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Speaker 1: Welcome to everybody to a Monday edition of Texans All

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Speaker 1: Access on Draft Week. Yes, finally we are here. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I know what you're gonna say. Thursday night, no picks,

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Speaker 1: so what enjoy the draft or eight picks? As of now,

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Speaker 1: the Texans are gonna make Nick Sarrio on his first

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Speaker 1: draft as general management for the Texans. Looking forward to that,

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Speaker 1: and we've got plenty for you tonight. Wayne Smith, who

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Speaker 1: was once a draft pick I believe in the Miami Dolphins.

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Speaker 1: We'll join dpcity and talk about a number of things,

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Speaker 1: talk about draft prep back when he was doing it,

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Speaker 1: the twenty eleven offensive line, James campany offensive line coach

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Speaker 1: will be some great stuff and our deep slant interview

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Speaker 1: of the week with Wade Smith. Can't wait to hear that.

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Speaker 1: With dep We will also go around the league, but

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Speaker 1: we're gonna start the show off with the Man, the myth,

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Speaker 1: the Voice of the Texans, Mark Vanimir Mark, good evening,

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Speaker 1: are you my friend? I'm doing great. You know. I'm

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Speaker 1: at the Houston Sports Awards tonight at Carlton Woods and

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be great here. As we all know, Bob

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Speaker 1: McNair is already in the Hall of Fame, the Houston

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Speaker 1: Sports Hall of Fame, and Andre Johnson goes in tonight

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Speaker 1: among others, So this is a great event for that.

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Speaker 1: And also I played in the Brothers and Arms golf

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Speaker 1: tournament up here today, Andre where, Vince Young and Warren

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Speaker 1: Moon host that, and it was really cool, just great

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Speaker 1: to see everybody out here. So everybody's asking about who

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Speaker 1: are they gonna get? You know, you always get that question,

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Speaker 1: but they have a first round pick, who are they

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Speaker 1: gonna get? Well, they don't have a first round pick,

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Speaker 1: you know, they've got a third round pick, and they're

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Speaker 1: still asking me. I'm saying, well, sixty seven. It's a

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Speaker 1: little hard to predict, although, as you often do, I

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Speaker 1: have done my best to predict the picks. Yes you have, man,

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Speaker 1: My invitations must have gotten lost in the mail on

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Speaker 1: those events. But either way, I mean, I got radio

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Speaker 1: to do tonight. So what are you gonna do? Okay, Van,

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Speaker 1: your mock two point zero hit the interwebs somewhere between

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Speaker 1: this morning and last night. I happen to stumble upon

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Speaker 1: it and I was like, I'm gonna wait, and I

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Speaker 1: was like, no, I should look. And so I have

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Speaker 1: already looked at your picks, and I'm gonna give you

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to defend every single one of them before

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Speaker 1: I have anything to say about it. So vandermk two

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Speaker 1: point zero, I don't remember vandermock one point I think,

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Speaker 1: I mean I do, but I don't, So we'll just

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Speaker 1: move up. If he does, we'll move on to two

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Speaker 1: point zero. Round three, Number sixty seven. Now, I'm assuming

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Speaker 1: you don't have the overall numbers here at number sixty seven,

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Speaker 1: so I'm assuming you're thinking that Texas will stay right

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Speaker 1: here and take from the University of Miami. Quincy Rochet. Now,

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Speaker 1: one thing, he is a Hurricane kinda. He finished with

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Speaker 1: the Hurricanes, but he's mainly a Temple out. Does that

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Speaker 1: change your perception of Quincy Roche in round three? No,

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Speaker 1: it does it because Temple became a much better program.

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Speaker 1: I think Al Golden's the want to really turn them around,

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Speaker 1: of course, and one hundred years ago, but I think

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Speaker 1: that when you look at his history here, Johnny, he

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Speaker 1: was really good getting to the quarterback of Temple. Not

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Speaker 1: quite as good at Miami, but he's still had fourteen

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Speaker 1: and a half TFLs to the Hurricanes and friends of

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Speaker 1: mine there describe him as a professional pass rusher, so

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Speaker 1: he's not quite a four three end, but he's a

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Speaker 1: situational guy. Johnny, it's the third round already. This is

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Speaker 1: where we start. You have to get after the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a pretty solid pick. I've seen him

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Speaker 1: in mocks. Not that this means anything higher and lower,

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Speaker 1: so we'll see. But if you really liked him, not

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Speaker 1: a bad place to take it, no doubt. And I

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Speaker 1: would be very happy with Quincy Roche in round three,

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Speaker 1: number sixty seven. I have him just a shade outside

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Speaker 1: the Harris one hundred. I'm trying to pull up right now.

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Speaker 1: I don't exactly remember where I have him. There will

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Speaker 1: be one knock on Quincy Roche. I mean you mentioned one.

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Speaker 1: He is he's not the he's not he's not the

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Speaker 1: what I've realized that my Harris one hundred is I've

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Speaker 1: you is he is very, very skilled when it comes

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Speaker 1: that they have their Russo and and Jalen Phillips. But

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Speaker 1: as a pass rusher, that's what this guy is. And

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Speaker 1: so I think round three, nice job. Number Round four

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Speaker 1: the man who threw the cleat heard round the world.

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Speaker 1: Florida cornerback Marco Wilson Vandermack two point o originator Explain

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Speaker 1: why you go Wilson here in round four? Round Johnny, Look,

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Speaker 1: you're a Hurricane. Hold on, you're a hurricane kicking a

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Speaker 1: game that stings, that still stings. They're gonna get very

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Speaker 1: mad at me for this. They hate the Gators more

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Speaker 1: than anybody. We've been over this. The Hurricanes hate the

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Speaker 1: I didn't really say that, but I felt like saying that.

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Speaker 1: And so he's there. And I saw Travis Johnson today,

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Speaker 1: of course, because Travis Johnson's our guy, right, But I

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Speaker 1: really think that when you look at the way he

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Speaker 1: a very good NFL corner He's gonna slip for various reasons,

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Speaker 1: but I believe that he's gonna be able to play

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Speaker 1: and be good and make a team happy. It's round four. See,

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Speaker 1: that's the thing. I'm not taking all these guys in

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Speaker 1: and make the best selection possible. Are your thoughts on him, Johnny,

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Speaker 1: He was a guy that I've had my eye for

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Speaker 1: a little while. First of all, you're actually okay in

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Speaker 1: the hurricane world because his dad is Earl Wilson, who

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Speaker 1: clean up. However, I love this picking round four. I

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Speaker 1: love it. I've got him at number nineteen Harris one hundred.

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Speaker 1: He's in version two. When I was watching the SEC

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Speaker 1: usually talking about Marco Wilson. That seems wrong. It's not

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Speaker 1: even worry about that, Marco, So you can play. I

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Speaker 1: get him at pick number one on nine. I am

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Speaker 1: all about it. Okay, So you picked the hurricane, you

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Speaker 1: pick a long horn. Right, Well, it's really round five, right,

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Speaker 1: it's our third round, but it's round five. It's Kaden Stern,

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Speaker 1: safety from Texas. And look, I'm not doing this for clicks,

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Speaker 1: all I think, so, No, I'm not doing this for clicks.

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Speaker 1: But he's got size, speed, he can tackle. Okay, his

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Speaker 1: freshman year was unbelievable. You know that, you know, got

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Speaker 1: this draft. It derailed everybody. It makes you re examine

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Speaker 1: your life, your priorities, your paradigms change. Certain guys handled

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Speaker 1: others this last season. Right, I think he's ready, and

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Speaker 1: I think he's there a round five. I'm taking him.

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Speaker 1: I mean again, size, speed, tackling ability, like you know,

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Speaker 1: you read these things like, well, with the deep ball occasionally,

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Speaker 1: Look every safety with the deep ball occasion. Otherwise there

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Speaker 1: would be no football. Okay, you know, if every safety

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Speaker 1: let's not have a passing game. This is just part

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Speaker 1: of the developmental process, you know. I'm serious, Like, you

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Speaker 1: take chances on potential. And who is gonna put in

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Speaker 1: the work, Johnny. We talk about this with first rounders.

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Speaker 1: Who's gonna put in their work to get better? And

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Speaker 1: called one of it was not. It was the final

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Speaker 1: Remember well that as a freshman at Texas, I'm watching thinking, wow,

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Speaker 1: got NFL ability, There's no question in that. So from

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Speaker 1: But at round five I'm okay with Kaye Stearns because

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Speaker 1: I think he's a guy as long as he comes

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Speaker 1: gets back to that level that he was when he

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Speaker 1: I think Kayden Stearns can't play in this league, but

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Speaker 1: he's got to get to that point. All right, Let's

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Speaker 1: get to your next picking, round five, because now I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna tell everybody what a great drafter you are because

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Speaker 1: you picked the Tennessee volunteer wide receiver in round five

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Speaker 1: by the name of Josh Palmer. Yeah, Josh Palmer. All right,

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Speaker 1: a Kardashian marriage. All right, it's Tennessee. It's always tough

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Speaker 1: I know he runs a four to five, but that's

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Speaker 1: not bad. You know, everybody wants a four to four below.

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Speaker 1: But this is where you are obligated by federal laws

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Speaker 1: to remind everybody that Jerry Rice at a klon Bolden

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Speaker 1: ran a four to seven. Right. That is his dad,

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426
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Speaker 1: Is this more of Andy Reid type of deal or

427
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Speaker 1: is it? You know, you got Pep Hamilton as the

428
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 1: quarterbacks coach that came from UM the Chargers and he's

429
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Speaker 1: with Anthony Lynn as you're doing those type of things.

430
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Speaker 1: Been in Buffalo before, Like there's there's a lot of

431
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 1: excuse me not Buffalo before that was that was David Cully,

432
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Speaker 1: But he's he's been in various spots before where he

433
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Speaker 1: didn't you to lies what Tim Kelly, who is the

434
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, has done here for the past few years

435
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 1: with Bill O'Brien. So it'll be ears to see how

436
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 1: everything comes together and what kind of line of thinking

437
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 1: they utilize going forward. But I think James Camp and

438
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 1: being an offensive line coach, that's kind of a solidifying

439
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 1: force up front and so guys can get all on

440
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 1: the same page. And that's the biggest thing with offensive line.

441
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: Can we get everybody on the same page doing the

442
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: same things, understanding what with the expectations are of one another.

443
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,679
Speaker 1: And if you can do that, then you can have

444
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 1: a great opportunity to have success. Yeah, and it's pretty cool.

445
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 1: That Camping and Pep worked together with the Chargers last year,

446
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 1: so a little bit of continuity for the two of

447
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 1: them having had work together in the past. We talked

448
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 1: about Nick can Cerrio. He made over seventy moves this offseason,

449
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 1: brought in a lot of players, and I thought it

450
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 1: was really interesting in his press conference when he was

451
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 1: asked about position groups and positions of need that just

452
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 1: because you've got all these offensive linemen, are so many

453
00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,880
Speaker 1: defensive backs on the roster doesn't necessarily include the Texans

454
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Speaker 1: from drafting at that position in the draft. So so

455
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on that. You know, with all

456
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 1: the position groups on the roster and creating that competition,

457
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 1: does it really change who you think the Texans might

458
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: be looking for in this year's draft. I think a

459
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 1: lot of people are saying defense because Levey Smith brings

460
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: in a new scheme. But what about your thoughts. I

461
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 1: want to know, what do you think the Texans are

462
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Speaker 1: going to do in this year's draft? Well, I look

463
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 1: at it like this, it's a situation now that there's

464
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Speaker 1: so many new faces and there's so many guys that

465
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 1: are playing under short term contracts that have just been

466
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 1: brought into the building, and um, I don't. I don't

467
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Speaker 1: think that they're going to specialize or or focus on

468
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Speaker 1: one particular thing. I think they're going to try to

469
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Speaker 1: find as much value as they can in the draft

470
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Speaker 1: as possible. So if they have got they're going to

471
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Speaker 1: rate everybody, and once the draft board gets put up

472
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 1: there and they're gonna see, you know, there's gonna be

473
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Speaker 1: certain guys that are gonna fall in the draft. Happens

474
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Speaker 1: every year. I don't think that they're beholding to any

475
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Speaker 1: particular people or position groups, and so I think they're

476
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Speaker 1: gonna try to find value. They're gonna try to find

477
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Speaker 1: a guy that a guy like Justin Reid that you

478
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Speaker 1: thought would have been a late first round pick or

479
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Speaker 1: an early second round pick that you end up drafting

480
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: the third round. That's great value. So I feel like

481
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: they're going to try to find guys like that, and

482
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Speaker 1: whatever position group that is, I think it's going to

483
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Speaker 1: be determined by the guy that end up the guys

484
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Speaker 1: that end up dropping in the draft. If it's a quarterback,

485
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: if it's a wide receiver, it's a tight end, whatever

486
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 1: it may be. I don't see a position group on

487
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: the team that I say, you know what, that position

488
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 1: group is completely solidified. You know you don't you don't

489
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Speaker 1: want to add any pieces there. You want to try

490
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Speaker 1: to add value wherever you can. So I think that

491
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Speaker 1: that's what the line of think is gonna be with

492
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Speaker 1: the organization, and we'll see that what shakes out from

493
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: that and how much moving and shaking goes on in

494
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Speaker 1: the draft. I'll be interested to see that because what

495
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: I've seen from Nick Cassario and what's in his time

496
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: with the Patriots, those guys do a lot of moving

497
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: in the draft, moving down, moving up to get particular

498
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: guys that they like, and so I would expect that

499
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: you would see some of the same things here, especially

500
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 1: since the Texans first bick is not into the third round. Yeah,

501
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 1: so no clear cut predictions from Wade Smith on any

502
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: positions in particular. That right, That's exactly right, because I'm

503
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: not gonna I look at the roster. I don't say

504
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: to myself, you know what, they gotta get a dB,

505
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 1: you know what, they gotta get a wide receiver, you

506
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: know what, they gotta get this or that. Like they've

507
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 1: brought in so many veteran guys that all these different

508
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: spots that are under reasonable contracts that the difference between

509
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: what you're paying a rookie in that spot and paying

510
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 1: the veteran guy is functionally it's not that big of

511
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: a deal. And so I could see them sticking with

512
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: a lot of the guys that they brought in that

513
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: they're going to be seeing over the next few you

514
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: know that they've already been starting with the offseason program

515
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 1: and and going that right, I just think value, value

516
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 1: is the most important thing in this draft, and I

517
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: think that's kind of the line of thinking of Niccessario anyway,

518
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,479
Speaker 1: just from everything that I've heard and seeing about him,

519
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: is that he's going to try to find find value

520
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: everywhere he can't anywhere he can. And so what position

521
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: group that would be, it's whoever drops, And maybe my

522
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: prediction would be what position group that tends to have

523
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: guys drop. I'll say dbs just like just to read

524
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: like DBS or for some you know, some reason. Another

525
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 1: you'll find a dB that are dropping, dropping a draft

526
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: a guy like Tim Matthew just to read guys that

527
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: should have been drafted much higher and they ended up

528
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: falling well, because they're gonna pick quarterbacks get picked early

529
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 1: all the time. You know, offensive linemen get picked early

530
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: because once they run out, you know, the chances of

531
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 1: you getting a really good one. I think drops tremendously,

532
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: So I'll go dB just because those guys tend to

533
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 1: drop more than other and maybe are running back. Running

534
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: backs tend to drop too. Yeah. John Harris via John Harris,

535
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: he does says to say that there are a lot

536
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: of running backs in this draft, a lot of depth

537
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 1: of that position. Let's talk about the draft process because

538
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: this one has been so unique. Even last year with

539
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 1: the pandemic, the players still were able to go through

540
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: a centralized NFL combine. That's something that didn't happen this year,

541
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 1: so it plays so much more importance on the Pro days.

542
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: And then only three representatives from each team were allowed

543
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 1: to go to the Pro days. You couldn't do one

544
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: on ones with each player. You had to do them

545
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: be a zoom. What are your thoughts on that? You know?

546
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: Is it is it advantage for players? Is it a

547
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 1: disadvantage that they get to do everything at the Pro Day?

548
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: How does how do you think that will change player

549
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: evaluations this year and how players approach the draft process.

550
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: I think it just shows it gives guys opportunities to

551
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: show how easily and how quickly they can adapt to

552
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: unforeseen situations, things that you can't control. That's part of

553
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: being NFL players. Are you able to adapt and adjust

554
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: to things that you can't control. And so guys that

555
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: are able to do that, well, I think that will

556
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: pay off for them when you're sliding guys on the

557
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: draft or determining, Okay, how did this guy react to

558
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: this situation? Because if you're able to handle adversity, if

559
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: you're if you're able to adjust on the fly, the

560
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: chances are you know you're gonna be able to translate

561
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: that on the field. And that's the type of guys

562
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: that NFL teams need. You need guys that are gonna

563
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: be able to be flexible and guys that are gonna

564
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: be able to adjust on the fly. And so there's

565
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: gonna be players out there that because of this change,

566
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: they're going to they're going to take advantage of it,

567
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: and they're gonna get drafted higher than they would have

568
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: if things were standard the way they used to be.

569
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: It's gonna be other guys that because of the the

570
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: nuances and the new the changes that they're not used

571
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: to and getting out of the routine, they may drop

572
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: a little bit on the board. At the same time,

573
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: once you get into the league, once you get your opportunities,

574
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: that's when you're going to determine what your fate is

575
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: going to be as an NFL player. I mean, you

576
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: can start slow. I mean the thing about it is

577
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: is the higher you drafted, the kind of the more opportunities,

578
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: the more marginal per error that you have to stick

579
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: in this league. And the lower you get drafted, or

580
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: if you go in drafted in your margin for error

581
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: and your opportunities to make mistakes kind of it shrinks

582
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: a little bit. But you know, at the end of

583
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: the day, the guys that take advantage of the opportunities

584
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: that are put in front of them, and maybe they're

585
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: they're doing their pro pro pro day at their own school. Hey,

586
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: you're in this comfortable situation. You're you're running on some

587
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: turf that you've been running on for the past three,

588
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: four or five years in your career. You can take

589
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: advantage of that deal. Some guys get into a pressure

590
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: pack situation like the combine, and I personally I didn't

591
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: think the combine was a pressure pack situation, but you know,

592
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: some guys kind of feel that pressure, and so when

593
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: that pressure comes, how do you react to it? How

594
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: do you respond to it? That's why the combine is

595
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: something that allows the coaches really enjoyed and scouts enjoyed,

596
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: because you want to see how guys compete against one another.

597
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: When you know, you got a guy from from cal

598
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: University and then there's another guy from from BYU, and

599
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: there's another guy from Appalachian State or from the University

600
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: of Memphis or whatever it may be. You got these

601
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: guys from all over the country coming to one spot

602
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: and competing, um in various drills, competing in the in

603
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: the I'm a bench press and the forty and the

604
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: interviews and all the things that goes along with the combine. UM.

605
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: You know, there's there's guys that thrive in those situations.

606
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: There's guys that don't. And that's a great thing about

607
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: the NFL. Man you can figure out pretty quickly if

608
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: you're going to be if you're built for this, and

609
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: if you're not in You know, the ones that that

610
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: that can't cut it, they end up falling to the wayside,

611
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: and the ones that that do have really long careers.

612
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: UM Barn injury, and so I'm excited to see how

613
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: these guys deal with the Fortunately for these these these

614
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,719
Speaker 1: this set of rookies, Um, they've they've kind of had

615
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: a head start on it and the ones last year

616
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: because the guys last year there was just it just

617
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: dropped on everybody out of the blue, you know, Marches

618
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: when everything kind of shut down, and then a month

619
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: later you got the draft coming and so I'm sure

620
00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: you know a lot of guys had to adjust that

621
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: on the fly. But I think the coaches are going

622
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: to be better prepared. I think the scouts are going

623
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: to be better prepared because they had the experience from

624
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: what happened last year, and so they'll figure out ways

625
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: to get the best out of the guys in and

626
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: be able to slide them where they need to be slided,

627
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: and then pick the guys that are available to them

628
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: on the draft. Yeah, it's a good point because last

629
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: year we had seen some of the pro days take

630
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: place and then half of them got canceled and it

631
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: just was every you know, it was just right in

632
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: the middle for some players like who were waiting to

633
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: do stuff on their pro day and things just didn't

634
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: get scheduled away that they were able to this year

635
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: because we had a heads up about COVID and how

636
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: to go about doing these pro days. I want to

637
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: ask you, because you're a third round draft pick in

638
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: two thousand and three, if you were going through this

639
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: draft process this year, do you think you would have

640
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: gone higher or lower? And well, that's a great question.

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Speaker 1: I probably would have went lower because I think so. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The reason why I say that is because when I

643
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: went to the Combine, which they didn't have this year.

644
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: I went to the Combine and I did an excellent job.

645
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Speaker 1: Like I got around. I went to University of Memphis,

646
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: only played offensive line for two years. And so you

647
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: know the film that scouts have on you, there might

648
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: be a handful of games that they say, all right,

649
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: this is good tape to watch because he's playing against

650
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: NFL caliber players. But when I went to the Combine,

651
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: you know, I'm around you know Jonathan's Stinchcomb from Georgia,

652
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: or I'm around you know Steinback and Jordan Gross and

653
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: all these guys from all over the country that went

654
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: to these bigger schools, and they said, well, this dude,

655
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: he's just as athletic as there's some of these guys,

656
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: if not more. His upside is tremendous. I like what

657
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: I see out of him my life as interviews are going,

658
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: and how he's reacting amongst all these guys that he

659
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,239
Speaker 1: necessarily wouldn't would see or be with on a day

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00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: to day basis at his university. So I think that

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00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: might have hurt me. I think it. I think it

662
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: hurt guys last year that came from smaller schools or

663
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: didn't have opportunity to do things like the Senior I

664
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: think the Senior Bowl took place last year, but just

665
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: the various opportunities to get together with guys that you're

666
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: not knowingly around, I think that probably probably would have

667
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Speaker 1: ended up hurting me. But at the end of the day,

668
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Speaker 1: I don't care if I would have got drafted in

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Speaker 1: the first round or if I got drafted in the

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Speaker 1: seventh round or went undrafted at all. When I showed

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Speaker 1: up a training camp, how did that work? How would

672
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: I work? Those are the things are going to be

673
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: determined factor if you last in this league, because it's

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Speaker 1: one thing to get drafted, it's one thing to get

675
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: an opportunity. That's that's that's great, that's awesome, But can

676
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: you can you be a lasting presence in this league?

677
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 1: Can you excel in this league? Those things are done by,

678
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: you know, the hard work and dedication that you put

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00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: in on a day to day basis, learning how to

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Speaker 1: be a pro, figuring out how to navigate being I'm

681
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: a professional athlete and so UM, at the end of that,

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00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: maybe I would have started a little bit lower down

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00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: the line, but at the end of the day, I

684
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: think I still would have had a similar career because

685
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 1: those those things that aren't determined by your draft status

686
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 1: are the things that carry you throughout your career. Yeah,

687
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 1: that's it's an interesting note to make. Once you're drafted

688
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: by a team, your your work ethic is your work ethic.

689
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: You're only going to work as hard as you're gonna work,

690
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: and it doesn't really even matter where you're drafted. But

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00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: looking back on your draft experience, UM, now that you

692
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: know what you know and you've played in the league

693
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 1: all these years and now you've been out of it,

694
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: you've probably had some time to reflect. Is is there

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Speaker 1: anything that you would do differently in preparing for the

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00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: draft that you that you wish that you had done

697
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: back then? Preparing for the draft, I'd say, I'd say, no,

698
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: not prepared. My preparation for the draft I thought went

699
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Speaker 1: really well. I went from a guy that was supposed

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Speaker 1: to be undrafted or seventh round guy to getting drafted

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Speaker 1: in the third round and in an organization trading picks

702
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: to get me. Um. I think if I could go

703
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: back and tell myself anything around that draft time, is that, UM,

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00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: I think I got my attitude as a as an

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00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: NFL player, like, um, you know, I really can't say

706
00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: the term I want to say, because you know this,

707
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: you know there's some suggars, but I kind of I can't.

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00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: I kind of got my um my edge later in

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00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: my career, probably like three four years into the career,

710
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: where I really started playing the game with an edge

711
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 1: and playing the game with kind of a mentality of um,

712
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: you know, whatever it takes to get it done, I'm

713
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: gonna get it done. And how how protective you are

714
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: of the guys around you and the guys next to you,

715
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 1: And maybe I needed to taste a little bit of

716
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,919
Speaker 1: adversity in order to to to get to that point.

717
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: And there's one thing of saying, you know, hey, I'm

718
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: gonna finish blocks there's another thing saying I'm gonna I'm

719
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: gonna make that grown man move where he doesn't want

720
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: to move and he can't do anything about it. Like

721
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Speaker 1: I would have I would have said, be meaner sooner.

722
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? If I came into the league.

723
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: I came into the league kind of wide eyed, just

724
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: trying to learn and just do what I was coached

725
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,919
Speaker 1: to do. And there's there's there's something to be said

726
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: for that that that will sustain you. But then when

727
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: you get to that stage of all right, I know

728
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: what I'm supposed to do, Now, how am I going

729
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: to do it? How what what finishing emphasis am I

730
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: going to do? And the things that when I get

731
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: my opportunities on the field. And so I'd probably go

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00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 1: back and tell myself that. But as far as draft preparation,

733
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Speaker 1: I thought I did well. Man. I had um Dean

734
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: lots rest in peace. He was my trainer back in

735
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: Memphis that got me prepared for the draft. Him and

736
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: Harry Shoot and those two guys. They did a tremendous

737
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: job and got prepared prepared. And so I went into

738
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 1: training camp in great shape. Um. I went into training camp.

739
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: UM My technique was pretty dang good for a rookie,

740
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 1: and so I ended up starting every game my rookie

741
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: year in the NFL. So I think the draft prep

742
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: went really well. Man. I can't get enough of Wade

743
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: Smith talking with DPC. But if you want more, go

744
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: to our podcast page us to Texas dot com. Go

745
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: check out the podcast Deep Slant in the Lot as

746
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: well and also Vanderbuer's view if you want to hear

747
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: the full Deep Slant podcast DBC with Wade Smith. All right,

748
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: we get back, we'll go round the NFL. Kyle Shanahan

749
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: had a little weird way of saying what they might

750
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: do on Thursday at number three. It's a little strange,

751
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: but we'll get to that next. Right here in Texas,

752
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Speaker 1: aoxis pre in Texas, Aloxis Pire in Texas. Aloxis Welcome

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Speaker 1: back Everybody's Monday issue of Texas All Access from the

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Speaker 1: Honday Texans Radio Studio, the mobile version. I am your host,

755
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: John Airis on Draft week and of course, as we

756
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: go around the NFL, the draft truly starts at number

757
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: three unless there is a massive breaking ball, curveball at

758
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 1: pick number two with the Jets, which you don't see

759
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: it feels like Jags Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson number two,

760
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: the Jets FATA complee. Let's get to number three and

761
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: see what happens. Well. The forty nine ers held a

762
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Speaker 1: press conference today that was a few hours after Ian

763
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: Rappaport NFL Network said that the forty niners were internally

764
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:11,919
Speaker 1: debating Trey Lance versus Mac Jones at number three, which

765
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: obviously they're going to take a quarterback, you know, and

766
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,760
Speaker 1: move all the way up and not take a quarterback.

767
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 1: And then again it's Kyle Shanahan. John Lynch said later,

768
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: I will defer to what Kyle Shanahan wants to do.

769
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: That is a head coach driven system. Even with the

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00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: GM forty owners, like a number of places, have a

771
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: head coach driven system. Shanahan will make the final call, apparently, so.

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00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan was asked about Jimmy Garoppolo and someone asked

773
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Speaker 1: from the San Francisco media, can you guarantee that Jimmy

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Speaker 1: Garoppolo will be on the roster Sunday? And Kyle Shanahan said,

775
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: and I quote, I can't guarantee that anybody in the

776
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: world will be alive Sunday. I what he just went,

777
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: didn't see the hands are coming at all. Didn't see

778
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: it coming at all. But Shannon went a little bit

779
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 1: further into Garoppol a little bit later in his press conference,

780
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: and he said, look, it's the injuries. The injuries have

781
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: been an issue. We just don't know how much we

782
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: can rely on Jimmy. Essentially, I'm paraphrasing when he said

783
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,399
Speaker 1: that they liked Jimmy, but they just can't get there

784
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: because he hasn't been able to stay healthy. He got

785
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: there in twenty seventeen. He got there in twenty seventeen,

786
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: he played the last six or seven games, got the

787
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 1: forty nine fan base in a tizzy because he was

788
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: so good down the stretch. First or second game of

789
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: eighteen tears, his ACL nineteen comes back, gets him to

790
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl last year. Same thing. Injuries a problem

791
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 1: and therefore not able to grow. I mean, if you

792
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: get there as he did twenty seventeen, and with Kyle

793
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Speaker 1: they go, you know what, six, No, six and one

794
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: with him down the stretch, you're like, Okay, build on that,

795
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: and build on it again, and build on it again. Okay, Well,

796
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers, first of all, aren't picking twelve

797
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: where they can move up and go to three put

798
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: down in the twenties after consecutive playoff runs. But they

799
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: just haven't gotten there with Jimmy, as Kyle Shanahan said,

800
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: because of the injuries. Now, hopefully we'll all be here

801
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: on Sunday. Hopefully we'll all be aren't Sunday. But Kyle

802
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: shanhon with kind of a dark little moments during his

803
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: press conference today, and I don't know that it calmed

804
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: the waters at all for anybody. I think forty nine

805
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: Ers fans are fearful of Mac Jones. And you know,

806
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: I've I have Mac at number thirty one and my

807
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: Harris one hundred, have every other quarterback one, five, seven,

808
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: and ten. I just think there's a there's a big

809
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: delta between them and Mac. But I totally completely understand

810
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: why a team would want Mac Jones as a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: If you said to me, look, the Texans are gonna

812
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: trade into the I don't know teens and they're gonna

813
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: draft Mac Jones, I'd be like, WHOA, all right, Okay,

814
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Speaker 1: First of all, I don't want to know what the

815
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: draft deal was, but I'd be like, okay, yeah, I

816
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: think I can get there on Mac Jones, I just

817
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: have the thought that if I'm gonna make the pick,

818
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: I want the guy with the higher ceiling, and you

819
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: move up for the guy for the higher ceiling. So

820
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Speaker 1: we'll see. All of this could potentially mean that Justin

821
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: Fields maybe drops, and if he drops into the Patriots hands,

822
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: then shame on all of you in the NFL. Do

823
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: not let that happen. There's also, of course, a rumor

824
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,280
Speaker 1: about Jordan Love, who's drafted last year of the Packers,

825
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: going to the Patriots. But it'll all fare itself out

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Speaker 1: over the next seventy two hours and the draft is

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Speaker 1: on Thursday. Cannot wait. We will see you guys tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to Big, Thanks to Mark, to Deep,

829
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Speaker 1: to Wade, to all of you guys, Joanna back in studio.

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Speaker 1: You're the best. We'll see tomorrow. Body, as always, go Taxans.