1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Girl. 2 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 2: Welcome to I Choose Me, a podcast about the choices 3 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 2: we make to redefine what it means to evolve, reinvent, 4 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 2: and thrive. Few women epitomize these qualities better than Joan London, 5 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 2: a trailblazing broadcast journalist who co hosted Good Morning America 6 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 2: for seventeen years. Joan helped transform the show into the 7 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 2: highest rated morning program in the country, and over the 8 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 2: course of her career, has authored multiple best selling books 9 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 2: and mothered seven children, including two sets of twins. 10 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: After turning fifty. She writes in her new. 11 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 2: Book Joan Life Beyond the Script that she's hardwired to 12 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 2: go go go, clearly, but she is putting aside busyness 13 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 2: as a badge of honor to be productive with much more. 14 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 2: Pea want to know who you can become without the hustle. 15 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 2: Take a listen to my wonderful friend John London. Hi, 16 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 2: it's so great to see you again after all these years. 17 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 3: I remember, after all these years. 18 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 2: Remember when you came to visit the set of nine 19 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 2: two and oh in nineteen ninety two. 20 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 3: As I get ready for every interview, I don't go 21 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 3: into anything not prepared. So like, I'm looking to see 22 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 3: all the things you're doing now, And I thought, when 23 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 3: did I do that? When was I there? So I 24 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 3: go onto YouTube and put good Morning America on the 25 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 3: set of Beverly Hills nine two one, oho up pops 26 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 3: the entire show. 27 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: It was so good. 28 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 3: I watched it hire show and I'm like seeing and 29 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 3: I remember I was sitting next to Charlie and you 30 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 3: were right next to me, and I said, so, I 31 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 3: need to ask you, Jenny, your character, and Charlie's like, 32 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 3: how are you gonna ask this diplomatically? I said, she 33 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 3: just kind of keeps things juicy spicy. 34 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. 35 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 2: We went off on the whole, like the whole talk 36 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 2: of sex and teens. Yeah, yeah, but conversations that needed 37 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 2: to be had. 38 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 3: Yep. 39 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: We felt so big time to be glad. 40 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:11,959 Speaker 3: Were you? I mean, you look so young. 41 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: Ninety two, I must have been. 42 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 3: Nineteen nineteen. That's I kind of guessed you are probably nineteen. 43 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 2: Yes, Oh my gosh. I so enjoyed your new book, 44 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 2: Joan Life Beyond the Script. I devoured every page and 45 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 2: I learned about your life and I saw myself in 46 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 2: so much of your journey. 47 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: It was wonderful. 48 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, I mean I see you in much of 49 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 3: my journey, you know, starting at young I got Good Morning. 50 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 3: I started at Good Morning America. I was what twenty four, 51 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 3: twenty five, and then finally kind of you know, shows 52 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 3: end and like for me, everybody expected me to jump 53 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 3: into another And actually, I mean there was a talk 54 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 3: show that was tried to be designed for me and 55 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 3: I didn't really lean in, and I couldn't even stand 56 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 3: what's wrong with you? And I was exhausted, just completely 57 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 3: heavily exhausted at the time. And you know it. You 58 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 3: really can't appreciate what you did following something that's so big. 59 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 3: And I don't think I could have written this book 60 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 3: if I it like five or ten years, even five 61 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 3: years before now, because now I had the ability to 62 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 3: look at the whole arc and say, wait a minute, 63 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 3: like you didn't like blow it. Your last twenty five 64 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 3: years have allowed you to make your mark on this 65 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 3: earth in kind of a lot of more significant ways. Actually, yeah, 66 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 3: and a lot of the same ways that you now 67 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 3: are out talking about. 68 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean I so related to you said, 69 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 2: you've come to realize that you've spent your entire life 70 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 2: in a full sprint, always chasing, always pushing, always revving 71 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 2: the engine to its highest gear. 72 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: But as you look. 73 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 2: Back now you find yourself asking did I even have 74 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 2: time to. 75 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: Absorb it all? 76 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 2: I feel like that all women can relate to that. 77 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 3: I mean, I gotta tell you, Jenny, one of my 78 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 3: early early assistants started an archived timeline, and that timeline 79 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 3: starts at the very beginning GMA, and it has every 80 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 3: major interview and a lot of just even smaller interviews 81 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 3: every trip we took. Now I have an incredible They 82 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 3: also started keeping videos. I don't even know how I 83 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 3: have all the videos that I have. One of these 84 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 3: days I'm going to have to put them in a 85 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 3: big truck and send them back to ABC and say, 86 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 3: don't you guys want these now? 87 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 1: Keep them forever. 88 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 3: But it like it allowed us to put dates and descriptions. 89 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 3: Having this archived timeline. I don't know if I could 90 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 3: have written this book without. Thank God for all these 91 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 3: assistants who kept that. But also I googled my way 92 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 3: all through this book, like when did I do this? 93 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 3: When was the Republican Convention? When was I was constantly 94 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 3: BacT checking and then I would go to YouTube, and amazingly, 95 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 3: so much of it was there on YouTube, and I 96 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 3: don't even know how it all got there because I 97 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 3: didn't put it all there. 98 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: I mean, that's why you. 99 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,919 Speaker 3: Gave me the idea, Jenny. Don't you use the QR. 100 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: Codes, which I think is brilliant? 101 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 3: You really done? No, Like, my whole life is on video. 102 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 3: I called my attorney. I said, can I put QR 103 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 3: codes in the book so that people can read the 104 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 3: story and then open it up to the actual story 105 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 3: on video? He said, well, do you own all the rights? 106 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 3: I said, they're all on YouTube. He said, if they're 107 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 3: all on YouTube, have about it. You can use whatever 108 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 3: you want. So that's when. So then, of course I 109 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 3: made my job even harder because I not only had 110 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 3: to go through thousands of photographs, now I went through, 111 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 3: you know, hours and hours and hours of video to 112 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 3: what do I want to share. 113 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 2: Back to the like full sprint ahead and not really 114 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 2: absorbing any of it. Tell us how you came to 115 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 2: realize this and how you chose to course correct, you know. 116 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 3: I was just telling someone the other day that after 117 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 3: I left GMA, I was still doing behind Closed Doors 118 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 3: and my producer called me one day and said, can 119 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 3: you meet me in Washington tomorrow, wear that navy blue 120 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 3: suit with a really short skirt and fight meels, and 121 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 3: we need to go to the Pentagon. We're going to 122 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 3: ask them if we can get into whatever crazy thing 123 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 3: we were asking them to let us do. And I 124 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 3: got up the next morning really really could take like 125 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 3: a six o'clock flight to get there by seven, and 126 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 3: I was walking across the parking lot and I said 127 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 3: to my assistant, Oh my god, I'm so tired. She said, well, yeah, 128 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 3: you woke up early. I said, no, no, No. What 129 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 3: I'm saying is how i feel right now physically, now 130 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 3: that I've had time away from the show. It just 131 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 3: hit me that how I feel right now is how 132 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 3: I felt for twenty years. I was this sleep deprived 133 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 3: and and I mean quite honestly, when I go back 134 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 3: and look at some of the things when I was 135 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 3: trying to recall, because that's what you have to do 136 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 3: when you're writing a book like this, I'd have to 137 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 3: go to YouTube or I'd have to go to my 138 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 3: video archive to say, oh, yeah, I was in eight 139 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 3: countries that year, like holy. 140 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: Crap, yeah, yours just full stop, like full time. 141 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 3: I mean, quite honestly, from a very young age, even 142 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 3: as you now that you've read the book, I don't know. 143 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 3: Maybe there's just my husband always says, not that I'm 144 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 3: looking forward to it, but when I'd like to be 145 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,679 Speaker 3: at your autopsy because I want to see that little 146 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 3: chip inside you that everybody else doesn't have just keeps 147 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 3: you going like this all the time? 148 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: Oh my god? Is it ambition? Is it tenacity? Is 149 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: it passion? 150 00:07:58,320 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 2: What is it? 151 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 3: All those things push of all. But it's such an 152 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 3: interesting question because of the fact that it just it 153 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 3: didn't just happen at like, you know, twenty three when 154 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 3: I was going into the workplace. It happened when I 155 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 3: was I don't know, a little girl. It certainly happened 156 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 3: like in high school when I just decided I'm going 157 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 3: about this at my pace, not the school's pace, and 158 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 3: I'm going to graduate a year early. And I just 159 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 3: started taking correspondence courses from UC Berkeley and going to 160 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 3: night school and going to summer school. My mom said, 161 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 3: why don't you just take a sleeping bag over there 162 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 3: and stay over there. But I was so determined to 163 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 3: graduate and get out into the real world. 164 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: Get it over with, get in there. 165 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, like let me loose, like take the reins 166 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 3: out and let me go and run. 167 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 2: Oh my god, you are the epitome of the Year 168 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 2: of the Horse. Yeah that we're kinding tiny, You're thors, 169 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 2: You're ready to run. You quote Audrey hepburn in saying 170 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 2: nothing is impossible. The word itself says I'm possible. And yes, 171 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 2: you have lived by that wordplay. You've taken so many 172 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 2: risks in your career and your jobs and your roles 173 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 2: that you've exceeded in the personal journey that you've been on. 174 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 2: Just overall, your belief that you can do anything rings 175 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 2: so clearly. I mean it's going to compliment you. You 176 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 2: are an unwavering visionary and I'm so happy to be 177 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 2: talking with you. But where do you think that belief 178 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 2: came from, that feeling that anything is possible. 179 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 3: I it came from positive affirmations from my parents, and 180 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 3: I think that's a good thing to put out there 181 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 3: into the universe other people who are raising kids. It's funny. 182 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 3: I just interviewed Susan Lucci for her book, and as 183 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 3: I when we first kind of met and got to 184 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 3: know each other about a year ago, we couldn't figure out, 185 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 3: like why is there feel this simpatico, like we have 186 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 3: this connection, Like what could it be? She's this dramatic 187 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 3: actress and I'm this pragmatic journalist. And when I started 188 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 3: reading her book, I'm like, oh my god. Her parents 189 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 3: gave her the same positive affirmations and I mean the 190 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 3: same words you can be anything you want to be, 191 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 3: you can do and it hit my mom, hits your 192 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 3: wag into a star, sweetie, like it came to me 193 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 3: all the time. And that was I mean, I'm going 194 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 3: to date myself here. 195 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 4: But that was in like the fifties and sixties, right, 196 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 4: And that was not when young girls were being told 197 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 4: go out and see the world and make your mark 198 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 4: on this world. 199 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 3: They were kind of being told to go to college 200 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 3: so you can get an mrs degree, you know, so 201 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 3: you can find a mate. And yet, so I really 202 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 3: hand it to my parents to have been telling me 203 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 3: back then, like just think in night like my I 204 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 3: lost my in nineteen sixty four. I was only thirteen, 205 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 3: So I've been hearing that women didn't get the right 206 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 3: to have a credit card or open a bank account 207 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 3: until nineteen seventy two. 208 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: Insane and it's. 209 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 3: Kind of insane. And I always love young people. I 210 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 3: hope that young women because I'm sure you have a 211 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,199 Speaker 3: lot of young women who also listen to your podcasts, 212 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 3: and I want them to understand how different it was 213 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 3: for young women not that long ago. Like here I am. 214 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 3: That was when I was a kid. That was when 215 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 3: I was in my twenties and you just weren't expecting. 216 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 3: Look when I went to try to graduate a year early, 217 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 3: the principle wasn't like applauding me. He was like, what 218 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 3: the hell are you doing? Because girls were supposed to 219 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 3: just follow the rules and not try to be anything special. 220 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 3: And I guess I had just started bucking the system. 221 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, what an incredible mom you had, yes 222 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 2: to be giving you. I mean I had the same 223 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 2: thing with my parents. They told me there's nothing you 224 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 2: can't do, and I believed them because that's what you 225 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 2: do when your parents tell you something over and over. 226 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 3: And it makes you think that you can actually be 227 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 3: able to show At nineteen years old, it became like this, 228 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 3: Oh man, that hit you, know, but then your parents 229 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 3: let you. 230 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 2: I think it was I can survive anything, and that 231 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 2: was the message I was going with then, as it 232 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 2: turned out, your career basically came from believing in yourself 233 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 2: at every step of the way. You thought initially that 234 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,319 Speaker 2: you wanted to be you follow in your father's footsteps 235 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 2: and become a doctor, but then you soon realized that 236 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 2: you felt differently about that. 237 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 3: So I wanted to talk about three months working in 238 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:59,719 Speaker 3: a hospital. Yeah, I'm sure that now, real quick, scalpels 239 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 3: and stay, which is uh No. 240 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 2: I've watched The pet I've been watching The Pit and 241 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 2: I love that show. So you're just watching it and 242 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 2: then all of a sudden you see something you've never 243 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 2: want to see. 244 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: They don't give you a warning. They just got to 245 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: like the insides of someone's body. 246 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I wanted to ask you, how does one 247 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 2: come to know that a dream is not right for them? 248 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 2: And then what steps should they take to let it 249 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 2: go and figure out what is the dream? 250 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 3: Well, it became very apparent to me. I mean I 251 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 3: was young. I remember I was sixteen when I went 252 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 3: into college, but said that summer before I was so 253 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 3: anxious to dip my toe into the medical world. And 254 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 3: so my dad had founded that hospital, and he had 255 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 3: been chief of staff at the time that he crashed 256 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 3: and we lost him. But so I got a job 257 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 3: I probably shouldn't have, probably wasn't old enough to be 258 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 3: working there, but they let me, and it just became 259 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 3: very apparent to me that that was not going to 260 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:07,479 Speaker 3: be my path, very apparent, And it was a dilemma 261 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 3: because letting go of that dream kind of in this 262 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 3: weird little way, I mean, my thoughts disconnected me a 263 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 3: little bit from my dad, who I was so young 264 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 3: that I hadn't really gotten a chance to really really 265 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 3: know him. And so then, how then what am I 266 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 3: going to do? So I went into college and I said, 267 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 3: I'll get a psychology degree. That's as close as I 268 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 3: can get to the medical field, which by the way, 269 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 3: probably has served me very well in my life as 270 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 3: a journalist, definitely. But I think there was always this 271 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 3: little nigglaly thing in the back of my head that said, 272 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 3: you didn't live up to that legacy. You wanted to 273 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 3: carry on your dad's legacy, this cancer surgeon back at 274 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 3: a time when there was no chemo, there was no radiation, 275 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 3: there was only surgery. 276 00:14:59,440 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 2: And. 277 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 3: All of that spurred me forward. Because he was born 278 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 3: in Australia, raised in China, came to the US, so 279 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 3: like he wanted me to go out and see the world. 280 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 3: But I really think that the circle became connected when 281 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 3: I was diagnosed with breast cancer, and that it was 282 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 3: not until then. Meanwhile, I stole all the health spots 283 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 3: on GMA, and I did like ten health shows after GMA, 284 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 3: but they weren't on every day, so people don't even 285 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 3: realize that I did another ten shows after GMA. But 286 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 3: it was that breast cancer diagnosis that like within twenty 287 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 3: four hours, I said, Wow, I just got I had 288 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 3: a gift dropped in my lap, and this is going 289 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 3: to be my opportunity to take that torch from my 290 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 3: dad and run with it. And I just in that moment, 291 00:15:58,200 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 3: I said, I'm not going to go through this journey 292 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 3: as a victim as a patient. I'm going to go 293 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 3: through this journey as an advocate, and I'm going to 294 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 3: learn everything I can. I'm going to take that camera 295 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 3: into every single appointment. I'm going to share it so 296 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 3: I can try to make a mark in this world. 297 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 3: Of all the things I could make my mark in, 298 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 3: it would be cancer because that was how my dad 299 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 3: saved lives. And you know how I always wanted to 300 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 3: go out and save lives like him. And I've had 301 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 3: a lot of feedback from women that I probably did 302 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 3: help save lives. You know, when I was constantly saying, 303 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 3: have you had your mammogram? Have you had your mammogram? 304 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 3: And if you did, do you know if you have 305 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 3: dense breast, because if you do, then a mammogram won't 306 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 3: necessarily show your cancer. And all these women have written 307 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 3: back to me on you know, my social media and said, like, 308 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 3: you made me go get that and oh my god, 309 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 3: I found out I have stage two cancer. So you know, 310 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 3: I've said that if on my tombstone that that's the 311 00:16:55,480 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 3: only thing I'm remembered for, that would be okay, because 312 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 3: that's what gave me my opportunity to carry that torch 313 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 3: of my dad's right. 314 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 2: And that became your new dream. 315 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 3: And advocacy, and you know, and by the way, that's 316 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 3: probably what spurred when I started to understand the impact 317 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 3: one can have when they have a platform like you 318 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,239 Speaker 3: do and like I do, and I started seeing all 319 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 3: the feedback, I think that's what then set me off 320 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 3: on just becoming so involved in all the other health 321 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 3: campaigns that I did. Subsequently, going to Congress and testifying 322 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 3: before Congress to you know, include senior care in the 323 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 3: in the Family and Medical Leave Act. It's not just 324 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 3: at the beginning when a baby is born that you 325 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 3: need to leave work and have some time off and 326 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 3: not lose your job. It's at the end of life 327 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 3: where we have to take care of parents or spouses 328 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 3: and we again need the time off and we don't 329 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 3: want to lose our job or be you know, punished 330 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 3: for that. And you know, I was at the FDA 331 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 3: testifying to get mandatory mammogram reporting, and only, as I said, 332 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 3: can I now kind of look at the whole thing 333 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 3: and say, the next twenty five years were not the same. 334 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 3: It wasn't topping, you know, the GMA years, but it 335 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 3: was equal to And like, I'm happy and proud of 336 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 3: the direction I took. But I don't know if I 337 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 3: ever let myself say that's all until I sat down 338 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 3: and decided to Because I sat down eleven years ago 339 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 3: and started writing this book. And then I got breast cancer. 340 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 3: I said, okay, I got to write a book about 341 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 3: breast cancer. And I got so involved, as I say, 342 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 3: on all these health campaigns. Oh, I got to write 343 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 3: a book about women and aging and I wrote, why 344 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 3: did I come into this room? And then I took 345 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 3: this back up and I'm kind of glad that it 346 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 3: happened that way because you know, my publisher who's written 347 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 3: a few books with me, she said, you couldn't have 348 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 3: written this book and made yourself go that deep even 349 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 3: five years ago. Right. 350 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 2: That's the beauty of writing a memoir is really looking 351 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 2: big picture at everything, what got you to where you are, 352 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 2: what you survived, how you handled crisis. Look, it just 353 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 2: makes you appreciate your journey so much more. And then yes, 354 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 2: to share that because it's so inspiring. 355 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 3: You know. It's funny because my husband always says, I've 356 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 3: got this home office and I've got all these pictures 357 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 3: on the wall, and he said, you know, only now 358 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 3: as you're doing this memoir of yours, he said, you've 359 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 3: lived such an extraordinary life. He said, but to you, 360 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 3: it was ordinary. 361 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 1: It just was. 362 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, it just was, and it was it like a 363 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 3: thousand miles an hour ordinary. And he said, this is 364 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 3: really wonderful that you're doing this because it's allowing you 365 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 3: to see that it wasn't an ordinary life my stretch 366 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 3: of the imagination, and it probably even lets you look 367 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 3: at these pictures of you with presidents, and you with garls, 368 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 3: and you with every star imaginable with different eyes, and 369 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 3: He's right. I mean I have a new appreciation. 370 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, because when you're in it, you're surviving it. 371 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 372 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know, you're figuring out how to manage 373 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 2: all this craziness. And then when you step back and 374 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 2: you look at it, you're like, wow, look what I've done. 375 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, and they've all kind of come Jenny. I think 376 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 3: with the chapters, which were kind of defined by age, 377 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 3: you know, because as you get older, you want to 378 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 3: talk to women about whatever it is it's happening to you. 379 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 3: I wrote a book after leaving GMA called The End 380 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 3: of the Road is Not the Bend. A bend in 381 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 3: the road is not the end of the road. And 382 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 3: I was dealing with this huge change. I mean, the 383 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 3: only difference with me is that everybody in the country 384 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 3: knew I was dealing with it. But everybody goes through change, 385 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 3: and they lose a job, lose a relationship or whatever. 386 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 3: They had these shifts in their life and they come 387 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 3: upon us, especially when you don't expect them, is very 388 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 3: scary and very vulnerable. And I definitely wanted to write 389 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 3: not just about all the wonderful things I got to 390 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 3: do in my life, but about how vulnerable I felt 391 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 3: when some of these transitions happened and how I worked 392 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,439 Speaker 3: through it. Because one thing I've learned in the last 393 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 3: twenty five years out speaking all over the country because 394 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 3: it's different. I mean, GMA just kept me busy with 395 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 3: GMA for twenty five years, and I've learned one thing. 396 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 3: It's really important that we share our stories. When you 397 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 3: share your story, your impact acting people in a room, 398 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 3: you're impacting people on a podcast. There are people out 399 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 3: there that are going to say, wow, she went through that, right, 400 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 3: and she felt vulnerable and then somehow in around up 401 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 3: and down, somehow got through it and kept her kept 402 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 3: her mind open to maybe doing something else. And those 403 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 3: are like important little lessons that we learn that if 404 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 3: we're willing to that when we share them, that other 405 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:28,479 Speaker 3: people can kind of grab onto those and have hope 406 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 3: or be motivated. 407 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 2: Right right, Yeah, it's so powerful the power to inspire 408 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 2: other people. Throughout the book, I felt that you grappled 409 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 2: with negative voices, that imposter syndrome that we all sometimes feel, yeah, 410 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 2: you know, and how you manage those unhelpful messages can 411 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 2: really be the difference between getting a job and going 412 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:02,919 Speaker 2: in a totally different direction. And there were several steps 413 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 2: along the way where you thought, I can't do that, 414 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 2: but you did it anyway. 415 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 3: But I have to do it right. I mean, like 416 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 3: the day I got the call, I was at Eyewitness 417 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,199 Speaker 3: News in New York. I was a reporter, and I 418 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 3: was in my news cubby. 419 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 2: This one this day and ariage, Yes, yes, that's a learning. 420 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 1: Picture of you so much. 421 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 3: This is the back cover when you're four years old. 422 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 2: There you said that this was the picture you took 423 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 2: on your first day of. 424 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, like right when I went there, and I didn't 425 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 3: know what I was doing. To be very honest, I'd 426 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 3: never been a reporter back in Sacramento because I started 427 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 3: in the industry at a time when there weren't very 428 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 3: many women, and so I started as a weather girl 429 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 3: because that's how you started back then, and then kind 430 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 3: of became a consumer reporter and went right to anchoring 431 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 3: all on a very short span of time, and then 432 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 3: went to New York and they they wanted me to 433 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 3: be a street reporter, and I was like, okay, so 434 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 3: do you tell them that you don't know how to 435 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 3: do this or do you go ahead and go? 436 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: And also the streets of New York City and. 437 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 3: The streets in New York City no less, and during 438 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 3: that time that if someone's going to take a page 439 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 3: out of the John Lennon playbook, it's this. Whenever anyone 440 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 3: asks if you can do something, just say yes and 441 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 3: then go figure out how to do it. I love that, 442 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 3: and that is how I've lived my life all the 443 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 3: way along the way. And like the day that I 444 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 3: got the call from my agent to tell me that 445 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 3: I got the job at Good Morning America, I was 446 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 3: like half an hour before the six o'clock news with 447 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 3: startings I'm trying to finish my story. I was like, 448 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 3: oh my god, that's awesome. I'll call you up to 449 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 3: the show. And like twenty minutes later, the phone rang again. 450 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,479 Speaker 3: I figured it was him calling back with something, and 451 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 3: it was my kind of collegist congratulations, you're pregnant with 452 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 3: your first baby. Oh my gosh, and like delight, dilemma, 453 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 3: like yes about this. And I don't even know if 454 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 3: I ever really had the thought, to be honest with you, 455 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 3: that I really don't think I ever had the thought 456 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 3: of man, bad timing. This would have been so great, 457 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 3: But now you know, I found out I'm pregnant. Never 458 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 3: occurred to me. I just immediately said, Okay, I'll figure 459 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 3: out how to do it. I'll just figure it out. 460 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, showing the same thing happened to me 461 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,199 Speaker 2: when I got my first opportunity to do comedy on 462 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 2: a show called What I Like About You. I got 463 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 2: the job, the we did the pilot, it got picked up, 464 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,360 Speaker 2: and that same day I found out I was pregnant. 465 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 2: It is so crazy, the parallels. Yeah, so many women's lives. 466 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 2: I just said, and you went ahead and did it, said, 467 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 2: you know what, I'm going to go forward with this 468 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 2: because I want both things. 469 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 3: And that's okay, because I want both things. They're both 470 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 3: so amazing that you do that. You deserve it to 471 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 3: yourself to go ahead and do both. Yep. And that's 472 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 3: not to say that it's not hard. 473 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 2: No, logistically very difficult, Yeah with it, you know. And 474 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 2: I'll just physically and emotionally very difficult. 475 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, to be worth the down to the bone trying 476 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 3: to do both, but so worth it. Yep. 477 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 2: I love this quote from your book. You say I 478 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 2: took a deep breath and told myself. 479 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: Come on, you can do this. 480 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 2: If you've believed in Santa Claus for five years, you 481 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 2: can believe in yourself for five minutes. Yeah, that's a 482 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 2: perfect mantra. 483 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 3: I love quotes. 484 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:34,640 Speaker 2: I know. 485 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 3: I love the love quotes. And this is my eleventh book, 486 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 3: and I've used quotes in every book I've ever written, 487 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 3: and I keep a collection of him. Whenever I find 488 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 3: another one I really like, I put it in my collection. 489 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 3: So when it comes time, I spend so much time 490 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 3: just on and chapter titles. I love chapter titles. And 491 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 3: once I get a chapter title and then I think, okay, 492 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 3: so what is the quote that is going to set 493 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 3: the person up in the right framework, their right mindset 494 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,479 Speaker 3: to have this chapter delivered to them. And I spend 495 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 3: so much time. And then once you come up with 496 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 3: a quote, the editors, the publishing editors, they make you crazy. 497 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 3: No it actually wasn't so, and so who said that? 498 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 3: Go back farther with someone else because they're so afraid 499 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 3: of not giving the proper attribution. And sometimes I'd say, 500 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 3: oh man, this isn't even worth it to keep trying 501 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 3: to dig back. No, it actually is worth it. I 502 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 3: want this quote. 503 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: No, quotes are so inspiring. 504 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 2: Yes, they're like succinct messages that you can wrap your 505 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 2: head around and live your life according. 506 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,439 Speaker 3: To Yeah, short, sweet little things that stay in the 507 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 3: back of your mind and you remember them forever, and 508 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 3: they serve as inspiration. 509 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,400 Speaker 2: It's a pretty good matra for all of us as 510 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 2: we learn to choose ourselves. Oh my gosh, there's so 511 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 2: much we could talk about. I mean literally, I could 512 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 2: talk to you all day. Your book is a generous 513 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 2: four hundred pages of stories about reinvention and success and 514 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 2: challenge and bursting free from imposter syndrome. Joan Life Beyond 515 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 2: the Script is available now wherever books are sold, and 516 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 2: of course you can hear her read the audio book 517 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 2: as well, which I love so much. But before I 518 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 2: let you go, Joan London, what was your last I 519 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 2: Choose me moment? 520 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 3: My last I choose me moment? My last I choose 521 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 3: me moment was probably well, it was probably yesterday when 522 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 3: I chose to go out in the sun and get 523 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 3: a little bit of a tan, even though I don't 524 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 3: I didn't really do that to my dermatologists. 525 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, don't tell that. 526 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 3: I tell you. I'm at that stage of life where 527 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 3: the last I choose me moment was when I decided 528 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 3: I was going to work on a thousand piece jigsaw 529 00:28:55,680 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 3: puzzle and not feel guilty. Oh wait, I love that 530 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 3: so much because I always thought and being lazy. Uh uh. 531 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 3: It's it's almost like a meditation. I don't and I 532 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 3: shouldn't feel guilty. 533 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 2: No, that is genius. Also, it's very good for your brain. 534 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 3: Oh absolutely. So I take a hip hop class at 535 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 3: my gym and this all women, and we all say 536 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 3: the same thing. We are not here because we are 537 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 3: good dancers. We are here so that when he does okay, 538 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 3: now let's add the third, five, six, seven, eight, that 539 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 3: we can think, oh my god, what was the first 540 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,719 Speaker 3: eight count? What was the second eight count? We're all 541 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 3: there for a brain. 542 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: I love that. 543 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 3: That's so good. 544 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: I want that. I want to go to your hip 545 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: hop class. Joan. 546 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, thank you so much for spending time 547 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 2: with me. You are a legend and such an inspiration 548 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 2: to me and so many women. I really appreciate your 549 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 2: time today. 550 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 3: Good luck with the book. 551 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: It's amazing. Everybody you have to read it. 552 00:29:58,720 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 3: Thanks so much, Jenny. 553 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 2: You guys, I'm very excited to share that my book 554 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 2: I Choose Me Chasing Joy, Finding Purpose and Embracing Reinvention 555 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 2: is coming April fourteenth, and it would mean the world 556 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 2: to me if you would pre order a copy or 557 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 2: the audiobook wherever you get your books. And yes, I 558 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 2: am definitely narrating the audiobook, so it's going to be 559 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 2: so fun.