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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. A parent's worst nightmare. In

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Speaker 1: the middle of the night, a stranger enters their home

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Speaker 1: and takes their three year old little girl. I Nancy Grace,

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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us

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Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation at series X one eleven. Imagine

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Speaker 1: going to bed at night. You check on your child.

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Speaker 1: Everything's fine, the lights are off, the night lights on,

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Speaker 1: They've had their bottle the Banki's over them, everything's okay,

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Speaker 1: and then you find out when you wake up your

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Speaker 1: child is gone, taken in the middle of the night.

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Speaker 1: It happens, and has just happened. Take a listen to this.

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Speaker 1: Proximately five thirty one am this morning, we had a

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Speaker 1: missing person's call to twelve eight oh three North Borough,

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Speaker 1: a missing juvenile. The parents reported that they went to

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Speaker 1: sleep out of approximately eleven eleven PM eleven thirty. They

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Speaker 1: said they woke up early this morning, the door was

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Speaker 1: in an apartment complex and after they couldn't locate them,

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Speaker 1: they called the police. You were hearing the Houston Police

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Speaker 1: Chief Troy Finner in a press conference learning the entire

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Speaker 1: community that this three year old little girl missing with

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Speaker 1: me and All Star panel to make sense of what

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Speaker 1: we know right now. But first, before I go to everyone,

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Speaker 1: I want to go to my longtime friend and colleague,

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Speaker 1: Mark Class. He is the founder of Class Kids Foundation

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Speaker 1: and you can find him at class kids dot org

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Speaker 1: and on Twitter at Polly Dad Mark Class. Sometimes, as

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Speaker 1: much as I want to hear your expertise, world renowned

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Speaker 1: don't want to dredge up when Polly went missing your daughter.

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Speaker 1: But what's the first when you hear a scenario like this,

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Speaker 1: This three year old little girl, Lindsey l I Ncy

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Speaker 1: is missing. What goes through your mind immediately? Mark, The

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Speaker 1: very very first thing that goes through my mind, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: is that that house should have been secured. There should

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Speaker 1: be no way somebody can get into a home like

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Speaker 1: the numbers that if a child is going to be

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Speaker 1: murdered as a result of one of these incidents, they're

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Speaker 1: going to be seventy four percent of the will be

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Speaker 1: dead within the first three hours, So there's absolutely no

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Speaker 1: retrieve evidence at points in other directions. So it's always

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Speaker 1: in their best interest to fully and completely cooperate with

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Speaker 1: Class is speaking from experience. His girl, Polly was taken

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Speaker 1: the goal standard of what parents should do. He was,

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Speaker 1: take my fingerprints, take anything you want off my body,

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Speaker 1: search my place, search my office, search my car, whatever

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Speaker 1: up on me. And I don't get at Mark Class.

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Speaker 1: Why all parents don't do that, I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: think there's a hesitancy sometimes. I mean, there is so

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Speaker 1: much anti law enforcement rhetoric out there today, in both

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Speaker 1: them home. And the same thing goes with the media, folks.

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Speaker 1: Everybody wants to help when a child disappears. We are

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Speaker 1: having us. You know, there are still so many questions unanswered,

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Speaker 1: psychologists joining us out of Minnesota, thirty two years and

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Speaker 1: specializing in this area. Author of physical abusers and sex offenders,

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Speaker 1: That is straight out to James shell Nutt, twenty seven

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Speaker 1: van Dam is certainly not the only child taken from

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Speaker 1: her home. Now, Danielle Vandam was taken by David Westerfield,

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Speaker 1: who lived a few houses down from the Vandam family.

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Speaker 1: Both parents were home and did not hear anyone enter.

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Speaker 1: It's believed Westerfield came through a sliding glass door that

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Speaker 1: was unlocked, which is one of the main ways people

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00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: break into homes is through sliding glass doors. They're very

435
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: easy to manipulate. David Westerfield kept Danielle alive, molesting her

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00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: for days and his RV before he was finally apprehended.

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00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 1: That leads me to another little girl. Six year old

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Speaker 1: is Sabella Seles? Take a listen to this nine one

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Speaker 1: one call and our cut seventeen. Hello, I need to

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Speaker 1: record a missing child. I believe she was adopted from

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Speaker 1: my house years old. Okays at your daughter? Yes? Why

442
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: do you think she was adopted? I have no idea.

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00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: We woke up this morning, I went to book get

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Speaker 1: her up for her baseball game, and she's gone. I

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00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: woke up my sons. We looked everywhere in the house

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00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: and my oldest son noticed that her window was wide

447
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: open and the screen was laying in the backyard. And

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00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: then the end of the story our friensic k gun

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00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: nine cut eighteen six year old Isabel Sellis Is discovered

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Speaker 1: missing from her bedroom. Her father, Sergio Sellis, calls nine

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Speaker 1: one one Saturday morning, reporting her missing. The search went

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Speaker 1: on four days, weeks than years went by. The family

453
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: invited Ka nine into their home in twenty fifteen to

454
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Speaker 1: talk about the investigation they feel was botched from the beginning.

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00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: She should have been found within the first twenty four

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00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: hours instead of wasting three days. On us March thirtieth,

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00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, investigators reveal they found her remain and Mark Class,

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Speaker 1: I'm not inferring that the Sales family withheld DNA or fingerprints,

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Speaker 1: because I don't believe that they did. I think they cooperated,

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00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: but parents have to cooperate fully so cops can move

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00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: on from them. The Sales family was in no way

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00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: responsible for their daughter's disappearance, Mark Class. That tells us

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00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: how careful parents have to be. Who is exposed to

464
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: their child, whether it's at your church, your softball team,

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00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: your neighbors. You don't know these people the way you

466
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: You don't know anybody the way you think they do.

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00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: My brain is exploding here a little bit, Nancy, because

468
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: you know Paully's killer unknown to the family walked in

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00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: through an unsecured backdoor, and the only reason he was

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00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,719
Speaker 1: detected was because he calculated incorrectly. He did not realize

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00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: there were other children in the house with Polly. He

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00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: thought he would be able to go in and grab

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Speaker 1: her and simply disappear. And if that, in fact it happened,

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00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: we never would have been able to resolve this case.

475
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: There is no crime worse against an individual than a

476
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Speaker 1: stranger abduction by one of these sexually sadistic psychopaths, by

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00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: one of these characters that have nothing more on their

478
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: mind than abusing little girls and then getting rid of

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Speaker 1: the evidence. And it's the cases you mentioned and so

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00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: many other cases that we've worked through the years. But

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00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: it just sent an absolute chill down my spine because

482
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: we can stop this, yet it continues to happen time

483
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: and time and time again. I'm thinking of another little

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00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: girl out of Florida, Hally Cummings. Take a listen to

485
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: our friends at News four. Jack's okay, all right, you

486
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: said your back door with wine open, mister Crosslin said,

487
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: when she went to bed that night in this bedroom,

488
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: Haley was sleeping right next to her. Hours of searching

489
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: turned into days, then weeks, months past and now years

490
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: there's been no sign of Haley. And the case that

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00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: has always broken my heart the case of Shania. Little

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00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: five year old Shania. Take a listen to our cut

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Speaker 1: twenty w r A l five year old Shania was

494
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: taken from this trailer park in two thousand and nine.

495
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: Her body found sixties later in a kudzoo patch. Prosecutors

496
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: saved this man, Mario McNeil, raped and killed her. He's

497
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: now on death row. Also in Shanaiah's case, the kidnap

498
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: rape her took this five year old little girl, Shanaya,

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00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: and it is seen on hotel video into a hotel room.

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00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: He's actually carrying her in his arms. He goes on

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00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: to rape, sodomize, and murder five year old Shania. It

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00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: happens so much more than we think. When parents think

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Speaker 1: they've tucked their child in and they're safely asleep, an

504
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: intruder enters and ruins their lives. Time Stories with Nancy

505
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: Grace back to Lindsey was found in the hotel room

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Speaker 1: with her t shirt and diaper on, in bed with

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Speaker 1: a complete stranger. And as Jackie has pointed out to me,

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00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: yes she was found in the hotel room and a

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00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,719
Speaker 1: T shirt and a diaper, but she was spotted on

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Speaker 1: the surveillance video leaving in pajamas, so she had been undressed.

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Speaker 1: Now take a listen to our friends at KHOU. Police

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Speaker 1: said they found her Nandez's car a few blocks from

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Speaker 1: the hotel, and when they searched the hotel, they forced

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00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: their way into the room he'd rented and put her

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00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: Nandez in custody. The judge speaking today about her Nandez's

516
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Speaker 1: bomb decision, which again is set at one million dollars.

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Speaker 1: The thak motion for a million dollars. Barnes, I'm ordered

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00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: you to surrendart now. We also viewed apartment surveillance video.

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00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: That video appears to show her Nandez in acting with

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Speaker 1: the little girl and then loading her and a small

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00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: animal into his car before taking off. What this three

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00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 1: year old girl endured in that hotel room, we may

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00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: never know. She's alive, but she will never be the

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00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 1: same again. As for the defendant, take a list of

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00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,439
Speaker 1: our friends at kPr C. An immigration hold has been

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00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: placed on fifty year old Holman her Nandez. His bond

527
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: has been set at one million dollars. The girl's family

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00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: hopes he stays in jail. He's due back in court.

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00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: You have been charge of the first degree felony. It's aggravated,

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00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: could not be. Holman Hernandez charged with aggravated kidnapping. Accused

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Speaker 1: of luring a three year old girl inside his vehicle,

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00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: abducting her from her family's apartment complex on the North Side,

533
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 1: and taking her to a motel. She was wearing long

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00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: sleeved purple pajamas at the time. To Zachary lash Way,

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Speaker 1: our special guest joining us from kp RC two Houston,

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00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: he was given a bond, yes of one million dollars.

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00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: He's expected to be back in court today that bond.

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00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: A judge could increase that amount, but as of right

539
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: now it has been set up one million dollars. What

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00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: do we know about this fifty year old Holman Hernandez.

541
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: So we still again a lot of questions surrounding him.

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00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: According to court documents, he does have a couple of

543
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: DUIs from here in Harris County. One interesting point, one

544
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: thing that we've been talking about through all of this,

545
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: we've been putting a lot of emphasis on neighbors. He

546
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 1: it should be mentioned that he only lives approximately two

547
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 1: point four miles away from where this child was abducted

548
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: at her apartment complex. That's a seven minute drive. We

549
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: do know that he brought her to a hotel, a

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00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: motel that is located one point five miles away, which

551
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: is approximately a five mild drive. One question that we

552
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: asked the mother of this child, last name is Hernandez.

553
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: We asked police if there was any known relation between

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00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: the suspect and the child. Their answer, of course, at

555
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: this point in the investigation, is no. I've heard from

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00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: multiple sources there is no relationship between the parents and

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00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: the suspect. I do know that the hotel rented the

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00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,919
Speaker 1: room to this guy, and I'm wondering if he had

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00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: the little girl with him at the time. What do

560
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: we know about that, Zachary Lashway? If anything, We do

561
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: know that he checked in at approximately seven thirty Sunday morning.

562
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: Other than that, we have not been able to get

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00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: any surveillance video from that hotel motel, but we do

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Speaker 1: know this is approximately two hours after the parents noticed

565
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 1: she was missing early Sunday morning. So let me stand

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00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 1: they sat in the car for a long period of

567
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: time before they left. Yeah, that's that's what that video shows.

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00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 1: That's what that video is showing with a girl on

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Speaker 1: his lap. To Paul zyke Way, Yeah, I believe it

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00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: was an hour that she little girl was on his lap,

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00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: which really, you know, throws up a lot of red flags.

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00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: I mean, normally these types of situations rapidly end. So

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00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 1: the fact that he was hanging out in the car

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00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: and then went to a motel and kind of nonchalantly

575
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: went about this. You know, we got lucky law enforcement.

576
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 1: The family ever get lucky on this case that this

577
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: individual did all those things. If not, this would be

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00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 1: a matter of where is she or a recovered body.

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Speaker 1: Scott Johnson way in, Yeah, I mean I agree with that.

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00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: I mean there's a psychopaths who's calm, premeditated and not

581
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: concerned about getting caught, taking this time doing what he

582
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: wants to do, so a very dangerous man. McCarey is yeah,

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Speaker 1: I want to echo what Scott said. I think from

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Speaker 1: the parents perspective, they put her to sleep, they woke

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00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: up a minute later, they called law enforcement. I do

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00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: want to say, you know, the suspect appeared to be

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00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: with her in the car. You know, son son is

588
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: coming out, People are getting back out into the world.

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00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: He escapes with her to a local hotel. I also

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Speaker 1: want to add one other thing. We were talking about

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00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: what he could possibly doing with this child in the room.

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00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: I want to throw one other thing out there. We

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00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: are seeing the exploitation of children online rapidly increased. So

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Speaker 1: did he potentially sexually assault her, You know, without question,

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00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: that is a huge potential. But he also might have

596
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Speaker 1: been taking photos of her or videos of her for

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Speaker 1: other you know, money making agendas, and that is something

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00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: we're seeing more and more. Unfortunately, it is horrific and disgusting,

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00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: but something we want people to be aware of. James

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00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: shall not. Let's also not overlook the possibility that sometimes

601
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Speaker 1: young children are sold into the sex trafficking tride. I

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00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if this was an option to Chilma

603
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: was considering. And like somebody would say previously, this is

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00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: the exception to the rule. And I hope that whoever

605
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: was responsible for this little girl at the time that

606
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,919
Speaker 1: she was taken, that this is a wake up call

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00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: for them if they realized they got luck a wake

608
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: up call too late. Mark class final thought, Well, of

609
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: course it's a wake up call. Not only does those parents,

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00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 1: but to everybody. But I think the good use here,

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Speaker 1: the silver lining is that it's almost impossible to escape

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00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 1: the glare of surveillance cameras anymore. They're absolutely ubiquitous, even

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Speaker 1: on our doors. So I would hope that those individuals

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00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: who would be even considering doing something like this will

615
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: keep it in their mind that you can run. But

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00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: the reality is that it's much much more difficult to

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00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: hide now than it's ever been before, and that these

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00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 1: kinds of technologies are going to help us solve these

619
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Speaker 1: cases and more and more little children will be brought home.

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Speaker 1: Wait wait as justice unfalls. Nancy Grace comes to our

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Speaker 1: signing off. Goodbye friend,