Speaker 1: lack of a better term, and much more in the 851 00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,200 Speaker 1: social justice kind of vain and only after he sort 852 00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,680 Speaker 1: of went down his own rabbit hole and drank his 853 00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:51,560 Speaker 1: own kool aid and intelligence exactly. That's true too, But 854 00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:52,960 Speaker 1: I think I don't know, i'd like to do that. 855 00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,440 Speaker 1: That's just that's a personal shout out to to myself. 856 00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:57,600 Speaker 1: I can't check right now if we've done an audio 857 00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:00,440 Speaker 1: podcast on it, but I'm pretty sure we did early 858 00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,880 Speaker 1: early on. We may have. We may have that The 859 00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:10,480 Speaker 1: relationship between intelligence communities and religious leaders is endlessly fascinating. 860 00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:13,400 Speaker 1: I actually lost sleep earlier this week when I was 861 00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,840 Speaker 1: reading back again on mary not Maryland. Man, it's a 862 00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:21,400 Speaker 1: different guy, Charles Manson and uh Paul Crockett, the scientologist 863 00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:26,359 Speaker 1: miner who saved Tex Watson. So we've got one more 864 00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,480 Speaker 1: shout out here, and it comes to us from from 865 00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,879 Speaker 1: Tyler via email. Tyler says, hey, y'all, big fans, show 866 00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,200 Speaker 1: you help me get through many a long drive. Had 867 00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,719 Speaker 1: a couple of show ideas. First, after this election, all 868 00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,400 Speaker 1: the accusations voting fraud, I'd love to hear about the 869 00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:44,120 Speaker 1: history of rigged elections. When was the first recorded fixed vote? 870 00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,560 Speaker 1: When was the last fixed vote? Maybe some famous rigged elections. 871 00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,080 Speaker 1: We can definitely look at the third one, Tyler, finding 872 00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:53,440 Speaker 1: the first one's gonna be tough. Well, some people might 873 00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:57,000 Speaker 1: also say, show us an example of a non rigged election. Also, 874 00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,279 Speaker 1: I think that an episode about the d s M, 875 00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,120 Speaker 1: says ty would be fascinating. Its history is a tool 876 00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,560 Speaker 1: for social control. The inherent prejudice and the influence of 877 00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,160 Speaker 1: big pharm on diagnoses make this a topic. I think 878 00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:11,200 Speaker 1: you guys love Thanks, stay awesome, And he sent us 879 00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,600 Speaker 1: a follow up message he said, just realized that I 880 00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,320 Speaker 1: forgot to say. I'm a mental health professional who has 881 00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,880 Speaker 1: worked in the field for more than fifteen years, and 882 00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:22,080 Speaker 1: I teach mental health diagnostics in a local graduate school. 883 00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,680 Speaker 1: So my love hate relationship with the d s M 884 00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:26,919 Speaker 1: is not just a flash in the pan. If you'd 885 00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:30,360 Speaker 1: like to contact me, just respond to this email. Perhaps 886 00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,440 Speaker 1: we could chat on the phone. Yes, I just listened 887 00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:39,680 Speaker 1: to that episode, so thank you so much to Tyler 888 00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:47,520 Speaker 1: Noir Guitar super Clayton, and to you Mr brown Man Chucks. 889 00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:53,439 Speaker 1: I think it's I think these are all fantastic ideas done. 890 00:57:55,600 --> 00:58:04,080 Speaker 1: He is self skaed douche. And this concludes, but not 891 00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,600 Speaker 1: the end of our show. Matt Noel and I are 892 00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:11,640 Speaker 1: going to be returning next week, and stay tuned because 893 00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,680 Speaker 1: we have some big news on the way to you. 894 00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,520 Speaker 1: In the meantime, if you'd like to check out some 895 00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:20,120 Speaker 1: of the stories that, for one reason or another haven't 896 00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:23,160 Speaker 1: made it to air yet, find us on Facebook and Twitter, 897 00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:26,200 Speaker 1: where we are conspiracy stuff. If you'd like to see 898 00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,280 Speaker 1: various images that we think are worth looking at, you 899 00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:33,120 Speaker 1: can also find us on Instagram. And if you don't 900 00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:34,880 Speaker 1: care about any of that stuff and you just want 901 00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,080 Speaker 1: to reach out the old fashioned way. You can type 902 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,400 Speaker 1: a little old email and shoot that thing off into 903 00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:44,520 Speaker 1: the internet rabbit hole to conspiracy at how stuff works 904 00:58:44,640 --> 00:59:06,320 Speaker 1: dot com.