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Speaker 1: left tackle Tony Baselli's induction in the National Football League

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fames. What makes it even more special for

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Speaker 1: For them to care that much means a tongue to me.

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Speaker 1: Join Jaguars dot Com senior writer John Hosier as he

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. I know it's an important topic.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to that later. But Fred, first of all,

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Speaker 1: thank you enough for doing this. Welcome, Hey, I appreciate you. Man.

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Speaker 1: You know I'll feel about Jaguar na nation. Man. Uh.

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Speaker 1: It's always good to get back and do these interviews.

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Speaker 1: That know. Uh. Sometimes it seems that I'm removed from

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Speaker 1: always in forever a Jaguar, So uh, I appreciate this opportunity. Fred,

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Speaker 1: I'm fascinated. Uh. I'm before this conversation because I was

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Speaker 1: be pretty special when you hear that news, right, Oh,

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