Speaker 1: Wind Down with Javin Kramer and Michael Coffin and I'm
Speaker 1: her radio podcast The Black Market and Nails.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird because I feel like, oh, sorry, before
Speaker 2: we started this episode, I was showing everyone my nails
Speaker 2: over zoom because I just got my nails done and
Speaker 2: very festive, might iadd very christmasy.
Speaker 3: But you didn't even get them done. You got them did?
Speaker 2: I got them did? But Mark and them we're saying
Speaker 2: that there's no nail salons. I forgot that. You guys
Speaker 2: are in full lockdown in La pretty much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you want to get your hair done, you
Speaker 4: got to go to some back alley, your garage somewhere
Speaker 4: where somebody will do it on the down low.
Speaker 2: I just, I mean, I don't know. It's I just
Speaker 2: I don't know. It just sucks. I mean because we're
Speaker 2: not really going out out. I mean we've we've we're
Speaker 2: doing a few things for the kids, but we're limiting
Speaker 2: like who we see. But I feel like when we
Speaker 2: when I do do the nails, and I guess that's
Speaker 2: going out. But I mean, you know, you're wearing the
Speaker 2: mask and you're like, is this really doing anything? But
Speaker 2: I still wear it and honestly, now, I kind of
Speaker 2: love the mask because it's cold, so I like, I
Speaker 2: find myself like leaving Whole Foods or wherever and still
Speaker 2: have the mask on because I'm like, this is actually
Speaker 2: kind of cozy, Like I like it. So I'm complying
Speaker 2: with no issues because it's freezing in Nashville right now. Yeah, finally,
Speaker 2: everything is so cold. And we just had our hvat
Speaker 2: guy because our poor son's room is uh he woke up.
Speaker 2: I mean literally like like he's the only house like
Speaker 2: the only room in the house where it's you walk
Speaker 2: in and it's like fifty degrees and I've just some
Speaker 2: like listen, people, you've come five times now, I'm like,
Speaker 2: you are not leaving until there is warm air blowing
Speaker 2: out of my son's vent And they're like, just leave
Speaker 2: the door open, and I was.
Speaker 3: Like, that's not the right answer. Fix it now, poor
Speaker 3: little guy. I wish I could sleep out there some
Speaker 3: days because it's so chilly and I love it, go
Speaker 3: for it. But I think we have it text hopefully
Speaker 3: we'll find out tonight.
Speaker 2: It's whenever I hear that people don't sleep in the
Speaker 2: same room, it makes me sad, But at the same time,
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's because they're maybe not connected. But I
Speaker 2: would be fine if we like did our thing in
Speaker 2: bed and cuddled and then it's like okay, good night,
Speaker 2: and then like you go to the other room. Because
Speaker 2: I really like to spread out, you know, like I
Speaker 2: really like to just like starfishes when she Yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't like to just be, you know, just in the corner.
Speaker 2: So sometimes it's really nice when we get into a
Speaker 2: fight and I'm like, they go to the other room.
Speaker 4: A lot of new homes are being built with two
Speaker 4: master bedrooms.
Speaker 5: It's a definite trend in this direction.
Speaker 2: But I feel like that could be bad though, too,
Speaker 2: unless like if you're not having the connection time before
Speaker 2: you go to the other room, does that make sense?
Speaker 2: Like I know a couple that doesn't do any connection
Speaker 2: time before they go to their separate suites. I mean
Speaker 2: it kind of makes sense, Like, you know, I do
Speaker 2: like having someone next to me though, but every once
Speaker 2: in a while it's maybe like hey, every Monday, like
Speaker 2: you don't sleep in bed.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not opposed, but the whole trend of
Speaker 3: this being a thing, I mean, that's just dividing.
Speaker 2: No, that doesn't seem.
Speaker 3: That's Yeah, that's just putting a bigger wedge in relationships
Speaker 3: and monogamy, I feel like, because even sometimes it's those
Speaker 3: things where you go to bed and just knowing the
Speaker 3: other person's right next to you. Otherwise it might feel
Speaker 3: like an apartment, you know what I mean. If like
Speaker 3: you go to the other room and you have this
Speaker 3: whole other setup and every night you're pretty much doing
Speaker 3: your own routine, that'll just feel weird.
Speaker 5: That's why I take a lot of comfort in her
Speaker 5: being there.
Speaker 4: That's why I say I don't like sleeping alone, because
Speaker 4: I really like looking over and having her next to me.
Speaker 4: But to underscore my point, Architectural Digest this year called
Speaker 4: it the hottest new trend in home building double master bedrooms.
Speaker 2: Wow, what a fresh topic. We didn't even know we were
Speaker 2: going to get onto. That's so interesting, you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: definitely interesting. But then when I say that I could
Speaker 2: fall asleep cut like laying on top of you, Like
Speaker 2: I love cuddling and falling asleep, but that's not really
Speaker 2: your thing. So I've kind of morphed into like, okay,
Speaker 2: like you can go then if you want.
Speaker 3: If I can't cut and fall asleep when you I'm out.
Speaker 2: I want to starfish get out of their room.
Speaker 3: That's so interesting. What is this? According to a twenty
Speaker 3: seventeen survey from the National Sleep Foundation, almost one in
Speaker 3: four married coupled sleep and separate bedrooms.
Speaker 2: I don't. I bet it's probably like because they're I
Speaker 2: will say this, I if you snored, I could not
Speaker 2: sleep in the same room.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right back at you, Like I'd be like, you have.
Speaker 2: To leave because that would just be or if you
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: If I have a zero tolerance policy when it comes
Speaker 3: to story.
Speaker 2: Okay, mister e snore, wait more.
Speaker 3: But if I do, it's because I'm really, really, really,
Speaker 3: really really tired.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: My two roommates in college once we're all was off campus,
Speaker 3: so the way our townhouse was set up, all was
Speaker 3: on the main floor. We had a basement, and their
Speaker 3: two rooms were across from each other, above me, and
Speaker 3: they both snore so bad you would think they're faking
Speaker 3: it right, Like it was literally like you can't be asleep.
Speaker 3: There's no way they're asleep because the story is that bad.
Speaker 3: And they would be and it's like they would compete
Speaker 3: with each other out here one in one room. You'd
Speaker 3: be loud. The other one would get louder and just escalate.
Speaker 3: And my room's underneath them. This is college housing, right,
Speaker 3: so it's not like you can hear everything in every room.
Speaker 3: And I would get upset with them. I oufter go
Speaker 3: upstairs and wake their asses up, because I'm like, I
Speaker 3: can hear you downstairs, like, stop snoring. Wake them up,
Speaker 3: so I could try to go back downstairs fall asleep
Speaker 3: before they start storing again. I hate it.
Speaker 2: Is it like your vomiting noise? Like it's so overdone
Speaker 2: that like it's like I'm vaking it. It's like you're
Speaker 2: vaking it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Anyways, let's take a break and I have another
Speaker 3: topic I want to bring up. Oh, okay, So the
Speaker 3: topic I want to bring up. I've read something on
Speaker 3: this recently. I didn't really read any like facts.
Speaker 2: About it or I didn't really read it, but I read,
Speaker 2: but just the.
Speaker 3: Topic of it was interesting to me. And what was
Speaker 3: something that you used to hate that now you love running? Running?
Speaker 3: Yeah that was easy. Yeah, scary movies and in the
Speaker 3: course of our relationship, like I've hated them, but I
Speaker 3: want to watch them more. One thing I refuse to
Speaker 3: what happens to like mustard.
Speaker 2: No, never, oh never. We are a no mustard house.
Speaker 2: No mustard is allowed. If we have burgers. We even
Speaker 2: say to people, b yo, m because we will not
Speaker 2: have it.
Speaker 3: No, we do not purchase. We do not waste hard
Speaker 3: earn money on mustard. But you know, another one for
Speaker 3: you is that I thought you're gonna say it's beats.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well okay, I didn't know like food anything.
Speaker 2: Oh right, but that's not where like my mind didn't
Speaker 2: go to like food, you know. Ye, No, I like
Speaker 2: love beats now. I used to hate beats. Now I like.
Speaker 2: But they say your taste buds and I could be wrong,
Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong, Becky, But your taste buds
Speaker 2: change every seven years, so something that you might so
Speaker 2: maybe mustard. I mean, we don't know, never refuse. But
Speaker 2: I didn't think I would like beats. And then all
Speaker 2: of a sudden I had this make this beat carrot
Speaker 2: goat cheese thing and it was the best thing I
Speaker 2: ever had in my entire life. And now I have it.
Speaker 2: I almost have it.
Speaker 3: Anytime I go to the store. She's like, don't forget
Speaker 3: to get my beats. Like she's like like like she's
Speaker 3: loved them. For ten years. It's just like you forgot
Speaker 3: my beats. You know, my mom has got to have
Speaker 3: her beats. I'm like, you just started liking them yesterday.
Speaker 2: Anything you guys can think of for.
Speaker 6: Me, cooking in general, I was not confident in it
Speaker 6: for the very long time, and just this year I
Speaker 6: got to be feeling good about it and I really
Speaker 6: enjoy it, and it's something I really like.
Speaker 2: So just cooking, cooking, I like it.
Speaker 5: Mine is musicals.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 4: My wife brings it up sometimes because when we first
Speaker 4: got together, I was like, no way, no, how Once
Speaker 4: I started singing, I'm out. Now I find them delightful.
Speaker 4: They bring me great joy. And maybe part of it
Speaker 4: is my daughter is so in the broad Away and whatnot.
Speaker 4: But I feel like the transition had already started before that.
Speaker 4: I really enjoy a good musical.
Speaker 3: Is there one in particular that kind of what do
Speaker 3: you remember the first one that you're like, hmm, it's
Speaker 3: not that bad?
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 4: Wicked was probably a pretty big turning point for me
Speaker 4: because I thought that was pretty spectacular.
Speaker 3: And you saw the Broadway show.
Speaker 5: In La the Pantagious, Yeah, major, Can you.
Speaker 2: Here's my question? Can you watch them on like a movie.
Speaker 5: Yes, I loved La La Land.
Speaker 3: We couldn't get through the first like ten minutes.
Speaker 2: Wow, which is okay, maybe we should go back and
Speaker 2: watch Lalla Land. I mean we didn't. We ended within yeah,
Speaker 2: like five minutes. We're like, not a thing.
Speaker 3: It's funny you say that, though, Mark, because literally last night.
Speaker 2: Whatever night we were fighting last night.
Speaker 3: Or the night before, I don't know, it's sorry to
Speaker 3: keep track. Yeah, I'm a gambling man. Good odds here, Jana.
Speaker 3: I was on my phone. Jana comes in and starts
Speaker 3: going on Netflix and turns on the prom with James
Speaker 3: Corbt or what's the name Corbyn and Meryl Streep and
Speaker 3: all them turns it on.
Speaker 2: As the minute that I didn't know what it was about.
Speaker 2: I just was like, oh, Meryl Street, Nicole kidman, I
Speaker 2: have a story about that, by the way, but go ahead.
Speaker 3: And as soon as they get to like the third
Speaker 3: note of the opening song, she clicks out of it next.
Speaker 2: And I was like, I can't do this. But today
Speaker 2: when I was running on the treadmill and I was like, ugh,
Speaker 2: like I got nothing else to do while I'm running,
Speaker 2: I'll watch it. It's hilarious, really, Ryan Murphy. Have you
Speaker 2: seen it?
Speaker 4: No, but I'd like to wait, is it appropriate like
Speaker 4: my daughter if I love it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's about this girl who is lesbian take a
Speaker 2: same section with girls and wants to take her partner
Speaker 2: to the prom and they cancel prom and so they
Speaker 2: make this huge deal about it. And then the Broadway
Speaker 2: stars because Meryl Streep and Nicole Kidman and James Corbyn
Speaker 2: are these Broadway stars but their showed is really bad,
Speaker 2: so they're trying to redeem theirselves. But the numbers are hilarious,
Speaker 2: like they're they're making jokes about like just Broadway in general,
Speaker 2: and then just other things. It's really funny. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I actually kind of want to go back. And because
Speaker 2: I was, I'm out there after we got into a
Speaker 2: fight this morning, I'm like out there like wiping tears
Speaker 2: and going, oh, this is actually really funny.
Speaker 3: Going from laughing and crying, crying to laughing.
Speaker 2: So I was like, this is actually really good. So
Speaker 2: I want to actually want to watch it with you,
Speaker 2: because I think you would laugh at some of the
Speaker 2: parts because they're like, it's just funny.
Speaker 3: I'll watch it. I never have have had anything against musicals,
Speaker 3: Broadway shows, I love I have always have huge fan
Speaker 3: of them. I'll go to any Broadway show. Book of
Speaker 3: Mormon is one.
Speaker 2: The Mormons is our favorite.
Speaker 8: I have.
Speaker 3: Tears belly laughing when we went and saw that. We
Speaker 3: saw that at Pantages.
Speaker 2: And if anyone goes, yeah to Pantages. I don't know
Speaker 2: if Broadways shoes are Are they even open right now?
Speaker 2: Oh it's gut wrenching. We're in a pandemic news flash,
Speaker 2: reality check. Yeah. Crazy, But Book of Mormons is by
Speaker 2: far my favorite. I mean I was like bawling, crying.
Speaker 5: I love that.
Speaker 4: Love Jersey Boys, I mean Hamilton. I just sat on
Speaker 4: Disney Plus and it was phenomenal.
Speaker 2: So we were going to get tickets to Hamilton, but
Speaker 2: it was too expensive. I was like, I can't, Okay,
Speaker 2: is it still it's good over because it's long.
Speaker 8: Right, it is long.
Speaker 5: But I really enjoyed it on Disney Plus.
Speaker 4: We had tickets for it this past July or whatever,
Speaker 4: and then all got canceled.
Speaker 5: So my daughter was pretty devastating about that. So we're
Speaker 5: gonna hopefully check it out once everything's up and running again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have an appointment. Uh uh what No, I
Speaker 2: just said we have an appointment.
Speaker 3: Uh oh, an appointment to talk to the doctor.
Speaker 9: Yeah about number.
Speaker 2: Three, Mark, what are you doing. It's just a conversation.
Speaker 3: We're just weighing options.
Speaker 4: But you both seem interested and excited, Like I don't
Speaker 4: see any kind of bristling on either side.
Speaker 2: It was actually I wanted one, he didn't, and then
Speaker 2: I was like fine, and then it was once I
Speaker 2: felt good about it, then he was like I really
Speaker 2: want another one, and I was like, oh, like what
Speaker 2: where's this. Where's this coming from.
Speaker 3: It's coming from Jase getting bigger, and.
Speaker 2: But that's the reason not to have a third one.
Speaker 2: They say like, don't do it because you want baby.
Speaker 3: Trust me, it's no. I know that's what you've been saying.
Speaker 3: You're like, I want a baby or a puppy.
Speaker 8: Give me.
Speaker 3: The fact that you can weigh the two in the
Speaker 3: same category is not not.
Speaker 7: Here's the thing.
Speaker 2: I don't want the baby because I'm thinking about it
Speaker 2: and I'm saying like, I'm not just wanting like a baby.
Speaker 2: Because the other day we were at you know, we
Speaker 2: went to see the lights and took the kids sledding,
Speaker 2: and it's like, man, they're good right now. Can you
Speaker 2: imagine a third baby, A third kid would be fun, right.
Speaker 3: And that's the thing too. I think that people especially,
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, people in our situation that might
Speaker 3: look past the infant stage where it's you know, Jolie
Speaker 3: is going to be five, Jason's two. They're getting those
Speaker 3: prime ages of like doing all this stuff right, going
Speaker 3: to see light shows, going to Christmas things, trying and
Speaker 3: doing all these fun activities because they both can enjoy
Speaker 3: it now. And then it's like, if if we end
Speaker 3: up having a third, we're not going to sacrifice Jolie
Speaker 3: and Jason's enjoyment. So we're just having to be lugging
Speaker 3: a third along for the ride.
Speaker 2: Here a kid, take your bottle. Yeah, I love babies though,
Speaker 2: they're so sweet.
Speaker 3: I see why parents Just the more kids you have,
Speaker 3: the more lenient you get later on because you're just
Speaker 3: like whatever here you want to eat now, shore you
Speaker 3: want to eat later? Whatever, here's some cheerios at it, dude.
Speaker 2: So having o'clock of.
Speaker 3: Nights like fish food just a little bit each day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see though, Mark and Easton and Becky, you
Speaker 2: guys will be the first to know, I hope.
Speaker 5: So that's exciting. I mean, you got to think about it.
Speaker 4: A family of five is different in terms of restaurants,
Speaker 4: getting out a roller coaster, in terms of your car,
Speaker 4: in terms of making Jason the middle child, like, there's
Speaker 4: all kinds of stuff I think.
Speaker 2: Through here, so I would want two more. Okay, I
Speaker 2: don't know though it I'll I mean, Becky just said
Speaker 2: your babysit, so that's good news. She lives in California.
Speaker 2: A little small, small issue.
Speaker 3: It's fine, you know. The other day too, I had
Speaker 3: the kids in the morning and I went and ransom
Speaker 3: errands with them and had both of them, and it
Speaker 3: was great. The kids were awesome, They behaved. I went
Speaker 3: took them to home depot and had them on one
Speaker 3: of like the push cars, and they both sat on
Speaker 3: there as good as could be. They loved it. They're
Speaker 3: like tired of the old shopping cart. Just I just
Speaker 3: got to start taking them to home beepo and pushing
Speaker 3: them on one of those. And I came back and
Speaker 3: told Jane. I was like, you know, it was so
Speaker 3: great having them. They were so good. I was like,
Speaker 3: but if I were I started picturing if I was
Speaker 3: holding a car sheet right now, or holding like a
Speaker 3: baby carrier right now while I'm pushing the other kids,
Speaker 3: I was like, that would be a lot, It's a
Speaker 3: lot to think about.
Speaker 4: Well later today we have an email from somebody who's
Speaker 4: in a similar situation, but they are not on the
Speaker 4: same page as their spouse.
Speaker 2: Chilli. I don't know though, I mean because we have
Speaker 2: to just I mean, the other thing to discuss is
Speaker 2: like I had hyperremess with jas and pretty much Jolie too.
Speaker 2: I'm mean, I puked all the way and we've had miscarriages,
Speaker 2: so I'm like, you know, we've even talked about maybe
Speaker 2: not carrying because if we have one shot at it,
Speaker 2: my body's probably not the body to carry it with
Speaker 2: all the miscarriages and you know, so it but yeah,
Speaker 2: we're just we're just gonna talk about all our options
Speaker 2: and then put it on the table and drink a
Speaker 2: lot of wine and then figure it out. You know.
Speaker 3: That's where we do things.
Speaker 2: What's the email? I want it. Let's do that, do
Speaker 2: it now? Yeah, we don't formats bother me.
Speaker 3: Structure. I want structure.
Speaker 2: Structure.
Speaker 3: Jillian.
Speaker 4: My husband and I have been married for four years
Speaker 4: and together for ten. We have a two year old daughter,
Speaker 4: and my husband has recently made it very clear that
Speaker 4: he doesn't want any more children. I am heartbroken knowing
Speaker 4: that I will have no more babies and my daughter
Speaker 4: will not have a sibling.
Speaker 5: When I bring up my disappointment.
Speaker 4: All he says is that it's too much to handle
Speaker 4: and that he doesn't know what else to say.
Speaker 5: I'm lost. I don't know where to go from here.
Speaker 5: I love my husband.
Speaker 4: I don't want to split up my family, but I
Speaker 4: don't think I can accept having an only child without
Speaker 4: feeling resentful for the rest of my life.
Speaker 2: There it is the word I was going to bring up.
Speaker 2: She's going to be so resentful. And nothing against only children.
Speaker 2: I mean my cousin's and only child. He's the you know,
Speaker 2: they turn out fine, but there is something like I
Speaker 2: that would really be tough for me, because I think,
Speaker 2: if anything, like it's easier having too because they play
Speaker 2: together one.
Speaker 3: Hundred per se.
Speaker 2: They entertain each other.
Speaker 3: Once the other one gets to like two years old,
Speaker 3: they'll sit there and play with each.
Speaker 2: Other, Like we have mad breaks right now with Jason Jolie,
Speaker 2: Like will we get like sometimes fifteen minutes where they
Speaker 2: just play together and we're like, this is amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And we'll go play like Monopoly deal real quick.
Speaker 2: We will. So it's like, and you don't want to
Speaker 2: be resentful. I mean, I'm not saying to leave your husband,
Speaker 2: but you need to really tell him.
Speaker 3: Why has a husband say it's too much to handle.
Speaker 2: Just have them listened to this podcast and they'll say, hello, husband,
Speaker 2: it's not too much to handle. They're going to play together.
Speaker 3: It's not you, it's you're thinking in you're thinking short term. Yeah, husband,
Speaker 3: you're thinking of I get it, the sleepless nights, that
Speaker 3: when the babies cry and all that stuff. I get it.
Speaker 3: Having two is hard. But once you get past us
Speaker 3: first eighteen months, it's amazing.
Speaker 2: Once you get past the first like I'm.
Speaker 3: Saying, when they start, oh yeah, when they start sleeping again,
Speaker 3: it's it's a game changer. But when they're starting to
Speaker 3: play together, it's not just for our own benefit, but
Speaker 3: for their benefit to see that. I mean, Jason Joly
Speaker 3: interact with each other, and Jace just be a little
Speaker 3: pest little brother and wrestle Jolie.
Speaker 2: And I wonder if I wonder if there's a survey
Speaker 2: out there where it's like they surveyed single only children
Speaker 2: and ask them would you have wanted a sibling. I
Speaker 2: bet you they would say yes. You know, it's almost
Speaker 2: like you're doing it for the kid too.
Speaker 3: I thought you're going to go a different direction and
Speaker 3: say they surveyed only children and said how much of
Speaker 3: how many of you are psychopaths or sociopathic or serial
Speaker 3: killers or okay, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Like I said, Carl is an only child, and he's you.
Speaker 3: Know, but I because Uncle Ray is like a brother.
Speaker 2: Right, but he I think maybe he took that role
Speaker 2: because they wish they would have had more kids, you know,
Speaker 2: so I think, but you don't want to wait too long.
Speaker 2: So I feel like, if you have a two year old,
Speaker 2: they have a two year old, right, you should just
Speaker 2: be like, listen, buddy. But here's the problem. You don't
Speaker 2: want him to be resentful that he has another one
Speaker 2: when he really doesn't want another one. So then it's
Speaker 2: just going to be resentment ali with both people.
Speaker 3: He's not gonna he'll get over that. He's gonna hold
Speaker 3: that little baby and he'll be like, all right.
Speaker 5: I think so too.
Speaker 4: But also we're dad's and we have numerous children, so
Speaker 4: I don't know, and everybody's different. This is a really
Speaker 4: hard one because she's clearly, according to this email, has
Speaker 4: given thought to leaving her husband over this, and I
Speaker 4: wonder if she's communicated that to him.
Speaker 5: I wonder if he realizes.
Speaker 4: How passionate she is about this, because guys like you
Speaker 4: said thanks short term, Oh it's.
Speaker 5: Gonna be a hassle. Yeah, it is gonna be a hassle.
Speaker 5: But then that hassle is going to be behind you.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 8: I think make it clear to.
Speaker 5: Him this is probably a terrible idea. You're welcome to
Speaker 5: tell me that. Is there a negotiation to be made.
Speaker 2: Here, like I'll have sex with you every day if
Speaker 2: you give me another baby, like that kind of negotiation,
Speaker 2: because I had a friend that got a puppy and
Speaker 2: made that deal and she has not love you boo boo,
Speaker 2: like she has not done what she's not held up
Speaker 2: her under the bargain.
Speaker 4: I was thinking more like, ask him what's the biggest
Speaker 4: house is are going to be and tell him you'll
Speaker 4: take care of it. And maybe maybe that's a terrible idea,
Speaker 4: like that should definitely be a team effort. But maybe
Speaker 4: it's the late night feedings you promise that he doesn't
Speaker 4: have to deal with it, or maybe he sit in
Speaker 4: a separate bedroom for the first year. I don't know,
Speaker 4: but maybe there's a path where you figure out what
Speaker 4: he's most concerned about and try to alleviate it.
Speaker 3: For I think that's a great idea. Actually, what's your
Speaker 3: biggest fear about having another and how.
Speaker 2: Can I, you know, help help that, because, like he said,
Speaker 2: it seems like it's going to be a lot. Well,
Speaker 2: there you go. You're just saying, what is a lot?
Speaker 2: Because I can do that and moms can do it all.
Speaker 3: That you can.
Speaker 2: I will say, I appreciate you foolding the kid's laundry.
Speaker 2: I feel like that's karma for the one out of
Speaker 2: five hundred times. And I love how you do it too,
Speaker 2: Like you like make all the noise in the room
Speaker 2: when you're folding the laundry because you want me to
Speaker 2: see that you did the kid's laundry. And that was
Speaker 2: what the most annoying part of the entire thing was.
Speaker 2: I'm like, wow, honey, you want me to say thank
Speaker 2: you for the one time out of five hundred that
Speaker 2: you did the kid's laundry.
Speaker 3: Oh, strategic boys, I did it when she was mad
Speaker 3: at me.
Speaker 5: What noises are you making?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 9: How do you make noise?
Speaker 2: Like throwing the clothes?
Speaker 8: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Just like really yeah, really making long, big arm movements.
Speaker 2: When he folds our little baby two te pajamas.
Speaker 3: You'd have thought all was folding flags and sheets in here,
Speaker 3: baby whipping bedcovers and stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, with kids, jam And I knew what you were doing.
Speaker 2: You did it on the day that we were fighting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, It's like, she can't be that mad at me.
Speaker 3: I'm doing the kid's laundry.
Speaker 5: Suck it.
Speaker 2: Strategy, boys, what were we even fighting about?
Speaker 3: I don't know who knows, No one ever knows. She
Speaker 3: comes with a marriage territory, all right. So we have
Speaker 3: a guest coming up here soon, Leanne Lockin, who a
Speaker 3: couple of years ago. Yeah, she was. We had her
Speaker 3: on the show in the early days. And she's a
Speaker 3: real housewife or was a real housewife of Dallas and
Speaker 3: she recently left the show. So we're gonna have her
Speaker 3: on and talk about that.
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Speaker 2: Hikuti. Hi, how are you? Are you drinking a mountain dew?
Speaker 3: That's amazing?
Speaker 4: I love you.
Speaker 7: I used to you know it has It has tripled
Speaker 7: the caffeine of any other soft drink.
Speaker 2: I used to drink those, the ruby redkind in high school.
Speaker 2: Every single day I get one. I love those nine
Speaker 2: in the morning.
Speaker 3: So many cavities, Okay, let's not.
Speaker 7: You can get diet though, and it has the same
Speaker 7: amount of caffeine with no sugar.
Speaker 2: I stop drinking pop like a pop you know? I
Speaker 2: like a diet coke is that I'll do a fountain
Speaker 2: drink every once while I don't drink caffeine. So mountain
Speaker 2: dew you can have. You can't have caffeine free anyways. Hi,
Speaker 2: how are you? Your Christmas setup looks beautiful?
Speaker 7: I have a little elf here.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: How is how's how's quarantine? Four years marriage going awesome?
Speaker 7: Aw I gotta tell you, you know, I'm the kind
Speaker 7: of person that I'm always gone. I mean, last time
Speaker 7: I saw you, I was there and being forced to
Speaker 7: stay home and like, look at every corner of my
Speaker 7: house while I constantly have to remind myself it's okay,
Speaker 7: take your time.
Speaker 9: I'm enjoying the hell out of redoing everything.
Speaker 7: I mean, my husband maybe not so much.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 3: I feel like that's why there's a home goods store
Speaker 3: or tej Max. I think it is right outside this
Speaker 3: little my gym place our kids go to, And every
Speaker 3: time I leave, that store is opening, and there's always
Speaker 3: a line outside the door. And I'm like, it's probably
Speaker 3: because everyone's just redoing everything in their house.
Speaker 7: You know what, I will say this, I have a
Speaker 7: lot of people who are like in construction, and so
Speaker 7: during the summer when COVID first hit the summertime, everybody
Speaker 7: was like putting him. You can't even schedule to get
Speaker 7: a pool put in your house right now because they're
Speaker 7: so backed up on orders. So people were putting in
Speaker 7: pools and redoing their outdoors. I redid an entire I
Speaker 7: have like a half fake or so one half of
Speaker 7: my yard. I'd never even touched that patio before, because
Speaker 7: of course we focused on the pool side and I
Speaker 7: fixed it all up. I used reclaimed ship black wood
Speaker 7: and put up a stucco wall, and it's I loved
Speaker 7: every second of it. My husband cannot say the same.
Speaker 7: I have several pictures of him going like.
Speaker 2: This, do you miss not being on the show?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 2: No, is it one of those things? Where do you
Speaker 2: Because there was backlash like do you do you regret?
Speaker 2: Do you regret any part of it?
Speaker 7: I mean, I think all human regret things. If you
Speaker 7: don't regret, you're basically just an ass right, So certainly
Speaker 7: there are things that I regret. But I also I
Speaker 7: will say this, there are a lot of things that
Speaker 7: got twisted and are so you know what's hard for
Speaker 7: me is and I feel this so deeply. And maybe
Speaker 7: it's because I live with you know, an ex law
Speaker 7: man who you know, first responder, but I get so
Speaker 7: tired of sheic. I want independent, educated thinkers, and so
Speaker 7: it gets sometimes it can be a little overwhelming to
Speaker 7: not to have a conversation with someone that's just guided
Speaker 7: by what they saw.
Speaker 9: And not by what reality really is.
Speaker 3: How's it been. I know, you know, you quoted saying
Speaker 3: part of the reason you left the show is to
Speaker 3: spend more time and focus time on your husband and
Speaker 3: family and everything like that. How's it been with you know,
Speaker 3: being recently married in the spring, and really it's like,
Speaker 3: all right, pandemic time, you really get that call time?
Speaker 7: Yeah you do, Hi, honey, how are you gonna?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 7: You know, I will say my husband is really kind
Speaker 7: of a genius, not really kind of. He really is
Speaker 7: a genius. He quarantines himself in his man cave, and
Speaker 7: he he has since the pandemic hit. He was just like, look,
Speaker 7: we can beat up each other's butt twenty four to
Speaker 7: seven and you know, just do this little or we
Speaker 7: can set time that we There are projects we work
Speaker 7: on together, there are projects that we work on independently.
Speaker 7: But it's just really been a bunch of like love
Speaker 7: on the house, love on each other. It's funny, you know,
Speaker 7: if we get to a point where we're ready to
Speaker 7: pull each other's hair out, He'll just like order a
Speaker 7: meal in and a bottle of wine, and.
Speaker 9: I'm happy.
Speaker 2: I feel like that's got to be hard to when
Speaker 2: when he said that they twist things, and I think
Speaker 2: it's that's where I don't think I could ever do
Speaker 2: a reality show because you don't really have that full
Speaker 2: control be able to go.
Speaker 9: You have no control.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like no control.
Speaker 7: You are who you are and that doesn't matter. They
Speaker 7: will make you who they need.
Speaker 9: You to be for the show.
Speaker 2: And yeah, that's just got to like that just has
Speaker 2: to be just soul sucking.
Speaker 7: It can be when they.
Speaker 9: Take it too far, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 7: And the problem I think that you have is, especially
Speaker 7: with a city like Dallas, you know, there isn't a
Speaker 7: lot of storyline.
Speaker 9: So because there wasn't a lot of storyline, I.
Speaker 7: Ended up having to be a lot of other people's storyline,
Speaker 7: which is just exhausting. I mean, I do believe I
Speaker 7: have the most famous unexhausted line ever, but I mean
Speaker 7: it like it can get exhausting. And I knew that
Speaker 7: as long as I stayed, I would continue to be
Speaker 7: the target.
Speaker 9: And I just book break cut the tie.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's it's like you don't want to be there,
Speaker 2: and it's like you can if that's like your frame,
Speaker 2: and it's like okay, great, like you're I'm going to
Speaker 2: be the villain I don't care, like, you know, cash
Speaker 2: the checks goodbye, But when you have that, I personally
Speaker 2: couldn't do it because it's just like I want too
Speaker 2: many people to know my heart and know my you know,
Speaker 2: the reasoning for things, and if it's always being twisted
Speaker 2: like I would just be, I could see how that
Speaker 2: would cause a strain in my marriage and just in
Speaker 2: general and work in life like that would be really tough.
Speaker 2: So do you still talk to any of the girls.
Speaker 7: Yeah? I do, Yeah, I do. I mean, I will
Speaker 7: say that last season was my hardest, both in my
Speaker 7: marriage and personally. And you know, it's just really devastating
Speaker 7: what people are willing to say about.
Speaker 9: You and you have no control over it.
Speaker 7: So I think, yeah, I think since leaving the show,
Speaker 7: my marriage and my home life and my friends, Oh
Speaker 7: my god, my friends. Can I just tell you when
Speaker 7: the season ended and everybody's like, who's going to come back?
Speaker 7: Who's going to come back? I legit. I had a
Speaker 7: friend invention where all my friends came over and they
Speaker 7: were like, Leanne, we love you, we just got you back.
Speaker 7: You're funny again, You're lighthearted. We don't want to see
Speaker 7: you go through that anymore. We don't want to listen
Speaker 7: to you cry for another year. We just don't you
Speaker 7: deserve better. And you know what's funny is when you say, like,
Speaker 7: cash the check and just not worry about it. Well,
Speaker 7: that would be great if I had like an Atlanta
Speaker 7: household check, but I don't. I had a Dallas check
Speaker 7: and the ratings are barely higher than Salt Lakes.
Speaker 9: So you can imagine it went.
Speaker 2: Very big, right, I guess, like you can look at it,
Speaker 2: it's like, okay, then you use it to like build
Speaker 2: a brand. But at the same time, you're like, is
Speaker 2: that even worth it at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean you see how fast things can
Speaker 2: your brands. If you get canceled off a show, your
Speaker 2: brand can go away. The same time, well, I think
Speaker 2: I will say this.
Speaker 7: You say, I'm sure, stay on and build a brand.
Speaker 7: But if you're on and the choices they may are
Speaker 7: to show you in a light or twist you into
Speaker 7: something that nobody wants a piece of that brand, well
Speaker 7: then what's the purpose. So now you're barely making six
Speaker 7: figures and your brand and your name are in the
Speaker 7: gutter because of what other people have decided to say
Speaker 7: about you. Whether it's fact or not doesn't matter. The
Speaker 7: truth doesn't matter in reality TV.
Speaker 2: Okay, so leanne on a positive note, are what do
Speaker 2: you want to do now? Like, what's your vision for
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one with everything that you know you can control?
Speaker 7: Yes, I'm excited.
Speaker 9: I'm so excited.
Speaker 7: You know my life hasn't changed from leaving the show.
Speaker 7: I'm still out there. Sunday night, I was doing the
Speaker 7: virtual gala for Unlikely Heroes, which is based there in La.
Speaker 7: They're out there rescuing and recovering children and women from
Speaker 7: sex trafficking all over the world, but mostly in Mexico
Speaker 7: and Thailand. And so did that Sunday night. Today at
Speaker 7: four o'clock, I'm building a gingerbread house for alcohol recovery center.
Speaker 7: You know, I did a food drive on Sunday for
Speaker 7: Aid Services Dallas. Here in town, I don't stop the need. Listen,
Speaker 7: when the need stops, i'll stop. But the need in
Speaker 7: my community doesn't end. So because of that, I want
Speaker 7: to be present and I want to be a positive
Speaker 7: ripple that shows people.
Speaker 9: How they can help one another. You know, I think
Speaker 9: a lot of people.
Speaker 7: I think more people would help if they knew how
Speaker 7: So I'm going to continue my nonprofit. I'm an ambassador
Speaker 7: for Bryan's House here in Dallas, which takes care of
Speaker 7: critically and medically sensitive children and emotionally and physically sensitive children,
Speaker 7: so they really handle special.
Speaker 9: Needs and I love what they do, so I'm I'm
Speaker 9: you know, doing that.
Speaker 7: I still work with Della Street Dog advocates with strays.
Speaker 7: The nonprofit world doesn't end. Not my nonprofit world in
Speaker 7: this city still relies on me to make a difference,
Speaker 7: and as long as they.
Speaker 9: Need help, I'll be there.
Speaker 7: Personally, what I'm looking forward to is getting way back
Speaker 7: into what I wanted to do in season one, and
Speaker 7: that is get back into motivation and inspiration and encouraging
Speaker 7: in my own unique way because you know, I'm not
Speaker 7: you know, I'm not politically correct.
Speaker 9: I'm not a non bad language using human.
Speaker 7: I say it how it comes out, and you know,
Speaker 7: just stuff so kind of falls out. So I just
Speaker 7: want people to know that you can still be you
Speaker 7: can still focus on making yourself better without being perfect. Listen,
Speaker 7: nobody's perfect, and I think you know, if you find
Speaker 7: someone that you think is perfect on Instagram, beware fire beware,
Speaker 7: because you know we all broken one way or another.
Speaker 7: And when you learn to accept that you're broken and
Speaker 7: you learn to take where you are and grow, that's
Speaker 7: when you can really become not only an amazing human
Speaker 7: for yourself, but for your family and for your friends
Speaker 7: and for the community around you. So I'll be doing
Speaker 7: getting back into that, writing a couple of inspiration books
Speaker 7: that I've got coming out for January, February and March,
Speaker 7: relaunching all of my affirmation books, which I have thirteen
Speaker 7: affirmation books. Those will relaunch New Year's Day starting. I'm
Speaker 7: working with two jewelry companies.
Speaker 9: We're building a huge brand.
Speaker 7: I'm calling it a candy land, because you know I
Speaker 7: think of jewelry and stuff like that as candy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm you know, still taking my DJ lessons.
Speaker 7: I'm still wanting. My goal in life is still one
Speaker 7: day to DJA a party. You know, I don't slow
Speaker 7: down just because you know I'm not on that particular show.
Speaker 3: Well, that's amazing, And a few things. First, the fact
Speaker 3: that you had that friend intervention from your friend. I mean,
Speaker 3: that's some real friends right there that they're able to
Speaker 3: do that. I mean, that's the kind of people you
Speaker 3: want to surround yourself in life, which is amazing. Second,
Speaker 3: it seems like you are full of life and energy
Speaker 3: since leaving the show, and just you're able to do
Speaker 3: all this, So that's encouraging for us, you know, being
Speaker 3: able to talk to you a couple of years ago
Speaker 3: and seeing you now, that's amazing and we're happy for you.
Speaker 3: And last thing before we let you go, we talked
Speaker 3: earlier in the show about something that came up and
Speaker 3: we read a survey that a few years ago that
Speaker 3: said the National Sleep Foundation that almost one and four
Speaker 3: married couples sleep in separate bedrooms. Do you and Richard?
Speaker 3: I know, Jane and I are like what, But we
Speaker 3: also talked about we can kind of see how it's
Speaker 3: enticing that times do you and Richard sleep every single
Speaker 3: night together?
Speaker 7: At times makey like when he's like right now, he's
Speaker 7: got a fever and he's been was coughing all night.
Speaker 7: Trust me, at three am when he was coughing, I
Speaker 7: was like, if I could pick you up and carry
Speaker 7: you into another room, I would, but no, but no, no,
Speaker 7: laying down in bed at night and talking about what
Speaker 7: you want to accomplish the next day and what's important
Speaker 7: to you and I mean so sweet. My husband every
Speaker 7: night says, honey, are you mad at me? And I'm like, no, baby,
Speaker 7: not at all. I'm just falling asleep, And I love
Speaker 7: that we fall asleep holding hands. We're best friends. If
Speaker 7: you are at a point where you're not communicating or
Speaker 7: feeling love from your spouse and you're.
Speaker 9: Not in the same room, how are you not just roommates?
Speaker 8: You know what I mean?
Speaker 7: Like, I understand, I understand in the pandemic how that
Speaker 7: can be convenient. But value yourself more and want more
Speaker 7: for yourself because every human deserves, at their base core
Speaker 7: unconditional love, So you need to find someone that.
Speaker 9: Will love you that way.
Speaker 3: I agree with that. It's almost like you're blurring the
Speaker 3: lines there. If you start to act like roommates too much,
Speaker 3: things get, you know, things get sticky, because then you're
Speaker 3: not as connected.
Speaker 7: You aren't connected, And I think that's the most Communication
Speaker 7: is the most important thing in a relationship. In any relationship, communication,
Speaker 7: I will say my husband loves to make me laugh,
Speaker 7: not that he does it in ways that I would
Speaker 7: ever share with another human that doesn't genuinely know who
Speaker 7: we are, because people would be like, oh my god,
Speaker 7: did he just do that. I'm like, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 7: you know, he'll pop me on the back of the
Speaker 7: head sometimes and I'll be like, don't touch the driver.
Speaker 9: You know, we just we're kids.
Speaker 7: When we lose the joy of being around each other
Speaker 7: and laughing together and wanting to make each other's lives better,
Speaker 7: then that's when you have to really look at what's going.
Speaker 9: On with not just your relationship, but with you and
Speaker 9: what you really want from life. And you have to
Speaker 9: be honest. And so many people struggle.
Speaker 7: They struggle, not just to be honest with the world,
Speaker 7: but sometimes I think people struggle to be.
Speaker 9: Honest with themselves even more.
Speaker 5: So.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you got you gotta get real if you want it,
Speaker 7: if you want a real life, you got to.
Speaker 3: Well, Leanne, thank you so much for your time. We
Speaker 3: appreciate it. We're happy for you and so excited for
Speaker 3: all the things that you got coming up.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Lianne.
Speaker 7: You and I'm happy for y'all. You look a little skinnier.
Speaker 2: Not pregnant anymore. Thanks, Thank you so much, Leanne.
Speaker 3: We appreciate your time.
Speaker 7: Thanks guys, Happy holiday Christmas.
Speaker 2: Well, she's got a lot going on, she does, and
Speaker 2: I feel like it's just such a curse. It can
Speaker 2: be such a curse if you are on a reality
Speaker 2: show and then you don't have the capabilities of editing
Speaker 2: it because you know, you've seen how people can get
Speaker 2: so twisted, and then it's once people make their mind
Speaker 2: up about you, it's it's hard.
Speaker 3: To especially especially on that scale. Yeah, yeah, that's a
Speaker 3: that's a gamble right there for anybody that does that.
Speaker 2: I mean even with you know, we don't obviously need
Speaker 2: to bring it up, but just when someone has a
Speaker 2: preconceived notion of what they just see on you know,
Speaker 2: websites or something, they you know, they don't want they
Speaker 2: don't take the knowledge to get to know the person
Speaker 2: or know the actual facts behind it, and they just
Speaker 2: read what they see and it's not always the truth.
Speaker 3: Sorry, we can get real with it.
Speaker 4: We don't.
Speaker 2: I mean I don't, I don't.
Speaker 3: I was just like, you know, no, I think it's.
Speaker 2: If you want to talk about it, we can. That's
Speaker 2: totally up to you.
Speaker 3: And re marks behind his screen right now, like.
Speaker 2: Hmmm, no, it's it's it's sad and it makes it
Speaker 2: but it's the whole point. And what I was just
Speaker 2: saying was you know that it people don't give the
Speaker 2: benefit of someone's real heart, and they just read stories
Speaker 2: and they make up their mind about people, you know,
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of people that dislike us because
Speaker 2: of our story. But something just happened recently with Mike
Speaker 2: and if he wants to share it, but it was
Speaker 2: just it's just so it's such a personal attack too.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Unfortunately, like one of my biggest fears was validated
Speaker 3: from a professional standpoint where I was gonna Initially things
Speaker 3: were looking good. I was going to partner with this
Speaker 3: company to work on something that I've really wanted to
Speaker 3: work on, and and you've.
Speaker 2: Put a lot of hard work into it. I mean
Speaker 2: a lot of hard work. The company was very gung
Speaker 2: ho and also just you know, very receptive and very
Speaker 2: involved for about I say, like two or three weeks. Yeah,
Speaker 2: just like all like you know, and he took a
Speaker 2: lot of time, a lot of nights, a lot of
Speaker 2: the hours in the day, and really like worked hard
Speaker 2: on this project.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. And then once things got into you know,
Speaker 3: paperwork being drawn up and more you know, legal teams
Speaker 3: being involved in everything, all of a sudden things took
Speaker 3: a turn and I started getting emails that It felt
Speaker 3: like smoking me. It felt like just smoke, like, actually,
Speaker 3: you know, we realized it wasn't a good thing for
Speaker 3: Q one, but maybe Q two. It's something we can
Speaker 3: revisit and this and that and the design of book
Speaker 3: and everything. Every obstacle they stated, I've fired by Okay,
Speaker 3: if this is a problem, let's do this, let's do that, like,
Speaker 3: let's talk about it, let's all conform all, you know,
Speaker 3: offered a solution for every single problem that they were,
Speaker 3: obstacle that they brought up. I was like, it doesn't
Speaker 3: have to be in Q one. Let's but let's keep
Speaker 3: this train roll and let's talk about things for late.
Speaker 3: And then, you know, after my last email last week,
Speaker 3: heard nothing back.
Speaker 2: And then let's say they wanted to do a zoom.
Speaker 2: They're like, okay, let's set a zoom to talk about
Speaker 2: all of this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then our manager followed up, Well, that wasn't
Speaker 3: even the last thing. The last thing was there were
Speaker 3: more emails after the zoom talk yeah, because again they
Speaker 3: were just kicking the can down the road. And then
Speaker 3: ultimately our manager followed up this morning and they came
Speaker 3: back with just a very direct like, yeah, it doesn't
Speaker 3: seem like the direction we want to go. So if
Speaker 3: that was the case from Jump Street, I wouldn't take
Speaker 3: it as personal as I ended up taking it. And
Speaker 3: my biggest fear since all of this stuff with jan
Speaker 3: and I is that opportunities will be taken away from
Speaker 3: me because of me publicly being a sex addict.
Speaker 5: Oh wow.
Speaker 3: And it's really hard because there's there was one hundred
Speaker 3: and eighty.
Speaker 2: Degree shift once she brought in her team.
Speaker 3: Once the legal team and stuff like that were brought.
Speaker 2: In, and it's also part of a kid's company.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I see, So you were vetted and then their
Speaker 4: tone changed and you felt they said the playoff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it would be different if if as soon
Speaker 3: as the team came in that was said kind of
Speaker 3: from the get go, but it was the whole kicking
Speaker 3: the can down the road and like smoking me, like,
Speaker 3: don't give me this bullshit about well, you know, the
Speaker 3: the financials and this size of an order and like
Speaker 3: just tell me, hey, you know what, after further review,
Speaker 3: it's not going to work out. So sorry, well okay, fine,
Speaker 3: don't sit there and with me.
Speaker 2: After a few weeks of everything was great. It was
Speaker 2: until she brought in her other partner legal team is
Speaker 2: what it.
Speaker 3: It was just like, yeah, so it's you know, and
Speaker 3: I did my best at in Janet you know, did
Speaker 3: her best supporting me and being like, hey, you know,
Speaker 3: it's we can't go there and think that it's that personal.
Speaker 3: That's just my shame. And I was like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: you're right, it's my coming up. It's just my fear.
Speaker 3: But then just the way things unfolded even this morning,
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't see how it's not you know,
Speaker 3: when we've offered solutions for every obstacle accent So it
Speaker 3: just sucks.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 3: It's it's one of those things that just it's like
Speaker 3: the scarlet A in a way. You know, it's I mean,
Speaker 3: I'll be naive to think that some opportunities wouldn't be
Speaker 3: taken away because of society's lack of acceptance. Understandably so
Speaker 3: with this disease at times and right now, so but
Speaker 3: still it stings because it you know, I tend to
Speaker 3: take take things more personally anyways, So when it a
Speaker 3: fears validated around the most shameful thing that I have
Speaker 3: as an individual, not a great feeling. So but I'm
Speaker 3: just trying to do my work to not dwell on
Speaker 3: it that this is where the stuff about. You know,
Speaker 3: majority of people in twelve step programs live with inonymity
Speaker 3: and be able to live that way. This is where
Speaker 3: I'm just like, you know, must be nice. I love you, thanks, Anny,
Speaker 3: and that's all I need.
Speaker 2: I love you too, Mark. Why are you looking at
Speaker 2: us just such a Yeah, we're gonna do something and
Speaker 2: we're gonna blow their company out of the water.
Speaker 3: And there's my wife.
Speaker 2: Go for the throat, go for the jugular. Okay, all right, Well,
Speaker 2: we hope y'all have a marry marry, Marry, Mary, Marry, marry,
Speaker 2: merry Christmas, and we can't wait to wind down after Christmas.
Speaker 2: Fullis Nada and this Christmas we'll be