Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season two ninety five,
Speaker 1: Episode three of DAILY'SAI Ice Day production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: This is a.
Speaker 1: Podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness.
Speaker 1: And it is Thursday, July thirteenth, twenty twenty three. My
Speaker 1: name is Jack O'Brien aka Oh can't you see Ronda
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Speaker 1: Your general vibe is off putting, in bleak he he
Speaker 1: he A Rono, No, that is courtesy of Pat on
Speaker 1: the discord, just Pat. Pat says kind of low effort
Speaker 1: on my part, Not low effort enough for me, Pat,
Speaker 1: I love it, Thank you, sir, he he he. I
Speaker 1: went with a Michael Jackson direction on that one. You know, Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: I'm thrilled to be joined by very special guest co host,
Speaker 1: the producer behind shows like Fake Doctor's Real Friends, Welcome
Speaker 1: to our show. A brilliant writer who you can read
Speaker 1: at Vulture, the Avy Club team book page, the advocate.
Speaker 1: You've heard her on Pop Culture Happy. It's the brilliant,
Speaker 1: the talented Joe Almoney.
Speaker 2: You guys have to add filmmaker to the list.
Speaker 1: Now filmmaking.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, she's making her filmmaking bag now. Hell, all
Speaker 2: the film are just pouring out.
Speaker 1: The filmmaking.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. I'm executive producing a short, which is
Speaker 2: a wild thing to say. People ask me what I'm doing.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm still not sure yet. It's a lot
Speaker 2: of email campaigns, a lot of yes we can get
Speaker 2: that after grants. It's basically money and paperwork, which is
Speaker 2: a very interesting and news side of filmmaking for me.
Speaker 2: But I'm excited because my friend's from college. He was
Speaker 2: my cinematographer. He named David Chari. He went to a
Speaker 2: FI he's been making movies. He wanted to challenge himself
Speaker 2: to make something he's never done before. So he's doing
Speaker 2: a one take film. So it's it is one shot,
Speaker 2: We're just going straight through. It is nineteen whoa yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a really long shot.
Speaker 1: A bit of a Russian arc situation.
Speaker 3: Russian Yeah.
Speaker 4: Chat with you.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 3: First.
Speaker 1: My second film, deep cut film reference to a movie
Speaker 1: I haven't seen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Off, Mike, you were talking about the red violin.
Speaker 1: Bit of red violin pitched a red violin type style
Speaker 1: film that follows a Dare T shirt off mic. So, yeah, my.
Speaker 2: Next film, I've already decided we're just going to add
Speaker 2: it to the roster there. It is perfect. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: we're excited. It's gonna be. Uh it's a mystery thriller satire.
Speaker 2: So it's it's funny, it's kind of dark and twisty.
Speaker 2: It's very surprising if you want to learn more about it,
Speaker 2: following you over on Instagram. So that's yes, this what's
Speaker 2: been happening in my world. And I'm excited to be
Speaker 2: back here with you.
Speaker 1: Well, we're excited to have you, and we're also excited
Speaker 1: to be joined in our third seat by another stalwart
Speaker 1: of the film scene, very talented writer, stand up comedian,
Speaker 1: podcast host of The Bechdel Cast. She also has to
Speaker 1: have a master's degree in film film. The most anagrammable
Speaker 1: name in the English language, it's Caitlin de Roda.
Speaker 3: Glad to be it's.
Speaker 1: Great to have you.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: You are wearing a T shirt that says night paint.
Speaker 2: It's just paint night, paint night or night paint, but
Speaker 2: paint night.
Speaker 4: So do either of you know what paint night is?
Speaker 2: I know, bite your shirt which is black with a
Speaker 2: beautiful splash of color right over the pea. I assumed
Speaker 2: it's either for couples and it's very romantic and or
Speaker 2: friend groups and there's some drinking and you paint an
Speaker 2: to nighttime. How close am.
Speaker 4: I mailed it? Yes, so I'm riding this shirt. I
Speaker 4: have this shirt because I was formerly a paint Night
Speaker 4: instructor for the first few months I lived in LA
Speaker 4: That's right, not to brag or anything.
Speaker 1: But.
Speaker 4: I would show up. I'd set up the event and
Speaker 4: then people would show up, often either on a date
Speaker 4: or it was a lot of friend groups. It was
Speaker 4: a lot of like middle aged women who were there
Speaker 4: to get drunk with their friends. Things like that. And
Speaker 4: you would usually paint a tree, okay most always a tree,
Speaker 4: and I would kind of guide you through how to
Speaker 4: make this painting because I'm among so many other talents
Speaker 4: and a painter.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 4: But make no mistake, I'm not a good painter. You
Speaker 4: do not have to be a very good to be
Speaker 4: a Paint Night instructor. You just kind of it's sort
Speaker 4: of it's not quite paint by numbers because you're like
Speaker 4: it's acrylic paints and you're like blending you're mixing colors. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: those are two different things. Little known fact. But yeah,
Speaker 4: so I would be like, here's how you paint this tree,
Speaker 4: and then they would paint it, and then they would
Speaker 4: get drunk and I'd have to like sell my soul
Speaker 4: to be like, please buy a raffle ticket to another
Speaker 4: paint night event, and then I would keep the money.
Speaker 4: It was it was, you know, and then oh, here's
Speaker 4: a fun story. Also, when I was first living in
Speaker 4: LA I was very broke, and people would usually order
Speaker 4: food because these would take place at generally like restaurants.
Speaker 4: There would be like a separate room and then people
Speaker 4: would order food and then they would leave a lot
Speaker 4: of it behind. So I would just take their leftovers.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, poor survival one oh one for food.
Speaker 2: Never pass it out.
Speaker 4: Never pass it up.
Speaker 2: I used to work at an AMC and at the
Speaker 2: end of the night, I guess were the hot dogs went?
Speaker 2: Oh straight home with me? Baby? Yeah.
Speaker 4: I Like there would be like a half eaten piece
Speaker 4: of pizza that I would eat. I would even cut.
Speaker 1: This was pretty covid.
Speaker 4: I threw caution to the wind. Okay, I love it.
Speaker 1: I I ate my weight. Like when I was a waiter,
Speaker 1: I ate my weight and leftover fries, like which fries
Speaker 1: don't even keep that well, but they had a little
Speaker 1: little sauce that brought them back to life. Just hurriedly
Speaker 1: shoveling cold fries into my mouth over a trash can, Like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm throwing us away? What are you talking about?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Truly?
Speaker 1: All right, Well, Caitlin, we're going to get to know
Speaker 1: you a little bit better, including I can't wait to
Speaker 1: hear your thoughts on the new Wonka trailer, which appears
Speaker 1: to be Paddington with with with Timothy Challamy as a
Speaker 1: funny little guy instead of Paddington like in there. But first,
Speaker 1: a few of the things we're talking about. Tucker Carlson.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of proud of that. If Tucker Carlson vlogs
Speaker 1: in the Woods and nobody watches, does Tucker Carlson actually vlog?
Speaker 1: Because it turns out we had raised the question. Everybody
Speaker 1: was like, oh, he's on Twitter now, and like his
Speaker 1: first video was seen by the equivalent of like the
Speaker 1: entire US population. We're fucked. And then like the other day,
Speaker 1: I think on this show, I was like, wait, did
Speaker 1: he never dropped a second episode huh, and I was like, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: Like Fox News sent a season to sist and I
Speaker 1: think he just like never got around. He's had eight
Speaker 1: episodes since then, and just nobody's really watching them or
Speaker 1: it's it's not making much of a mark. So we're
Speaker 1: gonna look at Tucky's numbers and just the question of,
Speaker 1: like how much of the their whole bullshit is just
Speaker 1: you know, media about their media, and like them just
Speaker 1: make themselves seem more important and popular than they actually are.
Speaker 1: We will catch up on We're in an interesting place
Speaker 1: with regards to AI and the popular imagination, and AI
Speaker 1: is the villain in the upcoming Mission Impossible movie, So
Speaker 1: we're just going to talk about that and some of
Speaker 1: the claims we're seeing in headlines and how they hold
Speaker 1: up to the truth. All of that plenty more. But first, Caitlin,
Speaker 1: I would love to ask you, what is something from
Speaker 1: your search history that's revealing about who you are?
Speaker 4: I googled first movie to show a toilet flushing?
Speaker 2: Yes, which one was it?
Speaker 4: Well? It is the movie Psycho by mister Alfred Hitchcock.
Speaker 2: It would be.
Speaker 1: I guess the Haze Code or something.
Speaker 4: Honestly, I feel like it maybe it would have been
Speaker 4: or like just the idea of toilets or you know,
Speaker 4: like pooping would be considered too improper by the Code.
Speaker 4: But by the sixties, which I think the movie came
Speaker 4: out in nineteen sixty, you know the Code, people were
Speaker 4: taking some liberties.
Speaker 1: People are taking some nasty shit, and we're just ready
Speaker 1: to see it confronted in their entertainment. Yeah, that movie
Speaker 1: was like the Old Boy of its day, Like every
Speaker 1: like they were like, yeah, we're gonna like throw this
Speaker 1: twist in where like the star dies halfway through, and
Speaker 1: also we're gonna show you a fucking toilet people, Like
Speaker 1: I do wonder if people were scandalized by that. That
Speaker 1: was That was a movie when it came out where
Speaker 1: everyone was like people are like throw going up in
Speaker 1: theaters and just running out of the running out of
Speaker 1: the theater because they're so scared of it like that.
Speaker 3: It was a big, big rage. So yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Wonder if it was the toilet that got it.
Speaker 4: It was that absolutely disgusted people. Well, I googled it
Speaker 4: because I I go to a trivia night. Sometimes I'm
Speaker 4: not just a paint night person. I also do trivia.
Speaker 1: I don't host all the nights.
Speaker 4: Yeah, every night of the week, there's a night for
Speaker 4: me and I will go and play like pub trivia,
Speaker 4: and there's this one that I frequent and they will
Speaker 4: post like one question ahead of time that you can
Speaker 4: look up and like. So it's basically like a freebee
Speaker 4: but so you have to like follow the account and
Speaker 4: then you get this like freebe question. And the question
Speaker 4: I think was what nineteen sixty horror movie was the
Speaker 4: first movie to show a toilet flushing on screens. So
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I have to know this.
Speaker 1: And then I knew it and you googled it. So
Speaker 1: you googled the answer while you were doing the thing.
Speaker 1: You're a cheater at trivia.
Speaker 4: I well, I wish, but I didn't even end up
Speaker 4: going to the trivia that night. Oh OK, So I
Speaker 4: was like, oh, no, I know the answer and I
Speaker 4: can stay home.
Speaker 2: That's perfect. I would you guys know that it was
Speaker 2: the Hays Code. They considered toilets vulgar in sixties. They
Speaker 2: started to loose in the code and they were concerned
Speaker 2: because there's toilet paper in it, and they were like
Speaker 2: contents in a toilet disgusting. We don't know about that,
Speaker 2: but they were like, listen, you can't see any actual
Speaker 2: body material in the toilet, so relax, and they did,
Speaker 2: and then it got out there, and I think that's hilarious.
Speaker 2: We were scared of toilets for a while in our cinema.
Speaker 2: H what would children have done? Well?
Speaker 1: For some reason, so I was remembering the like swirling
Speaker 1: shot of like where the camera like swirls in on
Speaker 1: her eye like as she's dying in the shower, and
Speaker 1: then the camera like kind of swirls around the swirling
Speaker 1: water in the and I assumed that it was like
Speaker 1: a match to that. It just like went to a
Speaker 1: toilet and showed like a toilet swirling, but that that's
Speaker 1: not what happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to just.
Speaker 1: Cut to somebody flashing a toilet, like finishing up their business.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Norman Bates is like, yes, I have to take
Speaker 4: a break from Psycho Poopy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well amazing. What is what's something that you think
Speaker 1: is overrated?
Speaker 4: I think that Wes Anderson is overrated?
Speaker 2: What the job for saying what exactly about Les Anderson
Speaker 2: is over.
Speaker 4: I think, look, I he just tells the same quirky
Speaker 4: little story over and over again. Granted I have not
Speaker 4: seen Asteroid City yet, so maybe this one will just
Speaker 4: blow me away and I will be excited again. To
Speaker 4: be clear, there was a time period where I did
Speaker 4: like his work, but I don't know. Maybe I think
Speaker 4: it's just like too repetitive. I don't know, And but like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I get it, like he's an not a tour so
Speaker 4: he's going to have a distinct style that he kind
Speaker 4: of just keeps recycling over and over. But like, I
Speaker 4: don't know, I just like find his quirky little quirkiness
Speaker 4: a bit tiresome these days.
Speaker 3: Yea, what era?
Speaker 2: I would say, Well, the.
Speaker 4: Peak for me was fantastic mister Fox.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, that's.
Speaker 4: Probably my favorite of his and leading up to but
Speaker 4: then like after that, I felt like there was just a.
Speaker 2: Dec rise Kingdom.
Speaker 4: I think that one was like okay, fine, and then
Speaker 4: and then again another controversial take here, but I thought
Speaker 4: that Isle of Dogs was speaking of toilets.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh gosh, I think that's totally fair. I okay,
Speaker 2: here's my experience watching almost every Wes Anderson film. Just like, gosh,
Speaker 2: that's really pretty Ohen Wilson, He's always delightful. Costume should
Speaker 2: get credit. Wow, the fits are fitting that movie was
Speaker 2: that I'll never watch it again and don't revisit Wes
Speaker 2: Anderson films. They're like very beautiful. I feel like they
Speaker 2: have just en a story to avoid being museum pieces.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: You've seen a movie in the museum.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Right, But it's like, tell me the plot of any
Speaker 4: Wes Anderson movie. You can't like, I can't do it, Like,
Speaker 4: I don't like, they just don't stick with me. I
Speaker 4: feel like it's just like you see a frame and
Speaker 4: you're like, wow, look at all that headroom. That's nice,
Speaker 4: and look at this misan sen woo, and then you're like,
Speaker 4: but what was the plot? And also why did I
Speaker 4: watch it?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I feel like he is going to be the least
Speaker 1: likely filmmaker too for you to be like, oh, he
Speaker 1: really surprised me on this one. This is this is
Speaker 1: not I did not see this one coming. I think
Speaker 1: his like French Dispatch, was his attempt to do something different,
Speaker 1: and I think it's like it's it's definitely my least
Speaker 1: favorite of his movies.
Speaker 4: I skimmed it. I couldn't be bothered.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's it also seems like I don't see
Speaker 1: that many people like writing for that one usually, like
Speaker 1: I feel like his movies are some people really like it,
Speaker 1: some people really hate it, and you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: kind of random, Like I really like Grand Budapest Hotel,
Speaker 1: but I don't like a lot of the ones around that,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of the only later era one that
Speaker 1: I really enjoy. But a lot of people like really
Speaker 1: love The Life Aquatic. I've never really connected with that
Speaker 1: one either, But yeah, French Dispatch felt like people were like, huh,
Speaker 1: we're we're not going with you on this one. There
Speaker 1: are some really good performances in it. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I like part of me wants to see the Asteroid
Speaker 1: City one because I don't know, it just looks like
Speaker 1: he's instead of trying to do something different, he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to do the same so hard.
Speaker 4: Oh you didn't like it when I tried something new, Well, fine,
Speaker 4: I'll do the thing again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how about if Wes Anderson tried to make a
Speaker 1: Wes Anderson movie. He like got jealous of all the
Speaker 1: people being like on social media being like what if
Speaker 1: your day was a Wes Anderson movie? And it's like a.
Speaker 2: Wild to me that he was upset about that. I
Speaker 2: was really trying to ut that yeah, oh well, yeah
Speaker 2: he came out. He was like, I would never look
Speaker 2: at those, and people were like, it's like people are
Speaker 2: just homoging. You felt like that. I think that the
Speaker 2: highest form of flattery is like the entire Internet got
Speaker 2: together and was like, I think your aesthetic is so
Speaker 2: utterly charming. I'm gonna place myself inside of it. It
Speaker 2: was I really liked to meet I thought it was cute.
Speaker 2: Disappointing court your fan base, please, I think it's This
Speaker 2: is the best a parasocial relationship can be, is just
Speaker 2: to say, hey, guys, I see you and I liked
Speaker 2: what you did, and thank you and then just move on.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I wonder if it's also like you, it would just
Speaker 1: be like he's worried. It would like fuck him up
Speaker 1: a little bit to see everybody's like version of him,
Speaker 1: the way that like seeing someone do an impression of
Speaker 1: you can be a little unnerving for the first time.
Speaker 2: You know that is fair that okay?
Speaker 1: Maybe, or maybe it's just an asshole. I couldn't possibly
Speaker 1: imagine a universe where that's true.
Speaker 2: That's from Wes Anderson it's his quote directly. So okay,
Speaker 2: So Wes Anderson said about the memes, I'm very good
Speaker 2: at protecting myself from seeing all that stuff. If somebody
Speaker 2: sends me something like that, I'll immediately erase it and say,
Speaker 2: please sorry, do not send me things of people doing me,
Speaker 2: because I do not want to look at it thinking.
Speaker 4: Is that what I do?
Speaker 2: Is that? What I mean? I don't want to see
Speaker 2: too much of someone else thinking about what I try
Speaker 2: to be, because God knows I could then start doing it.
Speaker 2: So to your point, Jack, this is a form of
Speaker 2: self protection. And now I dismissed the love of his fans.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right. Also he does betray in that
Speaker 1: quote like a little bit of like a thing I
Speaker 1: always suspect about anybody who got famous before, like a
Speaker 1: certain point like that, they just like don't know how
Speaker 1: technology works. Is like, if someone sends me something, I
Speaker 1: erase it. What you mean, you erase it the link
Speaker 1: that they sent to you?
Speaker 4: They delete it from Internet dot org.
Speaker 1: Oh man, what Caitlin, what's something you think is underrated?
Speaker 4: All right? Continuing on the on the movie train two, Yeah,
Speaker 4: mission impossible. Four people are not out here riding for
Speaker 4: Mission Impossible four specifically the way that I think they should.
Speaker 4: People are like, oh wow, Rogue Nation, Oh wow, the
Speaker 4: number six one. Oh, I really love number three. No,
Speaker 4: there's no love ever for Mission Impossible. For Ghost protocol.
Speaker 1: Oh, I think that's the best one.
Speaker 4: I think so too. It's so good, I know, But no,
Speaker 4: we are alone in this world, I think Jack.
Speaker 1: I thought I thought that one was the one where
Speaker 1: everyone was like, okay this, Like I thought that one
Speaker 1: kind of picked it up at least in like the
Speaker 1: critical consensus. Like three, two was not good. It was stinky.
Speaker 4: It was another toilet movie hair commercial.
Speaker 1: It was a hair like he just it was just
Speaker 1: glamour shots of Tom Cruise and then Tom Cruise doing
Speaker 1: impossible things, but not in the way that we like
Speaker 1: jumping a motorcycle be not off of something, just making
Speaker 1: it jump somehow. But and then three was like kind
Speaker 1: of but like four seemed every everybody seemed on board
Speaker 1: with it, and like brad Bird so huge, right.
Speaker 2: Four so fucking fire. I just get up and I
Speaker 2: couldn't remember. I don't if we just say numbers, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I've seen so many.
Speaker 1: Sorry, Joel, Mission Impossible, Ghost Protocols of the program again.
Speaker 2: Not plot, but I remember places. You remember Tom Cruise
Speaker 2: hanging off the side of a building, just scaling.
Speaker 1: One of the tops building in the world.
Speaker 2: The window and then his gloves are failing, and then
Speaker 2: a sandstorm is coming while they're trying to do switch
Speaker 2: through inside the building. Fucking fantastic. But I was just
Speaker 2: on this list in fuck Tom Cruise. But man makes
Speaker 2: a good movie. I'm sorry, It's really fuck good. And
Speaker 2: it's like the intensity is so great. We have Paula Patton,
Speaker 2: a black woman in here, just being the hot lady
Speaker 2: that's walking around in gorgeous dresses. We love to see it,
Speaker 2: like yeah, Ghost and Ghost Protocol just title alone peak.
Speaker 2: But then you also get if you're a person who
Speaker 2: really loves the relationships in Mission Impossible, there's like a
Speaker 2: lot of heart coming through with he gets back with
Speaker 2: his lady. I think spoiler alert at the end, he's like,
Speaker 2: oh God, I see my girl and I love her.
Speaker 2: This is also the movie where the final villain is
Speaker 2: just raining cars on people and Tom's got one. Yeah,
Speaker 2: freaking rocks, dude.
Speaker 1: One of those car lift things that I've always like
Speaker 1: seen passing by, like on a highway and been like
Speaker 1: that can't be like the best way of historic cars?
Speaker 4: How does this work?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I feel like that's is that not the first one?
Speaker 4: Where like Simon Peg is pretty heavily involved both as
Speaker 4: a cast member, and I think I'm the like kind
Speaker 4: of writing team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's yeah, Yeah, It's just it's good.
Speaker 4: But people are like, some what is the sixth one called?
Speaker 4: I keep trying to conjure faut I think fallout?
Speaker 3: Fallout?
Speaker 4: People are like, oh, remember the fight in the bathroom
Speaker 4: when they're punching each other. I'm like, what about the
Speaker 4: fourth movie? Though?
Speaker 2: Ye arm slash guncock is an iconic moment and mission
Speaker 2: impossible history and sexuality of this country. We all really
Speaker 2: changed and evolved? Was that two seconds?
Speaker 1: Henry Call? Is that who we're talking about?
Speaker 2: He had a mustache in his arms like they were guns.
Speaker 2: It was time to be alive. We were two years
Speaker 2: from COVID, We were innocent, We didn't know, we didn't
Speaker 2: not know. But yeah, as a whole, I don't know
Speaker 2: if it beats out am I four for.
Speaker 4: Me my best?
Speaker 1: I wonder if there's some intentional like kind of diminishing
Speaker 1: of ghost protocol because everything since then I think has
Speaker 1: been Christopher Macquarie and Tom Cruise, and they like partner
Speaker 1: on everything, so maybe they're you know, they just don't
Speaker 1: want to talk about it and like emphasize it as much.
Speaker 1: But I do feel like, like people who are into movies,
Speaker 1: that is their favorite mission impossible movie. So if you
Speaker 1: if you have somehow missed it, if you've fallen into
Speaker 1: the Cruise Macquarie Gray out of ghost protocol, you know that,
Speaker 1: definitely check it out. It's a it's a blast it
Speaker 1: all right. Have you seen the new one came out?
Speaker 1: I believe last night?
Speaker 4: Oh did it?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 4: Like as an early release? No, I have an AMC
Speaker 4: A List stubs reservation. We come to this place for magic,
Speaker 4: of course.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my reservation pants and high heels and through puddles.
Speaker 4: I am seeing it on Saturday morning.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 1: I think I need to get that my last trip
Speaker 1: to the movies with my kids to see Across the
Speaker 1: Spider Verse, which, by the way, I do want to
Speaker 1: get your opinion on that. Calen Gosh, you are the
Speaker 1: person who made me watch Into the Spider Verse with
Speaker 1: my son when he was You didn't make me, but
Speaker 1: you told me.
Speaker 4: I held you.
Speaker 1: You got me so excited about that movie. I was like,
Speaker 1: we're going to watch this even though you're three, and
Speaker 1: he loved it and he loved this one. But the
Speaker 1: line at the concessions, they finally wore me down where
Speaker 1: the line was like a Disney World line, like it
Speaker 1: was just it was not moving. It was thirty minutes
Speaker 1: of waiting to get the concessions.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so you get yourself a little stubs car.
Speaker 2: You could just pre order that. Yeah, and why do
Speaker 2: you walk up your radio? Although I do recommend not
Speaker 2: pre ordering your popcorn if you go first thing in
Speaker 2: the morning. Listen, here's if you go on first Thing
Speaker 2: in the morning, like Kaitlin's going Saturday morning, you can
Speaker 2: preorder your popcorn because they pop their popcorn fresh in
Speaker 2: the morning and it's totally fine and it'll be tasty.
Speaker 2: If you're going to a movie after three o'clock, I'll
Speaker 2: get your popcorn in the AMC goal line, because it's
Speaker 2: popcorn that they popped like four hours ago and it's
Speaker 2: all crumbly and it's just not good.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break and we'll come back.
Speaker 1: I have two different films that I want to ask
Speaker 1: Kaylin about we'll be right back, and we're back. And Kaylin,
Speaker 1: you are famous famously a huge proponent of Paddington, Paddington two,
Speaker 1: and Paddington three, the Willy Wonka origin story, which seems
Speaker 1: to be, well, we've just seen a trailer for so
Speaker 1: we took a little break. We stopped down during the
Speaker 1: break to for.
Speaker 3: Everybody to watch the wank.
Speaker 1: Is that what it's called? Wonka Wonka? Just Wonka cut
Speaker 1: the Willie and Chocolate Factory, just Wonka. It's cleaner, that
Speaker 1: has a lot of like the Paddingtonian like charms, and
Speaker 1: like it feels like it takes place in the same
Speaker 1: universe as Paddington and certain certain parts.
Speaker 4: I mean, from what I can tell, they're recycling sets
Speaker 4: from yeah, Paddington movies. They're recycling the cast of the
Speaker 4: Paddington movies. And obviously it's the same director and screenwriter
Speaker 4: as I mean, Paul King directed both Paddington one and
Speaker 4: two except for not three, which I'm a little nervous about.
Speaker 1: But uh.
Speaker 4: And then Simon Farnaby is that his name?
Speaker 1: I hope it is Simon Farnaby the fuck out of here,
Speaker 1: so British get me.
Speaker 4: He co wrote the screenplay for Paddington two. He's also
Speaker 4: the guy who plays the guard in both Paddington movies.
Speaker 4: He has a.
Speaker 1: Little bit part does he have a mustache and kind
Speaker 1: of a round face.
Speaker 4: No mustache, but he's got I was actually called it
Speaker 4: more of a square face, okay. And he's the guy
Speaker 4: who the joke is that he's attracted to men who
Speaker 4: are dressed as women. So the implications of that and
Speaker 4: it being framed as a joke is a little questionable.
Speaker 4: But he that's like his gimmick in both movies.
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, I mean so okay, this guy that's about
Speaker 1: what I'd expect to Simon Farnabye to look like it's
Speaker 1: got wild hair. But yeah, it just seems like and
Speaker 1: there's some like mildly problematic like I don't know, white
Speaker 1: saviorism stuff happening here. And somebody who like at one
Speaker 1: point steps out of a car that seems to be
Speaker 1: completely full of shit, which I'm not sure what or
Speaker 1: maybe that's chocolate.
Speaker 2: Chocolate, that's chocolate.
Speaker 4: You know the movie about a man who makes chocolate.
Speaker 4: There's a car full of shit corn. Also, I think
Speaker 4: Keith and Michael Key is in a fat suit at
Speaker 4: one point, like killing him. I'm not sure about this movie.
Speaker 4: I also have so much Timothy Charalamaie that's the word fatigue. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm very fatigued.
Speaker 3: Yeah mmm mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: So the young lad is talented. I quite liked his
Speaker 2: performance in Dune. He was doing the thing. Yeah. Here
Speaker 2: it seems I can't even necessarily say miscasts. It just doesn't.
Speaker 2: Nothing seems to quite be coming together in a way
Speaker 2: that gives you the warm guey's that a Paddington gives you.
Speaker 2: Perhapsicus Paddington is an animated bear and precocious and able
Speaker 2: beyond all measure. And that's a boy. He's a very
Speaker 2: famous guy who's face for all fail. It just lacks
Speaker 2: the whole suspension of disbelief required to kind of sink
Speaker 2: into like, oh it's a cozy British movie. And it
Speaker 2: was funny because as the credits wereroll and they're like
Speaker 2: from the team that brought you Paddington as producers of
Speaker 2: Harry Potter, I said, of course, of course they did this.
Speaker 2: Look at these aerial shots, so CG spaces completely unnecessarily.
Speaker 2: Britain is no shortage of adorable little shops you could
Speaker 2: fill matt and or imitate why are we here in
Speaker 2: this like cement circle space. I didn't understand any of
Speaker 2: the choices made. I wasn't getting the tone or story
Speaker 2: that I think one would hope for. And I also
Speaker 2: think oopah oompus are so problematic and you can't just
Speaker 2: keep doing this with rolled all properties and being like,
Speaker 2: so we know racism was involved, but we just ran
Speaker 2: in the other direction. So it's totally fine, we are
Speaker 2: not addressing it. But also we're not giving up these properties.
Speaker 2: So here, Yeah, formerly racist thing right in your face.
Speaker 2: Enjoys keep now though it's charming, it's not. It's very annoying.
Speaker 4: Now Hugh Grant plays that would ask.
Speaker 1: The question what if Grant was orange?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say I got the smallest chuckle out
Speaker 2: of once we start, we can't stop dancing, and Hugrant's
Speaker 2: ass is just in the air. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I bet this movie gets me at points because they
Speaker 2: know how to trigger someone into crying and or like
Speaker 2: being like, oh, but I doubt it's cohesive as an
Speaker 2: entire film. Is where I'm asking off that trailer.
Speaker 1: We will see. Willy Wonka is a creep in the
Speaker 1: movies that succeed like he's so I'm not sure what
Speaker 1: they're doing, what they're going to do with that part
Speaker 1: like that. That is kind of what's fun about him
Speaker 1: is there's like an edge of danger there and this
Speaker 1: just seems to be like he's the story of an amazing,
Speaker 1: magical kid who's good at everything and yeah, has a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of whimsy and gumption. Anyways, and
Speaker 1: then across the Spider verse, just a full triumph.
Speaker 4: Oh, best movie I've ever seen, maybe people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I loved it. Okay, all right, speaking of it
Speaker 1: the best movie we've ever seen, that's yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it's it's great. Yeah, not great. Tucker Carlson's Man of
Speaker 1: the Woods era seems to be so I don't know,
Speaker 1: his show dropped. There was like the announcement that everybody
Speaker 1: made a big deal about got one hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: seven million tweet views. That's not people who viewed the video,
Speaker 1: that's people who saw the tweet episode one one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty million. That's like a big portion of the
Speaker 1: US population. And then it kind of disappeared off my radar.
Speaker 1: I did not know what was happening. But yeah, so
Speaker 1: there's like this new thing making the rounds because he's
Speaker 1: interviewing accused rapist Andrew Taate for what appears to be
Speaker 1: two and a half hours. Oh seems to be too
Speaker 1: many hours for that interview to take place. But the
Speaker 1: most surprising thing for me was that it is episode
Speaker 1: eight of his show. We've they've kept making them and
Speaker 1: just like nobody like really noticed or gave a shit.
Speaker 1: They seemed there seemed to be a promise with like
Speaker 1: the announcement in the first episode, like Elon and Carlson together,
Speaker 1: now you know you're in trouble friends, And it's just
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem to have taken And now I think
Speaker 1: that's where the Andrew Tait thing's coming from, presumably like
Speaker 1: the liver King is coming to the show soon, because
Speaker 1: it's just like, well, this person's popular on the internet, right,
Speaker 1: we'll go with them.
Speaker 4: Anything for ratings.
Speaker 1: Anything for anything for them, sweet internet ratings. But yeah,
Speaker 1: the numbers go from one hundred and twenty million tweet
Speaker 1: views on the first to sixty million to uh there
Speaker 1: was Trump got indicted, So bounce back up to one
Speaker 1: hundred and four but down to thirty two million, then
Speaker 1: seventeen fifteen eight point six million tweet views on the
Speaker 1: last one, which, yeah, I think in the world of
Speaker 1: trend forecasting, that's known as a death spiral. But you
Speaker 1: can actually see the spiral shape because there's a trailing
Speaker 1: tale of panicked diarrhea. Yeah, that's the official I'm just
Speaker 1: reading that off and it is chocolate, right, Yeah, But
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm sure there's gonna be an uptick
Speaker 1: with Andrew Tait interview, but I don't know.
Speaker 2: I wonder if he's a victim of like atomic habits.
Speaker 2: You know, he's no longer on his like main network, right,
Speaker 2: so people who are routinely watching Fox and like, okay,
Speaker 2: so there we are, we go, it can easily find him,
Speaker 2: Like now you have to kind of go searching for him.
Speaker 2: And then Twitter is imploding like rapidly. And so because
Speaker 2: I don't think his base, at least from what I
Speaker 2: know has been, is discouraged or off of watching him,
Speaker 2: I doubt it's his actual popularity and so much of
Speaker 2: shifting I wanted to be his popularity. I just think
Speaker 2: it's probably more likely that all of the shifting of
Speaker 2: platforms and the ever changing social media landscape as it
Speaker 2: exists currently might be interfering overall with people just naturally
Speaker 2: being able to find him.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Also, these numbers are tweet views, right, so it doesn't
Speaker 4: even mean that the person watched the episode, right.
Speaker 1: So we actually found those numbers for like people who
Speaker 1: actually watched the episode. And first of all, these numbers
Speaker 1: are wildly inflated because in order to count as a
Speaker 1: video view, you just have to have watched it for
Speaker 1: two seconds. But they're like all a fraction of the
Speaker 1: numbers were that you would see the tweet views, Like
Speaker 1: his episode one was not viewed by one hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty million people, the actual episode was viewed twenty six
Speaker 1: point seven million times for at least two seconds. And
Speaker 1: his latest one was not eight point six million, it
Speaker 1: was three point eight million, which again that's two seconds
Speaker 1: of viewing. That's about as much as his like TV
Speaker 1: show ratings, where like people actually have to watch like
Speaker 1: a chunk of the episode in order for it to count.
Speaker 1: Like and this is like, you know, three point eight
Speaker 1: million people glancing past it, watching it for two seconds
Speaker 1: accidentally and then being like no thanks, So and the
Speaker 1: trend is just very has to be a little discouraging.
Speaker 1: So I'm assuming there's going to be a lot of
Speaker 1: tweets from Elon Musk being like these numbers are actually great,
Speaker 1: and you know he's going to be pushing these really
Speaker 1: hard to get the numbers back up because this drastically
Speaker 1: undercuts his narrative the Twitter is like the future of media,
Speaker 1: and that he's doing a good job, I think is
Speaker 1: actually the main part of his narrative. But I also
Speaker 1: I also just think that there's there there's certainly a
Speaker 1: sizable portion, like too large a portion of the population
Speaker 1: that watches Tucker Carlson and thinks he makes sense and
Speaker 1: shit like that. But I think they have in the
Speaker 1: mainstream media and like our media echo chamber have like
Speaker 1: over made us over estimate how big that is. And
Speaker 1: like they're like the far right movement, Like I think
Speaker 1: they're finding out like in a bunch of ways, across
Speaker 1: a bunch of different stories, like we're finding out the
Speaker 1: book bands are like only like there's like a handful
Speaker 1: of people who made the book bands happen, the like
Speaker 1: Mothers for Liberty is like a loose assortment of people
Speaker 1: like from across the country who are like they're not
Speaker 1: even from the school boards or the school districts that
Speaker 1: they are terrorizing, and like the midterms, where I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people were like, oh, this will be
Speaker 1: a wake up call. There should be a wake up
Speaker 1: call people don't like when the Republican Party goes in
Speaker 1: this like far right direction, or at least not enough
Speaker 1: people like it. So I don't know, it just feels
Speaker 1: like we've been seeing stories repeatedly that's like people aren't
Speaker 1: like this crazy. You know, like the the like super
Speaker 1: far right is not as big as they appear to
Speaker 1: be when in the mainstream media, and like when you're
Speaker 1: when you're seeing the news stories that like they generate.
Speaker 1: There's like a lot of the Westboro Baptist Church effect
Speaker 1: happening where that organization, which actually was just a family
Speaker 1: out in Kansas, was able to like dominate mainstream media
Speaker 1: coverage for like a decade.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: It's like the by being outrageous and infuriating, you were
Speaker 1: able to make yourself seem like you're one of the biggest,
Speaker 1: most important, like cultural movements instead of just being you know,
Speaker 1: kind of making a lot of people uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a whole digital masking as well. If you
Speaker 2: think about, you know, the way Facebook drove us from
Speaker 2: written work to video with false numbers. A lot of
Speaker 2: people are claiming they're seeing similar trends on Twitter, and
Speaker 2: that as soon as they started showing stats under tweets,
Speaker 2: people were like, these numbers seem off as compared to like,
Speaker 2: you know, people have independent trackers that like get all
Speaker 2: of this information from their Twitter handles, and the numbers
Speaker 2: are not correlating. And so it wouldn't surprise me if
Speaker 2: even the generosity of those numbers Undertucker's show were you know,
Speaker 2: being doctored from within.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh for sure.
Speaker 1: And like, I don't know how they could have foreseen
Speaker 1: that a pivot to video would not work, you know,
Speaker 1: decades after that like basically broke the rest of the media.
Speaker 1: But that seems to be one of his main strategies.
Speaker 1: It's almost like Elon Musk's not that smart, almost like
Speaker 1: Sean Musk is not as smart as we've all been
Speaker 1: pretending he has. All right, let's take a quick break
Speaker 1: and we'll come back and talk about.
Speaker 3: AI and we're back.
Speaker 1: And so the latest Mission Impossible dropped last night or
Speaker 1: two nights ago. It's getting great reviews. It does indeed
Speaker 1: seem to be about Ethan Hunt battling a self aware
Speaker 1: AI program known as the entity which I don't know
Speaker 1: this like he might as well from my perspective, like
Speaker 1: that is as dramatically impactful as like he's battling a
Speaker 1: wizard this time. It's just like okay, well that doesn't
Speaker 1: really make sense to me or like does it's not
Speaker 1: like really a thing, and that does. When people are
Speaker 1: critical of the movie, they seem to say, like all
Speaker 1: the stuff about AI kind of drags a little bit,
Speaker 1: but and visually it is depicted as basically an evil
Speaker 1: screensaver from nineteen ninety nine, like it's just the black
Speaker 1: circle with like white dots of light. Three hundred million
Speaker 1: dollar movie, by the way, but it can so. The
Speaker 1: main claim that the movie makes about this AI and
Speaker 1: I guess AI in general is that the program can
Speaker 1: also see the future, like very specifically through its predictive technology.
Speaker 1: And that's like based on what we're seeing in news
Speaker 1: headlines like the you know, deep learning teaching computers to
Speaker 1: predict the future is like a headline. I feel like
Speaker 1: I've seen a hundred times spooky Artificial intelligence can accurately
Speaker 1: predict the future, and it's about to be asked more questions,
Speaker 1: a I can now predict crime before it happens as well.
Speaker 1: We'll get into in a moment.
Speaker 3: And you mean like.
Speaker 4: That movie Minority Report.
Speaker 1: Also, yeah, Tom Cruise Cruise, Yeah, he's he. I feel
Speaker 1: like his sense of reality is probably more blurred by
Speaker 1: the movies he's in than any other movie star.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because he has an entire organization blurring his reality. Yeah,
Speaker 2: before he hits set and then you're in that magical
Speaker 2: landscape where he's made himself king. Yeah. I mean that
Speaker 2: that guy's not living on planet earthly, he doesn't need to.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: This movie actually was like written, it was supposed to
Speaker 1: come out like years ago, but the production famously shut
Speaker 1: down due to the coronavirus outbreak, which, according to reports
Speaker 1: in February twenty twenty, was putting a real damper on
Speaker 1: offshore location shoots. Wow, he gave us the Tom Cruise
Speaker 1: thing where it was clear that he thought he was
Speaker 1: the last barrier between like the end of the world
Speaker 1: and you know, coronavirus just like killing everyone where he
Speaker 1: was like shouting at everyone. But first of all, I
Speaker 1: just want to say to AI, speaking of I'd like
Speaker 1: to issue a big where were you on that one?
Speaker 1: Dipshit to the AI on predicting the global pandemic, Like
Speaker 1: we couldn't we couldn't see that one coming. A lot
Speaker 1: of people saw it coming, people just mere people saw
Speaker 1: it coming. But yeah, the whole predicting the future thing
Speaker 1: seems to be vastly overstated. Like there's a so the
Speaker 1: MI T researchers who had created a computer that could supposedly.
Speaker 4: Mission impossible technology Mission Impossible Technology am I technology.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, they are loosely associated. But it was basically
Speaker 1: like they were predicting. They would show the computer a
Speaker 1: picture and then the computer would predict, like what would
Speaker 1: happen for the next one point five seconds in that picture?
Speaker 1: And like that it was like someone walking across a
Speaker 1: golf course and they were like, that thing's about to
Speaker 1: keep walking across that golf course and they were like,
Speaker 1: holy shit, you guys. Or like one was a wave crashing,
Speaker 1: they were like, I think it's gonna keep crashing. Call
Speaker 1: me crazy, and they were like, fucking a, do you
Speaker 1: think it's brilliant? Thing's magical and yeah, and then like
Speaker 1: MIT Mission Possible Technology also developed an algorithm that could
Speaker 1: predict how people will greet each other and got a
Speaker 1: lot of cool headlines for that it was trained on
Speaker 1: YouTube videos and reruns of the Office and Desperate Housewives amazing,
Speaker 1: and it was only right just over forty three percent
Speaker 1: of the time.
Speaker 2: We never greet each other like we do on Just
Speaker 2: for Housewives. I wish we did, but like, I can't
Speaker 2: just walk up to my enemy and slap them across
Speaker 2: the face.
Speaker 1: It's not reality, I know, and that sucks. And hopefully
Speaker 1: we'll get to that world soon. That's my future that
Speaker 1: I'm hopeful for. But so one second away from the greeting,
Speaker 1: they could only predict it forty three percent at the time.
Speaker 1: So this is what I'm always wondering, Like, what how
Speaker 1: does that compare to humans? Humans making the same prediction
Speaker 1: were right seventy one percent of the time. Oh so
Speaker 1: much better than this AI that everyone did. You guys
Speaker 1: ever see the sixty minutes where they like this sixty
Speaker 1: minutes about AI. I think it came out like back
Speaker 1: in March or April, and like Scott, I think it's
Speaker 1: Scott Pelly, like one of the old journalists on sixty
Speaker 1: Minutes is just like okay, like write a speech for
Speaker 1: me about this, and then he seems to be blown
Speaker 1: away by the amount of text it produces like he's
Speaker 1: like that just rolled a whole speech in four seconds,
Speaker 1: Like he's it's like he's never seen a computer before.
Speaker 1: But I do think we're at a weird place where
Speaker 1: people will you can just be like magic AI is
Speaker 1: bad guy in movie, and everyone's like, yep, that makes sense,
Speaker 1: because like we we should be afraid of AI, but
Speaker 1: people don't really know why necessarily we should be, and
Speaker 1: so we just you know, like it's the same thing
Speaker 1: that happens with all our conspiracy theories, and you know,
Speaker 1: we should be scared about the pandemic, we should be
Speaker 1: scared about the government's response to the pandemic, but people
Speaker 1: create like vast conspiracy theories just to make sure they're
Speaker 1: like scared about it for nonsensical reasons. It's like we
Speaker 1: need that like cognitive dissonance transference happening, and I feel
Speaker 1: like we're starting to see that with AI, where they're
Speaker 1: like AI is going to be magic and tell us
Speaker 1: everything that could happen to us for the rest of
Speaker 1: our lives. And that's that's not the scary thing about AI, right.
Speaker 4: The scary thing is like Skynet, and that's the thing,
Speaker 4: like movies have been having AI as the villain for
Speaker 4: like decades now, and I feel like I don't know
Speaker 4: what my point is gonna be. But remember Terminator one.
Speaker 4: I remember the Matrix from nineteen ninety nine, over twenty
Speaker 4: years ago. Like, I just think it's funny that AI,
Speaker 4: I guess, hasn't evolved very much in movies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: No, I mean for real, like we've been knowing though,
Speaker 4: is what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it's interesting. You know, movies, by
Speaker 2: their very nature have to heighten and dramatize in order
Speaker 2: to effectively bring home their matches, particularly if we're looking
Speaker 2: at genre films, and the AI has always been like,
Speaker 2: you know, turns into a cop and now it's hunting you,
Speaker 2: or you know, it takes away your freedom of choice,
Speaker 2: you know, if we look at the Matrix, Yes, what's
Speaker 2: the other one that report about minority report Like they're
Speaker 2: that crime.
Speaker 1: And it's said in the future. It's like a sci
Speaker 1: fi movie where sorry, mission impossible is supposed to be,
Speaker 1: like even though they can take masks off that make
Speaker 1: them look exactly like the other person, like you wouldn't
Speaker 1: see Tom Cruise fighting robots necessarily, or like no, you
Speaker 1: know that that feels like it's a step into this
Speaker 1: is ship that can actually happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and I appreciate the grounding. I think we
Speaker 2: got there because it's so much more tactile in this moment.
Speaker 2: I think between if you think about your grocery store
Speaker 2: workers who have been concerned about self checkout for like
Speaker 2: over a decade, a lot of those stories are unionized
Speaker 2: and have actively been like, hey, you're taking jobs from
Speaker 2: like checkout counter people, some of whom are elderly, and
Speaker 2: this is like the last place they can work and
Speaker 2: make money consistently. To the writers and actors who may
Speaker 2: be on strike by the time this comes out, and
Speaker 2: there feared that not only could AI bes to take
Speaker 2: their job, but I mean for performers, can my face
Speaker 2: be doing things long, long, long after I'm dead? And
Speaker 2: what will that look like? I think, as we're sort
Speaker 2: of confronting these things. AI is a really freaking dope tool.
Speaker 2: I'm so much more concerned about these executives who are like,
Speaker 2: oh great, now I don't have to pay people. Did
Speaker 2: you guys see the I on nine article that was
Speaker 2: written by AI. They came out a couple days ago.
Speaker 2: They have Internet in a tangle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is like I've ever since I've been you know,
Speaker 1: working on the Internet, creating trying to create like unique
Speaker 1: interesting content. There's also been this push to just flood
Speaker 1: the zone with shit. To quote Steve Bannon, like we
Speaker 1: we used to like cracked zoned by a company that
Speaker 1: was like also just destroying Google's search results with just
Speaker 1: like fake articles like answers to questions and stuff. And
Speaker 1: they were like trying to get us to like do that,
Speaker 1: just like there was like scale, how do we scale?
Speaker 1: And like that's been you know that that intersection of
Speaker 1: tech and media has always been scary because it's very
Speaker 1: easy for them to just create ninety nine million articles
Speaker 1: using technology now that like yeah, pass like a little
Speaker 1: bit like you have to like read a paragraph to
Speaker 1: be like wait this this wasn't written by a human,
Speaker 1: was it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the article was like ranking the Star Wars
Speaker 2: movies in like chronological order, I think, yeah, And they
Speaker 2: got the dates wrong on many of them. Sometimes they
Speaker 2: weren't even listed in chronological order. The way they were dated.
Speaker 2: The information in individual movies was in correct, it was
Speaker 2: just error filled, Like no logical saying editor would have
Speaker 2: been like and publish. And what's crazy is I don't
Speaker 2: know his entire union that's actively been like, hey, we
Speaker 2: do not want this. It does not make sense to
Speaker 2: ask an AI program that cannot consistently write fact checked
Speaker 2: articles to be publishing these and then asking somebody an
Speaker 2: editor to like go through and essentially rewrite this incorrect
Speaker 2: work that isn't benefiting anyone, because who needs this list?
Speaker 2: We have twenty seven thousand of this very specific Well,
Speaker 2: this is dumb and it's wild that, you know. I'm
Speaker 2: glad the Internet roasted the editor in chief pretty intently.
Speaker 2: I'm really hoping that brings them back to the table
Speaker 2: and there can be working discussions about how this company
Speaker 2: decides to use AI and the future. But it's that
Speaker 2: kind of stupid shit that's like really draining, I think
Speaker 2: on workers across job titles. It's just like, what are
Speaker 2: we what are you trying? You just want to force
Speaker 2: people out of work, and that's not a logical thing
Speaker 2: for you to do to yourself. You mean the product money.
Speaker 5: Yeah, to your point, the product sucks, like the product,
Speaker 5: like the AI as bad as it's bad at its
Speaker 5: fucking job. Like with regards to like the self checkout
Speaker 5: thing that the AI like can't stop people from stealing stuff,
Speaker 5: and so the companies are like losing massive amounts of
Speaker 5: money on theft, and then in order to combat that,
Speaker 5: they're just like making claims that like everyone's shoplifting when
Speaker 5: it's just like no, like you just put a like
Speaker 5: inadequate program like as the thing in charge of like
Speaker 5: making sure people can't steal stuff or like that they
Speaker 5: don't want to steal stuff, and it's just not going
Speaker 5: to it's not gonna work.
Speaker 2: But they made it way too easy because when I
Speaker 2: was in college, we would for sure bring up like
Speaker 2: a full roast chicken as like some grapes. Man, we're good.
Speaker 2: Stop no, uh, if there's a personally, this is the
Speaker 2: possible way you could get like that used to be
Speaker 2: somebody's job to scan and bag your stuff. There's no
Speaker 2: possible way to get around. So that's I'm saying, though
Speaker 2: none of these things are thought out. They just see
Speaker 2: a way to potentially preserve money without looking at the
Speaker 2: long term costs.
Speaker 4: And then they still have to hire someone to monitor
Speaker 4: the self checkout areas. So it's well, how much money
Speaker 4: are you actually saving, mister grocery.
Speaker 1: Yeah, big grocery, which are now owned by just like
Speaker 1: two companies in all of America. But yeah, like so
Speaker 1: they've also been using it in crime, like predictive crime
Speaker 1: fighting technology. But of course, first of all, the data
Speaker 1: that it's being fed is from police data, so it's
Speaker 1: you know, using the it's not predicting crime. It's predicting
Speaker 1: like where police are spending their time is essentially which
Speaker 1: is in low income and you know, non white neighborhoods,
Speaker 1: And it's just complete bullshit. There's one great anecdote where
Speaker 1: Chicago's predictive policing software, created by the Illinois Institute of Technology,
Speaker 1: compiled a list of people most likely to be involved
Speaker 1: in a violent crime and they're, oh, no ah, AI baby,
Speaker 1: check out this because it was generated by AI, you
Speaker 1: can trust this. And then an investigation later found that
Speaker 1: the software is a list of future criminals included every
Speaker 1: single person arrested or fingerprinted in Chicago since twenty thirteen. Whoa,
Speaker 1: So it was just like copying off of another like
Speaker 1: data sells.
Speaker 2: Ay I can do is it can gather and redistribute
Speaker 2: information using keywords that the person using inputs, which means
Speaker 2: it's logically going to be flawed because it's not understanding
Speaker 2: the words. It's just re organizing them in a way
Speaker 2: that it thinks make sense to you. It's not a
Speaker 2: thinking machine. Yeah, the technology is not there yet and
Speaker 2: people are way too eager to jump into it and
Speaker 2: in a way that would almost assuredly collapse society. Which
Speaker 2: is why it's insane to me that we're still having
Speaker 2: to like explain this to people to be like they're like,
Speaker 2: did you see the article from was it the Hollywood
Speaker 2: Reporter that came out about the executives and how they're
Speaker 2: choosing to fight the unions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, by just waiting them out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, essentially, And the key part that's resonated with me
Speaker 2: was like, this is a necessary evil.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was the verbatim words from this quote story. So
Speaker 2: we're pretty sure this is a scare tactic to get
Speaker 2: sad to not strike and them saying, hey, we'll wade out.
Speaker 2: The writers will wait out the actors as well. But
Speaker 2: I think what's really happened is they fired up the
Speaker 2: base of unions to be like, excuse me, a necessary
Speaker 2: evil is not destroying the beautiful industry and community that
Speaker 2: people have tried to create here for literally over a century.
Speaker 2: It's nonsensical. I just I can't understand the end game
Speaker 2: other than I guess forty people will be a little
Speaker 2: bit wealthier.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all it is. Yeah, I don't think it's
Speaker 1: going to cause society to collapse. It'll just accelerate the
Speaker 1: thing that's already happening, which is just like grotesque inequality
Speaker 1: like gets worse and like they're able to hire fewer
Speaker 1: people to do jobs. And also the other thing that
Speaker 1: that seems to be happening is like the quality of
Speaker 1: everything is getting worse, and like that's going to keep happening,
Speaker 1: you know, like TV shows, movies or But.
Speaker 2: To my point, isn't that like if we can track
Speaker 2: revolutions based off the price of bread, right, Like, so
Speaker 2: when people can no longer afford bread, that's when they
Speaker 2: riot in the streets and take out leaders and get
Speaker 2: very serious about their actions because everybody's base staple for survival.
Speaker 2: Then we have a fairly large The entertainment community is huge.
Speaker 2: I know some people think this is like a very
Speaker 2: small or elite space, but it's ginormous, and most of
Speaker 2: the people working in it are like working class people.
Speaker 2: And so if you eliminate everyone who I mean, because essentially,
Speaker 2: what when AI gets good enough, when it's actually usable,
Speaker 2: it will eliminate everybody who is of average talent. Right.
Speaker 2: What you do is you write pretty cute Hallmark stories
Speaker 2: and you're pretty good at that, and they're successful enough
Speaker 2: to get commercials into air frequently. Think you can probably
Speaker 2: buy a house, and you can feed your kids and
Speaker 2: send them to college, and you can have a very
Speaker 2: comfortable life. If AI can do bad job, then you're
Speaker 2: wiping out hundreds of thousands of jobs, and that is
Speaker 2: really really bad news for like Los Angeles, the county.
Speaker 2: I just to me, I know, it's like a small
Speaker 2: first step, but to me, like the dominoes seem large
Speaker 2: and looming absolutely like probable, like if things are not
Speaker 2: stopped immediately. And I really think that that's the takeaway
Speaker 2: from the WGH CAN and I really do hope SAG
Speaker 2: joints because it's it's not just going to stop at
Speaker 2: the entertainment industry. It's going to continue to brawl out
Speaker 2: to it. Like we are one American workforce, yeah, and
Speaker 2: we're all about to be impacted by this ship. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think if people had a better sense
Speaker 1: also of how shitty AI is at its job. It
Speaker 1: would it would help, you know, help the cause of
Speaker 1: being like we don't want you to do a like
Speaker 1: take a program that is like better than you know
Speaker 1: what we could have gotten a year ago when if
Speaker 1: we were like Microsoft word write me a screenplay, Like yeah,
Speaker 1: that's not good. It's not gonna be good, but like
Speaker 1: it's still not good. And like, you know, all all
Speaker 1: of anything that you're applying AI to still has all
Speaker 1: the problems that your previous systems had because it's using
Speaker 1: those previous systems as input. So just the the fact
Speaker 1: that like news articles about these things fail to focus
Speaker 1: on like the main point of the study and instead
Speaker 1: are just like it's predicting the future. And then like
Speaker 1: that leads into our you know, our mission impossible films,
Speaker 1: our number, like our modern day constitution?
Speaker 3: What what's that?
Speaker 1: What's going to happen? But anyways, well, Caitlin, such a
Speaker 1: pleasure having you on the podcast.
Speaker 4: The pleasure is online. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Where can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff?
Speaker 4: You can follow me on the social media platforms of
Speaker 4: lost track? What's the one that's the Instagram? One threads yeah,
Speaker 4: I guess I'm on that. Have I posted anything? No,
Speaker 4: but you can follow me there if you want and
Speaker 4: the other places. Also listen to my podcast, the Bechdel
Speaker 4: Cast that I co host with Jamie loftis Speaking of AI.
Speaker 4: The episode we released today is on the Disney Channel
Speaker 4: original movie Classic mart House. So you're welcome everybody.
Speaker 2: Yes, what a win for us. I can't wait you listen.
Speaker 4: And if you live in or near La, I've got
Speaker 4: some stand up comedy shows coming hit. I'll if you
Speaker 4: go to my website Kaitlin Durante dot com, the information
Speaker 4: will be there. But I have one July twenty eighth.
Speaker 4: It is at eleven pm, but that shouldn't stop you
Speaker 4: from going. That's a Friday night. And then I have
Speaker 4: That's Comedy Night in America.
Speaker 3: And so I've.
Speaker 4: Got paint nights, I've got trivia nights, and I've got
Speaker 4: comedy Night. I have another comedy night on August second.
Speaker 4: That one is a more reasonable hour of eight o'clock
Speaker 4: at night.
Speaker 1: There you go, so check that. We'll go check all
Speaker 1: of those places. Is there a work of media that
Speaker 1: you've been enjoying?
Speaker 4: Yes? These days I use plug a movie. This one
Speaker 4: came out about a month ago, but it's still in
Speaker 4: a lot of theaters, I think, so I would recommend
Speaker 4: people watch The Blackening. I thought it was super guys
Speaker 4: and had a blast.
Speaker 1: Nice Joelle, thank you so much for guest hosting on
Speaker 1: the show. Where can people find you and follow you?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, so guys go to dinner dashfilm dot com.
Speaker 2: It's dash like a hyphen. It's as simple. If you
Speaker 2: need help finding it, it's on every app I'm on,
Speaker 2: which is all of them. Just go to the link
Speaker 2: in my bio and it'll pop up. Yeah, what's my handle?
Speaker 2: It's Joel. Want to find me all over the internet?
Speaker 2: Actual money gets j O E l O E m
Speaker 2: O N I Q you guys promoting things. It's a challenge.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get better at it. A piece of media
Speaker 2: I have been enjoying. It is a total cop out
Speaker 2: because everyone already knows it shocks no one but have y'allo.
Speaker 2: The Bear it's great. I honestly, when people are like
Speaker 2: I haven't gotten into it yet, I'm like, I know,
Speaker 2: there's a mass number of things you could be watching.
Speaker 2: I know it's called The Bear, and it looks like
Speaker 2: it might be dramatic and depressing. I promise you it's not.
Speaker 2: It's so fiery and entertaining and funny, and the food
Speaker 2: looks so good and it makes your heart feel good
Speaker 2: and sometimes makes you a little bit sad, but it's
Speaker 2: totally worth it because the journey is so well written
Speaker 2: and performed. I congrats to Io with every who's so
Speaker 2: many nominations this year. Watching her career, it's so inspirational.
Speaker 2: Watch the Bear folks. Give it all the love it deserves.
Speaker 2: It's it's good for your soul. It's really good. What
Speaker 2: about you, jack.
Speaker 1: I'm taking that one very slowly. I'm still in the
Speaker 1: first season, but every time I watched it, I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: I really like that.
Speaker 2: Sure, there's no problem going slow. It's it will be
Speaker 2: there for you and it will remain great.
Speaker 1: My wife, like when I was like out of town
Speaker 1: one time, like left me behind on like episode five,
Speaker 1: like she just like binge the rest of.
Speaker 4: It, and so.
Speaker 1: Like I'm just squeezing it in and I can't do
Speaker 1: it when we're doing our TV watch and so.
Speaker 2: Watch it, Jackie, be like we could have watched this
Speaker 2: together this time.
Speaker 4: Did you intentionally say my wife like borat or was
Speaker 4: that unintentional?
Speaker 1: I didn't say, just a little bit, just.
Speaker 2: You're like my.
Speaker 1: Wife, my wife. That's just how I said, my way.
Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore, O'Brien.
Speaker 1: You can find me on threads at Jack Underscore. Oh underscore, Brian,
Speaker 1: I'm on threads and so many underscores in the night.
Speaker 1: And a couple of tweets. I've been enjoying Sydney Battle
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Speaker 3: It back to the top.
Speaker 1: I'm too scared to scroll down there, which yeah, uh.
Speaker 1: And then PJ Haven's tweeted is water and season right
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Speaker 1: post our episodes and our footnotes put no link off
Speaker 1: to the information that we talked about in today's episode,
Speaker 1: as well as a song that we think you might enjoy.
Speaker 1: Miles out today, so we don't have his song Recks.
Speaker 1: He's on the road back tomorrow. But we have the
Speaker 1: special tree of getting a song recommendation from super producer Justin.
Speaker 1: Super producer Justin. Is there a song that you think
Speaker 1: people might enjoy?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do.
Speaker 6: Considering we have two film people in the building today
Speaker 6: with us, I wanted to suggest a song that has
Speaker 6: like a very strong visual component when it comes to
Speaker 6: the music video, so I'll be linking off to that
Speaker 6: in the footnotes. This is a song called Smoke Break
Speaker 6: Dance by Mick Jenkins featuring Jid or Ji D. This
Speaker 6: track is super super good. It's very jazzy like boombab
Speaker 6: type of hip hop with you know, obviously incredible lyricism
Speaker 6: from Mick. But the video is has so many powerful visuals.
Speaker 6: It's like a feast for the eyes. Like every couple
Speaker 6: of seconds there's something beautiful happening with the art and
Speaker 6: playing off the lyrics. It's a really cool interplay of
Speaker 6: words and visuals. So you can go ahead and check
Speaker 6: this song out in the footnotes, that's Mick Jenkins Smoke
Speaker 6: Break Dance featuring Jid.
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