1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: Now from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg Sound On. 2 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: We call on Russia to immediately restore Ukraine's full control 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: of the plants. You can see the narrative building around 4 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: this administration, which is like, hey, we're in it for 5 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:19,760 Speaker 1: the long haul. The concern is that people across the world, 6 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: not just in the United States, forget about the plight 7 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: of Ukraine. Bloomberg Sound On, Politics, Policy and Perspective. From 8 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: DC's top name. This is Artemus Launch Control Launch Rector 9 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: Charlie Pakfault tops and has called a scruff when you're 10 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: dealing in a high risk business and space flight is risky, 11 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 1: and that's what you do. Bloomberg Sound On with Joe 12 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. The counter offensive begins in Ukraine. 13 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to the fastest hour in politics, as the Ukrainian 14 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: military launches a long anticipated assault on Russian forces to 15 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: retake land. Will it move US closer or further away 16 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: from a diplomatics alution. We'll talk with John Herbst, former 17 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: US Ambassador to Ukraine, now with the Atlantic Council. Later, 18 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: the Justice Department says it's filter team has finished reviewing 19 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: the documents seized at Mara Lago. Well out the latest 20 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: from Bloomberg Legal reporter Eric Larson, who's knee deep in 21 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: Donald Trump's legal challenges. Analysis from the panel today. The 22 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: signature panel is in place. Bloomberg Politics contributors Genie Chanzano 23 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 1: and Rick Davis were with us for the hour. Ukraine 24 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: starts pushing back near the city of Curson now in 25 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: the long awaited counter offensive aimed at recapturing ground that 26 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: Russia occupied in the early stages of the war. Remember 27 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: we're six months in. As we receive word as well 28 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 1: that inspectors from the u n's nuclear watchdog will be 29 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: headed to the plant that we have been hearing about. Zapparisha. 30 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: John Kirby, National Security Council spokesperson at the White House, Hello, 31 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: briefing today with some reporters on zoom and called on 32 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: Russia to honor the agreement to let the inspectors in 33 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: US insured insure safe, unfettered access for these independent inspectors. 34 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 1: We also believe the Russia should agree to a demoturn 35 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: sent around the plant. As we said many times, require 36 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 1: plan is not locations of combat operations. In a tweet, 37 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency says. Inspectors 38 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: will be at the nuclear power plant later on this week. 39 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: A special conversation about all of this now with the 40 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: former US Ambassador to Ukraine, John herbs Is back with us, 41 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: of course now Senior director of the Atlantic Council's Eurasia Center. 42 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: John's joining us from Lithuania with Congressional staff fellows. They're 43 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: meeting with officials and activists to talk about Russian aggression 44 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: in Ukraine and throughout Europe for that matter. Ambassador, welcome 45 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: back to Bloomberg. Radio is the most important issue right now. 46 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: What's happening at this nuclear plant? How can the US 47 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: help from a diplomatic standpoint to get these in spectors 48 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: in Well, what's happening at the nuclear power plants, which 49 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: Russia has taken control of and placed weapons in and 50 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: around and fired missiles in Ukraine from from that area 51 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: is very dangerous. But I think we're on the step 52 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: to reducing the danger. Uh. The United States has been 53 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: very active diplomatically putting pressure on Moscow for this additional 54 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: danger that its war of aggression in Ukraine is creating, 55 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: And as a consequence, it looks like we can't say 56 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: for sure, but it looks like Moscow has agreed that 57 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: the I a e A, the international agency which pursues 58 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: of nuclear issues, will have access, will be able to 59 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,119 Speaker 1: inspect the plant. Well, I guess we'll learn a lot 60 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: at that point. I don't know you know exactly what 61 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: happens next. But as you just heard John Kirby suggested, 62 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: demilitarized zone in that area? Is that is there even 63 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: a chance for that who negotiates that at this stage 64 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: of the war. Um. I don't rule it out, but 65 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: I would not count it in either. Um if if 66 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,040 Speaker 1: such the thing is negotiated, I suspect the U in 67 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: the I a e A will be the negotiators UM 68 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: with the Russians and with the Ukrainians. But it's one 69 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: thing from oscart to lower tensions. Would be another thing 70 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: from actually withdraw their forces from around and inside the 71 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: nuclear reactor. But that would obviously be a big step forward. Well, 72 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: based on the behavior that we've seen from the Russians 73 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: in for instance, closing ports on the Black Sea, you know, 74 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: hopes shouldn't be too high. I guess is your point right? Well, 75 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,359 Speaker 1: I would make I would say yes. But it's also 76 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: true that Moscow would shut down all grain exports from 77 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: Ukraine literally months, but international pressure got them to open 78 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: up the ports at least somewhat so at sometimes at 79 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: some points, international pressure can affect the Kremlin's nasty calculations. 80 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: Ambassador Herbs, tell us your thoughts on this counter offensive 81 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: right now. And I ask you that with the knowledge 82 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: that you were one of the signatures on an open 83 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 1: letter that has been published in a few places in 84 00:04:55,720 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: Washington here insisting on greater military and strategic support for Ukraine. 85 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: You've you've said that we need to do more. As 86 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: this counter offensive begins, and we sign another three billion 87 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,799 Speaker 1: dollars worth of weapons over to Ukraine, what else should 88 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: we be doing? Well? The administration has provided substantial assistance 89 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: to Ukraine, and that's very good, but it has also 90 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 1: been slow and timid at providing Ukraine the weapons that 91 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: needs to actually stop the Russians cold and push them back. Um. 92 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: That needs to stop, and that's why we issued that 93 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 1: statement last week, signed by nineteen former senior military and 94 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 1: civilian officials. We need to send longer range artillery, not 95 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: just our truly, which has a range of kilometers, but 96 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: up to one fifty or even three kilometers. We need 97 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: to send on fighter planes we refuse to send to Ukraine. 98 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: We need to send tanks. If we do all these things, 99 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: Moscow will lose the land it's currently conquered, at least 100 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: in the south and perhaps in the east at one point, 101 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: though you send all that stuff over there, I mean, 102 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: should shouldn't Russia just consider itself to be at war 103 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: with the US in Ukraine. Look, Moscow is unable to 104 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: defeat the Ukrainians. When Ukraine receives military and economic support 105 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: for the United States, they are no way able to 106 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: be at war with the United States. Our conventional military 107 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: and NATO's conventional military is far greater all and we 108 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: should not allow ourselves to be intimidated when Putin throws 109 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: out nuclear threats, which is highly unlikely to actually put 110 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: into place put into practice. Well, how do you think 111 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: Russia will be able to hold up at this point 112 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: if it is a concerted counter offensive? Knowing that we 113 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: have been keeping Ukraine armed here with with such depletion 114 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: on the Russian side eighty thousand casualties according to the Pentagon, 115 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: and no access to new hardware. They can't get the 116 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: chips to make new stuff to replace the tanks and 117 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: missiles in the fields. So is the timing right, Uh, 118 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: the timing is right for a new offensive, but I 119 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: don't believe Ukraine has enough hardware again, longer range missiles, tanks, 120 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: armored personnel carriers, planes, to conduct a substantial, effective counter offensive. 121 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: If we gave Ukraine everything or nearly everything that's asking for, 122 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: I don't have any doubt they could take back most 123 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: of the South and a good portion of the East. 124 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: And I hope we'll see that, because it's crazy to 125 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: talk about negotiations right now when Putin's aim is still 126 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: to subdue Ukraine. And keep in mind, Putin is conducting 127 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: a war of war crimes, and if we agreed to 128 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: Russia controlling new territory and Ukraine, we're consigning Ukrainian civilians, 129 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: women and children to Moscow's war crimes. And Russia has 130 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: already taken, according to some estimates, as many as two 131 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty thousand Ukrainian children and put them into 132 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: Russia to put them up for adoption with Russian parents. 133 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: You know, we ended last week, Ambassador with the conversation 134 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: about knowing that that we had signed off on this 135 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: additional weapons package and the types of things that had 136 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: been ordered, many of the items had not been procured 137 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: or even contracted yet, signaling as we crossed the six 138 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: month mark that this would be a much longer, more 139 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: protracted battle to take place before we could reach a 140 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: diplomatic solution. Are you in the month or years camp? No, 141 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: I think we're in the year's camp. But I do 142 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: believe strongly that if we provide more and advanced weapons now, 143 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: we will bring this to an end sooner, because only 144 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: then we'll Putin realize he cannot win this war, and 145 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: he'd be willing to negotiate a serious piece, a piece 146 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: which make sure that additional Ukrainian civilians are not subject 147 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 1: to kate to Russian war crimes which have been major 148 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 1: to the point of genocide according to some experts. Is 149 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: he counting on American fatigue? He's absolutely counting on fatigue 150 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 1: from the West and timidity by Western leaders. We need 151 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: to make sure that we continue to provide robust support 152 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: so Putin realized he has to negotiated honest piece, not 153 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,079 Speaker 1: a piece of the victor where he could continue to 154 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: again oppress the Ukrainian people. You remember, Ambassador, the pushback 155 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 1: that that the Pentagon received when it came to the 156 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: idea of sending Big twenty nine's over there from Poland. 157 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: They didn't want to touch that, as it would be 158 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: seen as escalatory, would possibly even open a country like 159 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: Poland being attacked by Russia trigger an Article five response 160 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: and you've got a world war underway? Do you not 161 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: agree with that? Did you at the time? And you 162 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: obviously don't now if you think we should be sending 163 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,599 Speaker 1: tanks and planes? But was that was that a a 164 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: just a wrong assessment by our Pentagon and State Department? 165 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: It was really not the Pentagon and probably not the 166 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: state departments elsewhere in the administration. Look who was that that? 167 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: I will not go into that here. That that was 168 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,599 Speaker 1: a sign of weakness, a sign that we could be intimidated. 169 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: But Putin's nuclear threat it also demonstrated complete illiteracy in 170 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: the practice and the doctrine of nuclear deterrems. We are 171 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: in nuclear power every bit as much as Russia, who 172 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: didn't g everything by threatened nuclear war, he gains nothing 173 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: by actually doing it, And we have allowed him to 174 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: intimidate us away from defending major, actually vital interest because 175 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: if Putin wins in Ukraine, he's gonna come for our 176 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: Baltic NATO allies, and we will have to defend our 177 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,079 Speaker 1: Baltic NATO allies with American troops. Here we can defeat 178 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: Putin with economic assistance and weapons. So are you suggesting 179 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: that this administration is taking cues from other nations? Why? No, 180 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 1: mags Um, no, Mexic because they said it was quote 181 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: unquote escalatory. They let they let Putin intimidate them. And 182 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: it's very dangerous when an aggressive power with nuclear weapons 183 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,199 Speaker 1: like Russia believes that it can intimidate the United States. 184 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: That is not statesmanship, that's weakness. But you don't think 185 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: the Pentagon saw it that way. Um, that's my understanding. 186 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: Oh man, this sounds political, that ambassador, that's part of 187 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: part of yours, no doubt about it. This this is 188 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: very much political. Well okay, so has the climate changed 189 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: enough to get the that's there now? Uh. I don't 190 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: think it's changed yet, but over time it may well change. Look, 191 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: we've seen the administration provide substantial assistance, and they deserve 192 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: credit for that substantial assistance military and economic. And we've 193 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: seen them provide increasingly more sophisticated weapons, but only after 194 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: they say no. But then they change their mind. So 195 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: the dynamic is one of first no than yes, and 196 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: so eventually opposition becomes stronger. Again, that's good, but it 197 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: takes too long, which means more Ukrainians die and means 198 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 1: Russia has more time to create tensions in Europe and 199 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: within between the United States and Europe. And Joe Biden 200 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 1: has been timid, in your opinion, so as to not 201 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: lose European allies in this effort getting warm. I think 202 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: that may be part of it, but that's not all 203 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 1: of it. And you know, I remember when Vice President 204 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: Biden um disagreed with President Obama job in Ukraine. So 205 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 1: I don't understand why we're not wow. We kind of 206 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: should be. Need to get an adult beverage with John Herp's, 207 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: former US Ambassador to Ukraine, senior director of the Atlantic 208 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: Council's Eurasia Center. Fascinating conversation Ambassador. The panel's next, This 209 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg Sound On with Joe 210 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. Timidits he seemed to be the 211 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: key word there from John Herp's, the former Ambassador to Ukraine. 212 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 1: Just as Ukrainians launch the counter offensive, the former ambassador. 213 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: This is a diplomat now he's with the Atlantic Council. 214 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: Says it's time to get the jets of the tanks 215 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: over there. This is not an opportunity to be wasted. 216 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 1: But I'll tell you it's not gonna happen. Missiles, yes, 217 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: lots of AMMO mortar rounds, No fighter jets on this 218 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: shopping list that we saw last week with another three 219 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: billion dollars in gear headed over to Ukraine. Let's assemble 220 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: the panel after our weekend. We come back together with 221 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: Rick Engenie Bloomberg Politics contributors Jeannie Chanzano and Rick Davis. 222 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: I'm not sure Genie, exactly where the Ambassador was going here, 223 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,439 Speaker 1: if only to understand that he thinks this president has 224 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: been too timid. Even with this relatively large collection of 225 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: allies here, it's been a bit of a a balancing act, right, 226 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: But I, as I understand from the ambassador, the president 227 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: needs to stand up and start taking on matters in 228 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: his own hands. Yeah, you know, he's been thirteen what 229 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: a billion dollars timid and um, there are a large 230 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: number of allies that we are working with, but you 231 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: know I'm hearing these words. You know, fatigue and timidity, 232 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 1: but I think we have to realize there's another word here, 233 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: and that's pain. So I mean, just to look at 234 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: what is going on in Europe from the energy sector, 235 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: you had the British regulators say prices will up jump 236 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: eight percent in one day in October. That is real 237 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: pain for people in Europe. And that's not just in England. 238 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: It's going to happen in Germany. It's happening in France. 239 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 1: And that is where he is right. Herbst is right 240 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 1: because time is not on the side of Ukraine. This 241 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: is going to be a real issue because it is 242 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: not far fetched to imagine that people in Europe get very, 243 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: very frustrated when they can't keep their homes d It 244 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: is very cold Campbell. Those expecting this to go on 245 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: for years, though, Genie, So you know which is it? Well, 246 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: you know, listen, you had increase in energy in April 247 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: in England and in October. That's real pain. This is 248 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: going to go on for years. Of course, Putin is 249 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: expecting and hoping that he's able to strike some kind 250 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: of deal, and that's why time is not on the 251 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: side of Zelenski. This counterinsurgency that they're this counter offensive 252 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: is critical because again time is an issue. Winter is 253 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: approaching and that's a problem for the Ukrainians. How about 254 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: how about this not go on for years? Rick, how 255 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: about we do exactly what the ambassador just said, starts 256 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: sending fighter jets, tanks and long range missiles over there. 257 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: Would that bring to an end? Well? I think it 258 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: certainly speeds up the process. We we get reports all 259 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: the time about the lack of resources that the Russians have. 260 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: You know, we're right now we're seeing them having to 261 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: pull troops out of the East and the Don Boss 262 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: in order to shore up their position in the south 263 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: where the where the surge is happening. So um, you know, 264 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: it's it actually isn't a zero sum game. It's not 265 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: just what we give to um, the Ukrainians that will 266 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: help win this war right away. It's also the pressure 267 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: we can continue to put on Russia directly. And I 268 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: would say that's an area actually surprised that the former 269 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: ambassador didn't mention it. We're not inflicting any pain economically 270 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: on this. This regime in in Moscow not compared to 271 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: what ultimately we need to do. It's got to be 272 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: able to be a painful political situation in Russia to 273 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: get put in them to move. He will claim victory 274 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: all day long when he's losing on the battlefield, but 275 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: the minity loses the confidence of his people, he's out 276 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: of there. At what point, though, do we go back 277 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: to that concern Rick, that we had a couple of 278 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: months ago at least was expressed here that you send 279 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: that type of hardware, that's an offensive move. Russia drops 280 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: a bomb or sends a missile into a NATO country 281 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: like Poland or Romanian, this is a very different picture 282 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: at that point. Well, the only thing worse than us 283 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: manning um the Ukrainians with our our weaponry is a 284 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: war with US. And I think the ambassador a good 285 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: job of creating a distinction. The Russian military wouldn't last 286 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: a week against NATO. Okay, So like our level of 287 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: sophistication is significantly higher than what we're seeing on a 288 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: battle field by the Russians, our numbers will dwarf them overnight. 289 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: Are sophisticated troops who have you know, command control and 290 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: communications capability will not allow them to be able to 291 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: get off the kinds of warfare they are fighting. A 292 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: you know, uh, you know, sixteenth century war on the 293 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: ground in Ukraine, and we have twenty one century capability. 294 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: So the last thing Vladimir Putin wants to do is 295 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: give any NATO country a pretel X to say article 296 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 1: for I'm you know, I'm under attack, come help me. Well, 297 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 1: what do you think then, Jennie, We'll send them, send 298 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: them the full list, get the jets over there. Why 299 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 1: don't we wait so long? You know, the problem is 300 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 1: domestic politics. I mean, you know, we are engaged in 301 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,239 Speaker 1: a conflict with Russia, but we are doing it in 302 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: this sort of proxy environment that we are comfortable with. 303 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: And when I say we, it's not just the United States, 304 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: it's all of our NATO autumy are real proxy then 305 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: though it would be a real proxy then And this 306 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 1: is the domestic problem, and so we are wanting to 307 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: have it both ways. And the problem is is that 308 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: Russia has shown itself and I agree with Rick, their 309 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: economy has held up under this. We haven't been tough 310 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: enough there, but in part it's held up because of India, 311 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 1: China and countries like that. But you know, they have 312 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: held up. We could really have a real impact on 313 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: them economically in a more concerted way. We haven't had 314 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,719 Speaker 1: the domestic will to do that, and so that is 315 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: a problem for US be because Russia has been showing 316 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: itself to be willing to wait these things out, and 317 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 1: the longer they wait, the harder it is for Ukraine. Well, 318 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: I'll tell you if if there's an opportunity to speed 319 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 1: this up, Brick, I can't imagine that there's going to 320 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 1: be a better opportunity for the administration than right now 321 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: while it still has the support of the American people. 322 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: To your point, though, when it comes to sanctions, is 323 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: that the conversation that lawmakers need to have when they 324 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: come back to town another another layer. I think not 325 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: only UM lawmakers, because I think there's more we can 326 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: do domestically ourselves, but we ought to see this sanction 327 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: regime for secondary sanctions on the agenda for the g 328 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: Secondary Sanctions. Rick Davis and Jennie Chanzon no our panel 329 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: Signature panel back with us on a Monday, and they'll 330 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: be back a bit later this hour. As we turned 331 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: to Eric Larson, Bloomberg Legal Reporter for help with what's 332 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: happening with the documents from Mara Lago. That's next on Bloomberg. 333 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: Now that the affid David has had a chance to 334 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: breathe for a little bit. Remember the redacted version out Friday. 335 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: Chattering Class spent time with it over the weekend, although 336 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 1: it was pretty difficult to find a Republican defending Donald 337 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 1: Trump on Sunday morning television. As we learn now this 338 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 1: is remember a hundred and eighty four documents that came 339 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: from the first batch, a whole bunch more in the 340 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: more recently acquired batch of documents, hundreds hundreds of documents, 341 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: and it's being reviewed or has just been reviewed by 342 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: the Department of Justice. Is so called filter team. They 343 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: look for violations of attorney client privilege. They weed these 344 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: things out and uh, I guess keep them from the prosecutors. 345 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,199 Speaker 1: As the idea here, But it do'n't always come together 346 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: quite that neat of a way. As I read from 347 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: Eric Larson on the terminal, he's with us right now. 348 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: The headline d OJ response raises doubts on Trump's special 349 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 1: master request Eric, who's on this filter team as they 350 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: call it. Well, we don't have any names of which 351 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,719 Speaker 1: individuals are part of the team, but they would separate 352 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: from the investigators and basically, you know, any time there's 353 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: a search like this and lots of records are sees, UM, 354 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: you're going to have a team like this or do 355 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,360 Speaker 1: an initial look through to make sure that any documents 356 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: or records covered by attorney client privilege are not UM 357 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: handed over to investigators because those types of documents are 358 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 1: supposed to remain secret and just between the attorney and 359 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 1: the clients. So essentially it is Trump's right to have 360 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: those documents if there are any return to him UM, 361 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: and the DJ filing today was sort of ali preliminary 362 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 1: response to Trump's lawsuits, seeking his own neutral third party 363 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: to do essentially the same thing, but someone that UM 364 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: would not be a government employee and would be uh, 365 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 1: sort of doing it a review that I guess Trump's 366 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 1: people would trust more, I guess, for lack of a 367 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 1: better way to put it, UM. So there, it's far 368 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: from certain whether or not that special master will be granted. 369 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 1: There's going to be a hearing on that on Thursday. 370 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: But for now, as you mentioned, we know that the 371 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: d o J review team has at least finished this 372 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 1: initial review UM, and they said that they did find 373 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 1: a limited set of documents potentially covered by attorney privilege, 374 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: and they're following the process for handling those and so 375 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,719 Speaker 1: those would would would be returned. I guess by design 376 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: here you point out though in your column. In his 377 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 1: August twenty second suit, Donald Trump complained that the judge 378 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: approved the Justice Departments filter protocol without input from the defense, 379 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: and went on to say that the filter team's leader 380 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: is a deputy to the lead prosecutor in this matter, 381 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: So it does not ensure that prosecution team NET members 382 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 1: will not access or become aware of what they see 383 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,719 Speaker 1: as privilege materials. Have they already seen all this stuff? 384 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: It's it's impossible to know just at this point yet. 385 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: I mean, we did get some new details from that 386 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: complaint that that was filed by Trump, but those haven't 387 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 1: necessarily been confirmed by the Justice Department, so we don't 388 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 1: know if that's true. At the filter team's leader is 389 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 1: a deputy to the lead prosecutor, I don't at least 390 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: no offense true. But and I can say I'm not 391 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: necessarily saying that it's not. But you can imagine that 392 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 1: the DOJ and doing such a high profile review and 393 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 1: with such an important privileged review team here, that they 394 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: would wouldn't be doing anything necessarily unusual that could potentially 395 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,679 Speaker 1: be called out. I mean it could be that, uh, 396 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: you know, Trump is pointing at something as if it's 397 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: you know, nefarious, even though it might be a completely standard. 398 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: So we'll find out a lot more when the Justice 399 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 1: Department files it's first substantive public response to the lawsuit. 400 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 1: Tomorrow is the deadline that is going to spell out 401 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 1: in much more detail what the status of the review is, 402 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: what they've done with these documents, if in fact, any 403 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 1: documents have now been handed over to the actual investigators 404 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: to start looking for violations of the law on Trump's part. Uh. 405 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: So we will find out a lot more tomorrow, and 406 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 1: then Trump will get a chance to respond to that 407 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: filing on Wednesday, and then we'll have a hearing on 408 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: Thursday in West palmp Beach. Fascinating, special Master, is this 409 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: a delay tactic as some suggest? I mean, what's the 410 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: point of having a special master or whatever you're going 411 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: to call your third party? If these filtered teams or 412 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 1: I understand taint teams they're also called, already exist. You 413 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 1: know it certainly could be Um Trump in his lawyers. 414 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: You know, it's safe to say they've been known for 415 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 1: being accused of delayed tactics in various lawsuits before and 416 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: and frankly, uh, this request for a special master could 417 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: have been made a while ago. I mean, this two 418 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: was filed twenty two. The search was August eight. I 419 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: have spoken to plenty of legal experts since then who said, 420 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: you know, if the problem was, if they were really 421 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: a major concern about the d o j's paint team, 422 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 1: then why would you wait so long to file too 423 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: for a special master to be appointed? So that could 424 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: be something that could play against Trump at this hearing. 425 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: Although it should be noted that the judge handling this 426 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: case is actually a Trump appointed judge, and over the 427 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: weekend she issues sort of an unusual uh preliminary order 428 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: saying that she was preliminarily inclined to grant Trump's request, 429 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: even though she hadn't heard anything from the DJ yet. 430 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: Uh So we'll we'll see if if that ends up 431 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 1: being um a final order or not. You know, she 432 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: may be swayed by the d j's arguments. We'll have 433 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: to wait and see. But it was kind of an 434 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 1: interesting order there, prebuttle from the judge. Okay, you point out, Eric, 435 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: that this is out of the Giuliani playbook. We've seen 436 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 1: this movie before, right, And actually, you know, like I said, 437 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: it's not super unusual for special match like this to 438 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: be requested, especially when you have, for example, a lawyer's 439 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: offices being um searched, having computers, files, records, phones, sees 440 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: that there's going to be potential for lots of proto 441 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: stuff based on there. But you write that Rudy Giuliani 442 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 1: material sees from Rudy Giuliani and Michael Cohen was subject 443 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: to attorney client privilege or retired federal judge was appointed 444 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: in both instances to review there exactly. And that's again 445 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,120 Speaker 1: because both of those gentlemen being lawyers, you know, really 446 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 1: does increase the um the risk of that attorney clients 447 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 1: privilege being uh complicated in such a search. Of course 448 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 1: Trump is not a lawyer, um, But that doesn't mean 449 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: that there aren't privileged materials that could have been taken 450 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: from the former president. Yeah, and his office was searched 451 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: during the borrow law though search, and he is in 452 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 1: the middle of a lot of litigation and including also 453 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: back and forth with concerning these documents with the government, 454 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: so presumably files the record the documents related to any 455 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 1: of those ongoing legal matters that have just been sitting 456 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: on his death. Great reporting, Eric Larson, Thank you for 457 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: joining us again. Eric. We're gonna learn a lot over 458 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: the next three days. Clearly, as we heard from Bloomberg's 459 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 1: legal reporter, will reassemble our panel next. Rick and Jeanie 460 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,959 Speaker 1: are on the way back in. I'm Joe Matthews. This 461 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: is Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg sound on on Bloomberg Radio. 462 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: Who's pretty hard to find a high ranking Republican official 463 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: defending Donald Trump on Sunday Morning television. I guess Roy 464 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: Blunt tried but didn't really own it. Well, there was 465 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: Senator Lindsey Graham that may be Donald Trump's true friend 466 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 1: at the moment on Fox News. Most Republicans, including me, 467 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: believes when it comes to Trump, uh, there is no law. 468 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: It's all about getting him. There's a double standard when 469 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 1: it comes to Trump. What happened with Hunter Biden is 470 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 1: that the FBI wait end to make sure story didn't 471 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: break for the election. We now have whistleblowers at the 472 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 1: FBI telling Senator grass Lee that they were told to 473 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: slow down and back off Hunter Biden. And I'll say this. 474 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 1: If there's a prosecution of Donald Trump for misshandling classified 475 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: information after the Clinton debacle, which you presided over and 476 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: did a hell of a good job, there would be 477 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: riots in the street, riots in the streets. The line 478 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 1: that andates from Sunday Morning's talking to trade out e there, 479 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: he's got his own show. Let's reassemble the panel. Rick 480 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: Davis and Jennie Chanzano Bloomberg Politics contributors make up our 481 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: signature panel. And Rick, I don't know, is Lindsey Graham 482 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: looking kind of lonely here or will he end up 483 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 1: looking like the smartest guy in the room. Well, let's 484 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: hope he's not the smartest guy in the room because 485 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: what he's predicting isn't good for the country. Well, obviously riots, 486 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: But you know, look, there's been a lot of cases 487 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: against Donald Trump that his supporters have never seen come 488 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 1: to fruition. Yeah, but this is the thing that I've 489 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: left scratching my head. I mean, you know, Lindsey Graham's lawyer. 490 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 1: He's he's practiced law in the pass on the side 491 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: of you know, the little guy. Um. He was been 492 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: chairman of the Judiciary Committee most recently. I mean he's 493 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: steeped in this, and and to to predicate a prosecution 494 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 1: on the outcome of riots in the street. In other words, 495 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: you shouldn't prosecute Donald Trump because of the reaction from 496 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: his supporters. It's just extra legal, right. It just doesn't 497 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: make sense from from someone who's has learned as he is. 498 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: So I would have preferred, you know, him say there 499 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,159 Speaker 1: might be right in the streets, where there would be 500 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: rights in the streets, and that would be wrong, right, 501 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: because that would be okay to say it's wrong to 502 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: do that. But um, but he stopped there. And so look, 503 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 1: I mean, tempers are hot. Joe Biden called mega Republicans 504 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: near fascists the other day. I mean everybody and and 505 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 1: even quote Donald Trump, everyone needs to back off a 506 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: little bit. I mean, like what Donald Trump says everyone 507 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 1: ought to back off. That's really saying something. Yeah, he 508 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 1: said everybody needs to relax a little bit here, Genie, 509 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: I don't know if you agree. But Democrats weren't out 510 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: in force killing Donald Trump on this either. Is it 511 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: good for both parties to be kind of quiet while 512 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: this unfolds. Well, you know, the political reality is, the 513 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: more Donald Trump is in the news, the better for Democrats. 514 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: And that's been that's been the reality. So you know, 515 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: the more Trump, the better for them. Republicans know that 516 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: they would like to turn their focus on Joe Biden. 517 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: They'd like to talk about inflation, they'd like to talk 518 00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: about his age, they'd like to talk about a whole 519 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: bunch of things. They haven't gotten the oxygen in the 520 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: room because Donald Trump takes it all up in the 521 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: media realm. And that's a problem. And you know, Lindsey 522 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: Graham is repeating what's been sort of a common thesis 523 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: or mantra for many years that Donald Trump has been, 524 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: you know, a leading public figure, political figure at least 525 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: in our country, which is this idea that if we 526 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: actually prosecute him, we run the risk of turning him 527 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: into some kind of martyr and or his supporters will riot. 528 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 1: And the reality is that's not how a legal system operates. 529 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 1: And I am not advocating prosecution at all, but what 530 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: I'm saying is that should not be the consideration. And 531 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: it's a problem when people like Senator Lindsey Graham start 532 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 1: to say or hint that the reason not to prosecute 533 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: is because of a potential violent reaction we should be 534 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: able to handle both a violent reaction and prosecution when 535 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: it's deserved, and it may or may not be in 536 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: this case. Well fair enough, I mean the and I 537 00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,719 Speaker 1: should be clear by the way, I was hearing plenty 538 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: of of democratic or liberal pundits talk about this, but 539 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: elected leaders are playing it carefully. Rick, is that the 540 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: right move for Democrats as well? Uh? Look, I think Democrats, Uh, 541 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: they have their talking points going in the mid terms. 542 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 1: It's all about the accomplishments in the last couple of months. Really, 543 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 1: I mean, as if we could forget the first year 544 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 1: and a half of the right administration. But but but look, 545 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 1: they fall prey to this too, right. I mean, you know, 546 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: if I were advising Republicans right now, I would do 547 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: exactly what Geni was suggesting. Just talk about inflation, just 548 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: talk about the economy. These are the things that will 549 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: turn voters in our direction. Talking about Donald Trump is 550 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: not going to help that that construct. And so the 551 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: fact that Democrats kind of have a cheap win here 552 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: because Republicans are already off message, and if they just 553 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: tweak it every now and then, it'll just wind up 554 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: the Republicans a little bit. I wouldn't be surprised if 555 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,239 Speaker 1: that wasn't Joe Biden's strategy when he talked about, you know, 556 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 1: Maga's Republicans being you know, near fascist, because at the 557 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 1: end of the day, you know that's going to create 558 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 1: an opposite and equal reaction. Jennie, what was your take 559 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 1: on that we didn't have a chance because you weren't 560 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: with us On Friday, as the President went to Bethesda 561 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: for a fundraiser. There were two different events that night. 562 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: I want everyone to understand. One of them was didn't 563 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: have cameras or a stage, or was in a tent 564 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: in somebody's backyard. That's where the real money is raised. 565 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: Then he went up to Rockville and was on stage 566 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: to the big rally, you know, the big speech at 567 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: the podium with the lights of the cameras. When he 568 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: was in that tent, he did he said, you know 569 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: that this isn't your grandfather's party, Ultra Maga. He said, 570 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: it's kind of like semi fascism. Recalling of course, everyone said, well, 571 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: is this the new deplorables of the election cycle? Was 572 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: that a dangerous thing for him to say? You know, 573 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 1: this has been part of the democratic talking point for 574 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: a long time. The idea is the more extremist you 575 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: can paint the Republicans, the better off Democrats will be, 576 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: the more enthusiastic their base will be, and the more money, 577 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: quite frankly, you will raise to fund these campaigns. It's 578 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: not a lot different than Republicans who are for years 579 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:07,479 Speaker 1: gone out and described Democrats as socialist. Right, that's you know, 580 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: not that so not that socialist is equated to fascist, 581 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: but you know, there's there's a you know, this kind 582 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: of over overcharged language that's become common. I don't particularly 583 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: like it, and I don't like it from a president, 584 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: but this is where we are in this environment. So 585 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: it's not a surprise, and it is part and person 586 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: of what their research shows. The more you can describe 587 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: Republicans as extreme, the more likely Democrats get out, and 588 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: the less likely Republicans do as well as they should 589 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 1: in a mid term with inflation this high. Some suggests 590 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: it's the only way to beat Donald Trump UH is 591 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 1: to kind of match him rick, to get in the 592 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: ring with him, and this would be his style, but 593 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: he's not on the ballot. I don't know a dozen 594 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: Republican primary um UH contenders try to do that, and 595 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,959 Speaker 1: look how well they fared. My money's on Donald trumpet 596 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: that's the tactic. Look, I mean, you know, John McCain 597 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: when he was running for president, gave an order said 598 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 1: we're not going to talk about Reverend right, that would 599 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 1: be a divisive racial signature of a campaign message, and 600 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: we're gonna take that off the table. Where those days, 601 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: Where are the days where we actually try to lower 602 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 1: lower the temperature and focus on issues that actually American 603 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: voters care about. American voters do not care about the 604 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: kind of comments that are either made by Lindsey Graham 605 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: in relation to these riots, or or or from Joe 606 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: Biden in relation to how he defines the ultra magus. 607 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 1: I mean, all of this stuff is just creating a 608 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: further divide. The same politicians complain all the time about polarization. Well, 609 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: who the heck do you think is creating the polarization? Well, 610 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 1: isn't that the truth? Uh, this is something that's going 611 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: to come to a head this week Pennsylvania. We just learned, 612 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: by the way, while we've been on the air of 613 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: the White House and added another event. There's President's going 614 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: to Pennsylvania twice this week, not just the event you 615 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: knew about. Tomorrow's go going to Philadelphia to deliver a 616 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: speech on the battle for the soul of the nation. 617 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 1: They capitalize soul of the nation, uh in the news 618 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,799 Speaker 1: release here, Jennie. And then of course on Saturday night 619 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 1: it's the big Trump bonanza. He's holding a rally in 620 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania with all of the candidates he has endorsed, beginning 621 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 1: with Dr oz H. Pennsylvania has become the center of 622 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: the political universe here, at least for the moment. Gennie, 623 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,479 Speaker 1: What what does Joe Biden need to say there though 624 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,839 Speaker 1: that will actually help John Fetterman and other Democrats who 625 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: are running well. We hear the argument is right out 626 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 1: of the polls quite frankly, you know the leading issues 627 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: as you get below the economy and inflation for Democrats 628 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,279 Speaker 1: in particular, and this is going to be in a 629 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,879 Speaker 1: base election, turn out the vote. They are very, very 630 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,360 Speaker 1: frightened about the state of democracy in the United States, 631 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 1: and you hear it right there. They feel it is 632 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 1: under threat. We're going to see more January six hearings 633 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 1: as we move into the fall. This is all in 634 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,280 Speaker 1: keeping with the Democrats concern and that's what the President 635 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 1: is going to talk about and he's also going to 636 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,839 Speaker 1: obviously support candidates like Fetterman who are doing very very well. 637 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,359 Speaker 1: So Pennsylvania is going to be a place where he's 638 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: going to test an argument. But this is an argument 639 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: that a lot of people, and I'm talking about Democrats, 640 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 1: but you have moderates and independence. They don't want to 641 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 1: go back to the time of the you know, January 642 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,839 Speaker 1: six and and Trump in the fall um and sort 643 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 1: of the craziness. They want some normalcy. And that's what 644 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: he's going to try to promise them if they keep 645 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,320 Speaker 1: Democrats in Congress. Donald Trump will be on stage Saturday 646 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 1: with Doug Mastriano of course, uh vocal election denier and 647 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 1: now Meyer in this controversy overwearing a Confederate uniform in 648 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 1: a photograph. Whether or not that goes anywhere, Rick, I 649 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 1: don't know, but Dr Oz will be there as well. 650 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,880 Speaker 1: Does Oz need to pull away from that group to 651 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:54,799 Speaker 1: to to really kind of reinvent the narrative around his campaign. Yeah, 652 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: he needs to reinvent himself. The reality is that it 653 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,799 Speaker 1: was great to have Donald Trump endorsement to win that primary, 654 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,280 Speaker 1: and he did um and and subsequent to that, he's 655 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,320 Speaker 1: been pretty quiet when it came to Donald Trump. Probably 656 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 1: cannot avoid being on the stage with Donald and Doug Mastriano, 657 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 1: and Nat will do him no favors other than the 658 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: base counties that he's running in and he's running from behind. 659 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,800 Speaker 1: I would say the Mastriano race is probably what's driving 660 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,800 Speaker 1: Trump's interest in the state. I mean, Trump really doesn't 661 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 1: care if Mitch McConnell's majority leader again and Pennsylvania is 662 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: the state they could probably deny him that if we 663 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,879 Speaker 1: lose an existing Republican seat there. So what he really 664 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,319 Speaker 1: wants is one of his adherents, Doug Mastriano, who is 665 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: over the top mega right. He fits into that description. 666 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 1: Um if he became Pennsylvania governor, you know. I mean, 667 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: it's a green light for Donald Trump to basically say 668 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 1: all the things he said about Pennsylvania elections were true. 669 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 1: Fascinating conversation with Rick Davis and Jeanie Schanzano. Thanks to 670 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,839 Speaker 1: both of you. They'll be back throughout the week here 671 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg Sound on the Fastest Hour in politics, and 672 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: that's the baseline. That's where we start. Too bad, we 673 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,359 Speaker 1: didn't get the rocket up today. It looks like We 674 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 1: could have another launch date on Friday. I'll keep you 675 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 1: posted on that. To stay with us, I'm Joe, Matthew 676 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 1: and Washington. This is Bloomberg