WEBVTT - Inside and Out w/ Gabrielle Reece 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:05.160 I am really excited to talk to my next guest, 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:09.080 Gabrielle Reeves, who I haven't seen for a while since 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:11.880 she was modeling and I was a makeup artist, and 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:16.160 I've been in awe of how she has led her life. 0:00:16.239 --> 0:00:19.279 I have so many questions for her, and I can't 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:22.759 wait to see her. So stay tuned for my conversation 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:28.639 with the one and only Gabrielle Reefs. Hey, how are you? Oh? Yeah, 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:32.680 I'm good. I mean, how many years has it been 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:36.800 since we have seen each other? I don't know how 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:39.880 long it's been since we've seen each other. I actually 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:44.280 remember the first time we worked together, which was either 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:49.560 eight or eighty nine, and it was a studio down 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:54.840 in the village off you know that studio that was like, um, 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:57.240 you'd take an elevator up to like the second or 0:00:57.280 --> 0:00:59.880 third floor, and I almost want to I feel like, 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:04.040 was it Jill or somebody? But I remember it so clearly, 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:08.360 just the whole experience. Well, it's so funny. I remember 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:11.960 working with you, and honestly, I just remember how much 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:16.760 we connected, like compared to other models I worked with. 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:19.760 And you know, I don't know why there's not a 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:22.480 whole lot of similarities, but there was just something real 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:25.520 about both of us stuck in the middle of this 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:29.800 fashion industry, and we talked a lot about fitness. We 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:33.040 talked a lot about stupid things like weight. You know, 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:38.960 I'm five foot tall, your six three. Great. Okay, So 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:42.640 we were quite a you know, quite a pair. But 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:45.880 you know, there was a lot of like girl girl talking, 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:49.040 a lot of self esteem stuff. And you know, You've 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:51.400 built your platform on it and I've built mine on it, 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:53.919 so it's pretty cool. Well, and I remember you talking 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:56.080 about that you had started to make up business and 0:01:56.120 --> 0:01:59.440 I was like, oh, that is amazing. And uh, it's 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:03.280 funny because because that era produced you know, yourself and 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:07.520 Francois Nors and a few other people. But I remember thinking, wow, 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:11.480 she she really did it, like because you were sort of, 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:15.200 I don't want to say not nonchalant, but it was like, 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:17.639 you know, you didn't make a big thing of it. 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:21.960 And I'd say from that time to really not so 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:24.560 many years after that, I was like, oh, no, Bobby 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:28.280 Brown is kicking some real ass right now. Yeah. So no, 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:31.400 it was quite a journey my first company, you know, 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:34.800 I stayed for twenty two years after I sold it. 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:38.240 So that was a big thing, and I walked away 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:41.200 and I started another makeup company, which I think I 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:44.080 sent you Jones Road. Yeah, I actually bought some of 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:46.560 the products. I saw it, and I was like, because 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:50.079 I do also appreciate UM. I was working with somebody 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:52.480 I'm gonna I don't want to botch Terry's last name 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:57.480 yesterday randomly and you came up. Your name came up. 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:01.679 We were talking about the makeup movement that's so intense 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:04.560 right now and has been intense for a really long time, 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:07.640 and we were I was like, yeah, I was watching 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:10.320 this video and Bobby Brown's like, okay, so now I'm 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:12.560 gonna show you how to contour and then You're like, no, 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:16.800 not you know, and we're talking about UM. And so 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:20.280 for me, your new your new company, UM, your your 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:23.960 Jones company. I just uh, I was like, oh, she's staying. 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:27.040 You know, there's a line that I feel like you're 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:31.320 holding to support people who, um, I don't want to say, 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:36.000 are confused, but maybe just doesn't feel like that comfortable 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:38.000 to get up every day and try to, you know, 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:42.680 put on that quite of an intense makeup protocol right well, 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:45.960 you know, for me, it's makeup and beauty are kind 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:48.800 of intertwined. And really I wear makeup because I want 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:51.160 to look better, I want to feel better, and I 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:53.680 get the most women do that to Most women don't 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:57.960 want to be, you know, out there doing the contour 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:00.840 and all this stuff. So yeah, that's the Jones Road thing. 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:05.400 But it's problems similar for you in the fitness world, 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:08.920 Like you just do this without thinking you're working out, 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:12.320 Like do you do you like? Is it an effort 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:14.560 for you or is it just such part of your life. 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:17.840 I think it's both. I think I think we could 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:21.560 say that about anything that's you know, think about marriage 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:23.960 or parenting or what have you. I think it's the 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:28.040 things that you've come to a piece and a non 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:34.080 emotional reaction to that. There's a level of difficulty to 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:38.440 it UM work, but that there's also sort of an 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:44.640 acceptance to UM two too, that it's important and so 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:48.120 you you can sort of take the emotions out of it. 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:50.360 So no, I mean, yes, it is work. It's not 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:52.880 just like, oh it's fluid and and you're trying to 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:55.920 change it. You know, you're trying to learn UM without 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:58.920 hopping all over the place, right, Like I think growing 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:04.880 in a way that there's still like your consistent thread throughout. Uh. 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:07.360 That always is the balance, especially with something like fitness 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:09.400 where there's trends all the time and such. Well, we 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:12.360 both have pretty long term marriages. I've been married thirty 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:14.599 three years. And how many years you've been married to laird. 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:18.640 I've been married to laird for almost twenty five years together, 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:23.200 thirty three though, that's that's yeah, it is you know, 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:25.560 And yes it is work. I mean, I you know, 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:27.880 it's totally work and it's worth it. And you've got 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:31.680 three girls, yeah, three daughters. Yeah, I got three sons, 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:38.240 so yeah, so you know, and that's joyful and hard 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:42.840 and work and all of those things. So any did 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:44.720 any of your I mean, it's kind of funny because 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:46.520 you have I thought I would only have sons, and 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:49.720 you think a woman who was into makeup would have daughters. No, 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:53.320 but I have daughter in laws, which is a whole Yeah. 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:57.160 I have two out of the three are married to 0:05:57.360 --> 0:05:59.840 daughter in laws, and one of them is having a baby. So, 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:02.159 believe it or not, I'm going to be a grandma 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:06.320 in September, which is crazy. Like I just had my 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:09.200 third baby who's now going to be twenty four next week. 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:13.960 But you know, crazy, Thank you. So what advice do 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:17.719 you have for people to have a long term happy marriage? 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:20.520 Oh jeez, well, I think you know, the ways that 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:23.159 it works for everybody is so unique and different. I 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:27.800 do know that it's sort of the individual's responsibility, for 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:30.240 the most part, to make yourself happy. I you know, 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:32.640 I sort of don't think it really is realistic to 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:36.159 look to our partners, or even our children for that matter, 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:41.400 to kind of make us happy or fulfill something that 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:44.760 maybe we need separately from them. I think that there's 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:48.599 a lot of um, deep meaning and connection when you're 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:50.719 when you're in a relationship and when you have children. 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:52.920 But I don't. But there's also a part of us, 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:56.080 all of us that we it's a it's a something 0:06:56.160 --> 0:07:00.159 we've got to satisfy ourselves. Um. And I think the 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:04.640 idea of growing each person wanting to do that. I 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:06.800 I think it would be really hard if Laird was like, 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:09.520 you know, Gabby, you should read more and open up 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:11.880 your mind. I think that would be hard. But if 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:14.680 it if it's sort of like your values are similar enough, 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:17.480 even though you can be incredibly different. UM. I have 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:19.880 that in my relationship my husband and I are. From 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:22.679 the outside, everyone thinks, oh, there's probably they're so similar. 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:26.120 We're very, very different. But I think our core values 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:29.600 are are similar, and and you know, maybe giving it 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:33.280 one real bumpy road to go through and seeing if 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:36.280 you don't just bail like I had, you know, we 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:39.760 had I'd say two kind of moments in our marriage 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:42.600 where could have easily been like all right, that was cool, thanks, 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:47.720 and just sometimes good going through one and seeing that, oh, 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:51.320 not only is it possible, because that's that's the other 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:53.840 thing you've experienced, this where I think maybe couples look 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:57.600 at each other and they think, today, wow, the love 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:01.280 is you know, different, but that you can just get 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:04.240 through it and then the love can return back in 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:08.600 all the ways, romantically, sexually, in all these ways that 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:12.160 you thought maybe you couldn't. So I think it's it's 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:14.760 also kind of weathering that what is lad like? I've 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:18.400 only seen him, you know, on on interviews, like what 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:20.920 like how would you describe him? Besides like, I don't 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:22.440 even know if I'd be able to breathe if I 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:25.280 saw him in person. He's so gorgeous, So like, what 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:28.680 is he like? He's like a caged animal? Bobby. He's 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:34.320 like the most loving and attentive partner. Um, but he is. 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:39.200 He's never really mellow. He's so intense, like you could 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:42.840 be talking about how something is built, like a desk, 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:47.280 like everything. He is so engaged, which at times can 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:50.160 be Um. You know. It's like as his partner, I'm like, 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:52.920 we choose, do you want somebody who's apathetic about everything 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:55.200 or would you rather have someone who's like really curious 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:58.880 and serious and like you know in there. Um and 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:02.000 he is has a relationship with nature that makes it 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:05.920 really hard for him at times, and I feel for him, 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:08.520 but it's also again connected to all the things, all 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:12.040 the things I really love about him. Um and he's 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:14.200 you know, he had a really good mom that he 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:17.480 admired a lot, and so it's interesting, you know, being 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:19.840 surrounded by women, he's you know, has this sort of 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:23.200 one level of I call it true masculinity. I think 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:25.840 masculinity has gotten a bad rap because I feel like 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:30.360 true masculinity is so beautiful. It's it's helpful, it's protective, 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:34.120 it's honorable, it's all these things. It's strong. It's like, 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:40.280 so Laird has that um and uh yeah, but you 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:42.320 you know, you can't you have to you you have 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:44.600 to be a little ninja to be with Laird, Like 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:48.520 you have to not take anything really too personal. And 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:52.240 you you're not gonna tell him anything. You're not gonna 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:55.319 be like, uh, you better do this, or how come 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:58.800 you didn't do that? Um, it's like your your best self. 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:01.560 And then Laird's already in an agreement with himself that 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:04.360 he'll he'll be his best self. But people ask me 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:06.600 all the time, like, oh, do you let Laird? I'm like, 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:11.280 Larry's not to be control. Well, it's funny I could say, 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:14.199 on a different path, the same thing about my husband. 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:16.720 And I know, for me personally, because I'm a strong woman, 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:20.040 you know, like you are, But I married someone stronger 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:22.560 than me, and I know that's the only guy that's 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:26.040 going to keep me on my toes. It's the agreement 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:29.040 of without being spoken. I always liken it's like if 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:30.640 you went to went to school and you had a 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:33.760 professor that was so cool and treated you really well, 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:36.400 but you sort of knew that you just weren't going 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:39.160 to mess with them. And I feel like that's such 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:41.920 a better way, where with Laird, I am. I know, 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:44.160 I always say I don't speak to anyone better than 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:49.280 I speak to Layard, because the silent understanding is like 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:53.559 he probably wouldn't really accept anything other than that, and 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:57.080 that isn't with like threats and weirdness. That's just like, hey, 0:10:57.080 --> 0:10:58.920 I'd like to live like that, And I think I 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:03.160 have my own visions hopefully where it's like let's let's 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:05.360 try to be up here. Laird calls it the Cold War. 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:09.680 It's like, you know, we're just doing this all the time, 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:13.920 you know, but there's a checks and balance, which somehow 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:16.800 I like myself more when I'm with a person who 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:19.600 helps me be put you know, I'm in my better 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:24.559 self right. And you know the line of of wellness products, 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:27.600 you know is the brand is called Layered right, Yes, 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:29.960 so we have Layered Superfood and we have a fitness 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:33.559 brand called XPT. Yeah, because Laird super Food came from 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:35.600 a habit that Lard was doing in our kitchen and 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:38.800 then two thousand fifteen became a company by accident. And 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:41.000 there's so many of those companies out there, but these 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:46.160 actually taste delicious, like like sometimes I you know, I 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:48.320 I believe the hype, I buy it, and I'm like, 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:51.440 this tastes terrible his food taste. Sometimes I just take 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:55.480 a scoop of the coconut, like that's why my sweet tooth, 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:58.199 and I'm like, all right, that's done. Layerity eats this. 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:01.720 Where where am I abs? Come on? Layard? I tried, 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:05.080 you know, but it's really good. Yeah. Well, we have 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:07.800 a conversation all the time that Laird is so committed 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:10.160 to high level ingredients. I am too, but he's sort 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:12.719 of in one notch up. But I always am the 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:16.000 voice of reason and I'm the I'm like, listen, you, 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:18.240 no one will do anything all the time if it's 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:20.880 if you don't enjoy it. And and on top of it, 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:24.560 the ceremony of what is people's coffee, it's like, you know, 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:26.640 the I think the other thing about that was this. 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:29.080 It's like you saying to people, Hey, if you're gonna 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:31.320 put makeup on, let's figure out a way that we do. 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:33.840 It's sort of the best way to support ourselves in 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:36.480 this way. It's like, if you're already doing this, can 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:38.160 we give you a better option And you don't have 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:40.320 to sacrifice anything. You don't have to be longer in 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:44.320 the gym or you know, somehow eat something or drink something, 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:46.120 you don't enjoy. So that was the thing. It's like, 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:48.480 can we replace one habit with another that might make 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:51.560 it just a little better. And you guys are are 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:55.520 professional athletes and just life athletes. Are you able to 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:58.360 relax and what you eat? Like, can you just say 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:01.000 I'm just gonna eat a sam it today because I 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:03.440 know you're going to burn it off. Not over a 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:06.480 long period of time, No, but I certainly will eat 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:07.880 like if there's a good if we're going to a 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:10.400 good place and they have good pizza, like, why mess around? 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:14.400 I think you know. The thing is for me is 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:16.800 is that if you get to the core of health, 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:19.880 it's even the way you approach all of it is 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:24.839 you know, you can't be fanatical about anything right, And 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:27.520 so I think it's ever you hear a million times 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:29.560 the eight twenty rule. I think pretty much if you're 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:32.520 doing the right things percent of the time, that twenty 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:35.000 isn't gonna work against you. And I live like that 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:39.199 probably just a little more than layered lady. My nature's 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:42.400 he's not emotional about food. Food is fuel for him. Me. 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:46.000 I like, oh, like look toast pizza and things like that. 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:50.720 And also Gabby like being a professional athlete like you 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:53.720 were one of the first, you know, people certainly of 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:57.600 my generation that people knew your name like such an icon. 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:00.720 How did you deal with that? And how is that 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:03.880 different than being a supermodel because you were both well 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:06.520 it was good timing, Bobby, and I don't I don't 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:08.800 think I was ever fooled into thinking it was anything 0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:10.920 other than that. And so I had the sport which 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:13.560 grounded me. And I'll tell you really quick story. One 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:16.080 time I was at Albert Watson's studio. You know Albert, 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:19.040 and you know, listen, you're a fortunate person if you 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:21.840 can be in a job with Albert at Albert Watson's 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:24.240 studio and you know, the lunches and the foods all out. 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:26.240 And I was working with a very well known girl 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:29.960 who was extraordinary looking. She You know, sometimes I when 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:31.640 I would go to work, I would see girls that 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:35.920 I I they almost seemed not real, Like they're so beautiful, 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:39.280 You're just like, how is this a real person? Right? Anyway, 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:42.560 we had lunch. This person didn't have an overabundance of 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:45.440 self confidence. You could feel it, you know, kind of 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:47.600 felt like she was limiting what she was eating and 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:50.440 all this Okay, So The next day, I fly to Tallahassee. 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:54.120 I go back to school at Florida State. I have practice. 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:57.400 I go there with my teammates. They're sweaty, their butts 0:14:57.400 --> 0:14:59.760 are probably a little too big, maybe a couple of blemishes, 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:05.680 and the robustness of their spirit and their confidence was 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:08.840 was a lot more so. I think being grounded in sports, 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:12.040 you just looked at it like I get to be 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:14.880 I'm really fortunate, Like these people are flying me around 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:17.040 the world and paying me for the way that I look. 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:20.000 It's not a you know, it's not a qualification or 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:23.640 a skill. So I'll just say thanks. And with sport, 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:26.320 it just keeps you really in the earth. So for me, 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:29.560 it was I never I don't think I didn't. I 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:32.840 didn't lose the plot, so to speak. Yeah, and you 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:35.800 were also weren't you the first female athlete to design 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:39.360 a shoe at Nike? Yeah, I wasn't. And actually they 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:42.239 gave me a designer named Tinker Hatfield who was responsible 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:44.680 for all the Jordans, and so you know, I was. 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:47.120 That was also a setup for success. If you're with 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:52.360 a designer that you know is making really cool stuff. Um, yeah, listen, 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:55.440 I'm not gonna lie and you know this because of 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:59.000 your business, a little bit of good fortune and stuff 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:02.840 is you know, you could be good. But if you're 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:05.120 a little earlier, a little late. And I think I 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:09.160 was hit it right, you know there was it was 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:21.440 culturally the right time for them. Do you still like 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:25.320 play volleyball in your spare time? There is no spare time, 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:27.600 and my brain knows what to do. But if I 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:31.200 can't practice, my body so I am so not fun 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:35.440 um when I do that. But I I played until about, um, 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:37.680 i'd say about five years ago. I played, and I 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:40.720 used to only play with with men um because they 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:44.280 sort of you know, get over things quickly. Um, So 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:47.960 I did that, but mostly it's like training work. And 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:50.600 I still have a kid at home, so how old 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:54.520 your your baby? Your youngest one? And yeah, so it's 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:56.920 just you know, she's the last one. So it's kind 0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:58.680 of like you know how you get put them in 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:01.840 the launching pad time, so we're sort of have one 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:06.120 more launch um and these are the critical years um 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:09.320 and then uh you know, you never know, but yeah, 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:11.440 I think for me, i'd like to volleyball so much 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:12.879 as a game. It was so fun, but I'd like 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:15.560 to play it at a really high level. I think 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:18.639 I might be too obnoxious to play it like for fun. 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:21.639 But does does? I mean, I'm not asking your age. 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:25.400 I'm sixty five, which kind of blows my mind. I've all, 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:28.159 you know, I am. I'm I'm in my mid sixties, 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:29.800 and I haven't done a thing to my face. I 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:32.480 haven't shot anything. I get Can we talk about I'm 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:35.600 fifty two, so I'm right, I'm might. You know, that's 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:38.479 such an interesting thing. How do you keep it at bay? 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:41.720 Do you think it's love? You know? I, first of all, 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:44.680 I'm genetically lucky. I know that. I know I look 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:47.000 good for my age. But I've kept a clean life, 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:50.760 and so you know, I might sometimes, you know, have 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:53.359 a little extra vodka one night, but I you know, 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:56.959 I'm just I have a very clean lifestyle and for 0:17:57.040 --> 0:17:59.360 some reason. I mean, look, there's good lighting and there's 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:02.600 bad lighting. I am now like a TikTok sensation in 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:05.240 my mid fifties, and there's times where I'm like, oh 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:07.080 my god, that light was so bad. I look a 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:10.000 hundred and other times I'm like, wow, I look really good. 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:12.560 But it's not fair to the people that are watching me, 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:15.480 because I'm just really good at looking at good light, 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:18.040 right I find I know the good light, but I 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:21.200 should really post something with bad light so people understand 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:24.640 it's real. And you know, all I have on my 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:27.639 face is literally a touch of some of my miracle 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:30.199 ball I put on my cheeks because my skin is 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:34.040 actually pretty good. But I don't know. I'm going to 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:36.440 ask you the same question. And you live in Hawaii. 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:40.960 I'm out in the Hamptons. So I get sun, like, 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:43.560 I don't know, how do you deal with it? I 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:47.119 wear long sleeves, you know, and I just try to 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:50.960 make the best possible feeling like I want to feel 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:53.200 good in my body. It's not actually how the way 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:55.480 I look, it's how I feel. So how do you 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:58.480 deal with this? Well, I think you're saying something really important. 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:02.560 I think vitality, life force, if you will, is there 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:06.800 map as there? What's magnetic about someone? Um? And so 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:09.600 I think, listen, there are days where you know, you 0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:11.679 catch a glimpse in like a rear view mirror of 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:14.239 a car something you're like, ohoa, when did that? You know? 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:18.400 Like certain things, Um, I've always protected myself from the sun. 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:20.080 I grew up in the Caribbean so I've been in 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:23.119 the sun my whole life, and then beach volleyball. I 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:26.359 tuned in early about kind of trying to protect my 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:28.600 skin because a lot of the girls were so uberfit, 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:31.600 but their skin was getting worked very young. So I've 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:33.879 been diligent about that. But I'm a big believer that 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:39.320 you can also take things um, you know, sort of 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:42.439 orally to maybe reinforce your skin a little bit. So 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:46.720 obviously being hydrated, I think omega's some pine bark. There's 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:52.200 some things that go back. What's what's pine bark? Um? Well, 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:54.399 I'm trying to think of the scientific name for it, 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:57.440 but there are supplements that sort of um can give 0:19:57.520 --> 0:20:01.679 your skin a little bit of reinforcement. And they say also, 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:05.240 you know things that you want to avoid, like when 0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:09.080 you're nursing, like broccoli and things like that, that those 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:12.040 extracts can give you sort of natural some blocks if 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:16.800 you orally take um crociferous type things. So I think 0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:22.080 I never, you know, drank, I ate really healthy. I 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:25.800 moved around a lot um. But to your point, I 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:30.640 really believe the number one is your your excitement about life. 0:20:30.640 --> 0:20:32.679 So you have things that you even when you have 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:35.480 your children, you had your own business and your own 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:39.480 real estate, and and something about having something you're excited 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:42.080 about that you've got to show up for every day. 0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:44.120 You can love your family to the moon and back, 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:47.120 and that's great. But I do think there's something so 0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:51.560 powerful for someone, especially a female, to be like, I'm 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:54.960 something other than young and pretty, because that'll that'll kick 0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:57.359 your ass in such a way. By the time you 0:20:57.400 --> 0:20:59.359 know your forty five, all of a sudden, does that 0:20:59.400 --> 0:21:01.520 mean you're less valuable? It's like, well, no, now you 0:21:01.560 --> 0:21:03.560 have all this experience, Now you have all these you 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:08.240 know this other stuff to contribute, and so um, I 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:11.120 find that that to be helpful. But yeah, I try 0:21:11.119 --> 0:21:13.520 to protect my son, but I mean my my skin 0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:15.359 from the sun. But I do pool training, which is 0:21:15.400 --> 0:21:19.240 like you're in the sun. Um, But I'm pretty mindful. 0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:22.199 I I haven't done anything intense to my face. I 0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:26.200 think I've tried botox like two times. I just hated 0:21:26.280 --> 0:21:27.960 it and now it's like, all right, So I have 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:32.040 lines in my forehead when rested and moisturized, they don't 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:34.520 look bad at all. Well, that's the thing. People don't 0:21:34.560 --> 0:21:37.960 think that they can impact their beauty from the inside out. 0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:40.920 And then knowing what works for you, like you say, 0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:44.520