1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:02,640 Speaker 1: I was thinking to myself, did I make the right decision? 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: Am I gonna want to come back again next year? 3 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: And then you give it a few days and I 4 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 1: feel no, I made the right decision. 5 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 2: Hello everyone, Welcome to a special edition of Fair Territory. 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 2: We have a special guest, the newly retired Joey Vado. 7 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 2: Get your questions in in the chat. If you've got 8 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 2: some good ones, we may ask Joey some of those. Joey, 9 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 2: first of all, I want to welcome you. Thank you 10 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 2: for doing this. How you doing, man, I'm great, I'm great. 11 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: I didn't know great. We got a chat. I had 12 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: no idea. This is good. Everything the same today, look 13 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: at roughly the same. Yea, we're good. 14 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 2: Motif exactly So, Joe I wanted to start off just 15 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 2: asking you how the last couple of weeks have been. 16 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 3: Are you comfortable? 17 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: Are you at peace with your decision? Well, I've been 18 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: away from the Major League spotlight for almost a calendar 19 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: year now, and I've so much attention, which is kind 20 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: of curious to me to receive so much attention but 21 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: be so far away from the spotlight. So I'm grateful 22 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: for that. And as far as how I'm feeling about it. 23 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm glad. I'm glad because the responsibility of 24 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: a major league athlete is to perform, and is to 25 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: repeat performance, and of course to help a team win. 26 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: And I wasn't doing all three of those, and I'm 27 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: very nearly forty one years old, and so I promised 28 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 1: myself I would play until I thought I was not 29 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 1: good enough anymore. And that was that's that was the 30 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: final stop of my career. I was injured the last 31 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: few years, and so that's not an excuse I played, 32 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: But in my head personally, I thought, Okay, I'm going 33 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: to give myself an opportunity to be what I think 34 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: is fully one hundred percent healthy. And healthy to me 35 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: is when you don't think about the physical part of 36 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: the game, You only thinking about the competitive side, you 37 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: only think about preparation on a daily basis. And it 38 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 1: just so happens that I was probably I was probably 39 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: one foot into not being good enough anymore and another 40 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,679 Speaker 1: foot in the game. And this year just more or 41 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 1: less solidified my experience from last year of it's probably 42 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: not the injuries, it's probably the end of your career. 43 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: And so I'm thankful to the Blue Jays for giving 44 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: me such an opportunity. You know, they let me play. 45 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: It's rare in this sport where a team gives you 46 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: so much space and so much leeway and so much 47 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: respect that they let you more or less tell them 48 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 1: when you're gonna play. And they did that for me, 49 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: and so I'm thankful for that. They helped me along 50 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 1: in my rehab. They give me every opportunity to succeed. 51 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: They wanted to see me in Toronto, and I wanted 52 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: to be in Toronto for my friend's family and my country, 53 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: and I just wasn't able to get there. But there 54 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: is a piece, and there is I don't feel like 55 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: I'm looking back. I would be shocked if in February 56 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: I'm motivated to come back. So I'm happy to be 57 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 1: done playing major League baseball. And it was a great, 58 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: great ride. 59 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 3: And Joey, some people thought maybe the Blue Jays should 60 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 3: have called you up for a day, and my impression 61 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 3: was that you wanted no part of that. You felt 62 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 3: that was it. It was over. What was your thinking there? 63 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, to be fair to the Toronto Blue Jays, the 64 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: communication behind the scenes with John Schneider, the manager of 65 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: the team with Ross Hackins. The general manager of the 66 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: team was, I don't want to play. My responsibility as 67 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: to the major league fan and to me that is 68 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: I have to look in the mirror every day. I 69 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: take that drive after games thinking, ruminating, problem solving how 70 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: do I play or tomorrow how do I become a 71 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: better player? And there was no solution to it, and 72 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: so the communication between the team manager and the general 73 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: manager from me was I don't want to come up 74 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: unless I can showcase on stage, unless I can perform well, 75 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: unless I can entertain, unless I can avoid embarrassment. And 76 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: I wasn't fueled by avoiding embarrassment. I was fueled by 77 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: that feeling of homering on stage and then feeling like 78 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 1: you can do it again, that feeling of the fans 79 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: warming up and getting excited that you're about to take 80 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: a major league get bat. I went to Toronto Blue 81 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 1: Jay's game the other day, and I'm watching Vladimir Guerrero 82 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: Junior right now, putting on a show. He's been doing 83 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: that the last three or four months, and I could 84 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: sense the oh, we have to sit down to watch 85 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: this man hit because something is about to happen. And 86 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: that was my career goal, and it ended up being 87 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 1: the opposite where I was in Buffalo. I was in 88 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: scrant which Wilkes bar I hope I'm saying that correctly. 89 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 1: Wooster and I could sense there was like excitement. WHOA, 90 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 1: this is Joey Vado, longtime major league player. Let's watch 91 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: his at bat and with bad after a bat, I 92 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: would roll into a double play, strike out, look bad 93 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: on a swing. I ended up on my very last game, 94 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 1: you know, doing the ABS. This is the signal for 95 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: the ABS challenge system to those that don't know. And 96 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 1: I I got the get I got the challenge wrong, 97 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: and almost like right then and there, like WHOA, what 98 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: are we doing? You can't even tell a ball from 99 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: strike sort of thing, and I just I just think 100 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: that's good. That's good. I tried my very best and 101 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: I couldn't. I couldn't entertain, and I wasn't going to 102 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: come up and get a courtesy at bat. I thought 103 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: that was a bit disrespectful too, for sure, to whoever 104 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: was going to get sent down. I thought it would 105 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 1: have been disrespectful to the fans in that I want 106 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: to give the fans something to be excited about. I 107 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: think Jerry Seinfeld has a line, you get five minutes 108 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: to be Jerry Seinfeld or whoever you are. But after that, 109 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: you gotta give them the goods. They came for you, 110 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 1: they'll stay for the goods. And I didn't want to 111 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: show up and be because that's never been my attitude. 112 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: I always want to perform and then give back. I've 113 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:34,799 Speaker 1: always wanted to be worth worth, worth whatever I'm earning, 114 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: or worth the batting order, or worth the everyday play, 115 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 1: or worth the bat against Randy Johnson, a tough left hand, 116 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: or or worth a bat against Clayton Kershaw tough left hander, 117 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: or worth off Billy Wagner, the tough closing left hander. 118 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: You earn those of bats, those are given to you. 119 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: You see Wan Sodo, he always gets his a bats, 120 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: and then you see other guys get pinch hit for. 121 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: You know, not to disparage major league players that get 122 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: pinch hit for, but I wanted to work for everything. 123 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: I didn't want to get pinch run for. I didn't 124 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: get one. So that was my general attitude. And they 125 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: sensed that, and I approached Ross and said, that's good. 126 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: I tried my best. I don't think I would have 127 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: put on a good show. The last thing I want 128 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: to do is go to Toronto and stay at the 129 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: plate and receive some maybe more than some acknowledgment and 130 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: then strike out or look bad or be embarrassed or 131 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:28,559 Speaker 1: sort of thing. So I just wasn't there. 132 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 3: All right, Joey, Let's talk about the good, your brilliant career, 133 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 3: and I want to play you a clip from Max 134 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 3: Munsey on Foul Territory Art Sister Show and what he 135 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 3: said about you and who you were as a hater. 136 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 4: Joey was kind of one of those those hybrid players 137 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 4: that ushered in the new era that we're in right now. 138 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 4: You know, he was a traditional first basement in terms 139 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 4: of he had a lot of doubles, a lot of 140 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 4: slug a lot of homers, and drove in a lot 141 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 4: of runs. But he was also part of the new 142 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 4: age that you know, on base percentage really mattered, and 143 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 4: you know, he was the king that you know, he 144 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 4: was constantly right at the four hundred on basemark over 145 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 4: the four hundred on base on basemark, which is really incredible, 146 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 4: and you know that's kind of where things are at nowadays, 147 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 4: where you know, people care more about on base than 148 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 4: really your average but he did all of it, and 149 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 4: you know, he's he kind of he was kind of 150 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 4: one of the guys that helped usher in the new 151 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 4: era of baseball. And you know, Joey was always he 152 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 4: was always good to me. But it was always interesting 153 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 4: conversations when you when you talk to him at first base, 154 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 4: you never know exactly what you were going to get. 155 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 4: You know, you could you could probably flip a coin 156 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 4: and still not land on something that he was going 157 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 4: to talk about. 158 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 3: Okay, we can talk about your conversations at first base 159 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 3: in a bit, But I'm curious just kind of your 160 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 3: reaction to what he said, because Joey, you were criticized 161 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 3: at various points in your career for being quote unquote 162 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 3: too passive, not driving in enough runs. What did you 163 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 3: think of all those things when you were going through 164 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 3: that when you heard them. 165 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: I legan did baseball history. My favorite hitter was Ted Williams. 166 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: Before that, or excuse me, before I reached the major leagues, 167 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 1: Barry Bonds was my favorite hitter. I loved Todd Helton. 168 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: I you know, I paid mine to the all time greats, 169 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: and a constant amongst them, high batting average, high on 170 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: base percentage, low strikeouts, and so those were my keys 171 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: during the course of my career. And I respect the 172 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: voices that criticized me in that they have every right 173 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: to criticize as part of that's part of the transaction. Frankly, 174 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 1: there's there's going to always be good bad attention if 175 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: you're getting some good attention. And so it didn't. It 176 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: didn't move me, it didn't bother me, and it certainly 177 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: didn't it made me dig my heels deeper. I want 178 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: to be even better. I want to complicate. I didn't 179 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 1: lean to I didn't listen too much to what they 180 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: said because I kept going back to the historical grades 181 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: of the game. You know, ted my biggest not necessarily regret, 182 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: but I always wanted a five hundred on base year, 183 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: and Mickey Mantle had one. I think even Bliss the 184 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: last one to have one, no other than Bonds. But 185 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: I think before before Bonds, it was Mickey Mantle and 186 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: it was like five twelve or something like that, and 187 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: I remember thinking in twenty twelve I was something like 188 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: four eighty five. I was thinking, I haven't hit homers yet, 189 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: and I haven't got my intentional walks yet. Similar to 190 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: Aaron Judge, I was just in a perfect place with 191 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 1: my swing, perfect place with my game, and I was 192 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: healthy all the time. And I thought, at some point, 193 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: the compound interest of how good I am as a 194 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,959 Speaker 1: hitter right now and the home runs is going to 195 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: lead to me going from four to eighty something to 196 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: five hundred plus something. And I just looked at the mickeys, 197 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: and I looked at Ted, and I looked at you know, 198 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: I would you know, I watched Barry all the time, 199 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: you know, my minor league, minor league hotel rooms, and 200 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: minor league apartment. I would watch MLB dot Com every 201 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: one of his at bats. I watch everyone at many 202 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: Ramire's's bats. I watch everyone of Todd Helton's at bats, 203 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: and it doesn't really matter how you feel about them 204 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: and their career. I watched what I thought was hitting greatness, 205 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: and that was the generation that prepped me for my 206 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: major league career. And that's what I wanted to be, 207 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: and I was able to be that player. It was 208 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: hard work. I wasn't able to do the you know, 209 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: the forty to fifty home run thing, which is really 210 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: hard to do, especially with my strength and power capabilities. 211 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: It's not my skill set, but I was able to 212 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: put the ball in play. I was able to hit 213 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: a lot of lines. I was able to be a 214 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: tough at bat, and I thought that I personally think 215 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: I was really tough in big situations because I was 216 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:51,319 Speaker 1: able to refine my zone and pick out good pitches, 217 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: and I was a strength of my Probably my biggest 218 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: strength was it didn't matter and never ever mattered what 219 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: the pitch was. If if I knew it was, if 220 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: I had a strong idea it was coming, I could 221 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: anticipate and hit. It could be right now, it's Devin Williams, 222 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: change up, or it could be it could be who's 223 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: the best fastball right now? I'm trying to think it 224 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: could be. It doesn't really At the time it was, 225 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: you know, I faced Marianna Rivera, his cutter, whoever it was, 226 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: I I would I would be able to hit it, 227 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 1: and that was I would. I think a skill set 228 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: of mine, and I loved competition. So yeah, I'm proud 229 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: of I'm proud of how I what I turned to 230 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: turned into him as a player. But you know, I'm 231 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm hoping this isn't. I'm not filibustering here, 232 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: but this is all a byproduct of the minor league 233 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: hotel rooms and the minor league bus rides and the 234 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: cage work and the clubhouse time where I'm sitting and 235 00:12:55,600 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: I'm just thinking, and I'm letting the game problem solve itself, 236 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: you know. I think there's something to be said with intuition. 237 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: I had big goals and I would spend a lot 238 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: of time not ruminating, but just not being able to 239 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: sleep in my bed at night. Who I want to be, how, 240 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: what adjustments I wanted to make and how I wanted 241 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: to work on that the next day, and I would 242 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: I did that for years and years and years and years, 243 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 1: and I had my goal set. There's a fellow that 244 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: plays for the Oakland Athletics. He said something about he 245 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: wanted to be Wan Soto and I think a younger player. 246 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 1: I think he's in a second year and he's having 247 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 1: a good year this year, and it's very similar to that. 248 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: He's got long hair, black kid, what's his name long? 249 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: I think so. And he said that he said that 250 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: in an interview or somebody shared that. He said that 251 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: to a coach, and that's I liken myself to that. 252 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: He has that same sort of energy, that energy of 253 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 1: like craving, desiring to be something and to chase that 254 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: through the work, and you know, you see his effort now, 255 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: and that was that was me and Joey. 256 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 3: A lot of people in the aftermath of your decision, 257 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 3: including myself, described you as a Hall of Famer. Now, 258 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 3: when a player is in the middle of his career, 259 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 3: I often hear guys say, hey, I can't think about 260 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 3: such things right now, about achievements, milestones. I'm in the 261 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 3: middle of it. And of course that's the case. You 262 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 3: have to stick to your process and go forward. But 263 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 3: now that it's over and you've talked about history and 264 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 3: you know baseball history, I'll ask you this, are you 265 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 3: a Hall of Famer? 266 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: You know, there's two components here. So the first is 267 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: it depends on how people perceive my position. You know, 268 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: I didn't even have four hundred home runs, let alone 269 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: five hundred. I probably didn't have a lot of RBI. 270 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: I didn't have five hundred doubles. I hit three hundred 271 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: and at first Oftentimes the players want that, you know, 272 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: to be fair of the previous generations. And I've been 273 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: thinking about this a lot lately because my not a 274 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: lot lately. I've thought about this over the course of 275 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: my career a lot of a lot of players from 276 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: the past. You know, I think about it because I've 277 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: been kind of one of those debate figures where people 278 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: debate that often. And I think about Frederick griff and 279 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: I think about, for example, Carlos Delgado or Keith Hernandez, 280 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: or I think about you know, Buddy Bell. I think 281 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: about all these players that from their perspective, they wanted 282 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: to be great, and they wanted to do the job 283 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: that they were asked to do, and they were guided 284 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: by coaches and managers and front office. That iconic scene 285 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: in sixty one where the owner says to Roger Marris, 286 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: you know, just go and hit home runs, have a 287 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: good time. I don't care if you strike out. Hit 288 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: home runs. And we're tasked to do things. So a 289 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: possibility that during previous generations, the era was RBI, the 290 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: era was home run RBI, the era was get them over, 291 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: the era as sacrifice fly. And I'm one of those 292 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: efficient players as far as WRC plus, and I've got 293 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: a nice little war and I have a pretty efficient 294 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: style of play. But that doesn't make me better than 295 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: the guys in the sixties and seventies, the players in 296 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: the eighties and nineties, the guys in the sixteen seventies 297 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: that were slugging homers, and you know, prioritizing RBI and 298 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: the ones in the eighties and nineties that was attempting 299 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: to steal bases and trying to hit for average because 300 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: they're on the turf. So everyone has their own flavor. 301 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: I know I was. I say with confidence, I was 302 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: a very tough, tough out and I was a very 303 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: dangerous hitter. I was a real threat, and I was 304 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: consistent with it. I did that for a long time. 305 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: I prided myself on defense. I learned a lot and 306 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: proved as a base runner. But am I Hall of Famer. 307 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: It's subjective. It's subjective, and it's cool if I don't 308 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: get in because my goal. You know, I haven't watched 309 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: you know that Max Month's interview. I don't watch. I 310 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,479 Speaker 1: haven't watched interviews. And that's generous commentary, and thank you 311 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: for that from him. But I haven't read the articles, 312 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: I haven't read the tweets and all that stuff. I 313 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 1: just I have to move on. I have to do 314 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 1: something else with my life and move on. And if 315 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: I never hear from baseball again, and it's incumbent on 316 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: me to have a good life and to look back 317 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: with satisfaction, but also look beyond, look look forward. 318 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 3: All right, Joey, take a breath. We're going to be 319 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 3: right back after a quick word from your old friends 320 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 3: Eric Kratz, aj Prazinski and Scott Braun. 321 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 5: Great congestion from sinuses, allergies, or a cold can be 322 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 5: all consuming. 323 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 6: That includes snoring for me. But Scottie, I've found some 324 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 6: relief from Navage nasal care. 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That's promo 342 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 7: code foul at navage dot com slash foul. 343 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: All right, we're back with Joey Vado. 344 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 3: Joey, I want to switch topics a little bit. In 345 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 3: two thousand and nine, you went on the injured list 346 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 3: with stress related issues. You were experiencing and anxiety over 347 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 3: the death of your father at the age of fifty two, 348 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 3: and you were very open about your mental health. And 349 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 3: it's interesting to me that even now few players are 350 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 3: willing to talk about such issues, and understandably, some guys 351 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 3: want to be more private, some guys choose not to 352 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 3: be at that time, How difficult was it just to 353 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 3: go through what you were doing publicly on that public stage. 354 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: I don't think it was that. I don't I think 355 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: the experience was plenty difficult where this was. The public 356 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: part probably provided some relief in that I love to play, 357 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: and I was playing quite well. It was the beginning 358 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 1: of me as a competitor, like a useful, useful player, 359 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: and so I think I was bummed and I was like, 360 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: so good that, but I wasn't capable of playing, and 361 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: I wanted an explanation. I think that that's where my 362 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: head was at. I wanted to be able to explain 363 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: and hey, I'm not well. I'm hopeful i'll be back. 364 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: I'm not well, but I'm going to work at that. 365 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: And so the public part, I was already on stage. 366 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: You know, I didn't. I come from a modest suburb 367 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: and you know, lower middle class, middle class family sort 368 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 1: of thing where we were never we were never in 369 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: the mix publicly, didn't come from wealth, didn't come from 370 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 1: very simple family. And so everything public for me as 371 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: a as a major league baseball player, the cameras, the media, 372 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: the articles, the inquiries, everything was new. And I think 373 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 1: that that I was still in that adjustment phase because 374 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: when you're a player and you get better quick, everybody 375 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: wants a piece of you, and good that's the game. 376 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: You know that you go from being a minor league 377 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 1: player where there's no attention to a major league player 378 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: where there's some attention to I was heading towards stardom. 379 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 1: There was real attention. There's only so many stars in 380 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 1: the game, and everyone wants a piece of them, and 381 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 1: so I think for me, I was overwhelmed because I 382 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 1: was like all the goals and dreams that I thought 383 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: I had, Like I thought that I would win a 384 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: few Most Valuable Players when I was in the minor leagues, 385 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 1: and I thought that I would be a star in 386 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 1: the game. I thought I'd be the best hitter in 387 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: the game. I thought I'd be the best one of 388 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: the best players in the game. And I was reaching. 389 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 1: I was starting to trend towards that. You know, I 390 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: was playing quite quite well, and I was just overwhelmed 391 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: with handling this new sort of stage. And then factor in, 392 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 1: you know, the grief from losing my father and not 393 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: really being able to compute, and all of that at 394 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: once overwhelmed me. But I wouldn't say that the public 395 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: part of it provided anything but relief. It gave me support, 396 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: It made me feel heard, it made me feel it 397 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 1: made me feel like I had people that I could 398 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: fall back on and oftentimes for, And unfortunately, I'm not 399 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: sure how you view this fair or unfair, but you 400 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: can get a little bit more help that way, maybe 401 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: someone will reach out because you've spoken publicly. There's so 402 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 1: many years, and so I would have viewed it as 403 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: as a good thing. I would have viewed it as 404 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: a good thing, a nice relief. And then from there, 405 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: you know, I got help, and you know I was 406 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: able to move forward. 407 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 3: A few years ago at the Field of Dreams game, 408 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 3: I remember we had a discussion, an interview on Fox, 409 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 3: and you talked about your dad and how he would 410 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 3: have loved being there, and how he would have loved 411 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 3: and you would have loved to have had a catch 412 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 3: with him. Now, looking at your career now and imagining 413 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 3: what your dad might have thought, how proud do you 414 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 3: think he would be of what you accomplished. 415 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: You know, it's funny I was when I was eighteen 416 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 1: years old. I'll tell you too. There's three parts of this. 417 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: So when I was thirteen years old, I stopped playing 418 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: catch with him every day we played for about four years. 419 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: He wanted me to be pitcher, and my elbows started hurting. 420 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: I couldn't play catch, and that was the beginning of 421 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: me becoming a hitter. And I essentially moved away from 422 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: time with him, and I would go to the cage 423 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: and I work with my buddies and work with a 424 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: coach and do that every single day. I was like 425 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 1: Larry Bird obsessed. I don't know if you've ever read 426 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 1: his book, but he was mad about getting shots up, 427 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 1: and I could relate to that. And then at eight 428 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 1: excuse me. The second part was, oh, excuse me. At 429 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:37,360 Speaker 1: eighteen years old, the New York Yankees approached my family 430 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: and showed up and we're like, we want you to 431 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: be a Yankee. And so my dad was kind of 432 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 1: back in. He was like, holy cow, this guy is 433 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 1: going to be a pro and be a Yankee. And 434 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: so we started kind of rebonding again. He saw his 435 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: son become a professional, because you know, when you're doing 436 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: sport a lot, I think most parents would agree, school first, 437 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: what's a reality? What's you know? What are you going 438 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: to gain out of the sport thing? And he was 439 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: seeing the fruits bear and so see a bear fruit. 440 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: And so he died in my rookie year. And now, 441 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: as a forty about to turn forty one year old, 442 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: I was able to play Major League baseball. I homered 443 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 1: on my fortieth birthday. I played for one team, and 444 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: these were goals that we talked about when I was 445 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: leaving for When I was leaving eighteen as a professional, 446 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: he said, you can play when you're forty, because I 447 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: feel good at forty. How cool would it be to 448 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: play for one team have a good major league career 449 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: sort of thing. And so I think that with all 450 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: those with all those depths, seeing my baseball experience come 451 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: full circle, I think he would have been nothing but proud. 452 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: It breaks my heart that he's not here to share 453 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,199 Speaker 1: this with me, but I have my mother and she 454 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 1: was here to share it with me. I have my 455 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: brothers and they are part of of my father. They 456 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,199 Speaker 1: continue to remind me of him and the memory. So 457 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 1: as far as my father and how he would have 458 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: felt about my career, I think he would have. He'd 459 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: probably be like, you're gonna be a Hall of Famer 460 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: and you're gonna you had a great career and you 461 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 1: got to do it with one team, and you know, 462 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 1: I'm so proud of you, and let's go play catch. 463 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: And I'd be like, hey, my army, Okay, lighter question. 464 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 3: This one comes from a fan, and the fan asks 465 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 3: who would play you in the movie of Joey Vado's life, 466 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,239 Speaker 3: Who would you want to play you? 467 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: I'm wow, that would It couldn't be, and it couldn't 468 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: be a more uninteresting movie to be. So my routine 469 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: for the past twenty two years was go to the 470 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: ballpark for as long as I could, go back to 471 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: my hotel room or my apartment and either have a 472 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: meal and read or play video game or put around 473 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: on my phone or play chess, listen to music. There's 474 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: no going out. There was no you know, sexy dinners, 475 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: there was no you know, there was rarely anything interesting. 476 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 1: But I wanted to always feed the extra energy that 477 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: I had from or excuse me, the remaining energy that 478 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: I had. I wanted to feed that into the next 479 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 1: day of training because I always found that that that 480 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: next day of training, if I could, like if I 481 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: could be even more energized and even more focused, that 482 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: I would get better. That sort of compound interest sort 483 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: of thing. And I thought it was incumbent on me 484 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: to minimize everything, and my family and my friends paid 485 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: a price because I rarely saw them, and I just 486 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 1: I It ended up working. It ended up working because 487 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: I got better and I got better pretty quickly, and 488 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 1: I got to I got to the levels that I 489 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 1: didn't I thought I could, but I only dreamed of. 490 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: And so as far as movie star, hi, I don't think. 491 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 1: I don't think of any movie star that would sign 492 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: up for a script that involves, you know, staring at 493 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: the screen playing chess and then going to go to 494 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,959 Speaker 1: work and hitting in a batting cage. I don't think 495 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: it's that sexiest story. So I don't have one for you. 496 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 1: I look like that I was. I was told when 497 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:26,679 Speaker 1: I have a beard, I look like that fella that 498 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 1: played I think he was in Star Like a Star Wars. 499 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 1: And then ex Machina. Who's that fella? He the main 500 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: character Fromentas. 501 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry, somebody will volunteer in the chat now, Joey 502 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 3: you mentioned earlier. Actually Max Munsey mentioned the conversations at 503 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 3: first base, and I'm wondering what they were like for you. 504 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,919 Speaker 3: Who were some of your favorite people to talk to 505 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:48,679 Speaker 3: it first. 506 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 6: I don't know. 507 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: I think I was trying to keep my distance during 508 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: the course of my career, so oftentimes I would say 509 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: something tongue in cheek and throw the person off, and 510 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 1: it's a bit rude. Yeah, I wouldn't do that now, 511 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: I would unless I knew the person. If I knew 512 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: the person, then I would make eye contact and ask 513 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 1: them how they're genuinely doing and ask their family, you know. 514 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: But it's a competitive environment, and I had several exchanges 515 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: where I felt like whether the player was intimidating or 516 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 1: I felt like the energy was hostile because it was 517 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: two opposing teams. So I always kept my guard up, 518 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,199 Speaker 1: and I think my style of keeping my guard up 519 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: is to make a sort of joke that keeps distance. 520 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,640 Speaker 1: And so I was a bit of a smart alec 521 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 1: at first base and then I moved on with the play, 522 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: and I think that the the sort of like weird 523 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: banter was my way of maintaining distance. But if I 524 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: really got to know the person. You have plenty of 525 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: guys that you know, the Freddie Freeman's, the Matt Carpenter 526 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: is Anthony Rizzo's. Where we would talk about our respective charities, 527 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: or we would talk about our families, or we would 528 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: talk about our swing and get into that sort of 529 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: deeper deeper, So it's like the core things that matter 530 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: to us. You know. You play Anthony Rizzo seventy five 531 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: times over the course of probably even more than that 532 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty times over the course of ten years. 533 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: You're gonna have some you know. He got on bas 534 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: A Ton, I got on bas A Ton. We're gonna 535 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: have a lot of conversation. Neither of us stole bases. 536 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: So we were there for a long time and get 537 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: to you get to know each other and wish the best. 538 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: And so I would say that I would say that 539 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: the first base conversations are a bit of an art, 540 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: but they're also they also can be a distraction. I 541 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: never wanted to be distracted, so I kept people at bay. 542 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 3: All right, Joey, we're gonna take one more break, and 543 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 3: then I've got a few more things I want to 544 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 3: ask you here again A j. 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You wore a Black Lives 572 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 3: Matter te shirt during batting practice. You wore a pride 573 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 3: hat in a postgame interview. Now, most players, as you know, 574 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 3: are very reluctant to speak out on any matters not 575 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 3: involving baseball. And I'm wondering why you think players are 576 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 3: that way. Why aren't they more willing to speak out 577 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 3: on causes they believe in. 578 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: I think it's difficult because if I in my in 579 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: my personal experience, if I lend when I lend support, 580 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: it didn't mean I necessarily align politically. And I think 581 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: that I think that, you know, I'm from Toronto, Canada. 582 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: We've got a a and I've seen this since I 583 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 1: was since the you know, in the nineties, when I 584 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 1: you know, when I had my basically my wherewith, you know, 585 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 1: my my understanding of of you could contextualize things more 586 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: as a ten, as a twelve year old of fourteen 587 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: year old, sixteen year old. We have a huge LGBTQ 588 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: plus community and so it becomes sort of high neighbor 589 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: sort of thing. And this is one of the most 590 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: diverse cities in the world. Toronto I grew up in. 591 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: I grew up in a classroom that was probably as 592 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: diverse as it gets front with kids from all over 593 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: all over the world. And second, it comes second nature 594 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: to me as far as just fitting in and recognizing 595 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: that I'm one amongst many. But I think players are 596 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: apprehensive because there's so much political rhet rhetoric, and you 597 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: get boxed in and you have to be a certain 598 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: way even though you feel a certain way. And on 599 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: top of that, its spirals, you know, the at times 600 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: media can be instance year and not all of course, 601 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 1: but you can be used as a put pond or 602 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: some sort of tool to move along something or create 603 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: a narrative. And I think a lot of players are 604 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: overwhelmed with their work responsibilities. They're already stressed out as 605 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: it is to compete, and they've already got their guarantee contracts, 606 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: and they already just they have their families and they 607 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: just want to go home and do their job like 608 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 1: everybody else. Because it is a highly stressful job. It 609 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: requires a lot of It requires a lot of public 610 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: sort of negotiation who you are publicly, what you're willing 611 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: to share. And I was so deep into my career 612 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: that I was feeling a strong way about it. I 613 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: wrote about the I wrote a I Pennon article about 614 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: the George Floyd incident. But again that doesn't speak to 615 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 1: all that doesn't represent all of me as an individual. 616 00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: That only represents how I reacted to that particular time 617 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: in that particular subject. And it's complicated. I think it's 618 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 1: hard for the average person to or excuse me, the 619 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: average player to articulate, Hey, I feel this about this, 620 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 1: but this doesn't represent I am not necessarily in your box. 621 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 1: I'm not in this one. I'm on this one. I 622 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 1: feel I feel a certain way about this subject, and 623 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to represent myself and use my voice. And 624 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,360 Speaker 1: of course you get pushed back. People don't like pushback. 625 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: I've got obviously plenty of pushback. And people change their 626 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:34,319 Speaker 1: tune on you, and you know, you accept it. It's 627 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: part of it, and you learn to. You learn to, 628 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 1: you learn to accept it. But it can be challenging, 629 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: it can be difficult, and certainly people change their tune 630 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: towards me. But I felt that way at that time, 631 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 1: and so I have no regrets. 632 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 3: All right, final question, Joey, And it might. 633 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,760 Speaker 1: Be I'm one thing. We change. 634 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:54,359 Speaker 3: We change. 635 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,800 Speaker 1: We can always change. With new information, things change, things change, 636 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 1: you know, So when you make a when you when 637 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 1: you uh stand for something, you can adjust on the 638 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 1: fly sort of thing. So you know, oftentimes when you 639 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: stand for something and then new and not new information, 640 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 1: but you oftentimes are represented by that moment as opposed 641 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: to the continuing conversation, which is which is obvious, which 642 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 1: is necessary. So yeah, all right, Joey. 643 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 3: Now the final question. And I know it might be 644 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,800 Speaker 3: a little too soon for this, but people are wondering. 645 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 3: I'm wondering what you might have in mind next, whether 646 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 3: it's coaching. Some fans have asked about broadcasting. How much 647 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 3: of you thought about this and what might be on 648 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,839 Speaker 3: your mind. 649 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,839 Speaker 1: I haven't thought much about it. I mean, I'm two 650 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: weeks into retirement and I'm taught. I'm taught. I'm pretty tired, 651 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: you know. I had an I went for a walk 652 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 1: the other day with a What's what's Wall Street in 653 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 1: the US? We have Bastrid here, And I went for 654 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 1: a walk with this gentleman that was a huge finance 655 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 1: type and just having a conversation about his retirement and 656 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 1: the transition out of it and how he felt. And 657 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 1: he said when he retired, he just was. He just 658 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: slept for a month or two. And I'm not saying 659 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,720 Speaker 1: I'm necessarily gonna do that, but I just like to 660 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 1: pause and assess the landscape, see where I fit in. 661 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 1: It's important for me, even if even if some would 662 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,320 Speaker 1: think I'd be good at coaching or even interested in coaching. 663 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: Same with broadcasting or commentating or whatever, of being sort 664 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: of an analyst analyst sort of thing. I have to 665 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 1: I have to repeat that. I have to repeat that 666 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,719 Speaker 1: every day, and I owe it to the people that 667 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 1: commit themselves to me and show interest. You know, social 668 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: media was tough in that you're semi expected to stay 669 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 1: with it, and so I felt like I had to 670 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,480 Speaker 1: stick with that, but maybe I didn't want to do that. 671 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: And it's the same with coaching, the same commentat the 672 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,719 Speaker 1: same with any sort of future commitment. So to me, 673 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,360 Speaker 1: I want to make sure I pick something that I 674 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,799 Speaker 1: can stay committed to and I can build relationships with 675 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,479 Speaker 1: with whomever, whether it's the players or the fan base 676 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 1: or the people I speak to. So I want to 677 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 1: give my all with the next thing. And I'm not 678 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,759 Speaker 1: quite ready yet to make that decision. But this is 679 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 1: so fresh to me, you know. Driving back from Buffalo 680 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 1: after I announced my retirement on Instagram, I was thinking 681 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 1: to myself, did I make the right decision. Am I 682 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,799 Speaker 1: going to want to come back again next year? And 683 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 1: then you give it a few days and I feel, no, 684 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,879 Speaker 1: I made the right decision, And no, I don't want 685 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 1: to pick up a bat, I don't want to throw 686 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 1: a ball. I don't want to do anything along those lines. 687 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 1: And so it's the same sort of thing with my 688 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,959 Speaker 1: next career. I have some things I'm thinking about, but 689 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 1: right now, the idea of getting up and going for 690 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,320 Speaker 1: a walker job job, excuse me, and going reading a book, 691 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 1: you know, going to school online, taking lessons. You know, 692 00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 1: I want to take a dance lesson or a cooking lesson, 693 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,400 Speaker 1: or learn an instrument, or even just spending gobs of 694 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 1: time with my family and my friends. Right now, that's 695 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 1: my priority. If I'll be honest with you, I feel 696 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 1: like after being away, I was essentially in a hotel 697 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 1: room and an airbnb, but mostly in a hotel room 698 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,720 Speaker 1: for the last five and a half months. It was tough. 699 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: You know, I'm not going to complain about but I 700 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 1: found it a challenge. But most importantly, I found it 701 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 1: difficult being away from the people I care about. So 702 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 1: I'm investing in that right now. 703 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,759 Speaker 3: Joey, I want to thank you for this and thank 704 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 3: you for everything over the years. It was an absolute 705 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,840 Speaker 3: privilege to cover you. You were always one of the 706 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,400 Speaker 3: most thoughtful interviews, always great with us and it was 707 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 3: just a pleasure man. 708 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:42,280 Speaker 1: That's all I can say. 709 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 3: And to everyone else, thanks for everyone for watching, for listening. 710 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,840 Speaker 3: You know where to find us, of course, Spotify, Apple 711 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:53,080 Speaker 3: and YouTube wherever you get your podcasts. 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