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Speaker 1: Welcome everybody. Tuesday edition off the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show kicks off right now thanks to the guy

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Speaker 1: who high five to me on the way out of

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Speaker 1: the gym today. Clay says he listens every day, loves

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Speaker 1: the show. I wish I could have stayed longer, but

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Speaker 1: it was a close one had to run home, but

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Speaker 1: I got here and we have a lot to get

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Speaker 1: into today. President Trump announcing eighty thousand documents on the

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Speaker 1: assassination of JFT will be released, and he has asked

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Speaker 1: that the files not be redacted. I can't imagine how

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Speaker 1: there would be any justification to continue a redaction at

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Speaker 1: this point, but we shall see what is released. Eighty

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Speaker 1: remember eighty thousand pages. So anybody who within minutes of

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Speaker 1: this thing of the document drop says I know who

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Speaker 1: killed JFK. Just grain of salt, like, let's see what's

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Speaker 1: actually in this thing. I know. I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: take out my wampwomp button quite yet on it. We'll see,

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Speaker 1: but I am in wait and see mode for sure.

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Speaker 1: President Trump has announced that Hunter and Ashley Biden will

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Speaker 1: no longer have Secret Service protection. They had Clay eighteen

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Speaker 1: and thirteen agents. Assignments are crazy, respectively. Hunter Biden had

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Speaker 1: eighteen Secret Service agents. Eighteen Secret Service agents. Like this

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Speaker 1: is outrageous, outrageous. I mean this, you know, if you're

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Speaker 1: the president. The way they usually do this is they

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Speaker 1: start to fade it out. I mean presidents, I guess

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Speaker 1: former presidents. I think once you get past two terms,

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Speaker 1: you really don't need a Secret Service detail anymore. I'm

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a maybe a radical on this

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Speaker 1: whole thing. I think people just need to like get

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Speaker 1: a grip. It's okay. You know, no one cares that

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Speaker 1: you were president three presidents ago that much. You know,

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Speaker 1: like don't don't go to Moscow on vacation and you'll

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Speaker 1: be fine. So anyway I find this, I think we've

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Speaker 1: gotten way too much of a praetorian rialse. It was

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Speaker 1: eighteen That is crazy. I mean that that is this

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Speaker 1: guy was traveling with a platoon of Secret Service agents

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Speaker 1: in case what I mean, think about and think about

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Speaker 1: what they probably saw too. Don't even get me started.

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Speaker 2: Also, to your point, it's not I mean he lived

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Speaker 2: in Malibu. I mean, do we think that he was

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Speaker 2: in perpetual danger from all of the super libs in Malibu,

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Speaker 2: like that they were going to.

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Speaker 1: Do something to him. No, this is this is just

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Speaker 1: so that you can have a you can have a

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Speaker 1: taxpayer funded chauffeur and and security. And you know, I

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Speaker 1: want to know what all these guys are doing all

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Speaker 1: the time. It's the whole thing is completely outrageous. And

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Speaker 1: and this this thing, you know, we allow presidents to

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Speaker 1: determine really what the presidents get, and these guys have

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Speaker 1: way too much. It's it's it's crazy. The former presidents,

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Speaker 1: some of them have just I think, like Nixon said,

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Speaker 1: I don't even really I want to get my own

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't want I mean, I doesn't feel to me

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Speaker 2: like it would be very much fun to have have

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Speaker 2: security with you. I mean, we've had to have security

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Speaker 2: for some events. Obviously, when somebody wanted to kill me,

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Speaker 2: we had security. So we have security off and on.

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Speaker 2: I'm not knocking the idea, but it isn't A eighteen

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Speaker 2: agents is for someone who has ever had security is

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Speaker 2: a absolutely insane number. And I remember, if I recall,

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Speaker 2: maybe we'll talk to Miranda Devine about this tomorrow, because

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Speaker 2: she really kind of broke this story on the New

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Speaker 2: York Post. But Buck, it also was the case that

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Speaker 2: I believe that Secret Service was renting a high end

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Speaker 2: mansion next door to him to use as the base

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Speaker 2: to be able to protect Hunter when he was living

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Speaker 2: in the Sugar Daddy's house in Malibu.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole thing is outrageous. Man, This is completely unjustifiable,

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Speaker 1: and I think that it's the right move. Look, presidents,

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Speaker 1: you know, they need to be protected, especially this president,

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Speaker 1: need to be protected with whatever is required. But you know,

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Speaker 1: if you were just the most recent president, Okay, but

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Speaker 1: your family, Ashley Biden, give me, give me a break,

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Speaker 1: all right. You know you got to live with a

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Speaker 1: certain degree of just life is uncertain. I'm sorry, Like,

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Speaker 1: you can't go around twenty Secret Service agents the rest

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Speaker 1: of my life, please, all right. So anyway, that's something

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Speaker 1: we can talk a little more about. Cease fire between

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Speaker 1: Israel and hamas is over Israeli jets have been striking Gaza,

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Speaker 1: they're not waiting for hostages anymore. Enough is enough that

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Speaker 1: what's going on right now? Why don't we jump into

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Speaker 1: has been on the phone this morning with Vladimir Putin,

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Speaker 1: and remember Klay last week, the conversation was, Oh, it's

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Speaker 1: downplaying that Trump was even likely or is even possible

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Speaker 1: he could get any kind of a breakthrough if this results,

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Speaker 1: If this call results in a ceasefire, and we should

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Speaker 1: know pretty imminently. I think if at least a ceasefire

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, the ceasefire in general is now ended in

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Speaker 2: the Middle East, right, so ceasefires are not perpetual, never

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Speaker 2: ending ceasefire realities. But I do feel like if they

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Speaker 2: you agree with this, at least during Trump's remaining term

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Speaker 2: in office, Vladimir Putin will not invade Ukraine anymore. Do

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Speaker 2: you feel good about that, like if you had to

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Speaker 2: predict based on what we saw in the first turn

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Speaker 2: when he didn't invade, and whatever you feel about this,

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Speaker 2: I do believe that Trump and Putin have a somewhat

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Speaker 2: decent relationship that actually is brought together by the total

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Speaker 2: why that Russia won Trump the twenty sixteen election. Trump

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Speaker 2: knows that's not true, Putin knows that's not true. We

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Speaker 2: and by the way, the United States, I'm curious if

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Speaker 2: you would agree with this, Buck probably spends more money

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Speaker 2: trying to influence foreign elections than any country in the world.

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Speaker 2: So the idea that we're gonna be like grabbing our

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Speaker 2: pearls and falling on to a fainting couch that other

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Speaker 2: countries would in some way seek favor in our own

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Speaker 2: they didn't have any massive impact. The whole Russia collusion

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Speaker 2: story was a lie. The money that Russia spent on

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Speaker 2: Facebook ads was a pinprick of what was spent, like

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Speaker 1: Hardly anyone saw them. They were poorly designed.

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Speaker 2: My point on this is, I think the Trump Putin

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Speaker 1: Am I crazy in your mind?

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Speaker 2: As a former CIA analyst put your CIA analyst hat

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Speaker 1: I think you have to add to that that these

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Speaker 1: but it's respect, you know. I'm not sure they like

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Speaker 1: two guys who, like I said, they're historic, they are

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Speaker 1: that Putin knows that making Trump look silly is a

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Speaker 1: that was not true in the same way obviously under

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Speaker 1: think that you know, they'll be there'll be some negotiating

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Speaker 1: that happens here. This is not going to be everyone

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Speaker 1: comes out of this phone call today high fiving and

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Speaker 1: the war is over, and you know Russian, Russian and

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Speaker 1: But I think that you might get to, you know,

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Speaker 1: a couple of points have to be agreed to, and

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Speaker 1: then there'll be a ceasefire for thirty days and then

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Speaker 1: we'll see and the ceasefire is going to be a

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Speaker 1: rolling process. Look, the same thing has been true with

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Speaker 1: this is what we expect, and Hamas, because it's a

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Speaker 1: so then fighting resumes. You may see something similar with

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Speaker 1: and then ten days into it, Vladimir Putin is pulling

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Speaker 1: there will be consequences when Trump is the commander in chief, financial,

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Speaker 1: maybe diplomatic, maybe maybe other stuff. But Trump's not going

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Speaker 1: to allow that to go unpunished. Yeah, you're I think

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Speaker 2: And look, I am just genuinely curious how the media

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Speaker 2: will cover it. I saw I was reading over the weekend.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw it. They do this

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Speaker 2: they and they make their usual jokes. And your boy,

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Speaker 2: Governor Wes Moore of Maryland got up and made all

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Speaker 2: But I would almost guarantee for you that whatever the

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Speaker 2: that it will somehow be used as evidence that Trump

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Speaker 2: is the Manchurian candidate for Vladimir Putin. And I say

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Speaker 2: that because they don't seem to be able to come

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Speaker 2: up with any other new lines of attack. Is that

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Speaker 2: kind of interesting? Like Trump is in awe right now?

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Speaker 2: And leave aside the fact that the Democrat Party has

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Speaker 2: lit itself on fire. Lowest approval ratings going all the

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Speaker 1: With any new lines of attack.

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Speaker 2: They tried the oh it's president elon and everybody was like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's not really working right because you told us he's

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Speaker 2: a dictator. So is he a dictator or is he

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Speaker 2: actually just the stooge of someone else? Like they're actually

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Speaker 2: mixing messages. They can't even figure out what their.

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Speaker 1: Attack angle is on Trump right now. It is deep

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Speaker 1: in the recesses of the Democrat mind right now. But

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Speaker 1: I really do believe that there is a widespread quiet

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Speaker 1: panic that they will never address and they will never accept,

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Speaker 1: But it's in the back of their minds. And it's saying,

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Speaker 1: maybe you were just wrong about this top to bottom.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you were just wrong about this guy in every respect,

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Speaker 1: and he's actually going to be great for the country,

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Speaker 1: and you did everything possible to ruin and destroy him,

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Speaker 1: price of eggs is already coming down? Clay, Remember when

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Speaker 2: I'm literally looking right now from our friend Libs of

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Speaker 2: You're going to hear the words in our Constitution debated

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. Occasionally you

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Speaker 1: Oh okay. Stephen Miller had an exchange with one of

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Speaker 1: But Stephen Miller was taking no prisoners on this one.

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Speaker 4: He violated the we have in this country. Because that

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Speaker 4: Do these district court judges didn't issue any injunctions to

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Speaker 1: That's that what you're saying.

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Speaker 4: What I'm saying is that what you said, there's a

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Speaker 5: You're here to speak. I will answer that one simple question.

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Speaker 4: Ready, here we go. Under a proper reading of the constitution,

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Speaker 4: I asked you a question you never answered it. Can

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Speaker 4: not going to get into the Just say no, and

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Speaker 1: D I like that. I'm gonna steal that. And for

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Speaker 2: I get into an argument with my wife I don't

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Speaker 2: But it's phenomenal television, Buck. I mean, that was just

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're trying to bail her out. And this also, though,

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Speaker 1: I think, goes to what the administration learned from the

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Speaker 1: first term to this term, and that is the process

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Speaker 1: is the punishment. Delay is the game, and they can't

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Speaker 1: allow that to happen. A big part of people will

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Speaker 1: say this and they don't like when I point this out,

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Speaker 1: but then they always admit that I'm right. Like I'll

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Speaker 1: hear people on the right of vote for Trump say, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, Russia collusion. It didn't work. I mean, it

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Speaker 1: didn't get all the way, but it certainly slowed down

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Speaker 1: and jammed up and messed up the administration in twenty

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Speaker 1: seventeen to have to deal with all the nonsense and

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Speaker 1: the media and the lawyers and the depositions and everything else.

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Speaker 1: Here's Stephen Miller saying, we see what we see the

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Speaker 1: game here. If every person that Trump is going to

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Speaker 1: deport who is an illegal gets a federal judge saying no,

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Speaker 1: you can't do that. You know this, then the whole

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Speaker 1: thing just collapses. Is cut to play it?

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Speaker 4: How are you going to expel illegal alien invaders from

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Speaker 4: our country who are raping little girls, who are murdering

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Speaker 4: little girls. If each and every deportation has to be

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Speaker 4: adjudicated and a district court judge, and that means you

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Speaker 4: have no country. It means you have no sovereignty, It

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Speaker 4: means you have no future. It is fundamentally incompatible to

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Speaker 4: have a country and have individual expulsions adjudicated by a

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Speaker 4: single distract court judge.

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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to figure out the system, do you,

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Speaker 1: Because what does the Trump administration believe, because we do

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Speaker 1: have separation of powers in this country.

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Speaker 4: I hear what you're saying, Yes, poweriary, you're fearing Stevens.

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Speaker 4: Let the executive function is the separation of power. That

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Speaker 4: is the see to ignore the judge's order here because

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Speaker 4: you thought you could. So the judges and the actions

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Speaker 4: taken by the Departments of the Defense, Justice, and Homeland

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Speaker 4: Security are not in conflict. And the department just has

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Speaker 4: been clear that they are not in conflict.

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Speaker 1: See. The whole thing here with the CNN anger to

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Speaker 1: be clear is they want the administration to say, well,

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Speaker 1: they're just ignoring judges, and then that becomes oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: you know, constitutional crisis and all the rest of it.

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Speaker 1: But in reality, the judge's order was insane. Okay, yes, plane,

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Speaker 1: plane in flight, turn the plane around. As Steven he

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Speaker 1: even went in up to point this out. He's like,

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Speaker 1: do they know what route the plane is on? This

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Speaker 1: is a national security issue. It's got a bunch of

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Speaker 1: trend to Aragua terrorists on it. You're just going to

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Speaker 1: change the route? Do you know? You know who's meeting

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Speaker 1: the plane on the other side? What you know. The

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Speaker 1: whole thing it is, it is insane that this judge

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Speaker 1: did this. But if you go and you look at him,

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Speaker 1: he's got a super anti Trump, lunatic wife. He was

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Speaker 1: involved with the Russia collusion fives and nonsense. He's an

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Speaker 1: anti Trump hashtag resistant psycho. It's like a member of

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Speaker 1: what's that group, the the Lincoln Project or whatever it

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Speaker 1: is that the Lincoln Project has a judge and it's

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Speaker 1: this guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, this is the angle. I told you

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Speaker 2: that this is the angle they're gonna try to take yesterday.

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Speaker 2: They're very clearly going to try to avoid arguing against

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Speaker 2: what Trump did in terms of the deportation, and instead,

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Speaker 2: buck they're going to argue he's a dictator. He's defying

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: They're not going to talk about whether the court order

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Speaker 2: was legitimate. They're not going to talk about what the

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Speaker 2: court order actually did or would have required, which is

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Speaker 2: bringing felons back into the country. They're going to talk

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Speaker 2: about the fact that he defied an order. And I'll

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Speaker 2: tell you what they're also going to do. And we

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Speaker 2: told you this was coming, but prepare yourself. Trump is

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Speaker 2: not going to be flawless on the deportations. I'm just

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Speaker 2: telling all of you this, He's not going to be flawless.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna get the wrong guy. They're gonna it's it's

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Speaker 2: impossible to be one hundred percent accurate. And what they're

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Speaker 2: going to do is they're going to find that anecdote,

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Speaker 2: that guy who was misidentified, and they're going to turn

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Speaker 2: him into a national symbol of Trump's authoritarianism. And this

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Speaker 2: is why anecdotal stories buck are often unfair because the

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Speaker 2: anecdote should be representative of the larger story.

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Speaker 1: People connect on a story basis.

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Speaker 2: When an anecdote is the outlier, which is what happened

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Speaker 2: with BLM, most people will have great relationships and interactions

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Speaker 2: with police. One thing goes bad, and this is indicative

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Speaker 2: of how every black person in America is taught, is treated,

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Speaker 2: and so it's fundamentally unfair.

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Speaker 1: It's propaganda. This is what they're trying to do right now.

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Speaker 1: This Mackmood Khalil guy. What you're saying is what they're

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Speaker 1: trying to do right now now. Machmood Khalil is for

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Speaker 1: a lot of us not sympathetic at all. So that's

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Speaker 1: the only difference. But they've tried to rally around this

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Speaker 1: guy and say that he is the first example of

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Speaker 1: Trump's overreach and authoritarianism and all the rest of it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, try try not to have some pro homast

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Speaker 1: you hating miniac as your as your standard bearer, and

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Speaker 1: things will probably be better off for the Democrats. But

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Speaker 1: we'll see, once again with Trenda Raguwall, you have Democrats

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Speaker 1: going to the mat to defend really the worst of

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Speaker 1: the worst, the worst of the worst. And that's the

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Speaker 1: other part of this too, Clay, Like, we're arguing about

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Speaker 1: this on the on the legal grounds and the constitutional grounds.

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Speaker 1: For a lot of people, it's just you know, I

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Speaker 1: just don't want these these scumbag gang members who aren't

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Speaker 1: even allowed to be in the country in the first place,

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Speaker 1: to be here anymore. And whoever gets rid of them,

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Speaker 1: I like that, get them out of the country. You know,

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Speaker 1: Trump understands that aspect of this too. There's no there's

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Speaker 1: no normal person who's like, you know what, we really

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Speaker 1: he's forcing them to uh to to take some very

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Speaker 3: Patriots Radio hosts a couple of regular guys, Clay Travis

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Speaker 3: and Buck Sex to them. Find them on the Free

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: A report on what Trump and Putin spoke about is

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Speaker 2: now out. I'm reading this from Caroline Levitt, who posted

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Speaker 2: this on social media. Today, President Trump and President Putin

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Speaker 2: spoke about the need for peace and a ceasefire in

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Speaker 2: the Ukraine War. Both leaders agreed this conflict needs to

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Speaker 2: end with a lasting peace. They also stress the need

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Speaker 2: for improved bilateral relations between the United States and Russia.

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Speaker 2: The blood and treasure that both Ukraine and Russia have

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Speaker 2: been spending in this war, would we better spent on

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Speaker 2: the needs of their people. Conflicts should have never started

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Speaker 2: and should have ended long ago with sincere and good

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Speaker 2: faith piece efforts. Again, I'm reading from the statement, the

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Speaker 2: leaders agreed the movement to peace will begin with an

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Speaker 2: energy and an infrastructure cease fire, as well as technical

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Speaker 2: negotiations on implementation of a maritime ceasefire in the Black Sea,

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Speaker 2: full cease fire and permanent peace. These negotiations will begin immediately.

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Speaker 2: In the Middle East, the leader spoke broadly about the

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Speaker 2: Middle East as a region of potential cooperation to prevent

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Speaker 2: future conflict. They further discussed the need to stop proliferation

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Speaker 2: of strategic weapons and will engage with others to ensure

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Speaker 2: the broadest possible application. The two leaders shared the view

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Speaker 2: Iran should never be in a position to destroy Israel,

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Speaker 2: and the two leaders agreed a future with an improved

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Speaker 2: bilateral relationship between the US and Russia has huge upside,

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Speaker 2: including enormous economic deals and geopolitical stability when peace has

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Speaker 2: been achieved. That is the statement that was just released.

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Speaker 2: On the call between Putin and Trump. Up a little

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Speaker 2: bit earlier, we were talking about when was the last

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Speaker 2: time Biden talked. Biden had not spoken to Putin since

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Speaker 2: the invasion of Ukraine. He did speak to him in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. Just to FYI. We were asking. I

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Speaker 2: was whether they had spoken while Biden was in office.

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Speaker 2: It happened in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: Buck.

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Speaker 2: I think all of that is moving in a very

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Speaker 2: favorable direction. I guess the question out here and again

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Speaker 2: that is the statement we just released that was just

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Speaker 2: released by the White House. If Trump is able to

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Speaker 2: actually get peace in Ukraine, wouldn't he deserve the Nobel

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Speaker 2: Peace Prize? Like in an honest, legitimate world. Wouldn't this

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Speaker 2: be the very definition of what a mediator and or

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Speaker 2: leader who was not directly involved in the conflict should

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Speaker 1: Yes, of course, But the Nobel Peace Prize has gone

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Speaker 1: to Barack ob for doing nothing. I think Yaser Erafat

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Speaker 1: got it at one point. You look at the people

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Speaker 1: become a a bit of a political joke in a

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Speaker 1: lot of ways. So I know your point is well taken,

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Speaker 1: which is that this would be a momentous, momentous diplomatic

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Speaker 1: win and not just a win for humanity. I mean truly,

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Speaker 1: when I don't know how many of you have watched,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of video out there about what's going

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Speaker 1: on on the Ukraine Russia front and what these soldiers

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Speaker 1: are going through. It is trench warfare. They have drones

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Speaker 1: that are flying in at them and blowing people up.

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Speaker 1: Every day, They've got artillery rounds blowing up all around.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's you've got guys that are storming trenches

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Speaker 1: and you know, machine gunning each other at close range.

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Speaker 1: Like it's horrible stuff that's happening day in and day

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Speaker 1: out over there. And bringing this to an end, it

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Speaker 1: would be such a win. And it's very frustrating, is

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Speaker 1: even the right word. It's grotesque when you see these

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Speaker 1: people that are saying, but Trump is just throwing in

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Speaker 1: the towel. What are these people think is going to happen?

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Speaker 1: You know, at some point it feels like the Slava

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Speaker 1: Ukrainian people really just feel like if they string this

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Speaker 1: thing out long enough, maybe we'll have American sent over

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Speaker 1: there to do the fighting for them, which is an

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Speaker 1: absolute red line for you, for me, and I know

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Speaker 1: for everybody listening. I mean, that's just completely beyond the pale.

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Speaker 1: We should not lose a single American life, a single

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Speaker 1: American finger fighting over who's in control of the eastern

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Speaker 1: portion of Ukraine. And in the meantime, there's nothing to

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Speaker 1: be gained in the long run for Ukraine continuing to

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Speaker 1: fight and lose its entire able bodied male population, when

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Speaker 1: that is functioning, a country that has a homeland for

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Speaker 1: the Ukrainian people, and wouldn't be in the midst of

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Speaker 1: it a horrible and bloody war. Like I said, Clay,

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Speaker 1: it used to be that the Democrats were supposedly the

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Speaker 1: peace party. They were really the undermine America during time

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Speaker 1: of war party. That's actually more accurate, but they would

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Speaker 1: at least go through the motions of pretending that they

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Speaker 1: didn't want, you know, don't go after Saddam in the

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Speaker 1: first war, don't go after Saddam in the second ward.

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Speaker 1: Don't you know? They were the ones that were saying

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Speaker 1: we and maybe they're right about the second one, but

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Speaker 1: we shouldn't be fighting these wars, except when it comes

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Speaker 1: to wars like this where there's some humanitarian interest and

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Speaker 1: no real American interest at stake. So I think that

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Speaker 1: if Trump was able to pull this off, it's a

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Speaker 1: huge win all around. And again it brings us back

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Speaker 1: to yes, Trump out there negotiating to end wars and

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Speaker 1: stop bloodshed, just like Hitler would have done. I would

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Speaker 1: also point out, if we could get a ceasefire, the

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Speaker 1: price of gas would drop immediately in a significant fashion.

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Speaker 1: Trump sees that he knows all this stuff with Russia

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Speaker 1: has hurt us economically, probably in the West, more than

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Speaker 1: it's hurt Russia. Russia doesn't really care.

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Speaker 2: And even the opening backup of the Black Sea would

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Speaker 2: dramatically decrease prices for a variety of goods, including is am.

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Speaker 2: I correct that Ukraine is one of the largest wheat

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Speaker 2: producing countries in the world, and that you know, you know,

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Speaker 2: the amount of goods that the grain is used to

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Speaker 2: produce has also driven up the cost. And I've been

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Speaker 2: told that because of the shipping costs associated with the

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Speaker 2: dangers of the Black Sea. The other thing is Trump

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Speaker 2: has attacked the huties in the Red Sea area, right

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Speaker 2: that is also driven up the cost of goods being

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Speaker 2: shipped around the world. So while there is a great

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Speaker 2: focus on tariffs and what the impact of the cost

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Speaker 2: of goods could be for tariffs, I think in Trump's

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Speaker 2: internal calculation, he is seeing the ending of the wars

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Speaker 2: to the extent that we can keep them ended. And

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Speaker 2: I know they've reignited right now in the Middle East,

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Speaker 2: But if you could end the war in Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: This summer. I think you would see a massive deflationary

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Speaker 1: movement on a variety of the price of goods, in

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Speaker 1: particular oil and gas. You know, there is there is

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Speaker 1: a historical mirror image here perhaps, or there's echoes of

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Speaker 1: when Reagan came into office. Vulkar had to tighten things,

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Speaker 1: tighten things at a level that way beyond what we've

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Speaker 1: seen so far in terms of how high rates had

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Speaker 1: to go. And yeah, I mean there was essentially a recession.

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Speaker 1: Reagan more or less inherited that recession, but you had

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Speaker 1: to you had to get the you know, you had

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Speaker 1: to clear the system out, you had to get things

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Speaker 1: under control, and there was a little bit of economic

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Speaker 1: pain that the country had to go through early on,

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Speaker 1: and then one years of boom and prosperity afterwards. Right, So,

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Speaker 1: if this is a Reagan moment for Trump on the economy,

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Speaker 1: and I think there are a lot of reasons to

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Speaker 1: believe that it could be and that it will be.

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Speaker 1: The historical analogy here is very favorable. But it might

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Speaker 1: take a year, eighteen months something like that for things

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Speaker 1: to really get cooking the way they would like them to.

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Speaker 1: You cannot fix a problem that others refuse to fix

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Speaker 1: and expect that there's not going to be some discomfort

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Speaker 1: along the way, because why wouldn't they fix it if

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Speaker 1: that wasn't the case.

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Speaker 2: This is, though, a very good sign. I think it's

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Speaker 2: hard to spin it as a bad sign. It'll be

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Speaker 2: interesting to see what the larger media ecosystem says about this. Remember,

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Speaker 2: Ukraine has effectively already agreed to a thirty day ceasefire,

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Speaker 2: and it sounds like Russia is willing to potentially get

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Speaker 2: involved as well.

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Speaker 1: Let's say, let's just go through a best case scenario

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Speaker 1: for those of us who are adults, and then I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you what the Libs will say and how they'll

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Speaker 1: play this. Right, Let's assume that this ceasefire goes forward,

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Speaker 1: and maybe it doesn't, and maybe, you know, maybe Trump

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Speaker 1: ends up having to drop the hammer on Putin with

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Speaker 1: a whole lot more economic warfare stuff, and that's all possible. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we don't know. We don't get ahead of ourselves here,

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Speaker 1: but if you're gonna wargain this out a little bit, uh,

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Speaker 1: Let's assume, Clay, that the ceasefire goes forward and it

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Speaker 1: is durable, and we go into at every phase of

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Speaker 1: the ceasefire. You know, you'll be hearing from Democrats Putin

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Speaker 1: got too much of what he wanted, and he could

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Speaker 1: break the ceasefire any moment. Putin got too much of

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Speaker 1: what he wanted, and he could break the ceasefire any

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Speaker 1: You're gonna hear that over and over for months and

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Speaker 1: months and months, so that by the time it's clear

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Speaker 1: that this conflict, if this happens, this conflict actually has

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Speaker 1: ceased to be the war, the meat grinder of humanity

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Speaker 1: that it has been. They're just hoping to play this

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Speaker 1: out so that nobody even realizes that Trump is well,

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Speaker 1: you know, if you extend this out and complain about

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Speaker 1: it the whole time, it denies him, at some level

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Speaker 1: the victory, the political victory at least to some that

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Speaker 1: he would be winning by ending this thing. You see

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Speaker 1: what I mean. They complain, They say, we don't know yet,

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Speaker 1: we don't know yet, and they keep doing that until

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Speaker 1: eventually when it's clear, oh no, Trump actually pulled off

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Speaker 1: something of a diplomatic miracle here, people will have moved

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Speaker 1: on to other things that I think that's how they

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Speaker 1: play it because they're never going to say, wow, he's

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Speaker 1: a brilliant statesman, and he saved thousands and thousands of

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Speaker 2: It is a really good sign that they are talking.

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Speaker 2: I think again, we read you the read out on

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Speaker 2: the report. I am cautiously optimistic. I like to be

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Speaker 2: able to look at polymarket. It has now buck the

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Speaker 2: chances of a ceasefire by May one at sixty percent.

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Speaker 2: You know, you can go take either side on this

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Speaker 2: on this prediction market, right, It's kind of interesting to

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Speaker 2: look at, but that is a small favorite that we

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Speaker 2: may have a ceasefire in Ukraine by May one. The

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Speaker 2: other reason, the timing matters on this a lot buck,

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Speaker 2: and I do think it's worth, you know, reinforcing this

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Speaker 2: on a regular basis. Typically as it gets warm in Ukraine,

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Speaker 2: the armies are better able to move and the overall

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Speaker 2: fatality rates increase. It's still the midst of winter over

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Speaker 2: there right now, but moving the fighting scenes essentially the

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Speaker 2: same thing was true in Afghanistan when when the mountain

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Speaker 2: passes melt down and it's easier to you know, to

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Speaker 2: move around, you get more fighting and more shooting. So

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Speaker 2: hopefully if there is a ceasefire, they could get a

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Speaker 2: ceasefire in place by the time it starts to warm

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Speaker 2: up there, so that we can limit the overall amount

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Speaker 2: of death that might be occurring. And again to your point, yes,

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Speaker 2: very hilarian of Trump to try to end the largest

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Speaker 2: war in Europe since World War Two. It's exactly what

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Speaker 2: Hitler would have done if he had been in a

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Speaker 2: position of prominence in America. And obviously we're ridiculing the

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Speaker 1: the end of the ceasefire in Israel and the new

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Speaker 1: posture or the renewed posture perhaps toward Hamas. What do

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Speaker 5: Well, but great to join you in Thanks for the

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Speaker 5: book support. Look to me, the ball is clearly in

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Speaker 5: Benjamin ninten Yaho's court, Buck, I mean, Donald Trump is

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Speaker 5: all in for US as relations. He's used the rhetoric

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Speaker 5: of give them hell to pay. He's made it very

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Speaker 5: clear that he and his cabinet are going to stand

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Speaker 5: shoulder to shoulder with the Israeli governments when it comes

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Speaker 5: to diplomacy, when it comes to the military, when it

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Speaker 5: comes to trying to eradicate the entirety of the Hamas

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Speaker 5: political and military cancer from the Gaza's trip. So for

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Speaker 5: some weeks now, Buck, I've been saying, the ball is

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Speaker 5: in Nityahu's court. I mean, Biebe has basically lived his

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Speaker 5: entire adult life for moments just like this. He has

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Speaker 5: led his entire adult life to wait for the opportunity

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Speaker 5: to go in and do what needs to be done,

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Speaker 5: so to speak, whether it's in Gaza, whether it's in

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Speaker 5: or whether it's really the grand threat of all in

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Speaker 5: the region, which of course is the Islamus regime in Tehran.

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Speaker 5: So I'm not surprised that the ceasefire broke. Frankly, Hamas

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Speaker 5: only has itself to blame. I mean, with a medieval

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Speaker 5: Islamis death cult, they had any number of opportunities to

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Speaker 5: avoid this outcome. They completely brought this upon themselves, and frankly,

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Speaker 5: this is a necessary thing that has to happen or

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Speaker 5: if there to be any resolution whatsoever in the.

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Speaker 2: Region, congrats on the book. I know all the work

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Speaker 2: that goes into that. I hope you're having a good

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Speaker 2: time with it officially being out. What is the ultimate goal?

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Speaker 2: Do you think when it comes to Gaza? What should happen,

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Speaker 2: what's likely to happen, what does history suggest should happen.

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Speaker 5: It looks like Donald Trump has a certain vision in mind.

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Speaker 5: I mean, he wants the United States to take over Gaza.

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Speaker 5: I will be I'll be honest with you. That was

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Speaker 5: not on my personal bingo card. I'm not sure that, frankly,

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Speaker 5: that it was on Bibi Netanyahu's bingo card. I mean,

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Speaker 5: you look at his facial expression at the joint press

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Speaker 5: conference when Donald Trump announced that to the world. It

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Speaker 5: was quite humorous to look at the way that Netanyahu

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Speaker 5: and the Israeli officials in the room reacted to that.

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Speaker 5: I'm open to being persuaded of that. That's not entirely

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Speaker 5: what my first guest would have been, But look, in

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Speaker 5: my heart of hearts, I would love to see the

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Speaker 5: Arabs there find a permanent home in Jordan or Egypt,

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Speaker 5: which seems to be Donald Trump's preferred approach, and for

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Speaker 5: Israel to go ahead and take it over. Realistically speaking,

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Speaker 5: I think the most likely way that this ultimately ends

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Speaker 5: is you get some sort of consortium of the more

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Speaker 5: moderate Sunni Arab states, the Saudi's and Moradis, Bahraini's, maybe

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Speaker 5: the Egyptians if they're willing to play ball, and they

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Speaker 5: kind of go in there jointly together and try to

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Speaker 5: make sure that Islamism and jihadism will not be the

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Speaker 5: way forward there. But that's going to entail some sort

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Speaker 5: of American Israeli or some sort of joint presence there

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Speaker 5: even with that, because frankly, even these guys, the more

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Speaker 5: moderate forces, I'm not sure just how much we can

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Speaker 5: trust them for the mintal long term Josh.

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Speaker 2: For people who don't know, I was over in Israel

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Speaker 2: in December, the amount of Immen's popularity for Trump in

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Speaker 2: Israel is off the charts. In fact, Trump, if they

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Speaker 2: Israel had had a vote in the American presidential election,

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Speaker 2: would have won like he did in West Virginia or Wyoming.

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Speaker 2: What do you think Israelis believe when they see that

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Speaker 2: Trump is being attacked by Democrats here as Hitler.

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Speaker 5: Well, Clay, I'll tell you exactly what Israelis believed, because

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Speaker 5: I happened to be married to one, and I happen

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Speaker 5: to have in laws here in Florida where I live.

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Speaker 1: Who are them?

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Speaker 5: And I taught them every day. The Israeli people are

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Speaker 5: about the Trumpiest people in the basically the entire world.

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure if there's a single foreign country where

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Speaker 5: Trump has a higher approval rating than the state of

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Speaker 5: Israel for a very clear and compelling reason, which is

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Speaker 5: that Donald Trump is the most pro Israel. Frankly, he's

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Speaker 5: the most pro Jewish president in American history there. And

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Speaker 5: you know, this is something of an issue that I

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Speaker 5: think a lot of people here, even on the Rights

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Speaker 5: don't fully understand, is how can American Jews vote disproportionately

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Speaker 5: so much for the Democratic Party while Israeli Jews are

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Speaker 5: so supportive of the Republican person in this case, that

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Speaker 5: would be Donald Trump. I actually talked about that quite

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Speaker 5: a bit in the book Israel and Civilization, and it's

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Speaker 5: maybe a longer and more complicated conversation there. But the

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Speaker 5: Israeli people in general are emphatically pro Trump. They even

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Speaker 5: named the town after him. Clad there's literally a town

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Speaker 5: in the Goal On Heights called Trump Heights, Ramat Trump

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Speaker 5: would be the Hebrew word. I know it because I've

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Speaker 5: been there. I actually drove by, got out of the car,

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Speaker 5: took a selfie on the side of the road there

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Speaker 5: with the road sign ramat Trump.

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Speaker 1: So they're all in.

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Speaker 5: They're all in for President Trump there, and as they

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Speaker 5: should because Donal Trump is deeply supportive of the state

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Speaker 5: of Israel.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about the book Josh out today,

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Speaker 1: Israel and Civilization, The Fate of the Jewish Nation and

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Speaker 1: the Destiny of the West by Josh Hammer. What do

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Speaker 1: people need to know and why should they pick up

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Speaker 1: their copy?

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Speaker 5: So, Buck, the book Israel and Civilization, both fortunately and unfortunately,

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Speaker 5: I think could not possibly be timelyer. I'm a little biased,

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Speaker 5: but I happen to think that that it is very timely.

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Speaker 5: On the one hand, Buck, you have the woke left,

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Speaker 5: which is obviously a horrific, cancerous actor. But there is

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Speaker 5: an increasing portion even of people on the nominal rights,

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Speaker 5: not a loud portion, but there are some people that

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Speaker 5: are really calling for the US to abandon Israel. And frankly,

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Speaker 5: I think deep down on these people's hearts, what they

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Speaker 5: really want to do is ultimately to convince American Christians

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Speaker 5: to just leave the Jewish shade and leave the Jewish

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Speaker 5: people behind. So I took upon myself to write this

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Speaker 5: book basically calling for Jews and Christians alike to lock

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Speaker 5: arms and stand shoulder to shoulder like never before, and

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Speaker 5: to fall in love with the biblical inheritance again, because

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Speaker 5: it actually is that ecumenical biblical inheritance that frankly founded

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Speaker 5: this country, going back in seventeen seventy six, Thomas Jefferson,

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Speaker 5: Benjamin Franklin, they wanted the National Seal of the United

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Speaker 5: States to be Moses partying in the Red Sea. Abraham Lincoln,

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Speaker 5: my own favorite figure in American history, described famously Americans

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Speaker 5: as an almost chosen people, using that covenantal language from

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Speaker 5: the Hebrew Bible. The Liberty Bell in Philadelphia literally has

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Speaker 5: a scriptural quote from the Book of Leviticus right on

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Speaker 5: the outside of it there. So the book is kind

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Speaker 5: of painstakingly arguing that's so much what we take for

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Speaker 5: granted today when it comes to our law, politics, morals, ethics,

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Speaker 5: and so forth, really does go back to Scripture and

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Speaker 5: that we cannot abandon that. But the book is also

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Speaker 5: relevant buff because I make a very clear maga America

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Speaker 5: first hard headed realist case for US Israel relations and

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Speaker 5: the importance of US Israel ties. You have a lot

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Speaker 5: of people that are screaming, oh, the Israel issue. Oh,

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Speaker 5: it's an old neo con neo conservative issue. It's an

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Speaker 5: old Bush administration, Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld issue. Sorry, but

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Speaker 5: the answer is no, that's not what it is. Donald

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Speaker 5: Trump is not a neo conservetive. He is a foreign

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Speaker 5: policy realist, and he's the most pro Israel president in

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Speaker 5: American history. There if you want to focus disproportionately on China,

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Speaker 5: which I think America needs to do, because again I'm

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Speaker 5: a realist who believes in limited resources, the question is

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Speaker 5: how do you secure American interest in the Middle East

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Speaker 5: while allowing you to extra kate resources to the Indo Pacific.

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Speaker 5: And the obvious answer, which Trump and BB got to

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Speaker 5: in the Abrahamic Cords, is to empower and embolden our

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Speaker 5: allies in the region to secure that region in a

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Speaker 5: way there were downs to all of our interests. So

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Speaker 5: I think that this explicitly realist case for Us' relations

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Speaker 5: is very timely and very important. But it's all in

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Speaker 5: there Israel and civilization, the fate of the Jewish Nation

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Speaker 5: and the Destiny of the West Amazon, Barnes and Noble,

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Speaker 5: wherever you get your.

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Speaker 2: Books, Josha, when you look at the history and I

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Speaker 2: got your book and I was looking through it, and

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Speaker 2: I was fascinated because again, I just came back from Israel.

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Speaker 2: How optimistic are you about peace in the Middle East?

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Speaker 2: Because for thousands of years it hasn't happened. Are you

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Speaker 2: optimistic that in the lifetime of the people that are

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Speaker 2: listening to us right now, we could have some form

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Speaker 2: of peace in the Middle East?

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Speaker 5: Yes, and no, I think that there that there is

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Speaker 5: such a thing as a as a more tranquil regions,

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Speaker 5: as a more peaceful region that is less prone to

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Speaker 5: violent eruptions of jihadism. Frankly, Clay, that's ultimately going to take.

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Speaker 5: It's going to have to take the Iranian regime to go,

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Speaker 5: because the Irani regime currently is is the head of

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Speaker 5: the sink. They are the source of virtually all of

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Speaker 5: the violent jihad that that goes across the Middle East. Now,

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Speaker 5: to be clear, I'm not saying that America needs to

989
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Speaker 5: go and start toppling the Ayatola. That's not my stance,

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Speaker 5: but somewhere, some way or another, whether it comes from

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Speaker 5: sanctions or the or the Mike Pompeo esque maximum pressure campaign,

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Speaker 5: that regime is going to have to go. So at

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Speaker 5: some point, God willing in a post Islamic republic Aroan

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Speaker 5: there where jihad is on the decline, then yes, I

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Speaker 5: think the Middle East could be a lot more stable

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Speaker 5: than it is today.

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Speaker 1: Has Blah, the.

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Speaker 5: Hoofis Hamas, all these forces would be subdued, if not

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Speaker 5: made completely extinct without their major benefactor in Tehran. On

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Speaker 5: the other hand, you still do have the issue of Islam,

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Speaker 5: and there are very real questions I think are worth

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Speaker 5: asking and exploring as to the extent to which Islam

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Speaker 5: will ever itself, even any more moderate form, ever be

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Speaker 5: comfortable fully with a Jewish state there in the heart

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Speaker 5: of the Middle East. And I don't really fully know

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Speaker 5: the answer to that, but I do think that after

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Speaker 5: Iran goes and God willing going to be at some

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Speaker 5: points again, not that the US has to topple them,

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Speaker 5: but at some point that regime is going to have

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Speaker 5: to go at some point, Clay, after that, I think

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Speaker 5: things will definitely be better, if not fully solved.

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Speaker 1: Israel and civilization the Fate of the Jewish Nation and

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Speaker 1: the Destiny of the West. Josh Hammer is the author.

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