WEBVTT - Hell and Gone Murder Line: Dardeen Family Murders

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<v Speaker 1>School of Humans. Helen Got Murder Line actively investigates cold

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<v Speaker 2>On November eighteenth, nineteen eighty seven, twenty nine year old

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<v Speaker 2>Russell Dardine, who went by his middle name Keith, did

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<v Speaker 2>not show up to his seven am shift at a

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<v Speaker 2>local water plant. This was very unlike Keith, who lived

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<v Speaker 2>in a mon noble home in the tiny town of Anna, Illinois.

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<v Speaker 2>The area back then had a population of just four

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and sixty people. Keith lived with his family, thirty

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<v Speaker 2>year old Ruby Elaine, who also went by her middle name,

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<v Speaker 2>and their three year old son, Peter. Elaine was seven

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<v Speaker 2>months pregnant. They were excited about the new baby, due

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<v Speaker 2>January eleventh, and already had potential names picked out. If

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<v Speaker 2>the baby was a girl, they were going to name

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<v Speaker 2>her Casey. If it was a boy, he would be Ian.

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<v Speaker 2>Keith worked for the Wrend Lake Conservancy District and Elaine

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<v Speaker 2>worked part time at an office supplies store in Mount Vernon.

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<v Speaker 2>They were very active in their local Baptist church, where

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<v Speaker 2>Elaine played the piano and Keith sang in the choir.

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<v Speaker 2>Both Keith and Elaine were very reliable, so his family

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<v Speaker 2>immediately knew that something was wrong. Keith's shift supervisor went

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<v Speaker 2>to the mobile home and knocked on the door, but

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<v Speaker 2>no one answered, so then he called Keith's parents, Russell

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<v Speaker 2>and Joanne Dardine, who were divorced but lived fairly near

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<v Speaker 2>each other and had an amicable relationship. Neither of them

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<v Speaker 2>had heard from Keith or anyone else in the family.

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<v Speaker 2>Both Russell and Joanne spoke with the Jefferson County Sheriff's office,

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<v Speaker 2>and the police agreed to do a welfare check. Joanne

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<v Speaker 2>said that she remembered telling the officer where he could

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<v Speaker 2>find Keith and Elaine's spare key, but in the end,

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't need it. We called Joanne and she talked

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<v Speaker 2>to us about what happened that evening when police came

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<v Speaker 2>to that trailer.

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<v Speaker 3>The state police officer came. He knocked on the front door,

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<v Speaker 3>no offesser, So he went around to the back door

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<v Speaker 3>and I had told him if the back door is locked,

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<v Speaker 3>there's the key, and I told him where the key

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<v Speaker 3>was dead. All he did was just turning the doorknob

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<v Speaker 3>and the door open. So he shined his flashlight in

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<v Speaker 3>because it was getting dark. The bedroom door was right there.

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<v Speaker 3>He shined the flashlight into that bedroom and he'd seen

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<v Speaker 3>people laying there.

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<v Speaker 2>Keith and Elaine had been living in their mobile home

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<v Speaker 2>by the train tracks for just over a year. It

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<v Speaker 2>had formerly been used by the Illinois Central Railroad, and

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<v Speaker 2>according to joe Anne, they had been planning on moving soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Keith had told his parents that he wanted to move,

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<v Speaker 2>partly because they wanted a bigger place for their growing family,

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<v Speaker 2>and also because he said crime in the area had

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<v Speaker 2>gotten bad. There had been a recent rape in the

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<v Speaker 2>area near their trailer, and there had reportedly been fourteen

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<v Speaker 2>bodies found in the two year period before in Jefferson County.

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<v Speaker 2>With three confirmed murder cases. Many of those mysterious deaths

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<v Speaker 2>were unsolved. There was a familicide committed in nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 2>five by eighteen year old Thomas Odele, who killed his

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<v Speaker 2>parents and siblings one by one, stabbing them with a

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<v Speaker 2>butcher knife, except for his younger brother, who he strangled,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was also reported the local community had been

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<v Speaker 2>in fear since July second, nineteen eighty seven, when the

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<v Speaker 2>nude body of ten year old Amy Schultz was found

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<v Speaker 2>in rural Jefferson County. Amy's clothes were found strown along

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<v Speaker 2>the access road. It was later determined that she had

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<v Speaker 2>been raped and murdered, Her throat had been slit, and

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<v Speaker 2>her killer had stepped on her to exsanguinate her. Eventually,

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<v Speaker 2>a local man named Cecil Sutherland was arrested, and in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty nine he was tried and convicted for Amy's murder,

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<v Speaker 2>but it took months for police to process evidence and

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<v Speaker 2>make an arrest, and in the meantime, Amy's killer was

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<v Speaker 2>still at large. The brutality of her murder terrified the

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<v Speaker 2>community in Jefferson and in surrounding counties. Keith had been

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<v Speaker 2>so worried by the news that one night, when a

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<v Speaker 2>young woman showed up at the house asking if she

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<v Speaker 2>could use Keith and Elaine's phone, Keith refused. When police

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<v Speaker 2>entered the trailer, they found three dead bodies in the

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<v Speaker 2>main bedroom, all in the same bed. There was blood everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>The victims had been beaten to death. It was Elaine

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<v Speaker 2>and her son Peter, and police later said that during

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<v Speaker 2>the prolonged attack, the killer beat Elaine so severely that

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<v Speaker 2>she went into labor and gave birth to her daughter,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the killer or killers beat the baby to death.

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<v Speaker 2>Then they neatly wrapped Elaine, her baby, and Peter in

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<v Speaker 2>the bedding and tucked them into their waterbed. Keith was

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<v Speaker 2>nowhere to be found. Even now, thirty eight years later,

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<v Speaker 2>people in the area of Ana, Illinois and law enforcement

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<v Speaker 2>who worked this case are still describing it as the

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<v Speaker 2>most horrific murder that anyone has ever seen.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm Catherine Townsend.

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<v Speaker 2>Police and Ana Illinois were processing a horrific and strange

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<v Speaker 2>crime scene and they couldn't understand it because Keith and

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<v Speaker 2>Elaine were very well liked in the community. Keith's friend

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin Harris, who was the best man in the couple's wedding,

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<v Speaker 2>told local news station KFBS twelve that Keith and Elaine

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<v Speaker 2>were two of the nicest people you'd ever want to meet.

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<v Speaker 2>At first, police theorized that because Keith was the only

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<v Speaker 2>one missing, he had killed his family.

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<v Speaker 3>They were trying to locate Keith because they thought Keith

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<v Speaker 3>had murdered them, and I said, no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 3>My son would not do that. He loved his family dearly.

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<v Speaker 3>And they had me getting on the phone, falling his

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<v Speaker 3>friends and whoever I could to see if Keith possessed

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<v Speaker 3>their house, and of course they were all shocked. She said, no,

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<v Speaker 3>Keith's not here, and so it just, you know, it

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<v Speaker 3>just was really hard to bear.

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<v Speaker 2>Joanne, Keith's mother, was still trying to process the shock

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<v Speaker 2>of learning that not only had her daughter in law

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<v Speaker 2>and two grandchildren been brutally beaten to death, but that

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<v Speaker 2>her son Keith was the main suspect and Keith was missing.

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<v Speaker 2>Joanne said that the police stayed at her house and

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<v Speaker 2>told her that this was for the family's protection because

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<v Speaker 2>presumably they didn't know where Keith was and if he

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<v Speaker 2>was the main suspect, who he could target next.

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<v Speaker 3>After quite a long time, they said, well, you are

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<v Speaker 3>not allowed to leave the house until we say so,

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<v Speaker 3>and you'll have a bodyguard outside the house. So they

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<v Speaker 3>had to be golf parked outside my home for our benefit,

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<v Speaker 3>and they were looking for Keith. They were there all

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<v Speaker 3>night long, which we tried to get some rest, which

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't, and then I got a strange phone call

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<v Speaker 3>in the middle of the night. It was somebody calling

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<v Speaker 3>for somebody and I said, they don't live here. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know you are, I don't know who you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Joanne said that she told law enforcement about the strange

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<v Speaker 2>phone call, but then nothing more ever came.

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<v Speaker 4>Of it, But already word was spreading.

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<v Speaker 2>Through the small community about the horrific murders that happened

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<v Speaker 2>at that trailer. The next day, Joanne was asked to

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<v Speaker 2>go down to the police department. There she heard for

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<v Speaker 2>the first time the brutal and horrific details of what

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<v Speaker 2>really happened to her daughter in law and grandchildren.

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<v Speaker 3>They took me into a room and they ended up

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<v Speaker 3>telling me that Elaine delivered the baby during the feeding

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<v Speaker 3>and the baby was born alive, and then they killed

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<v Speaker 3>the baby. That was the first I had heard of it,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was just totally shocked. But they didn't know

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<v Speaker 3>the baby was there until their corner got there and

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<v Speaker 3>they started to remove the bodies to the mortuary. The

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<v Speaker 3>baby was laying between her and Peter.

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<v Speaker 2>The police were still trying to track down Keith as

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<v Speaker 2>their primary suspect, but the next day everything changed. At

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<v Speaker 2>around five point fifty pm, two hunters were walking through

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<v Speaker 2>a wheat field in Franklin County, the neighboring county, and

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<v Speaker 2>they saw something horrifying. It was Keith's body and it

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<v Speaker 2>had been mutilated. Keith's mother, Joanne, told us that the

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<v Speaker 2>entire investigation into her daughter in law and grandchildren's deaths changed.

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<v Speaker 2>Law enforcement no longer believed that Keith killed his family

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<v Speaker 2>because they had found Keith's body.

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<v Speaker 3>My daughter she took me out to the hospital to

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<v Speaker 3>get me something to help me relax and sleep. And

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<v Speaker 3>while we was at the hospital, somebody was about ten

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<v Speaker 3>feet away from us, and they were talking on the

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<v Speaker 3>phone and they said, do you mean they found that

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<v Speaker 3>Dardine man? And my daughter heard him and she walked

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<v Speaker 3>over there and they told her that they had found Keith.

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<v Speaker 2>Police found one of the Dardine family's cars parked near

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<v Speaker 2>a police station Inventon, about eleven miles from anah A

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty one Red Plymouth. The car interior was covered

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<v Speaker 2>in blood, and police later said that they believed that

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<v Speaker 2>Keith was shot multiple times in the head. Inside the car,

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<v Speaker 2>he was also shot in the chest. Then his killer

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<v Speaker 2>or killers dragged him outside to that wheat field on

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<v Speaker 2>the campus of Red Lake College, which was about a

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<v Speaker 2>mile and a half from the Dardine's trailer. Then he

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<v Speaker 2>was mutilated. His killers had severed his penis. The body

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<v Speaker 2>seemed to have been left out in an area where

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<v Speaker 2>people could pretty easily find it. And then it seemed

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<v Speaker 2>as though the killer drove the car away from the

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<v Speaker 2>site of where they shot Keith to the place where

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<v Speaker 2>it was found abandoned near the police station.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a road to the right that took you

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<v Speaker 3>to the college, and then there was a road that

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<v Speaker 3>slung around and went out to a lake and parks

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<v Speaker 3>and stuff like that, And just as you turned that corner,

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<v Speaker 3>they had drugged Keith's body out of the car into

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<v Speaker 3>that field, and they pulled his clothes down in the cutting.

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<v Speaker 3>They left him that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Keith's exact time of death could not be calculated precisely.

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<v Speaker 2>According to the Saint Louis Post Dispatch, the coroner of

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<v Speaker 2>Franklin County said that Keith had been dead for between

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<v Speaker 2>twelve and forty eight hours, while other sources said he

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<v Speaker 2>had been dead between twenty four and thirty six hours.

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<v Speaker 2>So was Keith killed before his family at the same

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<v Speaker 2>time or afterwards. Doctor Richard Garretson, the coroner, said that

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<v Speaker 2>Keith had a completely different cause of death than that

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<v Speaker 2>of the rest of his family. The coroner said Keith

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<v Speaker 2>had not been beaten, but police were not saying much

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<v Speaker 2>about this investigation, even though local rumors were already flying.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people believed that Elaine's baby had been cut out

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<v Speaker 2>of her womb, or that Keith's murder had been part

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<v Speaker 2>of some kind of satanic ritual. Our foury request was denied.

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<v Speaker 2>This is still open investigation, even though it's been almost

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<v Speaker 2>forty years. Keith's body was found right across the county

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<v Speaker 2>line from their trailer, so the investigation was initially handled

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<v Speaker 2>by two different police departments. Separate inquiries were opened for

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<v Speaker 2>Keith's and Elaine's deaths, and Elaine's family, according to Keith's mother,

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<v Speaker 2>retained an attorney. Joanne said that the relationship between her

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<v Speaker 2>family and her daughter in law's family began to deteriorate.

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<v Speaker 3>They went on ahead and made arrangements for Elaine before

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<v Speaker 3>we even found Keith's body, which her side. The family

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<v Speaker 3>didn't want to agree to anything because they just knew

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<v Speaker 3>Keith killed them, and when they actually found Keith's body,

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<v Speaker 3>they realized Keith didn't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Joanne told us that even though police knew that Keith

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<v Speaker 2>was a victim and that he did not harm his family,

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<v Speaker 2>she felt as though they believed he was somehow responsible

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<v Speaker 2>for what happened to them.

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<v Speaker 3>They felt like it was his fault. They felt like

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<v Speaker 3>even though they found Keith, they still felt like it

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<v Speaker 3>was Keith's fault that it happened.

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<v Speaker 4>We have reached out to Elaine's family.

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<v Speaker 2>We spoke to one of her sisters, who indicated that

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<v Speaker 2>neither she nor anyone else in the family wished to

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<v Speaker 2>comment about this case. Joanne said, no one who talked

0:16:09.681 --> 0:16:12.881
<v Speaker 2>to Keith's friends and family could find any reason why

0:16:12.921 --> 0:16:16.001
<v Speaker 2>someone would have targeted him or why he would have

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to hurt his family.

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<v Speaker 3>The police told me that they had talked to over

0:16:21.081 --> 0:16:25.321
<v Speaker 3>a thousand people, and they said that they never found

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<v Speaker 3>not one person to say one bad word against Keith,

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<v Speaker 3>not one.

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<v Speaker 4>This case was complicated.

0:16:35.881 --> 0:16:39.441
<v Speaker 2>There were two separate crime scenes, and the primary and

0:16:39.521 --> 0:16:42.681
<v Speaker 2>secondary crime scenes were so different, at least from what

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<v Speaker 2>we know now, that in my opinion, it seemed like

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<v Speaker 2>the work of two different killers.

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<v Speaker 3>I seemed to believe that whoever did it Keith was

0:16:51.921 --> 0:16:53.641
<v Speaker 3>friendly with him Keith Newan.

0:16:59.441 --> 0:17:02.401
<v Speaker 2>It was reported that Elaine, Peter, and the baby were

0:17:02.441 --> 0:17:05.880
<v Speaker 2>beaten to death using a baseball bat. The bat was

0:17:05.921 --> 0:17:09.720
<v Speaker 2>a present that Keith had given to his son, So

0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:13.840
<v Speaker 2>whoever killed Elaine, the baby and Peter did not bring

0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:17.441
<v Speaker 2>a weapon with them. We asked Joanne about the murder

0:17:17.481 --> 0:17:20.241
<v Speaker 2>weapon that was used to kill Keith, and she said

0:17:20.281 --> 0:17:23.680
<v Speaker 2>that Keith did own guns, but those were not the

0:17:23.721 --> 0:17:26.401
<v Speaker 2>ones that were used to shoot him. She said one

0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:28.680
<v Speaker 2>of Keith's guns was found in a closet and his

0:17:28.761 --> 0:17:31.720
<v Speaker 2>other one, a shotgun, had also not been used in

0:17:31.761 --> 0:17:34.561
<v Speaker 2>the killings. So it seemed as though the killer shot

0:17:34.681 --> 0:17:37.160
<v Speaker 2>Keith with a weapon that they brought with them.

0:17:37.561 --> 0:17:39.481
<v Speaker 4>But what about the other physical evidence?

0:17:39.921 --> 0:17:43.481
<v Speaker 2>Surely with two such brutal crime scenes, the killer left

0:17:43.521 --> 0:17:47.241
<v Speaker 2>a trace of hair, skin, or other DNA. Back then,

0:17:47.360 --> 0:17:50.641
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen eighty seven, DNA testing was in its infancy,

0:17:51.121 --> 0:17:53.801
<v Speaker 2>But I still wonder what happened to the evidence, the

0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:56.680
<v Speaker 2>baseball back covered in blood, the bedding, the DNA from

0:17:56.721 --> 0:17:59.640
<v Speaker 2>the bodies and from the field where Keith was found.

0:18:00.281 --> 0:18:04.401
<v Speaker 2>Was there any usable DNA collected and if so, where

0:18:04.481 --> 0:18:06.921
<v Speaker 2>is it now? And is there any way that it

0:18:06.961 --> 0:18:12.241
<v Speaker 2>could be tested. Police were also struggling with motive because,

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<v Speaker 2>according to media reports, nothing was taken from the trailer,

0:18:15.881 --> 0:18:20.161
<v Speaker 2>no cash, not their BCR or their camera, Elaine's jewelry

0:18:20.281 --> 0:18:23.840
<v Speaker 2>was also found there, untouched. Robbery did not appear to

0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:27.080
<v Speaker 2>be the motive. Also, the back door was open and

0:18:27.121 --> 0:18:30.920
<v Speaker 2>there was no sign of forced entry. Police interviewed the

0:18:30.921 --> 0:18:33.441
<v Speaker 2>family's friends, trying to figure out if there was another

0:18:33.521 --> 0:18:37.201
<v Speaker 2>motive that wasn't immediately obvious. They asked if either Keith

0:18:37.321 --> 0:18:40.561
<v Speaker 2>or Elaine had had affairs, but found no evidence that

0:18:40.641 --> 0:18:43.360
<v Speaker 2>either of them had. They also checked to see if

0:18:43.361 --> 0:18:46.641
<v Speaker 2>there could be a financial motive. At the home, there

0:18:46.801 --> 0:18:49.401
<v Speaker 2>was a stack of papers with sports scores on them,

0:18:49.521 --> 0:18:52.441
<v Speaker 2>and apparently this motivated police to ask if Keith had

0:18:52.601 --> 0:18:56.080
<v Speaker 2>a problem with gambling or if he possibly had gambling debts.

0:18:56.881 --> 0:18:59.721
<v Speaker 2>His mother told police that Keith was careful with money

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<v Speaker 2>and that that would have been very out of character

0:19:02.121 --> 0:19:06.920
<v Speaker 2>for him. With no motive, police considered the possibility this

0:19:06.961 --> 0:19:09.840
<v Speaker 2>could have been a random drifter, a serial killer, or,

0:19:09.961 --> 0:19:12.761
<v Speaker 2>as some members of the community had wondered, some kind

0:19:12.801 --> 0:19:16.241
<v Speaker 2>of satanic cult. The Post dispatched it a story on

0:19:16.281 --> 0:19:19.481
<v Speaker 2>the case. They quoted a police expert on cults who

0:19:19.521 --> 0:19:22.761
<v Speaker 2>told the paper that Satanists would mutilate bodies and leave

0:19:22.801 --> 0:19:26.120
<v Speaker 2>satanic symbols at the crime scene, among other things, and

0:19:26.361 --> 0:19:29.960
<v Speaker 2>the nineteen eighties was prime time for Satanic panic, a

0:19:30.001 --> 0:19:34.161
<v Speaker 2>period marked by these sensationalized and false media stories about

0:19:34.201 --> 0:19:38.801
<v Speaker 2>alleged Satanic cults and ritual abuse. But almost all of

0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:42.241
<v Speaker 2>these claims in the Dardian case were discredited. There was

0:19:42.361 --> 0:19:45.241
<v Speaker 2>no evidence that the Dartian family murders were in any

0:19:45.241 --> 0:19:50.041
<v Speaker 2>way connected to Satanism, so were the Dardenes killed by

0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:53.961
<v Speaker 2>a random drifter or by someone closer to home. The

0:19:54.041 --> 0:19:57.681
<v Speaker 2>Franklin County Coroner, for one, did not believe the Dardans

0:19:57.721 --> 0:20:01.801
<v Speaker 2>were random victims. He told the Post Dispatch, quote, I

0:20:01.881 --> 0:20:05.001
<v Speaker 2>believe it was a very personal, deliberate thing, end quote.

0:20:05.561 --> 0:20:09.721
<v Speaker 2>But the crime scene seemed to perplex even outside experts.

0:20:10.401 --> 0:20:13.600
<v Speaker 2>At one point, two FBI profillowers were brought in, and

0:20:13.641 --> 0:20:16.721
<v Speaker 2>they reportedly said the crime fell outside the scope of

0:20:16.761 --> 0:20:25.080
<v Speaker 2>their usual analytic methods. Joanne Dardine never gave up talking

0:20:25.121 --> 0:20:28.001
<v Speaker 2>to the media. She asked the Oprah Winfrey Show to

0:20:28.041 --> 0:20:30.721
<v Speaker 2>cover the case, but they turned her down due to

0:20:30.761 --> 0:20:34.600
<v Speaker 2>the violent content of the killings. America's Most Wanted agreed

0:20:34.601 --> 0:20:38.201
<v Speaker 2>to cover the killings, but the show generated no real leeds.

0:20:39.401 --> 0:20:43.201
<v Speaker 2>Keith and Elaine led a quiet, family oriented lifestyle, Friends

0:20:43.201 --> 0:20:46.161
<v Speaker 2>and families that they didn't drink, party or do drugs.

0:20:46.881 --> 0:20:50.081
<v Speaker 2>There was a small amount of marijuana found at the trailer,

0:20:50.641 --> 0:20:53.201
<v Speaker 2>but police said they weren't sure whether this was the

0:20:53.281 --> 0:20:56.241
<v Speaker 2>Dardine's pot or whether it could have been left there

0:20:56.241 --> 0:20:59.881
<v Speaker 2>by the killer. The autopsies showed no trace of drugs

0:20:59.961 --> 0:21:03.281
<v Speaker 2>or alcohol in anyone's system, and the small amount of

0:21:03.321 --> 0:21:10.920
<v Speaker 2>marijuana found didn't raise any red flags about possible drug dealing. Eventually,

0:21:11.321 --> 0:21:15.001
<v Speaker 2>the Illinois State Police joined in the investigation. It was

0:21:15.041 --> 0:21:19.120
<v Speaker 2>reported that thirty detectives interviewed over one hundred people in all.

0:21:19.681 --> 0:21:23.801
<v Speaker 2>One detective told Keith's mother, Joanne, they had interviewed over

0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:27.880
<v Speaker 2>one thousand people. They also publicly stated there were several

0:21:27.921 --> 0:21:31.120
<v Speaker 2>binders full of information and leads about this case and

0:21:31.201 --> 0:21:35.921
<v Speaker 2>yet no arrests. They talked to one of Keith's coworkers,

0:21:36.201 --> 0:21:38.841
<v Speaker 2>someone he reportedly had some kind of a disagreement with,

0:21:39.401 --> 0:21:42.921
<v Speaker 2>and another local man, but both of these people were

0:21:43.001 --> 0:21:49.281
<v Speaker 2>quickly by law enforcement. The crime reverberated through the small community.

0:21:49.801 --> 0:21:54.521
<v Speaker 2>The Franklin County Coroner described what people were experiencing as hysteria.

0:21:55.121 --> 0:21:58.961
<v Speaker 2>People were scared. One man who lived nearby told local

0:21:59.001 --> 0:22:02.401
<v Speaker 2>media he couldn't sleep at night and lost fourteen pounds.

0:22:02.601 --> 0:22:06.361
<v Speaker 2>Because of the stress from these murders, people were driving

0:22:06.401 --> 0:22:09.681
<v Speaker 2>around with guns in their gun racks and becoming suspicious

0:22:09.721 --> 0:22:12.881
<v Speaker 2>of each other. Kids were told to come straight home

0:22:12.921 --> 0:22:16.681
<v Speaker 2>from school. Then in March of two thousand, there was

0:22:16.721 --> 0:22:20.681
<v Speaker 2>a big potential break in the case. A man confessed

0:22:20.721 --> 0:22:24.160
<v Speaker 2>to the Dardine murders. It was the convicted serial killer

0:22:24.441 --> 0:22:36.400
<v Speaker 2>Tommy Lynn Cells. Serial killer Tommy Lynn Cells grew up

0:22:36.401 --> 0:22:39.120
<v Speaker 2>in Saint Louis, about ninety miles away from where the

0:22:39.201 --> 0:22:42.680
<v Speaker 2>Dardines lived. He claimed that he committed his first murder

0:22:42.721 --> 0:22:46.281
<v Speaker 2>when he was just fifteen years old. He was finally

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<v Speaker 2>apprehended by police in two thousand days earlier. In Del Rio, Texas,

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<v Speaker 2>on December thirty first, nineteen ninety nine, ten year old

0:22:54.761 --> 0:22:58.161
<v Speaker 2>Crystal Searles and her friend, thirteen year old Kayleen Harris,

0:22:58.281 --> 0:23:01.880
<v Speaker 2>were having a sleepover at Kayleen's trailer. Crystal woke up

0:23:01.921 --> 0:23:04.041
<v Speaker 2>in the middle of the night to see a stranger

0:23:04.080 --> 0:23:08.561
<v Speaker 2>assaulting Kayleen. She watched with horror as he murdered her friend,

0:23:09.121 --> 0:23:12.241
<v Speaker 2>and then he turned to her and slipped Crystal's throat,

0:23:13.161 --> 0:23:16.801
<v Speaker 2>but Crystal survived. She managed to stay calm and escaped

0:23:16.840 --> 0:23:19.961
<v Speaker 2>to a neighbor's house. The neighbor called nine one one,

0:23:20.121 --> 0:23:24.041
<v Speaker 2>and Crystal was rushed to the hospital. Even after that trauma,

0:23:24.561 --> 0:23:27.521
<v Speaker 2>Cristel was able to help police. She gave them a

0:23:27.561 --> 0:23:31.321
<v Speaker 2>description and they put out an APB. Tommy Lynne Sells

0:23:31.361 --> 0:23:34.721
<v Speaker 2>was arrested the next day and quickly confessed not only

0:23:34.761 --> 0:23:38.601
<v Speaker 2>to those killings, but to many more. He told police

0:23:38.641 --> 0:23:40.521
<v Speaker 2>that he was a serial killer and that he had

0:23:40.521 --> 0:23:44.001
<v Speaker 2>been killing people for over twenty years. He said that

0:23:44.080 --> 0:23:47.201
<v Speaker 2>during his years drifting around the United States, many of

0:23:47.241 --> 0:23:50.640
<v Speaker 2>them working temporary jobs in carnivals, he killed up to

0:23:50.681 --> 0:23:54.440
<v Speaker 2>seventy victims. He was eventually linked to over twenty murders.

0:23:55.521 --> 0:23:58.880
<v Speaker 2>He was sentenced to death for Kayleen's murder and placed

0:23:58.881 --> 0:24:02.361
<v Speaker 2>on death row in Texas, and that's where in March

0:24:02.401 --> 0:24:05.921
<v Speaker 2>of two thousand, he confessed to the Dardane family murders.

0:24:06.561 --> 0:24:09.840
<v Speaker 2>But did he really kill the Dardines or was he

0:24:09.961 --> 0:24:13.201
<v Speaker 2>just confessing to as many killings as possible as some

0:24:13.281 --> 0:24:15.920
<v Speaker 2>killers do in order to messed up, as it sounds,

0:24:16.161 --> 0:24:19.161
<v Speaker 2>potentially gain respect and become a bigger deal in prison.

0:24:20.321 --> 0:24:23.880
<v Speaker 2>There were definitely questions about the authenticity of his confessions

0:24:24.401 --> 0:24:28.081
<v Speaker 2>because Tommy Lynn Sells told several different stories. He said

0:24:28.080 --> 0:24:30.160
<v Speaker 2>that he was living near Saint Louis, which would have

0:24:30.201 --> 0:24:32.281
<v Speaker 2>been about ninety miles away from where Keith and o

0:24:32.321 --> 0:24:34.360
<v Speaker 2>Lane were living at the time. He said that he

0:24:34.441 --> 0:24:36.761
<v Speaker 2>was riding trains, jumping on and off of them to

0:24:36.801 --> 0:24:40.080
<v Speaker 2>get around, and working odd jobs, mainly at various carnivals.

0:24:40.681 --> 0:24:43.401
<v Speaker 2>He claimed to be familiar with the area near where

0:24:43.481 --> 0:24:46.761
<v Speaker 2>Keith and Elaine lived. In one version of the confession,

0:24:46.961 --> 0:24:48.840
<v Speaker 2>he said that he met Keith in a gas station

0:24:49.201 --> 0:24:51.601
<v Speaker 2>that Keith propositioned him and asked him to come back

0:24:51.601 --> 0:24:54.201
<v Speaker 2>to his house to have a three way sexual encounter

0:24:54.361 --> 0:24:57.001
<v Speaker 2>with Elaine. But he claimed that once they were at

0:24:57.041 --> 0:25:00.960
<v Speaker 2>the trailer, Keith made a homosexual proposition to him, and

0:25:01.001 --> 0:25:03.441
<v Speaker 2>that he was offended by that and became very angry,

0:25:04.080 --> 0:25:06.961
<v Speaker 2>so he said he drove Keith at gunpoint to where

0:25:06.961 --> 0:25:10.041
<v Speaker 2>he was found. He told police, quote, I was just

0:25:10.080 --> 0:25:12.321
<v Speaker 2>so pissed off that I took it to the maximum limit.

0:25:12.840 --> 0:25:14.481
<v Speaker 2>Rage don't have a stop button.

0:25:14.641 --> 0:25:15.120
<v Speaker 4>End quote.

0:25:16.281 --> 0:25:19.241
<v Speaker 2>In another version of the story, he told the authorities

0:25:19.241 --> 0:25:21.321
<v Speaker 2>that he was on a freight train and jumped off

0:25:21.361 --> 0:25:24.401
<v Speaker 2>near Aina that he saw for sale sign outside Keith

0:25:24.441 --> 0:25:28.120
<v Speaker 2>and Elaine's trailer. That's when he said he decided he

0:25:28.201 --> 0:25:30.600
<v Speaker 2>was going to kill them, so he said he knocked

0:25:30.601 --> 0:25:33.080
<v Speaker 2>on the door. He claimed that he told Keith he

0:25:33.161 --> 0:25:35.801
<v Speaker 2>was interested in buying the trailer, which led to him

0:25:35.840 --> 0:25:40.400
<v Speaker 2>drinking beers with Keith before overpowering him at gunpoint. This

0:25:40.481 --> 0:25:43.681
<v Speaker 2>story completely left out any kind of a sexual mode.

0:25:43.840 --> 0:25:47.281
<v Speaker 2>It again, he claimed that he forced Keith to drive

0:25:47.321 --> 0:25:50.521
<v Speaker 2>to a nearby field, and then he said he sliced

0:25:50.601 --> 0:25:54.360
<v Speaker 2>Keith's penis off. This time he added another detail. He

0:25:54.401 --> 0:25:57.001
<v Speaker 2>said that during this attack, he told Keith that he

0:25:57.080 --> 0:26:00.081
<v Speaker 2>was going to take his penis back to Elaine. Then

0:26:00.241 --> 0:26:03.321
<v Speaker 2>he claimed he went back to the trailer, raved Elane

0:26:03.481 --> 0:26:07.600
<v Speaker 2>and beat her, Peter, and Elaine's baby to death. He

0:26:07.761 --> 0:26:10.600
<v Speaker 2>then stole the car, which he claimed he drove to Benton,

0:26:10.801 --> 0:26:14.241
<v Speaker 2>where it was found abandoned. At the time, a local

0:26:14.281 --> 0:26:17.361
<v Speaker 2>news report quoted John Kemp of the Jefferson County Sheriff's

0:26:17.361 --> 0:26:20.721
<v Speaker 2>Office stating that because of a detail that Tommy Lynn

0:26:20.801 --> 0:26:24.761
<v Speaker 2>Sells gave police something about seeing a set of watermelon

0:26:24.840 --> 0:26:28.561
<v Speaker 2>ceramics inside the Dardine home, ones that John Kemp said

0:26:28.601 --> 0:26:32.441
<v Speaker 2>match the crime scene, police believed that he was the killer.

0:26:33.241 --> 0:26:36.961
<v Speaker 2>On the other hand, law enforcement have publicly said some

0:26:37.001 --> 0:26:40.281
<v Speaker 2>of the details of Tommy's confession just don't match the facts.

0:26:40.761 --> 0:26:45.161
<v Speaker 2>Police have stated that Elaine was not raped or sexually assaulted.

0:26:48.681 --> 0:26:51.880
<v Speaker 2>Keith's mom, Joanne, has changed her opinion about whether or

0:26:51.961 --> 0:26:55.640
<v Speaker 2>not Tommy Lynne Sells could have been the killer. At first,

0:26:55.721 --> 0:26:58.761
<v Speaker 2>she said she felt the confession could be legitimate, but

0:26:58.881 --> 0:27:02.321
<v Speaker 2>then years later, when a newspaper asked her again, she

0:27:02.361 --> 0:27:05.880
<v Speaker 2>said she felt less certain. She said she believed that

0:27:05.921 --> 0:27:09.601
<v Speaker 2>it was very unlikely that Keith ever would have propositioned

0:27:09.601 --> 0:27:12.441
<v Speaker 2>a stranger to be sexually involved with his wife.

0:27:12.481 --> 0:27:15.001
<v Speaker 4>She said that Keith was very protective of his family.

0:27:15.921 --> 0:27:18.881
<v Speaker 2>Another reason why Joeanne does not believe Tommy Lynn Sells

0:27:18.961 --> 0:27:22.160
<v Speaker 2>was the killer was because Tommy Lynn Sells would have

0:27:22.161 --> 0:27:25.961
<v Speaker 2>been a random stranger. He told police he waited outside

0:27:26.001 --> 0:27:28.880
<v Speaker 2>the trailer, drinking beer and waiting for his chance to attack.

0:27:29.601 --> 0:27:30.721
<v Speaker 4>And given the fact that.

0:27:30.761 --> 0:27:33.321
<v Speaker 2>Keith had turned away a young woman who wanted to

0:27:33.401 --> 0:27:36.360
<v Speaker 2>use the phone, Joanne said she does not believe that

0:27:36.401 --> 0:27:38.440
<v Speaker 2>it would be in character for him to let a

0:27:38.521 --> 0:27:41.401
<v Speaker 2>random twenty two year old man into his home at night.

0:27:42.561 --> 0:27:44.681
<v Speaker 2>Then there's the fact there was no sign of forced

0:27:44.761 --> 0:27:47.281
<v Speaker 2>entry and no sign of a struggle at the home,

0:27:47.801 --> 0:27:50.961
<v Speaker 2>and that whoever killed Joanne and her children took the

0:27:51.121 --> 0:27:54.881
<v Speaker 2>time to clean up the crime scene, which suggested whoever

0:27:54.921 --> 0:27:56.681
<v Speaker 2>it was was not in a hurry.

0:27:57.481 --> 0:28:00.400
<v Speaker 3>I've seen the believe that there were two people that

0:28:00.521 --> 0:28:04.521
<v Speaker 3>did it. I don't have anything that based it on

0:28:04.840 --> 0:28:09.201
<v Speaker 3>or prove it, but I believe it was a woman involved.

0:28:10.241 --> 0:28:13.001
<v Speaker 2>Could the killer have been Tommy Lynn Sells or another

0:28:13.080 --> 0:28:17.201
<v Speaker 2>random drifter. In nineteen ninety nine, police considered a different

0:28:17.241 --> 0:28:22.281
<v Speaker 2>serial killer named Angel Mattino Risendi's who was also known

0:28:22.361 --> 0:28:26.080
<v Speaker 2>by the alias Raphael Ramirez. Angel had been dubbed the

0:28:26.161 --> 0:28:30.121
<v Speaker 2>railroad Killer. He was from Mexico originally and is believed

0:28:30.121 --> 0:28:32.521
<v Speaker 2>to have been responsible for his many as twenty three

0:28:32.601 --> 0:28:36.721
<v Speaker 2>murders because his mo was to travel around by hopping

0:28:36.721 --> 0:28:40.201
<v Speaker 2>on and off trains. Authorities did briefly consider the fact

0:28:40.241 --> 0:28:43.401
<v Speaker 2>that he could have been involved in the Dardinane killings. However,

0:28:43.801 --> 0:28:47.281
<v Speaker 2>he was also later ruled out and we can't ask

0:28:47.321 --> 0:28:50.481
<v Speaker 2>Tommy Lynne says about the murders because he was executed

0:28:50.481 --> 0:28:51.441
<v Speaker 2>in Texas.

0:28:51.081 --> 0:28:54.001
<v Speaker 4>In twenty fourteen. He was forty nine years old.

0:28:56.121 --> 0:28:58.761
<v Speaker 2>Joe Anne doesn't think her son, daughter in law, and

0:28:58.801 --> 0:29:02.681
<v Speaker 2>grandchildren were killed by a serial killer. She has said

0:29:02.881 --> 0:29:05.601
<v Speaker 2>she believes that the killer was someone who Keith knew

0:29:06.001 --> 0:29:11.641
<v Speaker 2>and trusted. Joanne told us she believes that it's possible

0:29:11.721 --> 0:29:14.401
<v Speaker 2>that the mob or someone else may have tried to

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<v Speaker 2>convince Keith to sell drugs, and that after he refused,

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<v Speaker 2>they lashed out in a rage against Keith and his family.

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<v Speaker 2>She has also said in the past she has considered

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<v Speaker 2>the possibility that someone might have been at their home

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<v Speaker 2>and made sexual advances toward Elane, who refused, and that

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<v Speaker 2>that might have set off the horrific series of events

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<v Speaker 2>that followed.

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<v Speaker 3>I think Keith knew who did it. I really do.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he walked out voluntarily to be friendly.

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<v Speaker 2>Joanne did say that back in the beginning of the investigation,

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<v Speaker 2>police did ask her if Keith had ever shown any

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<v Speaker 2>homosexual tendencies. She said that to her knowledge, he had not.

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<v Speaker 3>When they first was questioned me, you know, by Keith's

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<v Speaker 3>penis being cut off, They was questioned me about him

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<v Speaker 3>being gay, and I said, no way whatsoever. And they said, well,

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<v Speaker 3>the mom could be the last to know. I said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that's true, but not in this case because I knew Keith,

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<v Speaker 3>and then they thought about, well what about evena I said, no,

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<v Speaker 3>no way, I really and truly think that whoever did

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<v Speaker 3>it do drugs maybe filter drugs through his mobile home,

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<v Speaker 3>and he refused.

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<v Speaker 2>We still don't know a lot of details about the timeline,

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<v Speaker 2>who was killed first, Keith or family. Joanne also said

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<v Speaker 2>she has been given Keith's autopsy report, but she said

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<v Speaker 2>that the time of death was inconclusive because there had

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<v Speaker 2>been bad weather before Keith's body was found, and at

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<v Speaker 2>the home, the waterbed had a heater. Because of those elements,

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<v Speaker 2>Joanne said she was told that the time of death

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<v Speaker 2>could not be exact. These questions still haven't been answered officially.

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<v Speaker 2>The Dardine family murders are still an unsolved case and

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<v Speaker 2>the killer could still be out there.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not part of my every day, but my four

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<v Speaker 3>grandkids they know that they had Annie Laine, and uncle

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<v Speaker 3>Piece and cousin Peter and Casey, and we talk about

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<v Speaker 3>him a lot. Their mom takes them to the cemetery

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<v Speaker 3>and they helped put stuff on the stone for Peter

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<v Speaker 3>and Casey and they loved doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>Joanne said that as long as she is alive. She

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<v Speaker 2>will never give up on getting justice for her son

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<v Speaker 2>and his family.

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<v Speaker 3>I talked to the priests every day for months and

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<v Speaker 3>months and years and years, and I still call one

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<v Speaker 3>be Techie, my favorite one. I still call him and

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<v Speaker 3>talk to him. He always told me, he said, Joanne.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, this is like a puzzle. You've put one

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<v Speaker 3>piece in at a time. One of these days, that

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<v Speaker 3>final piece is going to be put in, and you're

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<v Speaker 3>going to know who did it. And I said, well,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll never give up, Mike, And he said, I know

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<v Speaker 3>you won't.

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