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Speaker 1: Thanks for being on the Second Date podcast. It's Brook

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Speaker 1: and Jeffrey in the Morning and Man, Today's Second Date.

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Speaker 2: It's brand new.

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Speaker 1: It's about this guy who has a new plan to

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Speaker 1: stop being friend zone.

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Speaker 2: It was interesting that it was interesting. We tried, We

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Speaker 2: tried for him. We're going to find out if we

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Speaker 2: were successful or not. Here in just a second before

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Speaker 2: some comments from our Lovely Lovely listening. Yes, this one

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Speaker 2: made me laugh.

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Speaker 3: Julianne Stanford said, I was seriously considering divorce until I

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Speaker 3: heard the dating nightmares on the show.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm clinging to my relationship like it's a life boat.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, am I happy for Juliana or not?

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Speaker 1: That's all We get clean to your relationships right now,

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Speaker 1: because you could be in the same boat as our listener.

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Speaker 2: Let's get it started. It's our Second Date Update.

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Speaker 4: Second Date Update.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to share something with our audience that's happened

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Speaker 5: behind the scenes here it's Brook and Jeffrey in the Morning.

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Speaker 2: Oh what is it going to be?

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Speaker 4: I don't remember if.

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Speaker 5: Brooke has said this on the air and it's not bad,

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Speaker 5: but off the air. Whenever somebody brings up online dating,

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Speaker 5: Bok's response and Jose Alexis, you can confirm this. She's

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Speaker 5: always like, Ugh, I don't think I could ever do

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Speaker 5: online dating. There's just there's way too many options. How

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Speaker 5: could you ever just pick one?

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Speaker 2: No, I totally do online dating. I would just never

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Speaker 2: do marriage after I did it, exactly because I would

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Speaker 2: have never dated anybody long enough.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, I.

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Speaker 2: See what you mean. I thought you meant.

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Speaker 4: Okay, it's the crux of dating with all the apps.

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Speaker 2: Now, too many choices for people.

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Speaker 5: I think it was intended in a good way to

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Speaker 5: match people up who would have never found each other

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Speaker 5: if they were just left to their normal lives, But

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Speaker 5: more often than not, it just ends up being with

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Speaker 5: you have so many choices, men and women can't make

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Speaker 5: up their mind. They can't commit to just one, and

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Speaker 5: if they're not blown away immediately, there's you know, twenty

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Speaker 5: other options that they could just go explore.

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Speaker 2: I go to the Cereal aisle and it feels overwhelming.

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Speaker 2: I should choose.

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Speaker 5: And the thing is, that's where our listener, Evan is

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Speaker 5: that right now. He claims he is a victim of

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Speaker 5: being just one guy in a sea of a billion dudes.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Jeff's dream.

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Speaker 4: Yeah to it, But Evan, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 6: Hey guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Evn, I'm sorry, man, he sounds like you're going

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Speaker 1: through it with this online dating stuff.

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Speaker 6: I am. It's been years and there's been ups and downs.

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Speaker 6: But I'm just I want to try something new and

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Speaker 6: I think it's gonna work. I just need a little help.

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Speaker 5: Okay, okay, So what is your your stance on dating

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Speaker 5: right now? Like?

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Speaker 4: Where are you at?

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Speaker 6: I think that you should date a lot of different

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Speaker 6: people because experts say that if you focus too much

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Speaker 6: on just one person, you're gonna end up disappointed.

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Speaker 5: But you're supposed to like date a little bit and

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Speaker 5: then when one stands out, then you kind of focus

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Speaker 5: on them. It doesn't bode well. Her Brooks married. She

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Speaker 5: fuses a lot on that one guy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so funny.

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Speaker 5: So Evan, you're you're not focusing on just one. You're

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Speaker 5: dating a lot of different people.

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Speaker 6: Well, I wouldn't say a lot, but i'd say a

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Speaker 6: small handful at any given time.

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Speaker 3: That's a lot.

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Speaker 1: Is there one in particular that you really like or

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Speaker 1: are we just going to call ten girls?

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Speaker 6: Yeah? There is one. Her name is Jenna, and she's

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Speaker 2: Is that a compliment, alexis it is?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I want to be the top one.

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Speaker 4: So where do you and Jenna stand?

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Speaker 6: We had one date, it was good and nothing bad happened.

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Speaker 2: Is that your bar says defensively, nothing happened?

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Speaker 1: I mean, is that your bar like you had a

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Speaker 1: good enough date that nothing bad happened. So that's why

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Speaker 6: Well, sometimes I do feel that way, but this was

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Speaker 6: a good date. It was genuinely good, and I do

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Speaker 1: What wait, wait, she's so, you're not calling us because

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Speaker 6: Greg, he is interested, That's what I believe.

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Speaker 4: Okay, this is different. I guess let's hear him out.

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Speaker 2: So this girl trying not to think game. He's playing

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Speaker 2: games in my head right now.

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Speaker 6: It's not a game, but it is reverse psychology.

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Speaker 2: Oh that works so good on me?

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Speaker 4: Did it just work on you? He's like, I'm trying

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 4: All right, you already have Brooks interest.

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Speaker 5: Now, so what is your idea for reverse psychology with Jenna.

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Speaker 6: I want you to call her and tell her that, like,

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Speaker 6: I thought that she was cool, but I'm a little

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Speaker 1: Huh wait wait, why why would we be calling her

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's going to make her morning?

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Speaker 4: Why do you want to do it this way with Jenna?

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Speaker 6: The thing is, I've had a lot of dates this

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Speaker 6: past year where the first meeting is great, but then

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Speaker 6: it just it sizzles out, okay, and then the girl

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Speaker 1: You're getting friend zoned, is what it sounds like.

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Speaker 6: It makes me feel like I need to be defensive

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Speaker 6: and prove myself because she's in the power position. So okay,

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Speaker 6: all I see you're good at the first couple of days,

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Speaker 6: which is the sounds.

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Speaker 5: Like he wants to flip the script on these women

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Speaker 5: and he wants to be in the power position being like, hey,

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Speaker 5: like I think you're cool and everything, but I don't

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Speaker 2: So we should leave our front and alone. Wait, here's

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Speaker 1: You sound like a genuinely nice guy, and that's probably

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Speaker 5: Did you see Alexis gag when you said genuinely nice guys?

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Speaker 4: That's the problem.

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Speaker 2: Everything makes sense. I mean, you do know this couldn't backfire, right.

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Speaker 6: I have nothing to lose at this point, trust me.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it is a bold move. You have to

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Speaker 1: Can you tell us anything about Jenna that would make

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 2: What is she like? Would you do?

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Speaker 6: I can tell you, but she's literally like every other

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Speaker 6: girl that I've been dating recently, Like, you know, she's sweet,

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Speaker 6: she's funny, she's pretty, like they all are. Yeah, but

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Speaker 6: she's gonna turn on me. She's gonna turn.

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Speaker 4: Exactly.

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Speaker 5: Let's not get caught up in the minutia of who

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Speaker 5: she is as a person. I don't know if this

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Speaker 5: strategy would actually work. It sounds kind of manipulative, similar

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Speaker 4: And they're happily married, so it might actually be a

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Speaker 4: good strategy at the end of the day.

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Speaker 1: Here's my thing, Like, we tell her this statement, and

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Speaker 1: then what Jeff like? We tell her, Hey, so and so,

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Speaker 2: Up that conversation.

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Speaker 5: You know what, he is on the other line right now,

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Speaker 5: So like maybe if you want to try to convince

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Speaker 5: him to go out, you might be.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Like, we won't do a lot of the talking.

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Speaker 4: No, I think Evan wants to be in control here.

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Speaker 1: So Evan is it's not interested, had time to call

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Speaker 1: the radio, Wait on, hold, wind around, Okay, No, he's

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Speaker 1: not gonna say hello, Henna, say suck oh I forgot.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we're just gonna be super non committal about it

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Speaker 5: and let Evan swoop.

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Speaker 2: In for entertainment purposes.

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Speaker 5: I'm it's an interesting experiment at the very least, so

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Speaker 5: we're gonna find out how it goes when we call

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Speaker 5: her in your second date update right after this hold

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Speaker 5: on then second date update if you're just joining us

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Speaker 5: for the second date, our listener, Evan has asked us

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Speaker 5: to do something that we've never really tried on this

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Speaker 5: segment before, because.

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Speaker 2: It's not an idea any of us have ever happened.

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Speaker 4: No, probably too smart for our simple brains.

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Speaker 2: I like that spin.

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Speaker 5: But he wants us to call his date Jenna, and

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Speaker 5: instead of saying he had a lot of fun with you,

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Speaker 5: he really likes you. He wants to see you again,

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Speaker 5: coming on kind of strong, even.

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Speaker 2: Me saying that, are you giving yourself the ech.

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Speaker 4: I kind of even? It does feel like a lot,

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Speaker 4: That's why.

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Speaker 5: Instead Evan wants us to say he reached out, but

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Speaker 5: he's kind of on the fence about it, not really

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Speaker 4: So I don't know, how are you feeling about him?

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Speaker 5: Basically reverse psychology Jenna into loving him.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to be so disheartened if this works, Like

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Speaker 5: Well, Evan has been rejected so many times. He's tired

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Speaker 4: He wants to have the upper hand this time.

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Speaker 2: This is the only problem people are.

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Speaker 4: He's trying to stop the cycle of what's going on

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Speaker 4: in his life, right, Evan.

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Speaker 6: It's time I got to stand up for the pack,

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Speaker 6: you know. And there's a storyline that's just been playing

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Speaker 1: I think you could have used the quote about like

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Speaker 1: how someone who does the same thing over and over

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Speaker 1: again but expects a different result is the definition of insanity.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, something new and he thinks that if he does

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Speaker 5: it this way, then she's going to be more open

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Speaker 5: to not just a second date, but the third date,

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Speaker 5: the fourth date.

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Speaker 4: So how cool do we play it? Jeff I'm worried,

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Speaker 4: like do we do?

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Speaker 5: We get her name wrong at first? It's a good question,

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Speaker 5: but I think we just have to play kind of

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Speaker 4: We'll just go right to that.

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Speaker 5: Okay, deafening silence from the room.

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Speaker 4: Okay, here we go, let's try it.

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Speaker 6: Hello.

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Speaker 4: Hey is this Jenna?

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Speaker 3: It is who's calling?

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Speaker 4: We're a radio show actually called Brook and Jeffrey in

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Speaker 4: the Morning.

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Speaker 2: Hey Jenna, Hi, thanks for picking up.

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Speaker 5: We're doing a segment on our show A you may

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Speaker 5: have heard of it before. It's called a second Date Update.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but where calling.

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Speaker 1: We're kind of surprised we're calling you to segment because

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Speaker 1: it doesn't actually fit.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, this is a little bit different than what

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Speaker 5: we normally do. But we got an email from one

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Speaker 5: of our listeners that you went out with.

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Speaker 4: His name's Evan. Okay, yeah, yeah, remember going out with Evan?

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Speaker 3: I do? Okay, yeah, I do.

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Speaker 4: Evan emailed our show.

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Speaker 5: He told us that the two of you went out

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Speaker 5: and you know he had, he had a decent time.

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Speaker 5: He's considering seeing you again, but he is kind of

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Speaker 5: on the fence about it. What he said that, he's

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Speaker 5: just he I mean yeah, like he enjoyed the date,

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Speaker 5: no question about it, But the future he's a little

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Speaker 3: Wait, so he doesn't like me?

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Speaker 2: No, no, No, he doesn't not like you. He just doesn't.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, his heart is congested. What confused? I don't know.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't know.

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Speaker 5: That's not what I meant. He doesn't know where his

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Speaker 5: mind is at one hundred percent. He's trying to fit

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Speaker 5: your stuff out.

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Speaker 3: I guess I'm just confused. I thought we liked each other.

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Speaker 4: I thought everything was say specifically that he liked you?

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Speaker 4: Or did you just feel the vibe?

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Speaker 2: Nobody does that anymore? What did he write a note

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Speaker 2: and circle yes or no?

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Speaker 6: Do you like you?

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Speaker 4: Make it a whole lot easier? But I like you

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Speaker 4: so far. Sometimes it's hard to know how people feel.

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Speaker 5: Sometimes you're reading signs, you're reading them wrong.

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Speaker 3: No, No, we had a great time.

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Speaker 4: We even kissed. Okay, Well that's good.

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Speaker 5: Tell us more of stuff like that, like what exactly

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Speaker 5: happened the day we'll give us more indications of why

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Speaker 5: you think he liked You're so out of a box

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Speaker 5: right now.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean we grabbed drinks. I got to really

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Speaker 3: know him. He was super, super nice. I don't really

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Speaker 3: go out with nice guys, so he was the first

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Speaker 6: More.

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Speaker 5: Maybe maybe you thought that he liked you, but he

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Speaker 5: never actually said that to you.

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Speaker 4: Could just be like a vibe that you were getting.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, this is just extremely disappointing to hear because we

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Speaker 3: were vibing.

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Speaker 5: Okay, Well, maybe the vibe that you're feeling from him

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Speaker 5: is the literal phone line connection that is happening right

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Speaker 5: now because he is listening to this call.

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Speaker 2: Oh makes him feel like he wants it more. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm not going.

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Speaker 4: To say that. I will say he does want to

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Speaker 4: talk to you, though, what.

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Speaker 3: Evan, what is going on? I'm so confused.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm sorry to throw a loop in things, But

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Speaker 6: you thought I was nice? Yeah, I thought you were

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Speaker 6: really nice too. But I'm just not totally sure that

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Speaker 6: there's a romantic connection between us. I'm just not surely.

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Speaker 3: Huh. Okay, Well, I guess I guess maybe we're just

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Speaker 3: better off friends.

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Speaker 1: Well, hold, well, what are you doing, dude.

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Speaker 6: I don't I don't think we should jump to that.

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Speaker 6: I just I need to be sure that you really

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Speaker 6: do feel that way before I.

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Speaker 3: This is weird. This is a very strange way of

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Speaker 2: I don't even understand where he's trying to go here.

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Speaker 5: Evan, you're saying, you're saying that she's saying that she

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Speaker 5: likes you, but you're not sure if you believe that.

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Speaker 6: Not completely, because I'm a nice guy and I I

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Speaker 6: have a hard time believing that she really likes that.

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Speaker 1: I thought you just that you were attracted to her

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Speaker 1: because there was no romantic connection for you.

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Speaker 6: I'm not saying there isn't. There isn't. I'm not sure.

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Speaker 6: I'm in the middle here.

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Speaker 2: Okay, your message, I think, is getting a little lost.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, Jenna, maybe you have to show him a

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Speaker 5: little bit more strongly that the feelings are there, that

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Speaker 5: it's worth it.

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Speaker 3: After all this, why would I do that? I mean,

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Speaker 3: this was it was going so well without even getting

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Speaker 3: anyone else involved. This is like turning me away.

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Speaker 5: You see, one day they're saying they like him, and

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Speaker 5: then all of a sudden, something switches, and they're like switches.

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Speaker 1: Is you telling her there's no romantic connection and that

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Speaker 1: you weren't sure if you liked her or not?

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Speaker 2: That's the switch. You can turn that back. You can

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Speaker 2: be honest about where you stand.

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Speaker 3: I would have never been weirded out as I am

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Speaker 3: right this moment if you just didn't do all this.

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Speaker 3: This is very strange. What's turning me off?

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Speaker 6: Oh no, it wouldn't have happened on the second or

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Speaker 6: third date anyway.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Jenna, you may not realize this now, but after

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Speaker 5: three dates with him, you would realize that you weren't

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Speaker 2: Now we're going to tell her how she's going to

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Speaker 2: feel on a future date.

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Speaker 4: Unless we're wrong.

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Speaker 5: Because unless we're wrong, because normally at this time I

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Speaker 5: would offer to send you guys out and we would

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Speaker 5: pay for it. But I kind of have a vibe

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Speaker 5: that both of you are still on the fence. At

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Speaker 5: least you might want to plead your case to him

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Speaker 5: right now, Jenna, and ask Evan out after he turned her.

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Speaker 6: I just want to I want to partner who will

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Speaker 6: fight for me.

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Speaker 4: Okay, that's respectable. I think it's an him, Jenna right now.

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Speaker 3: To be asked with you.

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Speaker 2: Now, I mean, you have.

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Speaker 1: Nothing else to lose at this point, Evan, why don't

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Speaker 1: you just tell her the truth?

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Speaker 3: I mean, what is this truth? You have to tell me?

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Speaker 3: This is the very insane that how this is working

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Speaker 3: out right now? If you have to tell me something,

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Speaker 3: I mean, you might as well tell me right now.

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Speaker 6: Look, the truth is I really like you, and I was,

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Speaker 6: and I was afraid that if I just carried on

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Speaker 6: being nice and showing that I really liked you, that

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Speaker 6: you would get bored with me. And if I use

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Speaker 6: reverse psychology on you, then you I would think that

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Speaker 6: I was a bad boy or like something that you're

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Speaker 6: really attracted to and want to, like, really work towards

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Speaker 6: winning me. I'm usually the one that's trying to win

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Speaker 6: somebody over, and I wanted to flip the script.

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Speaker 3: Oh buddy, I mean, thank you for being honest finally

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Speaker 3: about this. It was weird. It was a weird way

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Speaker 3: of going about.

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Speaker 1: It, but he was just trying something new. Dating is

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Speaker 1: hard these days, and he liked you, and he didn't

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Speaker 1: know how to keep it going.

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Speaker 2: And it wasn't the smartest move. I think he is

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Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, now that we've really sold him. We'd love

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Speaker 5: to offer to send you guys out on another date, Jenna,

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Speaker 5: and we would pay for it. I mean, he has

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Speaker 5: finally come clean, he's told you the truth, and no

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Speaker 5: more games going forward, at least not for Evans, has

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Speaker 5: never happened.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, Kenna, I promised no games going forward.

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Speaker 2: Come on, Jenna, don't wait. The player hate the game.

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Speaker 2: Let's go one more day. Yeah, we're the games.

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Speaker 4: We're going to date.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Fe reverse psychology does work.

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Speaker 2: The honest truth works, real feel leeds work like we

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Speaker 2: feel accomplished when literally nothing changed.

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Speaker 4: We did it.

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Speaker 6: You guys are the best. Thank you.

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Speaker 4: You're welcome, buddy.

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Speaker 2: I don't feel like it's.

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Speaker 4: Rooky Jeffrey in the morning.

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Speaker 5: I don't think there's any way she would have said

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Speaker 5: yes if Evan didn't finally come clean and just be

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Speaker 5: honest about his true feelings at the end there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I mean we literally just we added more drama.

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Speaker 2: We did, and there was no need for it.

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Speaker 5: This is what happens when us non cool guys try

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Speaker 5: and play cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. It was a be yourself.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's a nice due, be a nice dude.

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Speaker 5: It's a win for nice guys everywhere, and he's lucky that,

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Speaker 5: for some weird reason, she just liked him for who

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Speaker 5: he was.

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Speaker 1: But I really don't want to get an update from

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Speaker 1: them that on the third date.

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Speaker 2: She decided there was no romantic connect.

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Speaker 5: He's just too nice, So we need to talk to

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Speaker 5: all the girls to find out what's the real reason.

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Speaker 4: Already keeps up the act and he shows up an hour.

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Speaker 3: Late to the date.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's all right.

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Speaker 5: But you know what, if you're a nice guy, or

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Speaker 5: if you're a bad boy, or anything in between, we

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Speaker 5: will help you with your dating life.

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Speaker 4: Email the show. We'll call that person who's not calling

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Speaker 4: you back. Go check out all of.

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